If they have a few missions dedicated to Baptiste joining, I could see Mauga being included
#lore-discussion
terse oar
leaden summit
I have two theories on how Mauga will be in overwatch2
One he becomes a playable character, or he becomes one of the bosses in the overwatch 2 campaign
limpid agate
He will be a hero
leaden summit
Which one you guys think is more likely
limpid agate
They more or less confirmed it already
terse oar
I don’t think any playable hero will be a direct boss
limpid agate
If you want him as a boss, that already exists
Mauga is literally just a Talon Heavy Assault
leaden summit
I would rather have him as a playable hero
raven sluice
Imagine the heavy assault class just being a playable character with no changes
candid sundial
Orisa
raven sluice
Would make the moth meta look like a kids water balloon fight
limpid agate
Mauga has a shield
terse oar
That’s not a Heavy Assault
leaden summit
But do you guys think he might go through a cybernetic construction of his body
Similar with genji
leaden summit
What about the omnic at the end of storm rising?
If he will become a playable hero
terse oar
We don’t have enough information on him to make a well made statement for him yet
He could be a boss or a hero
leaden summit
I think it will be a cool idea to have an evil omnic as a playable hero
limpid agate
!!wiki Hero
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limpid agate
Sigh
Jeff Kaplan says the team has big plans for Mauga and is still interested in making him a playable hero someday
From 2019
When it comes to Heroes, this is basically them confirming he will be a hero
They started doing this with Echo, just saying they will be Heroes rather than be cryptic
And did it again with Sojourn in the same way as Mauga
They also said they had big plans for the Queen
peak escarp
I think it will be a cool idea to have an evil omnic as a playable hero
the Null Sector leader seems like a likely candidate
leaden summit
Is there any more examples of how community wanted hero’s became hero’s in the game?
worthy rose
I don't think so
peak escarp
Doomfist
he either wasn't planned to be playable, or was planned to be later
community request bumped him up
terse oar
I remember them saying that “Doomfist” was meant to just be a throw away name for that cinematic
So I don’t think he was planned at all
worthy rose
Oh
cosmic crest
I don't think they planned the lore out very far early on.
But now they have it set out pretty far in advance.
peak escarp
yeah, they didn't have much of a plan to start
but when the community latched onto the lore, they realized they needed to start taking it seriously
that's why First Strike got tossed
cosmic crest
Ironically
They got rid of a large chunk of lore so they could improve the whole thing.
peak escarp
I still want to see that story though
cosmic crest
Me too
peak escarp
I hope they do tell it eventually
cosmic crest
They should go back and remake it.
leaden summit
We will probably see a lot more of the lore through the campaign
peak escarp
yeah
leaden summit
When would you guys think ow2 will release?
cosmic crest
May 2021 seems likely to me, but we can't say for sure.
leaden summit
Same
terse oar
I say May because the OW2 release would be poetic for the Anniversary, and it would be in time for summer sales
swift mason
You know how you guys still want to see first strike? If they ever make a tv series I could see it being an episode of the in-universe cartoon of overwatch
Like the gang could be rewatching the old holovids and the story of first strike could be an episode they watch
worthy rose
Thats not a bad idea
limpid agate
First Strike is already too different from reality
Just look at Torb or Rein or Liao
undone pawn
opaque tundra
it's a cancelled graphic novel
pseudo thunder
i have a question. Why do loba from apex and sombra are so similar
mexican
robbers
teleporting
trim haven
racist developers, what can i say
pseudo thunder
they should make a crossover
trim haven
mirage just flirts with half the fucking roster LMAO
pseudo thunder
mhm
but i ship him w rampart
like horizon and zarya? same ult
caustic and moira?
evil scientists
lucio and octane?
speed
peak escarp
!!loreonly
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peak escarp
also pretty sure Loba isn't Mexican
limpid agate
@pseudo thunder Loba isn't Mexican, Sombra isn't a robber
limpid agate
Loba is not Mexican. She's mixed Spanish/Portuguese
That's the wrong continent entirely
trim haven
ehhh close enough
worthy rose
Who is Loba?
limpid agate
A character from Apex
worthy rose
Oh I thought it was a OW character i didn't hear about
limpid agate
Not still
trim haven
pseudo thunder
she is mexican
trim haven
spanish/portugese
pseudo thunder
for she wol
they r talking about her name
they say her name is spanish/portugese
limpid agate
Loba is Portuguese for bitch.
trim haven
what
worthy rose
Lol whoever named her that must hate their child
limpid agate
She isn't.
pseudo thunder
portugese*
trim haven
Loba is both portuguese and spanish for she wolf.
She is of portuguese descent.
from the wiki
limpid agate
And this is Overwatch discussiom.
trim haven
now shut up
pseudo thunder
descent
worthy rose
No u Gordon
trim haven
oh shit
peak escarp
it's not a very good connection
trim haven
they're both thieves
trim haven
they both infiltrate places
pseudo thunder
both orphans
pseudo thunder
YES
trim haven
damn
pseudo thunder
her parents died in the omnic war
thats why she hacked
to keep herelf alive
herself*
opaque tundra
Can y'all n't
peak escarp
any similarities are only surface deep and fall apart if you know anything about either character
pseudo thunder
true
limpid agate
You can make the same similarity between Mercy and Loba
pseudo thunder
but its fun matching characters that feel alike
pseudo thunder
moira and caustic
limpid agate
Orphans
pseudo thunder
lucio amd octane
limpid agate
Read the bios
trim haven
is everyone just a fucking orphan in ow lmao
limpid agate
!!loreheroes
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/#story
peak escarp
no
pseudo thunder
almost all are orphans
limpid agate
@pseudo thunder Don't spread misinformation
peak escarp
Baptiste, Mercy and Sombra are the only heroes listed as orphans
limpid agate
Final warning
pseudo thunder
@pseudo thunder Don't spread misinformation
@limpid agate sure. im not spreading it its my theory
but fine
limpid agate
Stating things as fact rather than "I speculate" is not sharing a theory. Its also objectively wrong.
trim haven
yagyu is really about to ban someone for talking about apex in an ow server wtf
worthy rose
@trim haven Yeah this server is strict lol
trim haven
all official servers are strict
worthy rose
True
trim haven
apex's server is even stricter
limpid agate
I will ban for misinformation
pseudo thunder
just kick me
trim haven
BRUH
pseudo thunder
ban me whatever
pseudo thunder
i just tried to have fun
trim haven
calm down
proud pike
What is going on?
pseudo thunder
idk
proud pike
peak escarp
we know about the families of several heroes
peak escarp
Baptiste, Mercy and Sombra are specifically called out as orphans
Brigitte and Pharah have a parent as a playable hero
Lucio's father was mentioned (unknown if he's alive or not)
pseudo thunder
lucios dad worked for vishkar right?
limpid agate
It's suggested he is dead, but that's recent history
peak escarp
Ashe's parents were absentee/neglectful
hushed jetty
i assume he's dead, based on his interactions it seems kinda implied
peak escarp
I thought so, but they added another interaction recently that makes me doubt that
hushed jetty
weird how blizzard exists canonically in a blizzard game
trim haven
blizzardception
pseudo thunder
cause their mother is not talked about
peak escarp
Lucio has an interaction with Torbjorn:
pseudo thunder
and father dead
peak escarp
pseudo thunder
awwww
peak escarp
Lucio seems to speak of his father in present tense, implying that he's still alive
hushed jetty
well he says "would"
that could mean either dead or alive imo
peak escarp
"you two would get along great" rather than "you two would have gotten along"
limpid agate
Hero of Numbani spoke of him in past tense
pseudo thunder
they have a few interactions
limpid agate
But I'll trust Blizzards writers over the novel's
peak escarp
“It was, but you know, my dad designed sonic tech to make the world a better place. When I took it back and used it to rally our people, I was fulfilling the promise my dad had made to them. In the end, I don’t think my dad would have regretted what he created.”
hmm
trim haven
im thinking he's dead
limpid agate
I'll just say it's unknown
peak escarp
yeah, it's inconclusive
worthy rose
Eh I'll say hes dead
pseudo thunder
ill say unknown
peak escarp
it's safe to assume the older heroes' parents probably aren't alive anymore, but once you're an adult you're not considered an orphan if your parents die
peak escarp
Doomfist's family runs a prosthetic company
peak escarp
But when he lost his right arm in the aftermath of the Omnic Crisis, it seemed his martial arts career was finished before he had reached his prime. His company's cybernetic prosthetics allowed him to recover from his injuries, even making him stronger, but these enhancements rendered him ineligible for competition.
pseudo thunder
ohhh
peak escarp
Symmetra was taken from her family, so they're as good as dead
muted lark
why in Overwatch 2 Tracer have a new chronal accelerator ?
pseudo thunder
maybe
peak escarp
that was 6 years before Recall
muted lark
oh lol
pseudo thunder
does anyone else hate when their ps plus runs out
muted lark
1 year ago, i was fucking mad
limpid agate
!!loreonly
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proud pike
Mercy
proud pike
Nope
worthy rose
u couldnt give me the moment
limpid agate
Genji did not come back to life
He wasn't dead to begin with.
He was dying, and Mercy saved his life.
proud pike
Yes
limpid agate
He is a cybrog now
worthy rose
he is yes something right
worthy rose
oh
limpid agate
She only recently started using the Biotic Rifle.
worthy rose
i really have to look back
raven sluice
So bastion is with torbjorn correct?
terse oar
Yes
raven sluice
Any info on what he will be doing in ow2
raven sluice
Yeah
Ok, so I could be stupid, but what is doomfist opinion on omnics
Most characters that have a distaste for omnics vocalize it
Like reaper, junk rat, zarya, torb
raven sluice
Ok
valid terrace
He sees them as a stepping stone for humanity
But he doesn't have any problems with them
He even has Max as one of Talon's most trusted
cerulean ice
i dont think he has any strong opinions about omnics other than being a thing for his ideology
He sees them as a stepping stone for humanity
or this
terse oar
He sees the omnics themselves as normal, but he thinks the conflict between omnics and humans is evolving to humanity
supple badge
Reaper doesn't have a distaste for Omnics I think
terse oar
He doesn’t, or at least he hasn’t said anything
supple badge
His voicelines when he kills Omnics are generic insults towards robots and how he killed hundreds of Bastions during the crisis
strange roost
hey im new whats up
rain star
lore
terse oar
He doesn’t really have a need to hate them other than the crisis. Even then, it wasn’t as bad as Russia or Australia
supple badge
The Australian people were jaded at the fact the Omnics forced them out of their homes after the crisis
terse oar
Yeah
supple badge
Thats how the ALF started
terse oar
I’m aware
supple badge
Russia had a brief respite
But to be fair the "peace" was so short the first crisis never ended for them imo
iron plume
Where are you getting that from?
Their omnium was shut down around the same time as Overwatch did the others and was reactivated fairly recently
That puts their peace at around 15-20 years
It's not long but it's not nearly "might as well be the same crisis" territory
peak escarp
that's like saying WWI and WWII were the same war
they were only about 20 years apart
trim shore
who has the best overwatch story
peak escarp
what do you mean?
trim shore
who has the best backstory like from the shorts
peak escarp
I really like Mei's
trim shore
i like ana's
iron plume
out of the ones who have a video, I like Sombra’s
In general, Mercy’s
trim shore
sombra's was amazing
peak escarp
I wish we got origin trailers for everyone
it would really fill the gaps for some heroes
peak escarp
even just seeing that information told in visual format would give us more
there's a lot of visual storytelling in those origins
for example - Ashe's trailer indicates she grew up in Texas, but that isn't said anywhere in her bio
the artwork gives as much information as the narration
cosmic crest
Tracer's was basically just an exposition dump with some admittedly nice art.
Besides that one, they've all been very stylised
peak escarp
it's nice hearing them tell their own stories
because we get to see their perspective on what happened
Moira's origin shows that she feels like she was wronged, that Overwatch was trying to stifle science
but her experiments probably were actually dangerous and worthy of being shut down
Sombra's origin shows how paranoid she is and how she gets spooked when someone/something finds her
even if that something might not be what she thinks it is
raven sluice
How the hell is ana still good in combat?
peak escarp
she's a military veteran
raven sluice
Not only is she like 60 years old, and doesn’t have the same super juice soldier and reaper have
But she lost a fucking eye
AN EYE
AS A SNIPER
peak escarp
just shows how good of a sniper she is
raven sluice
That’s a massive amount of depth perception you just lost
Bullshit
Yeah she’s good, but an EYE???
proud pike
''Old soldiers are hard to kill''
peak escarp
the eye was already replaced with a cybernetic one
raven sluice
Was it really?
cosmic crest
Don't you only use one eye to look through a scope?
peak escarp
yes
peak escarp
hang on
raven sluice
Or maybe it doesn’t and I’m just a lazy ass
peak escarp
proud pike
But what about this Ana/Mercy interaction about her eye?
peak escarp
when Widowmaker shot Ana, the bullet hit Ana's scope and the shrapnel hit Ana's cybernetic eye
symbolically and literally ending her career as a sniper
but the cybernetic eye saved her life
without it, the shrapnel probably would have killed her
peak escarp
raven sluice
Damn, that bullet hit harder than Johnny Depps girlfriend
peak escarp
Janina Kowalska is the Polish equivalent of Jane Doe
Ana had amnesia and didn't remember who she was
I was. I had no name to give them, so they called me, ‘Janina
Kowalski,’ your Jane Doe. For months, I sat in that hospital
room in pain and confusion. Dr. Lee told me I was lucky.
Well, as lucky as you can be after having glass and shrapnel
embedded in your skull.” Ana felt the phantom pain of her eye
even as she recounted the experience.```
desert yarrow
ah ok
pulsar thunder
Are there any Jewish characters in overwatch
peak escarp
not that we know of
astral kite
After the interaction with Mercy and Ana about repairing Ana's, Ana says "It sets a good reminder" or something, what does that actually mean?
peak escarp
reminds her that her hesitation cost her her friends, her family, her career . . .
she hesitated to kill Widowmaker because Ana recognized her, and that gave Widowmaker the opening to take the shot
raven sluice
So was amelie an agent of overwatch before her brainwashing?
peak escarp
she was married to Gerard Lacroix, who was the head of Overwatch's anti-Talon team
raven sluice
Was black watch anti talon?
raven sluice
Ah
I wish hammond had more lore
All we know is that he’s a maybe violent big brain hamster
peak escarp
maybe violent?
raven sluice
Fighting bots in the scrapyard and what not
Also, I’m surprised the queen of junkertown doesn’t have a line for hammond
Something like “Always happy to have a champion back in town”
peak escarp
she does
cerulean ice
she does
raven sluice
She does
cerulean ice
and that
raven sluice
What is it
cerulean ice
what u said
raven sluice
Like, word for word?
cerulean ice
gusty sluice
what happened to the ex-soviet countries( countries besides russia) during the omnic crisis?
are they as heavily affected as russia during that time?
peak escarp
we don't know
terse oar
Also, I’m surprised the queen of junkertown doesn’t have a line for hammond
She says “The champion has returned!”
limpid agate
One thing worth noting for countries is
D.Va is from specifically South Korea
Not Korea
So North Korea still exists
limpid agate
Its not really important
cerulean ice
an insight atleast
peak escarp
I doubt it will ever be mentioned
rain star
well we can hope
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
limpid agate
@dreamy trail This is not a place for fanfiction
cosmic crest
North Korea is a bit of a political minefield. I don't think they should/want to mention it.
worthy rose
ok idk if this counts as lore but how tall is reaper?
proud pike
1.85 m / 6'1
proud pike
i wanna do blizzcon cosplay when im outta the house
@worthy rose good idea, but its #overwatch channel, not #lore-discussion
worthy rose
ah ok thank you
proud pike
raven sluice
Hey was it confirmed what the kids relationship to torb in the reflections comic were?
swift mason
I think they were his grandkids, brig is the youngest of her siblings so it must be assumed that her siblings have children of their own
rain star
i think it's really funny and sad how torbjorn loves his turret more than his daughter, i mean he has an upset voiceline everytime his TURRET dies but when brig dies he's like "eh"
stone lichen
I mean they have sprays of the two of them being together so i think he loves brig
You may be right @worthy rose but in lore brig is so sweet and just wants to protect her friends
worthy rose
Nah she's working under the weakling Reinhardt whose lust for glory led to his master's death.She is a fool to think its an honor to fight with such a dumb buffoon
iron plume
Torbjorn shouts it out in game because it's a clear indicator that the turret is down
You don't need more people shouting about a hero dying
stone lichen
I mean you're valid to your opinion but I think rein has a lot of heart and feels very upset about what happened to his fellow crusader
I think he's learned a lot since he was younger
iron plume
He has
it's almost like that's the entire point of that short
rain star
@iron plume thats true, its just kinda sad. if i was in brigs position, i'd probably be telling torb MACE TO THE FACE
worthy rose
Yes perhaps his penance is to live with the regret of his idiotic mistakes
iron plume
Regret is kind of a running theme with many of the old Overwatch heroes
rain star
yes'
stone lichen
Yeah that along with tolerance with the omnics
dreamy trail
@dreamy trail This is not a place for fanfiction
@limpid agate what tf is fan fiction
steep plover
Wired nonce
terse oar
Stories made by fans of the game that aren’t true @dreamy trail
steep plover
Yeah @dreamy trail you fucking idiot nonce
dreamy trail
Yeah @dreamy trail you fucking idiot nonce
@steep plover fight me you donkey
steep plover
Drop dead @dreamy trail
dreamy trail
Drop dead @dreamy trail
@steep plover
steep plover
@dreamy trail fool
dreamy trail
worthy rose
Get that disgusting Bridgette out of my eyes!
peak escarp
chill dude
worthy rose
But that pic is just...ew
rain star
golden escarp
Just got my first exotic
terse oar
Wrong channel
golden escarp
yep, sorry
raven sluice
So what’s the big deal with mondattas death?
He’s a robot
Just rebuild him 4heads
However, I would like to push forward a theory
Unless there is something about it I don’t know
@peak escarp you usually shut me down and answer my questions a lot. Do you have an answer?
terse oar
Well one part of the answer is that it’s for symbolic story telling. I imagine it’s also not as simple to rebuild an omnic as we think
raven sluice
My theory was that the shambali take a mortality oath
Let me explain
Robots can be rebuilt and healed
However, you can’t hurt a soul
At least not physically
So they take a mortality oath to push forward the idea that they can have souls
The oath basically says they can’t be rebuilt
That’s my only theory though
limpid agate
@raven sluice If it were possible to just rebuild Mondatta after that shot, they would
But they don't
So it's probably not possible
The only omnic who died we saw get rebuilt is Orisa. And the omnic Orisa was when she died is still dead.
lilac furnace
It may be something similar to an AI that adapted a personality and they don't have the technology to transfer it.
Also if they could just transfer the personality from one omnic to another then it'd be too easy and they wouldn't have Talon or someone similar assassinate them.
peak escarp
yeah, pretty much what everyone else said
it's not possible and/or the Shambali don't want to
iron plume
It's likely that for some reason it's impossible to "back up" an omnic fully
we almost certainly won't get a 'scientific' explanation because that's not the kind of sci fi overwatch is, but there are theories
terse oar
I doubt it’s possible, but if it were it’d probably be considered unethical
astral coral
Why does road hog wear a gas mask?
limpid agate
He has trouble breathing.
astral coral
So he needs a gas mask for that?
limpid agate
A gas mask filters the air
He also consumes compressed hogdrogen to help counteract his radiation sickness.
astral coral
Do you think there's like ashes in the air from the collision of all the omnics and everything so a gas mask is more important than just a normal mask?
limpid agate
The outback is irridated. So it would be less ashes and more radioactive air.
cosmic crest
None of the other Junkers seem to wear gas masks.
It could be a personal condition of his. Or maybe the others simply aren't smart enough to take the precaution.
astral coral
He has trouble breathing.
Idk about you guys but I think sigma has the coolest backstory
cosmic crest
Yes, he is very interesting.
limpid agate
Normally I would say that its the personal condition
But after seeing the reality of our current world and masks, its probably apathy or disdain.
astral coral
I would think the radiation would cause roadhog to mutate. That might be why he's fat
limpid agate
While it is science fiction, its not that kind of science fiction.
No one else has any visible mutations
And neither does Roadhog
cosmic crest
I think mutation due to radiation poisoning is a thing in real life but it's nothing as extreme as giving you super powers or the like.
It mainly just gives you cancer.
iron plume
I mean
he was involved in the explosion
which means he probably took a beating
It may be less that the air quality is still bad and more that his lungs are fucked
raven sluice
I kinda like my theory
It’s the only ow theory I’ve developed, except for the one I don’t talk about
limpid agate
What theory
peak escarp
Junkrat . . . balls?
limpid agate
Yeah that is a shitpost theory.
Junkrat is not a lizard
And his bombs are made from cricket balls
zenith prawn
Does Orisa canonically have weapons?
primal pier
Umm.. why did sombra get the thing put into her back?
cerulean ice
enhancements?
zenith prawn
A support brace to prevent the lumbar lordosis which results from talon's physical enhancements?
Okay, jokes aside, in universe it's probably some kind of enhancement. Out of universe, "because it looks cool and cyberpunk-y". Almost reminds me of the exoskeleton from Elysium.
proud pike
Ehh... What?
zenith prawn
The first part was a joke about Widowmaker
limpid agate
@primal pier For a serious answer, its her computer.
cosmic crest
Sombra got cybernetic implants into her brain and spinal cord so she can directly access information and data. It's likely linked to her hacking ability too, although she could do that before she became a cyborg.
limpid agate
She upgraded her computer into her own body because her previous computer was not secure enough.
Someone saw her, she panicked, and upgraded her computer into herself.
cosmic crest
Not gonna lie, Sombra is a cooler cyborg than Genji.
proud pike
Agree
but for Genji, this was a vital necessity, and for Sombra, it was just an extension of her hacking capabilities
zenith prawn
Worst possible speculation: Sombra's computer runs on a turbine powered by cerebrospinal fluid
primal pier
Oh ok, thank you!
valid terrace
liquid cooled
raven sluice
Is the ability reaper uses in infiltration shadow step or wrath form
Because an argument could be made for both
worthy rose
Wraith form I believe
raven sluice
Thought so
lament prawn
shadow step and wraith form are made to act in very specific ways for gameplay reasons
in the lore they're kinda the same thing
just him turning into smoke
raven sluice
Are interactions canon?
terse oar
The interactions themselves aren’t, but they still represent the characters and what they know
raven sluice
Then zen can understand hamster
terse oar
As said before in this channel, “think of the interactions like playing with action figures”
raven sluice
If they represent what the characters know, zen can understand hamster
peak escarp
why?
terse oar
Only Winston can though
raven sluice
There is a zen hammond interaction
terse oar
Lol
peak escarp
just to humor them?
raven sluice
I suppose that’s another answer
peak escarp
it's more likely than Zenyatta understanding hamster squeaks
raven sluice
But I don’t think zen is the type of... omnic to do that
peak escarp
Zenyatta is a silly character
terse oar
Zenyatta is more than just “peace and meditation” as it seems
raven sluice
Also he’s a robot and this is far into the future
peak escarp
he might play the part of a serious, wise monk, but he's got a playful side
raven sluice
Do he could probably understand hamster
terse oar
That would mean people could translate it then
raven sluice
@peak escarp I’m trying to play with what little zen lore there is man
peak escarp
for example, his Taunt emote
terse oar
People can not translate Hammond’s squeaks. The mech has to
raven sluice
Zen isn’t a person
terse oar
But he was built by people
raven sluice
Fair
peak escarp
omnics are people
terse oar
He has a soul
raven sluice
I agree that he has a soul, but that’s doesnt make him a person
It’s the “there’s only two genders argument”
peak escarp
you don't have to be human to be a person
raven sluice
Until someone on the writing team explicitly says otherwise, I’m going to choose to believe that zen can understand hamster because to me that’s fucking hilarious
peak escarp
for a long time, POC and women weren't even considered people
terse oar
Slaves in America were considered 3/5 a person as well
raven sluice
If it’s deconfirmed and zen was just fucking with him
Then I’ll conceded and be really fucking sad
I do see your point
Though
Whaaaa
terse oar
!!shitposting
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wraith furnace
it wasnt shitposting
raven sluice
What?
wraith furnace
forget it
raven sluice
I will
storm horizon
So where do you guys think Freddy fazbear fits into the lore
terse oar
No where
muted lark
Sombra is Purple guy
limpid agate
!!shitposting @storm horizon
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proud pike
Stop it, please
wraith furnace
No offense but
it's just a meaningless joke comment
i don't think it should warrant a warning
limpid agate
Final warning
muted lark
its funny
wraith furnace
wait
so i looked in overwatch discussion
and people are complaing about/getting warned for making a joke
young knoll
that is not relevant to this channel regardless
young knoll
complaining about ow discussion is not relevant to this channel
proud pike
if you are not going to discuss lore, then you are welcome to leave this channel, you have already been given a post-warning.
limpid agate
Take it to general discussion
Or off of this server.
#overwatch is also not a meme channel @proud pike
proud pike
#overwatch is also not a meme channel @proud pike
@limpid agate I mean OD is not [Serious] channel
muted lark
wait Overwatch is serious
peak escarp
yes
wraith furnace
yes
@peak escarp teamchat is the least serious thing i will ever see
muted lark
how its serious when Soldier :76 do push up on Reaper body
worthy rose
Soldier 76 doing push ups on Reaper?What?
peak escarp
ignore it
storm horizon
grr you said Freddy fazbear 🤬🤬🤬
wraith furnace
grrrrrrrrr
peak escarp
we've moved on
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
peak escarp
issue #3 of London Calling might be out tomorrow, any thoughts?
terse oar
Oooo 
peak escarp
either tomorrow or next week, I think
terse oar
My guess is it’ll cover an argument between Tracer and Iggy about Mondatta’s death and the bullet
proud pike
tbh this conflict is not clear to me. it's just meaningless! Tracer was flying backwards - she couldn't know where the bullet would hit.
peak escarp
knowing how arguments are usually drawn out for dramatic effect by not having anyone actually talk to each other, I don't think Iggy and Tracer will talk it out until issue #5
until then, the misunderstanding will continue to ruin their friendship
terse oar
If they do draw it out, I assume an omnic revolt will start soon
peak escarp
Kace will use it as an excuse to start trouble
worthy rose
@proud pike I agree Iggy is a gigantic buffoon who doesn't know reason
Still Im excited for tommorows issue
swift mason
I hope winston gets involved somehow in the next issue
Mostly because since tracer's chronal accelerator is damaged and winston is supposedly the only one capable of repairing it, so I guess he could either send parts to her via packages or actually physically show up in Kings row (which is probably unlikely)
peak escarp
yeah
worthy rose
Out of the conversation but answering kinda yesterday question, I don't think an omnic from the shambali could be rebuilded that easily, I guess bc the memories and that stuff
worthy rose
yes
worthy rose
I guess
iron plume
We have evidence for memories being kept after "death" in omnics
since Orisa remembers what happened to 'her' as the OR-15
But personality is likely different
worthy rose
I mean, he could remember his past but he wouldn't have be "illuminated"
cerulean ice
is there a line that suggests this?
worthy rose
idk
worthy rose
I remember it has a voiceline with
Someone... in which orisa says it could learn from the past
iron plume
There's one with Genji, where she talks about constantly learning
But that one doesn't refer to her pre-Orisa past explicitly
worthy rose
Well but, past is past no matter the time
iron plume
My pet theory is that Omnics are based on quantum computing that requires constant uptime
And any attempt to make a copy of the personality for backup/restoration only captures a snapshot of one state rather than the multitude they actually have
loud wolf
was issue #2 of london calling out?
peak escarp
#3 will probably be next week
opaque tundra
Im pretty sure #3 is coming out this saturday, since the last two came out on the 14th
peak escarp
they don't typically release comics on saturdays
limpid agate
It will probably drop in the 18th
raven sluice
So while playing overwatch, I heard the lucio Genji interaction, the version where Genji says “That’s not what they are for”
So what are they for?
My guess is that they are a release for the energy of dragon blade
peak escarp
in the Dragons short he seems to have ports that vent exhaust
but Lucio is talking about the lights on his body
which seem to just be for decoration
terse oar
It could be to make him seem less like a normal omnic so people don’t get confused
Or he asked for them, idk
raven sluice
Speaking of dragons, how are they gonna explain the removal of scatter arrow?
Because it’s canon and storm arrow is not
terse oar
Well we don’t know Storm Arrow isn’t
terse oar
My guess, if they try to remove it, is that he simply ran out
peak escarp
he probably has other types of arrows not in the game, like Hawkeye or Green Arrow
Definitely open to making references to gameplay mechanic changes in the story, but it really depends on the example. I still believe that Hanzo’s carrying that scatter arrow around in his quiver though!
cosmic crest
Heroes are not anchored to their kits in universe.
worthy rose
guys i wish zen had more lore
peak escarp
don't we all
limpid agate
!!zenlore
twilit nacelleBOT
Zenyatta will be featured in Overwatch 2. He is in India for a currently unknown reason.
peak escarp
this isn't the place for socializing
pulsar thunder
So we have had to wait 4 years for zen law
When he has one of the most mysterious backgrounds
As a magic monk and as genjis teacher
Wtf
worthy rose
peak escarp
he's not magic
and he's not important to the story
when he becomes important, we'll get more info on him
peak escarp
cars float
that's electromagnetism
there's a lot of things in Overwatch that float
zenith prawn
You’d need a pretty powerful electromagnet to float on the Earth’s magnetic field.
I call BS on this particular explanation. Personally, “he floats because technology” is entirely sufficient.
peak escarp
fine then
pulsar thunder
Lol
peak escarp
he floats because technology
peak escarp
cars in Overwatch float with electromagnetic levitation
zenith prawn
Six, sorry if that came out as argumentative, it had a more playful tone on my head
pulsar thunder
If technology is good
peak escarp
I don't see why a single robot hovering would he harder than a several-ton car
zenith prawn
Well cause the roads have magnets in them, presumably
peak escarp
technology is going to be the answer for everything, I was just offering a specific technology to use as an explanation
blazing mason
Oh hi
peak escarp
Shimada dragons? technology
Mercy's healing? technology
Zenyatta floating? technology
pulsar thunder
How does reaper work
zenith prawn
Aren’t a lot of the hover cars depicted as having thrusters of some kind?
peak escarp
Reaper decomposes into a cloud of cells and then regenerates into a person
because technology
zenith prawn
That’s actually a lot more disgusting now that I think about it
Like do his bodily fluids become mist?
peak escarp
best not to think about the details
zenith prawn
And y’all thought my cerebrospinal fluid turbine joke was gross
(Explanation for why Sombra’s computer has to be mounted on her spine, it’s powered by a turbine running on CSF)
peak escarp
Sombra's computer is implanted in her spine so it can connect to her nervous system
and it's the easiest/most convenient place to implant a large device
pulsar thunder
How does she hack soldiers legs
peak escarp
gameplay
peak escarp
she wouldn't be able to hack his legs realistically
there's no computer there to hack
zenith prawn
I’ve heard it suggested that the SEP used some kind of nanotechnology to enable faster running and she’s hacking that
Like maybe she can make it cause lactic acid production to speed up
peak escarp
the SEP used gene therapy
zenith prawn
Oh ok
peak escarp
he's just a peak genetic specimen
pulsar thunder
Zen should walk when he gets hacked
peak escarp
capable of superhuman abilities, like faster running, higher strength, accelerated healing, etc
pulsar thunder
What is soldiers healing station
zenith prawn
“Nanotechnology” right?
peak escarp
nanobiotics
same as Mercy's healing tech
and Ana's and Moira's and Baptiste's, since they're all derived from Mercy's healing tech
zenith prawn
Yeah that
peak escarp
the only healing that doesn't come from Mercy's tech is Zenyatta's
and we don't know how it works
peak escarp
even in universe, how it works is unknown
peak escarp
pulsar thunder
To a bastion
peak escarp
pulsar thunder
I do not understand much of how he heals
peak escarp
my theory is that it's psychological healing
aka Zenyatta is just a really good therapist
since the only healing he's done in canon was to "heal" Genji's body dysmorphia
peak escarp
but his orbs do use omnic energy, so maybe that has some healing properties?
pulsar thunder
I wonder if psychological healing is actually possible
blazing mason
My batteltag is 이풍원 남편 6647
blazing mason
Im korean person
peak escarp
!!loreonly
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blazing mason
I can't speak korean
peak escarp
wrong channel
pulsar thunder
Yeah but physical wounds
If someone could trick the cells to divide faster
Although that may cause cancer
peak escarp
I don't think therapy would heal physical injuries
muted lark
Zen have ball
peak escarp
it doesn't
gameplay isn't canon
Lucio, Brigitte and Moira can't heal physical wounds either
swift mason
Lucio’s music mostly energises people to keep moving, instead of actually giving heals
peak escarp
exactly
cosmic crest
Moira?
The others I get, but not her.
Her tech is based around biotic technology.
peak escarp
but yeah, Moira uses Mercy's tech to heal
Brigitte just has first aid and really impassionate speeches
cosmic crest
I don't think any hero can heal without tech can they?
peak escarp
well
depends what counts as "tech"
I wasn't counting modern medicine/medical skill as tech
but no, none of them can heal without tools or technology
if I was injured, the only ones I'd want treating me would be Mercy and Baptiste
maybe Brigitte if she was the only option
swift mason
Was baptiste a field medic with talon? Or was that just for the Caribbean coalition and after he left talon
peak escarp
I think both
The Caribbean Coalition, a pan-island force formed in response to the Crisis, became his new home. Guided by his innate desire to help people, Baptiste chose the path of a combat medic and served in an elite branch of the Caribbean Coalition’s special ops.
hmm, it doesn't say he was a medic in Talon
lament prawn
they probably just wanted to stay true to his talon skin and in-game weapon, but his gun does have the underbarrel launcher here
spare pilot
FORTNITE 
swift mason
Dude I wouldn't shitpost here if I were you, this is for serious discussion about overwatch lore
terse oar
I’m pretty sure Baptiste was a medic in Talon
Mauga said something about it didn’t he?
frosty shell
He was
peak escarp
Mauga is the toxic tank who demands the healers pocket him
golden jasper
Out of curiosity, how would a Heavy Assault (Mauga) work as a playable character?
terse oar
Obviously, he’d have differences from the Heavy Assaults
golden jasper
Iirc he had an energy shield in the story right?
terse oar
Yes, he has a barrier
Granted, with recent changes in Barrier philosophy, that can change
golden jasper
Wait, what recent changes in barrier philosophy?
terse oar
They said a little bit ago how they’re going to try to add different forms of protection
Since people complained about barriers
(This was around the time the huge barrier nerfs went through)
peak escarp
they did blow him up at the end of the story
so that gives Blizzard carte blanche to rework his abilities to be different from the story as they see fit
although I do hope he gets the swipe move that the Heavy has
peak escarp
yeah
golden jasper
Huh. All I could think of are either damage reduction abilities, the barriers Zarya has, Defense Matrix or what Sigma has, not sure what else they can do.
peak escarp
they've got some creative game devs on the team, I'm sure they'll think of something
limpid agate
He will probably have a charge that behaves differently
Or I guess he could not have it too
Widow doesn't have a pistol
Baptiste doesn't have a combat roll
golden jasper
@peak escarp Pfft, we all know that unless we see his body, he's obviously still alive. Hope they would still have the dual miniguns at least.
peak escarp
we know he's still alive because Jeff said they have plans for him
and dead people don't come back to life
golden jasper
You're right, was just making a joke since Jack and Gabe were supposedly in the HQ explosion, but are still alive. Although I can see Mauga having some cybernetics due to the explosion.
peak escarp
maybe
limpid agate
If we they aren't said to be dead, they aren't dead.
Baptiste himself even speculates that Mauga survived since he just disappeared in WYLB.
Mauga is very much alive
peak escarp
I don't think Blizzard could afford Dwayne Johnson
cerulean ice
same
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
peak escarp
whoever they get to voice Mauga, they'll probably be samoan or tongan or some other pacific islander culture (whatever Mauga ends up being)
they've been doing a good job matching the voices to the heroes' ethnicities
proud pike
offtop, but what do you think of the Queen of Junkertown? Are there any chances to see her as a hero?
young knoll
the way she has been mentioned, they seem likely to make her eventually
peak escarp
not sure if we'll see her as a hero
but we'll definitely see her in the story eventually
terse oar
She’s just anticipated, but we don’t have a definitive statement
peak escarp
Jeff said they have "big plans" for her
terse oar
She’ll most likely be a post OW2 hero
midnight shoal
Wow. That'd mean there would be 4 Junkertown characters.
peak escarp
that would be a lot
terse oar
That would be a lot for a smaller faction, but I think the Junkers have the biggest room for variety in terms of heroes
lament prawn
i think false trajectory meant adding junker queen would leave us with 4 junkertown heroes, but i wouldnt class hammond as one of them
he’s the champion and and its a big part of his origin, but he’s not a proper junker and he left junkertown already
peak escarp
he's still associated with them
swift mason
Hammond is just travelling around the world right?
swift mason
What if in one of the story missions the gang encounter him fighting off null sector
And Winston has a small reunion
But I doubt it
cerulean ice
he could just reunite with winston or wonder off the world again
lament prawn
believe me when i say i would pay double the price of OW2 if i got to see hammond in a mission with cutscenes and all, i just really dont think he’ll make an appearance unfortunately
at least not at launch
maybe in a post-launch side arc
swift mason
Well ow2 might be bigger than we think
So anything is possible
Well not really
But still
midnight shoal
Is the plot of OW2 going to be the reformed team traveling around the world fighting Talon, Null Sector and other rouge omnics?
lament prawn
looks like the main big bad is null sector, with some talon on the side since they’re working together
swift mason
Of what we know so far, basically yes
lament prawn
but that seems to be the first arc, there will likely be updates with more arcs and different factions over time
midnight shoal
Kind of like how Lucio was brought into the fold
swift mason
Yeah, lucio believes that the people should be free, so it makes sense for him to join up with ow
I’m curious on how the actual end cutscene for the rio mission is going to play out
Since the one at blizzcon was more of a placeholder
peak escarp
he's a toss up
we haven't seen enough of him to get a read on whether he'd have any combat skills
swift mason
I don’t really see him being a hero, like maximillen
peak escarp
but it would be nice to have more Vishkar in the game
proud pike
I don't quite understand the relationship between Lucio and Symmetra
what happened to them and why do they dislike each other?
peak escarp
they're on opposite sides of a conflict
they probably haven't actually met
but Lucio opposes Vishkar, and Symmetra supports Vishkar
therefore they're enemies
cerulean ice
^
proud pike
Didn't Symmetra think about leaving Vishkar?
cerulean ice
where was that mentioned
peak escarp
what we saw in A Better World planted the seed of doubt in her mind, but so far we haven't seen her act on it
I really want them to explore her turmoil
cerulean ice
shes always been trying to convince herself that vishkar is doing the right thing