How has it taken so long
#lore-discussion
raven sluice
worthy rose
As I said the writing team sucks
terse oar
Either:
- the story is slow
- Talon is biding their time (aka, the story is slow)
raven sluice
But let’s strip the story and think about it
What the fuck are you doing talon?
Also, invest in another healer, you quickplay fucks
worthy rose
Whatever it is blame Doomfist for his incompetence
limpid agate
@worthy rose What are you talking about?
@raven sluice You too.
I don't understand your point.
cosmic crest
All of Talons work that we have seen has taken place over the span of a year. They have been making rapid progress I'd say.
As I said the writing team sucks
@worthy rose then why are you here, in lore discussion?
wicked geode
Also, invest in another healer, you quickplay fucks
@raven sluice you dare to imply Moira isn’t enough healing?
wicked geode
She’s gonna confíscate your cell privileges if you keep talking like that man
twilit nacelleBOT
Zenyatta will be featured in Overwatch 2. He is in India for a currently unknown reason.
cunning dagger
I’ve always wondered how half the heroes aren’t even in overwatch but are in overwatch
limpid agate
The game is about the universe.
The organization is just the most important part of it
cunning dagger
I always assumed zenyatta was fed up with being peaceful and joined out of spite
cunning dagger
he’s in Overwatch but not in overwatch 
limpid agate
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
cunning dagger
?
limpid agate
For the whole "haha I meant Overwatch the game not Overwatch the group" thing here.
Mostly at Theorius, unless it was your intent too
In which case, yes, both of you.
cerulean ice
try not to mess around while a mod is present.
terse oar
This is a more serious channel compared to the others
raven sluice
Kinda hate that this is a more serious channel
Especially since the lore has more holes in it than a cheese grater
It would be fun to just joke about lore and say funny stuff
raven sluice
Unless is stupid shit posting, like my junk rat balls “theory” it shouldn’t be a problem
Like, yeah, that jokes was gross. It was kinda funny, but gross
worthy rose
Oh god the Junkrat balls theory....wtf
raven sluice
But just joking about the difference between overwatch the universe and the organization should not warrant a shit post warning
cerulean ice
theres really no point to tell them how they mod
raven sluice
Yeah, I guess
cerulean ice
keep your jokes to a minimum, we wanna discuss about the lore here
raven sluice
Ok
limpid agate
Especially since the lore has more holes in it than a cheese grater
@raven sluice Then discuss it
Rather than make shitty memes.
raven sluice
Cant one do both?
limpid agate
No.
terse oar
The lore definitely does have quite a few holes, but the universe is so big and story has come out rather slow that I find it reasonable
Gameplay is the priority, so they’re not going to spend all their time on the smaller details
cerulean ice
thats the problem ig, since they throw around random plot points
i hope itll be fleshed out entirely with the release of ow2 and onward
terse oar
Definitely not entirely
Sometimes holes are good in a story though, since it keeps people guessing
peak escarp
a lot of "holes" are either misconceptions held by the community or things intentionally not answered to build suspense, etc.
terse oar
I was thinking of Junkrats treasure in this instance, so yes
cerulean ice
but at some point, itll be answered
peak escarp
things intentionally not answered to build suspense
cerulean ice
but at some point, itll be answered
terse oar
If the “intentionally unanswered” quote was directed towards me, I know it’s to make suspense
peak escarp
I was just pointing out that Junkrat's treasure was one of those things
terse oar
That’s why I said the “so yes” part
peak escarp
along with why Reaper turned, what happened at the Swiss HQ, the whole of the omnic crisis
and probably plenty of other things
terse oar
I honestly don’t expect to have those holes filled with the campaign, since it focuses mainly on Null Sector
Maybe an answer around the Omnic Crisis, but that’s it
proud pike
Yo, let's just enjoy the story
peak escarp
other things are misconceptions, like the Talon council being powerful enough to take over the world
proud pike
other things are misconceptions, like the Talon council being powerful enough to take over the world
@peak escarp
As far as I remember, the talon has its own representatives in the governments of many countries.
(yeah, sry, ping)
terse oar
Moira is a representative in Oasis, but that’s about it
peak escarp
my point wasn't that they couldn't, but more why would they want to
having moles and influence is more effective than taking over outright
because at least that way, it seems legitimate
terse oar
Taking over the whole world wouldn’t really start conflict to “evolve humanity”
proud pike
Moira is a representative in Oasis, but that’s about it
Retribution
peak escarp
a takeover usually prompts a hostile response
terse oar
What about Retribution?
proud pike
Antonio
terse oar
He was a business man
cerulean ice
haha shotgun go bang 
cerulean ice
stick to the mission he said
peak escarp
a businessman with government influence
he told Reyes he would be released within a week
terse oar
You were asking for government representation, not connections
peak escarp
if they arrested him
proud pike
I put it wrong - not members of the government, but people close to the government. Sry
opaque tundra
it's really interesting that you can just waltz into a shop and browse through customizable prosthetics
cosmic crest
I wouldn't of thought prosthetics were all that common in the OW universe.
proud pike
Symmetra, Sombra, Genji, Doomfist, Junkrat, Torbjorn
cosmic crest
@proud pike Those are all individuals, in order to sell these things in store fronts there needs to be a market for them.
peak escarp
although only Torbjorn and Doomfist's missing limbs are related to the crisis
(also you forgot McCree)
and Sombra's prosthetics aren't replacing something missing
proud pike
(also you forgot McCree
yea, and Sigma too
peak escarp
Sigma has prosthetics?
proud pike
I'm not sure about this things on his head
peak escarp
it's unclear
proud pike
I'm not sure about Moira. Can we call it a" semblance" of a prosthesis?
peak escarp
I still think that metal patch on her face is just cosmetic
proud pike
I'm talking about her right hand
peak escarp
that's more of a deformity
peak escarp
self inflicted experimenting
cosmic crest
"professional scientist"
peak escarp
and probably not related to her fade
cosmic crest
She might not need her gear to use her biotic grasp, that might just be for healing.
peak escarp
maybe
cosmic crest
It's the same arm.
cerulean ice
its not like she doesnt need to, shes very proud of her own work
peak escarp
I've been assuming that Moira's fade is something she was able to create for herself from Reyes' cells
but I guess that's just theory/headcanon
proud pike
cerulean ice
a perfected one from reaper's wraith
peak escarp
combining what she did to him that made him decay into cells plus his regeneration and maybe more from the SEP
she did have his files in her lab on Oasis
and a copy of Dr. Zeigler's paper
peak escarp
those two are in the spawn room with the genetics logo
in the other spawn room you can find a draft of Moira's research
that's the one with the ferrofluid
the genetics spawn has the stone tablet
not sure what ministry this one represents
limpid agate
What was in there again
peak escarp
that one has the ferrofluid
not sure if that's relevant to what is studied there, since the genetics one has a big stone tablet
twin mantle
Can someone please tell me everything we know about Sigma? He is my fav hero and I want to make sure im up to date about him xd
peak escarp
Seibren de Kuiper is a Dutch astrophysicist who was trying to harness the energy of a black hole. He performed an experiment on a space station that backfired and exposed him to the forces of a black hole for only a fraction of a second, fracturing his mind and giving him the ability to manipulate gravity. When he returned to Earth, he was quarantined in a government facility indefinitely, until Talon agents broke in and stole him out to use for their own purposes.
Currently, Sigma is kept in a secret Talon lab, unaware of what Talon is using his research for
peak escarp
he also learned to control his powers to some degree
yeah, we haven't gotten anything new about him since his reveal
twin mantle
Man, people say zenyatta has the least lore, but sigma must have the same or littler amounts of lore than zen
twin mantle
And like speaking from the lore perspective, we really didn't see him coming
peak escarp
Zen just has a cameo in one comic
twin mantle
Oh wait rlly
peak escarp
the only launch heroes with origin trailers are Tracer and Soldier 76
twin mantle
F
valid terrace
They are likely just measuring tools
peak escarp
but they're not controlling him
and how would Talon know what Sigma's music sounds like?
where does it say they're controlling him?
valid terrace
They are manipulating him, but not literally mind controlling him
peak escarp
De Kuiper continues to develop his powers in hopes of unlocking the secrets of the universe, unaware that Talon is using both him and his research.
his bio only says he's being used
not controlled
valid terrace
They just keep him in the dark to their organization
peak escarp
they manipulate him through lies and controlling what information he knows, but they don't control him directly
valid terrace
Although he may be somewhat on board considering he'd be locked up anywhere else
valid terrace
He's not barred from his research though
peak escarp
he just got stolen out of a cell to be put in a cage
I think the music is the music of the universe, that he is able to hear because of how the black hole altered him
valid terrace
It's likely just in his head
peak escarp
cerulean ice
he still wants to find it though
valid terrace
It would be a great letdown if it was just music being played from some small wires
cerulean ice
thats disappointing
peak escarp
taking the concept of the musica universalis and making it literal
peak escarp
but how would Talon know what it sounds like?
valid terrace
I think you are reading way too deeply into how they are using him
cerulean ice
well thats a doubt
valid terrace
They just don't tell him Talon is a bunch of terrorists and let him do his research
cerulean ice
he is manipulated anyways and reassure of his stability to not go coo coo
what does that even mean
peak escarp
According to Blizzard, Sigma is “unaware” he’s “being used as a living weapon.” Instead, he’s largely working off-site, in a lab Talon has granted to him.
valid terrace
Not everything is outrageously complicated in Overwatch
cerulean ice
doghouse
peak escarp
he wants to do research
Talon doesn't really need to control him to make him do what they want him to do - they just have to let him do it and reap the benefits
like with Moira
valid terrace
She uses their members for her weird experiments
peak escarp
the difference is that with Moira, she knows what her talents are being used for
valid terrace
And if one works Talon reaps the rewards
peak escarp
Moira also has enough sway to call her own shots
she is one of the Talon leaders, after all
peak escarp
like I said earlier
if they tried to take over by force, people would try to stop them
but if they infiltrate world governments and have moles planted in major corporations like they already do, they can take over without much resistance
cerulean ice
and were unsure of talon's population
peak escarp
and by the time anyone realizes that Talon is in charge, it's too late and it has already been happening for years
like the Templars
11pm
west coast
cerulean ice
not all over the world 
peak escarp
yes
cerulean ice
kinda like that
peak escarp
think of how many inventions came about during wartime out of necessity or a desire to overcome adversity
cerulean ice
uh
peak escarp
or they could just make an alliance with Null Sector and have an actual war
peak escarp
not maybe
that's literally what they did
yes
Doomfist made this alliance 6 years ago and then got arrested
now he's out of prison, so their plan can go into action
in Zero Hour, Mei asks "why is Null Sector attacking now?"
because Doomfist is out of prison, that's why
cerulean ice
was he freed 1 year prior to zero hour?
peak escarp
rough timeline from Recall to Zero Hour
I keep a list of all the lore sources, and do a lot of research
cerulean ice
she
cerulean ice
i could see a possibility of sombra executing her plan during the crisis
leaving talon behind
peak escarp
Sombra seems to be playing every side of the conflict
she's working for Talon but also making her own alliances, she seems to be the one giving Soldier his info on Reaper, maybe even the person to told McCree that Echo's crate would be on that train
she's making sure she's got friends on the winning side, whichever side wins
she is pretty awesome
she's one of my favourites
mostly lorewise, I'm not very good with her
I'm not very good in general
slender hound
Sombra is just one of those characters
You gotta learn
Hard learning curve
Too much lore for me
I’m gone
peak escarp
Vialli wanted to kill Volskaya because she wasn't working with Talon
cerulean ice
Wait Sombra semi has a alliance with the most powerfull woman on russia she could give her insights on the war given she controlls alot of mechs and Talon was trying to kill her for a reason because the meks could be a great obstacle on their way to the massive war theyre planning if she gives her insights about the war she can quickly decide what role she will go into quickly.
peak escarp
Doomfist agrees that she's more useful alive and can be convinced
cerulean ice
it benefits talon as well
limpid agate
Vialli wanted her dead. Vialli actively disagrees with Doomfist's goals
They go into more detail about that in Masquerade
limpid agate
Considering you're the leader of an international terrorist organization
Disagreeing with one of the most powerful members of your organization that wants to start World War 4 is something you can get killed over.
peak escarp
it's bad for your health to disagree with Doomfist
calm sail
Unless you hate teeth
supple badge
Doomfist killed his old boss the second Doomfist so he strikes me as the kind of man who doesn't have the time to mess around
hot heart
!!vialli
limpid agate
!!wiki Vialli
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Vialli
raven sluice
So are deadeye and coalescence canon? Due to them being used multiple times in retribution?
cerulean ice
no?
why would u think of that
coalescence could be canon but i dont see how.
deadeye isnt
iron plume
Archives events are canon in the sense that these heroes were on this mission in this place and succeeded
Deadeye is "canon"
cerulean ice
well yes but not like
iron plume
in the sense that McCree concentrates real hard and goes for the killshot
cerulean ice
the same ingame
iron plume
we've seen him do it in Reunion
cerulean ice
its "canon"
iron plume
on the grenades
pretty sure even with the tumbleweed
cerulean ice
its just perceived differently as it is in the story
iron plume
well, yes
But aside from the purely-gameplay aspect of "charging it up" it does the same thing
So I'd say it's a canon Thing He Does, just not in the exact same way
cerulean ice
its canon then.. 
cosmic crest
Deadeye is just McCree aiming really well, there would be no reason for it to not be cannon.
iron plume
Similar to reaper's wraithform/tp being the same thing in lore
Or Tracer's blinks being not on cooldown and able to move her up
cerulean ice
as for coalescence, i dont think so
supple badge
We don't know if Moiras anime laser is canon
We know her primary attack and her orbs are canon
Because in the Retribution cutscene we see her succ the life out of some talon guards
And in the Retribution comic we see her hold her orbs while in the dropship
cerulean ice
if her grasp or something can project alot of force and fuse the substance even, then maybe it can be
proud pike
Yes, but this raises a question. how does she heal and kill at the same time with this beam? after all the lore includes team damage
proud pike
Ray of beam? Wdym?
proud pike
Yes
cerulean ice
yes?
proud pike
No?
cerulean ice
uh
proud pike
I'm confused
cerulean ice
idk
proud pike
raven sluice
So how has numbani gotten away with only having 1 orisa
You’d think that the government would st least think about making at least a couple more
I know that kills originality of the story, but I don’t know
I mean, numbani, at least the map, is quite big, snd orisa is slower than rocks
Or, here’s another one, how come Gabriel didn’t recruit all of the deadlock gang into Blackwatch?
cerulean ice
...
raven sluice
I suppose I’m asking too many questions
I still think they make sense
The deadlock gang apparently warranted a sting operation against them, which means they were good fighters. They would have been great agents
raven sluice
On it
Ah
Makes enough sense
Also, orisa is technically the youngest hero
I don’t know why that just clicked with me
supple badge
She's only a few month's old
iron plume
Good fighters doesn't mean they would be good agents
For one, they're still criminals
Reyes figured McCree would be content with leaving the outlaw life behind him, but it's likely the others wouldn't
Ashe most certainly wouldn't, since she wants to be the one in charge
iron plume
That's why McCree agreed
I'm saying why McCree was offered in the first place
twin mantle
Do you guys think that Overwatch might encounter Sigma and tell him everything talon did to him, then have him as an overwatch member?
proud pike
Pls, no more OW members
twin mantle
Or like go on a mission specifically to free him?
Pls, no more OW members
@proud pike idk, maybe he would just go on his own way after, doesn't necessarily have to go with overwatch
proud pike
Seriously. I need heroes with their own stories. Not something like " he's good, so he goes to Overwatch"
worthy rose
I just want zenyatta lore
proud pike
Zenyatta lore? More like Bob lore?
twin mantle
Bob is just ashes servant.... Not much to say
proud pike
twin mantle
What is Baptiste doing Currently? We know he worked with Mercy at one point from the voice line...
proud pike
He does the same thing as Mercy. Travels the world, hides from talon, helps people
proud pike
Well, Mercy isn't hiding from talon. But otherwise he does the same thing
So he will most likely become an overwatch member?
Well ... I don't know. Personally, I wouldn't want to
proud pike
C'mon he is Bob
twin mantle
I want more sigma lore smh smh
proud pike
Everyone need Bob lore
worthy rose
The most interesting characters have a very small lore
twin mantle
To Join Talon
worthy rose
Why not?
twin mantle
Because it would be sick af
Hamster in a giant ball fucking crushing overwatch members
** y e s **
And idk maybe he would have a soft spot for Winston and spare him at one point...
Could make for an interesting comic
worthy rose
I want a zen animated short
worthy rose
Travelling helping people or omnics who need it
twin mantle
Ah
I wonder if blizzard will make any heros die...
Just take them off the roster completely
They will have to many heroes at one point, right?
iron plume
Betray his friends
Or
Rot in jail
It's not like he became an informant, there was no one left to betray
worthy rose
I don't really think so
I wonder if blizzard will make any heros die...
@twin mantle
iron plume
Deadlock was done when he got busted
And was restarted by Ashe without him after
iron plume
Deadlock is fine with 2
iron plume
and:
Just take them off the roster completely
It's unlikely that someone is killed off, but Jeff said that even if they do the hero won't be removed from the roster
twin mantle
Oh
iron plume
McCree is a Deadlock hero even if he's not with them in the present
twin mantle
Oh ok I didn't know he counted XD
So I'm guessing Genji Is considered a shimida hero?
Shimada*
iron plume
well he's literally a Shimada so yes
and if you only count present members then Hanzo isn't one either
twin mantle
Wait rlly
iron plume
yes
twin mantle
Oh wait yeah isn't he mid character ark?
worthy rose
Hanzo was kicked for killing genji
twin mantle
Oh wait yeah isn't he mid character ark?
iron plume
Killing Genji was an order from the clan, why would he be kicked for that
He left because he couldn't stay with them after that
worthy rose
Sounds logical
iron plume
As for deadlock
twin mantle
What If Ashe joined Talon 0.0
iron plume
they're kinda locked into being American and cowboy themed and I don't really think much can be done for a third hero like that
She wouldn't
twin mantle
Why not
iron plume
Because she likes being in charge
twin mantle
Or maybe allied with them
iron plume
and she wouldn't be in Talon
iron plume
That aside, I'm not sure she would mesh with them mindset-wise
twin mantle
Maybe we could have to Canadian heroes.... One English and one Québécois 0.0
iron plume
I get "I may be a criminal lunatic but I'm an American criminal lunatic" vibes from potential Ashe/Talon convos
twin mantle
What do we know about Sojourn anyway
worthy rose
What about another hero from latin america?
iron plume
Was in overwatch though not from the start
Took over the mission command role when Ana went missing/presumed dead
twin mantle
Ah
iron plume
Has a ton of cybernetics
iron plume
Plus what we had from her conversations in Storm Rising
we don't know
but probably damage
iron plume
invisible sniper is a terrible idea for OW's gameplay
worthy rose
I have enough with widowmaker pro players
twin mantle
He would only be able to be invisible for a few seconds
And he would have to stay stilk
iron plume
That's still not good
twin mantle
Still
iron plume
but that's off topic for this channel
cerulean ice
you want sombra+widowmaker? gtfo
worthy rose
Too op
twin mantle
And it wouldn't be one head shot kill
iron plume
Invisible assassins is something they said they wanted to avoid
twin mantle
Ah
worthy rose
then what is the porpouse of being a sniper?
And it wouldn't be one head shot kill
@twin mantle
twin mantle
Insee
cerulean ice
anyways
twin mantle
then what is the porpouse of being a sniper?
@twin mantle
@worthy rose Ana is a sniper
worthy rose
Healer
cosmic crest
Ashe exists.
iron plume
...she's still a sniper
twin mantle
Sniper - Healer whatever
iron plume
Ashe isn't
cerulean ice
lets not..
worthy rose
Anyways we all agree another invisible hero would be a bad idea
iron plume
Yessir
maam
twin mantle
Based on the pictures Ive seen
iron plume
and no
Sojourn is black
twin mantle
Oh okay
iron plume
Pharah is half-native but I would like to see someone with the actual culture
although on the other hand we have enough Americans
worthy rose
McCree, Ashe, Soldier, maybe Reaper and that's all isn't?
worthy rose
Isn't reaper half Mexican?
worthy rose
Seems ok
iron plume
Born and raised in LA
Even has a Lakers reference as a voiceline
calm bronze
Random question but what's Dva's mech height?
supple badge
It's about the same size as Reinhardt
Maybe slightly shorter
But in the animated short it looked bigger than in game
calm bronze
Hmmm ok
terse oar
Yes
supple badge
Where can I find this source
It'll make my life easier getting the heroes to scale without measuring them ingame
desert yarrow
supple badge
Helpful
slender hound
Change my mind
supple badge
That OW is ded joke is really funnie
slender hound
Yes 👏
supple badge
It's not like I heard it before
supple badge
I stand corrected, I guess there isn’t a source
@terse oar I knew it :'(
I wish we had actual heights
terse oar
People have measured their heights in game if that helps you
supple badge
Yeah but that's on 100% accurate since some heroes like Genji and Junkrat are hunched over
And Sigma and Zen float
Oh and Echo
terse oar
They measured the T poses
supple badge
Do they have all 32 heroes or is it a old one missing a few
iron plume
We don't have official heights
supple badge
I know that's what we are talking about
iron plume
The ones we do have are taken from in-game models
terse oar
There is an estimate of the newer heroes
Granted, I could only find one source which even then is an eSport website lol
supple badge
Dammit
terse oar
So not exactly the most credible, but they did measure the heights in game and seem reasonable
A bit off topic, but I don’t think this is an official, endorsed Overwatch discord, but definitely the most popular
spare talon
jay3 is torbjorn confirmed???!??!?!?!?!?
terse oar
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
peak escarp
she was a ballerina married to an Overwatch official who got kidnapped, turned into a sleeper agent, and sent back to kill said Overwatch official
twin gull
Yeah, she has skins to reference her ballerina past
peak escarp
then Talon took her back and turned her into a sniper assassin who can't feel
twin gull
and now shes blue
rain star
yep
peak escarp
and now she's blue
cosmic crest
They slowed her heart rate to numb her emotions. The science on that is... questionable at best but it's cannon.
hard sinew
lament prawn
i think the slowing her heartrate is more for being a better sniper and staying steady, its the conditioning that was more responsible for her emotions
twin gull
Saddest overwatch hero backstory?
rain star
i feel like zenyatta and sigma shouldn't be able to fall of the map, but i guess logic≠gameplay
twin gull
haha zenyatta go BRRRRRRRR
worthy rose
but in sigmas ult he litterly flys
rain star
😝
peak escarp
that probably takes effort
worthy rose
pretty high
rain star
why shouldn't he be like a frikin permanent valk?
peak escarp
Mercy should be able to fly at any time too, but that wouldn't be balanced
rain star
i would put in the effort of rising a few feet if not doing so cost me my life
worthy rose
what is sigma talking about all the time
peak escarp
because the game isn't canon
worthy rose
like he thinks the universe talks and shit
rain star
THAT MELODY
worthy rose
ye
lament prawn
gl doc
terse oar
^
twin gull
sigma hearing that melody:
cosmic crest
He seems to suffer from auditory hallucinations.
it seems he may have some form of schizophrenia.
peak escarp
something something musica universalis
worthy rose
sigma is lit tho
rain star
He seems to suffer from auditory hallucinations.
it seems he may have some form of schizophrenia.
@cosmic crest alot of peolpe think he was split beetween universes when things went wrong and that explains everything
worthy rose
i like his voicelines
twin gull
He could also have pyschosis which is a symptom of schizophrenia
lavish pasture
Excuse me, here I can find zenyatta lore
rain star
no you cant, there is none
lavish pasture
ok
terse oar
Zenyatta will have lore in OW2
rain star
zen:monk balls, enlightenment, thats all we know
peak escarp
!!zenlore
twilit nacelleBOT
Zenyatta will be featured in Overwatch 2. He is in India for a currently unknown reason.
cosmic crest
@peak escarp do you know how people get roles in this channel?
peak escarp
by being active and helpful
terse oar
Overwatch is set around 2076
terse oar
Not an exact year, but around there
cosmic crest
ok, I guess I haven't been doing enough of that.
worthy rose
how can mercy bring ppl back to live
cosmic crest
She can't
terse oar
Rez is not canon
worthy rose
what does she do then
terse oar
It is a burst heal seen in Zero Hour
cosmic crest
She can revive people who are downed.
peak escarp
she just gives a burst of healing that gets someone incapacitated back on their feet
worthy rose
ah ok
cosmic crest
She can't literally raise the dead.
worthy rose
hm hm
worthy rose
thats OW2 or
worthy rose
ah ye
twin gull
kinda wish theyd make rez a little bit faster
terse oar
^ If you’re talking about gameplay, wrong channel
cosmic crest
If we assume Overwatch take place in the 2070s then most likely yes.
rain star
i dont wanna die 2 bastions
terse oar
We don’t have an official height for Echo, so it’d be hard to tell
She’s roughly 6ft though if that helps you
cerulean ice
slender hound
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Most of us would still be alive during Overwatches time since Sigma was born in 2014
He's the Oldest playable OW character
peak escarp
I would be surprised if I'm still alive in 60 years
cerulean ice
now let us find this child who is interested in the mysteries of the universe and stop him
i can see overwatch happening knowing even that its gonna be shit
oh and omnic war
cosmic crest
What?
supple badge
We probably wouldn't even survive the Omnic Crisis
We'd be old Woman and Men by that time
peak escarp
if Overwatch present day is in the 2070s, the omnic crisis would be in the 2040s
that's only 20 years from now
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S-sorry what
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Be sure to say thank you to your roomba
peak escarp
don't worry, it's fiction
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Maybe the God AI will keep us as pets
peak escarp
it's not really going to happen
cerulean ice
it could be parallel to overwatch, different but has the same process of events
or im being paranoid
idfk
lets hope not
especially the evolution of ai
supple badge
As of know all our AI and robots are extremely dumb
So it might take longer than OW's timeline to get Omnic tier AI
young knoll
well, the human brain is quite complicated, so I am doubtful it happens too soon
assuming the human brain is what would be needed to accurately create a true ai
raven sluice
Why
Why
WHY
Does sigma barely have any interactions with other characters
He’s one of the most interesting characters in the fucking game, and I’m pretty sure the only interaction I’ve heard with him was that one widow interaction in the Halloween patch
A back and forth between Moira and sigma could be added
He has something to do with Horizon Lunar Colony, so an voice line on horizon where he says one thing along the lines of “I wonder how the other specimens are”
Or hell, Winston interaction about the colony would be cool
A hammond interaction as well
Sigh
grand wedge
@raven sluice Have those unfinished Sigma Interactions - now the only finished one is with Widow, like you said, on the Halloween patch : https://youtu.be/-SSldKeLWOY
terse oar
Sigma has the interactions, we’re waiting on the other VAs
rain star
i will befriend a bastion
@cerulean ice
i am older than sigma lol
i dont expect to see inteligent AI in my lifetime, and i dont know if i want to. not because i'm scared, but know there will be ethics problems
rain star
lol he aint 62 yet. he was born 2014, and i promise you i am older than six
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If you do the math Sigma was born in 2014 I think
cosmic crest
We don't know exactly when OW takes place either.
We were just told that it's about 60 years in the future.
And that was very early on.
cosmic crest
we know it is in the 2070s
@rain star Source on this?
rain star
@cosmic crest chat history , i trust dr. six with lore
peak escarp
the devs have consistently said "something like 60 years in the future"
they said that in 2014 when the game was announced, and in 2016 when the game launched
so its not an exact number
"something like 60 years" from the mid 2010s is around the mid 2070s, give or take 5 years
my guess is 2079
the only mention of a year comes from the Havana Sun newspaper that teased Storm Rising
Almost two centuries ago, Clara and Basilio Diaz used their savings to open a small rum distillery. It was a modest family business, specializing in small batch, barrel-aged rum. Until 2060, few outside of Cuba knew the name Don Rumbotico, but the brand was wildly popular in Havana.
so at the bare minimum, we know Overwatch is set after 2060
hushed jetty
Most people go with 2076 but that's not an official year so
peak escarp
my argument for 2079:
- hurricane names are recycled every 6 years (unless they are retired)
- there was a Hurricane Fernand in 2019
- 2073 (6 years before Recall) is 54 years after 2019, which is a multiple of 6
2079 would be 65-63 years from when the devs said "something like 60 years", so it works
I dont know if they'll ever tell us what year it is
but they seem to have some idea
trim haven
limpid agate
There was a Hurricane during the events of Storm Rising
Which was 6 years before the present
!!loreTweet
Fuck what did I make the command
Oh its a blog post
!!loreText
twilit nacelleBOT
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Experimental Weapon Stolen: http://bit.ly/2fMrKsj
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Efi Oladele Interview: http://bit.ly/2miMZkT
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Oslo Attack: https://bit.ly/2uHKXUr
Don Rumbotico: https://bit.ly/2VtzZKX
Documents:
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Torb's Letter: http://bit.ly/2HK4CWa
Venice Declassified: https://bit.ly/2Hs807B
Cuerva: https://bit.ly/2BHEqd9
Travel Guides:
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Paris: https://bit.ly/2GEyOoq
peak escarp
this is assuming the rules on naming hurricanes hasn't changed and that the devs actually had this in mind when choosing it
terse oar
I would be impressed if they did put that into consideration
young knoll
it seems relatively reasonable
proud grove
What happened to Overwatch 2
proud grove
There better be updates there
swift mason
Oh don't worry, since blizzcon has been delayed to Feb, we are sure to get huge updates on the game, especially its release date
terse oar
I wouldn’t be 100% on an exact release date, but we should at least get a window
lament prawn
if its launching mid-late 2021, which is the current speculation, we’ll probably get the date there
if we go another blizzcon without a release date people will flip
peak escarp
yeah
cerulean ice
we'll have a decent chance of getting another blizzcon for next year since it was delayed this year but we'll see.
proud pike
Imagine.... Blizzcon 2021.1
Blizzcon 2021.2
swift mason
You never know, things might change
maybe blizzard might keep it in Feb
but I guess we'll see
proud pike
I don't think two Blizzcons are really necessary
terse oar
There probably will be two BlizzCons
They changed the title to “BlizzConline,” so they could probably do a BlizzCon 2021
proud pike
Good hypothesis. (Although for me, they will both be held online. lol)
fluid yew
this game has a storyline?
proud pike
......
young knoll
like clockwork
fluid yew
weird
i just played this game to hear sombra say boop a million times in every lobby
gotta love that
swift mason
There’s more story than people care to believe
It just hasn’t been prevalent lately (except for the new tracer comics releasing every month for 5 months)
supple shard
Me: And so the Australian Omnium was destroyed, turning it into a radiated wasteland.
Person: Ok, but how does that give you the excuse to go terrorize the world?
Me: WELL GET THERE WHEN WE GET THERE
limpid agate
!!shitposting @supple shard
twilit nacelleBOT
@supple shard Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
supple shard
bruh wut
gusty sluice
thats shocking D:
limpid agate
I warned you in the other channel for making the exact same shitpost
supple shard
shoot i thought that was for the guy who said that qp is trash
gusty sluice
this is lore discussion, maybe the general discussion might work?
sorry that it escalated very rapidly, but you posted it on the wrong place
supple shard
ok
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Did Mccree lose his arm when he was captured by Null Sector? Or am I misremembering?
proud pike
No, that's right, he lost his arm after the King's Row Uprising
We don't know when exactly
swift mason
It is presumed that he lost it in the Swiss HQ explosion that "killed" Morrison and Reyes
proud pike
Most likely it is
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But didn't Mccree bale before that big battle
limpid agate
@swift mason McCree was not present for that
He explicitly left before it so he didnt have to pick a side
proud pike
Nope
limpid agate
It was after he left Overwatch
raven sluice
So, tell me if there are any physics buffs here so you can correct me
Ok, so since the earth is orbiting the sun at the speed of holyfuck, wouldn’t tracer recalling basically yeet her into space or something
cerulean ice
time ≠ physics?
raven sluice
Fair
tall sentinel
If you jump in a bus you don't go to the back
No idea though I've never done physics in my life :)
supple badge
I think someone made a video about Tracers powers trying to explain them with science
scarlet hedge
hmmmm...Lets see...Reinhardt can slam people into the wall. wouldnt that crush people like Junkrat or something?
peak escarp
probably
terse oar
Very easily
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Actually if we apply real life physics to Reinhardt if he charges fast enough he doesn't have to hit you against a wall to kill you
His speed and momentum is enough to explode your body
cosmic crest
Uhh yeah, he isn't moving that fast.
cosmic crest
I can't imagine he weighs as much as a car either.
worthy rose
The only ones I see surviving are Reaper,d va,Winston and Doomfist
worthy rose
Doomfist survived a punch from Winston id say he can survive Reinhardt
valid terrace
He punched with the gauntlet
That's different than having your human bits between a Rein and a hard place
worthy rose
Yeah but Winston defeated him he must off hit Doomfists body a few times
valid terrace
We don't know
frosty shell
oh, you again
worthy rose
Who me?
frosty shell
yeah sorry
worthy rose
At about 40 seconds in Doomfist says about being hit by Winston
What will happen first: Earth's end, or zenyatta getting lore?
Im leaning toward the first one
valid terrace
!!zenlore
twilit nacelleBOT
Zenyatta will be featured in Overwatch 2. He is in India for a currently unknown reason.
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India rn
worthy rose
Why does everyone care about Zen lore so much?
terse oar
It’s just memed
valid terrace
Because he has very little
worthy rose
A lot of characters have little lore like Sigma and Mauga
terse oar
They’re still relatively new
valid terrace
They are both new
terse oar
Zen has been out since before launch
terse oar
Like one of the only newer sources of lore for zen is the cookbook
terse oar
It just says how the Shambali sometimes use food to spread peace
peak escarp
it says the Shambali will cook food for human pilgrims
terse oar
A lot of the cookbook lore just say “this hero likes this food” or “this is popular on that map”
Still interesting though, and the food looks good
peak escarp
they are tasty recipes
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it says the Shambali will cook food for human pilgrims
@peak escarp that is genuinely sweet and adorable
peak escarp
yeah
it's a nice touch that shows that the Shambali do have human followers, and they are considerate of their needs
valid terrace
New headcanon, they love cooking but they need humans as an excuse
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Yes this
glad ferry
dwd
gusty sluice
i love how omnics knew how to cook when they dont need to eat. fascinating!
covert echo
Isn't it cannon that all OW characters like pineapple on pizza?
peak escarp
Jeff did say that
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Can't trust Jeff
hard sinew
Pineapple on pizza ain't even bad
peak escarp
^
frosty shell
^^
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worthy rose
I love pinapple pizza.Glad me and my favorite character have something in common
astral coral
Guys all seriousness. Is there a reason sigma doesn't wear shoes?
valid terrace
Because he floats
And because he didn't need them in the space station or state holding facility
worthy rose
If I was capable of floating I wouldn't be wearing shoes too since being barefoot is way more comfortable
astral coral
Oh makes sense
How do you guys know so much about the lore when they don't give us much. All we got is the videos on YouTube right?
valid terrace
Yeah
proud pike
Michael Chu twitter (lol)
peak escarp
I have a list
terse oar
If I remember correctly, Sigma wasn’t given shoes to add to the asylum feeling
And because he floats
peak escarp
we got very little from Chu's twitter, mostly just trivia or confirmation of things that were vague
astral coral
Just vague details from each character?
opaque tundra
i like how you considered the katsuwatch short canon
opaque tundra
ooooh
worthy rose
Katsuwatch?
peak escarp
it's a cute fan-made animation of Ana and Soldier taking down Hakim
but they're cats
opaque tundra
ill pull it up
peak escarp
it was made in partnership with Blizzard so it is official
worthy rose
Did they beat up Reaper in the animation?
opaque tundra
peak escarp
but it's not canon
limpid agate
It's questuonably non canob
Parts if it ended up being canon
like them visiting Mercy
Hakim's prowess is a mystery too, he may actually have some kind of Jekyll/Hyde mechanism
hushed jetty
Wait who's Hakim
worthy rose
doctor?
peak escarp
Hakim was the crimelord who was running Cairo
Ana and Soldier took him down before leaving to go see Mercy
worthy rose
ahh
raven sluice
Zen cooks... WHY
Just look at the description of his recipe
“Sesame sweets” “the rich flavor of raw sugar”
How do you know what sugar tastes like??
He can’t smell, he can’t taste, and his digestive system is pros not like a garbage disposal
WHY THE FUCK DOES ZEN KNOW HOW TO COOK? WHO MADE THIS DECISION!
raven sluice
But their robots dude
proud pike
And?
raven sluice
How do they know what tastes good and what doesn’t
Do they just take notes from travelers?
peak escarp
humans tell them
also these are traditional Nepalese recipes
the Shambali didn't just make them up on their own
proud pike
He is a robot, but self-taught(!)
proud pike
Beethoven wrote music while being deaf. Right?
proud pike
Gameplay not = actual lore
proud pike
Because, if you believe the gameplay. Then we have Tracer can fight with the Reaper against Mercy and D va
And do it all in Junkertown
limpid agate
@raven sluice Why do humans know how to make dogfood?
raven sluice
Fair point
proud pike
raven sluice
Anyways, what else doesnt make sense
Hmmm
I know
I thought of this while playing earlier
Echo was freed from her pod on Route 66, correct?
proud pike
Yep
raven sluice
I was playing echo on Route 66 earlier and, why was the pod stil there
They changed it for the numbani cart and the gauntlet
peak escarp
wasn't the pod opened?
raven sluice
It was, but it isn’t in game
proud pike
The map captures the moment when McCree left the cafe (Not 100% sure). It is logical that it will be there
raven sluice
But my issue is that they changed it for numbani
raven sluice
It was closed
proud pike
And?
raven sluice
Which implies echo is still inside
But I’m playing echo right there
Come to think of it though this is more of a gameplay complaint than a lore complaint
proud pike
I will repeat it again.
peak escarp
raven sluice
Dear god, I’m an idiot
proud pike
peak escarp
yeah, it looks the same from most angles
raven sluice
peak escarp
but this appeared a few weeks before Blizzcon 2018, which led people to suspect the upcoming short would be related to it
and it was
they have a history of changing maps to tease animated shorts
raven sluice
Fair
Anyways what else
Ok, just asking before I make a fool of myself
I mean I already have but
Lucio successfully managed to drive out vishkar from rio entirely right?
proud pike
Ok, just asking before I make a fool of myself
@raven sluice Don't worry, everyone makes mistakes sometimes
raven sluice
Ik
peak escarp
Lúcio wouldn't stand for it. He stole Vishkar sonic technology that had been used to suppress the people, and he converted it into a tool to rally them to action. In a popular uprising, they drove Vishkar out of their neighborhoods.
raven sluice
Ok
peak escarp
just out of the vavelas, Vishkar still operated in other areas of Rio
raven sluice
I was confused as to why there was no wishers interaction during the ow2 rio mission
peak escarp
as seen in A Better World
raven sluice
You’d think vishkar would have done something
peak escarp
Sanjay is one guy
and Talon and Null Sector are working together, so Sanjay wouldn't help fight against them
peak escarp
and?
peak escarp
Sanjay wouldn't do anything against Null Sector
cerulean ice
im not saying they would
peak escarp
Sanjay would have gone back to India when their work in Rio was done
steep plover
Nonnnnccccceeeessss
hard sinew
worthy rose
no
leaden summit
What new hero’s will be in overwatch 2 game launch?
cosmic crest
Besides Sojourn, we don't know yet.
Although Mauga seems likely since he was supposed to be in OW 1 already.
But they swapped him out for Sigma because we needed a shield tank.
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My theory is Mauga and Junker Queen might be in OW2 since they are the most talked about out of all the hero concepts
limpid agate
If not at launch, they are inevitable during OW2s life cycle
I don't think they will be launch Heroes
At least not Mauga
Maybe the Queen but I think she is unlikely too
terse oar
I feel like Mauga’s launch inclusion depends on how they handle Baptiste