And Reaper can just shoot her before she can react
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
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Symmetra traps him in a hardlight box filled with her turrets
Dunno sym has a pretty good reaction time
worthy rose
Reaper could just teleport in front of her and ko her with a punch
worthy rose
Anyways I don't think the people here are gonna like us talking about these matchup so ill stop
valid terrace
Fair enough
worthy rose
It will never happen
valid terrace
Unlikely yeah
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All the characters are going to meet at some point
worthy rose
Well its unlikely
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Also Viskar is in kahoots with Talon so you never know
worthy rose
That would be a fun battle to see
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Like I said all the heroes will eventually meet
It might take awhile
But it will happen
worthy rose
If u think about it roadhog could join team talon
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Mmmmmmmm
Maybe
But I feel like Hog and Junk would be too renegade for Talon
Also they need that good money
cosmic crest
I just got my first legendary for the event.
candid sundial
Get denied
hard sinew
I just got my first legendary for the event.
@cosmic crest
Poketwo?
cosmic crest
It was just the new Sigma skin.
hard sinew
I saw u in the cgl chat
valid terrace
Yup
limpid agate
Serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch
valid terrace
Ah my color got changed and I thought this was a different server sorry đ
gusty sluice
Well people here dont take you kindly just for a simple mistake, I personally dislike this attitude. đ
cerulean ice
no need to make a comment, itll get worse. 
midnight shoal
Is the plot of Overwatch 2 just going to be the reformed Overwatch traveling the world fighting Null Sector, Talon, rouge Omnics and other factions?
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We might get Talon missions
And there will be cutscenes
So Talon will get more depth and maybe the Null Sector might get depth
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Hey guys what characters do you think won't appear in OW2's Story
As much as I hate to say this I don't think Hog and Junk will make a appearance
molten cedar
nah they better
proud pike
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But asides from a funny Easter egg in the background I can't see how they can contribute to the story
And I don't want them to join Talon
limpid agate
My predicted list of characters absent from Overwatch 2's story are:
Ana, Ashe, Junkrat, McCree, Pharah^, Roadhog, Sigma, Soldier 76, Hammond, Zarya
Jump
^ I only think Pharah will appear if Helix is made to be the third enemy faction. It will give her a choice between OW and Helix
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I feel like Sigma would be in the campaign but just as brainwashed super weapon boss fight
Probably wouldn't get any real character development
proud pike
So... Sigma is in Talon isn't he? Why do you think there won't be one?
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Soldier 76 and Ana could work as extremists and act as very very very very minor antagonists or act antagonistic to the new Overwatch
cerulean ice
i wouldnt say antagonistic
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Ana not as much but I feel Soldier would be like that
proud pike
I think they'll just try to distance themselves from OW.
Why would a soldier act antagonistic? He himself said "old habits are not easy to get rid of".
cerulean ice
eh
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Jaded old man character
Maybe that'll be his character
Arc**
He starts off as a hardass but maybe he slowly sofens up
proud pike
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Also I wanna see a fully animated fight scene between Reaper and Soldier
proud pike
Everyone wants
limpid agate
idk about ana, mccree, sigma, 76 and zarya
Ana/Soldier are part of their Old Soldiers campaign. They have no interest in joining modern Overwatch, as seen by Winston/Soldier interactions.
proud pike
(probably)
limpid agate
McCree does not think he is wanted by Overwatch. Its why he sent Echo in Reunion. ("They think they want me, but really, they need you")
proud pike
What about Sigma?
limpid agate
Sigma is the least important character in Talon, and the launch story is focused on Null Sector
Zarya is an unimportant side character fighting against a different omnic crisis in Russia. Not Null Sector. And Null Sector joining them doesn't really play a part in Doomfist's plot.
proud pike
I don't know..... As I recall Sigma is quite important for Talon, isnt he?
limpid agate
No
Doomfist is the head honcho.
Reaper/Moira are also on the council of leaders.
Widow/Sombra are the closest allies of Doomfist/Reaper.
Sigma exists and doesn't know he is working for terrorists.
Symmetra also exists and doesn't know her boss Sanjay is on the Talon council of leaders.
Baptiste quit.
proud pike
oh
thx so much
In theory, Sigma's knowledge of Talon is now at the level of Batiste's when entering Talon. Right?
cerulean ice
we'll see though, its alr been 2 years and sigma hasnt made a debut
gravity powers will be a waste not showing 
probably just me but we dont know how talon would act during the current crisis
limpid agate
we'll see though, its alr been 2 years and sigma hasnt made a debut
So.
Zenyatta made his first appearance 2 years after he debuted, and it was a cameo in Reflections.
He still hasn't had a major role.
Neither did Zarya for 3 years.
And Hammond still hasn't for his own 3 years
Not all heroes are important
Many of them are unimportant side characters.
proud pike
probably just me but we dont know how talon would act during the current crisis
@cerulean ice Doesn't Null Sector have a more or less positive relationship with Talon? (sry for ping)
limpid agate
Doomfist is working with them.
He wants them to wage their campaign because it will lead to a war.
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Doomfist believes conflict will make Humanity stronger
Not a original goal but a sold one if told correctly
I hope Doomfist gets more character development and cutscenes tbh
limpid agate
He got a good amount in the novel
cerulean ice
gravity powers will be a waste not showing
cerulean ice
hes literally a secret weapon
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Yeah thats his current "occupation" living weapon
So it makes sense he'll be a boss fight and used against Overwatch
cerulean ice
unknowingly
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Yes obviously
hot heart
I thought she lives in Talon base
Oh wait on wiki they said her location is unknown, so ig she lives in some hotels, maybe she moved out from the base and lives in the chateau
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Widowmaker
hot heart
She has her own base of operation?
cerulean ice
annecy is the chateau.
hot heart
So Talon members dont actually stay in one place all the time, they just regroup when there's a mission from the council?
cerulean ice
sour orchid
I mean....
swift mason
Thereâs also the fact that talon most definitely have multiple bases, as did overwatch, so just blowing up 1 base wouldnât completely destroy talon
proud pike
Mercy canât Resurrect in the canon
@worthy rose
In canon, Mercy doesn't even have a gun
And damage boost too
cerulean ice
the damage boost could have the same properties as ana's nano
but doesnt literally make you stronger
kinda like an adrenaline rush
or can u cite an evidence
if im missing something
proud pike
the damage boost could have the same properties as ana's nano
@cerulean ice Yes, but in the game, it just charges your gun with electricity
cerulean ice
not rlly?
it just shows that ur being dmg boosted
not literally electrifying ur gun
worthy rose
So in the canon, does mercy have her healing stream
proud pike
Yes
worthy rose
I know in the zero hour, she had a healing touch or some kind of healing property
When she went to Mei
proud pike
It's just like a big splash of biotic..... (what?)
proud pike
okay
Biotic something
By the way. Can those abilities from OW2's PvE be considered lore-confirmed?
cerulean ice
we will see
proud pike
After all, PvE is a story mode. Which means.... Does the chain pulse bomb exist?
cerulean ice
that doesnt necessarily mean everything is canon
proud pike
Well, Yes, but after all, PvE is done with the canon in mind. (Well, usually)
cerulean ice
keyword; usually
proud pike
ur right
proud pike
I think that the characters will have a couple of comments about each other's abilities
But still, I hope it will be canon.
Wait a sec.... Co-op will be available only with lore-heroes, right?
terse oar
There will he story missions limited to 4 heroes and hero missions with every hero available
cerulean ice
hero missions ye
proud pike
I just reviewed the gameplay trailer and saw the graviton of Zarya in co-op mode - it was a bit confusing.
But it was probably a hero mission
oh
gtg guys
cya
raven sluice
Does anyone have a lists on what abilities are or arenât canon
Ping me if you have one
cosmic crest
There is probably like half a dozen that strictly aren't cannon.
trail temple
which are...?
iron plume
There's a list of confimed canon abilities in this channel's pins @raven sluice
raven sluice
Ok
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Since modern Overwatch is smaller than Old Overwatch they only have one base (Watchpoint Gibraltar) wouldn't it be cool if it was a small hub world between missions
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Also it would be rad for cutscenes or a small hub in-between missions
Like how in-between some missions in Doom Eternal you can walk around the Doom fortress
candid juniper
That would be in interesting concept
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Anyways i think it'll be cool
limpid agate
@cunning ledge Can you update that list of canon abilities in the pins? its missing some things from Hero of Numbani.
Namely, Halt! and Supercharger.
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Does it just power Orisa or do something else?
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That's rad
limpid agate
1 second
Its never really explained how it works.
Just that it invigorates people.
It behaves identically to Lucio's Crossfade (which should also be added to the list)
It also somehow enabled Lucio and Orisa to work together in sync, like if they were doing everything to the rhythm of the drum
Because when it broke, they "fell out of sync and lost their tactical advantage."
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That's a weird but interesting
cosmic crest
Wouldn't it be more efficient to track which abilities aren't cannon?
cunning ledge
Itâs easier to clarify how or which parts of an ability are canon like this though
Like mercy can fly but the infinite ammo part probably not
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Makes me wonder how Gabriel reloaded his guns pre Reaper
For the most part he's always been depicted with the duel shotguns
cunning ledge
There was an old description for the hellfire shotguns that said they took a while to reload
Dubiously canon but I guess he just finished every fight before he needed to reload
cosmic crest
Him being Reaper doesn't really change how he reloads.
cunning ledge
Assuming the same can he said for his shotguns before that
Are we still unsure on the whole shotguns formed out of body thing
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I said before he became the Reaper
cosmic crest
Actually, there is an interaction with McCree that suggests that he didn't used to throw them away.
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So no Wraith form cheese
cunning ledge
Whatâs the interaction?
cosmic crest
He doesn't just pull them from nothing, he likely just has more guns under his coat.
cunning ledge
Obviously might not be canon exactly
cosmic crest
McCree: You weren't given those guns to just throw them away like trash!
Reaper: I don't take lessons from you.
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McCree: You weren't given those guns to just throw them away like trash!
Reaper: I don't take lessons from you.
@cosmic crest that
cosmic crest
You don't need to quote it if I just said it.
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But his guns are visiblely driffent between his Gabriel form and Reaper form
So they have to be driffent models
cosmic crest
Every skin has different weapons.
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But his Blackwatch Reyes Skin is canon
cunning ledge
I always assumed that line was a jokey kinda thing made up after the gameplay
McCree has never actually met Reaper
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So far no
cosmic crest
It doesn't sound like a joke, at all.
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He left Blackwatch before the big fight
Mccree being a ingrate added to Gabriels hate and disillusion
cunning ledge
Kind of funny to imagine McCree finally encountering him and the first thing he does is criticise him for littering
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That sounds like something Mccree would do
He didn't take Ashe seriously so why should he take Reaper seriously
The only enemies he took seriously were those Talon guys in "trainhopper" and Bob once Mccree found out he has guns now
cunning ledge
True
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And I feel like the only reason he took talon soldiers seriously is because there were civilians and one of them was about to be shot point blank by a Talon Soldier
proud pike
The only enemies he took seriously were those Talon guys in "trainhopper" and Bob once Mccree found out he has guns now
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He didn't quite take Bob seriously, either. At the end of the cinematic, he also talked to him as a friend, I would even say.... mockingly?
grave adder
the blackwatch operation in rialto was crap
dusty fjord
limpid agate
@proud pike It wasn't mockingly
McCree and Bob get along fine.
And I wouldn't say he didn't take the fight seriously.
He just wasn't trying to kill them
Whereas the Talon thugs in Train Hopper he was trying to kill
proud pike
Well, he was smiling quite calmly
worthy rose
@dusty fjord Reaper is hotter period
primal pier
Ok, this isn't where you discuss who is hotter.
proud pike
hot heart
What is canon
peak escarp
the body of rules, principles, or standards accepted as axiomatic and universally binding in a field of study or art
or for our purposes, the body of works considered to be official and "true" for the Overwatch universe
primal pier
And non canon is basically the opposite
valid terrace
Non canon is at best non-confirmed, and at worst just fan made garbage to fit their crack theories
Usually we deal with both
proud pike
stark galleon
hey guys
proud pike
But her father is Sam
valid terrace
Correct
stark galleon
a canadian, right?
valid terrace
A native canadian yes
peak escarp
Reaper's kid(s) would probably be about her age though
worthy rose
Well we did see them in a comic
hot heart
Think ab family
gusty sluice
ana is 60 and reapers 58, not pretty far. in the lore, reaper started a family after the crisis right? ( approx. 2056-2057/2054-2055)
gusty sluice
yep widow is married but didnt raise a child
worthy rose
Its her fault for killing her husband
gusty sluice
true
proud pike
Are you sure that the "soldier improvement program" did not classify and cut off all the connections of its participants?
It was secret after all
peak escarp
@gusty sluice we don't know when he started his family
Pharah was born before the crisis
so he could have already had one when the crisis started
worthy rose
Maybe
hot heart
And he no longer contact with them for their safety ig
worthy rose
Does he even care about his family?
hot heart
If I'm a mass murderer terrorist leader I would cut off all connection with people
proud pike
He cut them off most likely during the soldier improvement program
hot heart
"Mom! I bombed a city today!"
gusty sluice
well that might support my version of his family if he started a family years before the crisis ( not shitposting ok? i needed some help ) , but their identities are canonically 100 percent unknown, so to be honest it will likely remain unknown
proud pike
Bro, I think his family (if there was one) was just told that he was dead. And he went to a program to improve soldiers. They probably did the same to Jack.
After all, the program is classified.
peak escarp
Does he even care about his family?
@worthy rose
peak escarp
not quite sure what he's doing here, but it could be considered "care"
gusty sluice
this might support why he didnt even care any ANYTHING around the time of retribution!
remember hes just tooo tooo focused on having revenge on talon and antonio
peak escarp
I don't think the SEP would tell their families that they're dead
worthy rose
Thats just wrong
gusty sluice
even to jack morrisons family?
proud pike
Yes, you may be right. But still, these are simple hypotheses that are most likely not to be confirmed
okay, thx for discussion, but gtg
cya
limpid agate
I don't think the SEP would tell their families that they're dead
I am confused
Why would they do that to begin with
Gabriel/Jack were very much alive and known to be alive for 25 years
Reyes had his family in that 25 years
proud pike
Reyes had his family in that 25 years
Where was it said? I just feel like I missed something
limpid agate
The SEP was 30 years ago.
They were deemed "dead" 5 years ago
peak escarp
Bro, I think his family (if there was one) was just told that he was dead. And he went to a program to improve soldiers. They probably did the same to Jack.
limpid agate
Not only do we have many many primary records about how Jack and Gabriel were international heroes.
But Bastet straight up tells us that Reyes had his family during his tenure at Overwatch
Which Jack gave up so he could lead
Their "deaths" are 100% unrelated to the SEP
proud pike
So where exactly was this indicated?
proud pike
About Reyes family
proud pike
ok thx
peak escarp
Ana said, unconsciously running her thumb over where her
wedding ring used to be.
âAt least you and Gabe managed to have families.â
The pair lapsed back into silence.```page 12
peak escarp
"families" in this case meaning "a spouse and kids"
limpid agate
Even without that story
The SEP has absolutely nothing to do with the "deaths" of Jack and Gabriel
That came out after the Swiss HQ explosion decades after they participated in the program and fought in the crisis.
There are posters and public award ceremonies with the two throughout the lore
Jack has a statue
The SEP had no death to cover up because they never "died" during the program
peak escarp
the SEP was "classified", but it wasn't exactly a secret
midnight shoal
Where they successful trails or failed ones?
peak escarp
we don't know
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Presumably there were more enhanced Super Soldiers it would suck for America if they only had two survive the augmentations, but most likely Soldier and Gabriel were the most well recorded because they did their jobs the best out of anyone or because Blizzard hasn't revealed much about the Soldiers enhancement program
peak escarp
they were probably just the most notable successes of the program
the rest probably just ended up being exceptional soldiers but not leaders or heroes
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Yeah out off the elite programs in the Overwatch universe the Soldier enhancement program is kinda boring when compared to other pre Overwatch organisations.
Like the Crusaders and Ironclad guild were pretty cool but Anas was pretty lame, just a really really good sniper
peak escarp
Overwatch was made up of the best of the best - two top soldiers from the SEP, Egypt's best sniper, the commander of the German Crusaders (replaced by his lieutenant), an engineer who designed many of the machines they would be fighting, and the programmer who made the omnics an intelligent threat
iron plume
Russia's was mostly "boring" too but they're the ones that actually shut their omnium down without overwatch
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I thought they didn't shut it down thats why they are still fighting Omnic crisis era machines
peak escarp
Reinhardt is the least accomplished of the original six
iron plume
They did
It was reawakened fairly recently
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Still a big man with a big hammer so it worked out
iron plume
Now that I think of it it is a bit weird that they just accepted Reinhardt when he came instead of Balderich
Not in the "you fucker you killed him" sense, but like
was he their #2 plan originally?
or did they just roll with it
peak escarp
I'm sure he made some impassioned speech and did a dramatic re-enactment of Balderich's death
also Reinhardt was Balderich's second in command, wasn't he?
iron plume
He was
but you'd think there'd be other Crusader units/armies/whatever who didn't lose their leader
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I'm sure he made some impassioned speech and did a dramatic re-enactment of Balderich's death
@peak escarp that would be in Character for Reinhardt also I'm sure the German government would inform Overwatch beforehand about their greatest Crusader dying
iron plume
and if so then one of those would be OW's choice instead of a relative rookie
peak escarp
maybe Balderich's endorsement (giving Reinhardt the token and sending him in his place) had a lot of weight with the UN
it probably isn't something they'll go into detail about
unless we get that omnic crisis movie I've been dreaming about
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There was going to be a Omnic crisis comic
But that got cancelled years ago
It was called First Strike
loud wolf
Im really excited for zen and genji ow2 lore
proud pike
Same
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I'm hyped for Zen lore, not really genji because he has enough lore
cerulean ice
genji's background is mostly covered up ig
itd be interesting to see zen's
his previous occupation
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Yep I checked he's 20
Weird
I always imagined him being older given the way he sounds
raven sluice
Zen is fucking twenty?
Wow
I figured he was at least like 30
Then again, omnics donât visibly age
cosmic crest
it really makes no difference since he's an omnic.
terse oar
To be fair, said 35 year old man had to become a cyborg in a world where some robots are feared
And, you know, his brother stabbed him
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This is true
But I always imagined Cyborgs or people with cybernetics being common place in the Overwatch universe
terse oar
Cybernetics are common, but Genjiâs alterations are so much more vast
You canât see him, you just see the metal
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You can kinda seem him
We know he still has his biological components
He has a face, hair, a arm a chest and his thighs
terse oar
Yes, but you only see the robotics on the outside
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That's correct
terse oar
People tend to judge books by their covers, so Iâm sure many people would stay away from or judge him
Isolation can be maddening
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That sucks
I wouldn't judge him I think huh cool cybernetics my guy and be on my way but I'm sure I'm the exception
terse oar
They are cool, but the omnic crisis also happened lol
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But I'm sure people can tell the difference between a omnic and a cyborg
terse oar
Sometimes ignorance or fear makes people see other things
Like Zaryaâs interactions for example, she doesnât trust him (granted, theyâre not canon themselves, but it represents what they think)
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Shame in the year 2077 people are still ignorant....
iron plume
I can forgive a person literally fighting on the front against robots who doesn't trust a person with excessive robot parts
terse oar
Exactly ^
rain star
i feel like cybernetics are kinda commonplace, i mean we have doomfist and junkrat, but then again you have to lose a limb to get a new one, and i hope that isn't common
iron plume
Junkrat's replacements aren't really "cybernetics"
And they're not only done on people who lose their natural parts
Symmetra replaced her arm/hand to be a better Architech
Ana's lost eye was cybernetic and likely originally made as performance enhancement
And we don't know what Sojourn's situation is
rain star
thats fair, but i think sojorns metal parts are like reins armour
cosmic crest
That doesn't make sense. How would it be like Rein's armour?
terse oar
Soujourn has a cybernetic arm
In the one highlight intro they showed for her, it turns into either a gun or flamethrower
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Actually if you look at her character model a little closer it looks like both of her arms and legs might be cybernetic
Also I'd consider Doomfist a Cyborg
terse oar
Doomfist is technically a cyborg yes
And Sojourn does actually have 2 cybernetic arms I realized
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Yeah since Dooms Augmentations are cybernetic and not genetic I'd say he's a Cyborg
And I hope given what little we see of Sojourns cybernetic arms I hope they transform into all sorts of weapons shame she's basically confirmed DPS
grand wedge
Sojourn has brain implants and his heavily cyberniticized
Both arms and both legs
grand wedge
She also have a nice interaction with Genji on Storm Rising
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I know that
grand wedge
And she has been a cyborg for at least 20 years
Because she already had cybernetic arms in this picture
primal pier
Does anyone know who this is?
terse oar
Who
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I wanna know who mohawk guy is
valid terrace
We still don't know iirc
There's a few names floating around for him though
People used to think he was Liao lol
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Liao got gibbed by that lab explosion F
grand wedge
Mohawk guy is still unknown to us yeah
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Okay guys you know the new Overwatch Winston made so far we have
Winston
Tracer
Reinhardt
Mercy
Genji
Brigitte
Mei
Sojourn
TorbjiĂśrn
Bastion
Zenyatta
LĂšcio
Do you think anyone else will join
hushed jetty
I doubt torb is joining them
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Or at least show up for one or two missions?
hushed jetty
If they want to include dva in the story, they might do the same thing they did with lucio and have her work with them for a mission or two
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But we see LĂšcio in Watchpoint Gibraltar hanging out with the rest of the Overwatch cast so I think he might be joining them
cosmic crest
Just because they were in the trailer doesn't mean they will join Neo Overwatch.
I don't know about Zen and Torb.
peak escarp
Torb is retired - he might join for a mission, but he's not joining Overwatch again
Bastion might join, or it might stay with Torbjorn, it's hard to say
Zenyatta is the same - he might just join for one mission and stay in India or wherever
wintry vine
nah zen will join the team to hunt down widow
cosmic crest
Why would he want to hunt down Widow?
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She killed Mondatta but even still Zenyatta isn't one who'd seek revenge
hushed jetty
Zenyatta isn't really the vengeance type
One of his lines in-game when he kills Reaper has something to do with revenge, but I forgot what it says
gusty flume
Zenyatta is probably just going to be in the story to continue to mentor genji
peak escarp
terse oar
I expect a lot of heroes to make one offs simply for inclusion
One of them being Zenyatta
I could also see Dva, McCree, or Hanzo
loud wolf
tbh i rly want to see more of the old like torb how when he injured his eye or sym or lucio
old animations
cause we didnt see torb or lucio or sym or echo lore
rain star
why would bastion join? i hope bastion gets a rework that totally nerfs him and bastions are main enemy in pve
peak escarp
because Bastion was taken in by Torbjorn and needs people like Overwatch to watch over it and make sure it doesn't harm anyone
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Dehumanising the E-54 there
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peak escarp
Dehumanising the E-54 there
well it isn't a human, or even a person really
and Bastion is canonically called "it", not "he"
rain star
E-54 deserves every bit of dehumanization i give it
what if cutscenes like hanzos dragon thing that may or may not have been fanfiction were playable? and by hanzo cutscene i dont mean when he fights genji
peak escarp
Hanzo's dragon thing?
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What?
peak escarp
@rain star do you mean the HotS trailer where Hanzo fights Alexstraza? that's not canon
terse oar
If you mean his ultimate, that is canon
If youâre referring to the HotS trailer, that is not
worthy rose
i say ashe and mcCree had a thing
cosmic crest
It's been confirmed that they did not.
cerulean ice
and that ^
wintry saffron
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I hope they go into bobs origin since he is a model of Omnic that is mass produced and sold by Ashes family since their business is robotics
wintry saffron
zeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenyata
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They probably made lots of Big Omnic Butler's
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So hopefully we get some insight into that
Also I'm not the only one kinda disappointed by the London rising series
cerulean ice
shhh
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And most of it was just Widows animated short retold
cerulean ice
its just 2/5
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It's nice getting extra context for Kings Row and how the Omnics are treated
But I dunno I feel like we already know this from the maps visual story telling
cerulean ice
caresses ur lips shh its just 2/5
we'll probably see some foreshadowing of an important event
later on
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Mayhaps but it would been nice if instead of Tracer getting her own series it would be cool if the 5 new comics were about driffent characters like they did in the olden days lol
cerulean ice
theyll probably do that, its just that ow2 is more of the main focus
which is why were given this tracer comic as it is developing
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Probably easier to write one long story than multiple short stories
cerulean ice
jeez, wait
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peak escarp
the next issue probably won't be out until the 18th
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Hey guys if there are Talon Missions in OW2 who do you think we'll fight
It would be lazy if we have to fight Null Sector as them
limpid agate
Helix
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Helix could have a interesting enemy sandbox
Since asides from Pharah and her team and units like her they can really do anything with Helix
lament prawn
the raptora units alone would already be perfect gameplay design for a mission involving widowmaker
to snipe them out of the sky
frosty finch
I'm interested to see how the Hero missions work. I guess those are like mini story modes for each individual hero
peak escarp
I don't think they will have any story content
they'll be more like the challenge modes we got for Archives
peak escarp
set objectives (kill X enemies, survive X minutes, defend X objective, etc.) with modifiers (enemies explode, enemies have rage, low health high damage, etc.)
frosty finch
I'm guessing Overwatch 2 will come out somewhere in 2021
They've been really quiet about it for a while
peak escarp
my prediction is still May 2021, for the 5th anniversary
terse oar
Hopefully
frosty finch
I'm guessing the game will be on the next gen consoles and Pc
last inlet
That's what they announced
terse oar
Current consoles will also be supported I believe
peak escarp
yeah
last inlet
Well, the generation that was still out
peak escarp
they announced it for XB1, PS4 and Switch
so I don't think they'll change their minds and say next gen only
frosty finch
I hope they'll have cross gen, and cross play.
last inlet
I don't know, they might have to delay it to make versions for the next gen
last inlet
I'm not entirely sure what the point of the next Gen consoles are, but maybe higher performance versions of OW2?
frosty finch
They'll probably release it for PS4,Xbox One, Switch and PC first before making dedicated next gen ports
terse oar
That would be nice
frosty finch
If you have a next gen console you can still play the game with BC but you're entitled to the next gen dedicated port when it comes out since you've already paid
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I'm just say this quickly but the next gen consoles aren't impressive it feels like the One and the PS4 haven't had time to spread their wings I think Next gen is coming out too early and the lack of games doesn't help
Anyways Lore talk
What kind of stuff do you think Helix will use or have when it comes to enemies and gear
limpid agate
All we know is Raptora units, and they will also have their own generic foot soldier like the Talon Trooper/Nullifier
They can make anything they want
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Since (please correct me if I'm wrong) they also had Omnics under their employment so maybe some Helix Omnics fighting a long side humans would be cool
limpid agate
They did
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Especially since Talon wouldn't kill their own human troops and it's believed Talon is working with the Null Sector, so it would tick both boxes for Robot and human enimes
peak escarp
Especially since Talon wouldn't kill their own human troops
limpid agate
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
peak escarp
they sent teams to kill Baptiste
peak escarp
no
terse oar
Only way to leave Talon is in a coffin
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Also didn't Doomfist kill that guy for fucking up Talons goals
peak escarp
but I doubt they would hesitate to kill any of their own members if they suspected sabotage or betrayal
terse oar
Yes, Doomfist just killed Viali
peak escarp
Viali
terse oar
Thank you
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But what I ment was in a mission it wouldn't make sense for Talon to be fighting their own loyal soldiers
peak escarp
the only reason Sombra doesn't have a target on her back is because Doomfist thinks she's useful
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Outside of a non canon arcade mode
peak escarp
well no, we wouldn't have missions against Talon or Null Sector where we play as Talon
that's why we need a third faction
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Viali was fucking around and messed up Doomfists goals so that's why he killed him
peak escarp
one that has the numbers to field a force large enough to pose a threat
one that has the authority to act against Talon (and Overwatch, if necessary)
one that has lore potential
that's Helix
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That's what we were saying
terse oar
I wonder, in the event of say a Gwishin or Los Muertos mission, what enemies would they use?
Would they just use Null Sector/Talon, or would they make a whole new set of enemies?
limpid agate
We probably wouldn't get one.
valid terrace
If Max defects in the story, there could be a Talon mission killing off his faction
terse oar
If they were to kill a Talon leader, Max makes the most sense
limpid agate
If only because we have two choices, and the other one is Sanjay.
valid terrace
Reaper reveals he's been a double agent all along
peak escarp
and Max has already been shown to have wavering convictions
limpid agate
Why Sanjay (other than that heâs the only other one we know)
That's exactly why
terse oar
Oh lol
limpid agate
We have 5 leaders.
3 are heroes
1 is Max
1 is Sanjay
So with your premise of
If they were to kill a Talon leader
We have two choices.
terse oar
I see
lament prawn
i dont see them giving sanjay a big relevant arc that ends with his death, without also giving symm an equally relevant arc
like, i cant see OW taking down sanjay or something without symm's involvement, he's a fairly big part of her story
peak escarp
yeah
limpid agate
There is a third scenario, also more likely than Sanjay
They introduce a new leader to kill
I feel like I can guarantee OW2 will introduce at least 1 more Talon leader.
terse oar
If they do that, I could see the Null Sector omnic being it
cosmic crest
Sanjay isn't the CEO of Vishkar so it's possible he's filling in for someone else.
Either that or Vishkar is corrupt.
The CEO doesn't know they have been compromised by Talon.
I hope we get a dedicated Vishkar arc after OW 2 releases.
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Viskar enemies
Or Talon agents upgraded with Viskar tech
Or Talon and Viskar agents at the same time
And the Viskar enmeshed buff the Talon ones
hard sinew
We have 5 leaders.
3 are heroes
1 is Max
1 is Sanjay
Who are the other leaders?
Moira doom fist and?
peak escarp
we need to know more about Vishkar
do all their architechs do espionage and field work like Symmetra? or is she a special agent who just works for Sanjay?
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They exploded their rival
peak escarp
does Vishkar know about Sanjay's extracurricular work?
or does Sanjay act on his own, without Vishkar's knowledge?
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It think it'll be interesting if a good chunk of Viskar has Talon plants
grand wedge
Can't wait for them to deliver the Vishkar lore
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It'll add more enemy verity
rain star
i NEED VISHKAR LORE
also, since overwatch is in the future shouldn't zaryas totally 80s outfit be shreeded from wear and belong in a museum?
iron plume
well
it doesn't have to be genuinely from the 80s
rain star
YEAH WELL IM DUMB OKđ jk i accept that my iq is negative 300
cosmic crest
I think it would be a logical assumption that her outfit wasn't physically made in the 80's
but it's not cannon anyway.
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I love Zarya she's cool.
Probs killed lots of Bastions
Y'know I just realised Russia isn't going through a second Omnic Crisis because you can have a second one while the first hasn't ended yet
peak escarp
the first one did end, just not for very long
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iron plume
They did shut down their Omnium
Speaking of Russia, I wonder if they went straight to big fuck-off mechs for their solution to the problem
Korea has mechs but they've only started using them when the Gwishin learned to shut down commands to drones
cosmic crest
Every nation seemed to have a different response to the crisis.
Big-fuck off mechs was Russia's response.
Although no single nation could best the omnics alone.
iron plume
ultimately, yes
I'm thinking whether it was the plan from the start
since we have another place also with mechs where it wasn't
And for the first crisis at least Russia did
cosmic crest
We don't really know what a lot of the nations responses to the crisis were.
I'd like to know more of them.
iron plume
that's true
so would I
cosmic crest
The US had the soldier enhancement program.
Russia had the afore mentioned big-fuck off mechs.
Egypt had elite sniper squadrons.
iron plume
I wonder if there were nations with relatively little invasion because they didn't have an omnium themselves
which managed to hold them off conventionally
cosmic crest
I'd like to know what China's response was, since they are a global super power.
limpid agate
And Germany had crusaders
That's all we know
South Korea did not employ the MEKA drones until post-crisis.
Everywhere else is an enigma
cosmic crest
Oh, how could I forget the crusaders.
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America: slightly stronger boyz
Russia: big fuck you mechs
South Korea: drones OH FUCK AI GONE BAD so plan B gamers
Eygpt: 360 No scope time
Germany: FOR THE EMPEROR PURGE THE HERETIC MECHINES!!!
Moon: lol chimps
Not exact and the timeline isn't accurate because the Drones and gamers was post crisis but still
Did I miss anyone?
iron plume
Moon didn't have anything to do with the Crisis
But no, you didn't miss anyone in the worse retelling
limpid agate
@supple badge Again, South Korea did not employ MEKA until post crisis.
And it wasn't that the "AI GONE BAD"
peak escarp
maybe with Sojourn we'll find out what Canada's response to the crisis was
limpid agate
It was that the Gwisin started jamming transmissions to the drones
peak escarp
maybe it was cyborgs
limpid agate
So they needed pilots inside the mechs
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I literally said I KNOW THE DRONES AND GAMERS WERE POST CRISIS
READ THE WHOLE THING
limpid agate
And like it was said earlier
The Moon had nothing to do with it.
Stop the caps and bold.
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I'm done for today
cosmic crest
Is the Iron clad guild based in Sweden?
If so they might of helped out with their countries defence against the omnics.
limpid agate
It wasnt
raven sluice
Iâm not the only one that thinks that the brainwashing of widow maker is starting to unravel, right?
Sheâs starting to feel more anger and frustration, even grief
primal pier
I mean, yeah
raven sluice
Even Moira thinks this
peak escarp
not brainwashing
conditioning
but she does seem to be exhibiting more emotion in recent voice lines than she has in the past
cosmic crest
Widow is numb, but she clearly feels emotions to a certain degree.
cosmic crest
not totally.
She laughed when Tracer asked her why she killed Mondatta.
She also just generally doesn't act like she doesn't feel anything.
"I don't even feel the cold" Proceedes to shiver uncontrollably while being frozen by Mei
raven sluice
Lol
coarse plaza
"I don't even feel the cold" Proceedes to shiver uncontrollably while being frozen by Mei
@cosmic crest lmao
worthy rose
lore
raven sluice
Could one argue that reapers life steal is canon
My argument would involve the fact that when reaper got cut off by the giant battle mech in infiltration, he seems pretty damaged, his wraith wasnât working and smoke came and dissapeared
But when he came back at the end, he seems perfectly fine enough to be pissed off
peak escarp
The few bodies recovered of those he kills are pale, empty husks drained of life, their cells showing signs of intense degradation.
peak escarp
yes, but we don't have an explanation of how
raven sluice
Good enough for me
cerulean ice
i think its just transfering the cells of one to his
peak escarp
!!shitposting @placid mantle
twilit nacelleBOT
@placid mantle Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
placid mantle
covert echo
i think its just transfering the cells of one to his
So does he have to kill then to maintain his form?
cerulean ice
he doesnt necessarily have to
since it regenerates on his own
i could be wrong though, correct me
calm sail
We will get a lot more lore in campaign
limpid agate
since it regenerates on his own
@cerulean ice We don't know this, exactly.
They use the word regenerate in his bio, but in a different context.
limpid agate
Wraith Form is just him degenerating himself into a gaseous form.
We have seen him escape from injuries or potential fatalities with it, but not heal outright.
cerulean ice
huh?
because she woke up after mccree unlocked her shell or something
2 years prior to the current crisis
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Yeah in the Reunion animated short Mccree reactivated her
cerulean ice
she was asleep for whatever reason
it might be in the origin story but i didnt look
why was she sleeping
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She was in a US military transport
proud pike
After Dr. Liao's death, overwatch froze the project and placed it in quarantine, not wanting to finish the project without the founder @cerulean ice
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Since the train that was exploded had the US army logo on it
proud pike
The train was transporting her for maintenance to one of the government bases
As I remember*
raven sluice
So if Genji could just 1v1 that robot in zero hour, why didnât he do it?
I mean yeah everyone needs screen time, but I would just be hacking and slashing that thing pieces if I was Genji
cerulean ice
shush.
slender hound
big oof
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This isn't a lore explanation but every one needed some screen time and they wanted to make hoodie Genji cool edgy
It was more of a marketing thing that a lore thing imo
Also technically Tracer did the killing Blow on the Null Sector titian, Genji just deflected it's projectiles to damage it and cut off its fingers
They did try to make it seem like a team take down
rain star
i saw earlier chat on reaper, just wanna point out soldier thinks he has a biotic agent in his shotgun shells
America: slightly stronger boyz
Russia: big fuck you mechs
South Korea: drones OH FUCK AI GONE BAD so plan B gamers
Eygpt: 360 No scope time
Germany: FOR THE EMPEROR PURGE THE HERETIC MECHINES!!!
Moon: lol chimps
@supple badge this is a very accurate summary of how the world coped with the omnicrisis
rain star
yes but that post was just comedical which is why i quoted
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Where do you think the Null Sector mainly operate? They gotta have some factory or Omnium building those armies and command ships that attack the cities
peak escarp
probably out of their command ships
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But where do you think the command ships themselves are made
Those things are massive
rain star
are we blowing up the omnics home on attack on kings row, or are we blowing up an omnium?
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And basically have mini factories in them
are we blowing up the omnics home on attack on kings row, or are we blowing up an omnium?
@rain star blowing up their home with a EMP
The underoworld isn't the UK Omnium
rain star
i think the command ships might come from the omnium in korean sea, same one that makes gwishin
@supple badge thats bigsad
peak escarp
Null Sector isn't related to the Gwishin
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The Gwishin itself is basically it's own entity/ "faction"
rain star
just an idea, it doesn't seem so crazy to me since the gwishin omnics seem very adaptable
and its still an omnium
maybe since command ships apparently have a factory onboard they create their own parts then touch down somewhere and have the omnics they make create another ship from the parts
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I don't think that'll be possible even with OW's universes technology
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I don't think the Null Sector command ships are self replicating
Also the Null Sector still have nothing to do with the Gwishin
rain star
well then what do you think?
im spitballing ideas here
maybe there is a limited number of ships bc they come from a destroyed omnium?
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I think the Null Sector have to be based somewhere and have access to Omnic levels of technology
They also needed add from Talon
peak escarp
there are other omniums out there
rain star
oh, i guess they could be w/ talon
peak escarp
we dont know the location/status of all the omniums in existence
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The Australian one is out of commission
rain star
well that kinda leaves me hanging
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We know that
rain star
i think they decommisioned russion omnium too right? with big fuck you mechs?
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The ALF destroyed it turning the outback into a radioactive wasteland
peak escarp
the Australian one is broken, the ones in Siberia, Nigeria and the East China Sea are still active
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And the Russian one seemingly reactivated
rain star
ok
peak escarp
and there are others we don't know about
rain star
i know the one that makes the gwishin is actually in the sea(underwater?) so there could be lots
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Nigeria's Omnium produced the OR series of Automatons
peak escarp
yes
rain star
ok
rain star
which one made bastions? or was that all of them
peak escarp
we dont know
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And the fact the good Doomfist shut it down
rain star
i didn't know there was a good doomfist
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Presumably given how common the Bastion units were all of them made Bastions as frontline fodder
peak escarp
the first Doomfist was a war hero
rain star
imagine if gameplay=lore
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Yeah before the Doomfist we play as there was two more
peak escarp
second and third were criminals
peak escarp
yeah, not much is known about the first
rain star
if gameplay=lore bastions would have won in like 10 mins
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Yeah the First Doomfist shut down the Nigerian Omnium
rain star
where did or 15s come from in that other pve event then
i forget whether it was archives or anivversary
peak escarp
Archives
rain star
ok
peak escarp
those were OR14s
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OR-15's were Orisas predecessor
peak escarp
yes
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So yes
peak escarp
Orisa was an OR15
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They were Numbani's original defender's
rain star
does that make orisa an OR 16?
peak escarp
no
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Orisa is her own thing
peak escarp
she's an OR15-A
rain star
ok
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She isn't mass produced
peak escarp
or rather, they worked backwards - orishas are African protection deities
so they probably came up with Orisa first, then turned it into OR15 for the bots
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Orisa was released before Doomfist so yes
iron plume
Out of universe it was Orisa first and OR-numbers later
In universe it was coincidentally close since OR-15s were already a thing, but Efi added the A rather than a 16 or whatever to call her Orisa
iron plume
They probably didn't
we just only saw the ones that started at 14
The others were pre-OC models most likely
or not revealed/sold/mass made until the 14th iteration
arctic reef
How does kanye fit into the universe?
iron plume
He doesn't
iron plume
There's been no mention of Kanye anywhere in Overwatch
if he exists, he exists in the same way as IRL, as a music artist around early 21st century
arctic reef
Kanye is my favorite rapist
desert yarrow
erhm
iron plume
alright that confirms it
arctic reef
what
iron plume
!!shitposting @arctic reef pls
twilit nacelleBOT
@arctic reef Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
arctic reef
what is shitposting?
iron plume
This.
arctic reef
Im not good with american words so sorry
iron plume
The channel is for serious discussion related to Overwatch lore
You are not making a discussion related to Overwatch lore, much less a serious one
arctic reef
what is a lore?
iron plume
Stories, characters, worldbuilding
arctic reef
How do you build a planet?
peak escarp
it's just a phrase, not literally building a planet
arctic reef
o ok thanks
peak escarp
it means to create the rules and setting of the world the game is set in
grand thicket
What do Roadhog and Junkrat have to do with Overwatch? Where they hunted by Overwatch or somethin?
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They have nothing to do with Overwatch
They are just two Criminals who want money and destruction
grand thicket
ok thanks
terse oar
A lot of the heroes arenât actually related to OW (at least, not currently)
We may see them become related in the OW2 campaign though 
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And in the OW2 gameplay trailer we see him hangout in Watchpoint Gibraltar
peak escarp
some others I can see teaming up for just that mission (like D.Va), but not joining permanently
terse oar
Naw your good
It really depends on how they progress the story for some heroes
Like Sym could join if they do the whole âVishkarâs with Talonâ thing
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Soldier and Ana will probably only show up for one or two missions
terse oar
Itâs hard to tell if theyâll show up at all honestly
But my guess is itâll be a sort of âfunny running into you hereâ mission if they do
wicked geode
man do y'all think theyre gonna release a talon archives mission
kinda crave more talon content
terse oar
For the Archives event specifically, we wonât be getting a new mission since theyâre focusing OW2
wicked geode
so much talon lore is just implied
terse oar
But in the OW2 campaign, hopefully they will have a Talon story
terse oar
Maybe not initially since itâs focusing on Neo OW, but maybe as an expansion
wicked geode
blegh
terse oar
Probably not paid if thatâs why you say âbleghâ lol
Blizzard doesnât typically do paid DLC
wicked geode
no that's not what I was thinkin
just that it'd be a long ass time before they release anything in that case
chu left too, right? wonder if that's gonna impact the lore direction much
terse oar
True, but Iâm sure the initial campaign will keep us occupied
Yes, Michael Chiu left
wicked geode
they said the writing was more or less done for ow iirc
do they have a new lead writer for ow2
terse oar
They probably do, but I donât think itâs public
Either that, or Michael Chu finished the writing for OW2 then left
wicked geode
hmmm
proud pike
Now there will be a question similar to shitpost.... But I'm really interested. Is it possible to use a fan against a Reaper in gaseous form?
It's kind of logical
proud pike
terse oar
He can still control the smoke (I mean, he is the smoke) so you probably canât just blow him away
peak escarp
do they have a new lead writer for ow2
@wicked geode they have several people working on the narrative design team
I think Jeff said there is a new lead for that team during the recent reddit AMA, but I don't remember his name
Gavin something, I think
raven sluice
Talon wants to start wars
Can I ask why thatâs taken so damn long?
First off, talons inner council alone could take down a whole country in a week
And thatâs without factoring their kick ass army
And even without them, talon has one of the most powerful hackers, if not, the most powerful hacker since creation of the world
worthy rose
And a powerful undead being