#lore-discussion

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wanton

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Widow is their puppet

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wontons are dumplings

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Sombra is mostly a gun for hire

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Sombra does her own thing

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They brain washed Widow

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And touchered her

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And experimented on her

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Widowmaker was the wife of an Overwatch agent tasked with taking down Talon

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they kidnapped her and turned her into a sleeper agent to murder him

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when he was dead, they took her back and conditioned her (mentally and physically) into the perfect sniper

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now she feels no emotion and only takes pleasure in killing

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She's not 100% good at her job

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She missed a headshot on Volskia and didn't kill Ana

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But that's plot armour

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the Volskaya mission was sabotaged by Sombra

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and she thought she killed Ana

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she did kill Mondatta and others

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she's Talon's deadliest assassin

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I'd say the real deadliest assassin is the Talon Assassin in the archives mission

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I've been killed by her more times then a Widowmaker

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And I've played the game for four years

peak escarp
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those assassins are conditioned and modied like Widowmaker too

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But they like stabby stabby instead of shooty shooty

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BTW why aren't the other Talon Snipers purple

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If I was Talon I'd be mass producing as many Widows as possible

peak escarp
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maybe all the other attempts failed

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maybe there are others and we just haven't seen them

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I'm just saying it would have been a cool detail if the Talon snipers were purple

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Or at least some

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Because it'll show Talon are willing to do these terrible things to so many people

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we dont know the in-universe reason

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but the out of universe reason is that widowmaker is a hero on the roster and the others arent

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she needs to be unique in design

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same reason why bap's talon skin doesnt look exactly like a talon trooper

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I assumed Baptistes Talon skin is what Talon combat medics look like

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Just give him a helmet and bam

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Nameless Talon Combat Medic

lament prawn
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if they had to make a talon combat medic design in the future, it probably wouldnt look 1:1 exactly like bap

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it could take inspiration from that to make him fit in, but making it exactly the same wouldnt be optimal design-wise

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widow's talon skin isnt what a talon sniper looks like either, and thats good

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otherwise she'd just look generic

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Actually fun fact about Widows Talon skin

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They wasn't the first design of her Talon skin

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They were originally going to use her "Lagcy" comic design

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The one where she had white armour and was still purple

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FORTNITE

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raven sluice
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Waaait

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@lament prawn it helps her aim? She shoots down projectiles??

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Like, all of them

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I call bs

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This is a universe with intelligent animals and Anarchist Aussies

raven sluice
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But that’s science

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A gamer girl who can shoot down rockets isn't that unrealistic

raven sluice
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So let’s take, let’s say, whole hog, for instance

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Mhm

raven sluice
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You know how many bullets fire from that thing?

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In bursts?

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And d.va just shoots them all down?

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Yes

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Ingame yes

raven sluice
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128 pellets per second

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In lore she might miss a few but she'll shoot em all down

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That’s 64 bullets per thumb, each second

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She's got good APM

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If you told me there was genetic modification for dva to enhance combat capabilities, I would believe you

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But as far as I know, that doesn’t exist

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No

raven sluice
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But... WHY

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How

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And that’s not all

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D.va is really good at gaming thats why

raven sluice
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How the hell do you shoot down gravity

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Thats not canon

raven sluice
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Oh

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That's a gameplay mechanic

raven sluice
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I get that one

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In lore she can only shoot bullets and missiles

raven sluice
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Is lucios SOUND canon because of ow2 then?

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And other physical projectiles

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Yes Lucìos sonic gun is canon

raven sluice
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So dva can shoot down sound???

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He stole it from Viskar

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No

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Ingame she can

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In lore she cannot

raven sluice
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Ok then, here’s something canon

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why do people try making sense of things in this game

raven sluice
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Nothing else better to do

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Because its funny

raven sluice
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How about the fact that dva survived a fall in the ocean from at least a couple hundred feet up

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plot armor

raven sluice
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Falling on the ocean is like landing on asphalt

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Plot armour

raven sluice
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Fuck me man

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And if they killed off D.va I'd be livid

raven sluice
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I mean they aren’t, but ok she survived

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Also Plot armour rarely annoys me

raven sluice
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There’s no way that all she would have is a broken leg

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I'm a 40k fan

clear nest
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dva still broke a leg though, and iirc spent a week or two in the hospital

raven sluice
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Just one tho??

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And that has a shit ton of Plot armour

raven sluice
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From that height, she should be in a fucking body cast

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Also Overwatchs medical technology is extremely advanced

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raven sluice
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She isn’t affiliated with overwatch

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I don't mean Overwatch as in the group

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I mean Overwatch as in the universe

raven sluice
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So like, speed healing or some shit?

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Not speed healing exactly

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She did spend a week in the hospital

raven sluice
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But from that high up?

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Again

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Suspend your disbelief

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why are you trying to make sense of this

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Hyper intelligent animals

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Purple French woman

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dva survived because she’s important to the story

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Also people would be Livid if she died

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theres not much else to say

raven sluice
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Not to mention she almost certainly hit the maximum velocity on her free fall

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Plot armour

raven sluice
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She also caught some of the explosion too

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What the fuck

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I’m done

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Overwatchs world is weird

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What more do you want

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Just ignore those parts

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Soldier 76 survived a point blank Reaper shotgun blast

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You wanted Dva to die?

raven sluice
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No

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She’s the most played tank for me

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Know what, I need to find something else

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clear nest
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Okay why don't we talk about the small details of Overwatches world

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That make us happy

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I personally like how most of the Cars Hover

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It's a cute detail

raven sluice
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So, how does one explain a rework in the overwatch world

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?

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like a character rework?

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That has no lore explanation

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Take Symmetra for example

raven sluice
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Yeah like hanzo is with a friend or some shit and says “yeah dude, my scatter dissapeared, but I have an insane long jump for whatever reason”

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She can basically do anything with her Hard light tech

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lots of abilities aren’t canon

raven sluice
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Dva I could get is like a meks upgrade

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Meka

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Rez isn't canon

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or, they work differently than in game

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take rez for example

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Discord and harmony aren't canon

raven sluice
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Yeah but scatter arrow is canon and storm arrow and long jump isn’t

clear nest
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it doesn’t actually revive people

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Storm Arrow probably isn't canon

raven sluice
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But scatter is

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Yes it is

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And Hanzo can still use it in lore

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Not ingame

raven sluice
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I hate this game sometimes

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Ingame and in lore are very driffent

limpid agate
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Rez is canon, but it doesn't bring back the dead.

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Mercy used it in Zero Hour on Mei

raven sluice
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It is?

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Oh

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So is it like a car jumpstart?

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Huh I did wonder what that was

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Heal rub I shall call it

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Or heal pat

raven sluice
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Stop

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No

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or, they work differently than in game
when you’re ignored

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Need Zen lore

raven sluice
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I like to think zen isn’t canon because we know so little

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Zenyatta is canon

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He's mentioned in Genji's backstory and makes a cameo in the Christmas comic

raven sluice
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Eh yeah

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!!zenlore

twilit nacelleBOT
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Zenyatta will be featured in Overwatch 2. He is in India for a currently unknown reason.

low brook
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!!zenlore

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There, now I can stop rewriting it every time someone posts about Zen lore

raven sluice
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!!hanzolore

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Why India?

raven sluice
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Because why not

limpid agate
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for a currently unknown reason

clear nest
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currently unknown reason

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I thought that cutscene was in Napeal

limpid agate
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It wasnt

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Napal*

raven sluice
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You wanna try again

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Nepal**

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Fuck me

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There we go

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India huh

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Symmetra boss fight

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That would be cool

raven sluice
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I’ve heard theories that ow is just a simulation

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Run by Athena

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It isnt

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No

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Some events in Multiplayer are canon

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Kinda

limpid agate
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Athena wouldn't even know some of the characters like Hammond or Sigma exist. She also wouldn't know things like Reyes is Reaper.

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The Doomfist Numbani stuff is canon

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He ruined the air port

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And stole the Doomfist from the payload

raven sluice
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I mean Winston knows hammond exists

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You are correct about sigma tho

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But as of now he doesn't know he's mucking about in Australia

raven sluice
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There are interactions

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He doesn’t know about Australia specifically tho

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Most interactions aren't that canon

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In the actual story they haven't met yet

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Well

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Got back together

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Some internations are more canon than others

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The maps themselves are canon for obvious reasons, but the fights are not.

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For example, the objective of Route 66 is to deliever the weapons cache to Deadlock's base

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The problem is, we already saw what happened there in Reunion.

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And Echoes now empty pod

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As for interactions, there is a bit of confusion over them

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They are not canon, in the sense that the conversations literally happened. But they represent canon, showing character's history, personality, and relations

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Junkertown you push the bomb cart to the queens throne to kill her via explosions

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For example, Reinhardt and D.Va never met.

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But their interaction shows that Reinhardt is a fan of hers.

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And Torbs a WOW player

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What

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I hope that interaction is still in the game

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Wow World of Warcraft

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I know what WoW is

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It's a Torb and D.va interaction

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There is no interaction about that

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Never was

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There was

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Never was.

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There was

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Then find it

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Okay

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But I am telling you, it never existed.

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Here are all of their interactions:

Torbjörn: *laughs* Any chance you'd let me peek under the hood of your mech?
D.Va: Hey! Hands off!

Torbjörn: Whoever built your mech did a good job. None of that AI mess.
D.Va: Well, if you wanna give me some upgrades, I'm all ears!

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Which reminds me, I should update the wiki for the new interactions in the last patch

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If you’re talking about Torbjorns “For the Horde/For the Alliance!” voicelines, those are purely promotional

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Those are not an interaction

terse oar
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That’s the only thing WoW I could think of

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Because like you said, there are no interactions

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I'm now questioning my sanity

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I remember that interaction so vividly

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I guess I'm just fkn dumb

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Nvm I was wrong

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And wiki updated

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I believe that is every interaction

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Damn

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I need to reflect on my memories really quick

peak escarp
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think of the matches and interactions like playing with action figures

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think of the matches and interactions like playing with action figures
@peak escarp that's actually a good way of thinking about it

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a dev described it like that once, but I haven't been able to find that interview again

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think it is a blizzcon FAQ section

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I wonder what it was like during the Kings Row Uprising

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It must of been scary

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Being hunted down by Omnics

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It also must of been shocking at how fast they took the city and set up AA guns

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Null Sector was there for 27 days by the time Overwatch mobilized.

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They did a lot in a month

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Still if you were just some random civilian you'd be gunned down or captured and held hostage

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By the Null Sector

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most likely dead

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there may not be food supply and such

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and really omnic wont care about food

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so it is cannibalism days at worst. Though probably not that yet, humans can survive without food for a few weeks fine.

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Now water on the other hand.

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Didn't a news report or Tracers narration say hundreds died?

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If omnics took control of an entire megacity for 30 days with the intent of killing all the humans then there'd be nothing left

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It'd be a pile of smoking rubble and everyone would be dead

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bruh yall seen those bastions and the orisa omnics

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They didn't kill everyone

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i would not say they go genocide mode

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They took hostages remember

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They also would of killed non Null Sector aligned Omnics

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since if there are definitely no humans in the area then they know people would attack them without hesitation

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Because the Cutscene showed them capturing humans and Omnics

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i guess their approach is that they dont care if the humans make it or not

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kill some for fun and whatever maybe

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Why do robots take hostages

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the rest they just herd and lock up and let them be whatever it is

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Because most of their hostages were people in power

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without hostage people would just nuke the area and be done with it

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Mondatta was one of them

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like massive emp

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but robots would act out of self preservation and conclude that killing all humans would be the best course of action

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nope

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having hostage would be the right tactical move for them, omnic not dumb

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It wouldn't be that deep lol, there would be no hostages or anything

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there is literally a mision about delivering emp bomb to kings row dude

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Yeah but the omnics are AIs which can upgrade hardware at a faster rate than humans so why would they even care about hostages

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they have no use for them

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they are not many

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not lots of NS troop

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this is a small terrorist omnic group not an army

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Also wasn't Null Sector smaller then it is today since they reused Omnic Crisis technology

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hostages can be used to bargain out land and shit

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just saying

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Especially if they are the mayor and a influential religious leader

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and

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don't they make their soldiers?

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wouldn't that be considered like child soldiers?

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I assume the basics Null Trooper was a ordinary Omnic who updated their body with the standard Null Sector template

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Which would later be replaced by the Nullifier drones

low brook
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during the omnic crisis they made their soldiers in the omniums

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right?

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Yes

low brook
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i'm just confusing myself rn bc robots don't change

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They mass produced Bastions and titians and tanks and OR-14's

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And Bastion hats

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lol bastion hats

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Fun fact About Bastions hat in OW2 it was Torbjiörn's old hat he wore during Uprising

cerulean ice
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rlly wholesome

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Father and daughter

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^

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its lindholm

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and reinhardt is her "uncle"

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they are not blood related

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but torb and rein have been friends for a long time before overwatch was created with mercy

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in germany

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/eichanwalde

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godfather, is what its called

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yeah

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thats what i meant sorry

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Doesn't Torb have 17 kids not counting Brig

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I think they might be grandkids, because I’m pretty sure brig is the youngest, but I’m not completely sure about it though

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Youngest as in youngest of her siblings

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Assuming she has some

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I’m not sure

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She does

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We don't know how many kids he has exactly but it's probably not 17
Brigitte is the youngest child, and the other kids in Reflections are grandchildren

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Awwwww

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There goes all my torb baby jokes

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At least I still have the Ult ones

urban sierra
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I need zen lore, all we know is stuff taken from his interactions

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The Null Sector drop pods look cosy

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But when compared to the Bastions drop bods they are incredibly inefficient

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The Omnic Crisis Bastion Drop pods could hold up to 9 Bastions where the Null Sectors can only hold up to 1 Null Trooper

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See you can fit 9 Bastions in the Omnic crisis drop pod

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!!zenlore @urban sierra

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Zenyatta will be featured in Overwatch 2. He is in India for a currently unknown reason.

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YAY

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I love how there’s a command purely for zen lore

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Zen lore is just a meme at this point

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Its probably so people will stop asking

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Also no one wanted to talk about Omnic Drop pods with me

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What was there to discuss though

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You gave the correct facts and sources

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Yeah I own the Overwatch art book

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I remember reading it at a book fair

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You see I have a problem obsessing over small details in the OW universe

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Understandable

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Like you can probably make me talk about the Cars in Overwatch for horus

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The only car with wheels is in Uprising

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All the other cars float lol

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That was a APC and yeah Tbh I hoped the Junkertown cars had wheels

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Do they even use cars in Junkertown

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Obviously we know Junkrat and Roadhog have a motorcycle

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Yeah there's a few broken down cars by the gate and in the Town itself there's two parked to the sides

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Oh yeah

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I remember now

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It would have been a cool touch to give them wheels

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Maybe they do have wheels

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I don't remember atm

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The van on the second point by the stairs floats I think

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Also no one wanted to talk about Omnic Drop pods with me
@supple badge our Bastion seems to have been dropped in a solo pod, not one of these group ones

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That would explain his driffent colour scheme

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Maybe he was a special unit

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I haven’t thought about that actually...

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Why is he white compared to the others who are red?

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Maybe he was a command unit

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Like a relay device and thus was given a little extra free will by the Omnics/God AI

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But since they are gone his true free will has taken over

peak escarp
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you can see the frame of it around Bastion in The Last Bastion

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Yes I remember seeing that in the art book

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It also had a paragraph about how his pod malfunctioned

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and he's not white

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he's faded orange

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Bastion's default skin in the game is probably after being taken in and repainted by Torbjorn

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His Origins skin is faded Orange (his look in the Last Bastion)

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but Bastion's appearance in The Last Bastion looks like the Omnic Crisis skin left out in the elements for 15 years

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I'm guessing his white and green colours were never canon

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Because after hanging out with Torb he gets a completely new body

peak escarp
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But then again in the gameplay trailer for OW2 he used his classic design and colours

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He wasn't Bastion hat yet

peak escarp
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there's some indications in the interactions that Torbjorn has already started work on Bastion

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this line was added after the Ironclad passive was given to Bastion

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indicating that Torbjorn is the reason for its new armor

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My guess Torbjiörn is just hiding him in his Workshop since all of Sweden freaked when there was only one wondering about

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Well a small town...

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yeah

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I can see why the devs are constantly using "he" instead of "it" for Bastion - it's just unnatural to refer to a character as "it"

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theres not rlly any feminine aspects of him either AFrog

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Yeah unlike Orisa who looks feminine without being a hourglass Bastion does kinda look like a dude

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I think Zenyatta is more masculine looking than Bastion. Bastion just kinda looks like a box.

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Imma guy and I like boxes

cerulean ice
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i mean you wouldnt call bastion a she would you

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a lot of people do

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because of Ana

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Not really again he looks masculine

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Its like WallE and EvE

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Without looking human you can tell what gender they are

peak escarp
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she uses the feminine form of her Arabic voice lines when using them on Bastion, because Arabic uses the feminine for objectes, I think

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and Arabic doesn't have a gender neutral case

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What about his bird

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Is Ganymede female?

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based on the plumage, probably male

cerulean ice
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no confirmation

peak escarp
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male birds tend to be more brightly coloured

cerulean ice
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dont female birds build the nest or something

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ganymede does that

peak escarp
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depends on the species

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oh its male

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I'm not a Bird scientist

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in some species the male bird makes the nest to attract a mate

cerulean ice
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its male.

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Do we know what species Ganymede is?

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Is he a real kind of Bird?

terse oar
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Or is it just “bird”

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I think it's based of a real species

peak escarp
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nah, it's made up

cerulean ice
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it isnt actually based on some threads ive seen

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closest is yellow cardinal

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ig

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Ganymede is a ganymede

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I think

cerulean ice
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ganymede isnt a species

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lol

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its a name

terse oar
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From the gamepedia, the animation of Ganymede was based off a Blizzard artist’s pet parrot... neat

peak escarp
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also either Ganymede has lived much longer than the average songbird (15 years+), or "Ganymede" isn't just one bird

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Who named his bird?

cerulean ice
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blizzard ig AFrog

autumn veldt
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Bastion doesn't speak English and none of the characters mention it

cerulean ice
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id like to believe torb named it

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in universe, I would guess Brigitte or one of the other Lindholms

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Is Ganymede a Swedish name?

cerulean ice
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never heard of it

terse oar
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Ganymede is Greek

cerulean ice
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its a moon of a jupiter

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Oh yeah

cerulean ice
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autumn veldt
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Me and the boys playing compC9 C9 C9 C9 C9 C9 C9 C9 C9 C9 C9 C9 C9 C9 C9

terse oar
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This is kinda of a stretch, but Ganymede could maybe be a Yellowhammer

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No idea what that is but ok

cerulean ice
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its a stretch AFrog

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It’s a bit darker than Ganymede though

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yeah, not quite

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It's a type of bird

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@autumn veldt

peak escarp
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I think Ganymede is a made-up species with traits of various birds

terse oar
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Probably

autumn veldt
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I guess

peak escarp
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it's got the shape and crest of a cardinal, but the wrong colours

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It's native to Germany

cerulean ice
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and that

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Does that give any leads

terse oar
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It could probably be explained as adaptation and natural cross breeding

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We can narrow it down to German birds

peak escarp
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the colours are closer to a goldfinch

autumn veldt
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Dont do that

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Remember this is in the future

peak escarp
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Ganymede is more green than yellow

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Wait

peak escarp
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Damn my eyes are failing me

terse oar
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Gold finch doesn’t have enough white though

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Or the orange accents on the tail/wings

autumn veldt
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Tbh now it looks like a regular yellow bird that did a fusion dance with a goldfish

terse oar
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Lol

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Damn this is harder than I thought

peak escarp
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there isn't a bird that has all those traits

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like I said, Ganymede is an amalgam of different bird species

autumn veldt
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This is in the future so its obviously made up

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Ganymede's species doesn't exist

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What about Winston what kind of Gorilla is he

autumn veldt
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Harambe

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I wanna say Silverback but that might be wrong

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Harambe
@autumn veldt based

terse oar
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We don’t know where he comes from do we?

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Before the colony

autumn veldt
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Well where do you get gorillas

terse oar
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That still doesn’t narrow it down enough lol

peak escarp
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silverback isn't a species, it's an age category

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I'm not a Monke scientist

cerulean ice
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its a monkey, it doesnt matter AFrog

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I mean scientist scientist lol

peak escarp
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there's Eastern Gorillas (Gorilla berengei) and Western Gorillas (Gorilla gorilla)

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its a monkey, it doesnt matter AFrog
@cerulean ice yes AnaKEK

peak escarp
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he's probably a western gorilla

sleek jackal
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It could be a type of (bird) evolution? since this is pretty far into the future.

peak escarp
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and would probably be a silverback, by his age

cerulean ice
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seems more logical

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Winston would live longer than your average gorilla because of genetic modification and plot relevance

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Also killing Winston and Hammond because of Old age would suck

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yes

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they will live as long as the plot needs them to

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If ima be honest I don't wanna see any of the playable OW characters die

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Even the ones I hate

cerulean ice
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seeing important characters dying is interesting

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I know

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But it'll feel wrong

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Wouldn't be the same

terse oar
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I feel like at least one character will die

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i lack empathy ig

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i dont mind anyone dying

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i lack empathy ig
@cerulean ice being this edgy AnaKEK

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no AFrog

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if characters exist to server a movie or series then its fine there, but overwatch is a franchise built around heroes that's supposed to live on for at least the next decade+

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Radical

lament prawn
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killing off someone on the main roster right now wouldnt be worth the single emotional scene

terse oar
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Blizzard games do tend to that last long

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Except for HotS...

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We don't talk about Blizzard smash

cerulean ice
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besides, the story will be like what. hours long or something, how can someone not die

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killing off someone on the main roster right now wouldnt be worth the single emotional scene
@lament prawn I agree

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you dont need someone to die for a good story

terse oar
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I think an NPC will die

cerulean ice
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of course

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but its interesting

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I wouldn't mind seeing a NPC die

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NPC's succ

lament prawn
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and OW2's story wont go from start to finish at launch either, it'll have a full campaign on launch, but more missions will be added regularly after that

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overwatch's story doesnt end with overwatch 2's launch

cerulean ice
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no ofc not, thats stupid

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considering this game is dying

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and monthly hero release would be nc aswell

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to keep the hype

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Insert game is dying

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Outrage gaming YouTuber

peak escarp
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it's not dying

cerulean ice
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not literally.

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its still popular yes but not as the other games rn

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its just

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but the "other games" are the ones recently released

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or smthing

cerulean ice
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at the bottom of the list

desert yarrow
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OW is like 4 yrs old

cerulean ice
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i think

desert yarrow
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so its doing fine

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New game comes out

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MY FAVOURITE GAME IS DEAD

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OH GOD

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GOD WHHHHHHY

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still sad to think the ow2 will be left with just pvp when it ends

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excluding dlc or any other extra content for story

peak escarp
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"when it ends"?

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what

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"overwatch 2 is just a pvp game, when you exclude the pve"

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i mean, not wrong but uh

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why are we excluding that

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Overwatch 2 is like a overpriced PvE DLC expansion pack

cerulean ice
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i mean the story

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..ends

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They should of sold it like a DLC IMO

cerulean ice
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like no more pve content

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They'll add more

cerulean ice
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yes

lament prawn
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it's gonna be updated regularly

cerulean ice
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and when it ends, theres no more

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There's also arcade PvE

peak escarp
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if they keep adding more, it won't end

desert yarrow
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but the story cant go on forever

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Aka storyless campaign

cerulean ice
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is it?

desert yarrow
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soon itll just be campaign over and over

peak escarp
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not forever

desert yarrow
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once ppl start speed running stuff

peak escarp
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but for a while

lament prawn
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overwatch lore/story wont end if the franchise is still being supported

peak escarp
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Blizzard games have longevity

cerulean ice
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yes, for a while

peak escarp
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WoW is how old?

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and still gets story updates

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Decades

terse oar
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Even if the main story ends, they could always add side stories

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Yes

cerulean ice
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and that

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im just worrying too much ig

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You are

peak escarp
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it's not something that will happen any time soon

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we are just at the beginning of Overwatch's story

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everything so far has been prequel material

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I just hope the OW2 has proper boss fights and not the same repeat Ultra heavy enemy type

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True

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They need great boss fights

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Although it doesn’t seem right due to how ow story has been played

peak escarp
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based on the Null Sector concept art, there seem to be various "boss units"

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Yeah there are others omnic Characters that look like Normal Omnics

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The fat one
The one with the scythe
And the evil Zenyatta

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The fat one
The one with the scythe
And the evil Zenyatta

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Oh yeah nvm then

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Will make for some great boss fights

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Okay asides from the units we see in the demo what do you think the other units will do

slender hound
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I have not seen the demo which bots?

peak escarp
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the demo mostly showed off the flying ones and the big guy

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Ima scible out the bots that were in the demo and and we can talk about the ones that weren't in the demo

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I kinda want to fight the boss from zero hour tho. You think they made more than one?

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the demo mostly showed off the flying ones and the big guy
@peak escarp also the basic troooers (Nullifiers)

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yeah but we've already seen those

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I meant new units

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Yeah

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My bad :/

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The one top right

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Okay all the guys I scribbled over in red are the units we've seen in the Demo

slender hound
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The one that is flying

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Probably ranged

harsh carbon
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lore

slender hound
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:/

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Isn't us talking about the OW2 null sector robots lore?

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yeah

peak escarp
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it's lore adjacent

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These guys are canon

peak escarp
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I just mean, it's more gameplay related since there isn't much lore about them to discuss

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Do you think destroying the command ship shuts down the lesser models (Nullifiers, Skirmishers ect) while more traditional fully aware Omnics stay online

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hard to say

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we don't know how omnic command works

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I assume given the simple behaviour of the Nullifiers they are linked to the command ship and a group of more traditional humanoid Omnics or a AI in the ship itself commands the units but once this link is cut they shut down

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If I had control of the lore, I would make the reason zenyatta floats is because he’s deathly afraid of the ground

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Zenyatta floats because his Vibe is in another level

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Or it's Anti gravity tech

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Yes

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He has best vibe

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Who do you think has the saddest backstory?

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Reaper

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He believes he was betrayed and now has to live in a miserable existence in constant agony

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Forever and eternally

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I gotta feel bad for Sigma

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Mans mind was literally shattered into pieces and is now being used as a weapon against his will

worthy rose
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Better than having your body constantly decay

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Not really

worthy rose
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And feeling betrayed by your friends

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Reaper is aware

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Reaper knows what's what

worthy rose
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And it's eternal agony since he's immortal

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Sigma isn't

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Sigma had his sanity broken by something incomprehensible

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And is now basically a glorified weapon for Talon

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One of his voicelines after he kills someone is "What is this violence?"

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So he isn't all there

worthy rose
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At least he's gonna die one day.Reaper is immortal and will bear the agony forever and ever

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This is true

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Kinda

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As far as I've read nothing says Reaper is immortal

worthy rose
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Pretty sure he is

urban sierra
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Reapers case is like tracers, his matter can come apart, but as we see in the shorts he can be hurt. And at some point he was dying

worthy rose
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The wiki even said he was vaporized

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Where on the wiki?

worthy rose
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Reaper s page

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Where on Reapers page

worthy rose
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It's on the recall section

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It didn't say he was vaporized but it said he was incinerated

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What zapped by Winstons gun?

urban sierra
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I couldnt fund anything on reaper being immortal

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I just rewatched that scene

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Weird

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Oh... you're back

urban sierra
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Well vaporized just means turned into gas, so thats just one of his abilities

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So yeah he was but he is killable

frosty shell
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They never say in lore he was incinerated

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The idea of Winston vaporising people is weird

frosty shell
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He was badly injured in some unspecified way

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I completely forgot that moment in Recall

urban sierra
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Moira did extensive testing on reaper

frosty shell
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Being zapped by Winston's gun just electrocutes you

urban sierra
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But the initial trauma was never told about

frosty shell
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it doesn't vaporize you

urban sierra
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But he can vaporize himself

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Winston just has a tesla coin basically

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The moment isn't betrayed well

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Instead of Reaper going poof they should of made him Wraith away while being shocked

slender hound
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shoked?

urban sierra
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In the recall short

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Yeah its during the final part

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Winston grabs his weapon and zaps Reaper and he goes poof

urban sierra
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I mean in the short thats what his wraith form is, but for the sake of gameplay they had to make him more figured

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But in the Infiltration he uses his Wraiths form like in Gameplay as he moves to strangle that Russian Soldier and to go through the door

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Also fun fact about that animated Short

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Widowmaker was originally going to be in her Winter skin for it

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You know that one thats her classic suit but its white and blue

urban sierra
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Yeah

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he also turns completely into smoke in the same short

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he isnt limited to just the gameplay version of wraith

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Alright guys I have a good question

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Whats your favourite animated short

slender hound
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yes

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dragons

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Or shorts if you can't pick one

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I like the Junkertown one

slender hound
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Im going to watch that rn

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whats the name?

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But if I had to choose a one the main ones

lament prawn
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zero hour, but it wouldnt hit the same without previous shorts building up to it

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Overwatch Junkertown the plan

slender hound
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true

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Zero Hour was good

slender hound
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zero hour is awesome

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Almost all the heroes appeared in lore via animated shorts, Comics and Archives missions

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So it did feel great seeing them all

urban sierra
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I like all of them, if they can make me cry they are good

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I like Hero

slender hound
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yes

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Mainly because it Shows Soldier being a savage

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THESE. AREN'T. YOUR. STREETS. ANY. MORE!!!!!

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That moment was so cool

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That gave me the idea that he was a more toned down punisher

urban sierra
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I cried on: last bastion, glory,dragons, rise and shine

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And a few more

slender hound
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i just watched the junk one

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ots great

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Last Bastion was a good story

slender hound
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bastion is great story

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I'm personally not a fan of Rise and Shine I feel like they could of just turned that story into a Origins video

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But I did like the story and it made me cry a little

urban sierra
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But like when you look at it, Mei is one bad bitch, she hiked fucking Antarctica

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Like dam gurl

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She is a veteran explorer

slender hound
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sweat

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I'm pretty sure she's good at survival

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But yeah that's badass

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Making your way back to civilization on your own

slender hound
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goat

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*Brigitte

slender hound
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To think some random character from a comic became a hero

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I don't like Brigitte but I gotta give her props

slender hound
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true

urban sierra
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I hope this next febuary we will get some more ow2 info or shorts

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Probably OW2 info

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Given how things are we probably won't get a short

slender hound
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yeah true

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although id assume a lot of lore will come with release of ow2

worthy rose
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What was the music called in the doomfist hero reveal trailer at 1:09 when he was fighting tracer please help

slender hound
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they shouldve released with that sig event right?

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the music for it?

worthy rose
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Yeah

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It sounded like a chant of some sort

urban sierra
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But like I really want to know what that melody is

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Like I will beg jeff

worthy rose
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About doomfist?

slender hound
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dont ask sigma

worthy rose
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Can someone help me?

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What was the music called in the doomfist hero reveal trailer at 1:09 when he was fighting tracer please help
@worthy rose Sigmas Origin

worthy rose
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It sounded like a African chant of some sort

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I would love to have it

slender hound
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waka waka eh eh

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LOL

worthy rose
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It was when he was fighting tracer

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Can u not? @slender hound

terse oar
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I don’t think Blizzard released it if they were the ones who made it

slender hound
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:/

urban sierra
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It wss as a sound bute

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Bite*

slender hound
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I do not hear the chant?

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oh i hear it

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Tracer getting wrecked by Doomfist is my favourite scene

slender hound
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Im looking but i can not seem to find it

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Especially after that one voiceline she has in Storm Rising where she's like "Is Doomfist just a guy who gives really rough handshakes"

peak escarp
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sounds like African chanting

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Guys would you Consider Doomfist a Cyborg

terse oar
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Technically yes

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I'd consider him a Cyborg since he upgrades his body with technology

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Also his legs look really robotic and his Doomfist arm is upgraded so he can use the Doomfist

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And he has a actual robot arm

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And his knuckle shotguns

golden escarp
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I thought that it was just a gauntlet cause in the short he didn't have it in prison

cosmic crest
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It is a gauntlet

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He has a prosthetic arm as well.

golden escarp
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hmm

golden escarp
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I've always wondered are the shimada brothers' dragons magic or weird advanced science

hushed jetty
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Not magic

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It's confirmed that it's not magic

golden escarp
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I wonder how only a Shimada can control the dragons. I guess it's a family secret, and how is genji able to reflect hanzo's dragons?

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It's confirmed to be Technology

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Hardlight technology

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Maybe it's a type of Tech only members of the Shimada clan know how to make

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And no other faction has access to that type of Hard light technology

hushed jetty
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I don't think that's confirmed but it's pretty heavily implied

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Thats my own personal headcanon

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Makes sense to me

golden escarp
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I like the new ult voice line for winston's werewolf skin

peak escarp
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Also his legs look really robotic
a lot of heroes have robotic looking legs, it's part of the art style

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the only hero with a prosthetic leg is Junkrat

hushed jetty
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he has a new ult line?

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And Genji

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He has two

peak escarp
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(and Sojourn appears to have both legs)

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I forgot about Genji

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Genji has no legs

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L

pulsar thunder
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Genji has legs

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Because he walks

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4head

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torb wallclimb

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must i repeat?

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TORB WALLCLIMB

proud pike
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Shitpost, bro

cerulean ice
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stop it.

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!!shitposting

twilit nacelleBOT
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Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

cerulean ice
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wait i didnt even know reinhardt was the one narrating throughout the junkenstein game AnaKEK

peak escarp
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really?

cerulean ice
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idk, i just saw it on a video title

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specifically - overwatch interactions

limpid agate
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Its supposed to be the story he tells in the comic Junkenstein

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!!loreComics

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Comics Series 1:
Train Hopper: https://bit.ly/2vaOY0I
Dragon Slayer: https://bit.ly/2GpRZRk
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
A Better World: https://bit.ly/2DeJGpK
Mission Statement: https://bit.ly/2UFLC5o
Destroyer: https://bit.ly/2XcYZ9G
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
Reflections: https://bit.ly/2IoZQkr
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Uprising: https://bit.ly/2UCymhE
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
Searching: https://bit.ly/2Gh3jy6
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2XePmHG

Tracer - London Calling:
#1: https://bit.ly/3mknXBx
#2: https://bit.ly/318GEix

Mini-Comics:
Return of Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Gqp7Z8
Yeti Hunt: https://bit.ly/2VPmxRI

terse oar
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A lot of people surprisingly don’t realize

cerulean ice
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its not very noticeable, though im aware reinhardt is the one telling the story but i thought it was just a random guy narrating

swift mason
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I kinda recognised the VA narrating, plus it does make sense because of the comic for him to do so

gusty sluice
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Its pretty obvious that reinhardt narrated junkenstein 😂

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Reinhardt has a pretty distinct voice

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Do you think Orisa and Doomfist will fight in OW2

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Or have they already in Orisas novel?

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I haven't read it yet but I don't care about spoilers since I cant get it rn

swift mason
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|| They do fight in the novel ||

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Also, the novel is great, I enjoyed reading it, I'd recommend it

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Awwwww hell yeah!

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I know some details but I haven't read it

proud pike
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Waiting for Russian translation be like: ZenDisappointed

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I really want the story mode to feel like a struggle

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you should feel like it's a struggle to defeat null sector, both in gameplay and narratively

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otherwise, you lose interest and it becomes another archives mission.

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I'm sure there'll be difficulty options

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Crank it to Legendary and that should be what your looking for

swift mason
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I think to get a true yet do-able experience, I think hard/expert mode would be ideal if there are difficulty options for the story mode

proud pike
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as far as I remember, they promised a rather hard PvE

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I like playing PvE casually just to shoot some bots so I hope it isn't ball busting

peak escarp
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Jeff said there would be a difficulty beyond Legendary

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to account for increased power from talents

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That sounds fun

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What will it be called?

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Probably nightmare, that's the cliché.

peak escarp
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probably

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or Heroic difficulty

iron plume
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Plus Ultra

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or Heroic difficulty
@peak escarp yeah that sounds like Overwatch

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Also it'll be the reverse of Halo if they make Heroic the hardest difficulty

peak escarp
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wait, this is blizzard - do they have a rarity higher than legendary?

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I think its mythic

peak escarp
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Mythic difficulty would be out of place, I think

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I like Heroic better

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Yeah Heroic would fit Overwatch

cosmic crest
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Heroic kind of sounds lesser than legendary though.

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Yeah in Halo Heroic is easier than Legendary but maybe for Overwatch they might do it the other way because well in Overwatch the classes are called heroes

hot heart
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Why Sojourn has a weird gun arm

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Not much is known about Sojourn asides she's a Cyborg and became a replacement Captain because at that point in the story Ana was "dead"

fading coyote
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The genetic mutation of winston affect your body?

He can get some human parts by mutation?

peak escarp
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what

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he's not mutated, he's genetically engineered

fading coyote
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Whatever, the same question

peak escarp
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I don't understand your question

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he doesn't have human parts

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Winston doesn't have any human parts

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The only thing that was human was his name

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Because one of his Scientist mentors was called Winston

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But asides from that he isn't mutated

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Just had his genes altered and rebuilt

fading coyote
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yes but with this genes altered only altered the brain and the capacity of think?

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don't have another secondary effects?

apart the addiction of the penautbutter

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nothing change in him body with the alteration?

peak escarp
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he's bigger and able to speak

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and can "hulk out"

hushed jetty
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is his "addiction" to peanut butter actually a side effect or was he joking in that interaction

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I think it was a joke

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Also remember he needs to take vitamins because he was raised in low and zero gravity

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It was a interaction between Winston and Mercy during Storm Rising

tulip tulip
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Overwatch has lore? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

broken oyster
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Classic joke....?

proud pike
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Shitpost

peak escarp
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that stopped being funny 4 years ago

proud pike
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That was funny?

tulip tulip
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It’s still funny!

broken oyster
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The big funny?

peak escarp
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!!loreguide

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This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL

There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz

There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE

The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC

tulip tulip
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Uh

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Give me DVas life story!

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she was a world champion esports gamer who got recruited by the Korean Army to pilot their anti-omnic mechs

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why are we humoring a troll

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boredom

tulip tulip
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I am no troll

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Just a dude who has no time to do homework for games

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well, you don't need to know the lore to enjoy the game

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it's optional

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The lore makes Symmetra bad

valid terrace
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It just adds depth to the characters

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why?

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Not for u Moscimer

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Ik lol

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The lore makes Symmetra bad
huh? lmfao

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same question

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If Reaper is in pain why is Moria not

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because Moira isn't constantly decaying

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^

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Moira’s alterations are more refined and streamlined

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She also does not have the soldier enhancements, assuming that plays a part in Reaper’s condition

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the enhancements had side effect?

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possibly

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side-effects from the genetic enhancement may be what drove Reyes to seek out Moira's help in the first place

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Me when I see Moira

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!!shitposting

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Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

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Guys

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Question

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Symmetra is autistic?

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Yes

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oh

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thx

sand barn
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Symmetra is autistic?
Where was that mentioned?

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Michael's Chu Twitter

sand barn
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Ah.

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Suck my ass juice

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!shitposting

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!!shitposting

cerulean ice
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!!shitposting

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Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

cerulean ice
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Hey guys I have a headcanon that Brigitte made Reinhardt's OW2 armour because the colours are the same as Brigittes armour and it has the ironclad logo on the left shoulder pad

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What do you guys think?

lament prawn
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that's already canon

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Awwwww yeah Visual story telling still exists

peak escarp
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Where was that mentioned?
@sand barn in the comic "A Better World"

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It was?

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Might've overlooked it

cerulean ice
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she only mentioned her spectrum

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not autism specifically

peak escarp
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it was later confirmed to a fan when they they wrote to Blizzard and asked if that meant she was autistic

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She has genuine OCD which is a common symptom for people with autism.

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Symmetra is wayyyyy more OP in the lore than she is in game

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Sad

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Yeah

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Wow that’s actually really interesting

worthy rose
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@supple badge Reaper is far more powerful than Symmetra imo

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You really like Reaper don't ya

worthy rose
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Ofc he is great and he is perfection to me

valid terrace
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Symmetra could just put him in a box

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This is like the third you hyped him up

worthy rose
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So?

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Symmetra could just put him in a box
@valid terrace this

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He's weak to beams as seen in recall

worthy rose
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What does trapping him do?

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Imagine thats how Reaper is defeated

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No zapping him

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Making him go poof everytime

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You said yourself he got vaporised