Reinhardt is just dramatic
#lore-discussion
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worthy rose
Like Reaper
raven sluice
Hold on, go to the last panel of the comic
valid terrace
It's not actually true
raven sluice
GO TO THE LAST PANEL
worthy rose
Yes
raven sluice
The window
peak escarp
it's there for the audience
hushed jetty
ohhh they did one of those
terse oar
I think that’s just a window sticker
hushed jetty
it's like an "ouuuu but what if it's real???" kind of thing
like a horror movie trope
valid terrace
Poor Reinhardt
raven sluice
I’m gonna believe it’s real because that’s funny
peak escarp
I love Ana just taking pictures
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Did Moria just go Edna mode on the suit?
@raven sluice honestly that would be incharacter for Moira
valid terrace
Maybe she's to thank for Tracer's BBQ archive
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Tracer can't be grill master
peak escarp
honestly that would be incharacter for Moira
how? Moira doesn't sew or make costumes
valid terrace
Nope
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Only Soldier can
valid terrace
there's a lot of things you don't know about me
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Moira said she was disappointed she couldn't catch the Maskerate
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there's a lot of things you don't know about me
@valid terrace also this
valid terrace
His amp matrix isn't confirmed yet afaik
terse oar
Not explained how it works though :/
raven sluice
I was thinking about specifically amp matrix and immortality field
hushed jetty
We haven't seen amp matrix yet
raven sluice
Hear me out
hushed jetty
immortality field doesn't appear to be hard light
raven sluice
So first, the amp matrix, which isn’t canon
terse oar
Immortality Field is unexplained, but we know he built it himself
valid terrace
Immortality field uses some kind of impact suppression tech
raven sluice
I was thinking it gives the bullets a layer of hard light that make them do more damage
Somehow
And for the field I was thinking it gives a protective layer of hard light that quickly regenerates whenever someone shoots at the layer
Regenerates faster than bullets
But that’s my theories
valid terrace
That's not how it worked in the story
raven sluice
How did it work?
valid terrace
He was still banged up but breathing after an explosion
raven sluice
Hmm
raven sluice
Although there is protection around your health bar
valid terrace
Yes
raven sluice
Unbreachable protection
terse oar
Yes, but what you’re proposing would block all damage
valid terrace
In lore it likely just dampens impacts but doesn't stop them like hard light would
hushed jetty
if it just dampens impacts, wouldn't a big enough impact kill you still?
or am i misunderstanding
terse oar
If that were the case, yes
valid terrace
Yes
terse oar
But I doubt it truly makes you immortal/unkillable canonically
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What are we arguing about now?
hushed jetty
we're not arguing
terse oar
Not necessarily arguing, just hypothesizing 
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Good!
raven sluice
It dampens them until a certain point but blocks it at a certain point entirely
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So you guys talking about Baptistes immortality field?
terse oar
Again, we don’t know if it truly makes you unkillable (highly likely it doesn’t)
valid terrace
Yeah
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I thought it created a barrier around the human
valid terrace
Technically yes
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Enough to save their live but not enough to stop all damage
valid terrace
But not like any we're used to
terse oar
We just know it doesn’t block all the damage, but does greatly reduce it
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Just to stop enough damage so it doesn't kill the guy but saves his life
valid terrace
It reduces incoming damage
terse oar
Side note: it also has a button
valid terrace
But if enough damage comes in, even when reduced it should kill you
hushed jetty
it has a button?
valid terrace
On the top
terse oar
That’s how it turns on
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Side note: it also has a button
@terse oar based
valid terrace
You can see it in his highlight
terse oar
It’s also mentioned in his short story
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Hey guys what's your head canon for Mccrees robo arm (how he lost it or his opinion on the unnatural limb)
terse oar
It took him awhile to get used to it (Genji interaction) and he lost it after OW fell (based off skins and timelines)
As for how he lost it, 
hushed jetty
what i wanna know is why he wont tell anyone how he lost it
terse oar
Probably just doesn’t think it’s a big deal
valid terrace
It's a story for another time 
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I like to think his ashamed of it.
But he wasn't all winey and angsty about like Genji but he hid his emotions deep down about it
I mean his poncho covers his robot arm
Not his human arm
terse oar
It could maybe be mentioned in the Deadlock book coming (if they cover a little bit of the present)
terse oar
I thought the poncho covered his other arm since he shoots with his right
So it won’t get in the way
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Bob was more of Dad to Ashe then her real dad was
terse oar
Yes
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That's probably gunna be a plot point
Bob taking care of his winey spoilt human flesh baby
raven sluice
Why doesn’t lucio say damnit when hit by zenyattas discord orb?
Isn’t zen like the only one that doesn’t?
And zen makes sense at least
terse oar
They don’t have to say “dammit”
terse oar
How so?
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Junkrat says "piece of junk" when he's hit with discord
terse oar
raven sluice
Dang
hushed jetty
it's just a personality thing, i assume
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Also do you think Zen used Discord on Genji to strengthen his mind and resolve
raven sluice
I call bs on that, even mercy and tracer say damn it
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He doesn’t either?
@raven sluice Junkrat also says dammit
terse oar
I mean, I don’t really see how they’d explain it
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They don't explain a lot in the lore
terse oar
Does it whisper bad thoughts into your ear? I don’t see how’d it make sense
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Does it whisper bad thoughts into your ear? I don’t see how’d it make sense
@terse oar thats how i imagine it
That's why I said increase his mental strength
The Discord orb would whisper all your doubts and weakness
hushed jetty
technically, i believe it was once stated that the "orbs" are supposed to represent zen's ability to use words to his advantage or something
you know how he says something when he puts an orb on someone? it's that
i think.
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That would be cool
terse oar
Probably
That way they can fit Dva into a mission
And then I hope we get the Gwishin Omnium as an underwater map for PvP
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Like the actual Gwishin
Not the Bastions or the squid drones
The massive fuck huge titian killer Omnic that regenerates every year to fight the Meka squad
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That would be a spectical
No better idea
The Level is on the Gwishin itself!
Like it's stomping around Korea and you have to kill it from the inside
Then you fight those squid drones and Gwishin bastions
terse oar
The Titan in the Torbjorn comic was like that, so maybe
clear nest
dva and who though?
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Those titians are more Omnic crisis tech
terse oar
It could also be similar to Mega Leg in Mario Galaxy (you climb up the robot)
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It would probably be the Null Sector titian
D.va and some overwatch peeps or her squad if they get added into OW2
Speaking of the Null sector titian
It looks like something out of Metal gear
limpid agate
Do you think we'll fight the
Gwishin
Maybe not at launch, but hopefully later down the line
Launch is probably centered around Null Sector, and we will probably fight Talon and one other faction sometimes during the campaign as well
That's my expectations
peak escarp
I hope we'll get multiple seasons/story arcs
fringe blade
I really hope that, alongside with the main plotline, we get several other, smaller plotlines
Like fighting against the Gwishin
terse oar
My guess is they’ll have the launch campaign, then either make half a sequel or a new storyline the next year for anniversary
uncut quest
Ok
clear nest
I think the Deadlock book will mainly focus on Ashe
I hope so
I wonder if she became like this because of horrible parenting or something else
terse oar
Judging from her origin trailer, that definitely is a main factor
Parents not disciplining/giving her enough attention
clear nest
theres also a few little details I would like to know, like why does Ashe have white hair, or does she have any siblings, etc
peak escarp
my bet is designer baby
and if she had any siblings she probably wouldn't have felt so alone
desert yarrow
Probs lack of attention / care from parents, bob as only caretaker, and lack of restrictions / rules
She basically grew up thinking no one but bob cared for her and she could do as she pleased
So she became reckless as u saw she got in alot of law trouble (mugshots stuff)
And she wanted her own ‘family’ aka the deadlock gang
limpid agate
We will know for sure in the novel next year
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Honestly everything Katie said sounds about right
cerulean ice
Bob was Ashe's butler during her childhood. Since Ashe's parents were so busy, Bob took the majority of the responsibility of raising and caring for Ashe. Bob remained supportive, protective and loyal to Ashe even as she descended into delinquency.
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For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Ashe
cerulean ice
the idea is still the same
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Hey guys
Could you imagine Storm Rising from one of the Talon Troopers perspectives
Like worst day ever
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Being beaten to death by a flying Gorilla sucks
Or being disembowled by a magic sword would succ
swift mason
It's always the situation where the heroes will basically kill the henchmen but then spare the villian''s life 'because u need a second chance'
swift mason
I guess that's just how those type's of stories go
although batman, for example only critically injures the henchmen, but doesn't kill them
proud pike
For example, take Baptiste, he only joined Talon because of poverty.
swift mason
That, and the fact that he felt like he didn't have a choice, when in reality he did
proud pike
But technically he still broke the law
That, and the fact that he felt like he didn't have a choice, when in reality he did
@swift mason Did he have a choice?
Which one?
swift mason
In his origin trailer
proud pike
Well, he was in the military, then he was just hired by Talon, he just didn't know the whole situation.
And his mind was clouded by good rewards and easy tasks
And then what?
It's not his fault that he was deceived
swift mason
Obviously he saw that Talon kept on becoming corrupt, but he couldn't just leave, but he did leave, now the consequence for that is being constantly chased by talon agents to 'convince' him to come back
swift mason
It's not necesarrily a fault, but more of a burden he now has to live with
The fact that he did have a choice to do something else when he thought there were no choices left
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They only gave him the tragic back story because he's a named character
Maybe some of the Talon soldiers we brutally murder came from poverty too
swift mason
Most talon agents, other than baptiste of course, seem to be pretty content with working for an evil organisation, The following spoiler is a spoiler for Hero of Numbani, || Take Efi's cousin for example, he abandoned his family and is now super involved with talon and seems to be loyal to doomfist||
proud pike
from the point of view of morality, their cases need to be analyzed in detail, and from the point of view of the law, absolutely all of them are terrorists
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Still though I refuse Baptiste is the ONLY Talon member who doesn't like what they are doing
I don't like the idea of every Talon meat head being "hue hue hue yes evil"
I actually word of preferred if Talon was your evil criminal empire with super villains instead of Dumbfists dumb goal
proud pike
Talon recruited members secretly, gradually tightening the tasks, thereby trying to instill cruelty, then they turned into ordinary terrorists.
Well, at least in the history of Baptiste it was told like this.
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Speaking of our favourite goths is confirmed that Moira was in Kahoots with Talon the whole time
Make sense Moira would lend her skills to the highest bidder
Also it would explain why the Talon enemies had their advanced stuffs thats similar to Overwatch stuff
worthy rose
sucks to know that zenyatta's abilities arent canon
its literally made up ones so hes able to be a playable character
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I don't think that's a hundred percent true
But given his melee attack he probably knows some sort of marshal art
iron plume
We know that they don't work exactly as they do in game
but that's the case for many others too
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I like to imagine Discord manifests all a characters doubt and fear when used
fallow dome
Mondata is the real mvp tbh
swift mason
How come?
worthy rose
oh i was talkin more about his abilities
not his primary or secondary fire
or.. well.. his melee
cerulean ice
his whole concept is like "oh a floating robot that seeks peace and shoots energy orbs"
swift mason
I’m just curious to see how he interacts with the storyline of ow2
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Mondata got 360 no scoped by Window Maker lol
cerulean ice
so pretty much everything else wasnt thought out right
worthy rose
ow3? damn thatll be in year 3030
iron plume
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
iron plume
pls
swift mason
I meant 2 whoops
worthy rose
Mondata got 360 no scoped by Window Maker lol
@supple badge more like 360 scoped
cerulean ice
im not sure if zen will actually be like part of battle but rather just exist between scenes
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I’m just curious to see how he interacts with the storyline of ow2
@swift mason probably to give back story or give some dumb motivational speech lol
cerulean ice
it seems better for his character anyways
swift mason
Yeah that makes sense
iron plume
I can see Zen actively participating in a battle if it's like
his village being attacked
swift mason
That might be likely
worthy rose
does he float in the lore?
iron plume
He does believe in using force to defend
worthy rose
or walk?
iron plume
he floats
worthy rose
sickk
cerulean ice
why would they attack the village in the first place
swift mason
He’s floating in the gameplay trailer
iron plume
I'm sure there's a reason
swift mason
In that cutscene
iron plume
He also does in Reflections
worthy rose
prolly people who hate omnics idk
cerulean ice
im not surprised that hes floating in lore, its the future
iron plume
Null Sector may also attack the shambali
iron plume
I don't
proud pike
I don't think there is any way to link Zenyatta to the current story.
iron plume
The only good reason for a character to die is to give some emotional weight to a conclusion of the arc
but if they return that goes out the window
worthy rose
i mean bastion is a full machine, so he could be rebuilt entirely
cerulean ice
i mean rein is a good candidate for dying 
proud pike
i mean rein is a good candidate for dying
@cerulean ice why?
iron plume
that's
not a character arc
worthy rose
im joking
iron plume
you're not doing it well then
cerulean ice
"i will fight till my last breath" thingy magicy
proud pike
True
worthy rose
bruh chill lol
proud pike
worthy rose
you sound like youre mad at me
proud pike
yes, but actually no
iron plume
I'm not, that I can promise
Anyway
They're not going to show us a death that we're supposed to believe, even with robots
If they do "die" in a short it will be like Snowball in Rise and Shine
swift mason
But Jeff did say that they were thinking about killing off a playable character in the future, but they’d remain playable
iron plume
where they go out in beginning/middle of the short but then wake up by the end
proud pike
But Jeff did say that they were thinking about killing off a playable character in the future, but they’d remain playable
@swift mason Zen mb
iron plume
He said they wouldn't completely rule out the possibility
not really that they were thinking about it
swift mason
I said they were thinking about it
cerulean ice
its a possibility regardless
iron plume
IIRC it was around the time where in League a character died in lore so they got blocked off in game for like a week or something
which was a shitshow
proud pike
I mean, Zenyatta is not needed for the current story at all
iron plume
so it's prompted by that
The relevant part of Jeff's statement is "we're not going to ban heroes in game because of lore", not "we consider killing someone off"
swift mason
Who says that blizzard would do the exact same thing
cerulean ice
i dont know why youre denying it so much
iron plume
They wouldn't. That's what the interview was about
as for Zenyatta "not being needed"
Very few of the characters are "needed" for the story
swift mason
Look if it happens, it happens, if ur mad, too bad
iron plume
...what are you on about
terse oar
as for Zenyatta "not being needed"
Very few of the characters are "needed" for the story
some characters won’t even be present in the OW2 story at all, so Zen got lucky
cerulean ice
all heroes get a story though so itss fineee
swift mason
If blizzard decide to kill a character, then that’s done, if you’re not happy about it, too bad, that’s just how it is
iron plume
...okay? what does that have to do with me
swift mason
I’m just saying in general
proud pike
I don't think this is a good idea, especially in a hero shooter
iron plume
I'm not saying it 100% won't happen obviously, because I'm not a psychic or a writer
I'm saying that 1) IMO this would be a bad idea, and 2) you're misrepresenting Jeff's words in the interview
swift mason
I don’t mean to attack you if it looks like it, sorry
iron plume
If you have points to argue with those, feel free to
terse oar
I feel like there’s a lot of hidden anger behind that statement 
proud pike
for no reason, i can feel mei dying in the story
@cerulean ice lol, why?
swift mason
Not saying that it will happen, but rein seems like the best candidate to die
proud pike
She wasn't really revealed as a character, so why kill her?
terse oar
In the event it does happen, I’d say Winston
swift mason
Bold move
cerulean ice
rein
proud pike
In the event it does happen, I’d say Winston
@terse oar (sry for ping) but this-quite possibly, already looks like the truth
cerulean ice
id say rein
terse oar
We already saw in Zero about how he’d sacrifice himself for his friends, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he acts like a Martyr to bring back OW
swift mason
Or blizzard could subvert all out expectations and kill someone like brig or dva
terse oar
Could also (unlikely) be Doomfist since he’s the “main” antagonist
proud pike
Now it will be PURELY my hypothesis, which is likely to be false, but this is pure speculation. Experts of lore - do not hit.
Perhaps Jack/Ana will sacrifice himself and kill the Reaper - I think this is more or less logical
iron plume
But it's not going to be Mei or any of the new recruits
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To be fair no matter who they kill people will be angry because canonically their main is dead
iron plume
Not for an in-universe reason, but because it would be a jarring shift of tone
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And that might anger a lot of people
iron plume
They wouldn't do that for their optimistic world
terse oar
Killing of a new recruit wouldn’t really make sense either
proud pike
They wouldn't do that for their optimistic world
OW is optimistic?
iron plume
yes
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I imagine with Doomfist they'll just put him in jail every time
swift mason
There’s the possibility for a side character dying, let’s say if Iggy survives the tracer chronicles, she dies in a null sector mission (hypothetical of course)
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Overwatch isn't grimdark it's not 40k or Halo
Overwatch despite some of it's themes it's very upbeat and colourful
terse oar
OW is definitely optimistic compared to others games, but there are still some dark elements
iron plume
it's not good but it's not grimdark
swift mason
Surprisingly if you look in-depth at the cinematics, all of them are quite dark
proud pike
Well, I don't find the story of Sigma, for example, optimistic
terse oar
Like half the heroes have either PTSD or trauma lol
iron plume
that's
not true
proud pike
Surprisingly if you look in-depth at the cinematics, all of them are quite dark
@swift mason I agree
terse oar
*my statement was meant to be an exaggeration
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Reapers flesh basically melts off and regenerates all the time
I wouldn't say that's the most optimistic thing
But to be fair
iron plume
Feels like you're deliberately ignoring the point
cerulean ice
if he takes too much damage itll delay
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That's background detail
iron plume
There's dark undertones and shitty things happening all over
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But when compared to other things Overwatch is very up beat
iron plume
including a budding worldwide conflict
iron plume
The world ain't a good place
But the tone of the story they tell is optimistic
cerulean ice
yes, we forgot genjis body was fucking sliced 
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But then the next issue is dark and gritty for no reason
iron plume
The ultimate message is "there's a lot of shit but we're pulling through it because there's good people"
swift mason
^
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The ultimate message is "there's a lot of shit but we're pulling through it because there's good people"
@iron plume we know that's the obvious theme
proud pike
I think the ending with the sacrifice of S76 to kill the Reaper is quite possible
iron plume
Apparently not everyone does because people keep banging on how about akchually it's dark
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Honestly Soldier 76 is pretty scary, Reaper just kills you but Soldier might beat you too death
Like he did with that one guy in his animated short
terse oar
These. Aren’t. Your. Streets. Anymore
cerulean ice
well hes scary but he wouldnt kill you for no reason
terse oar
^
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But still I'd rather be killed by Reaper
terse oar
He drains the corpses of life, so I guess you’ll at least be used for something in death
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He drains the corpses of life, so I guess you’ll at least be used for something in death
@terse oar yeah
terse oar
Lol
proud pike
Well, Yes, in his animation, he had a little too much anger, but I don't think he is ready to do this to everyone he meets. After all this gang was a bunch of assholes
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Except for that one Russian guy he killed, imagine seeing purple lady push past you and then being choked out by death himself
terse oar
That dude kinda died for nothing to lol
proud pike
What Russian guy?
terse oar
A Volskayan security guard in Infiltration
proud pike
oh
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The Russian guy Reaper choked to death in Sombras short
terse oar
Actually... Reaper killed like 5 guards...
proud pike
It's just that you change topics so abruptly that I'm already confused XD
proud pike
In general, I don't think that a short film with Volskaya is logical. Why does she have so little security?
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Unless you have plot armour like Soldier 76
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He tanked a point blank shotgun round from Reaper in Anas second comic
terse oar
That was because of the soldier enhancement
cerulean ice
how british of u
terse oar
Naw if you want plot armor/unreasonable perfection - Winston
proud pike
lol
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Winston is thicc boi who takes Reapers shotguns
Then again by game logic he should be dead
proud pike
Dude, Winston is a huge mutant gorilla from the moon who has super-intelligence. I don't think it's necessary to look for such a logical logic
cerulean ice
also he wears armor
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You're right I should stop overthinking the universe with a post apocalyptic Australia and Hammers and gamers in robot suits
iron plume
Just the outback is post-apocalyptic
and how would you tell the difference from now anyway
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Radiation
Scrap metal everywhere
Ruined Ominum
Savage Junker raiders who'd kill you for your stuff
iron plume
yeah so nothing changed
iron plume
Again, Australia isn't
Outback might well be
Even then, Junkertown isn't the whole outback
the omnium explosion, big as it is, wouldn't affect the entire middle of the country
for all we know the whole thing may be an area with the radius of like
50 km
proud pike
offtop, but, it turns out Roadhog can't live without his gasmask?
iron plume
where'd you get that from
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He just uses it because it scares people and because it makes using his healing gas easier
proud pike
He traded with the engineer at Junkertown for cylinders of special gas that keeps him alive, didn't he?
cerulean ice
yes
iron plume
yes
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Yes
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But he has a massive stash of it in his house
iron plume
It's like a medication he needs regularly
proud pike
okay, i understand
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So he's hording some just in case or he himself knows how to make it
proud pike
He can fill his filters with this gas, but he can't produce it itself
If I understand correctly
Oh
damn
gtg
cerulean ice
yes, since he buys them anyways
cerulean ice
👋
hot heart
Are those yellow goo and Moira primary fire one?
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No not that
cerulean ice
no
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In the Junkertown first attack spawn your in Roadhogs house and in his house there's a massive jar with his yellow healing goo
terse oar
It’s radiation medication
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Succ up the rads and eat em
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It's probably a similar material but it's not Moiras
proud pike
Wait a sec
I am sure that the AK-47 was ahead of its time, but not so much
damn...
I can't send photos
Okay, I'll describe it in words. Why is the bandit, from the soldier 76 video at the moment 3:16-3:17 armed with an AK-47, which is already considered obsolete?
proud pike
The AK-47 is already considered a fairly old weapon. It's like going out with the first colt revolver to fight against modern pistols.
Moreover, this is not some kind of pulse modification, etc. This is a regular Kalashnikov, with shell casings and so on
Either this is a blunder, or it's some lost in time bandits
cerulean ice
prolly like their only weapons
the policewoman on zero hour used an old gun
i think?
proud pike
wait a sec
Looks like FAMAS, but heavily upgraded
But the problem is different. They do not even have an AK modification, but an ordinary, I would even say historical (by OW standards) sample
terse oar
Bastions used normal bullets
They don’t have any sort of pulse modifications either, basically just a today machine gun
proud pike
I'm not talking so much about bullets, but about the weapons themselves. AK is already obsolete
Although... given the fact that we have a junk gun that shoots better than a pulse weapon, I think this is an unnecessary question
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AK is pretty reliable imo
It's good gun
Also a shit ton of em were made
So they are probably really easy to come by in the OW universe
And like I said it's the stereotypical low tech baf guy gun
proud pike
Okay, let's not pay attention to this, but rather just enjoy the story
But Kalashnikov will still remain a mystery to me xD
anyway gtg
terse oar
terse oar
(I know this is an emote for Rez, but it looks like she’s waving)
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cerulean ice
i mean guns today can still kill people in the future
just less deadlier than a pulse gun
hot heart
@proud pike Maybe not the original AK47 but some sort of modernized models
I dont think rioters can aquire those pulse/energy weapons easily, so they have to use guns that shoot bullets
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Yeah advanced tech would usually go to characters or groups with high influence or money
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I think we underestimate how terrifying the Omnic Crisis was, yeah for super solders and powered armoured folk killing a 100 Bastions would be GG EZ but for your shit tier pleb soldier it wouldn't be
Like in Reinhardts animated short the Normal Soldiers couldn't do anything unless they used heavy weapons like Rockets
terse oar
I mean, Bastions are a symbol of fear
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That was the main plot point of Torbs second comic
worthy rose
hamston is in the lore
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Yeah Hammond is canon
worthy rose
yes
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Okay sometimes Soldier reminds me of a less edgy Punsiner.
So that got me thinking how good would he be with other guns like I know he has a preference for Pulse rifles since he actively gotten out of his way to get one, but he has a pistol on his hip and in his concept art he has all sorts of weapons
One that took my eye was a silenced SMG
limpid agate
@supple badge The Pulse Rifle is just his most recent weapon.
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But in the lore he used a older model
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A assult rifle with Blue bullets
limpid agate
But for gameplay purposes, it performs identically
Its the same with Sniper Ana or Captain Ana's rifles
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No I'm not talking skins
limpid agate
They are both just normal rifles
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He used some sort of older pulse rifle during his command of Overwatch
limpid agate
This is the gun he used during his command of Overwatch
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Because the gun wasn't a AR
limpid agate
They are not pulse rifles
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They are
limpid agate
Source
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Do they look like assult rifles
limpid agate
Yes
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No they don't
If they are assult rifles where is the magazine
There's the rail to attach scopes and sighs
young knoll
AR stands for ArmaLite, not assault rifle
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Imma halo player we use AR for Assault Rifle
limpid agate
If they are assult rifles where is the magazine
@supple badge Presumably the same place as the magazine on Widowmaker's SMG
Which is inside the gun
A lot of guns in Overwatch have internal bullet feeds. Bastion's arm isn't exactly a rifle but its magazine is stored internally
Then you have the Talon Troopers, who also use some kind of rifle or smg
I don't know the weapon semantics
But I do know that Soldier 76's current gun is the Heavy Pulse Rifle, and his former gun is not
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I know they are not the same gun
limpid agate
The only gun with a visible magazine is Sombra's machine pistol, afaik.
The magazine not being visible is a non-argument for Overwatch guns
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You make discussing lore unfun
vernal cloud
His name is Hammond
@limpid agate take a joke jeez
You make discussing lore unfun
@supple badge EXACTLY
proud pike
You make discussing lore unfun
@supple badge technically this is ''serious'' channel, but you're a little right
limpid agate
@vernal cloud Final warning
vernal cloud
what do you mean i literally didnt do anything
limpid agate
You make discussing lore unfun
What are you expecting, people to blindly agree to things whether or not they are correct?
This is a discussion channel. The purpose is for discussion
vernal cloud
ok but the first time i say anything even when i didnt know this was serious, you sh*tpost it without a though
thought*
and then when other people do the same thing you just tell them
its not fair
instead of giving them a warning
limpid agate
You've had multiple, and now you're randomly joining a discussion to say take a joke for no reason
vernal cloud
ive had one were you immediatly gave me a warning without an explanation.
and thats it
and then i got an explanation from admin because you didnt explain it.
limpid agate
You've been warned by other staff members too. If you have any further questions or complaints, dm @sullen pagoda
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore.
vernal cloud
no i havnt but ok im just not gunna type in this chat bc of you tbh.
candid juniper
This channel is mostly serious discussion about the lore
I’ve heard the other channels aren’t as strict but I don’t really visit the other channels so I wouldn’t know
terse oar
The only gun with a visible magazine is Sombra's machine pistol, afaik.
Don’t Junkrat and Baptiste also have them
limpid agate
Junkrat's gun doesn't shoot bullets
I should have specified bullet firing weapons.
As for Baptiste's, I need to look at that again, but I think you're just talking about the grenades again?
Yeah you're right, Baptiste has an external drum barrel on his
terse oar
I think you can see a little of the bullets
limpid agate
terse oar
There’s no magazine for it
limpid agate
Her light gun
Not her mech's
And that is a good counter-arguement for the opposite, thanks
A non-bullet gun that has a magazine
terse oar
Oh, yeah her light gun does
Would Lucio count as well since you can see him put it in the gun while reloading?
limpid agate
That's the same as Soldier's
The discussion was about how Soldier's gun doesn't have this
Sticking out
terse oar
Ah, ok
limpid agate
Heroes like Soldier and Widow, as well as Talon Troopers, have their gun's ammo stored internally
So there is no visible magazine
While Sombra/Baptiste have external magazines, and McCree/D.Va's is much like a standard handgun.
proud pike
The discussion was about how Soldier's gun doesn't have this
@limpid agate
In general, the initial question was: "Why do bandits use historically outdated weapons in the future
limpid agate
Same reason why Hanzo fights with a bow and Genji fights with shurikens and a sword. Its just stylish for the character design.
You could make the argument that they can't afford/create the top of the line equipment that Soldier or Sombra use.
But McCree's is a customized one of a kind hand cannon with unique ammunition designed just for it
peak escarp
Soldier's pulse rifle is also an experimental new design
limpid agate
And Hanzo uses an extremely expensive bow/customized tech arrows
hot heart
Why Rein is so big? Is he a super soldier or he just big like that?
proud pike
He is just big
hot heart
Maybe the crusader training program made them big enough to wear the armor
cerulean ice
hes naturally big
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proud pike
valid terrace
They were likely recruited to the program because they were so big
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Could you imagine if the Crisaders had to go through that horrorfying painful surgery the Space Marines of 40k have to go though
Thank god they are just big boys with fancy armour
slender hound
Lol
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I got the Overwatch art book and in one of the pages it shows you how the Bastion drop pods work
Basically it crams 9 Bastions into one pod
Imagine that
Your just some random guy going to work and during your ride to work your city gets invaded by the Omnics and a drop pod lands in front of you and deploys 9 Bastions
Talk about over kill
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And think about it
These drop pods would be deployed in mass so your town or city could easily overrun with Bastions
But I feel like asides from Bastions the other Omnic crisis era Omnics would be pretty scary alongside a army of Bastions
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Speaking of Omnic crisis era machines how many do you know, I know of the
Bastions
Titians
OR-14's
Spider crab artillery tanks
Warships
And I think there were the humaniod Omnics used as factory workers I don't remember
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Name every Omnic type lol
cerulean ice
!!wiki Omnic
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Omnic
cerulean ice
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Lame
But I hope we get proper Omnic crisis content in the future
Like maybe a OW2 prequel dlc campaign missions featuring the OG crew
Fighting all the Omnic crisis robots
swift mason
Im pretty sure that the whole main storyline for OW2 is a second global omnic crisis, I say global because Russia has been in its 2nd omnic crisis for quite a bit
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Image being a working driving your car to work and just across from your work Zarya and bunch of Russain Soldiers are still fighting Bastion units
After the original Omnic crisis
That was 20 something years ago
swift mason
Zarya is only in her late 20's (yes, it surprised me too) so she wouldn't have fought in the 1st one (for obvious reasons)
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I know
zenith prawn
The warships remind me a lot of COD:IW
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I'm saying the Russians have been fighting the same war for years
It's not correct to say they are going through a second Omnic crisis
They are still fighting the First one
swift mason
In recall, the news lady on the screen, Olympia Shaw, explicitly says '2nd omnic crisis in russia'
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Because Voskaya is doing dirty deals with the mechanical mence
raven sluice
Is defense matrix ever explained
cosmic crest
What do you mean?
cosmic crest
I think it vaporizes projectiles.
lament prawn
it just helps her aim
the idea is that she's shooting the projectiles out of the air herself
in-game it does the "aiming" automatically for you and just deletes the projectiles
hot heart
It's like those machine gun towers on battleships that shoot incoming missiles automatically
terse oar
Like the air defenses in Uprising
cerulean ice
it fires a beam from incoming projectiles in its vicinity
hot heart
It can shoot down a black hole
terse oar
That’s gameplay, we don’t know how it compares in lore
hot heart
It can shoot a dynamite without making it explode
terse oar
That’s gameplay, we don’t know how it compares in lore
hot heart
🐧
terse oar
The missiles it blocks in Shooting Star still explode
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Ingame it's just a negation mechanic
In lore it's just a thing that helps D.va shot down tangible projectiles like rockets and bullets and they explode when shot
terse oar
^^
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Most of the stuff the characters do in lore are more toned down
Except for Reinhardt and the rest of the crusaders
slender hound
Lmao
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The action scenes in Reins short are so good
slender hound
Charge into bastion big brain
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Ingame: death.
In the short: epic fighting game finisher
terse oar
I mean, he charged into an OR14
terse oar
That’s how his eye got injured
cerulean ice
idk why firestrike is a thing but it exists in the bastion cinematic so
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Because the Fire strike in the animations isn't a fire ball it's raised rock and dirt from the ground flung so fast it deals damage and can shatter Bastion armour and kill them
slender hound
Yeah it’s nutty
hot heart
Ingame it's just a negation mechanic
In lore it's just a thing that helps D.va shot down tangible projectiles like rockets and bullets and they explode when shot
@supple badge I think it shoot automatically, she just needs to activate it
terse oar
You can see her rapidly pressing the buttons to shoot
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terse oar
She does it manually
slender hound
Sus
terse oar
She’s gotta raise her APM
slender hound
Sus
slender hound
God gamer
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It's kinda like how Zarya has broken a world record with her weight lifting
D.va has very very very good APM
slender hound
Yeah zarya cracked
slender hound
That’s kinda cool ngl
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Zaryas gun was ripped off a tank
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Her current gun is presumably modified for easier use
slender hound
I mean yeah
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But originally it was a tank gun
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Yes
slender hound
It’s the Russians
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Given how Russia has massive titian mechs they must of tanks with laser canons
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Also their newest Mech from the Sombra short uses the same Tech as Zaryas
But unfortunately Rpeaper killed all those mechs and their pilots
hot heart
What is APM
peak escarp
actions per minute
slender hound
Yeah that was big oof
slender hound
Overwatch is a strategy game? Or am I like really stupid?
low brook
wasn't it one of those guns on the volskia mechs?
slender hound
Was a tank?
low brook
overwatch is a team based hero shooter
slender hound
I mean it uses strategy?
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Zaryas gun was a tank gun that was later upgraded to Zaryas modern kit and they then put Zaryas kit into a mech
slender hound
Big brain
peak escarp
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I was kinda right
So it wasn't a tank exactly but it was ripped off a heavy vehicle
slender hound
Oh ok
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But yeah it was super heavy tho
Only Zaryas GLORIOUS muscles can lift it without aid
slender hound
Lmaoo
She cracked
Looks heavy as shot tho
What’s the lord behind junks gun? Is there any
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peak escarp
that's pretty much it, actually
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Same can be said for Roadhogs gun
slender hound
It’s literally called scrap gun lmao
peak escarp
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His gun is made out of mostly random crap
peak escarp
Junkrat isn't stupid, he's just unhinged
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Thats why people always underestimate him
Junkrat is actually quite sadistic if you think about it
Remember when he hung a CEO and then blew up his skyscraper
Presumably killing hundreds of workers and staff
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In the first Junkrat and Roadhog coming called "going legit"
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Yeah you can read it on the Blizzard website I think or download a PDF
slender hound
Will do
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Even though I don't like the OW2 talon trooper design I gotta give Blizzard props of consistency
Because the OW2 talon goons look like the Talon troops of Winstons recall short and Mccrees train hopper comic
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It was a good look
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I loved the Edgy stormtrooper look of the SR Talon troopers
But the OW2 look is alright but mostly consistent with the timeline
Since that armour set was probably a older uniform
And the sleeveless cevlar look is the newer uniform
slender hound
Yeah but less protection overall
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Their helmets popped off when shot in the face if you remember
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Probably make new headshot death animations or just have them ragdoll
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It's probably to make them look more human
slender hound
Lmaoo
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Genji was a playboy soundcloud gangster with no honour and that made Hanzo angry
slender hound
Yes
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So once their dad died Hanzo and Genji had a epic starwars sword fight
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Hanzo won by cutting Genji into gorey chunks
slender hound
He met an egirl who wants to do things with and now he has a better sword than hanzo
Sums the rest up
Lmao 😂
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Hanzo is presumably still better with a sword but he doesn't use them anymore
Because he felt shame after gutting genji with one
slender hound
True but I’m basing it off of the fight from dragons I think it’s called
peak escarp
Sojiro's death was "untimely" and may have been orchestrated by the clan elders because he wouldn't do what they wanted (i.e. work with Talon)
slender hound
That was the latest fight of them if I’m not mistaken
peak escarp
He met an egirl who wants to do things with
terse oar
Yes, Dragons was their most recent fight
peak escarp
who?
peak escarp
Mercy is not an egirl
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Sojiro's death was "untimely" and may have been orchestrated by the clan elders because he wouldn't do what they wanted (i.e. work with Talon)
@peak escarp this is true because of Hanzos voicelines and his families honour
slender hound
Yeah they did
peak escarp
she's a doctor
slender hound
It’s a joke. :/
peak escarp
this isn't a place for jokes
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slender hound
We just described genji and hanzo backstory as a joke
:/
they stayed the night on gibraltar
@desert yarrow he’s making great progress though. Hope to see more lore to that in the future
desert yarrow
@desert yarrow he’s making great progress though. Hope to see more lord to that in the future
the genji mercy interactions gonna no longer be pg
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Oh god
slender hound
Yeah lmao
slender hound
Well that was obvious tho
Just I want to see how it works out
If anything ever does become of it
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Probably gunna be a dumb kiss scene after some big boss fight Genji and Mercy had to beat
slender hound
Maybe you never know
They kinda left my boy lucio for lore tho
I want more
But the genji mercy lore could be easily built upon and it’s nice to see how they take it
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Lucìo is going to be a main character don't worry
Hes a part of the crew in the rio mission and presumably joins Overwatch after it
Probs a main antagonist
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And if there are Talon missions he's probably going to be playable
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Oh
Well Reaper is well fleshed out tbh
He's appeared in many shorts and comics
And the Retribution mission gave him more character
And the Retribution prequel comic went more In depth with his character
peak escarp
he was soldier 24
they were friends in the SEP
soldier Enhancement program
USA's answer to the omnic crisis
slender hound
Lmao
peak escarp
then Morrison and Reyes got picked for Overwatch
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Yeah Jack was Soldier 76 and Gabriel was Soldier 24
peak escarp
we don't know yet
slender hound
We know he did change tho
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Felt betrayed by Overwatch
pearl basin
I'm pretty sure he was jealous of Jack
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Yeah Reaper was the OG strike commander
pearl basin
Jack got to be leader of Overwatch even though Gabriel thought he was more qualified
peak escarp
his friendship with Morrison started to fall apart after the Venice Incident (Retribution) and after Ana went MIA nobody was there to mediate
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But after their first mission Jack got that job and he was demoted to command Blackwatch
peak escarp
it wasn't a demotion
pearl basin
It felt like one
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Idk have you seen the characters in Blackwatch
peak escarp
Reyes didn't want the responsibility and pressure of being in charge
pearl basin
I think he wanted to be in charge
peak escarp
Blackwatch gave him freedom to do whatever
pearl basin
That's why he was jealous of Morrison
cerulean ice
he didnt care about being in charge
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Especially of renegades like Genji, Moira and Mccree
Organising them must of been a nightmare
This was Blackwatch Genji too so he was filled with rage and angst
Moira was probably doing double dealings with Talon at the time
pearl basin
So then why the betrayal?
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Its like you said earlier
The events of Retribution and Anas "death" started breaking their friendship
peak escarp
they are taking their time with the story
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Which is good and bad
Good because it'll be indepth and have plenty of time to be fleshed out
Bad because long lore droughts
pearl basin
So who would be the main antagonist of Overwatch? I don't think it's Reaper
peak escarp
they haven't been that long
pearl basin
Doomfist?
peak escarp
the main antagonist is Null Sector
and whoever leads them
Talon is just helping them
pearl basin
It could be Maximilien
slender hound
Yeah that would be dope
peak escarp
in the gameplay trailer
pearl basin
Could be that he's just planning to betray the others
peak escarp
he's a coward
he's already sold out Doomfist once before, he would do it again if it would benefit himself
slender hound
He’s selfish
slender hound
Yeah but control them from behind
pearl basin
Letting Doomfist think he's in control
peak escarp
from the gameplay trailer:
Maximilien: I can't do this.
Doomfist: You made your choice. Nobody will stop us.
peak escarp
Max is having second thoughts about waging war on humanity
I think he might betray Talon and go to Overwatch for help
he has cooperated with them before
slender hound
Maybe
peak escarp
he's been getting a lot of attention in the story, so he must be important somehow
the Omnica Corporation built omnics to help the economy and work in manufacturing
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I don't want Maxlilien to join Overwatch
peak escarp
but they promised more than they could deliver and were eventually shut down for fraud and corruption
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I feel like if Max sells out Doom again he'll have him killed
peak escarp
not join Overwatch, just work with them
as an informant
yep
nobody knows why the omniums reactivated
or why the omnics attacked
Null Sector are separatists and terrorists
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Null Sector are driffent from the Omnic crisis omnics
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My personal theory is that the God AI's took over the omnics and used them to try and destroy humanity
peak escarp
Null Sector's first appearance was 7 years ago, with the King's Row Uprising
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Talon is a massive criminal/terrorist organisation
They have their toes dipped in
Terrorism
Gun running
Selling weapons of mass destruction
Drugs
Murder
Fraud
Wonton destruction
Funding other terrorist groups (Null Sector presumably)
Causing divides between humans and Omnics
Money lurndering
And so much more
peak escarp
Wonton destruction