I agree.
#lore-discussion
midnight shoal
Butvas Six suggested she could just be an NPC
For the mission
But I'd love to choose the person you'd play as
cosmic crest
I think they should avoid creating plot holes.
cosmic crest
A cannon mission is different from PvP.
peak escarp
limited time, etc
midnight shoal
But technical limitations
lament prawn
if they do make a founders mission where the sound of her gun and her projectiles are different, then i'd love that to be worked into her captain amari skin (client side)
midnight shoal
But canon missions don't adhere to lore either?
midnight shoal
Repear in retribution?
gusty sluice
true
midnight shoal
(Which im still annoyed about)
cosmic crest
Different from what?
peak escarp
how was it different?
gusty sluice
retribution comic is the prequel for the mission
midnight shoal
I hope that OW2 will allow for more changes to be made
lament prawn
whether you think its good or bad, we already know abilities and talents that arent canon will be usable in the story missions
elder cloak
Antonio was killed
gusty sluice
so is uprising
elder cloak
In the comic he was captured
peak escarp
the comic didn't show him getting captured
elder cloak
It did
peak escarp
it only said that that was the plan
midnight shoal
Weren't we talking ability differences?
elder cloak
one second
peak escarp
no Antonio
elder cloak
may be something else
peak escarp
elder cloak
lul
midnight shoal
Like how reyes couldnt do what reaper could yet?
cosmic crest
Yes, if we got a Founders mission, they would have to change either Ana or Reyes.
peak escarp
McCree?
midnight shoal
It's him
elder cloak
on the seats
peak escarp
yes
cosmic crest
I think he means Genji.
midnight shoal
Moira?
peak escarp
Reyes?
elder cloak
looks like Antonio
lament prawn
the one with the hoodie is reaper
peak escarp
there's nobody else there
midnight shoal
Oh Genji
peak escarp
. . .
midnight shoal
. . .
cosmic crest
lol
lament prawn
. . .
cosmic crest
@elder cloak Who did you mean? We are all clearly confused.
midnight shoal
The retribution comic ends before the mission?
cosmic crest
I think he might have thought Reyes was Antonio.
elder cloak
who said genji looks like Antonio
??
prob msitakened a dude on Gabriel’s shoulder for Antonio
midnight shoal
What dude? Oh nvm.
peak escarp
yes, the comic ends before the actual mission
peak escarp
and McCree spends the whole mission complaining to Reyes that "this wasn't the plan"
cosmic crest
Oh, maybe he means Gerard.
midnight shoal
Anyway, i hope ow2 will allow for more drastic changes during mission
Who knows?
Maybe we could get og reyes and ana and young voicelines
Tho it is unlikely
midnight shoal
I mean they could easily make them NPCs
cosmic crest
NOC's?
midnight shoal
Typo
cosmic crest
Ok
midnight shoal
My phones dying on me
elder cloak
I like Ana and Reaper voiceline in game
“Looks like I’ll have to add you onto my list”
“What has happened to you”
midnight shoal
?
midnight shoal
That's not what i meant
midnight shoal
K
limpid agate
Reaper: Guess you're going back on my list, Ana.
Ana: What happened to you, Gabriel?
Isn't that interaction based?
peak escarp
it's a pregame interaction
elder cloak
Yeah
midnight shoal
Just change the interaction if your doing re recording anyway
Or just not have it
Also, speaking of which. Do yoy think we'll be able to choose particle affects for skins?
elder cloak
I wonder what reapers list exactly is
midnight shoal
Wait
peak escarp
all of Overwatch
midnight shoal
Not the place
cosmic crest
Presumably yes.
elder cloak
imagine killing your former colleagues
cosmic crest
I wish there was a spray for it.
elder cloak
yes
midnight shoal
That's reaper in a nutshell
midnight shoal
He "killed" his best friend
elder cloak
but imagine killing your former colleagues, you know
cosmic crest
He's a serial killer that targets former Overwatch agents.
elder cloak
I mean to be fair Gabriel always wanted to be better than Jack
midnight shoal
Soldier 24?
elder cloak
I don’t think reaper even knows jack is alive
peak escarp
he does
midnight shoal
He does
midnight shoal
Jinx
elder cloak
I’m just arguing to the fact that reaper didn’t kill his best friend
midnight shoal
He tried to
peak escarp
midnight shoal
Thus the quotation marks
peak escarp
Reaper would have killed him here if Ana hadn't saved him (and if Reaper hadn't paused to monologue)
elder cloak
Oh wait I completely forgot about that
That’s why I thought reaper didn’t know 76 was alive
lul
elder cloak
The hacker herself
cosmic crest
Since Mercy joined Neo Overwatch, they should all know he is alive as well.
peak escarp
probably
cosmic crest
It would be very bad if she didn't tell them.
peak escarp
yeah
cosmic crest
She would be withholding important information and also it would just make her a bad friend, as far as I can tell, Morrison was well liked by the team.
peak escarp
I think they'd be happier to hear that Ana is alive
cosmic crest
Possibly.
elder cloak
the sad thing is we all knew Ana was there better sniper
cosmic crest
They'd definitely need to know that Reaper is Reyes since he is actively hunting them.
elder cloak
that is until she lost her eyee
Ana shouldn’t of held back
just end widowmaker
lul
elder cloak
right
but its a bad thing to lose your eye and have people assume your dead
could’ve prevented that :/
cosmic crest
She faked her death because she failed.
cosmic crest
It's odd for you to point out that she should have acted better when that is literally part of her character.
elder cloak
well I mean
cosmic crest
She deeply regrets hesitating in that moment.
elder cloak
why have compassion now when you could’ve had compassion before you killed all these other people
¯_(ツ)_/¯
peak escarp
cosmic crest
She was always compassionate, I think that's what the comic was trying to get across.
peak escarp
she has always had compassion, even as a sniper
she never liked killing, but she did what was necessary to protect those important to her
cosmic crest
I think she's a pacifist.
elder cloak
so protecting others is better than protecting herself?
What a selfless being they made Ana
👍
clear nest
do they know what happened to Amelie?
clear nest
Widow is Amelie
clear nest
before the brainwashing
elder cloak
“Do they”
clear nest
Overwatch dude
cosmic crest
I'm pretty sure only Ana and the rest of Talon know.
elder cloak
No real evidence
clear nest
I meant does the overwatch team know that Amelie was brainwashed
cosmic crest
No
terse oar
No
peak escarp
they do not
Overwatch thinks Amelie was kidnapped/killed after Gerard's murder
she might still be on file somewhere as a missing person
mental temple
This might sound dumb, but is the Halloween event canon at all or is it just for fun?
peak escarp
Junkenstein's Revenge is canonically a horror story Reinhardt tells to the other Overwatch agents at a halloween party
the characters only look like the heroes we know for the sake of gameplay
terse oar
The lore of the Junkenstein heroes parallel the real ones as well
Although some details may be altered/exaggerated for the sake of the story and setting
terse oar
Not quite sure if this would be lore, but I wonder what the other heroes titles would be (“The Outlaw,” “The Renegade,” etc)
limpid agate
Reinhardt is "The Lord of the Castle."
terse oar
I could see Lucio being “The Bard”
hushed jetty
moira would probably be the "The Scientist," or maybe if we're getting a little more fantastic, something like "The Wizard." idrk
clear nest
Moira would probably be “The Banshee”
elder cloak
lel
terse oar
I think it’s !!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
terse oar
Ayyy, I got it
peak escarp
you mean this?
peak escarp
it's not a command, just something I made
peak escarp
I've considered doing other timelines, like timelines for each hero or the overall timeline of Overwatch, but those take time
peak escarp
you have to open it to see the whole thing
elder cloak
yea, I did
peak escarp
it's a large image
elder cloak
it just looks pixelated but its good
the words are hard to read though
have to zoom all the way
hard sinew
I'm zoomed all the way in and can't see it
elder cloak
well thats cause its at a diff view
peak escarp
that's the same size, it's just rotated
hard sinew
Is that age they were born and what they were doing at times?
peak escarp
more or less
it's just a visual representation of their lives, arranged on a timeline
there's some heroes, like Roadhog, who we know very little about
and then there's Orisa, who we know her entire life story
unreal tartan
That’s super cool!
proud pike
Hi. I have a question here about Tracer (which is likely to raise even more questions). Specifically, how does her life work? That is... Let's imagine that she received a secondary education by the age of 16-17. Then she became a punk, so she probably just didn't care about her education. Then she entered the pilot Academy and most likely would have graduated by the age of 26-27. And then she is immediately given the latest aircraft for testing. A newbie who doesn't even have any experience is given the latest development.... Where is the logic? Or did I miss some detail?
Or is this another plot move that is explained by "It just works"
swift mason
Some people that join the RAF can be as young as 17, she would've been a punk in her 15-16's, so it still kinda lines up with her timeline
proud pike
But she is still too young to be a pilot-tester
swift mason
You'd be surprised, there have been reports today of young test pilots
proud pike
?
swift mason
In the real world, pilots as young as 14 have been test pilots
So it's not impossible for tracer to be young and flying
proud pike
I'm not talking about her age, I'm talking about her flight experience
Who knows, maybe this "breakdown" of the plane was caused by the pilot's inexperience
cerulean ice
did you even watch the origin video
proud pike
yep
swift mason
There are courses that 15-17 yr olds can take to learn how to fly, and obviously Tracer was exceptional
I know where I live there are pilots courses
available for that age group
proud pike
It is not logical that the NEWEST (!) military development was entrusted to a cadet, practically without flight experience. They have no other pilots with 10-20 years of flight experience?
swift mason
It happens, she was a hot-shot pilot that happened to be selected to test the slipstream
It's just part of the story
proud pike
it is the same as entrusting the maintenance of a nuclear power plant to a person who has only read the theory
swift mason
and it's also important to remember that the story is completely fictional, so not all real-world logic will apply
proud pike
Yo, well then, absolutely any plot holes can be explained this way.
Like
Why Zenyatta can fly?
F U T U R E
Or... Why Iggy dont know anything about ballistics?
F U T U R E
okay
In short, this is another "It just works" moment
nah, well, gtg
cya
orchid swan
the most mind boggling imo is how when sombra hacks people they forget how to run, climb, jump, roll, use a flashbang, use dynamite, use a trap etc
orchid swan
the Shimada brother somehow have a non technilogical ancestrial spirit dragon that gets hacked
proud pike
in lore she cant do it
@orchid swan
orchid swan
i know but its just weird to add that into a game
proud pike
i know but its just weird to add that into a game
@orchid swan Yeah, but without this kind of things game will be boring
I mean
orchid swan
for sombra players yes
proud pike
No boost/Revive
No double jump
e.t.c
for sombra players yes
@orchid swan For every player
We're not playing Arma 3, It doesn't smell like realism.
So let's just say "It just works"
primal flax
Ahhhhhh dude I can’t wait to get overwatch
swift mason
The first one? Or the second one coming out soon
proud pike
Ahhhhhh dude I can’t wait to get overwatch
@primal flax tbh I don't think OW2 will be as cool as we expect it to be.
primal flax
Cus I don’t have overwatch and I was just informed that a 2 is coming out
A
So do I wait?
proud pike
Sorry for the off topic channel, but your progress will be moved from OW 1 to OW 2. So you might as well buy OW 1
primal flax
Hmm ok thxx
hot heart
@primal flax OW1 and 2 will share the same PvP
steel girder
terse oar
We don’t know what his treasure is, but it’s been slightly implied that it’s not a physical object
Some speculation says a God Program or information
young knoll
both of those thing are probably physical, unless you expect Junkrat to somehow have the god program memorized, or the information is small enough to remember
young knoll
he hates omnics, that theory is unlikely
steel girder
yes which is why he doesnt use it
young knoll
your theory is wrong
steel girder
u see how does he control his riptire
young knoll
the riptire is remote controlled, and at any rate is not an omnic
young knoll
that is not canon
young knoll
it is canon that the story was told by Reinhardt
steel girder
he sswears his story is true
young knoll
it is not canon in that it happened
steel girder
it may not be
young knoll
it did not
steel girder
well anyways
if he had a god program
why doesnt he use it
he is rich
techniclly
young knoll
in the unlikely event that he did, probably because he doesn't know how
he is seemingly not all that intelligent
steel girder
its not like he can do anything tho
young knoll
I do not follow
steel girder
he made a frag out of trash
launcher
he is smart in a way
but not mentally sound
young knoll
not the only one
young knoll
she didn't make the god programs
steel girder
i mean torb maybe
young knoll
and being good at hacking is not tantamount to understanding ai
steel girder
seince he built omnics
young knoll
he helped
young knoll
I did
steel girder
how would his treaseure be used in the lore
cosmic crest
The god program thing is completely unfounded.
steel girder
i just saying
its really confusing that hanzo knows
i mean he did go to japan
but where did hanzo learn about his treasure
cosmic crest
Interactions are not strictly canon.
cosmic crest
I doubt Hanzo knows Junkrat, that interaction was likely made to establish he has a treasure.
steel girder
i maybe
but i think there was another interaction
and even if there was a tresure
why would he need it
he robbed alot of places and has a bunch of stuff
iron plume
Because it's likely more valuable than anything he robbed
cosmic crest
It's possible when Hanzo said "treasure" he was referring to the riches they stole for their Junkertown plan.
steel girder
that would make sense
peak escarp
Hanzo doesn't know what it is
he's just guessing
just like the Junkers assume it's treasure because that's what they find valuable
steel girder
yesss
what if it is a god program tho
and techniclly
they are found in certain factories
steel girder
then he doesnt know how to use it
or maaybe he does
and he uses it on his riptire
beecayse it just does what he wants
peak escarp
his riptire is remote controlled
we just don't see the remote because it's funnier to have Junkrat plug his ears in the game
elder cloak
does genji have a relationship with orisa or soemthing
"youve grown stronger the last time I saw you"
dry oasis
maybe from the attack on Numbani
cosmic crest
They'd have no reason to have met. That line is odd though.
elder cloak
yea
peak escarp
Reinhardt also talks to Ana about her being alive, but he definitely doesn't know that in canon
elder cloak
okay right but that doesnt have to do with genji knowing orisa
"the last time I saw you" shouldnt be in there if its not true
steel girder
intresting
clear nest
the in game interactions are (afaik) what would happen if the characters met
it doesn’t mean they have met though
elder cloak
huh
peak escarp
it's not "last time I saw you"
cosmic crest
Trust me dude, she knows more than you.
peak escarp
terse oar
Doc’s word is above all
steel girder
bruh
elder cloak
lul
its in the game
doc is not the game
but yes thats the right phrase
I worded it wrong
peak escarp
I literally just posted the line
dry oasis
its an unused interaction
terse oar
In the game doesn’t mean that it’s canon
dry oasis
i think
peak escarp
wording is important
elder cloak
that aint wrong
peak escarp
"last time I saw you" and "each time I see you" have very different meanings
one implies they have met before
the other implies Genji has seen her, but not met her
dry oasis
they probably saw each other when doomfist attacked numbani
terse oar
Orisa (the body) wasn’t built at that point
elder cloak
but question
terse oar
I don’t think the programming was either
elder cloak
seen and met
whats the difference
met is just knwoing someone
and seen is just seeing someone
dry oasis
well perhaps it could be because orisa used to be an OR15
elder cloak
its pretty similar
terse oar
You can see someone on TV, but that doesn’t mean you’ve met them
clear nest
Orisa was an OR-15? Wasn’t she just built using their parts
dry oasis
yeah
terse oar
Yes, as well as their programming
elder cloak
also
@peak escarp how long have you been around here to the point where your word is above all
?
terse oar
The OR15 in the wall in the Numbani Airport was Orisa
peak escarp
2017? I don't remember when I've been here
elder cloak
ah, thats a long time
terse oar
She’s our Wikipedia
elder cloak
I seep why people have respect
peak escarp
I just know a lot of stuff and study a lot of lore
elder cloak
wikipedia isnt credible
elder cloak
Doctor is the google of this discord
lul
ive been studying lore for a good 5 days xD
peak escarp
if something has been mentioned somewhere in the lore, I can probably find it
elder cloak
long enough man
peak escarp
elder cloak
do you make these documents?
steel girder
"You will all regret the day you laughed at Dr. Jamison Junkenstein!"
clear nest
Wowzers
elder cloak
"You will all regret the day you laughed at Plubbyy"
clear nest
No we wont
peak escarp
I've been keeping this list since 2017
elder cloak
does he tho
peak escarp
she
terse oar
*she
steel girder
she
peak escarp
and yes I do
peak escarp
I have over 500 hours on McCree
elder cloak
y'all reply fast
steel girder
damn
peak escarp
but that's not relevant to the lore
steel girder
i have bout the same on junky
elder cloak
do you actually have a PHD or is this mario character exxageratting
steel girder
the mario charcter
terse oar
Do you think there’s a PHD in OW lore 
elder cloak
no
peak escarp
if it were possible to get a phd in Overwatch lore . . . I wouldn't have one because I'm a terrible student and I hate writing essays
peak escarp
but I do have a BA in general studies and that's close enough
terse oar
Relatable
steel girder
i hate essays as well
terse oar
This is getting a little off topic...
steel girder
yes
clear nest
steel girder
anyways
elder cloak
back to lore?
steel girder
dicter
clear nest
sure
clear nest
a remote control
terse oar
Remote control
steel girder
then it just goes where he wants it
elder cloak
yea
peak escarp
we haven't seen him use it in the lore, but it's either remote controlled, or he just sets it down and it goes wherever
steel girder
ppl say
elder cloak
Dont understand how he can control it without actually seeing it
clear nest
he only plugs his ears and closes his eyes for funny gameplay effect
peak escarp
this guy actually made one: https://youtu.be/HNt_4IXhO3Q
steel girder
so it does what he wants it too do
my god he is a real life junkrat
like he looks it
im not wrong
peak escarp
I think it's more of a "it goes in a straight line" thing
steel girder
yes
peak escarp
Bastion survived because its drop pod landed in the middle of a forest and it didn't activate until like a decade after the crisis ended
terse oar
It can probably repair itself, though not on the large scale in game
Probably just small dents or holes
terse oar
Probably just small dents or holes
terse oar
It could maybe reattach it, but not let it be functional again
Naw, a guy said “free coaching”
terse oar
Yes
elder cloak
im just learning the lore as I go ;d
terse oar
We know Bastion, Torbjorn, Brigitte, and Reinhardt will be playable in an OW2 mission (Gothenburg)
terse oar
Bastion has been stated to be an important part of the story, but we don’t know how
elder cloak
maybe the man turns into turrent and one shots robots
terse oar
My speculation is it will join OW in Torbjorns place
As Torbjorn doesn’t seem to keen on a recall
elder cloak
maybe hes torbjorns partner?
terse oar
Well Torbjorn took Bastion in (seen in “Binary”)
elder cloak
he doesnt seem keen on recall but he may be keen in doing stuff with his best friend and his daughter
clear nest
he blew up an entire building knowing it had hostages inside
on the topic of Junk and Hog,
I would love to find out how Jamison and Mako became Junkrat and Roadhog
terse oar
In a treaty, land in Australia was given to the omnics, which upset the residents there
They formed the ALF (Look at Roadhog’s Archive skin) to fight back against the omnics and destroy their Omnium
elder cloak
Then roadhog and junkrat became a duo and did bad things
terse oar
This caused nuclear radiation and waste to go across the Outback, leading to the formation of Junkertown, Roadhog, and Junkrat
Roadhog and Junkrat became a duo after Junkrat found the “treasure” and needed a body guard
terse oar
Not necessarily
elder cloak
Not really
clear nest
Oh
terse oar
It’s how they had to live in the outback
clear nest
Oh, I thought they were upset because of the omnics owning the land
alright this makes a little more sense now
terse oar
They became upset because the omnics were given the land
Their home
Then the radiation from the destroyed Omnium made them... them
elder cloak
Yes, that is correct
Then they become a duo and they started doing very bad things leading to junkrat and hog to egt in and out of prison
Eventually junk had to cut his arm to escape
clear nest
They were kicked out or they left on their own?
sorry if i’m being annoying with these questions lol
clear nest
I guess that explains how Hog has an unnatural shape and Junk is missing his leg and arm?
terse oar
Junkrat had lost his leg and arm before being kicked out
Unless you’re referring to the radiation poisoning
clear nest
I’m referring to the radiation
elder cloak
Junk lost his arm by cutting it off though, did he not?
terse oar
No
At least, there is no confirmation
Most likely answer is just that he had to amputate it since radiation hinders your ability to heal
elder cloak
Are you sure?
I read somewhere of when mcree and junkrat were in jail
And hat to cut their arm off
terse oar
I’m certain
elder cloak
Okay
peak escarp
that never happened
elder cloak
Nah, its not TGN
But its also on a website
"When the time came, McCree and Junkrat made it out of the prison but were encountered by a robot police enforcer who McCree defeated using a laser cutter. ... After trying the laser cutter on the handcuffs and realising that isn't working the both had to cut each other's arms."
peak escarp
none of those are official sources
terse oar
That forum is wrong lol
elder cloak
Thats why i was convinced, but its probably fanfiction
terse oar
Junkrat and McCree have never met if that helps you
peak escarp
that dumb handcuff story doesn't even make sense
elder cloak
Well that works I guess
fanfiction it is!
"Junkrat blew off his own leg. How he lost his arm is still unknown."
Okay then
Is this part true? @terse oar
clear nest
We don’t know
He either blew them off in an explosion or had to amputate them do to the radiation
elder cloak
Right so "Junkrat blew off his own leg. How he lost his arm is still unknown.[" that bit is true?
elder cloak
good point
unreal pivot
did you guys see that they are making another overwatch novel with Mccree in it
peak escarp
yep
elder cloak
McCree is an epic character lore wise
They made him pretty bad-ass
Including in the 1v5 Deadlock vs McCree
peak escarp
he's pretty great
peak escarp
I'm curious what "business" he's up to that keeps him from joining Overwatch
elder cloak
Most cowboy's are like YEEHAWWW
Yeah, I agree
Echo and McCree would've been nice
Rather than just Echo
peak escarp
he's more of a biker than a cowboy, despite his aesthetic
elder cloak
Yea
His personality is calm tho
I like how ashe has a personality that doesn't respect bob
Bob saved ashe multiple times in the McCree vs Deadlock
unreal pivot
im excited to see more of his backstory since hes all mysterious
terse oar
Ashe respects Bob, she’s just bossy
proud pike
I like how ashe has a personality that doesn't respect bob
@elder cloak she respects Bob, but in the heat of battle, she's not up to polite requests
elder cloak
fair
proud pike
¿
elder cloak
its pretty disrespect worthy
So during the McCree vs ashe
You can see bobs head in the aftermath
but what happened to his body?
latent shell
I'm guessing McCree sold it for drinking money
proud pike
Wait...
Another lore-hole
why Bob can live without a body, but Mondatta can't. They are both omnics, what's the problem?
elder cloak
Mondatta had a body though
latent shell
I mean, mondatta got shot in the head right?
latent shell
And Bob didn't
latent shell
Rip
elder cloak
Rip mondatta
proud pike
I made a Screenshot of comic, but cant send it
latent shell
Then does this mean he killed himself?
proud pike
Wait... What?
elder cloak
who
candid juniper
Mondatta was assassinated by Widowmaker in the animated short ‘Alive’
If you are talking about him
latent shell
Read what Plubbyy said
proud pike
she shot him in the chest, not in the head
latent shell
Different omnics have different levels of survivability
latent shell
Therefore your argument is invalid
proud pike
It was the head was it not
@elder cloak in comic it was chest
elder cloak
Tenet?
peak escarp
we've seen Mondatta get shot 3 different times
two of them show it being in the chest, one shows it being in the head
elder cloak
The bottom left doesnt look like a chest shot
And it looks like the same scene from the short clip Alive
Just in comic form
peak escarp
bottom left is from Masquerade
that one shows it as a headshot
the other two show it as a chest shot
elder cloak
But isn’t the clip on thte top left from the clip “Alive”
In that one, its a head shot
limpid agate
Its not a headshot
That shot from Alive shows sparks coming from the chest
And the comic confirms it
limpid agate
But the artist from Masquerade interpreted it the same way you did, as a headshot.
But in Masquerade, the sparks come from the head
Which makes no sense
limpid agate
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limpid agate
her physiology was altered, drastically slowing her heart, which turned her skin cold and blue
limpid agate
Just read the bio I linked
peak escarp
Alive shows a dramatic zoom onto Mondatta's face, which makes you think it's a headshot
but the sparks are clearly coming off his torso
elder cloak
Right
autumn veldt
Also it shows in the new comics that he got shot in the torso
peak escarp
yes
clear nest
How did Mei survive traveling Antartica
peak escarp
she had cold weather gear
peak escarp
what do you mean how? she traveled to Gibraltar and met with Winston
there are other bases in Antarctica, she probably just hiked to the nearest one and caught a ride back to civilization
elder cloak
indeed
split stratus
proud pike
She is not an omnic
limpid agate
Echo is a robot @split stratus
She has an AI.
Omnics are a subset of robots.
Its semantics, but its not accurate to say robots are a subset of AI. That is like saying cars are a subset of engines.
random pilot
What do yous think the overwatch 2 story is going to be ?
proud pike
Most likely, OW agents will come and slap everyone in the face. And then the state will allow the OW. Everyone is happy, OW is legalized.
The end
I think there will be something like this
unreal tartan
We have some general ideas, null sector is mobilizing around the world, basically creating the second omnic crisis
Talon is probably pulling the strings on that
What Raf said
cosmic crest
What exactly defines an omnic? How is Echo not considered to be one? That would be really confusing.
desert yarrow
i think an omnic is like meant to be as humane as possible but is a robot, idk how echo isnt considered one
maybe because shes designed like a plane instead, and was meant to be a fighter robot
not one who acts like a civilized human
weary owl
That wouldnt make sence cuz thats where they built echo to
proud pike
Is it?
weary owl
Yeah i think because echo was built in the room that got broken into by i beleive null sector
And the place broken into was one of the omniums
Cuz in the previous scene you see dr liao looking and checking out the progress of the robots
desert yarrow
tbh ive literally just called every robot but like orisa and bastion obviously omnics in game
cause i never really looked into it
weary owl
Yeah i may be entireley wrong tho
desert yarrow
if they werent like specific as another type like null sector, R34, etc.
weary owl
Bastion is an omnic because him and many more were built in the hijacked omniums
Bastion is an omnic because him and many more were built in the hijacked omniums
weary owl
Yeah i could see that
worthy rose
Tell everyone that mercy is secretly old
swift mason
Technically echo was created by someone that worked for the omnica corporation
So by that definition, would she classify as Omnic?
proud pike
The main word is "workED"
proud pike
Yep
cerulean ice
she isnt an omnic for sure
proud pike
worked for omnica, not made in omnica
@cerulean ice That what i mean
lament prawn
if you work on a personal project, the company you work for dont take that work and brand it as their own most of the time
proud pike
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And if you think about it... Why did omnica produce omnics-monks?
Just
For what?
cosmic crest
They did not.
proud pike
Omnic was originally meant to be a smart servant.
cosmic crest
The Shambali was formed long after omnica collapsed.
cerulean ice
idk
lament prawn
not sure if the OR15s were made in omniums, but the OR14s were
cosmic crest
I always thought omnics are programmed with some special, self-improving algorithm that separates them from conventional AI.
proud pike
I always thought omnics are programmed with some special, self-improving algorithm that separates them from conventional AI.
@cosmic crest
I think this is a dubious idea. Omnic should be a servant from the beginning, so why should it have self-awareness? Something's wrong here.
cerulean ice
orisa and echo are different
but
idk about bastion at all
bastions are literally just warmachines
except for one
ig
cosmic crest
I don't think Blizzard has outright said Echo is not an omnic. Until we get a proper definition of what an omnic is, I say she is one for consistency's sake, same with Orisa.
cerulean ice
orisa is an omnic
proud pike
Maybe I'll turn on paranoid mode now, but don't you think that omnica corp was sabotaged, and the entire omnic crisis is just a virus in their programs?
cerulean ice
what
proud pike
Why would they give a "robot vacuum cleaner" self-awareness?
cosmic crest
I think there was some embezzlement going on at Omnica which led to them being shut down.
lament prawn
unlike other omnic characters, jeff is making an effort to refer to her with "robot" and not "omnic", i think thats a big suggestion at the very least
cerulean ice
she looks way different from a usual omnic
cosmic crest
If she's not an omnic, they should explain why.
Honestly, I could believe Echo is not an omnic since she is programmed completely differently, but it's kind of confusing.
cerulean ice
it isnt rlly comparing her appearance to the other omnics
swift mason
‘Adaptive ai’ but that’s what omnics are, adapting ai’s. but I do agree with the fact that echo isn’t an omnic
cerulean ice
and her ai being way more advanced
omnics were just bots with nothing in their brain but following commands
cosmic crest
I don't think we know that.
cerulean ice
"adaptive ai" is different
swift mason
If that was the case, omnics are still capable of breaking off commands (last bastion short)
cosmic crest
They could have always had sapience, from the moment they rolled off the assembly line.
proud pike
A program that doesn't have self-learning codes can't change
Why give a servant self-education?
cerulean ice
it literally wasnt explained why bastion was having ptsd and shit
and being caring
or whatnot
proud pike
Why cans need feelings?
Let's be honest, omnics was conceived as a servant, and Omnica just howled unprofitable to give them feelings
Everyone knew that this would lead to a revolution
Serfdom - slows down progress. And Russia of the 18th and 19th centuries proves it
proud pike
People tend to learn from mistakes, omnica would not give them artificial intelligence
Or people in 2070-80 are really stupid. Either a third party is involved in this "self-awareness virus"
cerulean ice
virus? 
proud pike
Once again, Omnica would not add artificial intelligence to the staff. This is stupid
proud pike
A program can't evolve until you teach it to do so. I'm willing to bet that someone else is involved in the omnic crisis
steel girder
you know
proud pike
Maybe Talon
proud pike
Hmm
steel girder
go around the map and you will see code sombra on all of the screens in the factory
proud pike
We think soberly. Omnica corp creates servants who will not complain, but will only follow their orders. They would not add artificial intelligence to omnics, because it is very expensive and pointless. It is also logical that this would lead to a revolution. So the omnics ' self-awareness came from someone else. Who could benefit from the omnics revolution? Talon?
steel girder
but they would have to do alot
proud pike
Who?
steel girder
and i dont think they would want to do that
proud pike
I mean, who and why?
steel girder
well it could be a charecter we havent seen yet
becasue who would want to sabotage omnics unless hate them
mybe it was a grand sceme
but it also could have been a rival company
proud pike
who will benefit from the a.i. robot revolution?
steel girder
a rival company
steel girder
yea problly
the only thing that confuses me is what junkrat found
like maybe he found something that controls omnics
or a source code
but he cant use it
proud pike
the plot of "OW" is not a story, but a leaky carpet of some kind
steel girder
yes
proud pike
like maybe he found something that controls omnics
@steel girder but
steel girder
It id slot of debating
proud pike
Why JR need omnic crisis?
steel girder
no i didnt say he started it
this is after
he was normal before and wasnt a crminal
but after
he was scavenging and looking for parts in the blown up factory
which means
it must have been hella important to be able to survive the reactor blowing up
proud pike
okay, then take the option that people in 2070-2080 are stupid idiots and gave the servants artificial intelligence, then many questions will disappear at once.
steel girder
this is a crackpot theory
so
In junkestiens revange he gets the secret to create life
but
what if they are nodding at junkrat haveing the secret to omnic life in the acctual lore
like the soruce code
because as i said before
why would they heavliy protect something that could survive a reactor blast unless it was very important
and it was in the heart of the factory
so it could have been used in the factory and the factory could not function without it
swift mason
That's actually not a bad theory
swift mason
Since we don't know what his treasure is, it could be anything
steel girder
yes
swift mason
including source code
steel girder
yes and why if it wasnt important to omnics
would they make it survie a nucular blast
proud pike
A.I. u mean?
steel girder
but when he discovers what it actually is