nah
#lore-discussion
dense violet
I was about to question where he went from deadlock to blackwatch
peak escarp
dense violet
Do we have information on where he fit in within deadlock or were him and ashe just known members
peak escarp
the photo from Ana's origin, with ages added
McCree and Ashe were both founders of the gang
dense violet
do we know of any other original members/founders or just him her and BOB
peak escarp
there's two others in the picture, but we don't know who they are
peak escarp
we'll probably find out in the novel next year
the woman on the right is Sojourn
we don't know who the guy on the left is
dense violet
That's awesome
white cobalt
Speaking of deadlock, there is a book coming right?
peak escarp
yes, next June
dense violet
is sojourn an LT or a captain within overwatch
peak escarp
Ana hasn't returned
only Soldier, Mercy, Reaper and probably Sombra know she's alive
oh and Doomfist
dense violet
ok I was like I swear I remember her speaking to at least jack about it
I need to sleep before I get into a rabbithole of lore but I appreciate all the help you've provided
peak escarp
hard sinew
Thx
vocal nymph
i hate how i keep reading these from right to left, manga messed me up man
peak escarp
lol
young knoll
I did, but you kept your response, so I responded as if it was to me
hard sinew
swift mason
Ok then, tell us what you know about the overwatch universe
elder cloak
it’s cool
swift mason
What is the name of Brig's cat?
peak escarp
I'm not going to believe that coming from someone who thought Mercy rezzed Reaper
swift mason
Dude I wouldn't shitpost if I were you, at least in this channel
elder cloak
bruh
saying a number isn’t really ah it posting
just a joke xD
I'm not going to believe that coming from someone who thought Mercy rezzed Reaper
@peak escarp
not everyone is right
My evidence was also from google
¯_(ツ)_/¯
peak escarp
google can be wrong
elder cloak
Not if it’s a thread
Answered by thousands of people
!!
there are some people out there that are 95% Overwatch nerds
swift mason
We are in that 95%, and we can tell you right now that Mercy didn't rez reaper
swift mason
Moira gave Reyes his ghostly powers and managed to survive the Swiss HQ explosion through his wraith form (presumably)
peak escarp
Mercy rezzing Reaper is the biggest misconception in the Overwatch lore community
elder cloak
then his cells regenerated
swift mason
Reyes is reaper
peak escarp
the writers have debunked it several times
elder cloak
lul
peak escarp
nothing in the lore indicates that it's true
swift mason
Thats the whole point
peak escarp
!!shitposting @elder cloak
twilit nacelleBOT
@elder cloak Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
swift mason
Lore is the definite evidence
peak escarp
by going to the sources
elder cloak
I thought you were a regular
peak escarp
the comics, the shorts, the articles, etc.
peak escarp
no
peak escarp
they are posted on the Overwatch website
swift mason
!!loreguide
elder cloak
ok
and the evidence
(Overwatch website)
is on the search engine
Which is google
!!!
200 IQ
mr regular man
swift mason
That's Ma'am to you
hard sinew
I wouldn't even bother replying at this point
elder cloak
feelsbad
hard sinew
Idk if they're trying to be funny or actually think there right 
peak escarp
probably just a troll
elder cloak
this channel has a description of serious
swift mason
Yes
elder cloak
I like how people just a like this to new people
gr8 community
always arguing huh
think you’re always right
peak escarp
because we are
swift mason
because we are
swift mason
Ok then, ask us a question and I can guarantee that we can answer it
elder cloak
at this point I don’t really care if ur right or not all I know is y’all are not regulars
A regular would know how to be nice to new comers
man just argues his way to being right
swift mason
I was trying to help you by saying don't shitpost
hard sinew
We haven't not been nice we've been shutting down what u say because your wrong lmao
peak escarp
and if you think we're mean, wait til Jewvia shows up
swift mason
A mod
hard sinew
Lmao I'd love to see juvia argue with this person
elder cloak
cool
I’ll just leave. Don’t wanna talk to people who talk to people who think they’re right all the time
No one is
And if u think you are you’re stupid
Period
No comment
peak escarp
okay bye
swift mason
Well then
swift mason
It literally says [serious]
elder cloak
Have fun in life people with ur right brains
serious fun
Sherlock
u can have fun being serious
elder cloak
indeed
hard sinew
You came in the server and started arguing with people even though your wrong and got told the truth
echo lily
what even is “truth”?
swift mason
What is real
hard sinew
Read the entire thing
swift mason
Anyway, back to lore
elder cloak
Yes. Back to lore we go
I am refreshed
It is a new day
anyone know who D.VA is shipped with 👀
valid terrace
No-one
elder cloak
ah
valid terrace
Maybe Dae-Hyun
valid terrace
If you mean non-canon, then everyone
elder cloak
right but to be fair
D.Va hasn't met any of the other heroes
@peak escarp
She technically has because Genji is a hero
Just not canon
;-;
swift mason
But in the canon, they haven't met
elder cloak
yuh
swift mason
there's a difference
elder cloak
I mean actually
wait idk
in zero hour she had a “we are line”
but idk if she joined Overwatch yet at the time
swift mason
?
swift mason
That's not for OW2, that was for the first game,
elder cloak
She prob is in Overwatch when she said that
peak escarp
swift mason
She will be in OW2, but we havent seen her yet
peak escarp
she might be
elder cloak
she is
peak escarp
it hasn't been confirmed or even mentioned
peak escarp
it's an ad for the game
elder cloak
Only overwatch heroes said that
peak escarp
she's in the game
elder cloak
Uh huh
swift mason
It's just an advertisement showing off the heroes
elder cloak
And the game is based on overwatch recall
peak escarp
Pharah also has a line, she was never an Overwatch agent
elder cloak
she will be though
elder cloak
in winstons recall it showed her
ID
and she always dreamed to be a overwatch hero
but it got shut down
so most likely she prob will
peak escarp
Pharah was not shown in Winston's Recall
swift mason
Yeah so she isn't in overwatch at the moment
elder cloak
it isn’t
peak escarp
she would not receive the recall because she was never an agent
her mother was an agent
peak escarp
her mother was also MIA and assumed dead
peak escarp
so they wouldn't sent a recall to Pharah
peak escarp
With her exemplary record, Fareeha was well placed to join the ranks of Overwatch, but before she had that opportunity, Overwatch was disbanded.
elder cloak
indeed
swift mason
So what's your point
elder cloak
nothing
elder cloak
we’re just talking about how DVA and pharrah will be in OW2
which is@cool
pharrah wish dream come true
peak escarp
elder cloak
have you ever wondered if mcree and Genji figures out their old@commander was reaper
Pharrah might quit helix to join OW since she was dedicated to@overwatch
And DVA might get backup from overwatch
And then decide to join it
just a theory
¯_(ツ)_/¯
peak escarp
she was, but that was years ago
elder cloak
she still could be
peak escarp
she might have a conflict of interest
swift mason
Theories are good to have, but you got to be prepared for if they are wrong
peak escarp
and have evidence to back them up
swift mason
We can't be sure
elder cloak
I think it was to go search for Gabriel
swift mason
Not much info has been given on his business
peak escarp
he doesn't know Gabriel survived
peak escarp
although if he met Reaper, he'd probably recognize him
swift mason
Correct
elder cloak
Gabriel is almost like a father to Mcree so I’m sure he would notice just by voice even
Idk
probably tho
swift mason
I'm sure more info will be given about Mccree and reaper's relationship sooner or later
elder cloak
yeas
echo and mcree seemed to have a good relationship in cinematic s
wonder what that’s about
echo knew mcree before he cut his arm
swift mason
Mccree was hired to be private security for Dr. Liao's secret project (that being Echo)
swift mason
Omnics can't drink silly
elder cloak
echo doesn’t look nearly like an omnic tho
swift mason
She's more of a highly advanced AI
elder cloak
I also wonder how echo knew Winston
swift mason
that also happens to be a robot
swift mason
The secret echo project wasn't too secret, the team knew about her but they didn't know she was a Highly advanced AI, so they've had her on missions before the shutdown, but they didn't know that she could adapt
elder cloak
adapt to who tho
Winston?
so Winston was on the missions
?
cause when McCree said monkey she had no ideA
but scientist she had an idea
swift mason
Adapt to her surroundings and learn new things
Winston knew her, but not until now did he know that she was smart
swift mason
Yes, because Liao wanted to prove to the world that Omnics and Humans can truly get along
Since she was one of the people responsible for creating the omnics in the first place, thus the omnic crisis
valid terrace
It was mostly re-hash and setup, even more than the first one
proud pike
I didn't understand the ending a bit. So Iggy wanted Tracer dead, or what?
valid terrace
Iggy believes that Tracer chose to save herself instead of Mondatta
Which lines up with something Kace said earlier
proud pike
To be honest, I don't think Iggy is a "special" omnic at all. I think she's just messing with Tracer for the parts.
C'mon she's a regular thief. I'll bet she stole this parts in LC1 only for herself
Again, this is purely my opinion
valid terrace
I don't think she's supposed to be special anyway
She just has common interests with Tracer
proud pike
Well so far she is presented in this light
She just has common interests with Tracer
@valid terrace
And that's why she can steal with impunity...
Something doesn't fit
valid terrace
She stole because she had to
It would be like if pet stores stopped selling dog food but still stocked it in the back
proud pike
So far, I see their "friendship" only in the interests of one of them
valid terrace
That's because Tracer likes helping people
Them being a lost cause that she still wants to help is one of the reasons for Kace's suspicion about her
Or at least his followers
proud pike
Well, maybe it's my conservative, Russian distrust. But I don't trust these cans
Maximum - to the monks who were taught by Mondatta
valid terrace
Neither does most of Britain
proud pike
We will never come to an answer in this dispute
But still someone uses someone to their advantage, and for me such a "friendship" is not very cool.
Well, come what may, we'll see in the third part
anyway, gtg
valid terrace
dense violet
Was the area from the tracer comic below king's row
weary owl
dense violet
It's the underworld but I was left wondering if that's what we saw beneath king's row
lament prawn
yeah, that’s it
cerulean ice
the final point of kings row is literally the underworld
clear nest
okay?
dense violet
That's what I was talking about comma
valid terrace
The second one takes place on zone 1 and on the roofs
hushed jetty
what about hanzo v genji
valid terrace
I mean, having a mostly cybernetic body does help you for fighting
terse oar
He found peace compared to Hanzo who was still stricken with grief
elder cloak
well
cybernetic body just means faster reflexes
it doesnt mean your strong all of a sudden
but in the genji vs hanzo genji never even intended to fight him
and lets say hanzo had a cybernetic body
he would still lose
because in tradition a bow is a secondary weapon while a katana is a primary weapon
peak escarp
when they fought originally Hanzo used a sword
elder cloak
yes
thats why genji became the stronger dragon the moment hanzo put down his sword
at the time hanzo was also older
so he had a bit more experience
cosmic crest
He's only 2 years older.
peak escarp
Hanzo is 38, Genji is 35
cosmic crest
3 years then.
dense violet
a secondary weapon is just not generally your first line of defense or offense and either way he's a master archer so he could just as well have probably won
elder cloak
3 years is a big time difference
cosmic crest
not really.
cosmic crest
He might have a bit more experience.
elder cloak
to a 4 year old
cosmic crest
That is not an appropriate comparison.
dense violet
we're talking about adults not developmental children
peak escarp
the younger you are, the bigger the difference is
dense violet
Not inherently
peak escarp
but for adults, 3 years isnt much
dense violet
If genji were training more than hanzo were he could win or the other way around
elder cloak
i mean we knew genji was training
hanzo was training to become a master bowmen
Bowman ninja and swordman ninja wre what they were called
peak escarp
Genji was also less serious about his studies pre-cyborg
he goofed off and was an embarrassment to the family
dense violet
Hanzo clearly has great amounts of skill with his bow and perception as does genji with his sword
peak escarp
in the Dragons fight, you can tell Genji was holding back against him
peak escarp
just testing him
elder cloak
limit testing
when they bothed used their ultimates
when genji turned the blue dragon around
his dragonw as facing up
so it shows that genji wasnt actually trying to kill his brother
it probably would if genji let his dragon go through hanzo
dense violet
Hanzo didn't seem to be trying terrible hard either
They were talking as much as fighting
cosmic crest
He really was.
elder cloak
thats cause he was filled with rage
worthy rose
He was
cosmic crest
You could see he was really frustrated.
elder cloak
^
candid juniper
Do we know the specifics of how Hanzo killed Genji?
What I mean is did they have a duel or did Hanzo straight up attack him after he refused to participate in his family’s clan?
dense violet
He was frustrated but that doesn't mean he doesn't have enough control to not waste all his energy on another assassin
peak escarp
we don't know the specifics
candid juniper
Ah
elder cloak
when u are frustrated you dont play that well @dense violet
its like if you are mad you cant cocentrate on landing ur arrows
and the topic was on his brother he killed
so he mustve been real mad :>
dense violet
I'm aware of how frustration affects people but he already mentioned he wasn't the first assassin nor would he be the last meaning they've tried before and he doesn't wish to put an intense amount of effort into killing him until that final bit when he was already pissed off if it was another fight he would already be expecting his brother
elder cloak
"you are not the first assassin sent to kill me, and you will not be the last" the other assassins he dealt with were either not as strong as genji or even they didnt talk about genji
but i have a question why wouldnt you want to eliminate someone thats trying to eliminate you?
dense violet
He was so frustrated by his assumption genji was dead and after that show of deflecting the dragons he would know it was his brother
cosmic crest
I thought that line indicated that he would fail to kill him.
dense violet
I'm not saying he didn't want to kill him just that it isn't a perfect example
elder cloak
actually hanzo didnt know it was genji
"only a shimada can control the dragons
who are you?"
dense violet
He can put 2 and 2 together after the fight ended
elder cloak
or he couldve had his head chopped off before anything
and after that point hanzo had 0 arrows left and he used basically all his energy
dense violet
But he didn't and that wasn't the point of your original topic you said you wanted to just discuss hanzo v genji not necessarily that one fight
jagged knot
He has a point
dense violet
I assumed you meant an entire different fight
dense violet
Just a fight not necessarily another canonical fight
jagged knot
When does Hanson have a sword
jagged knot
Ok
elder cloak
Just a fight not necessarily another canonical fight
@dense violet
were talking about canon tho
are we not
He was so frustrated by his assumption genji was dead and after that show of deflecting the dragons he would know it was his brother
@dense violet this was also in that particular fight so im not sure where your at
dense violet
We are at this point I was trying to use canon to see who would win in an entirely different fight
elder cloak
100% genji
genji beat hanzo with ease
he was calm the entire fight
whereas hanzo was enraged
jagged knot
Mostly because of his cybernetics
elder cloak
and his training with a sword
dense violet
Again in another fight he knows what to expect so it won't work a second time
jagged knot
True
elder cloak
if genji was a human, that fight woudlve been closer
jagged knot
Maybe
elder cloak
are you sure about that?
dense violet
He was there to grieve the loss of his brother and suddenly someone claiming to be his brother showed up
elder cloak
a bow and arrow can only do so much
dense violet
That's why he got pissed off
elder cloak
to a ninja that can ltierally deflect bullets
but he didnt claim it was genji until the end
dense violet
He doesn't necessarily have to continue using the bow
jagged knot
He can in the game
dense violet
He deflects in the short
elder cloak
i think there was something in cannon
dense violet
That's what his redirection of hanzo's dragon was
same as the discussion of rez yesterday
It's an artistic interpretation but now it's lore
elder cloak
actually
hushed jetty
he also deflected hanzo's arrows
dense violet
i'm not claiming it to be a blowout win for hanzo just that it's not as one sided as "genji wins lol"
jagged knot
Maybe
lament prawn
we saw him deflect more than just bullets, look at his entrance in zero hour
hushed jetty
oh yeah
elder cloak
even after genji told hanzo it was him, he ltierally still shot him
worthy rose
It is at any time Genji could of used dragon blade
hushed jetty
he deflected an entire shot of energy, or whatever it was
worthy rose
Or blitz Hanzo
dense violet
Your entire point so far is that hanzo was pissed off and not at the top of this game there
elder cloak
He deflected 3 shots @hushed jetty
dense violet
He was there to grieve the loss of his brother and suddenly someone claiming to be his brother showed up
@dense violet
elder cloak
making his blade red
fringe blade
I still don't know why Genji didn't just go for the actual omnic, seeing how his blade could cut through its armor
dense violet
That's why he was pissed off
elder cloak
@dense violet
@dense violet again, genji did not start off by claming
he was taunting hanzo
dense violet
In an entirely seperate event that won't work as easily
hushed jetty
well if he went for the omnic itself, the short would've been cut in half
elder cloak
i mean his ultimate cut through the hand, not the armor @fringe blade
hushed jetty
pun partially intended
dense violet
He now knows what to expect
jagged knot
Bro it is impossible to win against a robot
elder cloak
also have you taken to account hanzo wasnt frustrated after genji admitted it was his brother
dense violet
If he was just an archer without any other tricks or skills than he wouldn't even be up for a discussion
dense violet
everyone misses sometimes dude
elder cloak
a master bowmen shouldnt miss 5 or 6 shots
elder cloak
that just shows how fast genji is
and then hanzo wont keep up with genji
and hes gona lose
did yous ee in the cinematics how fast hanzo ran out of arrows
dense violet
If he was pissed off of course he's not on top of his game and shouldn't necessarily be held to the exact same standard
elder cloak
Hanzo didn't attack Genji after he confessed to being his brother
@fringe blade yea he did
dense violet
That's logistical not necessarily important to the next fight
elder cloak
he tried shooting genji in the butt
fringe blade
No he didn't
elder cloak
but then genji ran awayy
elder cloak
ye
fringe blade
He also lowered the bow
elder cloak
"tried shooting"
jagged knot
He aimed not shot
elder cloak
keyword is tried
fringe blade
He didn't even try to shoot
fringe blade
It was more of a threatening gesture than anything
jagged knot
Idk either ask hanzo
elder cloak
and a blade that can deflect omnic shots
fringe blade
Because someone aiming a bow at you shows that they are angry at you?
Or they mean you harm?
elder cloak
well hanzo is stupid then considering genji meant no harm
in the 1v1
imagine trying to kill your brother again for a second time
lol
hushed jetty
i mean... did he know genji meant no harm
jagged knot
Then why he shoot the dragon at him
hushed jetty
at first he thought genji was an assassin, right
elder cloak
i mean, if he had a brain
you do realized there were 2 moments
that genji couldve killed hanzo
easily
- he controlled his dragon straight into hanzo, 1 dragon already made him to his knees
- he couldve cut his head off with his blade
elder cloak
yes
"who are you"
i dont understand how cakes says hanzo can win
even concentrated
worthy rose
He can't
elder cloak
at the beginning of the fight genji dodged every arrow
worthy rose
Genji would easily deflect everything
dense violet
I'm not saying he wins I'm saying he's not just going to get blown out of the water
elder cloak
he is
elder cloak
the goal of genjis little fight there
dense violet
if you're going to just no genji wins lol this entire time then why did you want a discussion of it
fringe blade
Depends if Hanzo picks up his sword or not
elder cloak
well because its fun to discuss
lmfao
Hanzo dropped his sword when he killed genji, his sword mechanics are slow, rusty and bad
worthy rose
Even if Hanzo picks up a sword he can't keep up with Genji's reflex
elder cloak
^
fringe blade
There's no way of telling, though he is probably out of practice
dense violet
I'm just going it's not fun if the whole argument for him winning if he's a robot he wins
fringe blade
Just cause he's a robot doesn't mean he definitely has the edge
elder cloak
i give it to you theres no way
fringe blade
Being a robot doesn't necessarily make you better
fringe blade
This is a pointless discussion
dense violet
exactly
elder cloak
well the obvious answer is shown
dense violet
then why bring it up
elder cloak
just wanted to see what y'all had in mind
worthy rose
Some are pointless
elder cloak
because its fun to talk?
worthy rose
Like this since the victor is obvious
dense violet
You're just absolutely shutting all critical thinking down and saying he's a robot ninja
elder cloak
critical thinking lul
fringe blade
No, its pointless because strength is subjective
worthy rose
I never said he was winning because hes a robot
dense violet
I'm saying that you aren't thinking critically about anything other than that he's angry and genji Could have killed him in the original fight
elder cloak
the chat was dead for a good 10 hours and just wanted to talk
see how people actually discuss lore
elder cloak
aight then
onto the next discussion we go
i do like meself some tobjorn and bastion though
clear nest
How does Moiras powers work?
clear nest
canon obviously
clear nest
elder cloak
kek indeed
valid terrace
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twilit nacelleBOT
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valid terrace
I don't think those are the orbs like we see in game
I think it's just the hand powers
elder cloak
thats pretty cool
valid terrace
The succ and give
elder cloak
ocmis command huh
valid terrace
We see the succ in the opening Retribution cutscene
And the pack on her back is supposed to link to the healing spray
But we haven't seen her abilities beyond that afaik
It's likely she has wraith powers from Reaper though
gusty sluice
I looked it up and the actual name of the succ is Biotic Grasp
valid terrace
Yeah
limpid agate
@elder cloak If you don't know the answer, don't make one up
This is how misinformation spreads
limpid agate
Not all abilities are canon
elder cloak
And it heals/does damage
limpid agate
For example, Discord Orb doesn't exist
limpid agate
And Mercy can't actually resurrect the dead
Moira's biotic energy is an adaptation of Mercy's tech
elder cloak
yes
valid terrace
Unless there is evidence of it's existence outside of the game, then it is usually not considered canon
gusty sluice
Its canon because it exists in game right? Also the biotic grasp is not headcanon
hushed jetty
some abilities haven't been seen in lore yet
such as Bap's Amp Matrix
so we don't really know if it actually exists
valid terrace
Or more accurately, we don't know it's strength in the lore
Many abilities work differently than in-game
hushed jetty
like mercy's resurrect
or orisa "bongo"
valid terrace
Right
So we don't take the game appearances as gospel truth
They are altered or fabricated for balancing purposes
cosmic crest
Most abilities should be considered cannon.
But there are a few that are questionable.
clear nest
bold of you to say that
cosmic crest
Why?
terse oar
I see “physical” abilities (Blink, Immortality Field, Piledriver) as canon, and the more supernatural/magical ones as non canon until proven
cosmic crest
The only "magical" abilities are Genji and Hanzo's dragons and those are cannon, although it's been said by the devs that there are no magical or spiritual elements in Overwatch.
terse oar
You know what I mean by magical and stuff
young knoll
I sort of have my doubts coalescence is canon
terse oar
I don’t think it is
cosmic crest
It's her ultimate. I think it's really important.
I'd say the orbs are more off-putting.
terse oar
Ultimates are typically the biggest gray area lol
hushed jetty
Just because it's her ult doesn't mean it's actually canon
There are several characters with ults that aren't confirmed canon
young knoll
I mean, biotic tech is sort of an unknown generally, right?
terse oar
Yes, it’s rather unknown
young knoll
yeah, I would doubt the orbs as well
but coalescence is one of my bigger things that I assume are not canon
or not to the extent of the game
cosmic crest
I'd label coalescence as a "maybe"
young knoll
I would be relatively certain it doesn't pierce shields
young knoll
else it would likely have more weapon applications
come to think of it, why does coalescence do so, but not her other stuff?
I get why from a gameplay perspective
balancing
but otherwise it is a bit out of place
cosmic crest
Not really.
young knoll
how so
cosmic crest
If her biotic grasp could pierce shields it would be op.
terse oar
Her beam not going through shields you mean?
young knoll
when coalescence can, yes
midnight shoal
You know I'd love if the gameplay actually reflected the lore.
terse oar
It doesn’t
midnight shoal
It's unrealistic but it'd be cool
terse oar
Depending on which part you’re referring to
young knoll
who, me, or FalseTrajectory?
midnight shoal
Like ability interactions and such
cosmic crest
It should. obviously being a multiplayer game there are liberties that need to be made but when writing for a video game, the gameplay and story NEED to connect to a degree.
midnight shoal
But balance is important so it's never going to happen
young knoll
one would think the story would want to be balanced according to gameplay
young knoll
for instance, shields in the story seem impenetrable except by being overwhelmed
but in game they can be melee'd through and some attacks go through
midnight shoal
I don't understand why they made the power discrepancy so large in lore
terse oar
What do you mean by that?
cosmic crest
Power discrepancy?
young knoll
they probably thought it made for a better story
midnight shoal
Basically, in game characters can actually fight each other without dying (most of the time) but in lore the same interaction would be very different
young knoll
well the game fundamentally isn't lore reflective due to allowing opposing heros to be on the same team
midnight shoal
And yes, how abilities are much weaker or stronger ic
young knoll
I do think that the ability difference does make cause a bit of a disconnect between the two, but you can probably chalk that up to balancing
midnight shoal
Well I understand why
terse oar
Mainly balancing as Grike said and realism
midnight shoal
But couldn't the lore reflect the gameplay a little better?
cosmic crest
Considering Overwatch is a multiplayer game, I think they have done a good job of expressing the story through the game with things like hero interactions and map details.
midnight shoal
Oh I agree
terse oar
How would you make it reflect the gameplay though without it seeming boring or old
young knoll
the lore probably could a bit, ability wise, but you can make an argument that the game already diverges so much it isn't that big of a deal
Reaper fighting with Soldier 76 just isn't going to happen
midnight shoal
But it would've been nice if the gameplay and lore could've met halfway
midnight shoal
Yeah, but it's just the way they look
young knoll
most all abilities do exist in lore, some in different forms, admittedly, but they do exist
even the cryo gun, which I thought was the least likely for a while
cosmic crest
That's not an ability though.
cosmic crest
The walls I can understand.
young knoll
not usually common to be able to make giant walls with so little material out of thin air
midnight shoal
I understand why they didn't implement full on smoke physics for reaper's wraith form but couldn't it look more like it does in lore or vice versa?
young knoll
no
cosmic crest
I don't think there should be any argument whether a heroes primary weapon is cannon or not, except maybe Zen's but I doubt it.
young knoll
he can spread out very thin in lore
midnight shoal
And there are more examples of this
young knoll
go through small cracks and whatnot
cosmic crest
@midnight shoal tbh, I think you are being a bit pedantic.
young knoll
I think Simga's primary is probably not canon fully
midnight shoal
You can tell where abilites came from or what they are supposed to be but its not very clear sometimes
cosmic crest
The heroes still have their abilities, why does matter if they look slightly different?
clear nest
Sigma wouldn’t fight, so probably not
cosmic crest
There are technical limitations they have to work with.
midnight shoal
I know that. So why no make the lore reflect the game appearance wise (more or less)
young knoll
probably to tell a "better story"
clear nest
wdym appearance wise
cosmic crest
Sigma has had very little presence in the lore so far but I'd say he'd have a greater chance of appearing in combat than Mei and we have already seen her in Zero Hour.
midnight shoal
And in the future who knows?
cosmic crest
Because they aren't going to limit themselves if they don't have too.
young knoll
they can't design the game off of maybes
cosmic crest
And frankly I don't think it matters.
midnight shoal
In the grand scheme of things it doesn't
young knoll
I do think it matters in cases where they could fit it but do not, but otherwise I am of the same opinion
midnight shoal
It just would tie the lore and gameplay even closer together
It's not a big deal and other things should 100% come first
But it would be nice if one day they tweaked things a little
cosmic crest
Can you give an example please? Because I can't think of many.
midnight shoal
Gimme a second. I'm on mobile so it might take me awhile
Oh you want just one
Off the top of my head reaper's abilities don't match what they look like ic
cosmic crest
If by don't match you mean there is more smoke when he uses it in the shorts then I guess...
peak escarp
they look the way they do in the game so you can track him/line up headshots easier
peak escarp
he can't vanish completely, he has to remain somewhat Reaper-shaped
cosmic crest
I think that's actually quite interesting. It might suggest his genetic altering is flawed or didn't turn out quite right compared to Moira's.
peak escarp
then it would look less like the shorts
midnight shoal
^
young knoll
The point he is making is to make the lore more like the game
midnight shoal
Just cosmetics wise
peak escarp
I'd rather make the game more like the lore
midnight shoal
Not gameplay wise
young knoll
Can’t do that for wraith form
Or a bunch of things
Then resurrect wouldn’t be a thing
peak escarp
the lore gets to use the Rule of Cool™️
midnight shoal
I said cosmetic only?
young knoll
That still causes problems
Lore resurrect doesn’t look like game resurrect, and they don’t do the same things
I mean they look similarish
It doesn’t work
young knoll
I am not saying they could not, but the lore would have to be changed basically
That is unlikely to happen
They do not retcon often
In fact, I cannot actually remember an actual retcon
cosmic crest
Nor should they.
midnight shoal
^
young knoll
What have they retconned?
cosmic crest
I think they said something about the omnics being a hive mind. That got dropped.
peak escarp
they retconned Iggy to being a witness to Tracer and Widowmaker's fight
young knoll
That was never stated to not have happened, was it?
hushed jetty
when did they say iggy saw tracer and widow's fight?
young knoll
Isn’t that more expounding?
peak escarp
most of the things people think are retcons are just things that changed between development/ beta and launch
@hushed jetty in London Calling #2
hushed jetty
oh
cosmic crest
You should read it.
It good.
midnight shoal
How much can Mercy heal ic?
peak escarp
unknown
midnight shoal
She cant rez obviously
peak escarp
she saved Genji when he was on the brink of death, but wasn't able to restore his spine
midnight shoal
Wasn't he cut in half?
hushed jetty
i read it already, i just don't remember that part
maybe it's because i'm just tired
peak escarp
she can't regrow missing limbs or severed nerves
midnight shoal
If so then that makes sense
cosmic crest
Is Genji missing a leg?
midnight shoal
Both legs?
midnight shoal
I know he has an arm
cosmic crest
I think his right arm was likely severed.
midnight shoal
But is missing one
peak escarp
he got the Anakin treatment
peak escarp
we don't actually know if his limbs were severed during the fight or if they were removed as part of the cyberization process
midnight shoal
When did Mercy get to Genji?
cosmic crest
You'd think he'd want to keep as much of his natural body as possible so I'd bet on him losing them.
midnight shoal
Also, was that part about her not being able to regrow limbs/repair nerves directly stated or was it infered from Genji's predicament?
cosmic crest
This is just a headcannon, but I imagined Overwatch was launching a sting on the Shimada Clan the same time Genji and Hanzo where having their duel.
cosmic crest
I mean, I think it would be both of them since they both lost limbs.
midnight shoal
What if it's a time thing?
peak escarp
midnight shoal
Didn't Torb lose his hand during operation white dome?
peak escarp
If only Angela's dreams of tissue regeneration were a reality! I told her she should be working harder!
midnight shoal
When did that happen?
peak escarp
as a child, Mercy had a dream of being able to regrow people's missing limbs
this was 23 years ago
Angela was 14
peak escarp
if she was able to do it now, she would have done it for Torb
midnight shoal
But what if it's a time thing
cosmic crest
Angela is a family friend of the Lindholms, but I've always wondered how since she's Swiss and they are from Sweden.
peak escarp
I have a theory that Ingrid is related to Angela (aunt or cousin)
midnight shoal
Basically, what if you go too long without treatment your nerves/arm wouldn't be able to be regrown
cosmic crest
Wow, that would be a bit of a reveal.
peak escarp
but the Lindholms could just be friends of Angela's parents before they died, and they offered to look after her
cosmic crest
That'd be sweet.
midnight shoal
Those are both possible
peak escarp
we dont know what Angela's parents did, maybe one/both were in the Ironclad guild
terse oar
Are Torbjörn and Reinhardt friends simply due to both being original OW members?
peak escarp
probably
terse oar
It seems to be a stronger relationship compared to the other members, so I wasn’t sure
peak escarp
also because Reinhardt saved Torbjorn's life
terse oar
That to
peak escarp
Jack and Gabe were friends from their SEP days
terse oar
Yes
peak escarp
and Ana became the third of that trio
terse oar
Might be because she’s “new,” but Liao seems to really be left out 
peak escarp
she probably wasn't in the field much
she seems like more of a behind the scenes worker
cosmic crest
I do hope we get some sort of lore in the likeness of First Strike where we get to see the 6 founding members for the first time.
I just generally want more crisis and pre-crisis lore.
For such a substantial event, we really haven't seen much of it.
terse oar
I would like more story on the formation of OW (like the members being selected and meeting)
Especially since Reinhardt technically wasn’t supposed to be there
limpid agate
The selection isn't as interesting
We already know why everyone was chosen
And they can't do the Balderich story twice
peak escarp
I have a feeling it's being saved for a big reveal, either in animation or a novel or a set of missions
cosmic crest
I hope so.
If they ever make an Overwatch movie, having it be set during the crisis would be cool.
peak escarp
although I do want to see how the UN and everyone reacted when Reinhardt showed up instead of Balderich and told them what happened
cosmic crest
I always imagined their first mission was to take down one of the omniums, something no single nation had been able to accomplish before.
midnight shoal
Man, imagine the scale of an assault on an omnium
All the different nations fighting together
It'd be so cool
cosmic crest
I've thought about it many times.
I think what make Overwatch (the organisation) so inspiring is how it brought all major militaries together.
All of humanity united under a common goal.
midnight shoal
Indeed.
peak escarp
I wonder if they'd ever do a Story Mission without a support hero
midnight shoal
Apart from the og six, where there other Overwatch agents or did they expand after the crisis?
peak escarp
since there weren't any among the founders
midnight shoal
Ana?
peak escarp
Ana was just a sniper
midnight shoal
Oh.
peak escarp
until after her duel with Widowmaker
cosmic crest
She didn't have her Biotic Rifle back then.
midnight shoal
I just realized. Oops
cosmic crest
They would need to have some level mechanic to heal.
I think they could make it work somehow.
midnight shoal
Maybe they just relied on medics from the UN army
cosmic crest
I mean for an in-game mission.
midnight shoal
But that require ana be changed
peak escarp
there are the item pickups
midnight shoal
And their not going to do that
peak escarp
iirc one of them was a healing pod, like Soldier's biotic field but stronger
cosmic crest
I doubt they would do it for that reason.
midnight shoal
Like with reaper in retribution
midnight shoal
But thats a whole mode
peak escarp
I don't think they'd be against changing a hero for a story mission
cosmic crest
I'd be happy to see it.
midnight shoal
Which was built around Mei
cosmic crest
But they'd have to change Reyes too since this was pre augmentations.
peak escarp
I picture it being Jack, Gabe, Rein and Torbjorn, with Liao and Ana on comms (and maybe a sniper shot here and there from Ana at crucial moments)
midnight shoal
Maybe we could get young everyone voicelines (for the applicable heroes)
And if they do I hope they add them to their young skins
Maybe that'll happen in OW2
cosmic crest
I doubt it, that's a lot of voice work to do for not really any substantial difference.
midnight shoal
I hope at least they'll give us the reyes voice lines. They already exist.
lament prawn
i'd personally love to see the details that would come with changing a hero for a mission, but realistically i dont think they'd worry about ana being a healer, considering even the crazy talents are going to be in the story missions (maybe they'd change the sound of her gun and the syringe projectile model into a sniper bullet, but healing is part of her identity as a hero so i dont think they'd go as far as removing that)