Drug testing is not the same as genetic modification and even then new drugs need to go through tons of trials before they can be approved,
#lore-discussion
cosmic crest
bronze wave
Also people can sign legal contracts to say that they are okay with the experiment
fringe blade
That's not how that works lol
granite grove
Why the hecc are we talking about this anyway
fringe blade
Like Draco said, drug testing is completely different
bronze wave
Why
peak escarp
because AbsolutMayhem2u is bored
granite grove
This is just barely connected to overwatch
fringe blade
You can't compare drug testing and genetic engineering
cosmic crest
Those two things are not even remotely similar.
clear nest
I think the reason Winston wasn’t shunned from the scientific community was because he was a hero and at the time people adored Overwatch
granite grove
Makes sense
bronze wave
Actually I'm here to pass the time until my vod reviewer responds
peak escarp
so I was right
clear nest
Also a giant gorilla teaching a science class is cool af
fringe blade
Drug testing and genetic engineering are two completely different ends of the spectrum
peak escarp
it's okay, I spark discussions when I'm bored too
granite grove
Yes and one is FREAKING TERRIBLE and isn’t shunned and the other isn’t really but is still shunned
bronze wave
Still though, not everyone has the same ethical point of view
granite grove
True
clear nest
would you guys say Moira is a terrible person?
peak escarp
!!shitposting @hardy prairie
twilit nacelleBOT
@hardy prairie Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
bronze wave
Moira is a criminal
fringe blade
That depends how you look at things
limpid agate
Most heroes in the game are criminals or wanted by the law
clear nest
I mean what she does for her research
granite grove
Depends on how Moira tested on the animals
limpid agate
The ones who aren't can be counted on your hands
clear nest
not really her being with talon
peak escarp
Moira was shunned by the scientific community because her experiments couldn't be replicated, which means either she faked the methods or faked the results
fringe blade
She believes that scientific and medical progress and end result justifies the means
peak escarp
both are bad science
fringe blade
Whether you think that's evil or not is up to you
clear nest
I think her sprays indicate she did ducked experiments with rabbits
fringe blade
Though I do think that she doesn't fit under either category (evil or good)
bronze wave
Moira was shunned because of her ethics not her results
limpid agate
Heroes who aren't criminals, terrorists, or otherwise wanted by the law as of Zero Hour:
- D.Va
- Orisa
- Pharah
- Torbjorn (maybe)
- Hammond
- Zarya
- Zenyatta
lament prawn
which means either she faked the methods or faked the results
im gonna assume the former, she doesnt seem like the type to fake results. but it makes sense for her to fake methods to make them sound more ethical
peak escarp
Dissent among her peers soon followed. Many considered her work to be dangerous because of its perceived ethical shortfalls, and O'Deorain was even accused of having the same unchecked desire for scientific advancement that some believed had caused the Omnic Crisis. In addition, other geneticists were unable to reproduce the results of Moira's research, which further called her discoveries into question. Instead of kickstarting her career, her paper seriously damaged her reputation.
she was shunned for both
bronze wave
Fair
limpid agate
Zero Hour: https://bit.ly/2JGfNBP
peak escarp
the most recent short, from last Blizzcon
bronze wave
The OW trailer
bronze wave
If you scroll up enough you can see our discussion on Tracers age
limpid agate
There are 6 or 7 heroes who are not criminals, terrorists, or otherwise wanted by the law.
Torbjorn is questionable, since he did tie up a government agent to save Bastion, who was wanted.
peak escarp
Bastion is wanted, but Bastion itself hasn't done anything wrong
bronze wave
False
peak escarp
its just wanted because its a Bastion unit
clear nest
^
limpid agate
Bastion has never killed anyone, even in war time.
bronze wave
He fought against and may have killed many soldiers
cosmic crest
We don't know that.
bronze wave
He was a bastion bot
limpid agate
Yes, and?
bronze wave
He was programmed to kill
limpid agate
Are you suggesting that every single Bastion killed many soldiers?
granite grove
He hasn’t done anything since the omnic crises but who knows about before that
clear nest
Understandable though, I would be scared to find out a bastion unit was near the city I live
cosmic crest
We know many Bastion units fought and killed people but not specifically this one.
bronze wave
And he had flashbacks to the war
limpid agate
Are you suggesting that every single Bastion killed many soldiers?
Also, you completely misunderstood that scene.
lament prawn
didnt it wake up next to its drop pod? i assumed it never even went into battle at all
limpid agate
He was reading the memory banks of another Bastion unit
didnt he wake up next to his drop pod? i assumed he never even went into battle at all
@lament prawn Yes, he did.
cosmic crest
tbf it is a possibility.
limpid agate
It woke up in its drop pod, suggesting that it never even made it to the battlefield
granite grove
Well if he never went to battle how’d he get shut down
clear nest
Bastion wakes up in the Black Forest, right?
bronze wave
Yep@clear nest
limpid agate
Well if he never went to battle how’d he get shut down
It seems to have malfunctioned. Its a mystery in universe, and Torbjorn wants to know why as well
granite grove
Wait Torbjörn saved him?
bronze wave
But we still see that he has killer instict because he started to march towards the city in his short
peak escarp
bronze wave
With his red eye of death
peak escarp
you can see the shell of its drop pod as it wakes up in The Last Bastion
limpid agate
But we still see that he has killer instict because he started to march towards the city in his short
Again, AFTER it read the memory bank of the other Bastion
granite grove
Honestly before coming in this sever I didn’t know that overwatch had much of a lore
limpid agate
Also when it heard gunfire (which was actually a woodpecker,) it entered combat form
bronze wave
He still has his initially programming
granite grove
Yes
limpid agate
Okay, either way, what is your point?
bronze wave
Also bastion doesn't actually have a gender
limpid agate
He fought against and may have killed many soldiers
Because this is what you said, and it is not correct.
Yes, you are right about the gender
Bastion is cannonically an it
granite grove
So it implies it was trained to fight and knows what gunfire sounds like implying that he has gone to battle
limpid agate
Omnics arent the same as humans.
bronze wave
It* not he. Don't be so intense
limpid agate
You don't need to train an omnic in the same way.
granite grove
Sorry
lament prawn
its initial programming is just that, programming. its not meant to be part of its "heart" or "personality", just programming that it cant control
bronze wave
Bots don't have personality. That's what makes them bots
granite grove
Yes but it does need to know what gunfire sounds like to have reacted to the wood pecker
bronze wave
Their personality is whatever it was programmed to be
limpid agate
Bots don't have personality. That's what makes them bots
And welcome to the main conflict of the Overwatch universe.
worthy rose
i just joined this server and im already in love with the lore channel lol
limpid agate
Where they do develop personality.
cosmic crest
Bastion units are referred to as omnics despite lacking sapience. I'd theorise that maybe all Bastions have have the capability for sapience but their coding prevents them from doing so, our Bastion may have broken free from said coding somehow.
limpid agate
The entire point of Bastion's arc so far is that it is behaving against its programming
bronze wave
They are A.I. they learn and develop based on their experiences
granite grove
The problem is we don’t know how these bots work since it’s so far in the future
lament prawn
Bastion units are referred to as omnics despite lacking sapience. I'd theorise that maybe all Bastions have have the capability for sapience but their coding prevents them from doing so, our Bastion may have broken free from said coding somehow.
yeah, thats how i view all the null sector units as well
bronze wave
Thats why Bastion is one with nature
granite grove
We also don’t know how it works since this all takes plat in the future
bronze wave
Because it never made it to the battle but it still has its initially killer instinct programming
limpid agate
@cosmic crest It could be that there is some form of an Overmind, and by the time Bastion awakened, said Overmind was eliminated and unable to control Bastion.
But that is just mostly baseless speculation
lament prawn
interesting theory
peak escarp
We also don’t know how it works since this all takes plat in the future
@granite grove it may be in the future, but it's the near future - only about 60 years
cosmic crest
Yeah, that's intersting.
limpid agate
And even then, the Omnic Crisis is ~30 years in the future. Bastion woke up ~40 years in the future
bronze wave
Maybe the "Overmind" is that mysterious null sector bot we see with Doom
peak escarp
they're building on technology that is emerging today, like AI programming and robotic weaponry and using drones in combat
limpid agate
Maybe the "Overmind" is that mysterious null sector bot we see with Doom
Its not, that goes against the theory I was making.
granite grove
@peak escarp but we also have improved robots now drastically in less time than 60 years
bronze wave
In 60 years we are probably going to have much better A.I
limpid agate
30 years. The Omnic Crisis was 30 years from now. Overwatch is 60 years from now
bronze wave
But A.I is still A.I. Its still artificial
limpid agate
ANd the Omnics weren't invented in 30 years
They were around for a while before that
peak escarp
the progress of technology is an exponential curve
granite grove
We don’t know how Bastion works and neither does torb
limpid agate
Omnica started up, made their omniums around the world, produced Omnics, had the omniums wear down, shut down, had time pass, and only THEN did the Omnic Crisis start.
granite grove
Which makes this conversation very difficult
cosmic crest
Didn't Liao create the omnics though?
limpid agate
There is one advertisement in Numbani with a year in the 2020s. (or 2030s, I forget)
Yes
peak escarp
Liao was part of the team
bronze wave
We basically have them now
limpid agate
No we don't.
granite grove
The problem with this is that technology has drastically improved in the 60 years between now and overwatch. I mean SOUND CAN HURT NOW APPARENTLY
cosmic crest
I'm not sure if the timeline matches up with that.
bronze wave
With Alexa we have close to the A.I level. All we need is the body
cosmic crest
I don't think Liao was that old when she died post-crisis.
limpid agate
Alexa is not even close to the Omnic ai.
bronze wave
And the materials and money to mass produce them
limpid agate
Nor do we have anything even remotely close to the Omniums
granite grove
@peak escarp HOLY CRAP THATS A THING
limpid agate
@granite grove Not the physical projectiles
granite grove
WHY DO WE STILL USE GUNS
limpid agate
That seems like it is probably an application of hard light.
peak escarp
enough with the caps
granite grove
THIS IS RENEWABLE
limpid agate
But that was never explicitly stated
bronze wave
People are making real lightsabers now so I don't think that the tech is the issue
cosmic crest
I think Lucio might have the most scientifically questionable kit.
limpid agate
2030
granite grove
We are making lightsabers now so who knows what will happen in 60 years
bronze wave
What about freaking HARD LIGHT
You are telling me people can just take plasma and make it cold enough to touch and shape
bronze wave
And reaper
granite grove
yea
cosmic crest
idk, that doesn't stand out as much to me.
bronze wave
With Moira she has a pack, but Reaper just has guns
granite grove
If anything Lucio makes the MOST sense
bronze wave
No
peak escarp
there is still some sci-fi elements
bronze wave
Rein does
granite grove
Out of the three we listed at least
bronze wave
Actually no Widow
bronze wave
Why is it that of all the characters Widow makes the most sense scientifically
granite grove
Idk she’s freaking weird
bronze wave
She's literally a sleeper agent with good aim
peak escarp
Why is it that of all the characters Widow makes the most sense scientifically
@bronze wave does she? if you slow someone's pulse, they don't turn purple and become emotionless
granite grove
Yea
peak escarp
they become lethargic and pass out easily
cosmic crest
I think McCree is easily the most plausible.
bronze wave
No she can feel emotion just not empathy of remorse
granite grove
They just kinda go on with life or die
cosmic crest
His entire kit is just real stuff.
granite grove
Yea
peak escarp
McCree is just a sharpshooter with a cybernetic arm
bronze wave
She's literally just a psychopath
granite grove
And soldier mostly
peak escarp
cybernetic arms exist today
granite grove
Except for his visor
bronze wave
Soldier is just Captain America with a gun
cosmic crest
and very grumpy
bronze wave
Wait
granite grove
With his visor
bronze wave
Widow has wall hacks
granite grove
So basically a modern captain America
cosmic crest
Thermal visioning is a real thing.
granite grove
True
granite grove
D.vas too
bronze wave
Eh
bronze wave
I dont think those tiny boosters would lift her up
lament prawn
defense matrix is just a hologram that helps her aim better
she shoots the projectiles manually
lament prawn
in-game, yes
bronze wave
Also can we comment on the fact that D.Va is literally the biggest complainer about her own ult
lament prawn
not canonically
granite grove
Yea
bronze wave
I mean she literally screams at the devs to nerf it
granite grove
She says NERF THIS
peak escarp
gameplay isn't canon
granite grove
Honestly nerf bastion before dva
bronze wave
True
granite grove
Yea
peak escarp
she can't just blow up her mech at will
bronze wave
Doesn't she do it in her short
granite grove
Yea
bronze wave
Again gameplay isn't cannon
peak escarp
yes, but she needed her engineer to set it up and it nearly killed her
bronze wave
True
granite grove
Yes but she was over the ocean
fading coyote
aaaaaaaand, finally genji have
reproductive system?
granite grove
And who knows how long that was before the gameplay
bronze wave
He has it@fading coyote
peak escarp
they had to restart her heart
bronze wave
Micheal Chu confirmed@fading coyote
peak escarp
no
granite grove
Oh god
fading coyote
Micheal Chu confirmed@fading coyote
@bronze wave twitter or blizzcon?
peak escarp
he confirmed that Genji's lower torso is intact
bronze wave
peak escarp
he didn't say anything about reproductive organs
fading coyote
ok, TY
granite grove
Since Genji has a butt does he have a peepee
bronze wave
It was a Q and A on Twitter im sure
peak escarp
I have the link, hold on
limpid agate
@peak escarp He said it in response to a question about his reproductive organs
granite grove
Since Genji has a butt does he have a peepee
limpid agate
@granite grove You don't need to say it twice, especially since we already answered that
peak escarp
Michael Chu: If you look at the Blackwatch Genji skin, you can see that Genji has some body missing. But I would like to confirm that Genji 's bottom is still normal.```it's technically possible to destroy d.va's mech the same way it does in-game, by overloading the reactor, but she doesnt actually have a "self-destruct sequence" as a thing on her mech that she just does
peak escarp
the question was about using the bathroom, not reproducing
granite grove
Well I don’t see it on his body so I don’t believe it
limpid agate
Hold on.
bronze wave
Well you need your pee-pee to well, pee-pee
granite grove
Yea
cosmic crest
I figured she would of gotten the idea to add a self-destruct function after her short.
bronze wave
Unless Genji is secretly trans
cosmic crest
I suggest you both stop.
peak escarp
I figured she would of gotten the idea to add a self-destruct function after her short.
@cosmic crest why?
destroying her mech seems extremely wasteful and dangerous
cosmic crest
In case she needs to sacrifice it again?
bronze wave
And expensive
granite grove
I gotta go see you guys
cosmic crest
She already needed to once.
bronze wave
Bye@granite grove
peak escarp
and I doubt the Korean army would be happy about her blowing up her mech again
cosmic crest
Obviously she would intend not to blow up her mech, but as a last resort.
bronze wave
I wonder if the country sizes are the same in Overwatch
cosmic crest
Why wouldn't they be?
candid juniper
Borders of countries could’ve changed, but since they haven’t stated it, I’d assume they haven’t been changed
cosmic crest
I think changing country borders would just confuse things.
Which is why they haven't
And it seems Blizzard doesn't want to acknowledge North Korea.
bronze wave
It isn't yet confirmed or denied so we'll put a maybe on it
Also since the country Numbani is in isn't yet said, I'm guessing that some border swapping happened in Africa
peak escarp
it's probably in Nigeria
since that's where it seems to be when it's shown on maps, and Efi mentions Nigeria a lot in the novel
bronze wave
Its probably South Africa because that is currently the most advanced part of Africa
They built their own islands
Irl
cosmic crest
looks pretty definitive.
candid juniper
Yeah I’m pretty sure Numbani is in Nigeria
peak escarp
Numbani is probably an independent city-state
cosmic crest
Something about D.Va's short that bugs me slightly.
She overloads the reactor to explode her mech.
It's powered by a fusion reactor.
Fusion reactors don't explode...
frosty shell
That's a big issue with Roadhog's story since fusion reactors shouldn't produce much fallout
But the reactor could definitely generate enough power to explode in some way
peak escarp
maybe the writers don't know the difference between fusion and fission
frosty shell
Maybe
It's not an issue with the D.Va short though
As stated
My headcanon is that the Omnics used a fission-fusion combined reactor
worthy rose
I think torb is a god
clear nest
no
cerulean ice
!!shitposting @worthy rose
twilit nacelleBOT
@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
worthy rose
I am just making a joke it won't happen again
peak escarp
this isn't the place for jokes
fringe blade
We are like the Dead Poets Society, but without the dead poets
toxic saddle
valid terrace
we have a dead game instead
dapper patrol
Do we have a Robin Williams hanging around then?
aint no dead poets society without him
Which makes me wonder, in terms of Junkenstein storyline... what would the rest of the non-cast be
we have the new echo yes. 🙂
that is like tim burton's 9
that voodoo doll thing
terse oar
Which makes me wonder, in terms of Junkenstein storyline... what would the rest of the non-cast be
Do you mean like their titles (Ex: “The Gunslinger”) or what their costume/skin would be?
granite grove
Good morning
clear nest
I’ve always wondered what the Junkenstein heroes canon skins are
cosmic crest
Junkenstein isn't cannon so none of them are really.
cerulean ice
the canon skins specifically in junkerstein
well we have brig (shieldsmaiden), widow (countess (huntress)), torb (viking), zen (cultist), etc
granite grove
Are the voice lines in junkinstein canon
candid juniper
Some of them are plausible
Other ones are specifically related to the Junkenstein event
granite grove
So i assume that widowmakers line about being centuries old isn’t canon
candid juniper
Nah
clear nest
upset that Shieldmaiden is an anniversary skin instead pf a Halloween skin
I think Will-o-Wisp and Van Hellsing (Tracer and Mccree) are also canon to the Junkenstein story
iron plume
peak escarp
So i assume that widowmakers line about being centuries old isn’t canon
@granite grove The Countess is centuries old (because she's a vampire), Widowmaker is not
granite grove
Yea
peak escarp
the voice lines are canon to the Junkenstein characters, not the Overwatch characters
granite grove
That what I was saying
peak escarp
although some of them parallel the lives of the Overwatch heroes
ember cedar
When I was your age I was a lamp
peak escarp
like the Soldier and the Viking being former allies, and the Soldier being enhanced by alchemy
bronze wave
!!Shitposting@ember cedar
clear nest
only regulars can use commands lol
weary owl
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
clear nest
oh
peak escarp
not really
cosmic crest
Yeah, that was kind of silly tbh.
bronze wave
Its not silly😤
peak escarp
it was pointless
bronze wave
But was it not interesting
I gave you all a perspective you've never had.
Id say that was interesting
young knoll
The perspective was also bad
peak escarp
it was interesting for 30 seconds
clear nest
Does Mercy not like Helix?
clear nest
All Overwatch members knew about Fareeha right?
bronze wave
Shes Ana's daughter so I'd hope so
peak escarp
and the Helix Security forces, little more than mercenaries, weren’t much better.
Rockets sailed through the air, and buildings were destroyed. People fled the area
in terror.```I wonder if Mercy knows Fareeha joined Helix
bronze wave
Who's the Dad of Fareeha
young knoll
Sam
bronze wave
Who
clear nest
He’s in one of her sprays
young knoll
He is a a Canadian First Nation civil servant
bronze wave
I was really hoping it would be some sort of mystery
peak escarp
bronze wave
Is the voice that voices over Junkenstein's revenge Reinhardt?
peak escarp
yes
young knoll
Not really lore, but yes
bronze wave
I was just confirming that the story of Junks revenge takes place when OW was still legal
young knoll
It did not happen; not canon
peak escarp
it was a story Reinhardt told at a halloween party before the fall of Overwatch
bronze wave
@peak escarp thats what I'm saying
young knoll
That was not very clear
peak escarp
bronze wave
Still waiting for a Reinhardt Captain skin
peak escarp
it has to be before the fall because Jack, Ana and Gabe (he shows up at the end) are all present
young knoll
Think that might be an admiral one
peak escarp
it's one of his basegame skins
bronze wave
Really?
peak escarp
clear nest
It’s a normal Legendary
peak escarp
why is that weird
Reaper's skin is an epic, one of the "country" skins we used to get
Soldier's is a basegame legendary inspired by 70s stunt riders
peak escarp
it's an Evel Knievel reference
bronze wave
Did either of Soldier's skins come out on the first Halloween Terror
peak escarp
bronze wave
Oh lol
peak escarp
Soldier got the Immortal skin for the first Halloween Terror
which is a Thriller reference
peak escarp
and one of my favourite epic skins
bronze wave
Honestly I think Reins Coldhardt skin is the best epic
hushed jetty
I'm kinda surprised rein doesn't have a Halloween legendary yet
I expected him to get his king costume this year tbh
peak escarp
I don't think he'll ever get that as a skin
bronze wave
Funny thing is that I have all of Reins epics but not a single legendary for him
peak escarp
it doesn't fit his silhouette
bronze wave
Just make the shoulder pads more buff
clear nest
I think what he’s wearing in the Junkenstein comic would be cool
bronze wave
And how much of Rein is actually him
Like Armour wise
Because if he's not wearing heels than he would be like 7-8 feet tall
peak escarp
he's pretty huge
bronze wave
Also no one talks about the fact that Junk is 6'6
clear nest
Wait what??
bronze wave
And to y'all know how heavy a tire is regularly?! Junk carries one on his back that has an engine!
No wonder he has such a hunch
Better question, how does Junk control the tire?
Because in his animation he plugs his ears and closes his eyes
peak escarp
it probably has some kind of remote control device that isn't shown in the game
bronze wave
But who's controlling it then?
bronze wave
I'm pretty sure it is considering he has it on in his short
But also like I said, Junk has his eyes closed and his hands are in his ears so I don't think he is controlling where it goes
granite grove
Maybe it has a thermal tracking system in it or something
bronze wave
That would make sense
peak escarp
the way abilities appear in the game don't always match how they work in the lore
granite grove
True
peak escarp
in the lore, he probably has a remote control, or it doesn't have a control and can only go in a straight line
granite grove
But I mean for a guy who’s basically insane he’s pretty smart
cosmic crest
He always has it so it must be cannon.
peak escarp
probably not
granite grove
He could it would probably kill him tho
lament prawn
he does it in a highlight but that doesnt count
weary owl
It wouldnt kill him
I think somewhere in junks lore he lost his arm and leg due to using explosives
cosmic crest
I could see him doing it in the lore.
weary owl
Could likeley be a cause of using the mines to launch himself
bronze wave
Also it was confirmed in a Heros of the Storm voice line that Junk didn't lose both his limbs in the same event
cosmic crest
But he hasn't yet.
peak escarp
Heroes of the Storm voice lines shouldn't be taken as canon
bronze wave
I think it counts
Not all of them for sure but this one makes sense
Also did y'all know that Roadhog is 600lbs
It said so in the news report short
peak escarp
believable
weary owl
Yes and roadhog is not really a human
bronze wave
What do you think Roadhogs face looks like
Cuz in his picture through the goggles you can see his tiny eyes
bronze wave
I think that was of his mask
peak escarp
that sketch is based on a description of him
weary owl
Yeah
peak escarp
not what he actually looks like
weary owl
Hence why i said police sketch
bronze wave
I mean his in game selection screen pic
lament prawn
Yes and roadhog is not really a human
yeah but this isnt true
weary owl
I say mutated because hes beleived to be a pig
peak escarp
because of his mask
bronze wave
I just looked up "Roadhogs Face" and someone made some fan art of it I think
weary owl
Yes but if someone has seen his actuall face and told the police to make that sketch one could assume his face is of a real pig
peak escarp
there's a lot of fanart of what people think Roadhog looks like
hushed jetty
Someone probably said "he looks kinda like a pig" and the artist went from there
weary owl
The sketch is just of a person with a pig face but how else would you describe somebody with the face if a pig to the police
hushed jetty
That's not his actual face
weary owl
Possibly
bronze wave
I think he'd be more white but that's pretty close
weary owl
Then again nobody knows what his real face looks like
bronze wave
From lots of the fan art I've seen, pretty much everyone thinks hed be more scarred
Also his real name is Mako
Rutledge
peak escarp
the design on his teacup (and on his bedspread in his home on Junkertown) is a Maori design as well
bronze wave
Ok then
peak escarp
he's also got some NZ slang in his voice lines
bronze wave
I wonder what Reaper looks like now
Also isn't it weird that we know everything about Soldier except for his age
bronze wave
How old is Widow
peak escarp
33
peak escarp
yes
peak escarp
Orisa is 1 month old
bronze wave
Oh right
peak escarp
I'm guessing that age is as of OW2, since she wasn't built until after Recall
bronze wave
Orisa is technically 1 month old, but the parts she was built with were probably much older
bronze wave
Orisa is the Program
Thats why I said Orisa is 1 month old but her parts aren't
I'm kinda hoping that in OW2 Efi meets Torb
I think they would get along
peak escarp
Torb can be prickly, but he's a good dad and is probably good with kids
bronze wave
I'd like to think he'd be good with Efi
I think Bastion and Orisa would get along too considering they are both pretty new to the world
cosmic crest
Soldier is 57 isn't he?
bronze wave
I dont think so
peak escarp
at SDCC 2016 Michael Chu listed his age as "35" and Reyes as "36" in Ana's photo (which is from 20 years ago)
bronze wave
It just says mid to late 50s on the wiki
peak escarp
but we now know that Reyes would have been 38 twenty years ago, not 36
I think the intent was to say that Jack is a year younger than Reyes, even if he got the ages wrong
bronze wave
So 57 was correct?
bronze wave
OW2 is going to be a war with a lot of boomers
Ana, Reaper, Rein, Soldier
Sojourn
I think that's how you spell it
cosmic crest
They would be milenials in today's age.
bronze wave
Imagine if Sojourn+Soldier became the OW2 meta. Call outs would be so frustrating
peak escarp
they would not be millenials
millenials were born in the 80s-90s
they'd be Gen Alpha
bronze wave
Is that the Generation after Z
peak escarp
yes
hushed jetty
I thought sigma was late gen z?
peak escarp
born 2010 onward
hushed jetty
Maybe I just have the generation limits wrong
bronze wave
Wait What
peak escarp
bronze wave
2010 onward is gen Alpha
hushed jetty
Ah okay
peak escarp
I'm a millenial
bronze wave
So Sigma would've been gen Z?
hushed jetty
No, alpha
peak escarp
depends when Overwatch is set
hushed jetty
Either alpha or REALLY late gen z
bronze wave
If not than Ana and Rein would definitely be gen Z
peak escarp
it's "around 60 years" from 2014-2016
so if he was born around 2015, he'd be gen alpha
bronze wave
Imagine someones kid growing up to be Sigma
hushed jetty
Sigma is 62, right?
bronze wave
Roadhog is in his late 40s
peak escarp
yes Sigma is 62
bronze wave
Idk how old Junk is
hushed jetty
I generally assume overwatch is in 2076 so he was born around 2014 then
bronze wave
Why 2076
hushed jetty
I honestly don't remember why. That's just the year I default to
peak escarp
that's the year most people use
bronze wave
Probably because of Soldier
hushed jetty
Yeah
peak escarp
based on 60 years from 2016
but they've been saying "60 years" since the game was announced in 2014, so it's probably not an exact number
bronze wave
How many years into the omnic crises was OW made?
peak escarp
my guess is 2079
peak escarp
yes
we don't know how long into the crisis that Overwatch was formed
or how long the crisis lasted (although my estimate is 5 years)
bronze wave
Well Winston said the the omnics declared war 30 years before recall
And Winston is 29 so
peak escarp
what does Winston's age have to do with it
terse oar
^
peak escarp
he wasn't alive when the crisis started
bronze wave
I'm just saying that he had to have been fully mature during the crises
peak escarp
he didn't fight in the crisis
terse oar
Winston was on the moon during most if not all of the crisis
bronze wave
Ik but I'm still saying that he had to be mature when it ended so we can get a good estimate on how long it lasted based off that
peak escarp
why does he have to be mature when the crisis ended?
terse oar
I don’t see your reasoning
bronze wave
Because he was mature when he left HLC right?
peak escarp
yes
he left HLC around 10-13 years ago
we know that because Hammond came with him, and Hammond is only 14 years old
and he had to be on earth no less than 10 years ago because Mei recognized him (she's been in cryostasis for 9 years)
bronze wave
So he was around 16-19 when he left
peak escarp
yes
bronze wave
I thought he left right after the crises ended
peak escarp
gorillas are mature around 12 years old, but Winston may have aged differently due to his genetics
bronze wave
Which proves my point about Hammond being really old for a hamster but we don't need to go into that
peak escarp
Winston didn't leave right after the crisis ended
bronze wave
Its not really an argument
Well we at least know that OW had been active for a while before Winston came
terse oar
Yes
bronze wave
So Probably at least 5 years
But Tracer didn't come to OW before Winston because he's the one that made her Chronal Accelerator
peak escarp
in Soldier's origin story, he says "I led Overwatch for 20 years."
bronze wave
Tracer is how old?
terse oar
29 or 30
peak escarp
she's 26
terse oar
Oh
peak escarp
Overwatch was disbanded 5 years ago, and Jack was made leader of Overwatch after the crisis ended
bronze wave
Ana lead before Soldier right
terse oar
I’m thinking of sombra lol
bronze wave
Ana was the original strike team leader though
bronze wave
I swear it was Ana
terse oar
Reyes
peak escarp
Leadership of Overwatch fell to Reyes, but Morrison would have a greater impact on the group in the long term.
terse oar
Ana was second in command
bronze wave
Yep just looked that up
bronze wave
So if it was around 25 years that the crises ended then Winston came 5 years later he would be how old?
10?
peak escarp
he didn't come 5 years later
bronze wave
I was estimating the time that OW had been active after the Crises
If Winston came when Reyes was still in charge then that's different
Another thing that a lot of people don't know is that Soldier is gay
terse oar
Yeah
clear nest
Sombra is 30 years old?
bronze wave
Thats helps
peak escarp
Doomfist is also defeated and arrested the same year as Storm Rising
and breaks out the year after Recall
peak escarp
and Genji joined around the same time Winston did
vital mirage
Petition for ashe to have a voice line where she yells yee haw like jessie from toy story?
hard sinew
Interesting
peak escarp
a joyful yeehaw would be a nice nanoboost line
dense violet
What exactly went down between jack and gabriel if I remember right reaper has a line when killing soldier saying this is how it should have been and then gets angry at mercy presumably related to this issue when she asked what happened to him
granite grove
What is up my fellow overwatch theorists I have returned
peak escarp
@dense violet we don't know exactly what happened between them
but we know Mercy wasn't involved in creating Reaper
dense violet
I was just curious because I got nostalgic watching the interactions videos that are floating around and it seemed especially strange the way he treated mercy thanks for the reply
elder cloak
@dense violet
essentially
mercy revived reaper
but something went wrong
so then Gabriel got mad
cause his cells are bad
!!
peak escarp
wrong
dense violet
@dense violet we don't know exactly what happened between them but we know Mercy wasn't involved in creating reaper
dense violet
reaper is his form gabriel is his person
elder cloak
Gabriel would be dead without mercy
hushed jetty
mercy didn't "revive" reaper
peak escarp
Gabriel needed help with a genetic issue, so he hired Moira to fix it
elder cloak
he did tho
hushed jetty
moira did some genetic stuff to him
peak escarp
Moira took advantage of this and tinkered with his genetics, giving him wraith powers
hushed jetty
mercy didn't have much to do with it
dense violet
Moira does have an interaction saying she's responsible for saving his life or something so I'm kinda inclined to believe them
peak escarp
it's not really clear what happened afterward, but my guess is Reyes was badly injured in the Swiss HQ explosion, which caused his supersoldier healing to go into overdrive and he got stuck in an endless loop of decay and regeneration
peak escarp
Mercy never revived him, she was not involved at all
dense violet
Because he's now talon
hushed jetty
mercy didn't do anything to him
peak escarp
what do you mean, regretful?
dense violet
He's out to kill the old members of overwatch so whatever she did to help him during overwatch current form aside was indirectly helping him in that quest now
elder cloak
ok
so
hear me out
Moira did stuff to reapers cell
but at the time he was still Gabriel
But when he was exploded he was dead for a while before mercy actually revived him
peak escarp
Mercy did not revive him
hushed jetty
...no
hushed jetty
mercy didn't revive him
elder cloak
I have proof
hushed jetty
that didn't happen
elder cloak
I have proof
peak escarp
Mercy cannot revive the dead
elder cloak
lulw
peak escarp
what proof?
dense violet
it's a gameplay mechanic
dense violet
she uses nanobots to heal that isn't raising the dead
hushed jetty
she doesn't have that. you know in Zero Hour when she healed Mei? that was her rez
hushed jetty
in the game is different from canon
peak escarp
she heals people
hushed jetty
not all gameplay mechanics are canon
hushed jetty
what is the proof
elder cloak
g o o g l e
elder cloak
gl hf
hushed jetty
google what???
peak escarp
this is what "resurrect" looks like
hushed jetty
if you say you have proof,,, and then don't show us the proof,,,
dense violet
tbh if it wasn't going to be extra stuff to load I'd love to have seen that in the game rather than he current form of rez
peak escarp
it's more like when you go down during PvE, and one of your teammates has to revive you
but if the timer runs out you're dead dead and it's game over
as for Reyes gaining Reaper's powers
we are literally shown Moira giving him wraith powers
there is nothing in the lore that even remotely indicates that Mercy was involved
proud pike
she uses nanobots to heal that isn't raising the dead
@dense violet no, she doesn't
Nanobots is myth
peak escarp
she uses nanobiotics, not nanobots
dense violet
she says she isn't thrilled about the way ana has weaponized it that's my best guess
proud pike
Yep
dense violet
I misheard ig
dense violet
yeah I knew what she was talking about but I just never had a reason to question whether I'd heard nanobots or nanobiotics after hours of just listening to the interactions
peak escarp
there's some lines in Valkyrie about it
“Is it like... little machines?” She made a little motion like there was a cloud
of flies.
“Not quite,” I said, feeling the momentary pang of disappointment that a
technology that could have revolutionized healing around the world was basically
unknown to most. But there were more important things. “I’ll explain it to you. But
first we need to go to safety.”```I'm still trying to familiarize myself with the details of everything again after taking a longer break from the game
peak escarp
the regulars here are pretty well informed, if you need any clarification, just ask
clear nest
wait, so whats the difference between her “resurrect” and beam in canon? Does her beam just nullify the pain?
elder cloak
yes
dense violet
Appreciate the help man
elder cloak
people don’t understand
peak escarp
the beam is a small flow of healing, resurrect is more like a large burst
elder cloak
that’s not true
clear nest
Oh
proud pike
that’s not true
@elder cloak ?
hard sinew
elder cloak
to heal someone?
proud pike
elder cloak
peak escarp
the word "resurrect" means to bring back from the dead, but that's not what she does
peak escarp
her ability just gives a burst of healing to get an incapacitated ally back on their feet
elder cloak
elder cloak
read her in game ability
dense violet
again mechanic versus canon
peak escarp
gameplay isn't canon
peak escarp
if the game strictly adhered to canon, it would be pretty boring actually
proud pike
True
Although I would like to look at a Tracer that would have a single Chrono-Accelerator scale. That is, she would spend it on all her abilities + reloading blasters and restore, as in the first cinematics
dense violet
it would be kinda cool in concept but in practice it sounds like a lot for new people to grasp
peak escarp
yeah
proud pike
True, but interesting
peak escarp
anyway, I'm considered a bit of an expert around here (because I keep a lot of lists and timelines), so if you have questions I can probably answer them
dense violet
every question that gets answered leaves a dozen more asked I'll probably be here a lot
proud pike
every question that gets answered leaves a dozen more asked I'll probably be here a lot
@dense violet XD
peak escarp
well we wouldn't need a channel if there was nothing to discuss
dense violet
absolutely
proud pike
Remember, no questions about the Tracer. They raise even more questions 99% of the time
clear nest
when and why did Sombra join Talon?
dense violet
is there a confirmed leader of talon I remember in storm rising they mention things have been shaken up due to doomfist I think but nothing to who is the head of everything
peak escarp
we don't know when, but she probably joined because she wanted to use Talon's resources and connections for her own goals
Talon has a council of leaders
Doomfist, Reaper, Moira are on that council
along with Maximilien and Sanjay Korpal (Symmetra's boss)
they seem to be following Doomfist's lead for now
proud pike
By the way. Now there will be a question at the Shitposting level from me. But if you think about it, it's quite interesting
peak escarp
dense violet
That makes sombra's bout at symmetra's mindset a bit clearer
peak escarp
she has a computer implanted into her spine
proud pike
The reactor? Charging from USB?
dense violet
that sounds really cool but really weird at the same time
peak escarp
we don't know how cybernetics are powered in the OW universe
peak escarp
maybe they have a battery that needs charging
maybe they use kinetic energy to self-charge
proud pike
Yes, but for such capacities and for such a time, you need more than just a battery
dense violet
Batteries get better and better as years go they have such advanced technology as to have massive svyatagor (I spelled it wrong Ik) at volskaya
It's not a massive leap to assume batteries or some other storage system came to be better
proud pike
Oh, I hope OW2 answers old questions and doesn't leave us new ones.
dense violet
if they don't leave questions we'll get bored
proud pike
Too many unexplained things
peak escarp
hard to say if it will or not
but for now it looks like they're focusing on moving the story forward
so any questions about the omnic crisis or the Swiss HQ explosion will have to remain unanswered
dense violet
is there a canon explanation to how tracer's recall and stuff would work and if so I'm kinda curious why she wouldn't have reversed a bit and saved I believe it was mondatta back at the museum
she mentions to someone that sometimes the past doesn't want to change could she have tried
hushed jetty
mondatta wasn't at the museum
proud pike
is there a canon explanation to how tracer's recall and stuff would work and if so I'm kinda curious why she wouldn't have reversed a bit and saved I believe it was mondatta back at the museum
@dense violet She cant change past
peak escarp
yeah
dense violet
How does that work
dense violet
seems legit
peak escarp
it's like fast forwarding or rewinding a show on one channel
all the other channels continue forward independantly
proud pike
How does that work
@dense violet I explained this in this chat just above
dense violet
I know that she can't change the past now but that isn't what I'm getting at anymore
proud pike
it's like fast forwarding or rewinding a show on one channel
@peak escarp I was more confused by the fact that she was getting old anyway.
dense violet
I'm trying to wrap my head around her being able to move backward through time
dense violet
I misspeak
peak escarp
the amount she moves backwards and forwards isn't big enough to affect her aging
dense violet
bye
proud pike
peak escarp
I'm trying to wrap my head around her being able to move backward through time
@dense violet she doesn't really move backwards in time
hard sinew
Cya
peak escarp
she rewinds her own actions
dense violet
I know I didn't mean that but words are hard rn
peak escarp
but time around her still moves forward
dense violet
Yeah I'm bad at phrasing things
peak escarp
presumably she can rewind injuries
dense violet
obviously there's going to be a point where this becomes pointless detail but I'm trying to figure out how it distinguishes her from something she's touching
peak escarp
it's a pretty common trope in fiction for invisibility and teleportation type powers to affect the things the user is wearing or holding
because otherwise it would get weird
dense violet
yeah no I get clothes and stuff but I'm thinking other large objects say a small animal or person
peak escarp
nobodymost people don't want naked teleporting people
clear nest
If Tracer wanted to could she just recall back constantly? Or is there some kind of limit
young knoll
teleportation of clothes sort of makes sense
like, what if you teleported without clothes, but also skin?
dense violet
If it only rewinds actions without time it is kinda pointless
peak escarp
there seems to be a limit
young knoll
that would be cool actually
dense violet
was reaper another of the super soldiers of the overwatch universe
dense violet
I couldn't remember thanks
peak escarp
dense violet
do we know of any other super soldiers or just jack and gabriel
peak escarp
nope, they're the only ones
we don't even know how many there were
though if they're numbered in order there were at least 76
dense violet
I would quite like a short story or something about that it sounds kinda cool
peak escarp
well, they seem to be covering less plot-heavy topics for the novels
maybe we'll get a novel about Jack and Gabe's army days
dense violet
do we know if the I presume drugs that enhanced the soldiers ever wear off or is that a part of his wish to avoid retirement
dense violet
Right
peak escarp
so it doesn't wear off
dense violet
This is stretching but if it's in his genetics would it then be passed onto his offspring or not
were he to have any
peak escarp
possibly
Reyes does have a family (we don't know much about them, aside from that they exist)
Jack never had a family, he was a "married to his job" kind of guy
dense violet
right I remember something about that I was just trying to get to the passing on of genetics rather than the whether he had kids it would be rather out of his character to have settled down
clear nest
Jack wouldn’t have kids anyways
dense violet
What is Volskaya supposed to be anyways I never really stop long enough to do any looking around other than to know it's an industrial area
young knoll
syvogotors, right?
dense violet
the giant meks I can't spell their names
clear nest
about Volskaya, why are there homes located right next to it
dense violet
Does sombra ever get katya I believe her name is to do anything obviously her and zarya (the president and zarya) were deemed traitors to their own countries by sombra but in their infiltration I think short sombra gets into her office and clearly blackmails her with some sort of photos
dense violet
ah cool
What was mcree's role within blackwatch was he just a hired gun or was he an actual member before they went into the mission featuring genji reaper moira and himself
hushed jetty
I believe he was an actual member of Blackwatch
peak escarp
it seems like he was Reyes' right hand man
dense violet
They seemed rather comfortable with eachother if at odds quite often
peak escarp
Reyes sent him on special missions, like checking out London and searching for Ana after she went MIA
dense violet
I just wanted to make sure he wasn't an outside force like the scrappers