Im not an edgelord either
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
peak escarp
hard to believe with a name like that
worthy rose
Im pessimistic and dramatic like him
Edgelords are people with black eyeliners who wear all black
I don't do that
young knoll
you just literally have that as a pfp and name, giving off the impression
but let us not split hairs here
limpid agate
Im pessimistic and dramatic like him
This is not Reaper's character traits.
He is a theatrical character whose body has decomposed and is literally in constant physical pain.
You can see part of his arm in his default skin. Its pale white like a corpse.
worthy rose
So is like Reaper's organs constantly decaying?
worthy rose
That sounds painful af Reaper must have great pain tolerance
limpid agate
Which is why he has the powers he has to turn himself into a gaseous state.
tender dove
gas guy
cosmic crest
Well no, he has those powers because of his genetic alterations, as does Moira. Something has happened to cause his biology to go nuts and leave him in the state he is in now.
limpid agate
His body is degenerating and regenerating
Which is why he has the powers he has to turn himself into a gaseous state.
Im not explaining the origin of the powers
Im explaining the mechanic through which he is able to turn into a gas.
cosmic crest
As far as I'm aware, his cells are constantly degenerating and regenerating, even when he isn't using wraith form.
limpid agate
Ok. And?
cosmic crest
You said that was the reason why he has his abilities, it isn't.
limpid agate
Tracer is constantly wielding the chronal accelerator that gives her control of her own timestream. Even when she isn't blinking and recalling.
Its the mechanism that allows her to exist. It is also the mechanism that gives her her trademark powers.
peak escarp
Reaper is able to turn into a gas because he's decaying and regenerating because of his genetic alterations (both from Moira and the SEP)
they're both the reason he's able to do it
limpid agate
Again, one is the origin and the other is the mechanism. I am just talking about the mechanism.
Its like asking why can Barry Allen go fast.
Is it because of speedforce (the mechanism) or because of an electrified chemical spill (the origin)
proud pike
Hiya
New day, new questions
perhaps this was discussed above, but I have a question again. Now after the game on the Tracer. What are those things on her hands? Holster? How then does she get her guns out of them? (I may have missed something in the story, but I would be grateful if you explain). Just like those endless Reaper shotguns, no kidding, where the hell does he get them from? And the last question to the experts. How does the caduceus blaster reload work? What happens to it and why does Mercy make a gesture with her hand similar to the one that Symmetra makes when reloading?
limpid agate
What are those things on her hands? Holster?
Yes
proud pike
Thx x1
limpid agate
How then does she get her guns out of them?
They open up. Or at least they did in her OW1 uniform
proud pike
Thx x2
limpid agate
In OW2, they seem to just blink into thin air and serve no purpose
Reaper's shotguns are unexplained. It looks like he pulls them from behind his back, and he has a joke spray showing him with a dozen under his jacket
We have never seen the caduceus blaster. It might not exist. If Mercy makes a hand gesture, its coincidental for its relation to Symmetra
worthy rose
Doesn't Reaper create new ones so he has unlimited supply?
limpid agate
Sym's hand gestures are because she incorporates Indian dance into her architechture.
Doesn't Reaper create new ones so he has unlimited supply?
That is one theory. Its based on the fact that we dont see where they come from
We dont know.
cosmic crest
That theory doesn't sound based. I can't imagine how Reaper would just materialise shotguns from nothing. It's more likely he has several spares under his coat.
worthy rose
Oh...that kinda sucks
cosmic crest
In the game, all heroes can reload infinitely.
worthy rose
So if Reaper runs out does he reload?
proud pike
By the way, Tracer reload is weird too
I dont understand it
She just... extracts energy from the air?
I dunno
cosmic crest
I always assumed Tracer is either venting the heat from her guns or is recharging them.
I heard someone suggest she is recalling them to full capacity, but she has never been shown to manipulate the time of objects like that.
proud pike
I heard someone suggest she is recalling them to full capacity, but she has never been shown to manipulate the time of objects like that.
@cosmic crest
Strange, but pretty funny theory
Anyway, thx everyone
limpid agate
I heard someone suggest she is recalling them to full capacity, but she has never been shown to manipulate the time of objects like that.
@cosmic crest Source: Visual Source Book
It is a popular theory because her guns are said to be directly linked to her chronal accelerator
lament prawn
the swirl thing when she reloads is a very similar effect to her recall swirl, but that could easily just be a stylistic choice
proud pike
@lament prawn ||(Offtop) how did you send the picture?||
lament prawn
i have the lore regular role
which you get by just being active for long enough
but for now you can send links to images
lament prawn
(what i posted was a link anyway, discord recently started embedding them nicely without showing the link)
proud pike
I dunno
prime pond
Well he needs ammo for his hand gun, minigun and tank ammo.
prime pond
But Bastion can turn themselves into a mini tank
So it had to take inspiration from something else that is tank like
terse oar
It is a popular theory because her guns are said to be directly linked to her chronal accelerator
Her guns are shown to be connected in the Launch Cinematic. She runs out of Blinks, and her guns stop so she has to take cover
prime pond
Yeh.
terse oar
My guess is her reload uses a Blink “charge” or extracts energy somehow from the Chronal Accelerator
prime pond
Also does Reaper have an infinite amount of shotguns?
terse oar
I don’t think so
The only thing about those guns I remember is that they’re “too cumbersome to reload”
Don’t remember where that quote was from...
proud pike
Her guns are shown to be connected in the Launch Cinematic. She runs out of Blinks, and her guns stop so she has to take cover
@terse oar true
I just reviewed it
prime pond
Or maybe ghost guns
prime pond
Like you know how Reaper can teleport himself around the map? Maybe something related to his shotguns?
lament prawn
I dont think tank exist in lore
bastion units do have tank config in lore
we see them in honor and glory
terse oar
Like you know how Reaper can teleport himself around the map? Maybe something related to his shotguns?
@prime pond Reapers “one point to another” teleport is just him turning into a gaseous state
terse oar
Yes
proud pike
Has anyone watched "Tenet"?, technically Tracer's pistols reload works the same way?
terse oar
I have not watched that
proud pike
they just return the shots back, leaving injuries
I mean she fires, and during reloading returns the shot back
perhaps this is just a guess
proud pike
but who prevents the energy from returning, as well as the shots?
limpid agate
What
proud pike
What¿
steel wind
when halloween event
peak escarp
probably Tuesday
proud pike
when halloween event
@steel wind nice lore, awesome question
steel wind
shut @proud pike
fading coyote
the morphology of rein can be real? what it the size of rein with out armmor?
proud pike
shut @proud pike
@steel wind lol, try
proud pike
the morphology of rein can be real? what it the size of rein with out armmor?
@fading coyote according to his graffiti he looks like 1,5 Zarya
+-
proud pike
XD
fading coyote
@fading coyote according to his graffiti he looks like 1,5 Zarya
@proud pike 1.5 meters wot?
fading coyote
yeah, i think the same size of zarya or 10cm much bigger
proud pike
I looked at the graffiti where they were doing arm wrestling
by build, he is exactly wider, about 1.3-1.4
fading coyote
hmmmm i see the spray but with the brigg spray, brigg its more bigger than zarya?
proud pike
dude, you don't understand. I was referring to the spray in which Zarya and Reinhard are drawn on the same scale
it makes sense that Brigitte is 1:1 larger than Reinhard at 1:50
abstract pivot
proud pike
Okay
But
I was wondering, then why is the government so stupid? why do agents of a now-illegal organization still have weapons licenses?
peak escarp
why would they be in jail?
the higher ups, sure - but they're all believed to be dead or retired
proud pike
''ow''recognized as an illegal organization, isn't it?
limpid agate
Yes. And?
lament prawn
you cant make something illegal and then punish someone for doing it back when it was legal
swift mason
Its more to do with the fact that any Overwatch activity is deemed illegal, not necesarily the agents themselves are illegal
peak escarp
^
both of those
Tracer wouldn't be punished for what she did as part of Overwatch, but if she tried to act in the name of Overwatch after the fall, she could be prosecuted
swift mason
But instead in london calling, she's just helping out for the sake of it
not overwatch related
proud pike
Tracer wouldn't be punished for what she did as part of Overwatch, but if she tried to act in the name of Overwatch after the fall, she could be prosecuted
@peak escarp okay
peak escarp
Winston sending out the recall in Recall and announcing the return of Overwatch in Zero Hour are illegal, and punishable under the Petras Act
(which I hope the writers didn't forget about)
swift mason
They shouldn't forget
lament prawn
how do they forget about that lol
swift mason
It's quite a major plot point
lament prawn
rein mentions the petras act in an OW2 interaction as well
the cop in zero hour was just vibing
peak escarp
they could just handwave it and say "yeah, it's illegal, but you're saving us from Null Sector so we good."
swift mason
I predict at the end of the main story mission (I say main because more could come) that The petras act will be revoked
proud pike
they could just handwave it and say "yeah, it's illegal, but you're saving us from Null Sector so we good."
@peak escarp yes, but no
It's like killing the killer
cerulean ice
what
lament prawn
I predict at the end of the main story mission (I say main because more could come) that The petras act will be revoked
i think itll go like
the government: no
the people: take that back
the government: fine
overwatch, legally: :)
peak escarp
instead of actually enforcing the Petras Act and having some "good guys" (aka Helix Security) fight Overwatch
peak escarp
Helix is the perfect group to have as an enemy faction in OW2
they've got the numbers, they're a paramilitary force
lament prawn
tasking helix with stopping overwatch is a good excuse to get pharah involved and have some interesting conflicting emotions with her, ill be surprised if they dont take that route
peak escarp
they have a reason to fight both Overwatch and Talon (so people get those Talon missions everyone wants)
and they could have a wide variety of unit types, including flying units like Pharah
lament prawn
lets be honest, we all want a talon mission for sombra banter and everyone else being annoyed with her
proud pike
Oh
lament prawn
?
swift mason
tldr; Overwatch 2 will be the greatest lore rush to exist in overwatch history and it will be amazing
lament prawn
i remember back when OW2 was announced, it felt so surreal to finally be officially hearing about this game thats been rumored for so long and getting all the lore and plot progression we wanted, and this drought is now making mere news seem surreal
proud pike
I don't think OW will be allowed. Maximum - for a certain period of time, no more
swift mason
I wonder if the devs will address the fact that it will be a year with no new announcements of OW2 when November comes
proud pike
i remember back when OW2 was announced, it felt so surreal to finally be officially hearing about this game thats been rumored for so long and getting all the lore and plot progression we wanted, and this drought is now making mere news seem surreal
@lament prawn and then.... 8 silent month
S*
lament prawn
yeah i wanted to ask if you guys think they'd acknowledge their silence but i knew i'd get hit with a "why does it matter whether or not they do"
terse oar
They probably will say something about it
lament prawn
like i wonder if they'll be making jokes about how silent they were, during panels and stuff
terse oar
Jeff would
swift mason
Maybe developer update (probably not)
peak escarp
they said during Blizzcon that they'd be going dark
terse oar
Dark how
peak escarp
this isn't unexpected
terse oar
Like news wise
peak escarp
yeah
terse oar
For a second I thought it was story wise
proud pike
like i wonder if they'll be making jokes about how silent they were, during panels and stuff
@lament prawn i dont think, that it will be great idea
lament prawn
"we're probably gonna go dark for a bit" did not prepare me for this
peak escarp
even if Covid weren't a thing, we probably still wouldn't get any news til blizzcon
lament prawn
but yeah, they did warn us
terse oar
I wonder how much they’ll reveal
I know it may not be good, but I hope they don’t reveal all the new heroes
lament prawn
if they plan to release OW2 in mid-2021, probably A Lot
swift mason
But can we all agree that by the time OW2 comes out, we will be very busy analysing every bit of lore there is and it will be great?
proud pike
Okay, back to lore
terse oar
Yes
lament prawn
have they ever kept heroes secret until launch day
limpid agate
No
terse oar
No, I just think it’d be funny
limpid agate
They announced the last 3 launch heroes at Blizzcon 2015
lament prawn
i want they day 1 rush of finding everything out, but hoping for secret heroes is unrealistic
lament prawn
bye
terse oar
Jeff has said how when they released Dva, Genji, and I think Zarya at the same time, the game was really chaotic and fun
Bye 
peak escarp
most of the post-launch heroes were either hinted at or leaked ahead of time
except Baptiste?
I don't remember if there was a leak for him
terse oar
Baptiste had some hints
It was about Talon troops disappearing when they went looking for him or something
Because he’d tie them up...
swift mason
Can I just say that Sombra's reveal at blizzcon was by far the best way to reveal a character?
terse oar
Yeah I think Baptiste was the only one who had strictly teasers
swift mason
Like she literally hacked the stage
terse oar
And yes, Sombra’s reveal was great
swift mason
so cool
terse oar
Especially after the mess of an ARG
lament prawn
sombra was a unique opportunity for the classic glitch/hack reveal, wouldnt work for anyone else
peak escarp
Ana was seen in Soldier's origin and there were tons of rumors
Sombra was mentioned in the lore and again, tons of rumors (although people had her and Ana mixed up)
Orisa had the Anchora leak
Doomfist was a looming threat ever since the cinematic trailer
terse oar
Hammond’s name was on Horizon
peak escarp
Moira was a cameo/easter egg in Masquerade
Brigitte had been seen several times before
Wrecking Ball was a loose end from Horizon
Ashe was leaked a few days before Blizzcon (cowgirl biker with a shotgun)
terse oar
Ashe also had the changes to Route 66 if you’re counting map changes as hints
peak escarp
Baptiste . . . had nothing
Sigma was leaked in a facebook group a few days early
Echo was known since Reunion
terse oar
Sigma was leaked on the Brazil OW page or something
proud pike
Leaks are bad (imho)
peak escarp
yeah
terse oar
It was promoting the World Cup I think, and Sigma was seen in the career profile picture
peak escarp
they do ruin the surprise
terse oar
I like the teasers
proud pike
what's the point of getting a new character if you already know everything about them?
they do ruin the surprise
@peak escarp yep
terse oar
I really liked the Orisa teasers, since everyone thought it was doomfist
peak escarp
or that absolutely hilarious "leak" about OW2 that said McCree is a clone of Soldier??
proud pike
Now i really need gtg
terse oar
Lol
proud pike
Bye x2
terse oar
Bye again
proud pike
peak escarp
I'm hoping it will be before that
terse oar
Hopefully
peak escarp
but I don't think the novels will have any connection or tie-ins to the game
Hero of Numbani didn't
terse oar
I still think releasing OW2 on May 24 would be the biggest “anniversary” celebration
True
swift mason
Although at the end of HoN, || Orisa mentions 'Sojourning', which implies that Sojourn came to pick them up for something||
peak escarp
that's more of a setup for OW2
swift mason
But technically, it still ties in with OW2 since it's a setup
peak escarp
I mean like how the short stories had challenges
low brook
wait so wrecking ball is the mech and hammond is the hamster, right?
low brook
ok, just wanted to make sure
wait so why is the character called wrecking ball when you play as hammond
unless your playing as hammond playing as wrecking ball
cerulean ice
because youre hammond playing wrecking ball
grand wedge
Wrecking ball is his mech. And his name on the Scrapyard
gilded stag
Nobody calls him wrecking ball tho
grand wedge
he only knows winston from the moon
gilded stag
Could it possible that he atlest knows of junkrat and roadhog
grand wedge
They know of him as Wrecking ball, the mech champion
You can see them in the crowd when he won in his origin story
gilded stag
Oh ok
terse oar
The heroes name is Wrecking Ball since that’s the name he gave himself
He didn’t want to go by what the scientists gave him
valid terrace
Like how Mercy is the hero name, but most interactions call her Angela
lament prawn
i think only the people that know her well enough call her angela
it just so happens most interactions she has are with people she knows
terse oar
Mercy is more of alias than a self given name
Wrecking Ball is the direct name Hammond gave himself
lament prawn
true
winston calls him hammond in the interaction because he doesnt know "wrecking ball"
he doesnt have many interactions
terse oar
Yes
lament prawn
there's sombra but she prefers "giant rat" apparently lol
terse oar
Not many characters say his name
I mean... I’d be surprised if I’d been hired to work with a hamster in a battle mech
peak escarp
she also hates being called Mercy
lament prawn
she also currently has her own thing outside overwatch, where she goes more by "dr. ziegler"
i say "currently" but i mean prior to zero hour/valkyrie
low brook
doesn't hammond also know dva? i swear one of their interactions is them talking about the scrapyard
terse oar
No
hushed jetty
I don't think they've canonically met
terse oar
Canonically they haven’t met
hushed jetty
The interactions are all hypothetical iirc
low brook
the overwatch devs said that the interactions aren't cannon too
low brook
like the one where sombra hints at her trans locator being a modified version of tracers chrono accelerator?
low brook
there is i swear
hard sinew
My friend just asked me who I think could take over the world what do y'all think?
candid juniper
Realistically I don’t think any one person in the Overwatch universe would have the power to take over the world
hard sinew
That's what I said
He said ana
Said she could make a super nano that would make her unstoppable
He also said sigma and zarya
hard sinew
Most likely sombra ig
hard sinew
Pretty sure I remember some1 saying echo can't copy abilities only personality's
worthy rose
I mean in the game she can and most characters abilities from the game translate to lore
So I think Echo's ability to copy is canon
valid terrace
Realistically Sombra and Doomfist are the only ones capable of controlling the world
Mostly through their webs of connections and threats
hard sinew
Yeah I said doom and sombra and he like Ana and zarya
worthy rose
Ana is just some old Grandma who got beaten by a sniper and Zarya's only good at being strong
They have no chance
grand wedge
Pretty sure I remember some1 saying echo can't copy abilities only personality's
@hard sinew
Liao was forced to limit Echo’s capabilities. What she created was a multirole, adaptive robot that could be programmed to learn different functions: anything from medical support to construction: but had serious limits to its independent decision making. [...] However, the truth was that Liao had programmed Echo with a powerful, general artificial intelligence that learned by observation. After thousands of hours in the scientist’s presence, much of Liao’s behaviors (including her speech), were adopted by the Echo robot.
cosmic crest
It would be very silly if Echo's duplicate ability wasn't cannon considering it's one of the most interesting things about her.
grand wedge
She can copy the skills of other to adapt herself to the need of the moment - she is learning by watching other doing tasks
And her gameplay reflect that
weary owl
So liao killed people and said alamak ten times after
gusty sluice
lol, thats grim
terse oar
Echo can copy peoples mannerisms and skills
She does not physically become a Swedish engineer
But she could build a turret like him
weary owl
Dr liao did
Dr liao then spoke as a computer ai beating you in a game of chess
No cap
limpid agate
!!shitposting @weary owl
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gusty sluice
Can echo copy a random person as well?
limpid agate
Echo can replicate skills.
She learns how to do things by watching it
!!loreHeroes
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limpid agate
I thought it was in her bio, guess not
Either way, she learns how to do things by watching it. It doesn't need to be Liao, it can be anyone
She can watch Tracer fly a plane and she will learn how to do it
She can watch Mercy perform surgery, and will learn how to do it
But making her just watch it once is not enough of a sample size
She probably needs to see it happen a few times to learn the full picture
proud pike
She can watch Tracer fly a plane and she will learn how to do it
@limpid agate offtop but ||I guess they'll let anyone be a pilot these days!||
limpid agate
I think that was about Hammond
Who is technically a mech pilot
Including mechs, we have... 5 pilots?
Echo, Pharah, Tracer, Hammond, and D.Va. I am probably missing one.
Winston piloting a rocket to Gibraltar doesn't count. That's not being a pilot, that's piloting once and being a mary sue
proud pike
I meant that the phrase just fits the context, no more
gusty sluice
I see!
proud pike
I see!
@gusty sluice That's cool
gusty sluice
It is sad that she got quaratined and locked up for many years
proud pike
?
gusty sluice
After Liao died in the explosion, she got quarantined by Overwatch, because she might pose a danger to someone right?
peak escarp
right
proud pike
Yep
worthy rose
I think I understand a lot of the lore, but dva just seems sorta... out of place in the story?
Like there’s organisations and everything, then just dva. A professional Korean gamer girl
peak escarp
she's not just a professional Korean gamer girl
she's a military mech pilot defending Korea from omnic attacks
drowsy zephyr
she started off as a gamer girl tho
peak escarp
so? the other pilots were other gamers and an F1 pilot
her gaming skills are what made her a good mech pilot
terse oar
Dva and the other members of MEKA defend Korea from the Gwishin omnics
They chose professional eSport players due to their reaction time and that they can not be hacked like AI mechs
limpid agate
People forget that South Korea, in the real world today, still has conscription
All the South Korean OWL players either have served or will serve in the military.
terse oar
Exactly
languid portal
were all epic gamers here
lament prawn
she's a former professional gamer, now servers in the meka squad
and the game she used to play was basically mech flying simulator
limpid agate
In most contexts, having a hero in an FPS whose job is "professional gamer" is weird
Its not in the context of mandatory conscription.
A character who was a "gamer" would be out of place in something like Quake or Apex for example
lament prawn
yeah but it gets the job done well enough and serves a believable excuse to have the gamer archetype as a hero
weary owl
Oh what
I was shitposting
I didnt even realize that i was trying to make a joke
Wait oml i thought this was overwatch chat i need help im so sorry i dont pay attention
limpid agate
Even if this was Overwatch Discussion, that's still shitposting
limpid agate
!!shitposting @late lion
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limpid agate
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gritty remnant
oh ok thanks
supple badge
Anyone hyped for the Ashe b o o k
unreal tartan
It’s going to be so awesome to have more backstory for the deadlock gang
sand barn
It indeed is going to be awesome!
sand barn
Yep
proud pike
Bob x Ashe
@hot heart
Again questions, again perhaps stupid. How Doomfist's main attack recharge works? I don't remember it being explained in lore
sand barn
If we are talking about that stuff, where does reaper take his guns out of
It may never be explained in the lore lol
proud pike
👍
sand barn
Thats like the only reason i can bs my way out of lol
sand barn
Well thats one way to put it
proud pike
strange iron
hot heart
!!shitposting @strange iron
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iron plume
Doomfist's primary is likely a pulse gun, similar to soldier's and tracer's
so it just recharges rather than reloading
but it might also be purely gameplay for all we know
grand wedge
He has a lot of cybernetic implants/augmentation in his body (that were mostly removed when they put him in prison)
keen zephyr
NOOT NOOT
limpid agate
!!shitposting @keen zephyr
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sick siren
Did Moira work on Doomfist or nah?
cosmic crest
What do you mean "work on?"
valid terrace
Doomfist's only enhancements are cybernetic, which is not Moira's specialty
terse oar
Doomfist got his cybernetics a little after the Omnic Crisis, before he joined Talon
young knoll
he must be a pretty good advertisement for it, all things considered
well, I doubt he owns it after his stint in prison, but
peak escarp
people dont lose ownership of companies while they're in jail
young knoll
they probably do when they are international terrorists
I'm not sure they would allow it to be in his name anymore, and the board probably would ditch him too.
peak escarp
because it's owned by his family
young knoll
maybe the family doesn't disinherit him, but I don't see how it could be legally back in his hands afterwards. maybe through shell companies or something
peak escarp
why not?
young knoll
well for one thing he broke out, he didn't even finish doing his time
maybe if he did get out after serving his sentence
I need to look into the legal aspects a bit more
peak escarp
as far as I'm aware, CEOs and company owners don't lose their position when they get convicted of a crime
young knoll
I don't think they do automatically, that is true
young knoll
I probably wouldn't, but I know that he broke out
I am not sure they would have made the same calculations, and there is no way him staying the ceo while in jail would be good optics
peak escarp
we don't know much about his family's company
we don't even know if Akande was the owner/CEO
young knoll
it did say he was the heir, right?
peak escarp
Akande Ogundimu was born into a well-regarded Nigerian family, heir to its prosthetic-technology company.
young knoll
he may not have been the owner yet, but probably eventually
peak escarp
His company's cybernetic prosthetics allowed him to recover from his injuries, even making him stronger, but these enhancements rendered him ineligible for competition. He tried to devote himself to his business with the same zeal that he had for fighting, but he found nothing that could fill the void…
young knoll
so I am sort of presuming he was either owner or close
peak escarp
it does say "his company"
young knoll
well, he is the heir to it
but it could be he wasn't owner yet
his in that it would become his
anyway, still looking up the law stuff for the terrorism aspect to see if he would be ineligible afterwards. sort of slow going because I don't know what to look for exactly
I know at least that companies are more or less considered people for the purpose of prosecution, and thus that the company would be pretty much unaffected by him getting arrested if most of it had nothing to do with his crimes
I have found a source that suggests forfeiture is a possibility, though it is unclear to what extent this forfeiture is
peak escarp
well unless it says otherwise, it's likely that Akande still has his company
(by "it" I mean "the lore")
young knoll
probably fairly likely for the purpose of the story
I would presume it would be unlikely in real life
peak escarp
!!lorecomics
twilit nacelleBOT
Comics Series 1:
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Dragon Slayer: https://bit.ly/2GpRZRk
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
A Better World: https://bit.ly/2DeJGpK
Mission Statement: https://bit.ly/2UFLC5o
Destroyer: https://bit.ly/2XcYZ9G
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
Reflections: https://bit.ly/2IoZQkr
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Uprising: https://bit.ly/2UCymhE
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
Searching: https://bit.ly/2Gh3jy6
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2XePmHG
Tracer - Londing Calling:
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Mini-Comics:
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Yeti Hunt: https://bit.ly/2VPmxRI
peak escarp
the second issue of London Calling should be coming out this week
peak escarp
yep
proud pike
Try official OW site
peak escarp
they open the pdf file
peak escarp
swift cave
Awh mannn
fringe blade
Not all of them
fringe blade
Reflections was the only comic banned in Russia AFAIK
The new Tracer comics might get flagged too
fringe blade
I mean, we had Valkyrie
hushed jetty
Mercy has a short story but that's it
fringe blade
But some sort of comic about her field work would be kinda cool
fringe blade
Maybe a comic which features her and Baptiste meeting
swift cave
I missed her pink mercy skin
hushed jetty
I would love to see that kind of comic tbh
swift cave
I love it sooooo much
hushed jetty
Anything involving Baptiste. I am all for.
swift cave
Nice
proud pike
I missed her pink mercy skin
@swift cave I missed real "Heroes never die" ult
swift cave
I wish ow 2 comes out much later like in 2022 or later
Ow 1 can be improved a lottt
Especially the matchmaking
peak escarp
they're not going to improve OW1 while they're working on OW2
swift cave
I’m all for it I love ow 😍
Like even if I come back after long I get sweaty players and bad teammates and it ruins the whole mood smh 🙇🏻🤦🏻
@proud pike byee 😄
peak escarp
I like the lore far more than I like playing the game
swift cave
Yep
Wish someone makes a yt channel for lore and finds all the little things
Like Easter eggs and stuff
swift cave
🙇🏻
limpid agate
Wish someone makes a yt channel for lore and finds all the little things
Hammeh exists.
Hammeh is the only reliable Overwatch Lore Youtuber.
There was one other youtuber who made a 40 minute video about the lore of Overwatch which was mostly good. But its not an Overwatch Lore Youtuber as far as I know
worthy rose
@peak escarp I agree.Lore>>>>gameplay
It’s more than just hammeh
But I mean it’s just do updates on Ow in general
limpid agate
reliable Overwatch Lore Youtuber
There are lots of Overwatch Youtubers who are not reliable when it comes to the lore
Some of which actually perpetuate misinformation
worthy rose
There’s actually some youtubers that do that?
Like I get misinformation but I’ve honestly never seen someone do that to lore
open island
is "the hero of numbani" good?
open island
kk ^^
fringe blade
it gives some nice insight into Numbani though, which is pretty cool
fringe blade
The Ashe book should be quite interesting
open island
i'm hypedd
sand barn
Are bastions genderless or males?
A friend of mine asked me that
cerulean ice
all omnics are genderless
they can assign a gender to themself if they want to
having a gender basically means you have a genital
lament prawn
most omnics understand the concept of gender/sex
bastion doesnt
they refer to bastion with “it”
sand barn
Yeah thats why i thought he was genderless as well
cosmic crest
Bastion is a slave bot built for war, there's no reason why it should be given a gender.
iron plume
Bastion is a slave bot built for war, there’s no reason why it should be given a gender.
While the larger point still stands, they don’t necessarily have to be “given” one to have one
If they’re made without a sense of identity but get one after, same can happen with gender
sand barn
I mean zen and orissa have genders and atleast orissa has a purpose of defending/maintaining peace in numbani
Not exactly but
hot heart
@iron plume U mean sexual orientation?
iron plume
no?
iron plume
they have no biological sex, but some of them do have a self-identified gender
cerulean ice
lets not make this complicated
iron plume
whether because they're "given" one as they're built (like Orisa) or because they come to associate with one themselves
cerulean ice
pls
hot heart
Technically they have no genders, so they can choose
iron plume
Some get assigned one by their creators, some don't
Orisa is female because Efi made her that way
The singing cat lady in Paris is also clearly made to look and act female
Zenyatta probably picked the identity for himself
cerulean ice
..
iron plume
We also have an example of a sentient omnic that doesn't have one
Lynx 17 from Searching is referred to as 'they'
hot heart
They didn't/haven't chose
iron plume
Or chosen specifically to not have one
worthy rose
Is Reaper's soul stealing ability canon?
peak escarp
somewhat
The few bodies recovered of those he kills are pale, empty husks drained of life, their cells showing signs of intense degradation.
he drains his targets somehow, and his rounds are laced with a necrotizing agent
cosmic crest
I think it's similar in origin to Moira's life steal.
Although he performs it differently.
worthy rose
Thats awesome
Hopefully we get to see him turn a hero into a empty husk. Preferably Winston
peak escarp
unlikely
worthy rose
Unfortunately the stinky monkey will not die by Reaper
lament prawn
the game isnt edgy enough for that
worthy rose
The game is edgy enough to have Reaper
terse oar
Winston’s not going to die to Reaper unless it’s for dramatics
And I doubt we’d see the corpse, more likely to be a “go on without me” kind of thing
worthy rose
I hope at least Reaper kills a hero It makes him seem more competent
worthy rose
He kills mostly worthless soldiers and civillians
But he did kill a few Overwatch agents so that makes up for it I guess
hollow fjord
Why is everyone talking about robot genders
fringe blade
I don't really see why omnic genders are a problem
They don't seem to have a biological gender, but they can identify as one
Why not leave it at that
hollow fjord
Yea
limpid agate
London Calling 2 should drop on Wednesday
That's when Dark Horse usually does comic releases
clear nest
The villains don’t need to kill a hero to look competent
Reaper is already powerful and intimidating
worthy rose
Oh yeah I forgot about that
That was suppose to be the most powerful weapon of Russia
And yet it pales in comparison to the power of Reaper
valid terrace
It was a miniature tbf it was room sized not building sized
worthy rose
Its still impressive though
And I think Reaper could hold his own against a building sized one
young knoll
not unless he had way bigger guns
worthy rose
He could get inside like Torb did and dismantle it from within
valid terrace
It looked close with the small one
valid terrace
Reaper doesn't seem like the type to sabotage an enemy anyways
He'd rather shoot until one of them gave out
young knoll
frankly genji doing what he did to the big omnic was a bit absurd too, but even he didn't beat it
Reaper probably wouldn't beat a building size one either
valid terrace
Probably not
His necrosis rounds work much better against living targets
And shotguns are less effective from further away
worthy rose
Thats gameplay though.In lore Reaper was hurting Winston from a pretty decent distance
valid terrace
Peppering him sure, but he wouldn't be able to finish him without coming in close
young knoll
shotgun pellets can be lethal from very far; gameplay is not accurate at all
though he would be far less likely to hit past say, 50 meters or so
and the ones that do hit would be unlikely to be immediately lethal
though it could conceivably kill through attrition/blood loss
but it isn't like Winston will stand still either
valid terrace
But he goes from hitting all the pellets to a smaller portion, and they are less concentrated
Against an enemy with defense like Winston or a Svyatogor having less spread helps break through
young knoll
iirc, Winston's armor shrugged off close to full blasts point blank in the museum animation
don't quote me on that
worthy rose
Winston was still hurt by them.He was even raising his hand to cover himself
valid terrace
Yeah and Reaper wasn't that close to him
young knoll
if it actually did get through, it wouldn't have "hurt" him, he would have been extremely injured or close to dead
and yeah, I may be misremembering the distance
I would need to check
lament prawn
I hope at least Reaper kills a hero It makes him seem more competent
they're not gonna kill off a hero to make your favorite "seem more competent"
no hero has successfully killed off another hero
valid terrace
Getting shot with armor on still hurts like a biatch
fringe blade
if anyone is to get killed off, it should be rein
young knoll
yeah, getting shot with kevlar still hurts
but the armor did not appear to be pierced at all, that I can recall
he would have only been bruised at most
fringe blade
I doubt his armor is simple Kevlar
young knoll
the armor wasn't
the joints probably were, or something similar
else the armor would be sort of pointless
fringe blade
Its honestly hard to say what kind of combat tech was available at the time
valid terrace
Full body Kevlar 
young knoll
he apparently could have had a personal shield
since doom did, so presumably that is an option
valid terrace
Doom has that ability in-game
It's called adaptive shield I think?
Or at least it's called the best defense
young knoll
he did in the short too
valid terrace
Yeah
fringe blade
Adaptive shield is Hammy's ability
young knoll
not sure what doom's is, but he was shot a lot in his short, he had a shield of some kind
fringe blade
I don't think Winston's fully-functioning shield is canon
valid terrace
Not yet
fringe blade
We saw him working on a prototype though, so its likely going to be a thing at some point
fringe blade
He didn't use it in the fight though
And it feels like a rather useful thing to have
Or to use, rather
peak escarp
maybe it wasn't useful
maybe he knew it wouldn't be able to block the laser from the titan
mild igloo
i think it wasnt used as it wasnt fully functional. in the reaper and winston short, his bubble popped up with "error" and then just "exploded"
peak escarp
that was a year before Zero Hour
I don't think Winston wouldn't be able to fix it/finish it in a year
mild igloo
true, but despite winstons intellect, it seems like a hard thing to perfect and build within a year
peak escarp
why?
round salmon
Question: Who helped fight the Omnics during the Omnic crisis?
peak escarp
Jack Morrison, Gabriel Reyes, Ana Amari, Torbjorn Lindholm, Reinhardt Wilhelm and Dr. Mina Liao
they were the founding members of Overwatch
peak escarp
yes
round salmon
ty :)
peak escarp
the only other heroes who were adults during the Crisis is Sigma, and we don't know what he was up to
fringe blade
I've always thought that Winston's bubble used the same tech as Rein and Brig's shields
peak escarp
maybe the same principles
but made by different people, so different quality/skill
Rein and Brig's shield combined struggled to hold back the titan's laser
Winston's shield alone would probably break instantly
worthy rose
Blizzard probrably just forgot
peak escarp
blizzard wanted him to have a cool moment of self-sacrifice
worthy rose
dang rein’s and brig’s shields combined
That’s like
2 more health than rein’s shield
limpid agate
!!shitposting @worthy rose
twilit nacelleBOT
@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
worthy rose
making one joke isn’t shitposting, I was just trying to join the convo
fringe blade
Though that is an interesting question, doesn't the 'unification/interlocking' of their shields make little sense?
What's the point of even doing that at all
worthy rose
More strength
fringe blade
You could just as well improve or strengthen Rein's shield
limpid agate
Here is Honor and Glory
fringe blade
But Taiga is right, its more symbolic than anything
limpid agate
The individual barriers are just that, individual. They have holes between them
The unified barrier isnt
If there were holes, that arching flame would have seeped in between them and just burnt everyone anyways
peak escarp
the writing team also said combining their shields and Tracer and Mei making a cryo bomb were supposed to represent the way players will combine abilities and ultimates to help their team
weary owl
Wouldnt this sheild be melted nearly as fast as reinhardts normal sheild?
Like i kinda see the point but like adding 200 more health to a sheild isnt that much unless this sheild gains alot more health once the two are combined
weary owl
Ah
peak escarp
there isn't a number somewhere saying how much health it has
weary owl
Cuz i kinda feel as if this beam/flame shouldve melted this sheild right away
Then again these reinhardt sheilds in the lore last for ever up against 6 bastions ( no im not joking )
peak escarp
the shields last as long as the plot requires
they can stay up against 6 Bastions, but get melted by an OR14
weary owl
Idk i just always found it kinda odd how that worked
peak escarp
sometimes things just work because they do, there isn't really any explanation for it
lament prawn
^
cursive tendon
Is there like a site where I can get all the available free OW lore in chronological order?
cerulean ice
raven sluice
What the hell is hanzos beef with Genji
pale gulch
thats what im thinking too
round salmon
Yeah, I don’t understand it
terse oar
Genji didn’t want to act responsibly to help the clan, dishonoring himself
As Hanzo was made the leader after their fathers assassination, he had to either kill Genji or convince him to act maturely
And we all know how that went...
cursive tendon
Danke.
fringe blade
Hanzo doesn't have beef with Genji
Not really, anyway
They have a very interesting relationship
But 'beef' isn't an accurate word
They don't hate each other
Hanzo didn't nearly kill Genji out of hate
cursive tendon
This could go on a mental gymnastics meme template.
fringe blade
?
strong gorge
my name am i right
worthy rose
Ew no
candid juniper
To be fair it is close to confirmed canon
worthy rose
Least is better than anyone who ships Reaper with Soldier
worthy rose
Thats just EW
strong gorge
thats jail
candid juniper
Like I understand why people would ship it before the fall of Overwatch but still unrealistic
strong gorge
completely agree
worthy rose
Everyone should agree because it is d i s c u s t i n g
worthy rose
The internet is wierd
strong gorge
true
limpid agate
@worthy rose That's not an appropriate joke
strong gorge
people ship widow and ashe just because they can both aim down sights
worthy rose
Some ships like that are just bad
strong gorge
i never understood widow and tracer, they hate eachother and constantly try to kill eachother and people ship them
limpid agate
99% of interhero ships are not worth discussing here because they have zero or negative root in the lore
The only one that does is Genji/Mercy.
worthy rose
Ew
strong gorge
werent their actors talking about it tho
strong gorge
McCree aint no simp
limpid agate
The VAs aren't the writing staff
strong gorge
he rejected two girls in one day
candid juniper
Most Interactions aren’t canon so basing characters attitudes towards others solely because of their interactions is unreliable
strong gorge
what about archives interactons
strong gorge
so genji/mercy would still be supported there
candid juniper
Yes
And since the two of them have met outside of missions it’s not hard to believe that some of their interactions outside of Archives could’ve happened in canon
strong gorge
true
limpid agate
The interactions are not canon, in the case that they actually happened. They represent canon, showing what they would say in a given scenario and insight into their character, personality, history, and (potential) relationship
strong gorge
also, when shipping do people not consider that there are more people that arent only playablecharacters why do people only ship the playable ones
limpid agate
For example, Lucio and D.Va never met. If they did, they would get along. "Can I get your autograph" "ONly if I can get yours too, I love your new album"
Which also tells us that they are fans of each other
candid juniper
The interactions are not canon, in the case that they actually happened. They represent canon, showing what they would say in a given scenario and insight into their character, personality, history, and (potential) relationship
@limpid agate Thanks
I wasn’t too sure about the interactions
strong gorge
huh
i guess
also whats up with pharmercy
do people ship them just cuz they fly or did i miss something
candid juniper
Pretty much
strong gorge
huh
candid juniper
^
strong gorge
true
fringe blade
McCree and Ashe have really cool synergy together
And its a shame that the major part of the community sees it as a romantic one
candid juniper
That’s the community for you 
strong gorge
yeh
candid juniper
But they do have good synergy and I do want to see how they interact in the future
fringe blade
They seemed to have some sort of romantically-inclined energy in the past, but I never saw them to be ex-lovers
unreal tartan
I think it just comes down to biology, we see people with good chemistry and we want them to make babies
fringe blade
No, it comes down to the community seeing two attractive characters and saying 'Aha! Lets make them bone each other!'
unreal tartan
I’m really excited for the novel though, definitely picking it up ASAP
fringe blade
It'll be interesting to see their interactions
I've always seen them to be like very close friends in the past
fringe blade
We are getting Zen lore in OW2 for sure
limpid agate
Zenyatta will be featured in Overwatch 2. He will be in India for a currently unknown reason.
unreal tartan
Do we know if the former members of blackwatch like McCree were ever tried for their crimes?
strong gorge
No, it comes down to the community seeing two attractive characters and saying 'Aha! Lets make them bone each other!'
@fringe blade at this point it doesnt matter what they look like people grab a roulette and pick a random of two characters for example zen and genji
fringe blade
I wonder why Genji isn't wanted
limpid agate
Moira is not wanted either
limpid agate
Blackwatch is Overwatch
fringe blade
Blackwatch was part of Overwatch
fringe blade
I'm pretty sure Blackwatch was never tried as a criminal organization
terse oar
Genji might not have been tried since it was mainly Reyes’s fault that the plan went wrong (I’m assuming you’re talking about Retribution)
strong gorge
then why was mccree tried
fringe blade
McCree wasn't tried cause of Blackwatch
unreal tartan
Now that I think about it overwatch was an international organization, no one really had much authority over them, other than maybe the UN
terse oar
He wasn’t
strong gorge
oh
fringe blade
He was blamed for the train raid, I believe
strong gorge
im confused now
unreal tartan
But he was being chased before the train incident
Did we ever find out what the thing mccree kicked out of the train was?
terse oar
No
strong gorge
echo i think
cosmic crest
No, it was a cube of some kind.
strong gorge
oh
terse oar
He’s referring to the comic
strong gorge
ohh
terse oar
But yes, he did get Echo out of the train in the cinematic
unreal tartan
I hope that the lose threads like that get picked up in ow2
terse oar
There are quite a few loose ends they could cover, but it depends how the campaign is focused
fringe blade
We never got an official explanation of what it was
But it looked like some sort of energy source or something along those lines
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
winged plank
McCree was with Ashe and her group yeah? Maybe once he left overwatch he was no longer pardoned
Idk, I could be 100% wrong
peak escarp
McCree could just be at the wrong place at the wrong time
like with the train
he saved them, but the media will blame him for the attack
fringe blade
I'm pretty sure McCree was never in trouble in terms of Blackwatch
peak escarp
aside from all the espionage, kidnapping and assassination Blackwatch did
fringe blade
I don't believe Blackwatch was ever deemed a criminal organization though, was it?
Or officially tried, anyway
peak escarp
doesn't mean what they did was legal
fringe blade
yes, that's true
I was just talking about the fact that Blackwatch isn't the reason as to why McCree is on the run from the law
frosty shell
It's probably his history with the Deadlock Gang
I doubt he ever got cleared for that
tacit nest
Nah, Ashe said betrayal is never pardoned
so chances are she still has bad blood with McCree
Cus mccree dipped Deadlock to join overwatch and blackwatch and whatnot and that pissed off Ashe a l o t
peak escarp
they have bad blood because McCree broke Ashe's rules
tacit nest
Yea pretty much
peak escarp
Her principles: keep your word, don’t work with the law, respect each other’s territory, and always punish betrayal.
don't work with the law - Overwatch counts as "the law"
peak escarp
and she sees him leaving the gang to join Blackwatch as a major betrayal
tacit nest
I feel like she couldve dealt with him in the short involving the train robbery but she let him go somehow
youd think
if ashe saw him she'd have a fit of rage and immediately try to kill him instead of having that little standoff they had
peak escarp
maybe that wasn't in her territory
young knoll
Even if it was her territory, she wouldn’t necessarily be there either
Lot of ground to cover
fringe blade
I think that McCree's betrayal didn't only hurt her cause it broke her rules
They were very close, and getting left behind by McCree probably hurt her more than the fact that he broke their rules
peak escarp
yeah
orchid swan
Mcree and Bob are better friends than Ashe and Mcree
fringe blade
Eh
teal meadow
They added new interactions
teal meadow
cerulean ice
thats alot of widow interactions
teal meadow
Not sure if you noticed
teal meadow
But this widow has more personality and shows more feelings
She seems to feel disgust and frustration more than usual
cerulean ice
"emotionless" in her case isnt really true emotionless
teal meadow
Yeah, but look how she reply with such anger in her words
Maybe blizzard is teasing something for ow 2
Also ashe be like: OWO nice skates
empty hinge
Ashe rlly cutting on lucio lol
cerulean ice
im not sure if skates bothered her at some point in her life or just an ashe personality
empty hinge
I just think she too “cool” for something like tht
Or atleast that’s what she thinks
teal meadow
It's probably just her personality, remember she has a bully past
tranquil iron
Hello friends
cerulean ice
because he saw her on whatever the place is called
swift mason
Isn’t the age difference a bit big?
Since sigma is the oldest of the whole hero roster
weary owl
29?
grand wedge
The only thing implied is that Widow goes to the cabaret and so is Sigma
weary owl
Oh yeah your right