this is seen in the infiltration cinematic
#lore-discussion
cerulean ice
worthy rose
Reaper is powerful enough to battle a primal rage Winston who bested Winston he is definetly very powerful
clear nest
^
clear nest
winston also beat doomfist 
worthy rose
He did not win in the museum he just escaped cause Widow messed up
worthy rose
And Winston only one because Reaper was cocky It doesn't make Winston more powerful
peak escarp
Reaper is just an edgy theatre kid
worthy rose
I still feel like he could defeat at least most of the cast in OW
Maybe not Symm but most of the characters
worthy rose
Lots of characters are useless without guns
peak escarp
exactly
that's why "who would win" needs more clarification
in a deathmatch? in a baking contest? in a spelling bee? I need details here
cerulean ice
well judging overall, my list would be;
- sigma
- winston
- *symmetra
- doomfist
- reaper
asterisk for symm because we dont know much she can do with hardlight
limpid agate
Moira is not a powerful combatant
cerulean ice
.
worthy rose
I wouldn't add Sigma since we know nothing about him
hushed jetty
Well he can control gravity.
cerulean ice
thats an overpowered ability
hushed jetty
He can probably just slam you into the ground and be done with you
peak escarp
even smoke is subject to gravity
hushed jetty
Even if he didn't hurt you, at the very least you would be subdued
worthy rose
I don't think he can hurt someone like Doomfist
cerulean ice
??
how
he can just
stop him from moving so much
and rip him apart
from existence
hushed jetty
Sigma's ultimate is literally just a "no" button. We haven't seen it in lore yet, but if it does exist, that would be a fight ender, surely
peak escarp
the thing about Sigma is
yeah he's powerful (assuming he has full control of gravity), but he's not a violent person
worthy rose
I highly doubt Sigma would rip a person apart in a kid friendly franchise
peak escarp
he'd probably avoid conflict whenever possible
hushed jetty
He wouldn't but he could
cerulean ice
I highly doubt Sigma would rip a person apart in a kid friendly franchise
what kind of excuse is that
peak escarp
Genji was basically dismembered
cerulean ice
well regardless, ripping apart people is an example
peak escarp
they just didn't show it
cerulean ice
of his ability
peak escarp
why does everyone care so much about who is strongest or who would win
worthy rose
Lol
trail temple
The question becomes, what is the theoretical maximum gravitational force Sigma can exert (which we can find by finding the most difficult feat he performs in lore) and how much force would it take to kill an enhanced human
clear nest
I don’t know much about lore yet but I don’t think we know much about sigma, I don’t think they would make Sigma incredibly op
trail temple
given sigma's feats in-game, we could say his strength is very very very high but do we consider that in lore?
trail temple
yes it is
clear nest
limpid agate
@cerulean ice Play nice
cerulean ice
sorry dad
trail temple
any character with projectiles? they don't matter. any character with melee? can't get close. also he can literally squash you like a bug
cerulean ice
dude can make torb shorter than he alr is
limpid agate
Gravity manipulation is powerful, but has limitations. We haven't seen enough to see those limitations
cerulean ice
or not because his bones would crush so technically making him shorter
trail temple
I guess the question is, what's the most difficult thing he's canonically done
cerulean ice
whaT Is ThaT eQuaTiOn?
trail temple
we would need to know how fast he moved something and how heavy the thing was
then we can find the force exerted by the movement
young knoll
or perhaps he has "infinite" power, but within a short range
worthy rose
Well we don't know
young knoll
exactly
worthy rose
His best feats are creating bolders and lifting people up in the air
Not very impressive really
young knoll
technically that is gameplay
worthy rose
Yeah but most characters abilities translate from gameplay to lore
young knoll
I don't remember the intro vid too well, but we don't have a good idea of what he does
well, largely, that is true
cerulean ice
looking at his abilities ingame i think we can clear some things on how it works
his ult is just a mega trump card or goes out mentally insane and starts killing everybody
or not
becaue gravity manipulation
surprise
limpid agate
His best feat is creating singularities
young knoll
Which would be impressive, but I find that dubious to say the least. Those are supposedly at the cores of black holes. He could destroy the planet with that
cerulean ice
its probably a cheap black hole
worthy rose
If his black holes are that strong why would he need to create bolders as his weapons
cerulean ice
its still just gravity circling around his hands
and it eats instead of pulls
which probably is for gameplay purposes
but
idk
man
peak escarp
because creating an actual black hole, even for a second, would cause massive damage
trail temple
yeah and you also can't uncreate a black hole
not instantly at least, maybe tracer could by speeding up its perception of time so much that Hawking radiation destroys it? but then the radiation might mess some things up as well? i don't know how much tracer can do either
iron plume
she didn't
iron plume
The shot hit her scope and she was injured with the glass
frigid stirrup
So you're telling me a bullet just stops working through some glass...?
iron plume
do you know how long and heavy a sniper scope is
frigid stirrup
Is the entire scope glass or is it hollow?
iron plume
a scope is mostly metal with the glass in the middle
the bullet most likely didn't go through, just applied enough force that the glass in the back blew out
peak escarp
Also, Ana had a cybernetic eye on that side
frigid stirrup
So her scope stopped the bullet?
iron plume
yes
peak escarp
the hit did give her amnesia
iron plume
unless Widow has an anti-materiel rifle it's extremely unlikely the bullets aren't stopped in a big-ass tube of metal
frigid stirrup
Ah alright this makes more sense now
So what I'm getting from this is...
Widow was throwing
frigid stirrup
Understandable
trail temple
isn't widow supposed to be the best sniper in the world? wouldn't she know that and shoot for somewhere that was more likely to kill?
peak escarp
she was probably aiming for a headshot
vocal nymph
so is soldier the only one that knows ana is actually still alive?
vocal nymph
don't remember there being something about reaper knowing. which comic was that
hushed jetty
There was the one comic where Reaper and Ana met. I don't remember which one.
lament prawn
pharah got the letter didnt she?
vocal nymph
I dont think pharah knows 🤷
terse oar
I vaguely remember something about a letter, but I don’t remember from where
But I don’t think Pharah knows
terse oar
Idk anymore
lament prawn
i forgot what ana said about pharah in bastet
wasnt it just that pharah never responded?
peak escarp
yeah
unreal tartan
Mercy also knows as of the events of the Valkyrie short story
toxic venture
What about the voice lines
vocal nymph
Oh pharah knows but Sam doesn't
cosmic crest
Presumably, since Mercy knows Ana, Morrison and Reyes are alive, so does the rest of the Neo Overwatch team.
Or at least it would be wrong if she didn't tell them.
fringe blade
It wouldn't necessarily be wrong
They chose different paths, but revealing that 76 and Ana are alive is dangerous, even if its to a group of trusted Overwatch members
twin dust
poo
cosmic crest
Reaper is actively hunting former Overwatch agents, Mercy not giving them vital information about one of their most dangerous enemies would be foolish.
It's also wouldn't be right from a social standpoint. The former OW leaders were well liked by the team, she'd be a bad friend for not telling them that they are alive.
timid eagle
It's a decision that will bite them down the road.
toxic venture
im not even gonnna get ow2 bc its just story
i play for the competitive multiplayer
swift mason
Yeah, this channel is only for people who are interested in the lore, if you’re going to talk about something competitive on this channel, I’d recommend going to a different channel to talk about that
vocal nymph
In for the story missions where I can never defeat extreme difficulty
timid eagle
I think the one thing that will peak my interest is how the different factions will clash.
We've seen most of the omnic combat droids that have populated the roster in promotional art, but I wonder if Talon will have new enemy units (on top of the Soldier, Sniper, Heavy, and CC types).
vocal nymph
I want that talon assassin to be a playable hero
modern thicket
god that would be so cool but also absolutley awful
terse oar
A guy hacked the game and played as the Talon units
It’s possible we could get a similar hero in the future, though I somewhat doubt it
https://youtu.be/sZX9cKaT0mM
^ footage of the hacker
hushed jetty
Well Mauga is a heavy assault, so he's probably going to be the closest thing we get to playing as one of them. When he gets released.
If he gets released as a hero.
peak escarp
the assassin was based on an ability Genji had during prototyping
they decided it was unfair to take control away from the player for so long
terse oar
Mauga has like a 90% chance of being a hero
The Assassin would be Genji with Tracer blinks and a stun, which would be absolutely awful to fight
limpid agate
The devs have explicitly said that Mauga is something they are working on.
hushed jetty
i know they're working on him, but i'm not 100% sure that he'll be a hero.
i'm 95% sure he will be. but that 5% is still there.
peak escarp
it's not so much a matter of if, it's a matter of when
hushed jetty
yeah
swift mason
Blizzard's idea of 'when' is really confusing. Like earlier this year Jeff said more new OW2 designs will be coming very soon, and yet, nothing was announced
peak escarp
was it Jeff that said that? I thought it was Renaud Galand
limpid agate
The Coronavirus did impact that.
swift mason
idk someone from the dev team
naive iris
kk
worthy rose
kk
devout fjord
Is ana a terrorist or something
hushed jetty
No?
peak escarp
Ana is not a terrorist, she's a vigilante
terse oar
Ana is a vigilante that, as of now, is working with Soldier
rugged ginkgo
devout sage
Ana was an assassin right?
peak escarp
she was a sniper
fringe blade
It will be interesting to see what impact 76 and Ana will bring to the main story
terse oar
Ana was a sniper for the Egyptian military, and then a co commander for OW
mild igloo
I don't know if this has been said before, but during the OW 2 cinematic I've seen a lot of people saying why didn't Winston put his bubble down. I think it was because in previous cinematics he has been working on it but hasn't gotten it to successfully function yet.
limpid agate
Also, just because it can block anything in game doesn't mean it will here too
mild igloo
true, considering in game the sheild is only 700 and it would melt under those circumstances
limpid agate
Again, gameplay != lore
mild igloo
oops sorry
but in general if he even put it down, it would just cause the error sign and "explode" like in the cinematic between him and reaper
lament prawn
if he had his shield ready, he wouldnt be in immediate danger, which would take away from genji's entrance. a shot of his jump pack firing up would have been nice so it at least looks like he has a plan of attack, but i think the shield would do more damage than good from a cinematic perspective
peak escarp
maybe the shield is useless against lasers
mild igloo
how bout reins and briggite sheild
mild igloo
arent their sheilds made out of the same thing from winstons
peak escarp
Jupit has it right though - he didnt use a shield because it looked cooler if he thought he was facing certain defeat
peak escarp
sometimes dramatic moments are a bit illogical
fringe blade
Yea, like the fact of why he didn't go for the omnic, since he could clearly cut through the omnic's armor with the sword
distant field
civic wyvern
Is zenyatta and that British road man omnic who died related ?
swift mason
Mondatta, zen and him have had some sort of relationship, zen considered him as like a brother, since they are both members of the shambali, the omnic group that believe in the iris
swift mason
We don't know what he looks like underneath
civic wyvern
Is he ugly?
vocal nymph
Imagine under that mask is another mask
worthy rose
Hey
weary owl
Yes we know what he looks like under the mask
Its an ingame spray showing his real face
what is under pavement pigs gas mask ?
@civic wyvern
swift mason
That spray is only a depicion of what the police think he looks like
That's actually not his real face
proud pike
damn 25 million
@distant field For McCree reward is 60 million
So?
I think when the book about McCree comes out, we'll be able to estimate roughly how many laws he broke
It will be very superficial, but still
cerulean ice
*That's not Roadhog real face. In Blizzcon 2015, the devs told us a story about that spray. So it goes like this:
They finished the design for Roadhog and Junkrat, and asked artists (who didn't know the faces of those two) to draw for them the wanted posters for Road and Junk. The catch is, they will not provide them the art of both characters, just the names and some special characteristics. For Roadie, they described him: hog-like, terrifying, fat, menacing, wearing pig mask etc. The result, is that art. They want to make it like real life, where people describe the face of a criminal to the cops, and get something that is a bit different than real life's face. They want wanted posters feel like wanted posters with some misses and inaccuracies.*
proud pike
Oh, thx
weary owl
Oh i see
proud pike
I think this is logical, since the police sketch is based on the description. And how can you describe the face of someone who wears a pig mask? Pig.
peak escarp
zen considered him as like a brother
Mondatta and Zenyatta are from the same religious order
people from the same religious order call each other brother/sister
dense gale
Sooooo catch me up
peak escarp
on what?
dense gale
the lore
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
dense gale
thx
formal crystal
Genji is my favourite character in ow because of his lore.
worthy rose
Reaper is my favorite because he is badass,tragic,and supremely powerful
formal crystal
Your username screams Reaper fan
worthy rose
Ofc Im a Reaper fan.The guy is death itself whats not to love
peak escarp
we don't know
hard sinew
Anybody else like that?
peak escarp
as far as we know, all the non-robot heroes can die of old age
peak escarp
I don't think so
she just reminds herself back to the state she was in a few seconds ago, while time around her continues to move forward
hard sinew
So she's in the past technically?
Oh wait no
Because in rewind when she recalled wasn't widow in a different spot?
peak escarp
yes
terse oar
Only Tracer herself moves backward
peak escarp
she doesn't rewind time for everyone, just herself
she's able to move outside the normal flow of time
hard sinew
So she still lives in present time?
terse oar
Yes
hard sinew
Ty
prime pond
What is Sigma? Evil black hole scientist?
terse oar
Sigma was a renowned astrophysicist
terse oar
Sigma’s a nice person, but his mind was somewhat shattered by the black hole in his origin trailer
Talon freed him from the government facility he was held in, and is using him
prime pond
So he created a black hole and somehow didn't get sucked into it?
terse oar
It’s the future, idk
prime pond
Or like a tiny black hole sucked some brain out of him?
peak escarp
"freed" isnt exactly accurate - he's as much a prisoner with Talon as he was in the facility
he just doesn't know it
terse oar
True
peak escarp
its not really clear - they use his research somehow
terse oar
We don’t know exactly what role he plays in Talon, but he’s used for his research and maybe combat
prime pond
Well they are terrorists so...
peak escarp
but we haven't seen them use any gravity weapons
prime pond
Maybe something in the future we'll see?
peak escarp
unlike Moira, who has actively contributed genetically enhanced soldiers to Talon
the Enforcer, Assassin and Heavy are all said to have genetic enhancement
prime pond
Oh. So those black armored guys are like clone troopers?
peak escarp
sorta
prime pond
Nice
peak escarp
prime pond
So if Talon are terrorists then what is Blackwatch?
peak escarp
Blackwatch was Overwatch's black ops division
prime pond
Oh yeah. Reaper
peak escarp
others like McCree and Genji are off doing their own thing
prime pond
So what's up with the hamster on a robot?
prime pond
So a small Winston
I think the Horizon Lunar Colony were lowkey making furry's on the moon.
peak escarp
he escaped by hitching a ride (literally) to Winston's pod, crash landed in Australia, and used his self-trained knowledge as an engineer to build a mech
peak escarp
I assume you mean Baptiste
worthy rose
@formal crystal Actually no Reaper imo is more tragic since he believed his friends had betrayed him.He is also in a far worse state being in constant agony and being forced to hide his face from everyone
prime pond
Ye
peak escarp
he joined Talon because he needed the money, but found out how evil they were an split
now Talon wants him dead
peak escarp
he's on his own for now
terse oar
The last appearance of Baptiste, he wanted to meet with Mercy
But he’s on his own pretty much
prime pond
Ah
peak escarp
in the short story What You Left Behind he said he was going to find Mercy to warn her that Talon intercepted the Recall message Winston sent out
terse oar
My guess is he’ll show up in the OW2 campaign and do exactly that
peak escarp
probably
prime pond
I wanna see a animated series of the omnic crisis from the beginnings of the war to the end.
That'd be cool
peak escarp
that would be amazing
terse oar
There’s the OW Museum in the launch cinematic... that’s kinda close lol
prime pond
Then maybe a story of how Bastion ended up in the forest so far from battle
Eh
I mean like a dedicated documentary of all the battles that took place during the war, how many died and how much was destroyed. Maybe some art of warzones.
terse oar
I’m imagining this like a National Geographic episode, and that sounds great
terse oar
Jeff Kaplan narrating an Omnic Crisis documentary
prime pond
Yes
terse oar
I need it
prime pond
Btw what year does Overwatch take place in?
terse oar
I think only around 2075
prime pond
Sounds about right
terse oar
It’s not that far in the future, but happens after a large scientific renaissance
prime pond
Well with robots with a conciousness and floating cars, pretty advanced
limpid agate
@prime pond @terse oar Its speculated to be 2076. They said it was ~60 years in the future.
terse oar
One year off dang it...
fringe blade
Floating cars is the least exciting part of the universe
limpid agate
That is, 2076 is speculated to be the year of Recall
Zero Hour/Overwatch 2 is one year later
terse oar
Jeff said something a long time ago that they wanted every car to float or something
To represent the future
fringe blade
Well, its a very stereotypical thing of the 'future'
terse oar
Exactly
fringe blade
Though the OW universe has a lot more fascinating things than floating cars
prime pond
Ye. Talking monkey and time travel
fringe blade
A lot of things you can name which are much more exciting and just outright cooler than flying cars
Flying cars were a cool concept in the 80s-90s just cause of how foreign that kind of thing felt
prime pond
Ye
proud pike
Hiya
Here I have a question. This is about Tracer and her abilities. If everything is clear about recall, she simply returns herself in time, without touching the present. But then there's the question of her blinking. How to explain them?
proud dust
pretty sure it's supposed to be her just speeding up her time, or going forward in time
the way it works in game makes no sense though
proud pike
if you think that blink is moving yourself forward in time without touching the present, then the question arises again. How does she use it to cross the precipices?
proud dust
like i said, it makes no sense
she only has control over time though so i dont know how else she would do it
limpid agate
She is going to a place that she would potentially be in the future.
proud pike
peak escarp
she's in her own future
hard sinew
So let's say tracers at her apartment and Emily comes home
Would Emily come home earlier in tracers life?
Like when Emily gets home for tracer Emily isn't at home for emily
If u know what I mean
fleet gate
I think emily would always stay in main time in reality but when tracer jumps around she would always be pulled back and centered towards the most current timeline?
idk im confused by it too
limpid agate
@hard sinew Tracer isnt travelling through time
Time is moving normally
She just moves her body to places that it was at a different time
fleet gate
but she has her own time right?
limpid agate
Lets make an example here.
fleet gate
so she can manipulate her own time without messing up the current timeline
limpid agate
Just... hold on
fleet gate
right?
limpid agate
No
Tracer is at home. Emily comes home. Tracer stands up, walks over to Emily, and hugs Emily. This is what a normal person would do.
However, that is a possible future for Tracer's movements. So instead:
Tracer is at home. Emily comes home. Tracer blinks to Emily, then hugs her.
Time didn't change
If anything, she just got to Emily a few seconds earlier
fleet gate
ohhhh
limpid agate
Time is the same
fleet gate
ok ty this is pretty confusing
limpid agate
It is super speed but called time travel
fleet gate
so even if she blinks and recalls and stuff time would stay but only her movements would change right?
limpid agate
Lets look at Alive for example
Tracer walks into a Venom Mine. She gets poisoned. She Recalls to a place before her body got poisoned.
Time didnt move backwards, its stillt here.
Or Zero Hour
Tracer takes the bomb. She enters the omnic and places the bomb inside of it. She then Recalls to where she was before she took the bomb.
Time didn't rewinds itself. The bomb is still in the omnic. Genji still chopped off its hand.
She just moved her body to where it was before
fleet gate
yes time doesnt move but isn't her body seperate from time bc she can change how she was only a few seconds before?
like with the venom vine example
limpid agate
Its semantics.
fleet gate
ok
ty for clearing it up
its just hard for me to understand how time doesnt change even when she does but ty
proud dust
it still doesnt explain how her blink actualls functions in game and i believe in some animations as well
like when she blinked upwards, or can blink across gaps
fleet gate
yea
proud dust
things that wouldnt be possible ever
hard sinew
I used to think it meant when she recalled people would see stuff before her
fleet gate
bc i guess she moves through her own time?
fleet gate
because her own time would have to be separate from the rest of the world's i think
but idk
proud dust
time isnt really a thing so i dont think it necessarily has to be separate
proud dust
her particles just change into a state and location that they were or would be
i guess lol
proud dust
depends on what you mean by stuff
if her blood were splattered on a wall then yeah i think that would go back into her body
fleet gate
yea that makes sense
proud pike
It looks like Tenet XD
proud pike
I gradually think that I shouldn't have asked this question - my head is exploding already
fleet gate
same
proud dust
what do you mean by that, like how does she not move their time as well?
fleet gate
ok one sec
so what if tracer is walking on a busy london street
and shes like whoops i dropped my keys or smth
so then recalls back right where a person is standing
then is she like in that person???
proud dust
assuming her abilities don't somehow take into consideration the locations of other particles in the world, yeah
but I think they must somehow
proud pike
then is she like in that person???
@fleet gate yes
fleet gate
bruh
proud pike
Technically
fleet gate
my head hurts
proud dust
i dont imagine time travel ever being possible in real life so there probably isn't a solid explanation for what tracer can do
proud pike
-----------------------> this is normal timeline for all
-----------------------> this is Tracer timeline, same with normal
proud dust
maybe it would be possible to like, revert entropy? but then that would revert everything in existence
fleet gate
so she does have control of her own timeline right
proud pike
But normal timeline is still normal
fleet gate
yea she must
proud pike
So, yep, she can kill herself and random person by recalling in him
Sounds weird
But okay
fleet gate
but she is still physically in the normal timeline except her control of time is in her own timeline
oof
proud pike
Yep
proud dust
would she then create an entirely new dimension or timeline that starts from the point she recalls to?
fleet gate
she stays in her own
or rather her time stays in her own
while her body is still physically in normal time
proud pike
She only changes her state and position, but she does not change the past
proud dust
that's not changing a timeline at all then, recalling or not
proud pike
She can't kill Reyes as baby for example
proud dust
just changing position
proud pike
Yep
proud pike
Nope
lament prawn
she also doesnt rewind her brain, she seems to have her memories even of the times that she recalled
proud pike
she doesn't command time for others, only her own
she also doesnt rewind her brain, she seems to have her memories even of the times that she recalled
@lament prawn and this is a plot hole
fleet gate
but with her time she can change the future from stuff she does
proud pike
Nope
fleet gate
?
proud pike
She is still in normal time
lament prawn
i wouldnt call it a plothole, its like why her clothes blink with her, just convenient and works better for the game story
proud pike
Just in past position
lament prawn
she also wouldnt know what to dodge if she doesnt remember she recalled at all lol
she would just do the same thing over and over
fleet gate
yes, i was just agreeing she cannot change others time but can change their future events with her time
proud pike
i wouldnt call it a plothole, its like why her clothes blink with her, just convenient and works better for the game story
@lament prawn ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
lament prawn
smh
proud dust
what you're saying raf is that she doesnt really have any control over time
fleet gate
but she does
proud dust
which would explain why her brain doesnt get reset
proud pike
what you're saying raf is that she doesnt really have any control over time
@proud dust yep
fleet gate
but then how does she choose when to blink if she doesn't control even her own timeline?
proud dust
wdym it's just an ability
proud pike
Only position and state
proud dust
like me choosing to move my arm
proud pike
okay, let's change the subject, time is a complicated thing
fleet gate
my head hurtsss
proud pike
fleet gate
proud pike
@proud pike she looks like she is from that BBQ pic in LC comic
iron plume
the simplest explanation for blink would be that she'd get to point X in some time just by running
but she accelerates her own timeline and thus gets there faster
fleet gate
lmaoo
proud pike
Hurt
hard sinew
Our brains
iron plume
that would not work in the air but maybe gravity is slowed down in comparison to her or whatever
fleet gate
they hurt
hard sinew
I need to go school😢
fleet gate
ahhhhhh
proud pike
that would not work in the air but maybe gravity is slowed down in comparison to her or whatever
@iron plume nooo
Stooop
fleet gate
gRaViTy?
iron plume
you're not helping yourself rn
fleet gate
we havent even considered gravity
just reality and time
and our heads are already about to explode
proud pike
and our heads are already about to explode
@fleet gate wait...
fleet gate
pls no
hard sinew
The only question I have is if tracer blinks / recalls do people see stuff before/after her
proud pike
Did u hear that music?
iron plume
well, you can always fall back to It Just Works Okay
proud pike
gusty sluice
Have everyone heard the news about Ashe and Mccree's upcoming novel?
proud pike
Have everyone heard the news about Ashe and Mccree's upcoming novel?
@gusty sluice i said it yesterday
gusty sluice
I am kinda scared because it might decanonize my headcanon for mccree, but in general its a good addition! That might answer why Mccree joined Deadlock
fleet gate
yea and why ashe n mccree are like enemies now
terse oar
Ashe is mad at McCree because he betrayed the gang
gusty sluice
I hope it will answer the missing pieces of their past
Yea, and he joined Blackwatch
terse oar
Yes
fleet gate
ooo yea
terse oar
Obviously including Deadlocks formation
proud pike
Anyway gtg, see ya!
fleet gate
byee!
proud pike
terse oar
hard sinew
fleet gate
i hope they'll have new voice lines and stuff during the zombie shooting thing
you know what i mean
gusty sluice
Yea
But I feel that they sound cheesier than archives one.... because its for event purposes
terse oar
You may want to move this conversation to #overwatch before a mod appears 
fleet gate
yea ty
terse oar
They won’t hesitate with a warning
fleet gate
sorry im still new on this server and discord in general
fleet gate
nice talking with you guys! gtg soon
gusty sluice
I feel you! People here are damn strict, thats why I am extremely careful while being on lore server.
terse oar
Bye!
fleet gate
ok goodbye
gusty sluice
Bye!
proud pike
now I'm sure that EN community is much better than RU
proud pike
En - English ru - Russian
proud pike
here the question arose. technically, no one knew about BW, and the entire BW team is OW agents?
I mean, Jack didn't know about BW, did he?
terse oar
OW agents knew about Blackwatch, but not the public
It was the covert OPs /stealth team
However it was disbanded after Retribution
proud pike
but are BW agents still OW agents?
swift mason
Yes, because black watch is still a part of overwatch
terse oar
Genji was taken into OW after his fight with Hanzo
In exchange for saving his life, he would join
swift mason
Moira was originally a scientist for them, but her experiments got too crazy
terse oar
Yes
swift mason
But he’s still overwatch
terse oar
Moira was a controversial scientist, and OW didn’t want to have someone that dangerous or a bad reputation
proud pike
tbh I think Reyes would be a better leader for OW than Jack
terse oar
But she was invited to join BW by Reyes, unknown to Jack
swift mason
Reyes was originally the leader, but then years after the omnic crisis, jack took over
proud pike
But she was invited to join BW by Reyes, unknown to Jack
@terse oar okay
And what about McCree
How?
terse oar
McCree was part of Deadlock, and OW was sent to stop them and succeeded
proud pike
Damn
terse oar
Reyes recognized McCree’s skills and potential, and offered him his hand
proud pike
Weird decision
proud pike
I don't find OW good company. I would immediately ban their activities after the end of the uprising.
proud pike
Take Angela Ziegler, for example. Ana and Jack just stole her technology and made them look like their own.
terse oar
Do you mean currently? They never stole her tech during OW
proud pike
as victims in Egypt, which could have been avoided
Jack promises one thing on admission and does another
terse oar
I’m confused what you’re referring to
swift mason
Mercy kinda wanted her tech to be spread around because she believed it could do a lot of good
terse oar
^
swift mason
So if anything jack and Ana are doing her a favour
proud pike
I mean, Jack had a vested interest
I would explain, but my knowledge of English is not enough for this. damn language barrier
proud pike
You’re English looks fine
@terse oar let's say.... It's easier to explain orally, than in text form
terse oar
Lol
proud pike
okay, I don't think we're going to agree, but OW is a bad idea for me. As 
said ''That's a difficult question''
terse oar
The organization?
proud pike
Yep
woeful path
a concept in a book that i recently read, "people shouldnt have to just be at mercy of those in power to protect them, they should be able to protect themselves"
can see that happening with overwatch
proud pike
I am skeptical about this "group of peacemakers"
woeful path
basically ppl in power phhh
terse oar
Overwatch was somewhat controversial
proud pike
True
terse oar
I don’t know, I can see where you’re coming from
But at the same time Overwatch was kinda needed you know?
People were dying, and many countries didn’t have the power to fight back against the omnics effectively
proud pike
People were dying, and many countries didn’t have the power to fight back against the omnics effectively
@terse oar Yes, but now omnics live in the ghetto
and in the end nothing has changed
terse oar
Overwatch was kinda necessary but at the same time bad
Like the symbolism it had was good, but some of their actions were controversial
proud pike
offtop, but I understand Reyes. OW's Golden years were when Reyes was in charge of everything.
terse oar
Reyes gave up leadership because he didn’t want to be in the spotlight
And Jack was more motivating so to speak
proud pike
and then comes some noname and starts to displace you from power.
And Jack was more motivating so to speak
@terse oar still, Reyes was a realist, and Jack was just a good liar. (For me)
proud pike
the only thing I don't support is Reyes joining the Claw. Ordinary people are not to blame for the decline of the organization
terse oar
Overwatch declined due to speculation of foul acts such as corruption and human right violations
Ordinary people aren’t really to blame, rather the lack of organization in Overwatch
And you know... Retribution
peak escarp
OW's Golden years were when Reyes was in charge of everything.
@proud pike Reyes was only in charge during the Omnic Crisis
hard sinew
You deleted that fast lmaoo
worthy rose
offtop, but I understand Reyes. OW's Golden years were when Reyes was in charge of everything.
@proud pike This is the one I was agreeing with
@hard sinew Deleted it because I made a mistake lol
hard sinew
Intriguing
peak escarp
Reyes was a great agent, but not as good a leader as Jack was
worthy rose
Reyes was better assassin and Soldier was slightly better at being a military leader
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
Overall Reyes is smarter
peak escarp
so they were assigned positions according to their skills - Jack was made Strike Commander of Overwatch (the military part) and Reyes was made Commander of Blackwatch (the assassin part)
they were happy with this arrangement
worthy rose
Yeah because it relieved Reyes from responsibilities iirc
peak escarp
yes
he didn't want to deal with the red tape
it was a smart choice on his part
but he was also able to do what he did because Jack was an enabler
he covered for Reyes a little too often
gusty sluice
I had a feeling that Morrison is overrated to a reason in a perspective of someone who lived during the Overwatch era?
peak escarp
possibly
worthy rose
Eh I don't think Reyes did many bad things.Sure he killed Antonio but he was gonna escape even if he was captured
worthy rose
But killing is part of the job.They killed a bunch of security soldiers In Antonio's building and they didn't get blamed for it
peak escarp
they did get blamed for it
the media called it an Overwatch attack on a prominent person
worthy rose
Media is dumb af they should be THANKING Reyes now that the terrible man is dead
peak escarp
as far as the public knew, it was an unprompted attack against an Italian businessman
worthy rose
Also they are assassins they are suppose to kill
clear nest
They were told not to kill Antonio though, weren’t they?
peak escarp
they are supposed to kill the people they have the authority to kill
they didnt have the authority to even kidnap him, but Jack turned a blind eye
worthy rose
Yeah that makes sense
Still though If I was the public I wouldn't be angry at Reyes for what he did
peak escarp
well that's you
worthy rose
I mean the guy deserves it
terse oar
In the public’s eyes, Antonio was just a business man
They didn’t know he was part of Talon
peak escarp
and frankly, that's a bit distressing
worthy rose
What is?
peak escarp
that you think he deserved it
young knoll
how so?
terse oar
Lol
peak escarp
I don't think anyone deserves to be killed, no matter how horrible they are
peak escarp
both
criminals should be rehabilitated, or if that isn't possible, removed from society - but they still have a right to live
young knoll
what makes you think so?
young knoll
that is a bit of a moral judgement I think, saying that decent people would not view it differently
where are you deriving this judgement?
peak escarp
of course it's a moral judgment
young knoll
from what standpoint
peak escarp
mine
young knoll
so it is self derived?
peak escarp
and the dominant moral standpoint of my community and my country, which abolished the death penalty in 1976
worthy rose
Death penalty still exists
terse oar
France 
peak escarp
not in Canada
young knoll
not where she lives
young knoll
France, Canada, same thing
peak escarp
the moral consensus in most of the civilized world is that killing people is wrong, and people have a right to live
young knoll
ah, using the majority to argue the point
"civilized world" too
hmm, I wonder if their is a good poll for this
wait, this is getting off topic
there*
swift mason
Would killing Omnics be the same as killing humans?
worthy rose
Yes
young knoll
in Ow, yes
terse oar
Yes
swift mason
So basically with the reformed overwatch, they are already killing thousands if thats the case, because null sector classify as omnics
The moral situation is getting confusing
young knoll
well, only confusing if you subscribe to doc's point
terse oar
However, then you got Retribution...
swift mason
But if we were to go by Doc's moral standpoint, 'everyone has a right to live'
unreal tartan
It’s really not that difficult
swift mason
This is getting confusiong
swift mason
Yeah ur right
unreal tartan
Everyone has a right to live, and if people are trying to revoke others rights you stop them
lament prawn
the basic null sector bots dont seem to have complex personalities, they're probably like bastion in that there could be something deep down, but they are primarily programmed to kill and have thousands of clones running the same programming
peak escarp
in Zero Hour, Overwatch are not the agressors
in Retribution, Blackwatch was the agressor
terse oar
We’ve seen how some Talon soldiers are there because they need to be (Baptiste)
So Retribution is very morally confusing...
young knoll
depends on your point of view
unreal tartan
That’s the function blackwatch serves in the story, to make overwatch a moral conundrum
lament prawn
baptiste was an exception. you're not meant to go on an overwatch 2 mission shooting talon agents and think "what if these are good people", the story is simplifying them as good vs. bad, there's hardly any morally grey zone
naive iris
k
unreal tartan
Oops, you were talking about talon
swift mason
Is it me or have we had a discussion similar to this before
terse oar
Lol
lament prawn
many times
peak escarp
pretty sure we have
terse oar
Probably
peak escarp
we repeat a lot of topics
terse oar
I remember one about consciousness and what is classified as “alive” with omnics
swift mason
I remember one about Roadhog and soldier
terse oar
We tend to stray away towards existential and moral arguments 
swift mason
Well then lets change the topic shall we
lament prawn
gladly
unreal tartan
I think that’s a sign of good stories 😂
swift mason
I'd say that there are approx. 5 days until new tracer comic comes out
peak escarp
certain people here get hung up on moral topics too often
unreal tartan
Or bad ones 🤷♂️
What are the odds we ever get another mecha squad member as a hero?
peak escarp
low
swift mason
I'd say 20%
peak escarp
but I think we'll at least see them again, even if they're never playable
swift mason
I reckon we'll see Daehyun again as an NPC for OW2
peak escarp
I want to know more about Casino's connection to Monaco (and possibly Maximilien)
- Monaco is home to the Monaco Grand Prix, one of the top F1 races
- Casino's mecha is called La Princesse Sereine; the royalty of Monaco are styled as "Your Serene Highness"
swift mason
There have been theories suggesting that Casino is working as a sort of spy for talon
peak escarp
I think Maximilien might be one of his sponsors
swift mason
Makes sense
peak escarp
not completely sold on a Talon connection, but a Max connection sure
swift mason
Because Max owns a big casino
unreal tartan
Where did we hear about Casino?
peak escarp
a casino in Monaco
swift mason
exactly
peak escarp
D.Va also has close ties to the rest of her squad, who include her former main esports rival Kyung-soo (“King”) and one of her former clanmates, tough and protective Yuna (“D.mon”). The other two members are the squad’s maknae, Seung-hwa (“Overlord”) and the flashy Jae-Eun (“Casino”, a former racing driver). Finally, there’s their commanding officer, Captain Myung (who you hear over the comms in the MEKA base part of the Busan map).
and the name of his mech comes from a Chu tweet
swift mason
I liked that short, but Honor and glory is by Far my favourite
peak escarp
the fandom likes to make D.Mon as D.Va's rival, but she'd be more like a big sister to her
the real rivalry is between D.Va and King
swift mason
E-sports rival, makes sense
Can I just say that the naming for D.va and D.mon is very clever by blizzard
peak escarp
their whole esports team probably has names like that
stuff like D.struction, or D.nial
swift mason
N.rage? That sound like a good one
peak escarp
nah, has to start with D
peak escarp
also I still think Overlord is a Starcraft player
swift mason
He is the youngest of the pilots, I reckon that's likely, he wouldn't be a fancy race car driver like Casino
unreal tartan
D.giorno 😂
Off topic, just thought it was funny
Well nascar drivers tend to start at a rather young age, so it’s not impossible
peak escarp
Overlord is a Zerg unit
a Mastermind is a specific type of Overlord
Overlord's mecha is named Mastermind
unreal tartan
Is your brain just one giant graph database?
peak escarp
also King's mecha is called 신기전 (Singijeon), which is a type of war machine from ancient Korea
which makes me think he is probably a history/warfare nerd
swift mason
You really do know every little detail huh?
unreal tartan
Perhaps a historical RTS game?
peak escarp
(I have the wiki bookmarked, and I answer questions a lot)
D.Va's mech is named Tokki, which is Korean for bunny
swift mason
Do you think for halloween (or easter) Hana dresses up as a bunny?
then D.mon dresses up as a demon
peak escarp
terse oar
Doctor_Six is our personal Overwatch Wikipedia
swift mason
She knows all the ins & outs of overwatch lore
peak escarp
it is a passion of mine
if you need a source for something in Overwatch, I can find it in seconds
swift mason
I'm quite passionate myself, but I definitely can't compare my knowledge to yours, I'm like an entreè compared to Doc's 3 course meal buffet
hard sinew
Ah kk ty
fringe blade
I think that experience speaks the most
She's probably answered every question there's been to answer in the past
proud pike
Perhaps this has already been explained, but then a question arose. How does Mercy's amplification technology work?
proud pike
thx cap
limpid agate
To expand on that
The only tech we have seen that is some form of damage amplification in game is Orisa's supercharger
And it doesn't amplify damage. It just invigorates people's spirit.
That is to say, its inspiring rather than powerful.
Everything else is either absent (Nanoboost, Damage Amplification, Amplification Matrix) or explicitly non-canon (Discord)
proud pike
And it doesn't amplify damage. It just invigorates people's spirit.
@limpid agate technically this thing is like.... pervitin chocolate?
limpid agate
What
proud pike
I mean Orisa's supercharger
limpid agate
Don't explain what pervitin is. I know what it is. I don't understand your question.
proud pike
Well, I mean, how else can her supercharger lift the spirit without affecting the psyche?
limpid agate
proud pike
Okay, let's say it's a huge Boombox
limpid agate
Based on how it was described in the novel
It is the same as Lucio's passive crossfade.
In that, it has no literal effects. People just feel at ease listening to it rather than bullets and chaos.
proud pike
Based on how it was described in the novel
@limpid agate
I haven't read it, there's no Russian translation yet
Anyway, thx
hot heart
Are Ana and Rein a couple?
iron plume
They're not. Before her "death" Ana had a husband, and after it Rein doesn't know she's still alive yet
iron plume
There's not much about him
cerulean ice
sam
iron plume
his name is Sam and he's a First Nations Canadian civil servant
cerulean ice
..
hot heart
proud pike
iron plume
she was a full on non-healing sniper back in her Overwatch days
cerulean ice
she was basically widowmaker post ow shutdown
iron plume
in skills, yes
though I wouldn't compare them otherwise
peak escarp
Orisa activated the supercharger, and the beat pulsed through them. It was intense, and within seconds, Efi could feel it in her chest, like a new, stronger heartbeat. The heartbeat of a hero. “Woo, you feel that?” Lúcio started bobbing his head. “Orisa, amp it up!” Orisa complied and the beat grew louder. Adrenaline flowed through Efi, and she suddenly felt like she could scale the rhino statue in front of them in three seconds flat. She felt like she could punch a hole in the sky. She felt like she could dance forever.
cerulean ice
we talking abt dmg boosting?
actually i think its more of an adrenaline rush
i forgot to say that earlier
hushed jetty
So the "damage boosting" is really just. Hype?
cerulean ice
adrenaline rush
peak escarp
it's probably some kind of sub-sonic pulse that triggers an adrenaline release
for examples of people being stronger when influenced by adrenaline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysterical_strength
crimson igloo
Oh wow that’s crazy I never even thought of what dmg boost actually was
worthy rose
Which hero is your least favorite?
peak escarp
it's hard to pick
worthy rose
For me its Winston
peak escarp
probably Tracer, she's pretty annoying
hushed jetty
i don't like mercy. i don't have a particular reason... i'm just biased ig
hard sinew
Lore wise nobody because idk much about it but game wise mei
worthy rose
Yeah I agree Tracer is annoying like in Trace and Bake like ugh go away Tracer
peak escarp
also yeah I get that she's basically the main character, but I'm just not that interested in her story
other characters have far more interesting stories, like the Soldier/Ana/Reaper side plot, or what McCree is up to, or anything Sombra does
valid terrace
My least favorite gameplay aside is probably Ashe
She comes off as a brat in her middle-ages and her voice is a bit grating
But I don't dislike her, I just prefer other characters in-universe
hard sinew
I really want more zarya/sombra lore
worthy rose
Tracer is very boring they should make the new main characters like Soldier or something not Trasher and the stupid monkey
Also yeah we need more Sombra lore
young knoll
pretty sure Tracer is more of a plot device rn than a character
she isn't meant to be interesting, we view the story happening because she is there
cosmic crest
I like Tracer, but she can definitely be annoying. She's the sort of person I could never be friends with irl. I also think she's not very deep in terms of character, hopefully the new comic series will alleviate that.
cosmic crest
It's good to be optimistic, but sometimes life can really suck and the last thing I'd want when that happens is someone being overly optimistic, speaking from experience here.
worthy rose
True life always sucks
young knoll
depends on perspective. personally, I like optimistic people because my pessimism grates on them, and I like turning them to my side
unfortunately, a few I have hung out with have tried a similar thing
I dread the day one succeeds
worthy rose
Oh yes I hate it when people try to make me optimistic and call me a pessimist.Like ugh Im a realist not a pessimist
young knoll
well technically seeing things as negative or positive is pessimistic or optimistic
you are being a realist if you ascribe no positive or negative values to the reality
often pessimists are in fact ascribing negative attributes
worthy rose
I guess but Its better to be a pessimist with low expectation since if something goes well I'll feel alot better
young knoll
perhaps
worthy rose
Also I agree I fear one day someone will convince me too become optimistic and have super high expectations in life
peak escarp
pessimism seems tiring
young knoll
I have always seen optimism the same way
peak escarp
you can be optimistic without being happy and energetic
young knoll
and you can be pessimistic without it being tiring, but that doesn't stop me from wondering why people are optimistic
peak escarp
idk, I'd just rather assume the best than assume the worst
young knoll
and that is something that I literally cannot imagine ever doing
the concept is foreign
worthy rose
I cannot either probrably why I relate to Reaper