but ended not coming to game
#lore-discussion
arctic loom
lime flax
Soldier also has a small pistol on his side but never uses it
peak escarp
it's not like Widow's Kiss or Viper or Peacekeeper - those are names that aren't what they do
lime flax
I think some things are just there for flair
peak escarp
except Peacekeeper I guess, but that applies more to McCree than the gun
peak escarp
do you name your shoes?
lime flax
Canonically we haven't seen them referred to as anything else but skates
If lucio wanted to name it later on he could
but right now he doesn't
worthy rose
Yeah like supreme
peak escarp
they're just skates
maybe they have a brand, but if they do it's never been mentioned
they probably aren't even unique to him - they're probably something anyone could buy
worthy rose
So like everyone can skate on walls?
clear nest
do we know what lucio stole from Vishkar?
young knoll
my point being that whoever actually made the things wasn't going to just call it "skates", there is going to be something else it is called. also that would be cool if anyone can do it
peak escarp
“Lúcio Correia dos Santos at your service. You must be Efi,” he said, skates moving backward and forward, like he was effortlessly treading water on cement. The skates seemed so much larger in person, big blue and green haunches that ran from his hips to his feet, the hard-light energy buzzing so intensely that Efi could feel it vibrating through the heels of her boots.
young knoll
it would also be really useful for soldiers
this is an injustice, we need to name them like we named Hector
peak escarp
young knoll
oh no, I got the disappointed Moira
lime flax
It's relatively unimportant
It'd be like trying to get the name of Mei's pajamas
sure they probably have a brand but it's like, not an issue
cosmic crest
You're still talking about this? Jesus Christ.
It would be a fine lore bit if they had a brand name but it's not overly necessary that they do.
terse oar
Lucio’s skates are one of a kind though aren’t they? Or is the sonic technology just the gun
If his skates are one of a kind, there’s no need for a brand name
peak escarp
the sonic tech is just the gun
lime flax
His skates don't emit sonic technology
The skates are probably just for sports and he's use to them cuz he played hockey
If they are for sports I can see them being Meteor brand but that's just what-if
peak escarp
giving something a new name makes sense if it's something that doesn't exist, but aside from the hard-light, skates exist
lime flax
I don't think gravity defying skates exist today but yeah
worthy rose
It probrably will not exist for a really long time
lime flax
That's what is so great about a futuristic setting
Things don't always have to make sense
worthy rose
Thats only bad for the soldiers fighting I think the citizens are fine
lime flax
Oh absolutely not
30 million kids were orphaned
3 of them are heroes
Mercy, Sombra, and Bap
worthy rose
Yeah I guess the real world is better
lime flax
We're in the longest record of peace
Mostly due to the overlooming threat of total nuclear annihilation but at least we can play Overwatch
lime flax
Sure but that's starting to get off topic
timber gate
Bruh
OW world is horrible
Literally g*nocide of the human race by robots who are essentially unstoppable
No thank
peak escarp
omnics didn't commit genocide against humans
they waged war, and were stopped by Overwatch
and now they live in relative peace
hushed jetty
That's pretty much what I was expecting, but it's very cool that we have an official date for news now
peak escarp
there's still a possibility of hearing something before that
that's just the very latest we'll get news
arctic loom
well going take a while...
but year is almost over anyway
im just hope the game release on 2021
peak escarp
it probably will
limpid agate
@arctic loom In this case, their source is Blizzard's website. But for future reference, I wouldn't rely on Naeri as a news source.
peak escarp
at Blizzcon 2019 they said they would have more news at Blizzcon 2020
so even if Overwatch isn't mentioned, we can assume it will be showcased there
fringe blade
I've never really relied on her as a news source tbh
Never had any reason to either
peak escarp
good, she's not a reliable source
terse oar
I know we like talking about small interactions, so I thought I’d mention there are new karaoke lines for Ashe, Baptiste, and Widow 🙂
hushed jetty
Baptiste is struggling hahah
terse oar
“I’m sorry, I don’t sing... can I dance instead?”
cerulean ice
bap is so cute
worthy rose
I’ve officially been convinced to play only baptiste on support and only Ashe on dps
“When I catch Mcree... Which I Guarantee... you’ll see how he regrets crossing me”
That basically means she’s still pissed
Also I just realized that the skin baptiste received in summer was based on his clothing in “what you left behind”
limpid agate
Yup
terse oar
Most casual/normal clothing skins are based off a story or short
Only exceptions I can think of is Ana’s Cabana and Pharah’s Aviator (if that even counts)
worthy rose
That means we have the only 3 baptiste skins that has some lore for him
terse oar
I assume the other two are Talon and Combat Medic?
worthy rose
Correct
supple shard
Im making ex-null sector hero
This hero was created in the Omnium in the USA
Due to his kind being mistreated due to the Omnic Crisis
He decides to join the cause of Null Sector
He decides to wear gear as a pyromaniac.
supple shard
Ok
peak escarp
it's Hanzo
cerulean ice
ah
dapper patrol
hero you can use anyone
dapper patrol
or at least most hero
peak escarp
for the hero missions yes
dapper patrol
for story i think it is limited pool
peak escarp
for story missions, you'll be restricted to the heroes involved in that mission
dapper patrol
not sure if multiplayer is available
peak escarp
it'll be 4-player missions
dapper patrol
but for some reason some sample footage is 3 player so i wonder
maybe there is different size for different missions in story mode
also not sure how the lootbox works in mission
peak escarp
there's a lot we still don't know
limpid agate
Hero Missions are similar to all heroes mode
Except the objectives will be more dynamic
dapper patrol
yes, and i hope they keep the bug in it
i like the bug they ahve where rein can magically create bicycles
it does not affect game play but is so lovely
worthy rose
In terms of lore has Hanzo replaced his scatter with storm arrow
dapper patrol
he may have both
worthy rose
Also Torb and his lvl 3 turret
dapper patrol
in story/hro mode you can have different skills
worthy rose
Wdym?
dapper patrol
so you level up and you can sepc differently for different mission
worthy rose
For OW2?
dapper patrol
yes you can choose to equip different skills in story/hero mode in ow2
peak escarp
and we're getting around 12-15 more
peak escarp
they showed 5 maps
worthy rose
Which are?
peak escarp
but Jeff said they plan to add as many maps as the basegame had
peak escarp
there was an India map that didn't get a name
but we saw glimpses of it in the gameplay trailer
and concept art during panels
limpid agate
Could be.
peak escarp
that's likely
limpid agate
It can also be Hyderabad.
worthy rose
Could be a temple place
worthy rose
Oh alright
fringe blade
I am still hoping that my idea of an abandoned lab/watchpoint in the jungle pans out
I would love some sort of jungle map
limpid agate
Ayutthaya is in the jungle iirc
worthy rose
Id*
fringe blade
With like overgrown platforms and entrances etc.
limpid agate
Overgrown you say
worthy rose
Lmfao
fringe blade
I just have this image in my head, and its kinda hard to put into words
I dunno if that ever happens to any of you
limpid agate
You gotta remember that it still needs to be constrained by buildings and cliffs.
worthy rose
Oh
worthy rose
There’s so many places to put maps in
fringe blade
I also like the idea of a map located in some sort of remote skiing village in the snow
In the darkness of the night, with shops and fairy lights and such
fringe blade
No
worthy rose
Ecopoint is also completely frozen
peak escarp
winter Nepal is nice
fringe blade
Nepal is similar in theme, I suppose
But its not what I mean
Like, pushing the payload through the streets of an Austrian skiing resort/village or something
worthy rose
I’d like to see New York be a map
fringe blade
I am honestly just kinda tired of generic 'city maps', y'know?
worthy rose
Looks perfect for an escort map
fringe blade
Maybe I am crazy, but quite a few of the recent maps (and upcoming maps too) seem to have a very similar feel
fringe blade
Rialto, Havana, Paris and (Gothenburg?) all feel quite similar to me, at least in style and theme
worthy rose
Or like there being minimal place for them to go
fringe blade
I want more unique maps, y'know?
peak escarp
Rialto, Havana, Paris and (Gothenburg?) all feel quite similar to me, at least in style and theme
@fringe blade because they're all old European cities (or have old European architecture)
fringe blade
Though as Doc said, system capabilities are an issue
Yea, that's probably what it is
They all have the 'old European' feel to them
peak escarp
Venice
worthy rose
Necropolis?, Anubis?
peak escarp
(Rialto)
peak escarp
yes
fringe blade
Honestly, I really do hope that we get to see the Gwishin Omnium
Would hit two birds with one stone
A. a functioning/recently functioning omnium B. map in the middle of the ocean
peak escarp
it's where the Gwishin are made
fringe blade
No, I am talking about the omnium located in the East China Sea
worthy rose
Oh
peak escarp
it would make a nice underwater map
fringe blade
It would make an idea underwater map
Underwater maps are a very popular thing in the community AFAIK
worthy rose
I’m assuming that’s where colossus is made too
fringe blade
I don't believe the location of the omnium is known, right?
Except for the general area
peak escarp
they could do like they did with Horizon - have the majority of the map inside the omnium, and have flanking routes that go out into the water (and have low gravity)
fringe blade
That would be cool
peak escarp
it's somewhere in the East China Sea
fringe blade
But I hope that it at least differs from no-gravity a little bit
Maybe, instead of giving you a jump boost and slow fall, you could get some sort of reduced jump?
Maybe even some sort of view disturbance, like the water being blurry or something
fringe blade
I don't see why a city map makes more sense
dapper patrol
cause of story telling and world building
you have more info of a world, in a setting that matters
we all know cities are more important to an area than a lil run down village usually
limpid agate
Gameplay wise, you need boundaries and structure
dapper patrol
That too, and buildings and artificial structure are more obvious boundaries.
also towns and cities allows for placement of signs and other human made objects for story telling.
and also reuse of resources
cerulean ice
symmetra redemption can be a thing
cosmic crest
She doesn't really have anything to be redeemed from, she's not a bad person.
cerulean ice
i just thought redemption meant changing into a new character or something
a side arc would be cool
swift mason
I feel like it would more have to do with her realising vishkar’s horrible deeds and understanding how lucio had felt
So her supposed arc would be for her to free herself from the shackles of Vishkar
Maybe with some help too
woven cedar
lore snowflakes
terse oar
Jungle, Underwater, Airborne map
I’ve always suggested the Gwishin Omnium or EcoPoint: Galapagos for an underwater map. The Rio mission is kind of an airborne map as you’re in a Null Sector ship
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
terse oar
Overwatch lore is good, but somewhat somewhat unexplainable in most cases
worthy rose
I personally like what you left behind the most
terse oar
We mainly have to infer or theorize certain things
peak escarp
they leave out a lot of details sure, but I find those are generally either things that don't need explaining or major plot points that will be saved for a big reveal
proud dust
Hanzo and sym
vernal smelt
Does sombra have any prosthetics?
peak escarp
she has a computer implanted into her spine
vernal smelt
So like she has access to every software interface in the world
peak escarp
yep
cosmic crest
Sombra is a cyborg if that is what you mean.
clear nest
man sombra is brave af to get a computer implanted into her spine
fringe blade
Not really brave
She's very motivated to be the best
And having a computer implanted into your spine gives you that extra edge over your enemies/competition
swift maple
gamers in 2070
clear nest
Dunno if this belongs here or in #overwatch, but I don’t get why people think Tracer being gay is fine but Soldier being gay is stupid and unnecessary
peak escarp
because people claim it was "sudden" and "forced" and "pandering"
hard sinew
Also people will fetishize lesbians and then be homophobic same with girls wanting gay male friends and saying lesbians are disgusting ect
cosmic crest
In Soldier's case I don't think it was worked into the story as well as with Tracer but it's nothing worth getting that worked up about.
hard sinew
Mhm
limpid agate
Tracer was revealed naturally in a Christmas comic where she is getting a gift for her girlfriend
Soldier was revealed in a way that would be just as weird if Vincent was a girl. Looking at a photo of a relationship from 30+ years ago.
cosmic crest
If you removed the part with Vincent not much would change.
If you removed the part with Emily the whole story collapses.
hard sinew
What'd you mean the whole story collapses?
limpid agate
The other named partners are all important
Ingrid, Sam, Gerard
But Vincent could not exist and the story wouldn't change
He isn't important or worth mentioning
He was only brought up to show Jack was gay. The others do more than just reveal sexuality
cosmic crest
The plot of Reflections was Tracer getting a scarf for her partner, there would be no plot if you removed Emily
hard sinew
Kk ty
terse oar
Wait which ones Gerard
cosmic crest
Widowmaker's husband
terse oar
Oh right
valid terrace
she could have shopped for Winston
peak escarp
tbh when I first read the comic, I thought she was buying the scarf for Winston, but when Emily opened it and loved it Tracer couldn't just say "that's not for you"
worthy rose
Who’s Sam and Ingrid
peak escarp
Sam is Pharah's father and Ana's ex husband
Ingrid is Brigitte's mother and Torbjorn's wife
worthy rose
Oh I remember now
iron grotto
peak escarp
worthy rose
Does Mauga actually like consider baptiste a friend
Like one second he goes all kind and stuff and then the next second they go to the pier and he tries to kill him
peak escarp
it's hard to say
Mauga is loyal to Talon
he probably feels like Baptiste betrayed him too
worthy rose
Well it’s sorta obvious
So basically they are enemies and somewhat friends?
Cause they used to be inseparable until baptiste left talon
And now that talon is after baptiste probably wanting him dead he was trying to give him a chance to not being chased around
“I let you get away at the pier once, you know I can’t do it a second time”- Mauga
But maybe their relationship would have been better if baptiste actually wrote to him
weary owl
Baptiste has interesting lore
worthy rose
He does
weary owl
Sombra lore is my fav tho
worthy rose
I mean there’s some sombra lore in baptiste lore
We know they are friends
I’m pretty sure that’s all to it
Baptiste might know about sombra’s “Grand Plan”
But there’s no way to know
weary owl
Pffft you would think an elite hacker who has the power to blackmail the most powerful women of russia is gonna let someone she uses to work with steal her plans?
worthy rose
Considering they’re friends I doubt baptiste would do anything like that
weary owl
I mean if its just by memory
worthy rose
Even if he did, sombra would probably just tell talon where baptiste is
weary owl
Yeah probaly
Sombra feels like the smartest most fitting to run talon
I mean her talon skin has a manager type vibe to it
So maybe she could be higher up in talon then most others
worthy rose
Considering what she can do there’s no doubt about it
weary owl
Sad shes the one with the biggest brain in there
clear nest
wouldn’t Moira be the smartest member of talon?
peak escarp
I'd think Maximilien is, since omnics are connected to the internet and can download any information instaneously
worthy rose
They are all smart in different ways
young knoll
surely omnics have some limits
peak escarp
probably limited storage space or download speed
young knoll
plus they have got to be based off of human minds so the more common ones likely can't all be "geniuses"
maybe Anubis or programs like it
worthy rose
Technically tho she can hack into anything
peak escarp
Orisa has shown that access to information doesn't necessarily mean you know what to do with it
data is useless without context
young knoll
they have the ability to get context, however
how was her learning portrayed in the novel?
was it rapid?
human like?
peak escarp
sometimes too rapid
a particular example from the novel was when she was helping out in a shop
at first she helped too aggressively, then she was too passive and aloof, and she ended up kinda ruining things without really figuring out what she should be doing
peak escarp
it seemed less like human learning and more like computer learning
valid terrace
It’s basically like having google in the 19th century
peak escarp
very literal, and worked within set parameters
valid terrace
You’d have access to information but that’s about it
peak escarp
when she met a circumstance outside those parameters, she didn't know how to handle it
young knoll
then they would literally never be human level if it was like that
computer learning is ass
peak escarp
this is Orisa specifically
young knoll
well, I suppose so
valid terrace
The OR models never really seemed too bright anyway
I don’t think they even had personalities or thoughts until Orisa
Just programming
peak escarp
yes
cerulean ice
some do not consider them as one
peak escarp
Efi was trying to get Orisa to act more human, to be a helpful member of the community
because the OR15s weren't members of the community, they were just cold machines
young knoll
so is it the case that not all omnics are people?
peak escarp
omnics are meant to be considered people
young knoll
or are OR15s not omnics
peak escarp
OR15s are omnics
young knoll
so then they had to have thoughts and personalities, Moscimer
or at least thoughts
personalities might not strictly be necessary I suppose
though I am not sure how you would tell the difference between thoughts and programming without a personality
lament prawn
null sector are omnics too
peak escarp
I'd point out that thoughts and programming aren't that different, but we've done that argument so many times
lament prawn
we dont know the details, but its clear that null sector bots are meant to look like simple clones of each other with little to no personality
young knoll
yes we have, but since in this story the omnics being people is important, the distinction is useful
clear nest
giving battle robots emotions and a personality might not be the best idea
unless the OR15 were just defenders of Numbani
lament prawn
could be that all the null sector bots and OR15s have the bastion treatment
young knoll
where they are primitive?
peak escarp
not to get things too real in here, but Efi's complaint that the OR15 didn't care for the community is much like how modern police don't respect the cultures and practices of the communities they police
lament prawn
hard programmed instructions, but a heart underneath
peak escarp
she wanted to make a defender for the city who knew their customs and culture and would be a member of the community
young knoll
that is not true. it isn't like the police are bussed in from nowhere. the police are from the community.
lament prawn
very unlikely we’ll see the bastion arc again though
young knoll
in large part
lament prawn
i think its rather the part about the OR15s going for the target without worrying about collateral damage or who they hurt in the process
young knoll
that would be a problem
lament prawn
unlike orisa with her personality module/heart
peak escarp
Efi hated to say it, but the OR15s had that “straight out of the box” attitude, more focused on catching criminals than they were on integrating into the community. If Efi could have a crack at their programming, she’d make changes so they could fully serve and protect the citizens of Numbani. The OR15s could be the type of heroes that were just as eager to assist the elderly as they were to nullify terrorists. Just as comfortable reading library books to kids as they were battling Talon agents.
(deleted that first quote, it wasn't referring to an OR15, just a random robot)
lament prawn
what? i thought the robot she was referring to was an OR15, no?
peak escarp
the robot knocking someone over was fleeing from the chaos at the airport
lament prawn
can you post the quote again
i thought it said the civillian was fleeing, not the robot
peak escarp
although it does show Efi's thoughts
More reinforcements cut through the panicked travelers who were still looking to escape. One robot’s arm clipped a woman as she fled, knocking her to her knees. The robot didn’t care. Didn’t even look back to see the harm it had caused.
oh you're right
I didn't look at the sentence before it
lament prawn
ah okay
peak escarp
Orisa spending most of the book struggling with social interactions could just be a product of her programming (and Efi's own shortcomings when programming it)
other omnics could have better social programming
worthy rose
Poor sigma
No one responds to his interaction voice lines
Everyone just ignores him
Felt that
Sigma has interactions?
peak escarp
they will eventually
valid verge
im new to overwatch lore, can somebody give me the quickest run down of all time
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
valid verge
thank you!!!
swift mason
But not as regular as doc
peak escarp
yeah
swift mason
That short story is my favourite
worthy rose
Same
peak escarp
it sets up some stuff that hasn't paid off yet
but it will probably bring Baptiste to cross paths with Overwatch
worthy rose
Wait so I’m assuming Baptiste will join Ow
Cause at the end I’m assuming he’s looking for Zeigler
Zeigler came back in zero hour
valid terrace
Question is whether they’ll let him
valid terrace
Probably, but I’m sure someone will take issue
peak escarp
I think enough of them believe in second chances that they'd be open to it
valid terrace
Yeah
peak escarp
and Mercy might remember him from Venezuela
worthy rose
Do they know he was a former talon soldier?
swift mason
I have one theory (probably not a good one but i'll let you decide) on how baptiste might end up with overwatch:
He's on the yacht at the end of the story right? and he's off to look for Mercy. What if he get's lost at sea and is caught in a storm and then shipwrecked on the rocky cliffs of Watchpoint: Gibraltar
worthy rose
I mean he should tell them imo
peak escarp
or it might come up when he tells them that Talon is hunting Overwatch agents
"how do you know?"
that could lead to an awkward conversation
worthy rose
He’d probably start with something casual and then go in and say he was a former talon soldier and he’s now on the run
swift mason
What if they pull a "liar revealed" story trope and Baptiste doesn't say anything at all until the gang encounter Mauga at some point and he exposes Baptiste's past
That wouldn't be good storytelling
peak escarp
eh, I always hated that trope
swift mason
Have you seen the movie Rango?
swift mason
Yes, you know how he's acting like a sheriff for that town? Then gets exposed for being a fake? That's basically the "liar revealed" trope
worthy rose
Ohhhh
swift mason
There are better examples out there though, that was the only one I could think of from the top of my head
worthy rose
Either way if they were to encounter mauga he probably wouldn’t mention bap unless he saw him
plucky geyser
Why r road hog and junkrat banned from junkertown ??
hard sinew
Pretty sure they stole a shit ton of gold jewelry ect from their but I'm bot sure
valid terrace
They did a bunch of stuff and were just a general nuisance
I think the Junkertown intro lists some things?
Lemme check
worthy rose
Nah they didn’t steal from junkertown
valid terrace
“Stealing the queen’s cash? Blowing up her summer shack? The beat down at the bar?”
worthy rose
But yeah they did steal the kings row crown or something
valid terrace
Yeah the Crown Jewels
worthy rose
Junkrat is probably one of the most interesting characters
Though hog is a mystery
We’ve never seen his face
Is there a reason for that?
valid terrace
It was likely damaged in the Omnium explosion
That’s why he needs the hogdrogen
It’s presumed he is of Maori decent based on his skins and name
worthy rose
So roadhogs’s face looks like a pig?
Cause there is like a poster or something that implies that I think
limpid agate
No
That poster is an artist's interpretation of what he looks like
Same with the Junkrat poster
Both are inaccurate.
worthy rose
Oh
worthy rose
Yeah but I’m curious on what his face looks like
So is it true Hanson has weak ankles
Hanzo*
dapper patrol
Yes
that was from the Lore Master himself back a few years ago in Blizzcon
There was a question on which parts of the heros are mechanical
radiant valley
what about soldiers legs
iron plume
no
iron plume
good for you
west forge
whos the richest hero
cerulean ice
ashe? lucio? mercy?
idk
maybe doomfist, and widow too
also dva
those 6 i can think of
cerulean ice
id say doomfist
limpid agate
Both were born into wealth, and actively run organizations that are making more money through crime.
young knoll
maybe this is a bit of a stretch, but since Ashe was actively participating in the robbery in the Reunion short, I don't think the gang is doing too hot at the moment
could be she just enjoys it
pseudo socket
terse oar
Si
cerulean ice
she isnt actively making money like doom or ashe
cosmic crest
Ashe is a known outlaw, I don't think she'd have inherited her family's fortune.
worthy rose
Isn't Maximillien the richest?
terse oar
Of every character, most likely
valid terrace
If you wanna look at it from a different approach Sombra could be seen as the richest
Not necessarily with the biggest bank account, but with the most access to funds
worthy rose
Out of the playable characters Probs Doom, Dva, Lucio
In terms of story Maybe Max, and Doom
And Dva and Lucio
young knoll
they at most have millions
doom could easily be a billionaire
or Max
though it is speculation of course
and Sombra could likely make quite a bit too with her skills
lament prawn
all it takes is hacking some accounts
and blackmail
but she's not after money, clearly
valid terrace
I feel Sombra could easily claim all the assets of a bank if she really wanted to
But that would be much higher profile than most of her previous actions
She likes being in the shadows
limpid agate
Overall, money isn't an object for most heroes
They either have money, can steal what they need, or are part of an organization with funding
The exception is Winston's Overwatch.
arctic loom
so about junkrat leg did he lost it in a explosion or something
or he always been like that?
valid terrace
We don’t have a canon explanation
But it’s likely
In HotS, they say something like that
west forge
Does orisa use windows or linux
young knoll
Linux is not buggy, it is the superior system
Omnics running on Linux would have superior customization
peak escarp
whatever system it is, it can be infected with a virus
toxic venture
I think the story is trash
Convince me
I love the game though but I don’t play for story and probably won’t get ow2 on release since ow1 gets all of the multiplayer updates
cosmic crest
@toxic venture Why are you here just to rag on the story?
limpid agate
There are better stories.
But there are worse stories too.
At worst, you can say Overwatch is average. At best you can say its good.
cosmic crest
Well it's largely a matter of opinion. He can hate it if he wants, I just don't understand why he'd come to this channel.
toxic venture
im not
i genuinely want to know why people like it
thats why i made sure to say that i like the game and are open to your opinions
don't twist my words
i want to like it too
terse oar
The main reason I like the lore is because of how detailed the characters are in game
It makes me want to lore more about them, like their personalities and history
Plus the cinematics and comics are pretty cool
limpid agate
The story itself is nothing special. Most of what makes Overwatch a huge hit is the characters.
It is 100% a character driven game.
terse oar
^
limpid agate
The shorts and comics hammer this hard too.
Dragons has minimal story relevance, but it is a big Genji/Hanzo cinematic
Reunion does have its story relevance, but you don't need to care about that to enjoy it or its characters
arctic loom
the interactions between the characters in game
is what make it special
to me
even after years all being suprised ana is alive
peak escarp
yeah, I agree
arctic loom
lol
limpid agate
Even among the shorts and comics, there are some that are praised by people who generally don't like Overwatch (Dragons, The Last Bastion, Reunion) and some that get a lot of flak within the community too (Hero, Shooting Star, Rise and Shine)
peak escarp
it's the characters that make the story good
even the NPCs
I need to know what happens to Iggy
limpid agate
At the end of it, its a character driven game, and its popularity is based on its characters. @toxic venture
peak escarp
I'm curious about Maximilien's hesitation in the OW2 gameplay trailer
wanting to know what happens to the characters next keeps me invested in the story
terse oar
I know this topic slightly passed, but here’s a cinematic analysis from an outsider point of view:
It’s of Dragons which, as Taiga mentioned, was highly praised by many people
fringe blade
Its kinda interesting that he shoots the robot with an electrical arrow, but knocks the rest of the guards out
Wouldn't an electrical arrow have a chance of killing the omnic?
worthy rose
Maximilien was in the OW2 gameplay trailer?
peak escarp
the electric arrow probably just short circuited the omnic
fringe blade
Though I don't really know how else you can 'disable' an omnic
You can't really hit it over the head
And I don't think Hanzo would hack an omnic
So I guess an electric shock is the only choice
peak escarp
we don't know if that would kill them
fringe blade
@worthy rose You could hear Max's voice during the Monte Carlo map presentation
worthy rose
I’ll be back when I hear it
peak escarp
and see the side of his face talking to Doomfist
fringe blade
That too
I still am hoping that they stray away from the idea of 'map cities' at least a little
We are getting 4 city maps at launch for sure already
Something exotic would be cool
worthy rose
Max says “I can’t do this”
peak escarp
yeah
worthy rose
Is he being forced to do something?
Is he being forced to do something?
Is he being forced to do something?
Is he being forced to do something?
Is he being forced to do something?
fringe blade
No need to say it 5 times
worthy rose
Srry
peak escarp
he seems to be having second thoughts about a war between omnics and humans
worthy rose
My phone was going mad for a sec
peak escarp
maybe he actually likes humans
they're pretty profitable for him
Max may not have a spine, but he might have a heart
fringe blade
Yea
That's my point
He needs humans to earn money
So killing out humans kills out his business
worthy rose
Doom says “you’ve made your choice” so he’s clearly forced to do something
fringe blade
No
fringe blade
I think that Max trying to part ways with Talon seems to be a likely option
He chose to join with them
worthy rose
Baptiste left talon saying “whoever escapes leaves in a coffin”
If max doesn’t obey, he might end up in a coffin
fringe blade
I hope that the role of 'escaped Talon agent teams up with Overwatch' is filled by Baptiste
Not max
fringe blade
Not different enough, in my opinion
Though I honestly don't know what they will do with Max's story going forward
peak escarp
Baptiste would join them, probably with Mercy to vouch for him
worthy rose
Max has already helped ow once
peak escarp
Max would go to them for protection, or let them arrest him
he has a record of being cooperative
fringe blade
Honestly, him being used as a sort of informant does seem like a likely thing to happen
Kinda how the FBI sometimes uses captured criminals to get information out of them in return providing them with immunity and protection
peak escarp
I'd say he could be a double agent, but he's too cowardly for that
fringe blade
Double agent for who
fringe blade
Its possible, but I am not sure how much Doomfist trusts Max
peak escarp
I don't think he does much
fringe blade
So I am not sure about how effective of a mole he would make
But he does probably know a lot about the way that Talon operates in general
Where their safehouses our, how they get their funds, their shipment locations, storage facilities, etc.
peak escarp
peak escarp
I think Doomfist knows (or at least suspects) that Max was the one to sell him out
fringe blade
I would agree with that
peak escarp
but maybe he values Max too much, or maybe he's just biding his time
or he wants Max to admit to it
fringe blade
Max probably makes quite a lot of money for Talon
He seems like a useful asset to have
worthy rose
Did Valkyrie come before storm rising
peak escarp
no
valid terrace
Didn't Max ask for a favor at the end of storm rising?
worthy rose
Then that means we’ve known about Soujourn before storm rising
“Soujourn’s laying low in Canada”
worthy rose
Oh
peak escarp
fringe blade
I swear, Doc works as a data processor full-time
young knoll
I have no idea what her job is but I imagine it is boring and involves a lot of data parsing and organizing
fringe blade
I mean, I'm not really judging whether its boring or not, but she is consistently good at making charts and such lol
peak escarp
it's retail
aka very boring and tedious, leaving me lots of time to think of stuff
I'd probably be good at data sorting
arctic loom
so are bap a bad one?
swift mason
He was from talon, but then realised his ways and turned away from them, now he's on the path of redepmtion
arctic loom
and mauga stayed probably?
peak escarp
yes
young knoll
Mauga enjoys it
fringe blade
Mauga is an interesting case
young knoll
he has a zest for life
arctic loom
does widow regret killing her husband?
arctic loom
yeah
terse oar
It’s been theorized her brainwashing is wearing off, as with the comic Doc said and her interaction with Ana
She snaps back with more emotion than normal, which she shouldn’t care about
fringe blade
I believe that Widow wants to feel something
Thus she tries to do this which might trigger her emotionally
Go to Gerard's grave, put up pictures around her family's mansion, etc.
hushed jetty
Speaking of Mauga, do we actually know if he's alright or not?
Because I know Baptiste thinks he's alive, and he probably is, but like
It was an explosion
hushed jetty
well yeah, not dead, but certainly injured
even a big guy like him isn't just getting out of an explosion without some big injuries
cerulean ice
bap did suspect he survived it
while it doesnt rlly confirm, he probably is still alive
limpid agate
They didn't confirm it, but they didn't have to
The general rule of thumb is, if we didn't see the death and its left ambiguous, they're alive.
Also, they confirmed that they are working on making him a hero again
Hard to be a hero when youre a corpse
cerulean ice
they wanted to make him playable so i assumed he'd still be alive
hushed jetty
Hard to be a hero when youre a corpse
unless, of course, you're genji :3
limpid agate
Genji never died
hushed jetty
joke 3:
cerulean ice
unless youre ana
limpid agate
Ana never died
cerulean ice
unless youre soldier
limpid agate
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
hushed jetty
):
limpid agate
There are people who genuinely believe that these things happened.
Even though they didn't.
Its best not to spread misinformation.
limpid agate
The only hero who was dead was Orisa. And that's a technicality
She was built from a destroyed Omnic, but her personality was first created by Efi after that happened
cerulean ice
she experiments on everything
cerulean ice
^
limpid agate
To look at his genetics.
cerulean ice
i think its if anyone wants her help
or want to get an upgrade. shes always free
probably
limpid agate
It is also speculated that she is responsible for genetically altering some of the Talon special units
Such as the Talon Assassin
But that is just speculation
cerulean ice
huh?
she is not involved in there
if youre referring to the interaction, she is either genuinely curious or
wants to bully mei
arctic loom
why did they freeze themself
lament prawn
they were running low on food and supplies, so they went into cryosleep, which was intended for a short time but it malfunctioned and lasted 9 years
cerulean ice
they were running low on food and supplies, so they went into cryosleep, which was intended for a short time but it malfunctioned and lasted 9 years
worthy rose
So no one else wants Reaper's power?It seems really useful
terse oar
It causes him agony
cerulean ice
thatd be lame if every talon agent has reaper powers
lament prawn
the cryo tanks slowly died one by one, but lucky for mei, winston’s emergency message activated her pod
cerulean ice
while it does seem useful, i dont think anyone really wants it
terse oar
Yes
arctic loom
right?
cerulean ice
well im sure she still performs missions for them anyways
even if it doesnt give her a benefit
terse oar
She don’t got anything better to do probably
worthy rose
Yeah I guess it would be lame if everyone had the power of Reaper
Searching
Where Zarya meets an omnic, they meet Alexandra and they find sombra
hushed jetty
Sombra's "friend" would be Katya Volskaya I guess
But that's just kinda blackmail
And the omnic is Lynx Seventeen
dapper patrol
Yes, and one thing to remember is that we are not sure if Sombra is actually lost to Zarya, or she is playing Zarya
since Sombra sees them coming miles away so to speak.
arctic loom
also
dapper patrol
I think the whole goal for Sombra to actually meet Zarya is to give Zarya the info she had on Alexa, deliberately
arctic loom
sombra was from group los muertos right?
dapper patrol
so she is playing it to deliver the info in a believable way
She was part of it yeah
and think still has connection and some weight in LM
and yes people does consider her a sort of hero
arctic loom
on dorado im presume
dapper patrol
yes, Sombra and the smarter players/fans help save the day
There is a reason why that skycode joke is in the sprays
and even that song in Zen's remote
limpid agate
@dapper patrol @arctic loom She worked with Los Muertos. She was not part of the gang.
dapper patrol
Well judging from LM sprays on the wall including Sombra's name and unlikely she would go out spraypaint walls.
I would say at least one sidedly some parts of LM treat Sombra as their own.
Sombra herself does not consider so likely as with her personality
terse oar
According to the official OW website:
dapper patrol
just remember though, the official site info is a semi-IN UNIVERSE thing, so not all things are true.
terse oar
“After _____ was taken in by Mexico’s Los Muertos gang, she aided it in its self styled revolution against the government.”
dapper patrol
like, example, Reaper's history
terse oar
I love how her name is blanked out
On the website
Reapers history is like that for new players I assume
Like the story on it isn’t wrong, it’s just not telling the full story
peak escarp
Soldier's is like that too
since Reaper and Soldier's identity was supposed to be a mystery
one that they immediately revealed when the Origins skins were shown
terse oar
It’s mainly for new players though
So I guess they want to keep that “mystery” for people browsing
peak escarp
yeah
people complained about them revealing Sombra's identity so soon, but it's not the first time they've done that
terse oar
I don’t know what Baptiste’s bio was like at his launch, but I think it was updated with WYLB
“Baptiste knew too much, and they sent operatives after him to silence him. Agent after agent came for him, including Baptiste's former comrades.”
peak escarp
no, that was always there
the first teaser we got for Baptiste was an internal memo from Talon that mentioned Baptiste's team going after them (his team isn't Nguyen and Mauga)
terse oar
Ah
peak escarp
Nguyen is actually the one who wrote the report
so a little while after Cpt. Cuerva and his squad went MIA going after Baptiste, they sent Nguyen and Mauga
terse oar
I wonder if we’ll see Nguyen in OW2...
peak escarp
(this intel also gives us an earliest possible date for Recall, since Recall can't have happened before February 21, since Nguyen catches up to Baptiste after that date, and Recall happened 3 days before Baptiste, Nguyen and Mauga attack Sainclair)
I've always figured that Recall happened in March, so it fits
dapper patrol
So so we should update your magical timeline chart then?
I remember there used to be one good chart
before blizz fuk with a few things retconning, like Mercy's age and stuff
Also what is the date you think for the new tracer comic
we know it is likely to be with weeks of mondetta's boomboom
terse oar
I think there already is an updated time line
peak escarp
Mercy's age wasn't changed that much
dapper patrol
couple years only yes
but make pharmercy a bit even more akward (even as jeff like it)
peak escarp
Pharamercy is already awkward, since they don't know each other and only met as kids
my timeline does account for my prediction of Recall happening in March
terse oar
The comics end a month before BlizzConline, I’m excited to what it could lead up to
I doubt it’d end on Mondatta’s death
peak escarp
I'm hoping we'll get to see the events of Alive in the comic (maybe issue 3-4) and then see a little bit of what happens after
dapper patrol
we know it is likely something afterwards that trigger reaper trying to infiltrate gabralta for info from Athena
Which indirectly actually onvince Wisnton to trigger Recall.
peak escarp
Recall happens before Alive
dapper patrol
yes but it is close enough in terms of timeline that Winston might be mentioned in the comic
peak escarp
probably
dapper patrol
afterwards, as in after whatever is brewing in Tracer's current comic, not after mondetta's death
terse oar
It will probably end with Recall, but also have some sort of big reveal
peak escarp
I think Tracer gets the recall message that day, then goes to Mondatta's rally in a great mood
dapper patrol
there should be a event of sort before the mondetta incident
peak escarp
only for Widowmaker to ruin it
dapper patrol
if you ask me better mondetta got shot than tracer :3
terse oar
Either way would have been big news, although Mondatta probably had more outburst
dapper patrol
well we know winston-tracer always be in contact, tracer need him to maintain her beepbeep
peak escarp
news of Mondatta's assassination does get brought up in other places
it's mentioned in the Orisa novel
dapper patrol
maybe even the conflict of omnic-human that happens and resolved BEFORE "alive" is actually the reason mondetta having that great confrerence
terse oar
That’s actually a good point
dapper patrol
so my guess is: stuff happen between hard liner omnic and what not, it gets resolved with help of tracer, mondetta helps with the peace and make a "happy after" conference appearance.
and he got spawncamped.
swift mason
Well the next tracer comic set to release in October will have mentions of Mondatta in it, and it might be alluding to the events of alive
dapper patrol
actually that makes the whole situation all the while even more sad for tracer. it is like how one day you go beat up a giant fire breathing turtle, and when you get to the back room a small mushroom guy flipping you off saying "haha princess in another castle" that vibe to tracer
swift mason
Except in this case its more to do with death
dapper patrol
well somewhere down the line of the comic mondetta will show up, he be countdown to his bullet
i am more interested in what the evil hardliner omnic is
thinking if it is the same predator omnic we have seen
peak escarp
maybe
dapper patrol
if so then null sector related?
dapper patrol
well we dont know who Kace is
though the name Kace does not sound like a big omnic boss character, not yet
It is like when the arch-villian is named fluffy
peak escarp
Kace sounds fine to me
hot heart
dapper patrol
no we are generally not naming main protag and antag after food stuff
i know it can work but generally not
just because someone named Carrot becomes one of the most important hero in our cultures does not mean it is a good name (or vegetable if you prefer him more)
Also even for him is is generally called Goku
peak escarp
there's nothing wrong with Kace
dapper patrol
I have a feeling that is not the predator, just daying.
Fine for a mid-boss antag though
peak escarp
we'll see in a few weeks
dapper patrol
indeed
It is more how the ow group name the boss character
I mean ashe is fine for a non antag boss and is cute (dont start me on not having an a at the end of name for a female)
peak escarp
what's wrong with female names having an a at the end?
dapper patrol
Blizz love it
peak escarp
a lot of female names have a at the end
dapper patrol
put an a at the end of female names
peak escarp
just, in general
dapper patrol
it is like blizzard female naming tradition almost
peak escarp
"a" is a feminine letter in most languages
dapper patrol
if you think of the whole ow crew most have a
It is not wrong, just an observation.
then again Brit does not end with a either :3
limpid agate
Its not a Blizzard thing. Its just how most female names are.
Look at Mortal Kombat for example.
peak escarp
my name also ends in A
limpid agate
Sonya, Kitana, Mileena, Sheeva, Kronika, Tanya, D'Vorah (the h is silent)
young knoll
probably some sort of remnant of Latin or something
limpid agate
Just for fun, there's also my username. Jewvia. Also Taiga.