I usually interpret strongest as who’s most likely to win in a fight
#lore-discussion
valid terrace
But we already know that Reaper > Soldier and at least in raw power Winston > Doomfist
Also Zarya beat Sombra technically and most of her hacking abilities are defensive or strategic in nature
still walrus
could someone not just take a vacuum cleaner to reaper
valid terrace
Potentially, yes
But that’s like saying anyone without a gas mask and or robotics could be hit with mustard gas
still walrus
i suppose
valid terrace
It’s not in another hero’s toolkit
I also think Sigma, Sym, and Orisa could have an argument for strongest
Basically Symmetra depending on how strong Sigma’s abilities actually are
cosmic crest
Sigma: Controls gravity. Pretty op.
Symmetra: Basically a green lantern, so understandable.
But Orisa? I wouldn't even consider her to be that strong relatively.
frosty shell
there is way too much discussion over which heroes are strongest
cosmic crest
According to who?
peak escarp
yeah, I see a thread about it almost weekly
limpid grail
Which hero does everyone think have the best lore? just wondering
iron plume
Sombra
arctic loom
makes me want know more about him
limpid grail
Hm i think baptiste’s is interesting
hard sinew
I warm learn more about Sombra but I haven't donee anything except each shorts
hard sinew
If u find out can u tell me?
arctic loom
yeah
peak escarp
she wants to blackmail Katya into doing what she wants
I think Reaper has the best lore, even though we don't have all the info
vocal minnow
Whats this channel all about?
vocal minnow
Oh ok
worthy rose
WE NEED IT
arctic loom
yeah... we going get it
on end of year or... mostly like
2021
also taiga do you expect come something about ow
on gamescom?
limpid agate
I expect something to come out at Chinajoy this week
limpid grail
Do we know the amount of new hero’s being added to OW2?
peak escarp
we have one confirmed, and the press were shown silhouettes of 4 more
limpid grail
Does anyone have a photo of the silhouettes?
limpid agate
We have never seen them
peak escarp
they were only described
One of the slides he brought up was for new heroes. The image contained four silhouettes, none were immediately recognizable as characters that were teased in earlier concept arts, comic books, or any of the art we've seen. From what I could make out, three of the forms were female. This is just a guess, mind you, as the garments they wore made it difficult to know for sure. The character I believed to be male held a crooked staff, looking somewhat like a wizard, warlock, or voodoo priest.
The hero that stood out the most, and I couldn't take my eyes off of, appeared to be a female with short hair. At her side and standing up to her knees was a fuzzy little critter with pointy ears and an equally pointy tail. It looked like a fennec fox, but with longer ears and a more aggressive stance. The hero of note wielded a giant four-sided weapon, which is somewhat similar to the shuriken used by Yuffie in Final Fantasy VII, but much thicker. At first glance, this weapon looks like it's used for melee purposes, but given Overwatch is a science-fiction universe, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of it being thrown like a boomerang or attached to some kind of chain (which I didn't see).
the author injects a lot of speculation into his description
I think it's notable that he didn't recognize them as any characters that have been seen before, but they could still be characters we've met before
or ones that were only described but never seen
limpid grail
Kinda cool but I feel like most of the new hero’s might be characters in the lore we already know . But just a guess
peak escarp
he also notes that these four are heroes "that will be coming to Overwatch 2, either when it launches or later down the line."
limpid grail
Nice
🏳️🌈
hard sinew
This guy😂
The reason he's gay is because he likes men@worthy rose
Is that a good enough answer for u
hard sinew
Oh idk
worthy rose
Ok
hard sinew
I just thought u had a problem with it😂
worthy rose
No
hard sinew
@peak escarp
worthy rose
@hard sinew
hard sinew
All I know is he had a husband they got a divorce or something like thay
swift mason
Nah not a husband, just boyfriend
flint magnet
My man didn’t know tracer was lesbian 
hard sinew
Oh OK ty
woeful path
swift mason
After overwatch shut down, she moved on to bigger things at Oasis, a city dedicated to science, and also picked up a job with talon along the way
iron plume
She left before the shutdown
grand wedge
Moira is actually wokring as the Minister of Genetics in Oasis
so her "official" lab is in Oasis. But she may have other more "secret" or Talon lab somewhere else
scenic stump
did moira get kicked out of overwatch or did she stay until the shutdown?
cosmic crest
She got kicked out.
She experimented on herself, plus her experiments generally had questionable ethics.
scenic stump
like the thing with reaper?
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Moira
grand wedge
Overwatch was among those who condemned her research, and in O'Deorain's own words, tried to silence her.
We don’t know what lab/company she worked for before Reyes hired her.
valid terrace
!!lorewiki Soldier:76
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Soldier:76
valid terrace
!!lorewiki Soldier_76
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Soldier_76
valid terrace
There ya go
limpid grail
How do U even get lore regular or something
valid terrace
Mod has to give it to you afaik
peak escarp
you earn it by being active and helpful
limpid grail
Oh ok
amber forum
anybody shipping mercy/genji
limpid grail
@worthy rose u need to be a lore regular
And someone already did it for u if u scroll up
ember owl
sorry
worthy rose
I mean Soldier and Tracer are already Gay.
Blizzard wanted to make some Characters Gay to open up the LBGTQ Crowd.
Tracer. Well already saw it happening because of Fanart with Widowmaker before She had a Ginger Girlfriend. Soldier on the other hand. Didn't really notice that.
limpid agate
Fanart has no bearing on a hero being gay or not
worthy rose
Who was that Hamster Hero again? I keep forgetting.
worthy rose
Oh ok thank you.
limpid agate
Fanart is not lore
People draw fanart of McCree and Hanzo or Mercy and Pharah.
McCree and Hanzo have never met.
And Mercy is most likely straight based on the constant Genji shipping in the lore.
Widowmaker was also straight. Its why her name is Widowmaker. She was married to a man name Gerard before she killed him.
limpid agate
Who cares
limpid grail
I mean tbh it’s not like it matters
opaque tundra
Tbh, sexuality doesn't matter in overwatch
amber forum
yo
cosmic crest
Realistically the rest of them would be straight. It is already improbable that two of them would be gay because most people are straight.
amber forum
true
young knoll
it doesn't really matter that much though
amber forum
¯_(ツ)_/¯
young knoll
Overwatch isn't romantically focused whatsoever so far
cosmic crest
It doesn't, but having more characters be gay might come across as pandering.
amber forum
yos
peak escarp
it's better to write a character than to fill a quota
peak escarp
Sojourn is cool - I look forward to learning her lore
peak escarp
and maybe learn about how Canada handled the crisis
amber forum
same, I wonder what her stats will be
amber forum
cool, OW needs more flankers/skirmishers, adds spice to the game
young knoll
they need more tanks and supports first imo
cosmic crest
We very much don't need more dps.
There are more dps heroes than tanks and healers combined
young knoll
well, technically, that is due to defense class being removed
amber forum
there are also other OW heroes coming in OW2. I wonder who they are
amber forum
!.. where?
cosmic crest
I think they should start adding 1 dps for every 5 heroes instead of for every 3 like they've been doing.
amber forum
¯_(ツ)_/¯
young knoll
One of the slides he brought up was for new heroes. The image contained four silhouettes, none were immediately recognizable as characters that were teased in earlier concept arts, comic books, or any of the art we've seen. From what I could make out, three of the forms were female. This is just a guess, mind you, as the garments they wore made it difficult to know for sure. The character I believed to be male held a crooked staff, looking somewhat like a wizard, warlock, or voodoo priest.
The hero that stood out the most, and I couldn't take my eyes off of, appeared to be a female with short hair. At her side and standing up to her knees was a fuzzy little critter with pointy ears and an equally pointy tail. It looked like a fennec fox, but with longer ears and a more aggressive stance. The hero of note wielded a giant four-sided weapon, which is somewhat similar to the shuriken used by Yuffie in Final Fantasy VII, but much thicker. At first glance, this weapon looks like it's used for melee purposes, but given Overwatch is a science-fiction universe, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of it being thrown like a boomerang or attached to some kind of chain (which I didn't see).
from Doctor_Six's earlier post
amber forum
cool, thnks
amber forum
thanks
limpid grail
We better be getting more news at Chinajoy because it’s been nearly 10 months or something without news
amber forum
a couple of months ago, I brainstormed a couple of new heroes that would be cool to have in the game.
like a sniper with a powerful but single-shot sniper with cloaking
young knoll
ok, but that is not what we talk about here
amber forum
ok
amber forum
what's chinajoy
limpid grail
Yeh true
fringe blade
I am honestly quite surprised Chinajoy wasn't cancelled this year
peak escarp
they are a bit ahead of the rest of the world, in terms of the curve
fringe blade
I know, but still
Though I am not sure how many fans from other countries actually attend the Chinajoy in the first place
limpid agate
Again:
《魔兽世界》、《炉石传说》、**《守望先锋》**等暴雪游戏的最新内容试玩，精彩内容第一时间掌握！
I bolded the important parts
From Blizzard China's announcement page
fringe blade
Well yea, but 'latest content' can mean a lot of things
not necessarily 'new content'
limpid agate
Nonetheless, its new gameplay
Even if its just Sojourn, or Gothenburg, or Toronto again
limpid grail
But it could just be OW news?
fringe blade
I am not even sure if there is going to be any big announcements at all, honestly
limpid grail
Not OW2
limpid agate
You're right
It could be OW1 news
Rather than OW2 news
It could be the suspiciously unannounced India map
fringe blade
I think Gamescom is a more likely candidate, but again, I have doubts that it is not going to get cancelled
limpid grail
Is Gothenburg where torbjorns ironclad place is?
fringe blade
Is it?
limpid agate
Yes
limpid agate
@worthy rose I'm gonna warn you right now.
If this is a racist comment or a shitpost
You will be disposed of immediately
limpid grail
this is a serious group
limpid agate
Consider this your only warning.
pliant sparrow
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
pliant sparrow
limpid grail
Wow there’s always one
fringe blade
Anyhow, I think Gamescom is more likely to have a sizeable announcement than ChinaJoy
limpid agate
An announcement at Chinajoy does not render Gamescom immune to announcement
fringe blade
Especially since its being hosted online
limpid agate
You could simply have news at both
fringe blade
That's true
I just mean that I think its unlikely that ChinaJoy is going to have some sort of major content release announcement
fringe blade
I don't think ChinaJoy had any major announcements last year/2018 regarding Overwatch
IIRC
However, you are right
Maybe they will release the Summer Event during it?
The dates are about right
limpid agate
I don't think ChinaJoy had any major announcements last year/2018 regarding Overwatch
It didn't. But they also didn't announce a month in advance that they will have Overwatch content there either.
This time they did
fringe blade
Don't get me wrong, I am very excited for any new releases/announcements
I just don't want to overhype something that is basically unconfirmed
Its just the way the text is worded is kinda awkward, in my opinion
It leaves a lot of wiggle room
limpid agate
I think its worth more than being disregarded.
subtle geyser
yeah the only thing we can do is wait and see
but i wouldnt get my hopes up just to get disappointed again
arctic loom
is better
than nothing
just show anything about ow 2 a small thing
going be good enough
peak escarp
so, all the people who frequent this channel?
limpid agate
OW2 is also bringing a pile of maps, heroes, and Push to people who don't care about Archives
They can showoff any of that shit too.
arctic loom
yeah for people who likes archives and lore
the ones who just play only for competitive and others things... probably not going get it
limpid agate
But they'll still care about OW2 news
arctic loom
yeah but im doubt everyone will get ow2
limpid agate
Okay. So
peak escarp
even people who don't get OW2 will get the new mode, new heroes and new maps
limpid agate
^
fringe blade
i never pre-order
even if i know the game will be good
i have spent enough money pre-ordering to know that everything can go to shit
swift mason
Honestly if OW2 releases to negative reception (which I hope that isn’t gonna be the case) that isn’t going to change the fact that I will still play OW2. I believe in the writers and that they have made a great story for us to experience
limpid grail
Will there be anymore then the 3 maps we already know about?
subtle geyser
pretty sure there were more than 3, no?
limpid grail
Oh maybe 4
subtle geyser
gothenburg, india, rio off the top of my head
subtle geyser
yes
there will be a mission in india
thats where genji and zen are in the cinematic
"i knew you would return one day, genji"
opaque tundra
The line "I knew you would return one day"
And then Genji saying "it's been too long" implies that they haven't seen each other since Gengu found le peace. It retcons the Christmas comic which is one of my favorites and it's kinda disappointing
subtle geyser
@opaque tundra not really? he left overwatch ~5 years ago (i think) and
He drifted for many years before crossing paths with the omnic monk Zenyatta.
which in a 5 year timespan would be at least 3-4? that would kinda work if they haven't seen each other for a year or so
and only known each other for 2 years
opaque tundra
Hmmmm maybe
rancid vortex
i have spoken aswell
valid terrace
They’re also adding a Toronto map as a confirmed one
It’s likely going to be closer to 10 as we’re getting at least one new game mode as well as maps for the existing ones I’d imagine
peak escarp
it is a sequel, after all
not just a "glorified DLC" like people are calling it
it would make sense to come with a significant amount of content
pliant sparrow
And those games are often hated for it
limpid grail
I just worry at the fact in the trailer it says ‘highly replay-able content’ which could mean the story isn’t that long but you can play it in many ways with different hero’s
But maybe I’m wrong
peak escarp
the "highly replayable content" was referring to Hero Missions
which are PvE missions with changing objectives
valid terrace
Like firefight from the halo franchise but with more randomness
peak escarp
the idea is that Hero Missions will be the main mode that PvE players will play, with Story Missions as something you play just to get the story
although if they do what they did for Archives, it will be worth it to play through Story Missions a few times with each hero to get all the interactions
lament prawn
ill probably spend most of my time in hero missions in the long run naturally
but as far as im concerned my “main mode” will always be the canon story
peak escarp
yeah
lament prawn
they’ll be the ones with the canon story, dedicated maps and events, cutscenes, and just a more polished experience
they’re less replayable, but definitely the most enjoyable the first time around
peak escarp
yeah
limpid grail
I’ll mostly only play the hero missions
peak escarp
I've played Retribution and Storm Rising hundreds of times, and I still find them enjoyable
Retribution moreso, because I enjoy the banter more
lament prawn
i agree with you but thats an unpopular opinion for, tbf, valid reasons
limpid grail
And judging by ur profile pic u like mccree
lament prawn
luckily even the story missions are gonna be more replayable than archives
hero missions aside
peak escarp
Uprising was my least favourite, due to the payload defense/escort section
and the really steep difficulty curve
I can beat Retribution and Storm Rising on Expert without really trying, but Uprising I couldn't even beat on Hard
lament prawn
my favs in order are retribution, uprising, then storm rising
although when it comes to hero selection, uprising has some of the ones i like playing more
same with storm rising
peak escarp
for Uprising I can do Mercy or Torb, for Storm Rising pretty much just Mercy
limpid grail
I also think the map for uprising is ugly I think kings row only works at night
peak escarp
for Retribution I can play anyone except Genji
lament prawn
for a pve mission i can play anyone
i just enjoy tracer and mercy more in the existing ones
although genji can be super fun considering how quickly you regain dash
but i still stray away from him after PvP trauma
iron plume
I manage on pretty much all but Winston
limpid agate
I feel there will be some more payload missions in the campaign, like Uprising
Where you need to actively protect it
peak escarp
hopefully they've learned from Uprising and make it less boring
limpid grail
I hope there more like retribution where u just go around the map fighting them
But they will probably be like all 3 of the archives
opaque tundra
I'm more worried about the story being too formulaic. It'd be so boring if every mission was
Go to map
Meet hero
Fight
Cool tidbit at the end
amber socket
Do you think they'll make more archive's events?
peak escarp
probably not
Archives will likely get retired as an event and they'll replace it with something else
limpid grail
But what about the archives missions? Will they add them to OW2
peak escarp
maybe
subtle geyser
i wouldnt really call it a sequel or a glorified dlc , i think it's more inbetween that, kind of like expansions for wow
peak escarp
the dev team calls it a sequel
and in the story sense, it is a sequel
it's just not what you think of when you think of a game sequel
fringe blade
I am honestly curious to see how they execute OW2 overall
limpid grail
I’m exited for the new hero’s and maps and how they connect to the lore tbh
subtle geyser
i still think expansion like in wow is a better description than sequel
peak escarp
it's an expandalone
an expansion that you don't need to own the base game to play
(or technically, an expansion that includes the base game)
subtle geyser
do we even know the pricings yet?
since ow1 players exist do they have to "upgrade" to ow2, or buy ow2 whole?
peak escarp
not yet
subtle geyser
i mean they basically already own half the game
so it could be treated as an expansion
peak escarp
I don't know how that would work for console players
fringe blade
We don't really know the scale of the PVE game yet
so its hard to say
But its somewhere between the 30-60$ price
subtle geyser
i think itll be the usual 40€ and with upgrade-able versions like the extra skins version for OW1
fringe blade
Again, it really depends
Like, the Reaper of Souls was 40 bucks when released
and that expansion was massive
however, it wasnt standalone
north grove
@limpid grail i think that the archives missions will be called throwback missions (just a guess)
white glade
From an interview Jeff gave, you'll be able to play OW1 AND OW2 together, however you can only play competitive if you've only got OW1 and you can't access new skins that are a part of OW2
peak escarp
however you can only play competitive if you've only got OW1
this is the first I've heard of this
it would be weird to exclude competitive from OW2 when the OWL will also be playing OW2
and the two games will eventually merge anyway
white glade
I'm fairly certain he just said competitive, but I had the same thought, why not make it all multiplayer modes minus pve and just not include skins
Sorry I misunderstood, you can still play competitive if you've got OW2, but if you only have OW1, Jeff said that you can only play competitive. He might have left out stuff like qp
iron plume
he said "PVP", not "competitive"
which does include qp and the other existing modes
limpid agate
If you get OVerwatch 2
You get to play everything in Overwatch 1
Overwatch 2 is a replacement for Overwatch 1
hard sinew
I was playing on nubani and my team had pharmercy and they said something along the lines of it's to weird to see you in your suit can anyone explain it?
potent vapor
speaking of comics, they really need to do monthly issues like what they've done with their other series (Starcraft, Diablo, and Warcraft). i also wish to see how much progress was made on the graphic novel til they decided to scrap it
cosmic crest
@hard sinew There is an interaction were Brigitte says weird to see Mercy in her armour, is that what you mean?
hard sinew
Idk if we had brig on that map I'll check 1 min
Oh yeah it was brig my bad
Can u explain it?
grand wedge
Because Mercy is close to Torbjorn family. She comes to family gatherings sometimes, so no armor when she visits Torbjorn and Ingrid.
slender crypt
overwatch 1 is for competitive
overwatch 2 is for lore
if you're a lore junkie, you play OW2, if you like comp, you play OW1
they made the 2 games specifically different from each-other to cater towards different audiences
if you play OW2, you're basically playing a dlced OW1
slender crypt
that will probably 2-3 years down the line
lament prawn
OW2 will have both the PVP and the PVE
slender crypt
but they made the games specifically for 2 different types of people
lore junkies
or competitive players
im more on the line of lore junkie personally
lament prawn
we dont know when the clients will be merging, but OW2 will have the PVP at launch
slender crypt
you dont need to buy OW2
lament prawn
you dont, but OW2 will have it. if you have OW2, you wont need to launch OW1 to play comp
slender crypt
how much will OW2 be on release?
lament prawn
we dont know
slender crypt
i hope its less than 50
because the OW1 released for 30 if i recall
i hope they fix the omnic lore though
cause the omnics are really the only lore problem i have
limpid grail
I wouldn’t worry about the price just yet because we don’t even know about the realease date
slender crypt
it probably wont be for a while though
limpid grail
I just hope it’s sooner rather than later I’m starting to get impatient
slender crypt
i dont really care for OW2 either way
i'd prefer if it was just a huge update to the game, rather than it being a seperate game
limpid grail
I do I want the campaign and more lore
slender crypt
if they made OW2 a huge patch like they did R6, it would bring back alot of interest
but forcing people to buy a 2nd copy of overwatch for little to changes besides lore and more characters
ehhh
they main problem i will have with OW2 when it comes out, is that they simply didnt patch the game to just have this as the new OW
instead of forcing people to pay another 30-40$ for something they already paid for one
once*
on-top of the 100s of dollars spent on Loot boxes
lament prawn
you said it yourself, if youre not interested in lore then dont get OW2
youre not "forced" to do anything, the heroes and maps wont be behind a paywall
turbid pebble
ow2 was promised to have a lot more to offer than just 'lore'
lament prawn
you cant expect a full fledged campaign for free, thats basically a game on its own even when you dont count the PVP additions
and including lootboxes as part of the price for the first game isnt fair, theyre just for cosmetics and you unlock stuff pretty quick without having to buy them anyway
no one "already paid" for OW2, you already paid for the PVP which you have
what you'll be paying for is the story if you want it
dim scroll
but forcing people to buy a 2nd copy of overwatch for little to changes besides lore and more characters
All new characters will be playable by people who have either OW or OW2. If you want to play as Sojourn, or play on Toronto, go for it. The only things that are exclusive to OW2 are the Campaign, PVE missions, and new character designs. OW2 will also likely move to a different monetization plan due to Loot Boxes being banned all over the world.
peak escarp
@slender crypt what's wrong with the omnic lore?
slender crypt
i just dont like it in general, i want some like actual backstory as to why the omnics started going bad-shit crazy
peak escarp
they didn't go crazy
their reason for turning on humanity is an in-universe mystery
it's an intentional unknown
slender crypt
is there atleast a somewhat applicable reason?
like, i get having mysterious stuff
but omnics going crazy for no reason, robots wouldnt realistically do that
peak escarp
early dev comments indicate they had a hive mind, but that might have been retconned when First Strike got canned
robots wouldn't turn on humans for abusing them and treating them like slaves?
young knoll
Not if programmed properly
You can make useful smart robots without giving them sentience
Or sapience
slender crypt
Orisa was programmed to adapt and counter situations
and yet so far she's only countering doomfist
iron plume
Orisa was programmed to defend Numbani
slender crypt
well, her original design was to specifically counter doomfist
iron plume
She does the normal saturday morning cartoon cop stuff most of her day
and Doomfist is the biggest Big Bad that threatens it
slender crypt
but she eventually got upgraded for defending numbani
iron plume
why wouldn't she primarily counter doomfist
slender crypt
cause she was designed with doomfist in mind
iron plume
reread the question
slender crypt
yeah, i answered it
iron plume
you did not
slender crypt
you asked why would orisa be designed to counter doomfist
and i answered, cause she was designe with doomfist in mind
iron plume
I didn't
reread the question
and yes, she was designed with Doomfist in mind because he's the biggest threat
which is why this
Orisa was programmed to adapt and counter situations
and yet so far she's only countering doomfist
makes perfect sense in her situation
"only" countering him notwithstanding, because it's not true
iron plume
I'm sure there are
what's your point
young knoll
Hearkening back to what Doctor_Six was saying, I think a large amount of the battle Omnics likely had a hive mind. Could be a good explanation as to what the god programs were, and it would mean individual omnics don’t have to die
slender crypt
reminds me of the Zerg from SC
young knoll
In addition, it would be very easy to move troops around with almost instantaneous precision, and a smart hive mind could still make individuals useful
slender crypt
that's why they lost in the omnic crisis
young knoll
What do you mean
slender crypt
cause like, sure they'd always be limited in hive minds
they'd have one specific goal in mind and will have to follow it no matter what
young knoll
A hive mind does not mean that all are doing the same thing
It is just that what one knows, all does
And a central control
“Central”
dim scroll
This would make sense for things like Null Sector to be a hive mind. Then we aren't killing individuals, rather just an extension of the whole entity.
young knoll
That would be a good explanation
But in game mechanics aren’t lore
Could have just been bad ai
It makes more sense if you do have smart hive minds to use those rather than risk individuals
But we don’t know if that is the case
Or so I understand
Does anyone know of confirmed hive mind sort of things in more?
Lore*
I can’t find anything about it, but I am not as knowledgeable as some here
limpid agate
Does anyone know of confirmed hive mind sort of things in more?
No.
Its certainly not the case for the modern civilian omnics.
So I think its unlikely one was present 30 years ago
peak escarp
the last/only time a hive mind was mentioned by the devs was pre-First Strike
so it was probably ditched when they scrapped the novel
limpid agate
!!shitposting @ornate lynx
twilit nacelleBOT
@ornate lynx Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
subtle geyser
@lament prawn im pretty sure it will be in one client at launch, but overwatch 1 players won't have the options to select pve
lament prawn
thats what i thought too
subtle geyser
there was a question about it in the q&a panel
lament prawn
but there was a quote saying that the clients will be separate at first and merge down the line
i forgot where it was from
subtle geyser
weird i cant find the q&a video
https://youtu.be/FCjSfyPaj14?t=611 there it is
and thats also where he says that the new looks are only available for OW2 players, ow1 players will still have the old player models
limpid agate
The new looks are basically just skins
limpid agate
but there was a quote saying that the clients will be separate at first and merge down the line
They meant before OW2 launch
Not after
iirc
lament prawn
Support will continue for both titles, and eventually, the two experiences will be merged into one unified client.
lament prawn
All cosmetics and progress can be transferred from the first game to the sequel. Support will continue for both titles, and eventually, the two experiences will be merged into one unified client.
you wouldnt need to transfer anything if they started as the same client
and why say that support will continue for both titles? of course OW will be supported until OW2 comes out
peak escarp
is it even hair at that point
Lucio's hair has amazing natural texture
(the green things aren't hair)
subtle geyser
i meant the glowing bits
where are they coming out of
is it attached to his hair?
subtle geyser
oh so his hair is actually short
peak escarp
called cyber locs
subtle geyser
that fading hair tho lol
lament prawn
redesign aside, thats a huge upgrade
subtle geyser
is it attached to his headset?
peak escarp
I don't think so
lament prawn
trying to think what that quote meant
eventually, the two experiences will be merged into one unified client.
this kinda implies to me that the experiences will exist alongside one another for a while
i kinda hope its just one client from the start
less confusing
especially if it means crossplay will have OW1 players lacking new UI/graphics
subtle geyser
ow2 will probably just be an update away for ow1 players
peak escarp
the PvP parts, yeah
hazy ravine
Overwatch 3 leaks?
limpid agate
!!shitposting @hazy ravine
twilit nacelleBOT
@hazy ravine Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
subtle geyser
well we will have at least another 4 years before plans for something like that would be a thing :D
peak escarp
4 years?
peak escarp
why would it take 4 years for the clients to merge?
peak escarp
why would there be an OW3?
subtle geyser
well we really don't know what the future in 5-10 years would look like for overwatch
wow lives so long because they bring out new expansions every two years
subtle geyser
yeah that would make a lot more sense too
bringing out pve content in waves
and maybe some bigger pvp additions
slender crypt
When zenyatta has more brain power then an engineer like torbjorn, because omnic monks do be like that
arctic loom
so chinajoy is tomorrow what you guys expect to come?
im think going be or a map,workshop or something about ow 2
arctic loom
I think it is unlikely to be about summer games
limpid grail
Probably not
lament prawn
yeah their focus isnt on the seasonal events
theyre not big enough to advertise/announce outside of a tweet or youtube video
keen sand
Bruh
edgy spade
bruhbruh
hazy ravine
What species is winston?
limpid agate
Gorilla
swift mason
silver-back gorilla
spiral moth
m fascit nu bell bucchin
subtle geyser
is there a chinajoy livestream by any chance?
peak escarp
@swift mason "silver-back" refers to the age of the gorilla, not the species
proud dust
he's a shrimp
fringe blade
welp
i was excited for the Q&A on reddit by the OW team
was hoping for some sort of lore reveals or such
limpid agate
We got a lot of cool information about development as well as some stuff regarding future plans
The Moira rework details were outlined really clearly for the next balance experimental card
We also learned that Jeff Chamberlain, who was behind the Museum Cinematic Trailer is the new Creative Director.
subtle geyser
chinajoy is over?
well ow2 news related
where did you get that info from taiga? i dont see anything :T
dim scroll
It was in the r/Overwatch Dev Q&A from earlier.
subtle geyser
oh
dim scroll
We probably won't get anything from Chinajoy, but they did confirm that Summer Games would start Soon (TM).
peak escarp
dim scroll
Plus, I think we'll probably get some new lore stuff with at least one skin from the Summer Games, and probably something for OW2 with Gamescom or the supposed Playstation State of Play thing that was leaked.
dim scroll
I think that was a cheeky way of referencing the Leaked OW Show from a few months back.
peak escarp
fringe blade
I was hoping for some sauce, you know?
dim scroll
Hopefully we see something soon.
fringe blade
We have been having this drought for so long
limpid agate
It's been 3 months of "slow news"
peak escarp
you should expect much with OW2
fringe blade
I shouldn't expect anything prior to OW2
limpid agate
What do you want?
fringe blade
I phrased that wrong lol
peak escarp
part of the whole point of OW2 is the lore
limpid agate
Monthly hero or map reveals?
limpid agate
It's been 3 months of "slow news"
peak escarp
we got a novel 2 months ago
fringe blade
Anyway, I think the rest of the Q&A was quite interesting
peak escarp
I bet people are missing Chu's Twitter lore now
limpid agate
And Im excluding things like the events and eSports that the devs have been putting a lot of resources into recently
As well as the album that just came out
Stuff has been releasing
Just nothing you want
They even confirmed in that AMA that they have more albums coming soon™️ and that the Maps and Music was just the first
Technically second
fringe blade
The album was really cool though
peak escarp
I'd love an album of the music from the cinematics
that theme when Balderich faces off against the omnics in Honor and Glory, or when Tracer goes to deliver the bomb to the titan in Zero Hour
so good
fringe blade
Honestly, if they released an official soundtrack for the shorts, I would 100% buy it
The musicians at Blizzard (or wherever the music is made) are very talented
peak escarp
a lot of them are really good
I gush about The Last Bastion all the time
it's a cinematic masterpiece
steel peak
cus like, watching those two, with the music and shit actually invoked like tears in me cus it was so good (yes i know im a softie donmt laugh)
Last Bastion, Reunion, and the Widow one are all up there for me too
fringe blade
I honestly feel like the problem with the OW shorts is that in order to fully appreciate them, you need some sort of background knowledge on the lore
steel peak
yeah, which is why ive been wanting to read up on lore, im just too lazy
but its something im 100% gonna do at some point
I dont think a games lore has intrigued me as much as OWs has
peak escarp
@fringe blade I've been watching a lot of reactions, from people who don't follow the lore
steel peak
purely cus how vast it is
peak escarp
and most of them seem to follow along pretty well
fringe blade
You can still appreciate them for sure
But I just don't think its the same, y'know?
peak escarp
true
steel peak
The apex lore is decent so farm, and its gonna go cool places I think, Valorant could set up good lore, pokemon occasionally have decent lore, but none of these are as good as Overwatch
peak escarp
one I watched was a filmmaker, and he did an in-depth analysis of the cinematography and composition and technical aspects
fringe blade
Ah
peak escarp
it was very informative
steel peak
I think what sets the cinematics apart is that they do a perfect job of conveying emotion and a story, that deserve a movie, it 10 or less minutes
steel peak
like look at honor and glory
fringe blade
Well, conveying emotion and a story in a short period of time is the entire point of a short movie
steel peak
You see the end of a story and the creation of a character, and you can see that exact moment when reinhardt realized what his true duty was, and goes out to sacrifice himself for his team members
In reunion you see something that would be similar to an exposition
The last bastion you have a resolution
Each cinematic show a different part of a plot chart so well, and its amazing
and thats not even looking at the stories
worthy rose
Yo this may sound crazy but what if talon saved baldrich and brainwashed him like widow and will become a new talon tank in overwatch 2 there would be some cool interaction with him and rienhardt
subtle geyser
he's dead
worthy rose
I like how short and simple you put that
subtle geyser
you can see his armor at the end of eichenwalde exactly like when he sat down in the cinematic
worthy rose
Because we only see his armour not truly him
limpid agate
Balderich is dead
We've seen his corpse
And then we've seen it again 30 years later
Honor and Glory
Talon also might not have existed 30 years ago
worthy rose
Good point
subtle geyser
the armor didnt move an inch for 30 years its pretty safe to say that his body is still in there
peak escarp
no character who has actually been shown/known to be dead has come back
only characters who were believed to be dead
limpid agate
Other than Genji
worthy rose
Cough cough tracer
peak escarp
Tracer was never dead
limpid agate
Lets make a distinction
subtle geyser
presumed dead?
limpid agate
Heroes believed to be dead to the playerbase
worthy rose
She was presumed dead
limpid agate
ANd heroes believed to be dead in universe
peak escarp
Tracer was missing
limpid agate
The only hero who was believed to be dead to the playerbase was Genji
In Hanzo's bio
peak escarp
they never thought she was dead
limpid agate
Half the cast was presumed dead in universe
subtle geyser
like ana
limpid agate
@peak escarp Tracer was presumed dead in universe
worthy rose
I really hope that there will be another hero similar to Rienhardt in ow 2
limpid agate
Exact quote
limpid agate
I really hope that there will be another hero similar to Rienhardt in ow 2
There already is
Her name is Brigitte
worthy rose
Another tank
limpid agate
They are experimenting with making Brig a tank
peak escarp
And nobody knew where - or when - I'd gone.
peak escarp
isn't Orisa already similar to Reinhardt?
subtle geyser
not sure if he means gameplay wise or lore wise
limpid agate
Similar how
peak escarp
she's inspired by him
limpid agate
What do you mean similar
worthy rose
See you have to aim to play Orisa
limpid agate
Shield tank with a cleave weapon and CC ult
worthy rose
I want somebody similar to Rienhardt lore wise that is a tank
subtle geyser
i mean what would be the point of a hero similar to another? would be better to just make unique heroes
limpid agate
There will never be someone similar to Reinhardt lore wise that is a tank
Because the crusaders are dead
peak escarp
why "similar to Reinhardt lore wise that is a tank"
limpid agate
Brigitte is his squire
subtle geyser
all of them?
worthy rose
You have a point
peak escarp
role is irrelevant to the lore
worthy rose
You guys know the guy on Kings row
peak escarp
Lucio has no reason to be a support hero based on what we've seen in the lore
subtle geyser
did all crusaders die in the omnic crisis?
worthy rose
The one with red armour
limpid agate
@subtle geyser Every single one we have seen died
worthy rose
He is briefly shown in Winston cinamatic
worthy rose
He like the same size as rien and he looks very bulky
subtle geyser
oh can you see all the crusaders in the cinematic dead on eichenwalde?
limpid agate
No
worthy rose
So Rienhardt but red
worthy rose
Honour and glory is the best cinamatic in my opinion
limpid agate
Wildebeest is not Reinhardt related in the lore
fringe blade
I've always found the crusaders to be a very interesting method of warfare
worthy rose
Bottom right
fringe blade
Very northern European
limpid agate
Its concept art
worthy rose
I want that guy
subtle geyser
where is that from? the artbook?
peak escarp
that guy became Reinhardt and Orisa
worthy rose
This looks like early stages of Orisa because of the tribal weaponry
limpid agate
Big shield tank -> Reinhardt
Numbani Omnic tank -> Orisa
Flail shield tank -> Brigitte
He's had 3 chances
And lost all 3 of them
At this point, they're more likely to make D.Mon than Wildebeest
fringe blade
I honestly think a lot of the concept arts seem very foreign
Compared to the heroes we have now
limpid agate
If they want yet another melee weapon shield tank
worthy rose
There most likely to make dva other gamer friends the next tank
subtle geyser
there were only 3 crusaders in honor and glory right?
fringe blade
Maybe I am crazy, but a lot of the concept arts seem too... cartoony, I guess?
I don't really know what it is about them
subtle geyser
balderich reinhardt and the female one
worthy rose
No there were many crusaders
limpid agate
There were 2 female ones
worthy rose
Yeah that’s what I meant
subtle geyser
or was it there?
worthy rose
I thought that there were more my bad
worthy rose
Weren’t there some crusaders in the bar in honor and glory cinamatic
worthy rose
There was one more I think
subtle geyser
i just rewatched it and only saw those 3
limpid agate
2
That's the opposite side of the room
And here they are
Crusader 1, Balderich, Crusader 2
subtle geyser
right and reinhardt comes dashing out from the right
limpid agate
Yes
subtle geyser
not just strong, she must be pretty tall and wide just to fit into those dimensions
peak escarp
there's probably stilts/arm extenders
limpid agate
Presumeably they all are.
peak escarp
cosplayers need to use them to get the right proportions
subtle geyser
but all their heads look pretty tiny compared to the armor too, so the armor is pretty thick
young knoll
sure, rein is huge, but the armor still had to be heavy as hell
lament prawn
rein’s hands arent big enough to fit in that armor like a normal glove
young knoll
then again, it isn't supposed to be 100% realistic
subtle geyser
i mean the armor is powered by something, im sure theyre not carrying all the weight of it
peak escarp
probably
subtle geyser
and we dont really know what its made out of
lament prawn
it probably has a smaller glove thing inside that controls the big fingers
subtle geyser
it could be lighter than we think
peak escarp
you can see their helmets power on when Balderich puts his on
subtle geyser
since its int he future it could be a light material
subtle geyser
obviously, otherwise the shield wouldnt really work
young knoll
but how much do they actually move it is the question
subtle geyser
when he was injured
lament prawn
you can see tubing around the armor, and you can see the blue fluid leaking from balderich’s armor. whatever that juice is powers it it seems
young knoll
maybe hydraulic fluid?
subtle geyser
i mean their armor doesn't really make that hydraulic sound so i doubt it
young knoll
I doubt they are using liquid fuel, that would be heavy
peak escarp
hydraulic fluid
young knoll
that would seem to suggest a system that helps them move in it if so
maybe not something like an exoskeleton
but maybe to help joints to move better
or something like that
peak escarp
hmm, the director's commentary doesn't say what it is
only that the blue fluid was added because with a T rating they couldn't show blood
peak escarp
it's still canon
it's just not explained what it is
hydraulic fluid makes sense though
subtle geyser
yeah ive seen the directors commentary
but i was still confused about what it was actually supposed to be
and well since it can't really come from balderich it must be something from the armor
young knoll
I mean, it could come from him, possibly
they are somewhat freaks of nature, to be honest
subtle geyser
i dont think they're genetically enhanced?
peak escarp
they're still human
young knoll
like, rein is massive
peak escarp
Rein is huge, but still within human possibility
subtle geyser
yeah but for example that female crusader
she'd need to be unnaturally huge if there aren't any extensions
peak escarp
occam's razor
if she would need to be unnaturally huge to wear that suit without extensions, then there are probably extensions and she is probably normal sized
subtle geyser
its very hard to judge just based off of an image of them inside the armor though
we've only seen rein outside of it
young knoll
do we see rein compared to balderich's suit?
if so, that would scale it
I don't remember if we did
subtle geyser
i mean we see them standing next ot each other i guess?
young knoll
no, like, rein at the end paying respects
subtle geyser
but they all seem to be similar sized tbh
apart from cosmetic modifications for balderich they're pretty much the same
young knoll
how big are they compared to the normal humans then
we know reins height I think
assume the people around them's height is average
subtle geyser
we don't know how the other people look like outside of the armor
young knoll
reinhardt is 2.23 meters
subtle geyser
there also might be fewer crusaders than we think
we've seen potentially ~5 unique ones
peak escarp
Richters is 2.18m
young knoll
we haven't seen them out of armor though right
fringe blade
The armors should be constructed similarly to each other, I think
young knoll
I suppose that might be the case
subtle geyser
https://imgur.com/oq2kBHI we've seen rein here without armor and in another one where tracer is
fringe blade
I'm not sure how many crusaders there are overall so I am not sure if they were mass-produced or not
young knoll
yes, 2.23 meters tall
subtle geyser
i mean hes buffer than winston lol
young knoll
winston is a gorilla
subtle geyser
exactly
young knoll
still doesn't compare
subtle geyser
do you know how buff gorillas are
peak escarp
gorillas aren't buff
subtle geyser
compared to humans?
peak escarp
they're just naturally muscular
peak escarp
compared to humans who work out constantly and have highly defined muscles
young knoll
a human loses to a gorilla every time weaponless, being buff isn't really relevant
peak escarp
looks pretty flabby to me
fringe blade
He's kinda half-crouched in both pictures as well
young knoll
they are built like walls
peak escarp
fringe blade
Gorillas are actually very powerful
young knoll
look up gorilla musculature vs human musculature
subtle geyser
yeah don't even try to mess with them lol
young knoll
doesn't even compare
fringe blade
My brother graduated and now works with gorillas and other primates full time
peak escarp
I still wouldn't call a gorilla "buff"
fringe blade
And from what I understand, even though they don't look too powerful
They are much more powerful than even a 'buff' human
peak escarp
buff implies defined muscles, like a bodybuilder
fringe blade
True
Its interesting how different gorillas and humans turned out
How naturally powerful and strong they
subtle geyser
maybe ive been using the wrong word then, i meant more like that they have a lot of muscles compared to normal people
fringe blade
I think Sammy just used the wrong term
peak escarp
we haven't seen how buff/not buff Winston is
subtle geyser
thats why its so nuts that rein has more muscles than a normal gorilla
peak escarp
since we've only seen him in his armor
young knoll
it was implied he is letting himself go with the peanut butter though, isn't it
subtle geyser
maybe winston a little bigger around the biceps
but they seem pretty similar overall
fringe blade
Honestly, Winston's proportions seem to be off
I have seen quite a few gorillas, and something about him doesn't feel right
peak escarp
he's a cartoony gorilla
young knoll
he seems rather large
peak escarp
he's also genetically enhanced
fringe blade
He seems very undefined?
peak escarp
so he should be larger than standard gorillas
fringe blade
I am not sure if thats the right word
I know we can't really see his body cause of the clothing
subtle geyser
so about the genetical enhancement, is it confirmed that the crusaders are not genetically enhanced?
fringe blade
But he just looks like a toy
I think
But I guess they had to make him look cartoon-y
young knoll
maybe not genetically, but they are so huge that steroids or tech enhancements might be involved
I doubt it is easy to find many people that fit the Crusader type, so to speak
fringe blade
I think his muscularity is the only thing that's kinda hard to believe
I know quite a few exceptionally tall people
peak escarp
@subtle geyser it's not confirmed whether they are or aren't
subtle geyser
okay so that means it's a possibility