when dealing damage tho
#lore-discussion
edgy spade
oH WAIT
HE HAS LIKE
ZARYA BUBBLE LIKE THING
THAT TRANSFERS DAMAGE TAKEN INTO ARMOR FOR TEAMMATES
blazing furnace
i-
edgy spade
jEFF
edgy spade
WE GOT A NEW HERO FOR U
peak escarp
calm down
blazing furnace
ok
edgy spade
and his skin gets all shiny and stuff when he uses that ability
blazing furnace
LOL
blazing furnace
oil intensifies
edgy spade
the armor expands from a glowy iron man thing on his back
peak escarp
you're thinking of Black Panther
blazing furnace
lmao
blazing furnace
crossovers be like
blazing furnace
demonetized
peak escarp
this isn't really the place for discussing kits anyway
peak escarp
edgy spade
oh ok
grand wedge
but at one point former lead writer Michael Chu said he was a year younger than Reyes
@peak escarp oh he said that? when was it?
grand wedge
Ah, I watched the 2017 one not this one
peak escarp
I haven't found video of it anywhere, just accounts from people who went
grand wedge
ah, that explains it ^^
rugged raptor
does anyone here make overwatch oc's? i have one and i'd be willing to talk about mine and anyone elses
dim scroll
This isn't the channel for that. You might want to try the #general-discussion or #overwatch channels.
rugged raptor
uh k
limpid grail
This might sounds pretty dumb idk . But can someone explain why Ayutthaya is a map when there are no hero’s related to it and it randomly came out of nowhere
limpid grail
oh yeh thanks lol
boreal umbra
peak escarp
it seems to be connected to the archeological work being done in Petra
assuming Ayutthaya is "the new project in Thailand"
limpid grail
Oh that’s helpful thanks
limpid agate
Other maps with no associated heroes include Paris, Havana, and Lijiang Tower
cosmic crest
Where is Petra located?
grand wedge
Jordan
In 2016, archaeologists using satellite imagery and drones discovered a very large, previously unknown monumental structure
I like that in the Overwatch Petra, they also are running imagery and located a secret chamber ^^
peak escarp
it was famously featured in one of the Indiana Jones movies
cosmic crest
Interesting
peak escarp
cosmic crest
The map inspiration is obvious.
limpid grail
Is château guillard where widowmaker lived?
peak escarp
she bought the property recently and is renovating it
pliant sparrow
That was in the last crusade wasn't it?
limpid agate
Yes
grand wedge
Do you think they kept the "hive mind " idea they had before the cancellation of First Strike? https://youtu.be/J0t9iHuO20I?t=390
peak escarp
hmm, maybe
but if there were any civilian omnics during the crisis, the hive-mind idea kinda falls apart
grand wedge
Anubis did that to the omnics in Pharah’s comic - but it was done before FS.
limpid agate
Is the bot down?
lime wharf
Get a load of this guy
limpid agate
@worthy rose You are responsible for what happens on your account.
Consider this your final warning.
lime wharf
¯_(ツ)_/¯
limpid agate
We are moving on
lime wharf
Kk
lime wharf
She is
worthy rose
Anyone else
lime wharf
He was previously in a relationship with a man who was named something like "Vector" or "Hector" I forgot
No one else is confirmed LGBT
At least of the heroes
Idk about actual characters
worthy rose
Hmm
limpid agate
Vincent
lime wharf
Who?
worthy rose
Damn
limpid agate
Soldier's ex-boyfriend from 30 years ago
worthy rose
Prob dead
limpid agate
He isnt
lime wharf
Ohh
limpid agate
He's married to someone else
lime wharf
Yea yea I mentioned him earlier
limpid agate
Soldier and Tracer are gay.
Widow, Torb, Mercy, Genji, Ana, and Reaper are all suggested to be straight.
Bastion has no understanding of gender or sexuality.
Everyone else is unknown.
peak escarp
omnics have the capacity for love
lime wharf
They don't really have genders either
So even if they can love their sexuality is pretty unclear
@limpid agate Why Mercy and Reaper?
worthy rose
Mercy is for ninja
lime wharf
Ik Widow had a husband, and Ana and Torb have children
limpid agate
Reaper was married
worthy rose
Reaper is a loner
limpid agate
He had a family
limpid agate
He "died"
limpid agate
The incident where Gabriel Reyes "died"
His powers may have been latent prior to or after the incident
lime wharf
I mean it makes sense bc Soldier didn't gain powers
peak escarp
Soldier also wasn't experimented on by Moira
lime wharf
Why
worthy rose
Bruh
worthy rose
Alright
peak escarp
Moira, Reaper, Maximilien, Doomfist and Sanjay Korpal are the Talon leaders that we know of
Sanjay Korpal is Symmetra's boss/handler
cosmic crest
Of all the Talon Overseers we know of, none of them have been a part of Talon since it began, which is odd. If Talon's original founder(s) are still on the council, it would seem odd to introduce them so late into the story.
peak escarp
with how cutthroat Talon is, I doubt any of their founders are still around
young knoll
yeah, I imagine they would have been killed or maybe retired
peak escarp
or in jail
cosmic crest
Perhaps they have undergone some form of power struggle. Maybe there used to be an entirely different council before they were replaced by the one we have now.
young knoll
I don't imagine doomfist would have much trouble with staging a coup
cosmic crest
Perhaps the second Doomfist was the original founder?
grand wedge
Talon was a mercenary group that rose after the crisis iirc?
cosmic crest
I haven't heard that before.
grand wedge
It’s on Baptiste Q&A on the forums
But I don’t have the link I’m on my phone
Michael and Alyssa talked a bit about it.
peak escarp
After Baptiste and his Caribbean Coalition squadmates finished their tours of duty, they found the most lucrative path that still took advantage of their specialized skillsets was the Talon mercenary group. At the time, Baptiste wouldn’t have the same view and knowledge of Talon as we do now. Talon’s public face, especially the one they’d show to prospective recruits like Baptiste, would be as a well-paying mercenary group that took on security missions that were sanctioned by official organizations or corporations: a reasonable place for him and his comrades to best use their skills after their years in the Caribbean Coalition, without a hint of Talon’s true aims.
helps if I had the right quote
worthy rose
How do I find the overwatch comics are is there a chronological order
cosmic crest
They are pinned in this channel.
worthy rose
Excellent
fiery zodiac
Mhm yeah I feel like Moira may be morally ambiguous now but Blizz would likely add stuff in the future to tilt her narrative to the villainous side of things
There's a lot to learn from her sprays, it's actually kinda interesting
peak escarp
she's already pretty villainous
fringe blade
Was Winston born on Horizon?
peak escarp
we don't know
fiery zodiac
My non-canon guess is that it's implied he may not have been born on Earth. Emphasis on non-canon guess.
teal meadow
I'm pretty sure i'm missing details, but when baptiste joined talon, overwatch was disbanded already?
opaque tundra
I'm not really sure
No dates or anything are stated on the website but there was a Baptiste article linked above
grand wedge
!!lorewiki Baptiste
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Baptiste
grand wedge
He left Talon 4 years ago.
I doubt he stayed with them just for one year (since it was disbanded 5 years ago)
So he was probably Talon before OW fell, and when Talon got bolder because there was no OW anymore, and had civilian casualties during their missions, Baptiste left.
warped escarp
Anyone got a link to the bastet comic, ive been looking everywhere
opaque tundra
All comics are linked in pinned messages
peak escarp
it's not a comic
subtle geyser
@warped escarp https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/media/stories/ here is everything you need
all comics and short stories
low umbra
Sorry if this is not the right place to ask but does widows full auto mode count as a smg or ar?
young knoll
since it is a sniper rifle, it is probably considered a rifle in general, though maybe not an ar
lament prawn
the size of it suggests ar
but its still presumably shooting those same sniper rounds
(the in-game mechanic to use up 3 bullets per scoped shot is probably just a way to balance it)
edgy spade
okok
what if the guy on the bottom left side of that old overwatch pic is the guy who made genji's suit/
?
low umbra
If it presumably shoots the same rounds it's more likely to be an ar
Also noticed on gamepedia it says Automatic assault weapon
subtle geyser
@edgy spade we dont know anything about him other than that he is a potential future hero and that he has been shown in 3 different images
worthy rose
Baptiste is in talon?????
iron plume
was
snow jewel
Did hanzo ever forgive Genji? Even after the meeting in hanamura
snow jewel
Ah okay gotcha
peak escarp
Hanzo has good potential for a character arc
peak escarp
she was originally an OR15, which were the public defenders of Numbani
but Doomfist smashed them and they were decommissioned
so Efi Oladele bought one and remodeled it into Orisa (with the help of her friends)
you're probably thinking of the OR14s from the crisis
snow jewel
Yep
peak escarp
snow jewel
I just watched honor and glory e.r
peak escarp
Orisa was one of these (much friendlier):
snow jewel
Also- from eichenwalde is it the city or numbani you can see in the distance?
peak escarp
it's Stuttgart, Germany
snow jewel
Also where bastion was heading in the last bastion short?
peak escarp
also Stuttgart
snow jewel
Ah okay it always looked like the same architecture
snow jewel
Ah the little details are amazing probs to Blizzard
peak escarp
you can learn a lot just from looking at all the details on the maps
snow jewel
Also where can you find the comics?
peak escarp
arctic loom
should have a orange skin for orisa like how bastion have
zenith prawn
Overwatch maps aren’t cannon right?
As in, they’re intended as a general representation of the feel of a location, rather than an exact recreation of the in-universe location.
peak escarp
the exact layout is modified for gameplay, but the locations are real places
zenith prawn
Right, that’s what I mean.
They’re representations of real places (in universe and IRL), but they aren’t exact recreations of the layout of a location in-universe (tweaked/modified for gameplay)
peak escarp
yeah
otherwise the way Rein and Balderich move around the map in Honor and Glory makes no sense at all
young knoll
Hanamura is pretty close to the cinematic I think
valid terrace
And Route
young knoll
I didn't count that since we only saw first point in cinematic
heck, only first part of first point
but yeah
young knoll
no, for Route
peak escarp
oh
teal trellis
frail haven
So
Its been a year
And a day since this came out
Best voice acting In OW as a whole for me
Also sigma is just extremely interesting and well written
swift mason
Sigma has the best origin story by far, not just for presentation, but for how he came to be so mentally insane
swift mason
But she already has a pretty basic origin story vid
Nothing too flashy, just enough for us to understand how tracer came to be
snow jewel
how was sigma brainwashed into talon? i understand that is was simple for them to do it since he had a really broken mind- but i always noticed how he says “what is that melody” or “that music, its playing again” is that tied to talon brainwashed sigma?
iron plume
The music likely references Music of the Spheres
which is a melody from space/the universe
so it'd have more to do with his initial condition than with Talon
snow jewel
ahh okay
cosmic crest
He isn't brainwashed, Talon is just manipulating him.
edgy spade
He’s not brainwashed, it’s probably after he went crazy, his mind grew some connection to that song, so they used it to control him
subtle geyser
@snow jewel they're the ones that broke him out of quarantine, i'm sure you'd be grateful for that too, especially if they're manipulating you into thinking they're the good guys
and give you the opportunity and funding to study your new gotten abilities
he's a scientist after all
snow jewel
He’s not brainwashed, it’s probably after he went crazy, his mind grew some connection to that song, so they used it to control him
@edgy spade well in a way it is a brain washing
ahh okay
subtle geyser
they arent using the song to control him...? where did you get that from lol @edgy spade
cosmic crest
@edgy spade That's not what brainwashing is.
snow jewel
ahh okay i just assumed talon did that considering the fact that they did that to widow and making her kill her husband
subtle geyser
his mind got torn apart by the exposure to the black hole, he has an unique condition so we don't really know all the symptoms
subtle geyser
yeah they probably don't even know how it sounds like
its just something he's hearing in his mind
peak escarp
they're manipulating him, probably telling him that his research will change the world
when really they're planning to weaponize it
winged bolt
So what happens after overwatch gets maximillion?
I was wondering since i saw the new uprising event mini film
peak escarp
snow jewel
but he escapes by punching a brick wall with his bare fist
snow jewel
but imagine getting defeated by little kids reaper and widow
winged bolt
Oof
Im still on sombra
Why did she let the russian lady LIVE?
widow would kill her on spot with reaper
But no sombra wants something
peak escarp
Sombra wants to blackmail her
snow jewel
well yes shes not fully committed to talon
peak escarp
she's in a position of power that Sombra can use to her advantage
subtle geyser
i think sombra is more of an associate to talon than actually working for them
edgy spade
Sombra doesn’t care about talon, it’s just a stepping stone in her grand plan
cosmic crest
I am incredibly frustrated that it's been nearly 4 years and we still know very little about what Sombra's deal is.
edgy spade
yea
she likes purple, she is a hacker, she smart, not really with talon, and wants to control world
all we have is
favorite color, ability, motive and other details
snow jewel
we have her name and her past
we also know that zarya knows a bit about her as she knows her child hood name which was long forgotten
iron plume
and wants to control world
that one's pretty debatable
It's just as likely that she's afraid of whatever forced her into hiding
and thinks it wants to control the world
limpid agate
She says it herself, she has an addiction to manipulating others
And information is power
If she can manipulate the one thing she feels has more information than her
Then she would have all the power
winged bolt
@snow jewel whats sombras past?
snow jewel
watch the origin story
winged bolt
Wait she has an origin story?
snow jewel
yes
winged bolt
Ooh i see
Welp i cant wait to see what happens now
Wait
Who started null sector? @snow jewel
Wasnt it talon?
snow jewel
no
light charm
I am a intro maker dm if you would like a intro. $5
snow jewel
i know it wasnt talon because talon was after the omnic crisis
peak escarp
Null Sector was also after the omnic crisis
snow jewel
oh really? too much robots e.e
winged bolt
Ahhh
welp overwatch better do something
@snow jewel will overwatch and its allies prevail in such a crisis?
will violence finally cease to exist?
limpid agate
1 more week
ocean elm
1 more week of what?
arctic loom
for a event of china
chinajoy where going have news about ow
nothing said if is ow 2
just said was ow
limpid agate
Could be the India map for OW1
peak escarp
India plays an important part of the lore
fringe blade
Last year's Blizzard Chinajoy exhibit was quite underwhelming
so im not sure if we can expect any big reveals
opaque tundra
I'm expecting more talents and redesigns honestly
lavish coyote
winston mei and tracer are all naive and annoying why are they running the new overwatch
pliant sparrow
Wouldn't say they're all naive
cosmic crest
Because Neo Overwatch consists of about 8 people currently and Winston seems to have been doing a decent enough job of running things. Also, whether or not you find him annoying is a matter of opinion.
edgy spade
Ha Lol winstons doin a decent job
grizzled lake
This channel is great for reading
Cause it's interesting to read
I'm never gonna write
hard sinew
Same
limpid grail
Hm not exactly lore related I don’t think but what do we think happened to Lucio at the end of the overwatch 2 cutscene. Is that the end of him?
limpid grail
Yeh that’s what I thought
What do you mean by placeholder. Will that not be the cutscene when the game is released?
peak escarp
correct
there will be a different cutscene when the game is complete
it probably had Lucio joining Overwatch officially, but they didn't want to show that, so they animated a placeholder
limpid grail
Ok thanks
lament prawn
considering the quality of the animation and cinematography, i think the only placeholder shot is the very last one where mei goes "lucio!" and the other characters are just standing there idly with worried expressions
even the shot right before it where lucio is getting swallowed by the explosions, i think the only placeholder thing about it is the explosion visual effects
he wont die, obviously, but i think the bulk of that cutscene is still there
graceful coral
Lucio is way too cool to die
peak escarp
yeah, they're not going to kill off any heroes
graceful coral
sadly
peak escarp
why would you want them to?
limpid grail
If they kill of Moira I’d be happy with that
peak escarp
they've said that if a hero is killed off in the story they won't be removed from the game
lament prawn
stop associating gameplay with lore
the "annoying mei/moira" memes got old 3 years ago
limpid grail
Ok, but I mean they are annoying
they've said that if a hero is killed off in the story they won't be removed from the game
If they said this then surely that might mean someone will die
lament prawn
if it will happen, it probably wont be soon
peak escarp
that seems like something that would happen at the end of an arc
limpid grail
That would probably be someone like rein,ana, solider or maybe reaper
peak escarp
Reinhardt seems most likely, due to his age and already having a replacement ready
waxen vigil
I wonder what would happen if soldier and reaper meet again? 🤔
swift mason
Rein is defenitely the most likely candidate to die in the story
limpid grail
Reinhardt seems most likely, due to his age and already having a replacement ready
Brig?
peak escarp
yeah
swift mason
Brig is his squire
lament prawn
ana kind of does too
peak escarp
Ana?
Pharah doesn't fill the same role on the team as Ana, and isn't even on the same mission
lament prawn
i just meant more in the sense of having someone that would try to honor her and fill her role as a general "fighter", not necessarily the same class in terms of gameplay
peak escarp
I wasn't thinking gameplay either
lament prawn
but yeah if this ever happens at all, they'd have to reunite first and pharah would have to end up in OW somehow
but yes, brig does have the same aesthetic as reinhardt so that would be maintained
personally i'd rather not have any of the two cases happen any time soon lol
peak escarp
yeah same
fringe blade
I'm not sure how a character dying would work from a gameplay perspective though
peak escarp
Mercy can't actually resurrect people
worthy rose
Then what is mercy doing?
edgy spade
regeneration boosts
her bone was like snapped and burned
how does the healing stream work tho?
is it like
cell streams
edgy spade
probly?
peak escarp
edgy spade
cuz she got freezed
arctic loom
in all past photos rein on overwatch
is always with white hair already
not with the one blonde
peak escarp
well, that photo was drawn before they had settled on the timeline
he should look like this:
peak escarp
Uprising was 7 years ago
the photo I posted is from 20 years ago
Pharah is the child in the photo
peak escarp
Mercy is a student visiting, and McCree is a new recruit - they're both 17
edgy spade
oo
arctic loom
so since overwatch returned im guess pharah going leave helix
and follow her dream
joining overwatch?
peak escarp
maybe
arctic loom
im know helix is a replacement for overwatch
but since overwatch is back so helix is not more
necessary?
peak escarp
Helix isn't just going to go away
Overwatch is operating illegally
if anything, Helix are probably the ones who are going to enforce the Petras Act
arctic loom
oh yeah have that
what makes me think if the authorities or government
going do something against overwatch
on ow 2
cosmic crest
Helix is a security firm, they were never a replacement for OW.
limpid grail
Do you think we will have an animation this year or not because of COVID-19?
peak escarp
it would have been started before this all happened
so maybe
animations take 8-12 months to produce
limpid grail
Oh ok
grand thicket
Soldier is gay
edgy spade
is helix gonna turn bad?
peak escarp
probably not
grand thicket
I think tracer is also gay
peak escarp
Helix is useful as an enemy faction for OW2 so we can play as Talon and have "good guys" to fight
@grand thicket yes they are
grand thicket
Is echo boy or girl
peak escarp
Echo seems to be female
vapid iron
Actually soldier is actually Cortana from halo
grand thicket
Ok
hexed laurel
Facts
vapid iron
So is echo
hexed laurel
Why is the overwatch community so toxic is the real question
vapid iron
This is r6 right?
peak escarp
Widowmaker is purple because they genetically altered her to have a slow pulse
grand thicket
Ok
peak escarp
to make her a better sniper
grand thicket
Was she altered in black watch
hexed laurel
They actually did that to her so she would stop being a bitch
vapid iron
Nuh uh she's actually thanos's secret stepsister
grand thicket
Ok
peak escarp
!!shitposting @vapid iron @hexed laurel
twilit nacelleBOT
@vapid iron Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
vapid iron
You're gay
peak escarp
and?
hexed laurel
!! @Doctor_Six gayposting
vapid iron
Nu uh
grand thicket
Is the Reinhardt group of warriors have small bodies with really big armor like torb
vapid iron
Nu uh CLYDE
hexed laurel
Ngl Reinhardt be giving me a boner
grand thicket
Ok thanks
fringe blade
It honestly always amazed me how much of a frickin beast Rein is without his armor
valid terrace
As far as I can see, Helix has 3 different paths for responding to Overwatch when they meet
Help or ignore them
Enforce the Petras act out of duty
Legally eliminate the competition
If they don’t go for one of the last 2 I’d be disappointed for the story and Pharah’s path
subtle geyser
echo is probably considered female, since she imitates dr liao
valid terrace
Right
subtle geyser
but there isn't really male or female in omnics, its probably just what they identify as or try to imitate
thats what i think at least
or how they were made
edgy spade
its just what they're coded to be
valid terrace
Yeah it’s not like with animals where you can just check
valid terrace
They are bad
subtle geyser
since well if an omnic with boobs was build it was probably intended to imitate feminine behaviour and has a feminine voice
valid terrace
We know they already do to some extent
peak escarp
we know Sanjay has ties to Talon
edgy spade
completely teams up
valid terrace
It depends how high up he is in Vishkar
edgy spade
to obliterate overwatch
fringe blade
Vishkar would be a pretty formidable foe tbh
edgy spade
what if talon orchestrated the omnic crisis to create chaos?
valid terrace
It’s more likely that Overwatch will eventually bring the fight to them, and Talon will offer aid
valid terrace
Especially with Lucio joining the crew
edgy spade
yeah
lucios gonna try and be the peacemaker maybe
and then the injure him
or capture him
peak escarp
I don't think Overwatch has much reason to fight Vishkar
valid terrace
Iirc Talon first popped up mid crisis as a petty looting and mercenary group?
edgy spade
yeah
but if they know that sanjay carpal is with vishkar and talon, they might try and take down talon too
*vishkar too
peak escarp
Sanjay being with Talon doesn't make Vishkar a target
edgy spade
good point good point
valid terrace
Vishkar causes problems for people, Once Talon and omnic related threats are dealt with, Vishkar will be high up on the priorities as a peace keeping organization
Overwatch has good reason to at least reach out to them to change
peak escarp
Vishkar's biggest crime is gentrification
peak escarp
which isn't illegal, people just don't like it
valid terrace
One of those things matters a lot more to our new Overwatch
peak escarp
Winston's Overwatch has more pressing dangers to be concerned about
and when Null Sector is taken care of, Vishkar will have all new areas to rebuild
valid terrace
I think Overwatch will take issue with the execution
edgy spade
wait
valid terrace
Just like they do with Helix’s peacekeeping
peak escarp
Overwatch hasn't said anything about Helix's peacekeeping
edgy spade
to hack all the null sector bots?
valid terrace
Talon has better resources and won’t stop her illegal activities
valid terrace
If they had something to offer maybe, but I doubt it
edgy spade
how does talon feel about null sector/
??
cuz like
its basically doing their jobs for you
valid terrace
We know Mercy’s perspective on Helix, and I can’t imagine the rest of them differing too much
valid terrace
Talon wants Null Sector to create chaos, to strengthen humanity, and make easy looting targets
peak escarp
it's what Doomfist and the mysterious omnic were plotting at the end of Storm Rising
edgy spade
ah
quaint hollow
i feel like talon might not ally with either side
they will just sit and watch everything unfold
limpid agate
Storm Rising pretty much confirms that Talon is siding with Null Sector.
Even going as far as to suggest they are orchestrating it
ocean elm
So doomfist was a martial artist and an heir to his families prosthetics company
But gave all that shit away cause he was like "fuck it, I im bout to irritate"
peak escarp
he was forced to give it up
because he lost his arm, and couldn't compete with a prosthetic
limpid agate
!!loreHeroes doomfist
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/doomfist#story
limpid agate
Its in his bio
But when he lost his right arm in the aftermath of the Omnic Crisis, it seemed his martial arts career was finished before he had reached his prime. His company's cybernetic prosthetics allowed him to recover from his injuries, even making him stronger, but these enhancements rendered him ineligible for competition. He tried to devote himself to his business with the same zeal that he had for fighting, but he found nothing that could fill the void… until he was given a new opportunity by Akinjide Adeyemi, better known to the world as the second Doomfist, the Scourge of Numbani.
And who said he gave away the company? He probably still runs it, or controls who runs it.
ocean elm
I mean its kinda hard to run a business while you're the ring leader of a terrorist organization
limpid agate
or controls who runs it.
ocean elm
Wouldn't it be cool if doom had a student and was running the company
limpid agate
Not really
I don't think a 4th Doomfist would fit. Especially given Akande's personality.
ocean elm
I mean there had to been a way the scourge took the title
fringe blade
i dont think Akande would risk the same thing happening to him as what happened to his own master/teacher
lone sluice
Zen
dapper patrol
I think as far as Akande goes he would not mind having a 4th doomfist taking over, provided the new one is stronger and better than him.
In a way that actuallys fits his wish for a future. His idea of improvement.
As far as the Cybetnetic company I am sure under the table Akande still has control over it.
Though to avoid the company from being officially associated with Talon and staying legit on paper he probably rule the company by proxy and a bunch of shells.
So as far as the Title Doomfist is concerned, it is kinda like a Sith Lord title... the strong one takes it.
hot briar
fringe blade
I am almost 100% certain that Doomfist wouldn't willingly give up the Gauntlet
I am also quite curious about Pharah's future storyline
How she will intersect with Overwatch and how Helix will tie into it
edgy spade
waitwaitwait
A tactician who uses his intelligence, charisma and brute force to build a stronger world.
what charisma
he has like
charisma lvl 0
peak escarp
Doomfist has very high charisma, what are you talking about
exotic furnace
barren flare
Are you going to fight him?
edgy spade
nah
barren flare
Then you'll kinda like him so that he wont not like you
valid terrace
He’s probably as approachable as warmongers can be
edgy spade
yea i guess
u forgot liars, evil villain gang leaders, and murderers, among other things tho
limpid agate
What's your point.
Charismatic and Villainous are not exclusionary traits.
The best example I can think of is Hans Landa from Inglorious Basterds
He is extremely charismatic. He is also a complete monster.
edgy spade
ok/
hard sinew
Can some1 explain what y'all are saying?
Are y'all saying doom is like rely nice even though he is a bad person?
limpid agate
No one is saying he is nice
We are saying he is charismatic
Charismatic != Nice
Charisma is compelling attractiveness or charm that can inspire devotion in others
hard sinew
Ty
limpid agate
Not necessarily.
subtle geyser
by being charismatic you increase the success rate of manipulation
primal escarp
out of curiosity, does anyone have a chart of which OW characters have interacted and meet with other OW characters?
or know of where I can find something similar to this?
and also the relationship between the characters
grand wedge
Doctor has one
peak escarp
re: Doomfist - he's the kind of guy you might agree with and think he's got a point . . . until he goes too far
worthy rose
Oh I didnt even know winston knows emily hahah
peak escarp
they had Christmas dinner together in Reflections
worthy rose
Oh well I dont know that much of the lore
cosmic crest
@peak escarp did you make that yourself?
peak escarp
yep
limpid grail
It’s impressive
How does sombra and that girl from the solider 76 short know eachother?
peak escarp
they might know each other, hence the dotted line
Alexandra knew Sombra's real name and told it to Zarya in Searching
limpid grail
Oh ok wow
Thanks
Also whose the man Hammond is friends with, who is also friends with road hog?
grand thicket
Who is the guy in the bottom right and what is his organization
iron plume
The organisation is Null Sector
the guy is from the end of Storm Rising
grand thicket
Ok
formal trail
Bro that chart is very well made
formal trail
Love the way you made the effort to put the random deadlock gang thugs in aswell
limpid grail
And the atlas news and everything it’s amazing
iron plume
Doc puts in the effort
hard disagree on everyone as a hero though
formal trail
Ah yes the random news woman now as a playable character
formal trail
It could work but it would be too many people having a second life
limpid grail
Yes true
iron plume
The mechs work different but at most two of them are significant enough to have a separate niche as a hero
limpid grail
I think casino would be a good addition tbh
Especially with the theories he works with talon
iron plume
casino would be fun lore-wise beause of the monaco/maxi connection
but he doesn't have to be a hero for that to be explored
Overlord would be the best gameplay one imo
limpid grail
Yes he would be great too
limpid agate
Ngl but every one there should be a hero in my opinion
A lot of those NPCs should never be heroes
Emily, Shaw, Portero, Volskaya, Max, Bruce, Ingrid, Sam, Alejandra and Efi are non-combatants.
The Helix members are just throwaway Helix members like Mirembe and Kimiko.
The Deadlock and MEKA members are more unique, but I wouldnt call them likely anytime soon. Especially not the Triplets and Bars.
Oh, and Dae-Hyun is also a non-combatant
Realistically, the list of potential heroes there are:
- Queen
- Mauga
- Lynx
- Null Sector
- Maybe Nguyen
- MEKA (NOT Dae-Hyun)
- MAYBE Deadlock
limpid grail
Same
I think queen would be good tho
Who is lynx?can someone plz explain the origin if that’s ok
limpid agate
They are from Zarya's comic Searching
limpid grail
Ok I’ll read that , thanks
limpid grail
He will be without a doubt
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Unnamed_Omnic
primal escarp
wait the genji and mercy romance is canon?
limpid agate
Not yet, but basically.
primal escarp
what do you mean, "basically"?
i thought the voice lines in the game were just poking fun at the fandom
cosmic crest
Evidently, he isn't as good as Sombra.
limpid agate
By Basically I mean
They have been heavily pushing and suggesting it
But it is not yet confirmed
We will probably see more in OW2
Lynx as a hero?
well all we know is a hacker
probably like sombra
That's about as much as we knew about Sombra back then too
As well as that she was an acquaintance of Reaper.
Just replace Reaper with Zarya.
limpid agate
She's been around for at least 20 years
She is the oldest known member of Overwatch that wasn't one of the founders.
limpid agate
She's a Captain
Same rank as Ana.
It is speculated that Ana died before the events of Storm Rising, and Sojourn took over her job.
arctic loom
well... have design of him on 2 but not means anything yet
limpid agate
No
All heroes
All 32 heroes
Whether or not they are joining Overwatch, or even in the story campaign
All 32 heroes are getting a new look
arctic loom
oh ok
now you have idea of who can be a support? from all the character who have appear on lore?
limpid agate
You mean among the potentials?
arctic loom
yes
limpid agate
Queen and Mauga are most likely tanks.
arctic loom
queen tank?
limpid agate
She is a mech champion.
limpid agate
I very much doubt that.
limpid agate
Yeah, I doubt that.
peak escarp
@formal trail I included everyone we had a name and face for and that wasn't dead
formal trail
Nice I respect it
dim scroll
Realistically, the list of potential heroes there are:
- Queen
- Mauga
I think that these two are basically a given and we will see them sometime after OW2's launch, if not at launch. I think the Queen would be a better support or DPS candidate rather than Tank simply due to the fact we already have two Junker Tanks (Roadhog and Wrecking Ball). Given Mauga's design, I don't think he could be anything other than tank.- Lynx
I don't think we'll see Lynx as a hero. Sombra already fills the "Hacker" type hero, and Blizzard likes to make their heroes unique. Plus, IDK what new story stuff they could do with them.- Null Sector
Outside of the unnamed omnic at the end of Storm Rising, I doubt that we will see any other NS heroes simply because they feel like mindless drones more than people. If the OW2 campaign adds more unique NS designs, and gives NS bosses personalities, then maybe we could see more NS heroes. Personally, I think that some NS skins for certain heroes could work, but not new heroes themselves.- Maybe Nguyen
I also doubt this one. He doesn't do much in the field, but we have had other heroes from out of left field before. In terms of story, I think Mauga already fills that slot of active Talon Agent who isn't super high up in the ranks. Granted, I think that the other Talon Units from Retribution/Storm Rising should get heroes too.- MEKA (NOT Dae-Hyun)
I agree about Dae-Hyun. He would probably fit in the same spot as Brigitte with armor stuff, from a gameplay stand point. The other MEKA Mechs would need some model updates in order to be in the game. They don't fit through most of the doors lol. In all seriousness, Plus, other than interacting with D.Va, they might not be able to add much to lore outside of some new info on the Gwishin.- MAYBE Deadlock
Given that we have two heroes from the Deadlock gang already (Ashe/B.O.B. and McCree), I doubt it.
peak escarp
JQ should call a mech down for her ult
limpid agate
@dim scroll I disagree with your representation arguments. For example, 2 of the 3 heroes associated with Junkertown are tanks. So what? 100% of the HLC heroes are tanks, all heroes who are or were gangsters are DPS, and all 4 (5 with Sojourn) heroes from the entire continent of North America are DPS heroes. Hammond and Roadhog being tanks has no bearing on whether or not the Gladitorial Mech Queen will be a tank or a dps (she will almost certainly not be a support).
Same goes for hacker Lynx. A second hacker gives them room to expand on the mechanic beyond what Sombra can do. Afterall, how many physicists do we have?
placid trench
JQ should call a mech down for her ult
@peak escarp who is JQ?
peak escarp
Junkertown Queen
peak escarp
most of her fame comes from being a mech arena champion
so they should include that somehow
placid trench
so her mecha would do what?
placid trench
hmmmmm
peak escarp
then it would expire and she'd eject
placid trench
ok
limpid agate
My speculation is that her mech is a reworked version of Recluse
placid trench
recluse would be what?
limpid agate
This is Recluse
Basically, the mech is just an exoskeleton
And Junkerqueen is dangling from it
A similar mech design elsewhere would be the Dishonored Tallboys
placid trench
her mech's shooting should be machine gun
like bastion
but less damage
i wanted a new junkertown hero
but we have 2 already so yeah
limpid agate
3
limpid agate
Junkrat, Roadhog, Hammond
placid trench
2/5
limpid agate
2 out of 5 what?
limpid agate
If that's your argument
peak escarp
he's associated with Junkertown, but he's not a Junker
limpid agate
Then its 1.5
placid trench
yes
limpid agate
Because none of the 3 heroes are residing in Junkertown
placid trench
i clicked wrong
limpid agate
Roadhog and Junkrat were banned
And Hammond left.
So currently, there are 0 Junkertown heroes.
placid trench
he's associated with Junkertown, but he's not a Junker
@peak escarp yes, he has lore in junkertown, but is not a junkertown hero
why can't i react to messages?
lament prawn
he is no longer a junker, but junkertown is a fairly significant part of his origin
especially being the champion
peak escarp
he would still be considered a "Junkertown hero"
McCree hasn't been part of the Deadlock Gang for 20 years, but he's still a "Deadlock hero"
oak vapor
Have y’all seen in the Overwatch 2 trailer when the lady asks if Overwatch is back and make a pose brig looks and bumps him like she has a crush on him
peak escarp
Have y’all seen in the Overwatch 2 trailer when the lady asks if Overwatch is back and make a pose brig looks and bumps him like she has a crush on him
@oak vapor ?
how does nudging someone to tell them to pose mean they have a crush on them?
white walrus
I love the version where Winston just says no
oak vapor
Idk just a theory
peak escarp
if Genji has a crush on anyone it's Mercy
oak vapor
For now and I agree but it could change who knows Jeff has to many surprises
peak escarp
Jeff isn't the one writing the lore
oak vapor
You know what what I mean
dim scroll
I disagree with your representation arguments. For example, 2 of the 3 heroes associated with Junkertown are tanks. So what? 100% of the HLC heroes are tanks, all heroes who are or were gangsters are DPS, and all 4 (5 with Sojourn) heroes from the entire continent of North America are DPS heroes. Hammond and Roadhog being tanks has no bearing on whether or not the Gladitorial Mech Queen will be a tank or a dps (she will almost certainly not be a support).
@limpid agate, the reason I think The Queen should be in the Support category is because it works best with the Archive's Style mission where there's a healer, a tank, and two DPS. It would make sense to have The Queen be a support so that she could fit that role in style of mission. In all likely hood, you are right and she will be a DPS or Tank as that better fits her character. As for there only being certain types of heroes from different places, like NA Heroes only being DPS, or Space Heroes only being Tanks, I don't think that we'll see any team-ups or Archives style missions with those groups. It's still possible to have a mission with the Junkers in Junkertown doing something together.
Same goes for hacker Lynx. A second hacker gives them room to expand on the mechanic beyond what Sombra can do. Afterall, how many physicists do we have?
As for Lynx, maybe I'm just uninspired at the moment, but I don't think that there's much more that they can do with the hacker thing, unless they take Sombra's hack and make it reduce cooldowns for teammates. I also don't get the feeling that Lynx is the type to actually be in the field. They are the "stay behind the computer and work from there" type, if you'll pardon the pun.
oak vapor
Ya
white walrus
a healer, a tank, and two DPS Walk into a bar
oak vapor
Ok
dim scroll
@oak vapor, I doubt that the Genji/Mercy relationship will change. It seems to be something they have built upon over several different mediums.
peak escarp
It's still possible to have a mission with the Junkers in Junkertown doing something together.
unlikely, since Junkrat and Roadhog have been exiled and WB left on his own
oak vapor
Ya I know
peak escarp
if there's going to be a Junker mission, it would either be outside Junkertown or involve different heroes
oak vapor
Or they could make a mission we’re they try and get in in ow2
white walrus
Or maybe it will involve junk rat and road hog breaking into junkertown
oak vapor
Probably not tho
white walrus
I mean there’s nothing stating that there will be only four player missions
dim scroll
@peak escarp, fair points, I hadn't considered those. 🙂
peak escarp
it's likely all missions will be 4 player
oak vapor
There will be more
white walrus
Ya but it’s not 100% confirmed
oak vapor
Ya I think 4 player is porobably it
dim scroll
@white walrus, as of right now, the Archives missions and OW2 Demo from Blizzcon 2019 are what we have to go on, and those are 4 player missions.
oak vapor
If any else maybe 2 or 6
peak escarp
the only thing all the PvE teams have in common is at least 1 support
limpid agate
the reason I think The Queen should be in the Support category is because it works best with the Archive's Style mission where there's a healer, a tank, and two DPS
dim scroll
The Odd man out is Retribution which has three DPS.
oak vapor
It would be cool if they made a zen genji mission like master and trainee themed thing
peak escarp
Play an active role in the next chapter of the Overwatch saga through a series of intense four-player missions. Fight back against Null Sector, uncover the motives behind the omnic attacks, and confront a rising wave of new threats.
PvE missions will be 4-player
untold hull
Pog
limpid agate
Queen/Hammond/Junkrat/Roadhog will never be a team for a story mission
untold hull
What an epic team
limpid agate
Because half of them are actively enemies of the Queen
oak vapor
@white walrus that would be a two
peak escarp
The Odd man out is Retribution which has three DPS.
also Junkenstein
worthy rose
Ahhhh
peak escarp
1 support, 3 damage
worthy rose
oak vapor
It would be cool if they made a zen genji mission like master and trainee themed thing
That could make a two
Player
potent vapor
lol tbh there can be a point where the Aussies and Hammond can team up.
Is if Null Sector or Talon will invade Junkertown for its resources or something. It can be a huge attack where the Queen reluctantly accepts Junkrat and Roadhog's help.
peak escarp
what resources? Junkertown is the irradiated husk of a dead omnium
potent vapor
Gold, hidden data. Dunno. I'll leave it up to the writers to retcon something.
peak escarp
potent vapor
Did they ever explain why Null Sector decides to attack Brazil willy nilly
peak escarp
they're attacking locations all over the world
we aren't told why those locations, but it will probably be part of the story
potent vapor
I think that they are attacking Brazil cause Vishkar is present there, though judging from the Blizzcon vids, we don't really see any Vishkar presence yet.
peak escarp
Lucio had already forced them out
potent vapor
other than that, I really do expect the Queen to appear in OW2's launch
oh, okay
Was that explained in the Orisa book or from Michael Chu's twitter
peak escarp
it's mentioned in Lucio's bio
Lúcio wouldn't stand for it. He stole Vishkar sonic technology that had been used to suppress the people, and he converted it into a tool to rally them to action. In a popular uprising, they drove Vishkar out of their neighborhoods. Lúcio's leadership made him a star overnight and a symbol for positive social change. His music skyrocketed in popularity. Whereas he had once performed locally, he was now filling arenas across the world.
potent vapor
oh, alrighty
peak escarp
he didn't become famous until he led the rebellion against Vishkar
potent vapor
so back to the point about a potential Junkertown level for OW2
if Null Sector is attacking cities willy nilly, I see some point in them attacking Junkertown.
peak escarp
if
limpid agate
They aren't attacking cities willy nilly
potent vapor
and especially if they want to introduce the Queen, what better moment would be if she is forced to step out to fight?
peak escarp
they aren't
limpid agate
Null Sector is an omnic supremacist group
They are attacking places where omnic and human tensions exist
Such as Paris.
potent vapor
So, Australia is def one of those places then.
limpid agate
Nah.
If they cared about that.
They wouldn't have taken Mondatta hostage and threatened to execute hin.
peak escarp
even if Junkertown was attacked, I don't think Junkrat and Roadhog would want to help defend it
they kicked them out
maybe Junkrat's treasure will come into play
I get so tired of people crying "retcon" all the time, like it's something that ever happens
peak escarp
Well that's a fine how-do-you-do! What do you think got us the boot? Stealing the queen's cash? Blowing up her summer shack? THE BEATDOWN AT THE BAR?!
ocean elm
Idk why but I have a feeling that maybe roadhog and the queen dated or something
limpid agate
That makes no sense.
ocean elm
I mean it's stated that whatever happened to the two was a personal, not anything that would have roadhog banished from junkertown and the queen is one of the two people that calls roadhog by his real name
Idk I'm just spit balling here
placid fulcrum
Roadhog used to be one of her enforcers. Maybe he refused an order?
limpid grail
Do we think junkrat’s treasure will change the story drastically or won’t be that big?
long temple
@limpid agate I thought Null Sector was more of a “we want a nation state for Omnics” kinda separatist group and not an Omnic supremacist one?
calm cargo
hey guys, i don't know much about the lore but i was curious about something, it might not be easy to get an answer on this but in your opinion in the lore who's the strongest hero ?
limpid grail
I’m not too good on lore either but personally I’d think maybe bastion because he is a literal omnic or doomfist because he is current main villain in talon and sombra knows everything about every hero
But those are my thoughts maybe I’m wrong
calm cargo
interesting 🙂 i didn't know about bastion, actually on the wikia i've read that doomfist was defeated by winston after he has taken genji and someone else before
so you still think he's the strongest ? maybe he was not at 100% too because he fought before
limpid grail
Perhaps
But everyone is strong because otherwise they wouldn’t be in overwatch
Or talon and so on
calm cargo
yea true
cosmic crest
I'm under the belief that Sombra is the strongest hero. She doesn't need to be physically present to cause problems for people.
limpid grail
Um does that mean u agree?
edgy spade
yeah
frosty totem
i mean yeah
formal trail
Reaper be like that HAT is a w
edgy spade
ye
valid terrace
Winston, Reaper, Sigma, Symmetra, and Orisa are the potentials that come to mind for strongest hero in lore
grand wedge
On pure strength the ehanced gorilla and the super soldier come to mind. So Winston and Reaper and 76. Then you have Zarya, Reinhardt and Doomfist ( tho Doomfist has cybernetics)
You have the Cyborgs next. Genji (and probably Sojourn)
And strength can also go with the abilities and technologies the heroes uses.
modern jackal
@grand wedge is that you
grand wedge
Well yes?
modern jackal
Long time no see
peak escarp
you put cyborgs after natural humans?
peak escarp
I'd rank them cyborgs -> supersoldiers -> Winston -> Reinhardt/Zarya
grand wedge
Yes you’re probably right
grand wedge
But rating them by strength seems rather silly because strength isn’t all that matter
hard sinew
Who do u think could cause the most harm not physically but like mentally I'd say sombra because she probably knows a lot of secrets but I feel like it'd be someone else but then again idk anything about the lore so idk
peak escarp
Sombra would be good at getting into your head