lore-discussion

[fringe blade]

What even happened to Mauga

I kinda forgot about him

[limpid agate]

He's someone they are revisiting

[fringe blade]

Oh yea

[valid terrace]

Like imagine the Gwishin instead creating a much smaller, faster fighter that can be replaced much faster than the big titan versions

[fringe blade]

Wasn't he supposed to have Sigma's kit?

[marsh scaffold]

yep

[peak escarp]

at least they won't be constrained to giving him the Heavy Assault kit

[marsh scaffold]

but mauga was deemed to dumb for it

not dumb

[peak escarp]

he got blown up at the end of WYLB, so they could really do anything they want and blame the difference on the explosion

[hard sinew]

@peak escarp how is brig related to rein

[marsh scaffold]

just not intelligent enough

[limpid agate]

They thought the kit was too smart for their resident berzerker

[marsh scaffold]

@hard sinew brig is reins squire

[peak escarp]

Brig is his goddaughter

[valid terrace]

Rein is her godfather

[peak escarp]

and his squire

[limpid agate]

Too passive/defensive

[hard sinew]

Idk what either of them are but thx

[marsh scaffold]

basically rein is brigs teacher

[peak escarp]

a godfather is someone who serves as an additional guardian in the family

[hard sinew]

Kk ty

[valid terrace]

They thought the raging war criminal didn’t fit the skill shot patient play style they had crafted for him

[fringe blade]

I love these 'game magazines' making predictions about the next Overwatch character. They literally have 0 idea about the game and just put down the most random shit

[peak escarp]

Reinhardt saved Torbjorn's life, so Torb let him name his youngest daughter and named him as her godfather

[fringe blade]

According to them, 'Dr. Winston is a likely candidate for a future hero'

Jesus, what a joke

[valid terrace]

Better than jet pack cat

Or ares

[grand wedge]

What was this article? XD

[fringe blade]

They have Volskaya too

Jesus

[hard sinew]

How tf did torb even have a daughter he's like 2"1 at best

[fringe blade]

THEY HAVE ANTONIO

bruh

[peak escarp]

sadly, there's people in the community who think Dr. Winston somehow survived being tossed out of the moon base and has been hiding for the last 13 years

[fringe blade]

They literally just put down all the characters from the Universe who arent in the game as likely candidates

JFC

[hard sinew]

How tall is torb like as a serious question

[peak escarp]

he's 4'7"

[fringe blade]

Ah yes, Gerard Lacroix is indeed Hero 33

anyhow

[peak escarp]

which is pretty tall for someone who probably has dwarfism

[hard sinew]

True

[limpid agate]

Gerard is dead

[peak escarp]

there is no way for characters to come back from the dead

[limpid agate]

Hero 33 is Sojourn

[valid terrace]

That’s the joke

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[peak escarp]

all the heroes who have come back from being "dead" weren't actually dead

[valid terrace]

It’s from some uneducated article

They probably think Mercy is evil too

[little sail]

how does mercy rez work in the actual lore

can she revive dead people or...

[grand wedge]

Like in Zéro Hour

[valid terrace]

Gif broke

[grand wedge]

No she can’t

[little sail]

oh

so what does it do

[valid terrace]

She touches them and they glow yellow

[grand wedge]

It’s some kind of burst of heal

[peak escarp]

I got you

[valid terrace]

Basically regenerates cells

[limpid agate]

She uses it on Mei in Zero Hour

[hard sinew]

Idk anything but who would logically make sense to be the next character

[limpid agate]

There are a few candidates

[grand wedge]

I want an archeologist

[limpid agate]

That's Hamid Faisal

Who is a good candidate

[grand wedge]

They have been teased for years

[valid terrace]

Ilios may finally be relevant

[limpid agate]

I have a list of candidates somewhere...

[little sail]

how can candidates are there

like the number of them

[valid terrace]

Technically infinite

[grand wedge]

Hamid or some other unnamed coworker/rival or something, I just want one to know what Talon wanted with the artifacts

[valid terrace]

But the ones we know have varying likelihood’s

[limpid agate]

Basically confirmed:
Mauga - Confirmed to be an upcoming hero eventually
Junkerqueen - Confirmed to be another character with big plans

Speculated:
Hamid Faisal - From Petra
Null Sector Leader - From Storm Rising
Sanjay Korpal - Vishkar higher up, Sym's boss
MEKA Squad - Casino, Overlord, King, D.Mon

[grand wedge]

Mauga and the Queen were requested by the community so they’ll be heroes, but not sure they’ll be there at launch

[valid terrace]

I want to know what the pink energon cube is

I don’t like just saying maguffin and calling it a day

[limpid agate]

Oh, and Lynx 17 is specualted. The omnic hacker from Searching

[hard sinew]

Idk who any of them are😔

[limpid agate]

!!wiki

[twilit nacelle]

For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/

[peak escarp]

this chart is old, but it's got names and faces for all the characters we know of

[limpid agate]

You can delete Echo and Liao now

And Sojourn

[hard sinew]

Ty

[limpid agate]

Surprisingly... Nobody to add

[peak escarp]

there hasn't been that much new lore since I made that

[valid terrace]

There’s the Zero Hour police

[limpid agate]

Eh

[valid terrace]

Same

[peak escarp]

just Hero of Numbani, but nobody in that really seems like a potential hero

[limpid agate]

Not just that

It sounds like she invented most of the characters just for the novel

Based on the Hammeh interview

[peak escarp]

yeah

[grand wedge]

Oh, he posted the interview ?

[valid terrace]

Nguyen may have potential I guess

[peak escarp]

doesn't mean Blizzard couldn't get inspired by those names and decide to do something with them

[grand wedge]

^

[limpid agate]

It feels like its too late for OW2 launch though

[peak escarp]

a lot of the names on my chart are probably characters just made up for those stories

[grand wedge]

They’re part of the lore now, they can do whatever they want

[limpid agate]

The only character who sticks out is the merchant

[peak escarp]

for launch yeah

[grand wedge]

Bisi could be seen alongside Doomfist still

[limpid agate]

Bisi might as well be dead

I dont think most characters from that novel will ever appear again

[peak escarp]

probably not

[limpid agate]

Bisi was arrested at the end

After Doomfist gave him the cliff

[peak escarp]

I think most of the launch heroes for OW2 will be new characters

Sojourn will probably be the only known character

assuming the launch heroes were the ones shown off to the press during Blizzcon

[limpid agate]

And Null Sector's leader

[peak escarp]

possibly

[limpid agate]

Him, Junkerqueen, and Hamid are the only 3 who I feel can fit the silhouettes.

[peak escarp]

it's hard to say without having seen them

and with having only a description of one

[limpid agate]

All we know is

• 2 females
• Yuffie with a Fennec
• Warlock with a staff

Or at least

That's all we have as leads

Could be wrong

[subtle geyser]

i think all of the cinematics are good visually but yeah the worst one story wise is probably hero since actual ow characters dont have too much screentime and the only thing we got out of it was that we know soldier was in dorado and following los muertos.
but like doc said, they're not bad, some of them are just worse than the other ones

@grand wedge also its not confirmed that he is null sector, but it is heavily implied just by using common sense, like for example his color scheme, the things he talks about with doomfist (applied to null sector it makes much sense) etc

and just story wise it wouldnt make sense for them to introduce another hostile omnic faction when we already have null sector they will expand on

null sector and talon working together just makes a lot more sense

[limpid agate]

also its not confirmed that he is null sector, but it is heavily implied just by using common sense, like for example his color scheme, the things he talks about with doomfist (applied to null sector it makes much sense) etc

It was confirmed on a stream at Blizzcon 2019

But I cant find the source

[subtle geyser]

ive looked for that confirmation and havent found anything

[limpid agate]

More specifically

That he was the leader

[subtle geyser]

and ive asked a lot of people and even posted threats, no one could provide a source

and whenever jeff talked about him he was being very mysterious and not trying to give out basically any new info about him

all he mentioned was that he is working with doomfist and the usual "we can expect more in the future"

so no offense but i won't really believe that he said it until i see it

https://clips.twitch.tv/TastyWrongSquidOSkomodo
hes revealing that they're in collusion and he's not a part of talon
https://youtu.be/zFRKYY0R2sw?t=1220

"Is that guy that took off his hood an Omnic or kind of like reaper"
Jeff: "He's an Omnic."
that's all he said here
i dont know if he talked about him in any other streams though, but no one seemed to have mentioned it to me at least

[limpid agate]

Its well after Storm Rising

If he said it, it would have been at Blizzcon 2019

But I cant find any records of Jeff being on stream at Blizzcon 2019

[subtle geyser]

was it at a panel or on a stream?

[limpid agate]

Definitely not a panel

That's easier to cite

The absolute latest is November 2nd.

If it was said, it was said prior to that

[subtle geyser]

i just dont see how theres no mention of "ominc leader" during the time of blizzcon 2019 if you google it

https://www.google.com/search?q=omnic+leader&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A10%2F28%2F2019%2Ccd_max%3A11%2F3%2F2019

i mean there would be at least one article or reddit post about it from someone

[grand wedge]

That's why I wanted a source, thank you for the informations you gave me 🙂

[subtle geyser]

https://redd.it/g30pu7
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/the-leader-of-null-sector/332809/10
some other threads of people discussing it

never found an actual source and many people just say it was "on some stream"

[limpid agate]

Thats me on the forum

[subtle geyser]

which user are you?

[limpid agate]

The one you linked

[subtle geyser]

ZeoDraconoid ?

[limpid agate]

That's not who you linked to

[pliant sparrow]

The one named jewvia seems like a pretty safe bet

[subtle geyser]

i linked two threads with plenty of users, you could just tell me your name

[pliant sparrow]

Sammy

Look at taigas discord profile name

[vernal cloak]

how is moira 6 foot 5 tf

[hard sinew]

That's kind of tall ngl

[umbral temple]

If reaper “is going to have some kind of darth Vader moment”
it would seem a bit lazy imo

[worthy rose]

I hope not Reaper is fine the way he is and we don't need a redemption arc

[limpid agate]

Most villains are like that

The ones who can have interesting stories of "redemption" are Hanzo and Symmetra

[valid terrace]

Technically McCree and Baptiste are already in a redemption arc

[worn oar]

wtf is lore?

[iron plume]

the stories, characters and worldbuilding

[worn oar]

i knew that

i just wanted to test you

[iron plume]

uh huh

[worn oar]

big brain

[iron plume]

and I wouldn't really call having a dark background but starting out after the face-turn a redemption arc

cause an arc has more than just the ending

[worthy rose]

Hey guys I have a question about Genji

[peak escarp]

shoot

[worthy rose]

So the Genji skins Baihu and Oni, is Genji mastering the White Tiger and Demon spirit part of a greater lore, like Hanzo mastering the Wolf spirit

[peak escarp]

the skins aren't canon

[worthy rose]

Oh

That wouldve been so cool tho

[umbral temple]

why does bap have a rifle

that’s a rule or somethin

he’s a medic

[peak escarp]

medics still need to defend themselves

[limpid agate]

Baptiste also isn't just a medic

He was a Talon Trooper

He has their gun, but with an attached healing underbarrel

[worthy rose]

He is a battle medic
He is in battles so therfore he needs a gun
He's a Medic so he needs to heal

[amber socket]

Did you know that Soldier is actually gay? (not trying to be offensive to soldier mains)

[hard sinew]

Who cares?

[peak escarp]

we all know this

[hard sinew]

Who doesn't know

[peak escarp]

it's not offensive

this is old news, and if you're saying it just to stir up trouble you can leave

[hard sinew]

How many LGBT characters are there?

[peak escarp]

3 that we know of, plus their SOs

Tracer and Emily, Soldier and Vincent, and Guillermo Portero and his partner Miguel

[hard sinew]

Ty

[stiff hamlet]

What happened to Vincent?

[peak escarp]

he moved on and got married

[stiff hamlet]

Dang

[hard sinew]

Poor soldier

[peak escarp]

he's dedicated to his mission

he doesn't have room for love

[hard sinew]

What's his mission?

[peak escarp]

to find whoever blew up the Swiss HQ and bring them to justice

he suspects Talon, but needs to know the truth

[hard sinew]

Ty

[subtle geyser]

soo about the cube in mccree

do we have any new info about it apart from the comic?

mccree's comic*

[limpid agate]

Nope

Here is a list of things from comics that are relevant or became relevant:
Dragon Slayer - Brigitte
A Better World - Sanjay
Mission Satement - Anubis
Legacy -> Old Soldiers -> Bastet
Reflections - Emily/Ingrid/Sam(/Reaper Family)(/Gency)
***Binary - Bastion and Torb ***
Uprising - Uprising/Null Sector
Masquerade - Max and pretty much everything we know about Talon
Retribution - Retribution

The big bolded ones are kind of important present day plot points for the story

[umbral temple]

does overwatch pay well

[peak escarp]

dunno

Winston had to pay taxes, so I assume he did get some money

[worthy rose]

I understand tracer kept teleporting through time but how does she have a hole in her torso where her heart and lungs should be and live!?

[peak escarp]

she doesn't

[worthy rose]

She does

[peak escarp]

the chronal accelerator doesn't go through her body

she wears it on her chest

[worthy rose]

In the cinematic 'alive' widow shoots through the chronal accelorator and kills mudata though?

[peak escarp]

no, Tracer recalls and dodges the shot

[worthy rose]

Oh

Ok

[peak escarp]

she can also take it off, as long as it stays near her (the charging dock might boost its range, so she doesn't have to wear it at home)

[fading pond]

is OW getting an animated series or something? IDK if it's fake.

[peak escarp]

there's rumors

and Blizzard would like to make a movie or series

but nothing has been announced

[fading pond]

Oh, ty

I'm afraid this game doesn't get a show or a movie if it dies. The story is really good.

[peak escarp]

it won't die

not for a long time, anyway

[worthy rose]

Is widow spiderwoman?

[peak escarp]

no, she just has a spider aesthetic

[worthy rose]

Okay

She sounds like one

She has amazing and interesting backstory aswell 😍

[fringe blade]

I think the way they did Widow is kinda clever, ngl

[swift mason]

Now that I think about it, the in-game spray of baby Winston feeding a little Hammond isn’t canonical for the timeline

Winston is currently 29, Hammond is 14, if we were to assume that the spray was taken in hammonds first few months of living, Winston would be 15, and very much not a Baby anymore

I am aware that not all sprays are canonical to the timeline, but this did get me thinking on their relationship

That also got me thinking on the ages of certain heroes, like are we to believe that tracer became a pilot at the age of 16/17/18? that’s crazy.

Sorry that was a bit of a rant

[woeful path]

Its just meant to be cute :(

[pliant sparrow]

Depends what Winston's growth rate was like

[umbral temple]

@swift mason speaking of Hammond, if tracer gets into a match with wrecking ball she sometimes says “I guess they’ll let anyone be a pilot these days.” maybe that means the requirements for being pilots are relaxed or something?

and that’s why when she was 16/17/18

[atomic cosmos]

tbh i like that poster the one where overwatch member using their uprising uniform...

[peak escarp]

That also got me thinking on the ages of certain heroes, like are we to believe that tracer became a pilot at the age of 16/17/18? that’s crazy.
@swift mason it's not that crazy

minimum enlistment age for the RAF is 15 and 9 months

with parental consent

[pliant sparrow]

What's the usual age for flying in the field?

[frosty shell]

She was a test pilot so she wasn't necessarily in the field

[peak escarp]

she also describes herself as a "hotshot"

so she's probably very talented, and that talent was what Overwatch was looking for

[limpid agate]

!!lfg @fierce creek

[twilit nacelle]

If you are looking for people to play with, check out the various LFG channels:
PC: #lfg-pc-na-ranked#lfg-pc-eu-ranked#lfg-pc-oce-asia
CONSOLE: #185665683009306625#lfg-console-ranked#633536790225092608

[limpid agate]

!!shitposting @strong snow

[twilit nacelle]

@strong snow Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[strong snow]

oh im sorry

[worthy rose]

ticc

vvv

eee

ee er

[umbral temple]

yeah me too

[arctic loom]

does widow regret

killing you own husband?

[peak escarp]

it's not really clear

[arctic loom]

she still visits him grave

[peak escarp]

she seems to respect his memory

but I don't think she feels regret

[fringe blade]

I honestly don't think we know how much of her past life she recognizes or remembers at all

[peak escarp]

her memory doesn't seem to be affected by her conditioning

she still remembers Gerard and her family

and she knows what was done to her (or at least the purpose of it)

[fringe blade]

I just think the question of her past memories and what the brainwashing did exactly is left a little vague

Like, I find it interesting that after the brainwashing, Amelie basically developed a brand new personality

And I doubt that that was part of Talon's plan

[peak escarp]

if you didn't have any emotional attachment to your memories or anything really, you'd have a different personality too

[young knoll]

what else would she have done?

[fringe blade]

I mean in the sense that she isn't just a brainless robot of sorts

[peak escarp]

we haven't seen Amelie's personality yet

[young knoll]

if they wanted a robot, they could have gotten one

[fringe blade]

I think the spider theme is the one that's especially interesting, honestly

She openly embraces what she once despised/feared

Identifies with it, even

She also got multiple tattoos of spiders that she didn't have prior to the brainwashing (I think?)

[young knoll]

could be that making her identify with something she once feared was a part of the brainwashing

a way to disassociate her with her previous personality

right is wrong, wrong is right, etc.

[fringe blade]

I agree

Its just another way of seeing how twisted her mind has truly become

I also think her name is quite clever too tbh

[young knoll]

it seems a bit too on the nose

[arctic loom]

roadhog and junkrat seems dont have any interest on ow or talon

just in explode things

and steal things

[fringe blade]

I mean, they kinda support Talon, indirectly

Not even Talon specifically, just chaos and mayhem in general

[arctic loom]

they would work for anyone

if they get paid

for it

[young knoll]

not omnics

[fringe blade]

^^

[young knoll]

hog maybe

[arctic loom]

yeah junkrat dont likes numbani

[young knoll]

junkrat would not

[fringe blade]

However, while Junk and Hog wouldnt work for Omnics, I dont think they are opposed to the Omnics' activities

[arctic loom]

roadhog dont likes junkrat

him just work with him for the money

50% each one to him work

[gray torrent]

Hey its weird how in the game you have tracer fighting winston with reaper

in some rounds

any explanation on why?

[young knoll]

the game is not lore canon

[arctic loom]

only missions

from archives

are canon

and some skins

[pliant sparrow]

Considering hog was part of the guys that destroyed the omnium in australia

He probably doesn't like omnics

[arctic loom]

queen of junkertown

doesnt likes him

[limpid agate]

Junkrat and Roadhog hate omnics.

More than Zarya and Torbjorn do, who each have worked with omnics.

[peak escarp]

all Junkers hate omnics

[limpid agate]

Zarya worked with Lynx and is okay with exactly Lynx.

Torbjorn seems to be warming up a little in general, and has taken in Bastion as his pet

[fringe blade]

Again, I don't think Junk and Hog like the omnics, but they probably like the fallout that the Omnics activities will likely cause

[peak escarp]

what do you mean?

[fringe blade]

Well, Junk and Hog like mayhem, right?

Its profitable and is their comfort way of living

[peak escarp]

what does that have to do with omnic activities?

[fringe blade]

Well, the conflicts between Overwatch/Humans and Talon/Omnics is likely going to cause more and more chaos and destruction. A huge chunk of Australia got destroyed and became a nuclear fallout area because of these types of conflicts

So the more fighting there is between Humans and Omnics, the more destruction there will likely be

[peak escarp]

they don't just like mayhem and chaos

they like causing mayhem and chaos

if Junkrat isn't the one doing it, he probably doesn't care

[fringe blade]

Isn't it easier to cause mayhem if the whole world is already in chaos as well?

[peak escarp]

I guess

[valid terrace]

He can appreciate anyone who is destroying bots

[fringe blade]

I think that Junk and Hog really do hate the Omnics and hate what the Omnics are doing to Australia, but I can't really see them hating the chaos that the war will bring, and seeing how the omnics are much more radical than humans in terms of destruction, I don't really see why Junk and Hog would 'side' with the humans'

[peak escarp]

they wouldn't side with either

[fringe blade]

I agree

[atomic cosmos]

they're neutral side
but if talon paid them they joined talon.

same like zen he is also on neutral side but if genji ask him to join winston's overwatch and he agree with the reason of probably saving this world

oh wait i forgot the good example of neutral character
right lucio...before Winston's overwatch helped him he is on neutral side and then joined winston's overwatch

[valid terrace]

Hammond is probably most neutral

Or Symmetra

[atomic cosmos]

symetra is with vishkar

but we see...one of vishkar personel is with Talon...sooo vishkar is not really neutral ?

[peak escarp]

it depends on what Sanjay's position is in Vishkar

and if Vishkar knows of his extracurriculars

I would consider Vishkar a neutral company

like Lumerico or Volskaya

[atomic cosmos]

what is null sector ?

[peak escarp]

they're an omnic supremacist group

[umbral temple]

what

vishkar isn’t volskaya???

[peak escarp]

The Vishkar Corporation is the Indian company that Symmetra works for, that uses hard light construction to rebuild cities

Volskaya Industries is a Russian company that builds combat mechs to use against the omnics

[worthy rose]

lucio also owns vishkar does he not?

his dad made it and then passed it onto him right?

theres a voice line in game about it

[valid terrace]

His dad worked for Vishkar and developed their sonic tech

They used it to suppress his people so Lucio stole it back and fought them off

[peak escarp]

yeah

[worthy rose]

ok

so symmetra may have worked with lucio's dad? fits the timeline I think?

[limpid agate]

Probably not

[peak escarp]

Lucio's dad was an engineer/inventor

Symmetra is a field agent

[limpid agate]

Symmetra is also a proper architech

[swift mason]

Lucio stole back the sonic technology that his father made, and he hated how his father was treated in vishkar

[limpid agate]

Symmetra: Your father was a Vishkar employee. He understood our company's vision. A shame he never educated you.

Lúcio: Stole? Psh. You need to go ask your bosses where it all came from; then we can talk.

[peak escarp]

Lucio has a poor understanding of employee contracts and intellectual property laws

[limpid agate]

Lucio is still a criminal

In Hero of Numbani he stole a Tobelstein to give to Orisa

Or rather, he knows people who stole it and got it from them.

[young knoll]

is he meant to be Robin Hood-esque?

[limpid agate]

Maybe?

[gray torrent]

Perhaps

[grand wedge]

In Hero of Numbani he stole a Tobelstein to give to Orisa
@limpid agate he stole it? I just thought he would buy one and give it to Efi

[limpid agate]

He all but explicitly says it was stolen

But also that he didnt steal it

[grand wedge]

I need to read the book again ^^,

[golden grail]

hog and junkrat r neutral too i think

[fringe blade]

They are neutral, as far as I know

They hate the omnics and are fairly disconnected from the Overwatch/humans end-goal, so id say they are neutral

[fiery zodiac]

Does Symmetra get any form of character redemption or is she really just an a$$?

[valid terrace]

She hasn’t discovered that her boss is Talon

Possibly the whole company

We have to wait for her story to progress

[umbral temple]

what am I missing with symmetra

I read A Better World

which is all she’s in?

[fiery zodiac]

Symmetra also has the meanest voice lines. Imagine out-condescending Moira and being pretty much racist toward Zenyatta.

[iron plume]

in what way is Symmetra racist towards zen

[fiery zodiac]

A Better World ended with what could be potential character development.

"Taking lectures on chaos from a machine."

She's a dick to Rein and Torb too.

[iron plume]

eeehhh

[fiery zodiac]

I'm a Symm main and I want to like her but damn

[iron plume]

doesn't stop the moira mains

[fiery zodiac]

I'm also a Moira main and I'd actually consider her Chaotic Good. It just so happens that Talon has what she needs: resources and freedom.

[iron plume]

uh
no

no she's not

[fiery zodiac]

How so

[iron plume]

when the "freedom" you need is to experiment on people without their consent or regard for consequence, you ain't good

[fiery zodiac]

Wait there are details on what made her experiments unethical?

[iron plume]

moira is at best a CN and even that is stretchy

[umbral temple]

and why is she chaotic?

she’s trying to science

[fiery zodiac]

Disregard for ethics and convention.> and why is she chaotic?
@umbral temple

[iron plume]

I'd put her in NE but I don't like the whole alignment thing in the first place

put it this way
she's not a moustache-twirling "evil for the sake of evil" villain

but if there's a Thing that advances her personal goals at great cost to others

she'll do that Thing every time

we generally call those people evil

[fiery zodiac]

Sorry but where did you get details on what made her experiments unethical?

[iron plume]

we don't know about the initial experiments

all the detail I need is that she joined a literal global terrorist organisation

[fiery zodiac]

Cuz the only bit I get a clue from is the self-experimentation spray and her interaction with Mercy

[iron plume]

Symmetra is misled, Moira knows exactly what she's doing

[fiery zodiac]

And the reason I place her at Good is because of her interaction with Symmetra, where we can draw a connection between what she's been doing (science) and what her goals are (making the world a better place)

[iron plume]

every villain outside of the most Saturday Morning Cartoon ones believes they make the world a better place

and so do a lot of real-life dictators

[fiery zodiac]

Symmetra is Neutral Good imo. Ironic that I don't place her at Lawful, but she's a covert field agent, which does break some laws.

[iron plume]

lawful/chaotic alignments aren't about outside laws, but about the strictness of the person's own moral code

at least in the way it's actually intended in D&D
but that's another reason I'm not a fan of the alignment chart for serious discussion

[fiery zodiac]

Oh ok I concede that I guess

[fiery zodiac]

Are there comics or shorts that get into detail on what Oasis is?

[valid terrace]

There’s a news article somewhere about it

!!LoreWiki Oasis

[twilit nacelle]

For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Oasis

[valid terrace]

https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/20457295

That’s what we know

[peak escarp]

@fiery zodiac from Moira's bio:

Dissent among her peers soon followed. Many considered her work to be dangerous because of its perceived ethical shortfalls, and O'Deorain was even accused of having the same unchecked desire for scientific advancement that some believed had caused the Omnic Crisis. In addition, other geneticists were unable to reproduce the results of Moira's research, which further called her discoveries into question. Instead of kickstarting her career, her paper seriously damaged her reputation.

[rigid wasp]

yeah i would def put her in neutral evil

[peak escarp]

her experiments were unethical (she experimented on people), and she either faked her results or lied about her methods, both of which are bad science

[worthy lodge]

time to shitpost
@narrow hearth 😎

[dim scroll]

This isn't the channel to shitpost in. This is for serious discussion of the lore.

[Serious] Discussion strictly related to the Lore of Overwatch. Fanfiction is not canon and should not be discussed here. Shitposting will result in loss of access.

[limpid agate]

Moving swiftly onwards.

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[candid juniper]

I love reading this channel bc it brings up parts of the lore that I wasn’t aware of
And I’m all for lore

[limpid agate]

If you ever have any questions, feel free to ask

[peak escarp]

there's a lot of information that you don't get from just playing the game

[candid juniper]

Yeah
I read a lot of the lore and still find new things that I didn’t know about some characters

[fringe blade]

Honestly, every time I watch the OW shorts again, I am always amazed at how high-quality they truly are

Every single time, and I have seen them dozens of times

[keen marsh]

Blizzard is Pixar confirmed

[fringe blade]

I would honestly say that the Blizzard and Pixar movies are on a very close level of quality

[peak escarp]

if they had the money and resources just imagine the movies SFD could make

https://youtu.be/XbxR1EGsk4M

[fringe blade]

They got the money for the WoW film

So anything is possible

Ugh, just thinking about the WoW film makes me sad

Honestly, I don't know if a fully fledged OW movie would end up being the same quality as the shorts

[peak escarp]

it would if it was done by the same team

[fringe blade]

I am a pretty big writing enthusiast, and writing a short story vs a novel are very different experiences

Also, I am a huge fan of the 'Hanamura Showdown' short

Which is technically not OW lore or anything

But its kinda badass

[peak escarp]

the one where Genji fights Diablo?

[fringe blade]

Yes

[peak escarp]

that one is pretty sweet

[fringe blade]

Maybe I am a fan of it cause two of the (arguably) coolest Blizzard characters have a showoff

idk

[peak escarp]

when you said "quality" I thought you meant in terms of animation

not writing

[fringe blade]

Ah

[peak escarp]

the writing for shorts (or any animation, regardless of length) depends on the writer

[fringe blade]

I agree

[peak escarp]

even good writers can have flops

like Shooting Star

[fringe blade]

I just think that a short movie and a full feature movie need different approaches

Story-wise

[peak escarp]

yes

you also have more time in a feature-length movie, so plot points can be built naturally without rushing

a 10 minute short means things have to happen quickly

[fringe blade]

I think its honestly a question of narration, or time, like you said

[peak escarp]

you also don't really have the time to have acts in a 10 minute short

[fringe blade]

Keeping up a longer narrative is harder in a feature film rather than a short

But I do agree with you

[peak escarp]

Hero of Numbani was formatted nicely and would be great as a film

[fringe blade]

I kinda forgot Hero of Numbani was even a thing tbh

[peak escarp]

but it only came out a month ago

how could you forget already

[fringe blade]

I'm pretty sure its been longer

I am also not a big fan of Orisa's story

I need to go back and re-read it

[peak escarp]

it came out June 4th

or 3rd

I can't remember

[fringe blade]

Feels like its been a while, weird

[worthy rose]

Anyone know when summer games is coming out?

[fringe blade]

Probably end of July

[worthy rose]

Thx

[fringe blade]

Depends on the year

Last year, it was in the middle of July

2018 was mid-August

So likely end of July-start of August

[atomic cosmos]

many claim it was written very well

even better than current overwatch story they said

[limpid agate]

I think itll drop 2-3 weeks from now

[fringe blade]

Are we going to be skipping the August short cause of OW2?

[grand wedge]

There was no august short last year already, I’m not expecting anything this year

Thy may keep stuff for OW2 launch or something like that, to brin g the hype and make people buy the game

[fringe blade]

Its kinda crazy that it has been 1.5 years since we had our last short

[grand wedge]

The last one was Zero Hour at Blizzcon, but yes, their budget is full on OW2 right no so that’s why I’m keeping my expectations low until the virtual Blizzcon

[fringe blade]

Probably more of a problem of manpower rather than money tbh

[worthy rose]

The lore is ur nan

[swift mason]

If blizzard was smart (but I’m aware that some of the decisions made were due to the current state of the world) they would’ve started releasing little tid-bids of lore and advertisement, I get that release date is hard to pin down right now but if they would at least give us an indication on how they are going on the production of OW2 it would keep us at bay for a bit, but for now, there’s nothing

[valid terrace]

They will probably start a good flow in the months leading up to the launch

But it’s too far off to release them at random

[candid juniper]

Yeah
I’d expect them to give us lore about OW2 so we know what to expect story-wise outside of the main plot
But anything could happen so

[valid terrace]

Maybe a news article or something

I’m holding out hope that there’s a big dump leading to the launch date

[candid juniper]

That would be neat

[lament prawn]

im curious when they'll reveal the actual release date

i hope its somewhere between now and the virtual gamescom, with all these online game events happening

[candid juniper]

They’d probably not say unless they are very close to finishing the game because they don’t want to force their production team to meet a deadline
Or maybe they have one and just won’t give it to the public in case they have to delay it

[ionic needle]

русские голда зайдите в комнату суки

[subtle geyser]

@ionic needle english?

[iron plume]

it's off topic either way

[subtle geyser]

id say we know the release date if we know when blizzcon is

[lament prawn]

you think its launching on blizzcon day?

[subtle geyser]

theyve given us next to nothing since blizzcon

[peak escarp]

Blizzcon has been cancelled

[subtle geyser]

i wouldnt say on blizzcon but whenever blizzcon is is a great indicator

online blizzcon, doc

[peak escarp]

they'll be doing a digital event, but not until early next year

[subtle geyser]

could be moved earlier

[peak escarp]

Blizzard is attending other events in the meantime, like Digital Gamescom in August

[subtle geyser]

they were also attending summer of gaming

and didnt announce anything for ow

[lament prawn]

i still dont understand why the delay part of the cancellation was necessary

like, they already have a functional online platform for viewing blizzcon

[subtle geyser]

theyre organizing something theyve never done before from home

ofc its gonna take longer theyre not familiar with it

[lament prawn]

thats true

[subtle geyser]

but that also means they dont actually know how long it might take

so it could be earlier, could be (doubtfully) later

id imagine they just said early next year not to disappoint people if theres nothing around blizzcon time

but its a great surprise if it comes earlier

[iron plume]

It would also presumably have online demos

which is something they've never made infrastructure for

[peak escarp]

they do have a platform for viewing Blizzcon online

[lament prawn]

i dont think it'll be moved earlier tbh, its an official announcement, they had to think about what they were gonna say

[peak escarp]

but they don't have the panels/presentations recorded

[lament prawn]

unless they said "maybe early next year", cant remember

[peak escarp]

or a demo system to allow people to play the games

[subtle geyser]

id assume they're doing a livestream for the panels

[lament prawn]

yeah i never thought about the demos

[subtle geyser]

would feel kind of weird otherwise

[peak escarp]

that stuff takes time to set up

[subtle geyser]

also its not really the same without the audience tbh

i love to watch audience reactions to the animated shorts and big announcements

[peak escarp]

why livestream something if there's no audience?

[lament prawn]

isn't that what the current online events are doing?

[peak escarp]

just record videos so your devs don't need to be available for 8 hours over 2 days

[lament prawn]

i do agree though, it doesnt feel right pre-recorded

at least pretend its live

[peak escarp]

I like seeing people's reactions

so I just watch the multitude of reaction videos that get posted afterward

[lament prawn]

same

hopefully this means more individual reaction vids on youtube

from the youtubers who would otherwise be at the event and cant record themselves properly

[limpid agate]

A livestream would function if there were a Q&A section

[subtle geyser]

thats true

although id imagine you can submit questions and they cherry pick whatever they wanna answer

[peak escarp]

better than taking whatever dumb question comes up first

[peak escarp]

(I'm still mad about the "is Reyes Mexican?" question from last year)

[grand wedge]

(I feel the same )

[young knoll]

why is that one bad? some of his costume choices seemed to hint that he was

was it already well established he was not?

[limpid agate]

Yes

We know he's American from LA

[peak escarp]

his last name is Reyes

it's pretty obvious that he is Hispanic without it being confirmed

also his appearance and his mariachi skins

[young knoll]

skins are not canon though, right?

well, many of them

[peak escarp]

no, but it would be culturally insensitive to give him mariachi skins if he didn't have that heritage

people complained about Pharah's raindancer/thunderbird skins until it was revealed that her father was First Nations

[limpid agate]

Yet no one complains about persian nomad Genji

[young knoll]

nor have I seen many complaining about the characters with Chinese skins who are not Chines

Chinese*

[peak escarp]

I have seen a bit

[young knoll]

I am sure some do

[limpid agate]

Zenyatta also has Egyptian and Indian base legendaries

[young knoll]

and Aztec

Indian makes some sense for him, technically, since I think he is Tibetan

[limpid agate]

Zenyatta has no nationality

If he does, we dont know what it is

[young knoll]

ah, that I right

I associate his name and the iris with that

my bad

[limpid agate]

Also, Tibet is part of China

Not India

[young knoll]

they were heavily influenced by India due to buddhism

but yeah, my bad

[limpid agate]

The Shambali are also based in Nepal

Not Tibet

[primal escarp]

Isnt Zenyatta a wandering monk?

traveling the world and helping those he meets

[peak escarp]

the Shambali are based in Nepal

Zenyatta was a member of the Shambali, but he left to help people on a more personal level

[bleak trench]

hey what was jacks ex-bf/crushes name again

[limpid agate]

His ex boyfriend's name is Vincent

[bleak trench]

tyyyy

[limpid agate]

!!wiki

[twilit nacelle]

For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/

[zenith prawn]

Any good sources of sym lore beyond the comic?

[peak escarp]

that's pretty much it for her so far

[worthy rose]

Hamston is Winstons brother

[limpid agate]

Hammond and Winston are not brothers

[worthy rose]

Oh Damn

That would of been cool if they were

[peak escarp]

that's not how biology works

[worthy rose]

Hey They could be brothers from another mother

[limpid agate]

They're not brothers.

Full stop.

[worthy rose]

They might be spiritual bros

[limpid agate]

They're not

Full stop.

End of discussion.

[worthy rose]

I'd like to think they are Geez

does anyone know how the spirit dragons work ? like genjis and hanzo

[peak escarp]

it hasn't been explained

they're not magic

[worthy rose]

so mans can just summon dragons

[peak escarp]

but what they are is unknown

best guess is hard light projections

[worthy rose]

dawg he summoned a fucking d r a g o n

they can’t just skim over it lmao

[peak escarp]

it's sci-fi

they don't have to explain everything

[limpid agate]

They behave identically to Symmetra's hard light orbs

They just look like Dragons

[worthy rose]

ahh

so zens like that too ?

or is he some god guru

[limpid agate]

We dont know what Zen can actually do

All we know is he has some ability to heal, and Discord doesn't exist

[worthy rose]

and one more question

since ana took mercy’s healing and when it touches enemy’s it hurts them , can mercy do the same or is that just for the sake of gameplay that ana can damage enemy’s

[peak escarp]

Ana has different types of darts

[limpid agate]

Ana has different darts

[peak escarp]

some heal, some harm

[limpid agate]

In universe, she just manually loads the correct dart

But that would be shit for gameplay

[worthy rose]

ahhh

thanks a lot for the help !

just weird questions on my mind

[worthy rose]

Who invented Hamstons voice translator

Was it Winston's dad?

[frosty shell]

Probably not

Most likely he got it after winning the mech fights in Junkertown

[limpid agate]

Or from the HLC

[dapper patrol]

i would say from the HLC or borrowed from the moonbase equipment

hammond probably have the translator already when he is in junkertown, that is probably how he can communicate with people there and get whatshisface to assist him in his battlebot/ball building

[limpid agate]

Bruce

[dapper patrol]

Yes that guy

pretty sure he is unlikely the type fluent in hamsterese

So highly likely either the translator is already in use during this relationship, or around that time

[tepid needle]

This is of topic but what became of the first doomfist?

[grand wedge]

We just know he was a omnic crisis hero

[tepid needle]

he could be a new hero

[zealous canyon]

they're not magic
@peak escarp Well, they are dragon spirits.

As mentioned in the animation Dragons.

[grand wedge]

It’s a story their father told them as kids

And they said there is no magic in OW.

[tepid needle]

how does he know?

[hybrid elbow]

no magic but spirit dragons in arrows?

and swords

i dont get how spirit dragons in arrows arent magic?

even if there were just spirits how tf are they in arrows n shit\

[tepid needle]

good point

[hybrid elbow]

thx

[grand wedge]

Because Jeff and Michael said there was no magic in OW.

So it’s some kind of technology but we don’t have an official explanation beside « it’s not magic »

It’s an SF world, not a fantasy one.

[tepid needle]

but Hanzo's bow is just a bow how does he do his stuff with no magic?

[grand wedge]

see my message above

So it’s some kind of technology but we don’t have an official explanation beside « it’s not magic »

[magic flare]

what year is ana born in?

[peak escarp]

60 years before Recall

[magic flare]

But what year does Recall take place in?

[peak escarp]

we don't know

it's ~60 years in the future, but we don't have an exact year

[subtle geyser]

@tepid needle the most popular theory is that its hard light technology, probably has something to do with his tattoos too since they glow up in the short

could easily be voice activated

[tepid needle]

cool

thank you

[fringe blade]

I think it would be interesting to see Hanzo use his sword at some point of time in the future

If he is able to come to peace with what he did

Since Genji has forgiven him, he just needs to find (inner peace?) and I think it would be cool to see him use a sword at some point

I'm also curious if Hanzo will finally join OW or if he will stay neutral still

I honestly don't understand why the forums love the idea of Dae-Hyun as a hero so much

[peak escarp]

no idea

he's pretty bland

maybe it's because they can't remember the names of the other MEKA pilots

[limpid agate]

he could be a new hero
The first Doomfist is most likely dead

The third Doomfist killed the second and claimed his gauntlet

Its likely the same happened between the second and first

@tepid needle

[fringe blade]

Its interesting that while the first Doomfist was a war hero in the Omnics war, the second Doomfist worked for Talon (IIRC)

[limpid agate]

Yup

[worthy rose]

Genji has ears on his helmet

Why

[pliant sparrow]

?

[worthy rose]

He has ears

I can’t post pictures

But he has ears

[limpid agate]

The part labelled 1

[valid cypress]

Aerodynamics

[frosty shell]

Or it looks cool

[polar jackal]

or he is deaf and need hearing aids

[limpid agate]

No

I think they just look like ears

They're not literally ears

[peak escarp]

they could be antennae

for radio/wifi

[limpid agate]

I think it's just a Sentai reference

[tame osprey]

its the thing that gives him super super speed

[subtle geyser]

i mean do we even know how much of his body still is intact below all that?

and do we know where exactly hanzos slash hit him?

i mean one strike won't really remove all your limbs suddenly, most of them should still be intact right?

[subtle geyser]

why would his legs get amputated too though?

it looks most likely that hanzo slashed through his arm and shoulder, and the slash also hit his neck

[limpid agate]

If the slash hit his spine

He would be paralyzed down there

[subtle geyser]

oh right

[limpid agate]

And it looks like

His spine was severed

[subtle geyser]

so they amputated his legs and replaced them in order to make him able to walk again

[limpid agate]

Which is why he has organs but no legs

And why his reproductive system works even though his legs dont

[subtle geyser]

how much of his armor can he even take off?

or rather "suit"?

[limpid agate]

Dunno

[subtle geyser]

i mean...

does he have to pee

if his organs are intact

how does he relieve himself xd

[limpid agate]

That part of his body works

So yes

He still has it

[peak escarp]

it could also be that his legs worked fine (his paralysis is a spinal issue) but in order to get the full cyborg upgrade they had to be replaced

[subtle geyser]

yes thats what i meant

i mean to be honest if your legs are paralyzed having them amputated and replaced doesn't seem like a bad idea

since they have better tech

[young knoll]

with how good cybernetics in their world is, it makes a lot of sense to replace anything you can with cybernetics

it is probably expensive though

[subtle geyser]

i dont think the modifications they did to genji are common though

its probably really exclusive

[young knoll]

that is also possible

[subtle geyser]

could also be unique

i mean, we've seen them experiment on genji

[young knoll]

some parts of it probably are

I doubt it is too different from the other stuff, but I do not know for sure

[peak escarp]

cybernetics might be better, but years of rehab and movement therapy and re-learning to use your own limbs probably aren't worth it

[young knoll]

I suppose it depends on perspective

personally, having limbs much better than the ones I have now is rather appealing

[peak escarp]

I'd be worried that they won't work the same

what if I could never draw the same again?

[young knoll]

it doesn't seem that is an issue with cybernetics in their world, but who knows

I doubt they intend to give lore on the nuances of adjusting to cybernetic augmentations

[peak escarp]

probably not

although they still need to tell us the story of how McCree lost his arm

[subtle geyser]

and they might elaborate on genjis recovery too

[young knoll]

I am inclined to think that the story is likely to be rather trivial, for whatever reason

like it being an accident or something

not some cool shoot out or saving a kitten from an explosion or soemthing

something*

it would be somewhat humorous considering McCree's general image

though a rollicking tale of adventure and intrigue would be good as well

[peak escarp]

there is an interaction where McCree asks Genji about it

they've focused on it too much for it to be an accident

[young knoll]

perhaps. I would like it to be a bait and switch, as I am not inclined to think that a more serious story would live up to the hype

[peak escarp]

it could still be a funny story

[swift mason]

Isn’t it implied that Moira was in cahoots with talon before overwatch’s downfall, like she did blackwatch as well as a talon scientist or something?

[timid eagle]

Implied, but never outright said.

[muted pecan]

Didn’t she go to Oasis after blackwatch?

And there’s an interaction between widow and Moira where she says “How are you feeling Lacroix?” and widow replies “I don’t feel. That’s the point isn’t it?”

Talon was responsible for brainwashing widow and making her not feel anything

[grand wedge]

Moira goes where the money for her research is. Talon giving her money and Oasis hiring her to be minister of genetics. Also, Oasis is all for scientific discoveries and knowledge, and may not look too closely to the means to achieve an end.

[swift mason]

Is there a voice line/interaction library somewhere because I see @peak escarp just pull voice line audio clips out of thin air, if there is, I’d like to check it out, so I can listen to the voices of all the heroes and their stories.

[grand wedge]

You can find some on gamepedia

But there is also a website that put all voice lines in packs - but you have to sort it yourself ( I’m on mobile right now can’t give you the link)

There is also Overwatch interactions channel on YouTube

[swift mason]

Ok thank you!

[white crater]

fuck you

[candid juniper]

Aight

[peak escarp]

@swift mason I'm getting the files from the gamedata

many of them are on the Gamepedia wiki as well

[amber socket]

Henlo

[candid juniper]

You can find a lot of stuff on the Wiki if you have questions
Like, props to the people who make and edit that stuff

[swift mason]

Yo there's a full overwatch soundtrack now

[limpid agate]

@zenith heron Dont try to @ everyone.

[worthy rose]

What exactly is zarya’s gravaton surge? If it’s a black hole like I believe could she technically match sigma in power

[limpid agate]

Its spawned by the Tobelstein in her gun

Its not on par with Sigma's power.

We don't know what kind of limits Sigma has.

[peak escarp]

it's a cluster of gravitons, which are particles that emit gravitational force

[limpid agate]

But what we have seen of him appears to be more powerful

[worthy rose]

Ooh I have a good one

Since it’s like her main thing in the game

Has mercy every actually raised the dead canonically

If so who

Aside from genji who I believe was barely alive but not dead

[frosty shell]

Nope

You are right about Genji being barely alive but not dead

[grand wedge]

She don't raise the dead.

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-mei-heal-healing-heal-up-gif-16218691

Her canon "rez" is that : a burst heal

[swift mason]

Can we talk about the new soundtrack for a moment or is it 'not lore'. Because I just want to say that it was a missed opportunity to include the soundtracks for the cinematic shorts. That is all.

[grand wedge]

There are some on the first soundtrack they released. But not the new ones

[boreal umbra]

[arctic loom]

have the first cinematic of ow

attack on museum

when reaper escape him shoot some bombs

im wonder why we not got a skill

of it

[frosty shell]

It was considered during development

Hence why it's in the short

[limpid agate]

There are lots of things heroes can do in the lore they can't do in game

Torb has wire traps

Sym can build bridges

Junkrat can make a ladder out of bombs

[hard sinew]

If that was in the game it would make it so much more interesting

But people would probably hate it

[slender spindle]

also,hog will kill you all!

[umbral temple]

???

[grand wedge]

!!lorewiki MEKA

[twilit nacelle]

For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/MEKA

[umbral temple]

is English more widespread in overwatch

[peak escarp]

all the heroes except Bastion speak English

[umbral temple]

yes but

does most of the population speak english

of the world i mean

[peak escarp]

I dunno

I wouldn't expect English to be any more or less common than it is now

[umbral temple]

oh

meka probably wouldn’t work in Korean right??

it’s not important I guess

[peak escarp]

it probably has a korean name

the real world Korean army is called the Republic of Korea Army in English, or 대한민국 육군 (Daehanminguk Yuk-gun) in Korean

[umbral temple]

yeah of course it would have a korean name, but since meka is like

like haha mech meka

[peak escarp]

Mobile Exo-Force of the Korean Army

makes me think of SCUBA

self-contained underwater breathing apparatus

it's an acronym that has come to be treated as a proper noun

or LASER - light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation

[umbral temple]

scuba is one of those?

wow I never thought about where that came from

[sick siren]

Could someone tell me what the deal is with Katya Volskaya? I never really read much of that and only started wondering when I heard the sombra interaction

[grand wedge]

Katya is a business woman - she owns Volskaya Industries, that build mechs to defend Russia against omnics. But she dealt with omnics to have some of their technology for her mechs, and Sombra is blackmailing her with that intel.

[sick siren]

Is that what Reaper refers to when he says he "knows what she [sombra] has been up to?"

[grand wedge]

(that's the story of Infiltration https://youtu.be/Og5-Pm4HNlI)

Well, he knows that Sombra is doing her own thing on her side - and he may know that she threw the mission on purpose. And Doomfist is kinda pleased with that, because Katya is more usefull alive than dead.

It was Vialli who ordered to kill her, while Doomfist was in prison.

[sick siren]

I love how mysterious it all still is.

[grand wedge]

Yes, Sombra is one of the best character for that

[sick siren]

Like I'm a big KH fan so I love mystery and subversion and lore, lore, lore.

@grand wedge does Moira think sombra is a huge threat to her? I mean, she probably knows Every thing Moira has ever done

[grand wedge]

They have no interaction in game iirc? So we don't know what they think about the other

[peak escarp]

they do have one

[grand wedge]

Which one?

[peak escarp]

Moira asks if she has started any wars lately

[grand wedge]

Ah yes

[peak escarp]

Moira probably doesn't like her much, but like Reaper, sees her value

it's hard to get a read on what Sombra thinks of Moira

[grand wedge]

Time will probably tell

[limpid grail]

I guess u could say that for the whole lore

[grand wedge]

That's why they are making OW2 and we are waiting for it

[limpid agate]

Hopefully there's a news drop at the end of the month at Chinajoy

I wouldnt count on a short though

[grand wedge]

Let's hope for some news 🤞

[lament prawn]

which do you think is more likely for OW2 news, chinajoy or the july 20th summer games fest thing?

[peak escarp]

Gamescom

[limpid grail]

Ugh why can’t we just have OW2 now that Gothenburg map looks so nice

[limpid agate]

We know Blizzard will be at Chinajoy

To showcase upcoming content for WoW, Hearthstone, and OW2 (according to Google Translate)

I don't speak Chinese

https://www.wowchina.com/zh-cn/news/18095287/2020暴雪游戏chinajoy你在，我们就在！

The worst case is info on like

Just 1 new thing

[opaque tundra]

Best case is more redesigns and maybe a comic :D

[limpid agate]

The best case is a short that also introduces a new hero

[limpid grail]

Yesss pls

[opaque tundra]

That is kinda wishful thinking to be honest. I think they'll showcase most of the good stuff through virtual Blizzcon

[limpid grail]

When is this Chinajoy?

[opaque tundra]

July 31st

[limpid agate]

The best case is wishful

The worst case is not

We are objectively seeing more of OW2

[opaque tundra]

I know it's old news by now, but I wanna chat a bit about Hero of Numbani and hear some other people's thoughts

Hero of Numbani feels like a big teaser in my opinion

[grand wedge]

It’s a big setup for Orisa and Efi joining the fight in OW2

[opaque tundra]

Definitely

Sombra hacking the omnics is another setup for the second omnic crisis

I really like the small world building too

We get a better insight on the timeline, because it was confirmed that Mondatta died before Orisa's creation, which means he died more than a month ago in overwatch time

[grand wedge]

The world building was nicely done yeah. Doctor made a nice timeline of the event of the book

[grand wedge]

And we knew that doomfist was still in prison when Mondatta was killed.

[peak escarp]

yes

[opaque tundra]

Nice

I'm trying really hard to NOT turn this into a book review because I wanna talk about the problems I have with the book and it's not totally lore related and stuff

[arctic loom]

cant mondatta be repair?

well im know him got a shoot in head

[peak escarp]

omnics can still be killed

I assume destroying their cpu would be the same as a shot to the brain

[limpid agate]

I'm trying really hard to NOT turn this into a book review because I wanna talk about the problems I have with the book and it's not totally lore related and stuff
You're free to discuss that too @opaque tundra

[opaque tundra]

Ok so like I really don't like the pacing of the book

The first 10 chapters drag on and then after Orisa's created, it's pacing goes waaaay too fast

[worthy rose]

My problem is the existance of the book itself.I wish we had a book of more important characters like Reaper or Soldier

[opaque tundra]

I would've loved a book about other less featured characters honestly

I wouldn't mind a book about Genji's backstory in detail

[peak escarp]

@worthy rose Reaper and Soldier have plenty of lore already

[worthy rose]

We still don't know much about Reaper after 4 years

[peak escarp]

Reaper, Soldier and Ana appear in more lore than any other heroes

mostly because they tend to appear together

[opaque tundra]

Another problem with the book that I have is that it failed on presenting a "hero's down fall". Efi deactivates Orisa at one point and Efi's all sad and stuff, but right when Lucio pops in, everything's automatically better. Even her parents, who were disappointed, were supportive because Lucio talked to them ONCE

[worthy rose]

So the book is bad?

[peak escarp]

you have to remember the book's audience

kids aren't really going to follow the plot if it's too complicated

[opaque tundra]

The book has good and bad parts but I'd say it's an ok book.
I don't think the audience is kids. Overwatch is rated T

[worthy rose]

I think sigma has a blackhole in his brain lmao

[peak escarp]

Grade Level: 7 - 9```

[dim scroll]

I think they'll showcase most of the good stuff through virtual Blizzcon
If OW2 is supposed to launch at the end of the year with the new next gen consoles, then we should be seeing some stuff soon. The virtual Blizzcon won't be until early next year. If we see some stuff at Chinajoy it might be something small, my personal thoughts are that we will probably see something during Gamescom's online thing as Blizzard usually has something there.

[worthy rose]

@worthy rose Sigma doesn't have a blackhole in his brain hes just insane

[peak escarp]

the game may be rated Teen, but the book was written with middle schoolers in mind

[worthy rose]

He has a spray its like a brain test looks just like a black hole lmao

[peak escarp]

it's just a reference

he doesn't literally have a black home in his brain

he would die

[opaque tundra]

Middle schoolers aren't dumb. Anyone could tell how rushed the downfall "arc" was

[worthy rose]

Can i send u it doe?

In dms

Dr 6

[limpid agate]

My biggest pacing problem was the final fight

[opaque tundra]

Yes

[dim scroll]

The sprays in game aren't necessarily cannon

Most of them are easter eggs to something else

[opaque tundra]

How did they make Lucio's gun huge without extra parts? I only remember a kid getting wires

[worthy rose]

Its when the goverment held him in a facility to test him before talon stole him

I have the pic but cant send it oof

[peak escarp]

@opaque tundra they rewired his gun into the amp from the concert

[opaque tundra]

Ooooooo

I guess I didn't really understand that part. Thanks

[worthy rose]

Yes that

Wait i can send pics using discord mojis

[peak escarp]

it's a combination of a CT scan and a black hole

the black hole in Sigma's mind is metaphorical

[worthy rose]

Wait ohhh

[peak escarp]

that image of a black hole was only published a year ago

if Sigma had come out sooner, his sprays would look different

[worthy rose]

Ooooo

[peak escarp]

(that image may have been what inspired the team to give him a black hole theme)

[worthy rose]

But holy they look similar

Oh

[peak escarp]

since the image was published April 2019, and Sigma was a rush job after they realized the kit they made didn't work for Mauga

[worthy rose]

Will Mauga be in Ow 2?

[peak escarp]

probably

they did say they want to use him as a hero

[worthy rose]

oh

[atomic cosmos]

it's possible for Talon to team up with deadlock gang right ?

[pliant sparrow]

Possible

But unlikely