well unless they try to use our current maps for soem missions then there is an excuse for cameo or antag
#lore-discussion
dapper patrol
nocturne terrace
Somebody tell me the backstory to Reaper pls
peak escarp
things happened (that we don't know all the details of) and he became Reaper and now works for Talon```did you read the story on his bio on the website
We know Reyes is enhanced in a Super Soldier program somehow
peak escarp
the Soldier Enhancement Program, run by the US Army
before that he was an officer in the US Army and an exceptional soldier
dapper patrol
We also know his current condition of powers is related to some stuff done on him by moira
peak escarp
right
dapper patrol
Technically we have some small bits of lore of him in the archives mission, but those are discontinued as overwatch1 as a game is basically abandoned. Further development would be in OW2
peak escarp
Overwatch 2 is a sequel
everything in Overwatch will carry forward
the Archives missions are still canon
atomic cosmos
@dapper patrol there is plenty much change from tracer's design tbh especially her vambrace/gauntlet/gunholster
subtle geyser
overwatch 2 is basically an expansion to the archive missions so they arent really discontinued
i wouldnt be surprised if we get new missions in ow2 like we got yearly during the archives event
thatd actually be nice if they continue the archives series and once a year we get to experience missions from the past that we dont know a lot about
peak escarp
the 3 missions we got for Archives were chosen to explain the fall of Overwatch and set up Null Sector as antagonists
if we got more historical missions, I hope they would be from a different period, like the omnic crisis or the Golden Age of Overwatch
peak escarp
Zenyatta will be part of the present-day story
distant adder
yay .
peak escarp
he's only 20, so there's not that much backstory to fill in
atomic cosmos
omnic crisis would be great histroical missions
especialy the part where torbjorn got his arm cut off and almost dying
pliant sparrow
Doubt they would put that in
limpid agate
I dont think that's the problem
White Dome wasn't a crisis mission
Emre isn't a hero
And Ana's gear wasn't invented yet
atomic cosmos
oh
undone storm
Emre isn't a hero
@limpid agate not yet, but I think he'll be a hero.
White Dome wasn't a crisis mission
None of the archives missions were set during the omnic crisis
valid terrace
But that’s what we were saying would be a good setting
atomic cosmos
it would be hard....with the game's rating
limpid agate
It would be fine with the game's rating
limpid agate
Orisa will probably show up
She just hasn't been officially confirmed
The novel heavily suggests she will
undone storm
Perhaps she will join the OW new foundation ?
I think a new recruit will be Baptiste
I am certain of it
He would fit
Besides, he probably know things about Talon that would help OW
limpid agate
We still have to see the Baptiste/Mercy meetup that was teased by WYLB
worthy rose
It’s been a long while since I’ve been invested in the lore, last I knew anything about widow it was the Christmas comic where she visited the grave of her husband, and back then people suspected that she might be breaking her mind control, any developments on that?
peak escarp
it isn't mind control
peak escarp
not brainwashing either
worthy rose
Maybe not that, I just know that’s why her skin is blue
peak escarp
it's conditioning
worthy rose
Her heart rate is super slow etc
worthy rose
But people back when that comic released suspected maybe it was wearing off or something
Didn’t know if anything had come of that
peak escarp
we did learn a bit about her from Chateau Guillard
it was a mansion belonging to her family, and she moved in and is renovating it
her wedding photo can be found around the map, which to me indicates that she remembers her life before Widowmaker
worthy rose
Low key want to see her come back to overwatch
limpid agate
Come back?
She was never part of Overwatch
She was a ballet dancer whose husband was the head of anti-Talon operations for Overwatch
They kidnapped her, turned her into a sleeper agent, and had her kill her husband in her sleep.
Then kidnapped her again, and turned her into a full fledged assassin.
Everything she does is her. She remembers who she used to be. She isn't that person anymore. Now she is a twisted sniper who loves killing
Because its the only thing that makes her feel like she is alive anymore.
worthy rose
Any lore about Moria I heard in the interactions looks like she’s responsible for widow and gabe
Transformation
limpid agate
Widow is pure speculation
But she did have a hand in the creation of Reaper
He hired her into Blackwatch to take a look at his genetics. (30 years ago, he already went through the Soldier Enhancement Program and gained enhanced genetics)
And then at some later time, presumably during the Swiss HQ incident
His life needed saving
And Moira saved it
And as a result, he is who he is now
worthy rose
Really interesting hope they make a cinematic about her
peak escarp
the "saved your life" interaction could be less literal than that
maybe her treatments cured a life-threatening condition
limpid agate
Maybe
peak escarp
or he was only able to survive the Swiss explosion because of her treatments
worthy rose
Could she double cross talon maybe looks like the type
limpid agate
She already double crossed Overwatch
peak escarp
she's not that strongly aligned with Talon's purpose
they just fund her research and probably give her subjects to work on
worthy rose
oooh
peak escarp
I don't think she cares what Talon does
worthy rose
Forgot they mentioned that in the origin trailer
peak escarp
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
hollow jetty
Is Genji a ninja-cyborg or a cyborg-ninja?
swift mason
Cyborg ninja
swift mason
Np
hollow jetty
Ok, Mcree. Cowboy with robot arm, or robot arm with cowboy.
umbral temple
dude this channel is specifically marked as [Serious]
limpid agate
!!shitposting @hollow jetty
twilit nacelleBOT
@hollow jetty Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
boreal umbra
ok
umbral temple
):
worthy rose
Can someone give me a bit of a rundown and summary of sigma
I understand that he has control of gravity due to a lab accident but he seems to have some sort of mental instability which is like explained
peak escarp
that's basically it
he lost control of a black hole experiment which left him with mental damage and the ability to control gravity
he was locked away in a government facility, but then Talon stole him out to use for their own goals
worthy rose
So other than his mental trauma is there any reason why he has an odd fixation in music?
peak escarp
the music seems to be an auditory hallucination
that might be the Musica Universalis
worthy rose
I know his origin video said the universe sang to him or something similar
peak escarp
worthy rose
Also, the video showed him being locked away but what exactly did he do
peak escarp
it's a theoretical idea, but Sigma may actually hear it
we don't know exactly what his experiment was
subtle geyser
he was a threat to peopel around him
peak escarp
he just says it was to "harness the power of a black hole"
peak escarp
right
subtle geyser
thats why they "quarantined" him
worthy rose
Oh so it wasn’t necessarily imprisonment for crimes
peak escarp
no
subtle geyser
and well, talon somehow found out about him and wanted to use him for their own benefit
now hes with them learning to control his power
worthy rose
Doesn’t that potentially make him the strongest character in the overwatch lore
Once he can control his power fully
peak escarp
possibly
but he's not a violent person
so it's unknown whether he would be willing to use his powers against people
subtle geyser
hes still getting manipulated by talon though but we dont really know much about the circumstances hes in right now
how they got him to stay with them, if he even knows how bad they are etc
worthy rose
I kinda want a cinematic about his retrieval and manipulation
subtle geyser
but you can definitely see moments where he enjoys using his power
worthy rose
Well honestly if I controlled gravity I’d be tripping no matter how I’m using it
subtle geyser
sigma and reaper have a lot of potential to being the strongest characters though, since sigma can control gravity and well reaper cant really die
tracers time control is limited, otherwise she'd be super strong too
subtle geyser
i meant more like how you see in the museum job
how she runs out of... time juice something
and it needs to recharge
if it was unlimited she'd be pretty broken
zenyatta has a lot of potential too but we don't really know how the iris works lore wise
or if it even works anything like that
peak escarp
the iris probably doesn't do anything
subtle geyser
yeah thats probably true
i can't really see how they'd explain religious abilities since that'd be pretty much magic
if it isnt technology
also sombra is pretty strong too since she has her translocator and invisibility, but that's just helping her survivability, not really her combat
worthy rose
I feel like sombra could potentially hack and control a person
subtle geyser
maybe an omnic but a real person? not really
subtle geyser
thats not really how things work
worthy rose
Idk, given the technology of the time I wouldn’t see it absolutely importable for her to use her powers to “marionette” somebody at least. Whether or not the actually implement that is doubtful
peak escarp
maybe if they were a cyborg, like Genji or Sojourn, and were mostly cybernetic
subtle geyser
if she had that ability she wouldve already used it most likely
worthy rose
True
subtle geyser
otherwise there'd be no need to intimidate people if you can just straight up control their body
worthy rose
Yeah there really wouldn’t have been a point to what she did in the Russia mission
peak escarp
Pharah is Ana's daughter
arctic loom
but both not meet yet again right?
arctic loom
and still curious about who destroyed arm
of mccree
maybe one of talon...
or a omnic
tough dove
Its probably Ashe.
In the end of Reunited Short, she says "and I will rip your other/another arm"
peak escarp
it wasn't Ashe
iron plume
Ashe says "I'll get bob to rip off your other arm"
but it's in the sense of "he already has one off"
peak escarp
she threatened to rip off his other arm because theres no point in ripping off a cybernetic one
iron plume
not that he ripped it off
tough dove
She says "I'm going to have him rip off your other arm"
peak escarp
also Reunion was the first time they had met since McCree joined Overwatch
pliant sparrow
Wonder if he lost it because someone was after the reward on his head
Like helix maybe
He's wanted dead or alive right?
peak escarp
maybe
pliant sparrow
Could've faked his death with losing his arm
To escape whoever was pursuing him
But then there's no one we really know of who would come after him other than maybe hog and junkrat
peak escarp
why should they go after McCree?
pliant sparrow
He has a reward on his head doesn't he?
They could use a middleman to collect the reward
pliant sparrow
Hmmm true
fringe blade
Honestly, it has always amazed me how much of a giant man Rein really is
worthy rose
Yeah I thought he just wore a big suit and was on stilts and stuff'
but that boi is BIG
limpid agate
Hmmm... Is Rein bigger than Sigma?
peak escarp
Sigma is taller than Rein in-game, but that includes him floating off the ground
so I don't think Sigma is taller
fringe blade
Isn't Bastion nearly Rein's height?
fringe blade
But would 7'4" be Rein's height with armor or without?
peak escarp
I'm assuming that's with armor
pliant sparrow
If you remove the space from the back of sigmas feet to the ground rein is a fair bit taller
True
But sigma is substantially tall
As in
In the 7' range
peak escarp
Junkrat is also quite tall, but he doesn't look it because he's hunched over
pliant sparrow
True
Same with doom
Doom is a giant when you properly look at him standing straight
atomic cosmos
i think they go after every ex-overwatch member
some are lucky because they're KIA ( Soldier and Ana )
like it's weird right for tracer to still equip her gun holster and chronal accelerator when going outside
peak escarp
well if Tracer didn't have her chronal accelerator she'd disappear
so she kinda needs it
atomic cosmos
but widowmaker broke her chronal...or deactive it ?
peak escarp
it was damaged
atomic cosmos
if she broke it how did tracer...survive till she meet winston again ?
peak escarp
it wasn't completely broken
compare that to the Doomfist origin, where it gets completely destroyed
atomic cosmos
well yeah doomfist just pull her back and ripped it apart
so that mean as long she still use the frame of chronal accelerator she is safe then ?
atomic cosmos
okay so she still use her chronal accelerator to exist but what about the gun holster ?
self defense in case there is assassin/mercenary going after ex-overwatch member ?
peak escarp
maybe
if she didn't have them, she would have been pretty useless against Widowmaker
atomic cosmos
i thought genji teach tracer some CQC when she is still trainee ?
peak escarp
hand to hand combat won't do much against a gun
atomic cosmos
well you're right i just remember the qoute '' don't bring a sword in gunfight ''
worthy rose
Oof
umbral temple
This is a serious channel
limpid agate
CQC also won't do much when you don't exist
umbral temple
I’m sorry what does cqc stand for
peak escarp
idk
subtle geyser
hasnt ana mentioned she sent two letters to pharah?
i think she either mentioned it in bastet or valkyrie
more probably bastet
peak escarp
yes, it was in Bastet
“I… left her a message,” Ana said.
“You’re sure you can leave things like this? It could be a
long time before you see her again.”
If ever.
Ana sighed. “She never responded to my first letter.”
Jack winced. “She’ll come around in time. She loves you.
Did you tell Sam anything?”
“I will, eventually. Maybe,” Ana said. “I made a big enough
mess of his life without having to give him the news. None of
us are very good at saying goodbye, are we?”```
sleek oak
we either need a movie or tv series based off this game. there is just so much that ties into this game.
peak escarp
I'm sure we'll get something eventually
subtle geyser
oh she didnt say explicitly multiple letters though
but it is implied that she tried multiple times
since she said
Ana sighed. “She never responded to my first letter.”
peak escarp
she sent a letter, which is the one she's reading in her origin trailer
and then before she leaves Cairo at the end of Bastet she leaves another message for Pharah
loud raptor
swift mason
This channel has been here for quite a while
lament prawn
since 2016
iron plume
Out of universe we knew since Reflections, which was december 2016
In universe we don't know but it's been a long while, since she talks about Emily in Storm Rising
marble ridge
limpid agate
Don't shitpost emotes.
sick siren
So I have. question - How old was everyone during The Venice Incident
Like how old was Moira/Reyes/Genji/McCree?
peak escarp
the Venice incident was 8 years before present
peak escarp
so Moira was 40, Reyes was 50, McCree was 29 and Genji was 27
you can also see their ages on the audio debriefing files that go with Retribution
peak escarp
40/50 year olds don't look that old
sick siren
Is it just me who thought Moira was eerily calm during Retribution?
Like she knew it was gonna happen?
peak escarp
she's just unflappable
grand wedge
That's a theory that exists - that she was a double agent / or was working with Talon already.
peak escarp
she seemed more amused than surprised
wise mural
Ok we are in a LORE channel. Lets talk about zen
peak escarp
why?
fervent jewel
tbh there's not much to talk about zen
formal crystal
Why does Lucio and Symmetra not like eachother? (thats what I'm assuming from the voice lines)
peak escarp
because Symmetra works for the company that is gentrifying Lucio's hometown
formal crystal
Im not good with the lore thing :/
peak escarp
and also took advantage of Lucio's father
formal crystal
Damn, i feel bad for lucio
Is there something he did bad? Or is Symmetra the villain in this?
peak escarp
Symmetra thinks her company is doing good
they have told her that they are making a better world for people
pliant sparrow
Gonna guess somewhere under 55 and past 35
peak escarp
conversely, Lucio stole property that legally belonged to Vishkar, and led a revolution against a company that had the legal right to be working in Rio
Lucio is technically a criminal
so neither of them are squeaky clean
formal crystal
Hm, shame :/
peak escarp
@pliant sparrow they're both 40, same age Moira was during Retribution
formal crystal
Is there a character in the game who does nothing bad?
pliant sparrow
Zen
formal crystal
True
peak escarp
I was going to say Orisa, but she does make mistakes
pliant sparrow
Orisa I guess depending what you count as bad
peak escarp
but she's still learning
formal crystal
I know none of the lores on any of the omnics
pliant sparrow
Mercy maybe
formal crystal
Or characters idc about
pliant sparrow
But I have a feeling she makes mistakes/bad decisions sometimes
peak escarp
Mercy has made mistakes
formal crystal
Didn't she revive gabe? Or am i dumb
pliant sparrow
Could we say bastion or echo?
pliant sparrow
Seeing as bastion was never used during the war
peak escarp
she did save Genji's life though
formal crystal
Bastion shot down a forest
pliant sparrow
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
formal crystal
But in his defense, it was probably cause of trauma or something
pliant sparrow
Does it count as him if he can't control the programmed response
formal crystal
Well, technically they did it, but it wasn't his fault really
I keep on calling bastion a he, even though it doesn't have a gender
peak escarp
I think someone had a list of heroes who have never killed anyone
sick siren
@peak escarp I think she knew Talon's attack plan so she could essily clear a path whilst minimising talon casualties and keeping herself alive
peak escarp
they all knew going in that Talon was going to have resistance
and of course she would have wanted to keep herself alive
I think she knew that her experiments would have an effect on Reyes, but didn't know what
so when Reyes goes against his own plan and blasts Antonio out the window, she seems amused
a sort of "huh, that's what it does" sort of reaction
Genji doesn't seem surprised/shocked either, he just gets ready to fight
McCree is mostly upset because this was very out of character for Reyes
hard sinew
Six do u have that pic of all ow hero's and who there friends n stuff with?
peak escarp
some members of Blackwatch joined Talon after Overwatch fell apart
Reaper and Moira are the main ones, but there are others
hard sinew
Ah ty
atomic cosmos
wait i heard the author having hard time while researching lore for the book of numbani
i thought jeff and the boys/girls have like a giant book filled with overwatch lore ?
peak escarp
yeah
dotted lines are speculation
it's a bit outdated - we now know that Torbjorn didn't rejoin Overwatch, and that Genji did
pliant sparrow
Rivals
atomic cosmos
oh
pliant sparrow
From their gaming years
peak escarp
"complicated" is a catch-all for other types of relationship that didn't get their own category
atomic cosmos
mercy is former ? she did joined winston's overwatch right ?
pliant sparrow
She said she was against overwatch didn't she
atomic cosmos
yeah she did said
atomic cosmos
overwatch was shutdown for a reason maybe it's best to stay that way
something like that
pliant sparrow
Not sure when that mindmap was made
atomic cosmos
yeah when you think about it why did she answer the recall
sick siren
" ***it felt like they had an entire army against us. The situation was highly dangerous. But the commander made the tough decisions, kept us on mission, and we got the job done. ***"
pliant sparrow
Where is that from?
atomic cosmos
oh said by mccree ?
sick siren
Moira.
atomic cosmos
oh
pliant sparrow
That reeks of indifference
sick siren
It also seems like a template
Like a "this is what to say if....." dealio @pliant sparrow
"The "and we got the job done" says it all , really. Moira just views it as another job in the way of her true plan. "
atomic cosmos
soo she needed some budget in order to finish her '' true plan '' ?
peak escarp
limpid agate
How old is that
peak escarp
there, updated to include Sigma
sick siren
She's a lot more like doomfist in her methodology. Advancement and any cost.
peak escarp
also cleared up the speculation that got confirmed/deconfirmed
limpid agate
Might want to add Null Sector
And its unnamed leader
Since they're a big deal again
hard sinew
This lore stuff is interesting bit so confusing
atomic cosmos
yeah for now i hope OW2 will helped us
sick siren
Would OW and Talon ever align to take out Null Sector?
atomic cosmos
i feel it's more like Talon and Null sector align to take over the wworld
pliant sparrow
I could see null sector potentially backfiring on Talon
sick siren
So does that mean Moira could have been one of the driving forces of the omnic crisis?
atomic cosmos
would love something unexpected
sick siren
Something tells me the story will be OW v Talon v Null Sector with occasional alignments of goals that lead them to interact
pliant sparrow
Alignment of goals is doubtful
They're very much against each other on pretty much every topic
sick siren
I mean if they both need something and battle for it
Then Null Sector shows up and it turns into a free for all
@pliant sparrow
sick siren
As much as I would LOVE to see a Moira Mercy team up (as reluctant as that would be) I know it's never gonna happen
peak escarp
on its own for now, but there will probably be other characters and more relationships to fill in in the future
it's unlikely Moira was involved with the omnic crisis
she was 18 when it started
D.Va is the only hero without a relationship to tie her to any other hero
Junkrat and Roadhog only have each other (and a speculated friend-of-a-friend connection to Hammond)
limpid agate
NS and OW enemies. If you make it swap places with Atlas, there's room for the line
peak escarp
sooner or later I'm going to rearrange the whole thing, so I'll fit that in there when I do
sick siren
Another question - Did Moira know Widow before she was recruited to Talon?
"How are you feeling, Lacroix?"
"I don't feel, that's the point isn't it?"
peak escarp
probably not before
but they will have met since Moira joined
Moira may have even taken over her care
(some people suspect she was the one responsible for it in the first place)
sick siren
Moira may have been been on missions with Widow
She's know stranger to field work, anyway
peak escarp
true
limpid agate
Most people in Talon know her name is Amelie Lacroix
Or at least, most of the ones that are heroes
Doomfist, Reaper, Sombra, Moira, and obviously Widowmaker
Baptiste might not know, but he left years ago.
And Sigma probably doesn't know, but he doesn't really know anything
atomic cosmos
i feel baptiste is just a foot soldier on talon
peak escarp
yeah, he probably didn't spend much time with the elites or the leaders
atomic cosmos
unlike reaper
peak escarp
closest he ever came to Doomfist was probably at a speech or something
he's basically Finn
atomic cosmos
that's cool
peak escarp
Widowmaker seems to be a special agent
and specifically on Reaper's team
I wouldn't be surprised if he picked her because of her past
fringe blade
Kinda off-topic, but it honestly amazes me that it has been almost a year since Sigma's release
atomic cosmos
i think widowmaker is Disposable ?
like look at her mission
Sniper duel with ana amari
Assassination of Gerard and Mondatta
that mission is dangerous for solo mission
fringe blade
Considering her abilities/skill-set, I don't think Talon would want to lose an agent like her
I think that the dangerousness of her missions comes from their belief of her ability to handle them
peak escarp
Gerard's murder wasn't that dangerous
she killed him in his sleep
and in all her other missions, she was miles away from any danger
that's the perk of being a sniper
fringe blade
I get what Kittysune means, but I don't think disposable is the correct word to use
atomic cosmos
yeah i can't find the other suitable word for that
fringe blade
Considering she is probably one of the best snipers (?) out there, I doubt Talon would want to lose her
atomic cosmos
even as sniper any mission can be danger if you're behind enemy line..
alone probably with no backup or assistance
peak escarp
that just shows Talon's confidence in her abilities
atomic cosmos
well they did trained her to be the best
fringe blade
Did her and Ana's showoff happen after or before Widow's modifications?
peak escarp
after
atomic cosmos
after the assassination of gerard ?
peak escarp
yes
atomic cosmos
well that explain why ana hesitated since by that time widow's skin already blue
fringe blade
I don't think its because of her skin
atomic cosmos
her eye ?
fringe blade
I think it stems from the fact that Ana couldn't just shoot an old friend
lament prawn
its because she recognized amelie as a loved one, and was confused/surprised to see her as an enemy sniper
peak escarp
atomic cosmos
nah i mean she instantly could recognize that she is gerard's wife
peak escarp
she hesitates because se recognizes Gerard's wife
fringe blade
Considering Gerard was a big part of Overwatch, there's a good chance that Ana and Amelie were friends of some sort
peak escarp
and realizes that she must have killed them, rather than someone else killing both Gerard and Amelie (and then I guess taking her body?)
fringe blade
And that too
peak escarp
they definitely would have met
fringe blade
I still think Ana would be a better sniper than Widow
peak escarp
Overwatch leaders' spouses were probably invited to dinners and parties
fringe blade
I would think the Overwatch founders/leaders were good friends too
So Amelie and Ana didn't necessarily have to meet at a formal event
peak escarp
that too
atomic cosmos
well gerard is good friend with gabriel
fringe blade
I would think they would all be good friends, no?
peak escarp
Gabe was a theatre kid, and Amelie was a ballerina . . . I wonder if it was Gabe who introduced Gerard and Amelie
fringe blade
Its a question of experience vs. training
pliant sparrow
ana trained extensively as well
umbral temple
widow might be better since Ana is using her other eye
fringe blade
You can't really compare Ana's training to Widow's training though
they were trained differently, and it would be quite unfair to compare them
pliant sparrow
Brainwashing isn't training
fringe blade
they didn't only brainwash her
they trained her to be the best assassin that she could possibly be
hard sinew
Was widow the one who was brainwashed?
fringe blade
considering she specializes in using a sniper, they probably mainly focused on sniper shooting
pliant sparrow
That's the point of a sniper
hard sinew
Idk much about widow but all I know is she uses snipers and assassins don't only use snipers
pliant sparrow
The biggest advantage widow has over ana right now is Ana's eye and widows younger age
fringe blade
Though I would probably agree, Ana in her prime was likely better than Widow
pliant sparrow
Yeah
pliant sparrow
Due to Ana's shocked reaction
pliant sparrow
So in terms of efficiency widow is better?
fringe blade
Again, its kinda hard to judge
hard sinew
I'm assuming widow shot Ana?
fringe blade
Yes
hard sinew
Where?
fringe blade
In the eye
peak escarp
technically the bullet didn't hit Ana
fringe blade
Though I am curious, why didn't Widow just kill her?
peak escarp
it hit her scope and the scope shattered and lodged itself in her eye
fringe blade
Was it on purpose?
umbral temple
it would be incredible if that was the plan and she pulled the shot off
pliant sparrow
A shard of glass in your eye will usually leave you immobile for a bit
fringe blade
That's a strange thing to do though
Why shoot the eye when you can just go for the head
pliant sparrow
Um
peak escarp
pliant sparrow
You wanna take a second look at human anatomy
peak escarp
Widowmaker was aiming for her head
fringe blade
There's a difference between an eye and the head though
atomic cosmos
@pliant sparrow and don't forget they experiment widow's body so her heartbeat is slowed
so i think she doesn't need to take a breathe before taking a shot
umbral temple
“Janina Kowalska”?
valid terrace
Polish Jane Doe
pliant sparrow
But jesus how did that not damage Ana's brain?
peak escarp
dumb luck, I guess
atomic cosmos
widowmaker did aim for her head
but wind direction exist and she kinda panic ?
peak escarp
she did have amnesia for a while
atomic cosmos
cybernetic eye is durable i think
fringe blade
I am pretty sure the name is also grammatically wrong, from a Polish stand point
valid terrace
Bullets are still moved by wind, even in Overwatch’s time
pliant sparrow
She didn't have time to line up the shot, especially against a sniper who already had her in their sights
atomic cosmos
that is the only time we saw widow make expression ? because the preassure that ana give by shooting her mask ?
she know that ana become her highest threat when that happen
pliant sparrow
Wouldn't you be pissed after someone shot you in the head and knocked you off your bike
atomic cosmos
i will
pliant sparrow
Whilst you're trying to complete a mission
pliant sparrow
Widow was on the street level
peak escarp
they were both in buildings
peak escarp
travelling on?
hollow jetty
Why is Widow purple?
iron plume
A side effect of her physical conditioning, most prominently slowed heartbeat
hollow jetty
Why purple?
limpid agate
Have you ever seen someone choking
iron plume
The vague scientific justification is less bloodflow → less warm color
Like a choking person
The real reason is rule of cool
limpid agate
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dim scroll
This isn't the channel for that bro.
limpid agate
@frigid imp No begging. Final warning
frigid imp
I’m sorry
worthy rose
Guys why havent soldier and reaper killed one another yet
peak escarp
because Reaper likes to monologue and Soldier has plot armor
umbral temple
because Reaper likes to monologue and Soldier has plot armor
peak escarp
well? am I wrong?
umbral temple
no I just thought that was funny
pale horizon
d
subtle geyser
well it would be kinda hard to kill reaper anyway
marsh scaffold
i have a question
if reaper can wraith and dodge bullets and hammers
why cant he go through walls
also can reaper fly?
peak escarp
he can't go through walls because he's still made of something
he basically turns into a cloud of cells
peak escarp
he can still get shot
he also has accelerated healing
and he can kinda fly, not not very far
valid terrace
That argument is like saying that since people can go into a pool and the water moves out of their way, that it should be impossible to even contain water in the pool in the first place
All he’s doing is creating gaps in himself so the bullets go through
He can’t go through a solid wall just by breaking apart
subtle geyser
walls are way too dense for him to go through, its like trying to push air through a wall, it doesnt really work that way
subtle geyser
he just basically turns into a gas like state
marsh scaffold
yea
valid terrace
It’s unlikely that he could fly, but he may be able to glide down
It seems like he always floats at normal heights
marsh scaffold
he flies in comics and animate shorts
i think
in recall he flies up to winstons computer
and in the old soldiers comic he flies away after ana pins him down
subtle geyser
how does he go away in the museum cinematic? he just holds onto widow grappling right?
peak escarp
I think what we saw in Recall was a representation of his Shadow Step
valid terrace
He’s probably just a dense gas like Sulfur
peak escarp
Wraith form is more like what we see in Infiltration at the beginning
valid terrace
Like if he jumps first or is already in the air, he can get better verticality, but it’s more like a slow fall than flying
marsh scaffold
yea prob
reaper gets funnier the more i think about him
like he's this spiteful murderer fueled by hatred and vengence
but he's so edgy
also hes like 60
valid terrace
He’s very gloaty and egotistical
valid terrace
At some point he’s probably going to have some kind of Darth Vader moment when he wakes up for an instant to do something right
He’s easily the most irredeemable character but him staying completely evil doesn’t really fit the universe imo
peak escarp
he's not being controlled
marsh scaffold
i dont think reaper can be redeemed
valid terrace
No, but he did start down a path he certainly didn’t have to, and it’s led to nothing good for anyone
subtle geyser
well hes not really controlled but his anger is definitely amplified thanks to what moira did
peak escarp
from everything we've seen, Reaper appears to be doing exactly what he wants to be doing
subtle geyser
its more like influenced
eager kite
Heyyo
marsh scaffold
hi
valid terrace
Confronting his actions on a personal level may at least spark some guilt
Like finding McCree again
marsh scaffold
he murdered former ow agents
valid terrace
Or having an actual conversation with Ana
marsh scaffold
i dont think he feels any guilt
valid terrace
He didn’t know them and doesn’t dwell on it
peak escarp
we don't know who he killed
valid terrace
He only sees it as a mission and we don’t know why
peak escarp
they could have been people he knew and worked with
marsh scaffold
bro it would be cool if genji and cree confronted reaper in ow2
or even in a manga or animated short
i wanna see that
peak escarp
McCree meeting Reaper is the one thing I've been waiting for
I want to see that more than anything
peak escarp
they'll be fine
marsh scaffold
i hope so
valid terrace
The main story feels a little constricted, but the story of each character is where the real potential lies
marsh scaffold
yep
there are so many things they could build upon
like sym and lucios conflict
peak escarp
they'd have to really jump the shark to screw it up
marsh scaffold
i mean i trust the bliz story team the most
all of the animated shorts, comics, and short stories have been good or great
they dont fuck up like the balancing team
valid terrace
I’m most interested in the characters on the tipping point where their options are so drastically different
marsh scaffold
like characters that could either join talon or ow?
peak escarp
those three have interesting potential for story
valid terrace
She will have to choose between following her dreams or the law
valid terrace
She does have a comic
marsh scaffold
the comics more of a short character arc
peak escarp
Pharah has to choose between trying to join Overwatch and fulfilling her lifelong dream, and sticking with Helix and possibly being one of the people who has to oppose Overwatch and enforce the Petras Act
valid terrace
Still more than Zen I mean
peak escarp
and there's also the conflict of how she will handle her mother being alive
valid terrace
Yeah
marsh scaffold
she already knows
peak escarp
she knows, but we haven't seen her reaction
peak escarp
does she feel abandoned? betrayed? relieved?
marsh scaffold
not just for the game itself but also for the story
peak escarp
and what if she finds out that Ana was the reason she was never invited to join Overwatch?
marsh scaffold
pharahs relationship with ana confuses me tbh
wait nvm
it just all clicked in my head lol
valid terrace
Pharah wanted to be like her mom, while Ana knew the horrors that followed that lifestyle
She wanted to keep her safe, at the cost of her dreams
marsh scaffold
im not sure
peak escarp
we don't know too much about where she spent most of her life
peak escarp
we see her with Ana and Overwatch as a child, and we know she joined the Egypt military
marsh scaffold
can i ask something
valid terrace
Of course
peak escarp
that's what we're here for
marsh scaffold
why do ppl like reunion so much
peak escarp
because cowboys are fun
valid terrace
Because McCree mostly
peak escarp
also McCree
marsh scaffold
lmao
peak escarp
my favourite short is The Last Bastion
valid terrace
A lot of people actually complain about certain parts
I like Zero Hour if that counts
marsh scaffold
my fav is honour and glory
valid terrace
Same besides ZH
marsh scaffold
last bastion is close second tho
i dont like zh that much tbh
the action is fucking gorgeous
but other than that its meh
valid terrace
Every time I see the gang start showing up with that score it gets me
marsh scaffold
yea lol
valid terrace
Also the beginning plane scene
marsh scaffold
the part where genji deflects the rockets gives me goosebumps every time
peak escarp
Blizzard's cinematics team really knows how to tug at those heartstrings
marsh scaffold
yep
valid terrace
“Ice to meet you”
valid terrace
Most say Hero
peak escarp
the swell in the music when Genji slices the titan's hand . . . perfection
marsh scaffold
its either hero, rise and shine, or shooting star for me
actually rise and shines not that bad
peak escarp
the heroic music when Balderich faces down the OR14s alone, the slow-mo when Reinhardt bursts through the wall . . . pure genius
marsh scaffold
it just disappointed me
valid terrace
I don’t like it much
limpid agate
Neither of them are shorts for heroes in game.
One is a Alejandra short, and one is a not-D.Va short.
marsh scaffold
i dont like rise and shine because i dont feel anything when her friends die
its fine but it doesnt hit me in the feels
peak escarp
what about when Mei watches Winston's message? does that make you feel?
fringe blade
Honestly, its not a bad short, but I think that its bad when you compare it to some of the other shorts we have
peak escarp
we feel sympathy for Mei, not for those who died
marsh scaffold
yea all the shorts are good
valid terrace
Maybe it’s just her accent, but I just don’t feel like her lows swing low enough to touch me tbh
peak escarp
at the least, they're good entertainment
marsh scaffold
^
fringe blade
Its honestly crazy how, after watching Dragons for the 500th time, I still get chills
marsh scaffold
i think the action in hero is good
limpid agate
I love the Los Muertos design
marsh scaffold
^
marsh scaffold
dragons was my fav at first
fringe blade
Honestly, Honor and Glory amazes me
marsh scaffold
but my enjoyment of it died down after a while
honor and glory makes me cry every time
fringe blade
Because its incredible that they make us cry about the death of a character we have basically known for 5 minutes
marsh scaffold
yea
young knoll
honor and glory is the best, I think, then reunion
fringe blade
And its not even a 'lore-awareness' kind of thing
I showed it to my mom who knows nothing about Overwatch and she got teary at the end too
Honestly, most Blizzard cinematics are great
marsh scaffold
the music in honor and glory is really good too
peak escarp
rating them as just short films, not for lore content, my top 3 are The Last Bastion, Reunion and Honor and Glory
marsh scaffold
i still dont understand why ppl like reunion so much
peak escarp
for lore content, my top three are Infiltration, Recall and Zero Hour
marsh scaffold
besides the mccree & ashe dynamic its just a average short with solid action
fringe blade
valid terrace
The pie looks great
marsh scaffold
yea
fringe blade
The voice actor for McCree is incredible
peak escarp
also I love McCree, but it also introduces us to the Deadlock Gang and to Echo, and sets up McCree's side of the story
fringe blade
Matthew Mercer is amazing
peak escarp
I'm sure we'll get the "business" he's taking care of
fringe blade
The buisness part might just be a clever one-liner
marsh scaffold
maybe he's hunting down reaper
peak escarp
it's a great snapshot of McCree and Ashe's characters
marsh scaffold
ye
fringe blade
I honestly think Alive is kinda underrated
marsh scaffold
but it doesnt have the emotional beats of honor and glory or the last bastion imo
alive is really good
solid A tier
fringe blade
Maybe I just dig the London/Neo-Noir feel of it, idk
valid terrace
Alive runs a little slow, which is fitting tbh
young knoll
the last bastion was pretty decent too
fringe blade
It still amazes me it has been a year since Sigma's release
marsh scaffold
alive and infiltration show the characters of widow and sombra really well
fringe blade
Time flies, jesus
young knoll
all of the shorts are good, really
young knoll
but Honor and Glory stands out to me, as well as Reunion
marsh scaffold
that ones just average
young knoll
shooting star had its moments
fringe blade
Shooting Star is pretty good
marsh scaffold
i dont like it
fringe blade
I kinda enjoyed it, in some ways
valid terrace
At least it fleshed D.Va out beyond gamer icon
But she’s barely relevant, so people care less
marsh scaffold
yea but i feel like they kinda pulled her arc out of nowhere
young knoll
plus it established the change in gwishin attack patterns
peak escarp
she doesn't have ptsd
valid terrace
The Korea conflict is entirely contained, so any additions or changes to it mean little
peak escarp
it would have been much better if they had shown D.Va putting on her act, then switching back to her normal self
marsh scaffold
what do you mean by act
valid terrace
Drink Nano Cola!
peak escarp
and if when she suddenly realized she needed help she didn't immediately solve her own problem
marsh scaffold
lmao
i see what they were going for with dvas character arc
but the execution was poor
marsh scaffold
rise and shines fine
peak escarp
there's basically 2 D.Vas - there's the bright bubbly celebrity who endorses nano cola and hams it up for the camera, and there's the calm, mature girl who fights to protect her country and is willing to put her life on the line
valid terrace
I agree, but it tells a better story than most
marsh scaffold
@peak escarp that would've been so good
but shes stiff for most of the short
also i really dont like daehyon or whatever his name is
fringe blade
Dae-hyun
marsh scaffold
hes annoying at best
marsh scaffold
yea that voice line is really clever
peak escarp
they need to show more of her real personality in her voice lines
fringe blade
The short just allows us to see that D.Va isn't just a geeky nerd who plays video games all day
peak escarp
not just memes and gamer slang
marsh scaffold
honestly they couldve made dva similar to rein
fringe blade
wdym
peak escarp
she does have a bit of a hero complex
marsh scaffold
they couldve made her to be
peak escarp
she thinks she has to save Busan herself
peak escarp
when she has a whole team behind her
fringe blade
But that's not really overconfidence though
Hero complex is probably the best way of describing it tbh
fringe blade
You also have to remember, she is like 18-19
peak escarp
I can see what they're trying to do with it, but they haven't done a good job showing it
marsh scaffold
^
fringe blade
Young adults do tend to be irrational at times, don't they?
young knoll
never
peak escarp
they've done too much telling and not enough showing
fringe blade
I think the issue they would face there is that D.Va isn't really part of the main storyline
marsh scaffold
because we dont know much about korea
fringe blade
So expanding on her story wouldn't bring the main storyline anywhere, not really
fringe blade
It sets the setting a bit better
valid terrace
They follow side characters
peak escarp
when/if she crosses paths with the main story, she'll get more attention
fringe blade
There are still quite many characters that haven't interacted with the main storyline yet
peak escarp
fringe blade
And while I am sure they would love to expand on it, the mixed reactions that the short got just kinda shows how people react to side storylines
I think
valid terrace
I think The Last Bastion is the only popular short that doesn’t involve a core Overwatch member
And he will be later
valid terrace
Wdym
fringe blade
Most shorts are centered around key Overwatch members
peak escarp
there's also Infiltration
marsh scaffold
the last bastion isnt even an ow short
grand wedge
Was it confirmed the unknown omnics was null sector?
fringe blade
I think there are (3?) shorts which dont focus on the Overwatch members
marsh scaffold
its just a short about a robot waking up
grand wedge
I thought it was just a theory
fringe blade
Just like Shooting Star, its done as a way to set the setting
And introduce a character's background
marsh scaffold
most shorts are there to introduce a character tbh
grand wedge
What was said exactly about him?
valid terrace
I think it’s about half background, half plot development
fringe blade
I kinda hope they don't make him into a character
marsh scaffold
@grand wedge unless its an unknown faction, null sector is the only possibility
fringe blade
Playable character*
peak escarp
Jeff said that he made plans with Doomfist that had to be put on hold while DF was in prison, but now that he's out those plans can resume
and now Talon is teamed up with Null Sector
marsh scaffold
its also more likely since one of ow2's main villains is null sector
peak escarp
so logically, that puts our mystery omnic in league with Null Sector
valid terrace
Not from Zarya’s perspective
peak escarp
and Maximilien doesn't seem like the type
grand wedge
I agree we need a vilain omnic that is not Max
peak escarp
fringe blade
Max is kinda a shitty villain, honestly
valid terrace
A Gwishin envoy would be rather interesting
A small intelligent fighter rather than the titanic ones seen prior
grand wedge
The Gwishin for now have a very non human design
fringe blade
Most heroes are fairly humanoid though
valid terrace
Besides most tanks
limpid agate
Other than the mechs and Orisa
grand wedge
A hamster on a ball and a quadruped is quite ok for animation tho
fringe blade
Orisa is kinda the exception, i guess
grand wedge
A squid ? Complicated
limpid agate
And Hammond
fringe blade
but she is kinda like a comparison of a centaur and a human, i guess?
she isn't humanoid, per se
but she has features which makes her seem fairly human
She is much closer to being humanoid than the Gwishin though
limpid agate
So
limpid agate
The only problem with inhuman designs is hitboxes
And Overwatch has massively drastic hitboxes
peak escarp
they'd have to find a spot for the critbox
like on turret-form bastion, they stuck it on the back
fringe blade
I can see how one of the Gwishin could be an in-game ability of someone or something
Like Junk's Rip-Tire or somethin
peak escarp
for the Detonator, the critbox is beneath the armor that breaks off as it loses hitpoints
valid terrace
Heavy Assault has several
limpid agate
The only reason they wouldn't make a dquid a hero is because those particular squids have no character
valid terrace
Right
limpid agate
Key word, those particular