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undone storm
go to "nanobiological healing"
undone storm
ok
why tho ? its a real question,
I dont really make the difference between the two
limpid agate
They are updated by different people
Fandom is usually unsourced, outdated, or has incorrect information
Such as what you posted
There is no official source to that piece of information, and it is being presented as fact
undone storm
I didnt knew that
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
undone storm
what was that
grand wedge
Gamepedia has sources and such - so always use this one 🙂
frosty shell
St. Petersburg
undone storm
oh, really ?
isnt the building on the other side of the river, like, the Kremlin ?
limpid agate
A kremlin
Kremlin is just Russian for Citadel
This is the St. Basil's Cathedral in Moscow
undone storm
limpid agate
This is the Moscow Kremlin
undone storm
okay, thanks for the infos
well, it looks a lot like the moscow kremlin
and by that, I mean the one where Putin rules
limpid agate
To contrast
This is the Hermitage
In St. Petersburg
This is also Petersburg
Tsarkoye Selo
undone storm
beautiful btw
undone storm
yes
iron plume
the non-kremlin parts of Volskaya look more like StP
since it has a lot more of the empire era buildings
undone storm
interesting
strange that a city named "leningrad" wasnt completely destroyed to be rebuild with a more communist architecture, since, ya know, stalin wasnt much a fan of the empire
but anyway, its not related to the OW lore
iron plume
A lot of the empire era buildings were repurposed
undone storm
oh, I see
peak escarp
I hope the success of Hero of Numbani encourages Blizzard to produce more novels soon
dim scroll
Those will probably take a while to make. Idk how long it takes to make a good book, but I'd wager that it would take at least a year or two before we see another OW book. Definitely a short story or two, but not another book for a while.
peak escarp
they might already have some in the works, just unannounced
dim scroll
True
peak escarp
it was labeled as "Overwatch #1" - why call it that if you're not planning more?
dim scroll
Idk how many books you'd want to have in the pipeline if you are unsure about the first one.
I didn't know that it was labeled that.
dim scroll
Good to know. I still don't know when we'll see another one. Maybe we'll get an announcement at the Blizzcon backup.
peak escarp
the first concepts for Ashe
they liked the designs, but ultimately decided she lacked the Overwatch feel, and she looked too similar to Reaper
next pass of designs - they liked the one on the left, but it read too much as "female McCree", which they were trying to avoid
others were too biker/punk, or too heroic
(I'd love that middle one to be a skin)
they also made her hair shorter for technical reasons - long, flowing hair is hard to animate/rig in a game
frosty shell
Now I'm thinking about Carmen Sandiego Ashe
tame osprey
the female mccree one looks pretty tbh
atomic cosmos
wow caped ashe look cool but that is alot of firearms
tame osprey
in some cinematics i see that some of the overwatch characters are saying “i was called, i have duty, etc” what were they going to attend
atomic cosmos
i seen the use of that word is like that character will be a lone wolf
peak escarp
@tame osprey they're answering Winston's recall
tame osprey
oh
atomic cosmos
wait why then mccree part away from echo if he gonna answer winston's recall ?
peak escarp
McCree has other business
he might join later
but he doesn't think he's worthy of rejoining
atomic cosmos
hmmm it's not wrong thinking mccree is hunting gabriel reyes right ?
on comic he saw talon is using Blackwatch's strategy and he only know one man that can teach those strategy to soldier
peak escarp
he doesn't know Reyes survived
atomic cosmos
not yet ?
atomic cosmos
yeah that would be emotional moment
like ana and soldier reaction knowing gabriel still alive
peak escarp
that's what I was hoping for at Blizzcon 2018, when I saw the title "Reunion"
but what we got was good too
atomic cosmos
yeah
undone storm
a lot of ideas are ultimately not kept
but if we can have, at one moment, a talon character that have tentacles like dr octopus, i'm in :
https://66.media.tumblr.com/847a8dccefcea38476a7442dba60f882/tumblr_inline_p12q62lJG81rvzj8u_540.png
undone storm
yes yes
but they could take the idea of origin and change it enough to suit their need
besides, it got an awesome villain look
by the way, do we know the lore behind this skin ?
https://www.overwatch-world.com/upload/news/2018/avril/10/skin-lucio.jpg
I know it was also a concept art they firstly thought about then decided to change it, but if it became an archive skin, it means that lucio was wearing that at one point during his life
peak escarp
it was one of his original concept designs
limpid agate
Not all Archives skins are canon
peak escarp
but they changed it because they thought the animated design was too busy
peak escarp
undone storm
the last one is canon
it even got some text describing it
limpid agate
Text != Canon
peak escarp
it's just a concept, not a canon outfit
undone storm
I think the lucio skin was an hommage to when he was a rebel and unknown to the public eye
peak escarp
I think they've run out of canon skins to use
ALF Roadhog and Sniper Ana were the last things we were really missing
undone storm
I could use a farmer skin for roadhog
undone storm
...
allright, I got it
but I wasnt talking about the epic skins
not by a long shot
limpid agate
Why not?
undone storm
its the only epic skin that is canon
limpid agate
undone storm
I forgot about this one
however, the epic skins you mentioned, while not canon, are an hommage to Maximilien and where he lives : Monaco.
Clown Junkrat : the Monaco circus
Casino Hammond : the Casino
Race Zarya : the Monaco grand prix
limpid agate
This is also literally just default Symmetra covered in coloured powder
Yes I know the references
undone storm
well, this festival is very popular in India, so she probably participated to one of them at some point in the past
limpid agate
Yeah
peak escarp
using a theme for the epic skins was a nice touch
undone storm
there was a common theme ?
limpid agate
... The Monaco one you just mentioned
limpid agate
No, those are random
peak escarp
no, they didn't do it this year
undone storm
for Symmetra, Torbjorn and...who was the last one again ?
limpid agate
Mei
undone storm
mei
peak escarp
which was disappointing, but since there wasn't a new mission, I can see why
undone storm
I remember
yeah
but hey, they're focusing heavily on OW2
its already a miracle they could even work on something like the challenges
but its cool, it probably means we'll also get some different stuffs for the summer games and the halloween terror
peak escarp
the challenges are things that can be done in the workshop
modifiers that are easy to apply
undone storm
good thing then
it means we'll got challenges like this for OW2
peak escarp
one challenge is literally just headshots on;y
undone storm
ok, ok !
and honestly, I think we'll still get new skins from the past, would it be in a battlepass if we go for that for OW2
peak escarp
at this point I can't think of any canon skins they could make, except maybe Farmer Roadhog from before the ALF and Pre-Crisis Soldier (which would basically be Commando: 76 with blonde hair and a young face)
peak escarp
unless they give us new shorts/comics/stories that feature outfits that could be turned into skins
limpid agate
undone storm
yes, that too
undone storm
perhaps we could get a heavily modified Echo so it could be dr Liao but with, ya know, technological wings
I'm dreaming too much, I know, but it could be neat
peak escarp
that would be nice too
limpid agate
No Liao skin please
peak escarp
I don't think a Dr. Liao skin for Echo would work though
limpid agate
That would be way too uncanny
peak escarp
that would be weird
undone storm
oh, ok
but ya know, I'm certain they still got a lot of ideas for creating new skins from the past
we could have a hammond skin when he just created his meka, that it was still prototypical
peak escarp
there's also a few halloween skins from the comics that people have asked for
peak escarp
but those would be more suited for HT than for Archives
undone storm
yes
limpid agate
limpid agate
And Mercy
peak escarp
that one might be hard, since he needs to be armored
limpid agate
He looks huge there
peak escarp
and the Dr. de Kuiper skin is basically that with armor
undone storm
well, they succesfully created something that match the shape for moira
so dw, i'm sure the 3D modellers would come up with something
as usual
besides, there will be more character released, with probably an important backstory
Like Sojourn
perhaps a past skin could be before she was a cyborg
when she was just a soldier fighting in the canadian army
undone storm
well, is a good base to do an archive skin for him
peak escarp
Sojourn could have a younger look, but it depends on how much her cybernetics are used in her abilities/emotes/highlights
peak escarp
that would work
limpid agate
Other than those 3 heroes, I cannot think of any others with noteworthy Origins apparel.
undone storm
but as I said, I think it will be in a battlepass, themed on the past
since its probably what they'll go for in OW2
peak escarp
actually I like that one, I don't think he has a skin in those colours
peak escarp
a few heroes have to have certain design elements, due to their animations
Winston always needs glasses, McCree needs a belt buckle and hat
etc
limpid agate
Sigma doesn't need the specifics of the shoulderpads
He just needs to be jacked
And he is
undone storm
I wonder what themes they could go for in battlepasses
my guess ? we'll go for the different maps so we can have skins to play on them
Middle east for Oasis, Egyptian for Temple of Anubis, Western (cowboy, gold digger, etc) for route 66, post apo for Junkertown, etc
as for the sigma skin, they can always imagine something to match these massive shoulders
no human is jacked like that, but they can create something that look like a protective gear, during this dangerous experiment that turned wrong in the end
atomic cosmos
it's one of the choice but if they use battlepasses and it work just like on other game....it could damage OW's community
from forced to use one role to one spesific hero for gaining BP exp ( the BP mission thing )
limpid agate
Most I've seen are just global battlepass xp
atomic cosmos
on what game ?
swift mason
Nah the actual hamster noises were from Dee Bradley Baker, an absolute legend in voice acting
atomic cosmos
i thought they have actual hamster as voice actor
undone storm
how could an actuall hamster have song "jingle bell" ?
subtle geyser
the voice line
and he tries to put in the emotion etc associated with it
so if its a sad voice line or excited he can add it
undone storm
excited hamster noises
subtle geyser
:D
swift mason
That is exactly what happens and its great
polar jackal
e
limpid agate
This is who voices Hammond the Hamster.
median brook
truly a legend
undone storm
looks like that
but I dont know most of these characters i'm afraid
(havent watched much cartoons ^^')
limpid agate
Most of them are just random background characters I think.
grand nexus
omg perry!
peak escarp
some are Villain of the Days
limpid agate
The noteable ones there to me are Perry, Klaus, and the Kids Next Door.
But he's also Daffy Duck
young knoll
he is Etrigan? cool to see some DC stuff as well
frosty shell
He was Daffy in Space Jam
but he's not the only voice actor to play him
hence why that's not listed that high up
limpid agate
Hmmm, thats fair
subtle geyser
he voiced bumi from legend of korra?!
oh apparently only in book 1, after that the voice actor got swappedf
oak gale
he also voiced Gravemind from Halo and Appa from ATLA
subtle geyser
https://i.imgur.com/fbIcJnx.png what the hell
damn it got guessed 452 times, ig overwatch lore is more popular than i thought
pine grail
Also the same actor voices Appa in Avatar.
peak escarp
he's known for his monster noises
pine grail
He's known for his profile of animal immitations.
Also? He voices the Clones in Star Wars The Clone Wars.
Dude is a freaking legend and if I ever get the chance, I'd love to meet him at a convention.
errant glen
prisma wren
didnt he play clone troopers in star wars?
stone wolf
Sigma probably has the best lore imo
frigid stirrup
Does Zenyatta refer to Mondatta as his brother because they're brothers, or is it the same situation when Zen refers to Orisa as his sister?
peak escarp
Zenyatta calls Mondatta "brother" because they're monks from the same order/religion
peak escarp
probably not
maybe omnics from the same omnium could see each other as family, but we don't know enough about them
frigid stirrup
Omnium?
young knoll
I wonder how that would work
you would not have a biological connection
but maybe the program the sentience is based off varies depending on the omnium
peak escarp
you don't have to be biologically connected to consider someone family
young knoll
I was considering "actual brothers" as being akin to that
but I suppose that is a bit pedantic
limpid agate
!!shitposting @thin iris
twilit nacelleBOT
@thin iris Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
undone storm
what would be your opinion on a New Orleans map ?
what do you think New Orleans looks like in OW ?
iron plume
It'd have some interesting flavor but I'm not sure about making yet more american maps when some huge areas of the world aren't explored yet
and inb4 it's underwater
undone storm
Venise isnt underwater
iron plume
fair point
undone storm
so there is no reasons for new orleans (in the OW world) to be underwater
iron plume
yeah it's a half-serious answer at best hence the inb4
undone storm
idk what inb4 means
and while I agree on that (already a lot of american map), we dont have any bayou environment
iron plume
if there was one it'd look mostly like present-day with some ow-universe sprinkle tossed in I'd imagine
they only change the environments radically when they're completely new places (numbani, oasis) or are set in a building/area that's new (volskaya, busan)
undone storm
I hope we'll got more african maps
iron plume
yea
undone storm
south africa, Kenya, Morocco, etc
limpid agate
Missing Base of Operations:
- Tortuga, Haiti, Baptiste
- Oyo, Nigeria, Doomfist
- Switzerland, Echo
- Sante Fe, New Mexico, America, McCree
- Xi'An, China, Mei
- Zurich, Switzerland, Mercy
- Dublin, Ireland, Moira
- The Hague, Netherlands, Sigma
- Krasnoyarsk, Russia, Zarya
Also Stuttgardt and Utopaea, but Eichenwalde is in arms reach of Stuttgardt, and Utopaea may or may not be the unannounced Indian map in OW2
Here is another list of settings from shorts, comics, etc:
- Overwatch Museum, Cinematic Trailer
- A train, Texas, America, Train Hopper
- A village, Germany, Dragon Slayer
- Boklovo, Kurjikstan, Destroyer
- Poland, Legacy
- Swiss HQ, Uprising
- Blackwatch HQ, Rome, Italy, Retribution
- Port-de-Paix, Haiti, WYLB
Then to remove redundancies...
Important, Missing Locations:
- Haiti
- Switzerland
- Krasnoyarsk Front
- Overwatch Museum
- Kurjikstan
- Poland
grand wedge
Maybe you can had Singapour, we have glimpsed it in Doomfist origin story? And in the Junkers comics, you also have Sidney, and like Rio, we have a Sidney Lucio Ball stadium ( and we have Busan and Rio too, who also have full pvp maps)
undone storm
@limpid agate thank you so much :D
there is also Istanbul for Operation White Dome and possibly Emre
Xi'An is the location of the army of terracotta statues
I think it could be a good location for an arcade map
limpid agate
I forgot about White Domr
Thanks, that's a good one too
Also Singapore
I left out Sydney because we do have the Lucioball arena
And honestly
I dont think we are gonna get more
undone storm
I wouldnt be so sure about that
we had/will have a proper map set in the two other locations of he lucioball
so there are no reasons not to have one
there is also Seattle
it was on the map of the origin story of soldier, and we got a map for each and every other locations of the same map
limpid agate
The last two Lucioball maps were added alongside real maps in the samr location
Sydney Harbourfront Arena and Junkertown
Busan Stadium and Busan
It's like Black Forest and Eichenwalde, Castillo and Dorado, or Necropolis and Anubis
dim scroll
Isn't 76 from the US Midwest?
peak escarp
he's from Indiana
limpid agate
Indiana
dim scroll
I don't remember anything about Seattle?
limpid agate
Watch his Origin trailer
grand wedge
The map is the active threats map in his origin story
limpid agate
!!loreShorts
twilit nacelleBOT
Animated Shorts:
Cinematic Trailer: http://bit.ly/1yhzaCC
Recall: http://bit.ly/1T1Aky8
Alive: http://bit.ly/1PSJV5x
Dragons: http://bit.ly/1WAZs3c
Hero: http://bit.ly/1ToCD1E
The Last Bastion: http://bit.ly/2b3TsNN
Infiltration: http://bit.ly/2emetBC
Rise and Shine: http://bit.ly/2xcMYoH
Honor and Glory: http://bit.ly/2A4FxRa
Shooting Star: https://bit.ly/2MCgtuP
Reunion: https://bit.ly/2AJhhHo
Zero Hour: https://bit.ly/2JGfNBP
Origin Trailers:
Tracer: http://bit.ly/2fDNQxI
Soldier 76: http://bit.ly/1FpWpDB
Ana: http://bit.ly/29zamjl
Sombra: http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
Orisa: http://bit.ly/2liKFy8
King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
Doomfist: http://bit.ly/2tWoWzZ
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
Brigitte: http://bit.ly/2GSto50
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Ashe: https://bit.ly/2F2SPor
Baptiste: https://bit.ly/2TeM1Kq
Sigma: https://bit.ly/2JJTVWE
Echo: https://bit.ly/2IYIwRq
Other Videos:
A Moment in Crime - Junkers: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Are You With Us?: http://bit.ly/2fle4Uw
We Are Overwatch: http://bit.ly/1Pd9XmJ
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2EI9RCZ
Roadtrip: https://bit.ly/2RLk08M
Storm Rising: https://bit.ly/2VOkcXh
dim scroll
Okay, that makes sense. I was confused and thought that the implication was that he was from Seattle.
dusty spear
Damn theres so many shorts
undone storm
no no, he is not from Seattle
however, each other points on this map at 0:36 have or will have a map
so there are no reasons not to have a Seattle map in the future, based on that
as for soldier, he is from Bloomington, Indiana
that would be nice to also have this place as a map, so that soldier can have a map of his own
besides, it would have a more rural environment, something we dont have a lot in the game
grand wedge
There is not a real interest
peak escarp
the hard part of designing a rural map is how to implement map boundaries
undone storm
fences
but yeah, I guess you are right, gwadael
peak escarp
with Junkertown they gave it cliffs (that aren't there in the comic)
you can jump over fences
undone storm
well, there are some places where you could jump over too
at havana, in front of the parlement, there is a big invisible wall with just a car or so to show the limit
limpid agate
... Parlement?
limpid agate
Is that on the map?
Its not on the playable part, is it
Or are you talking about the spawnroom
undone storm
no, its not on the playable part of the map
but you know, whe you leave the attacker spawnroom, you go up to the hotel, and you look on the right
you can see a bit avenue leading to the capitol
and there is just a car and a fence to show the limits of the map
but anyway
if we do get other usa maps, I hope to see one set at New York, another one at Seattle, and especially one at New Orleans
lavish wind
hello
zealous canyon
Helo
twilit thunder
HI
The women who created the ominics why did she create Echo if she new her old products were starting a war
???
peak escarp
because she wanted to prove that omnics weren't bad
hardy ice
Didn't Moira leave OW for Talon and then just kind of fucked around with Reyes until he turned into Reaper?
peak escarp
Moira experimented on Reyes before she left OW
worthy rose
So did Reyes have the wraith powers before the accident happen?
umbral temple
?? what problem
peak escarp
we don't know, just something related to genetics
umbral temple
how does Reyes stay conscious in wraith form
like
how does he know he’s reaper if he’s vapor
with no brain or whatever
peak escarp
because he does
umbral temple
.
umbral temple
oh
okay this is gonna sound stupid
but could he kill himself if he went into an air conditioner
while in wraith form
or is that another sci-fi thing that works because sci-fi
peak escarp
probably
umbral temple
aw man
mighty herald
XD
atomic cosmos
failed experiment ? i mean...even Morrison didn't know what side effect hes having by american's super soldier program
undone hare
Have junk and mei ever met?
grand wedge
No
atomic cosmos
eventually they will
since i think on OW2 our enemy isn't just Talon and Null sector
undone storm
so you think we'll get a Junker faction as ennemies ?
sage hare
I mean, we don't really have an enemy that includes Junk and Hog, right?
iron plume
the Junker enemy faction wouldn't include them anyway
since they've fallen out with the Queen and aren't welcome in the town
sage hare
clearly I am not caught up with the lore
iron plume
Junkers are too local to be really relevant in the overall conflict
but some time down the line I think there may be a mission or two against them and an option in Hero Missions
i mean, the queen says as much on the map when either of them are on the attack team
If I were to baselessly speculate, I'd say hero/custom mission enemy options would be:
NS and Talon on release
Helix decent chance some time later
Junkers a chance some more time later
Vishkar and Deadlock as distant possibilities
undone storm
I dont think we'll get a junker faction tho
there would be too much models to make, since the core of the junkers is : all of them are unique and made their own equipement with what they can find in the outback
its not like the null sector which are robots, or talon which is a masked militia
iron plume
fair, but it wouldn't be the first time lore things get simplified in-game
making them all the same would be glaring, but like
4 or 5 human models covered by facemasks and helmets, differing in equipment can be enough
would be more than they've done for the OW1 PvEs but "more than OW1 PvEs" is kinda the point
undone storm
yeah
we'll see anyway
I mean, its not like we could have a pve mission involving a huge amount of junkers anywhere else than in junkertown itself
besides, it would make more sense to make at junkertown a mission involving junkrat, roadhog and probably the junkerqueen
iron plume
yes
which is why if they do get added, it'll primarily be to add variety to the Hero Missions
another option for the enemies
Kinda like ME3's MP did with the collectors
the MP missions are all basically non-canon, but Cerberus, Geth and Reapers at least had a reason to be on the maps they're set on
Collectors have none but they basically went "you wanna shoot some fuckin' collectors, here you go"
The hero missions will be the ones people actually play over and over
undone storm
eye see
unique harbor
k
umbral temple
a deadlock one would be cool
undone storm
wdym, a deadlock one ?
we already got two member or ex member of the deadlock gang
including one of its founders
umbral temple
like a PvE thing
undone storm
aah, ok
well, so far, we saw route 66 being attacked by the null sector
so imo, we'll get a mission where mcree and ashe are forced to collaborate to, you know, not dying
umbral temple
ooh
I mean
I want to see what Ashe is usually like
but yeah that would be cool
undone storm
so you would like a mission where we faces off the deadlocks ?
undone storm
idk
I dont think we'll get much more factions other than talon and null sector
umbral temple
yeah probably
undone storm
I mean, perhaps
here, its written "null sector, elite troops of talon and the other ennemies of overwatch"
who are the other ennemies of Overwatch in the lore ?
umbral temple
I don’t know
peak escarp
maybe
I think they're intentionally not shown so Blizz can use them in the future without being locked into a specific design
undone storm
I hope we wont, ngl
I mean, it would add two other us heroes to the game
I have nothing against the us, but since OW is known for its diversity in terms of character and maps nationalities, it would add 2 other american, western-like heroes
we already got 4 us heroes, and there are still a lot of nations in the world that awaits their maps and heroes
so I mean
why not, but I dont see them added before a loong time
undone storm
besides, I wonder what their gameplay and weapon would look like if they indeed are cowboys
we already got a revolver and a rifle
what would even be their weapons ?
the only things I can think of are pistols
and old school shotguns
peak escarp
they could play more into the biker stereotype, since Ashe and McCree have the cowboy angle covered
it is a biker gang after all
undone storm
tbh, this kind of is the gameplay around mcree and ashe : old school
dynamite, flash grenade, nothing too fancy or technologicaly advanced
you are right
but even then, I dont really see how it would translate into gameplay
hmm
now that we're talking about that, I would be eager to see these two into the game after all 😄
but not now
in a few years, for OW2, or perhaps OW3
doctor, what are the other ennemies of OW outside of Talon and Null Sector ?
peak escarp
not really enemies, but Helix would oppose them
since Helix is the UN's new security force, and new Overwatch is breaking the Petras Act
undone storm
what do we know about Helix ?
peak escarp
it's a contract security firm
After leaving the army with a commendation for distinguished service, she was offered employment with Helix Security International, a private security firm contracted to defend the artificial intelligence research facility beneath the Giza Plateau.
that has been gaining popularity and funding, despite setbacks
Questions have been raised about the effectiveness and methodology of Helix, which in recent years, has greatly increased its profile as the world's security force. But after a number of high profile incidents, including the breach of a similarly top-secret facility in Egypt, those who have objected to the increased privatization of security following the shuttering of Overwatch will have been dismayed that Helix has requested, and been granted, additional funding by the UN to cope with rising threats.
undone storm
are they mercenaries that only offer their services to the ones that gives the most money, or do they have a bit more honor than that ?
well, not honor
principles
could they be bought by talon ?
peak escarp
I guess? but Talon has their own army of mercenaries already
undone storm
yes, but if they buy helix, then the UN woulnt have anything to defend themselves, and Overwatch would be even more outnumbered
peak escarp
I don't think they would think of that
undone storm
and again, I think Helix wouldnt go for the sides of the bad guys that easily
nah, the questions we were asking to ourselves were : could we have the junkers or deadlock as ennemies ? personally, I dont think so, since they're located only in junkertown and route 66
peak escarp
yeah they're too local
undone storm
besides, they would most probably join, temporaly at least, the side of Overwatch and/or the UN
at least for the junkers
it woulnt be hard for the queen to see that its the opportunity to ask for something in return in they go alongside the un and/or overwatch, and besides, they could kill as much omnics as they want to
peak escarp
I don't think they would
both Deadlock and the Junkers are they type to just care about themselves, screw the world
undone storm
shame
it means they probably wont have any missions in the game
there will always be "them" and "the rest of the characters and organisations, linked all together"
unless the junkerqueen is here to create a link, as I think she will
peak escarp
it's possible we could see Ashe, Junkrat/Roadhog or Hammond team up with someone, but it'll just be them, not their groups
Junkrat, Roadhog and Hammond are already not with the Junkers anyway
nimble hedge
undone storm
I hope we'll get at least one cinematic with hammond in it
it would be awesome to see him interacting with characters in them
lament prawn
i just wanna see him rendered in cinematic quality
undone storm
it will be in the game engine
but you know, I wanna see him interact like we saw the other characters interacting with each others in the other cinematics of retribution, stormrising and the rio mission
peak escarp
Hammond probably won't play much of a role in the OW2 story
stiff hamlet
inb4 Hammond works for Talon
grand wedge
I can picture him in a cool cameo of some sort
undone storm
not a bit role
but I hope he'll still play even a small one
besides, OW2 will probably turn into a game as service, so they'll add new missions and so overtime, I think
peak escarp
OW is already a game as service
grand wedge
Like, he comes rolling and smashing robots without really caring about what is really going on and save the day without really meaning to, just having fun, and then he is off again
undone storm
yes, but if they add a battlepass, it would be much of of a GAS than it already is
peak escarp
I think new missions will come like events do now
every few months and for a limited time
lament prawn
why limited time?
i cant imagine missions that are part of the main story would be limited time
they only did that in archives because they werent replayable enough
lament prawn
i enjoyed them a lot too but i can see how they can get repetitive
but either way, i dont think they'd make the story limited time, even if its post-launch missions
unless theyre "side quests" like junkertown etc
peak escarp
I'm just basing that on Blizzard liking to induce people into playing during special events
warm sage
Are we going to get a zero hour game in OW 1
limpid agate
Probably not
long inlet
I'm thinking that ow 2 might be an open world type thing
long inlet
Like big map random spawning targets random obj in a building
Not really open world
But like progressive map
grand wedge
It will be like Rio they showed us at Blizzcon
Just need to see how they'll fill in between the missions
peak escarp
"between the missions" will just be a menu screen
grand wedge
I hope it will be a bit nicer than that
peak escarp
I think at best we'll get something like what we saw in the gameplay trailer, with heroes standing around looking at a map, then you choose missions off the map
grand wedge
For hero missions, that's for sure because it's not lore related
but I really hope they'll give us a nice thing for the story mode
not to have a feeling of just playing the missions, but having interactions and good set-ups between missions
peak escarp
what's not lore related about the Overwatch team looking at a map of Null Sector attacks?
grand wedge
That's not what I said
but just looking at a map is boring if there is no voiceline or nice stuff to go with it - is all I'm saying
peak escarp
I wouldn't expect too much
so I've re-read through Hero of Numbani and noted down all references to time, and I think I've put together a timeline of events between Hero of Numbani and Masqerade for both Doomfist and Orisa
these event happen the year following Recall
muted pecan
limpid agate
I have 1 qualm with this list
peak escarp
from reading the novel and comic
limpid agate
The chronological placement of 10 is present day Overwatch 1.
peak escarp
also I just realized an error
limpid agate
The stinger at the end feels like its leading up to OW2
By Chronological placement I mean
1 month after creation
peak escarp
this is the year after Recall
I think Orisa's listed age of "1 month" is her age at the start of OW2
limpid agate
Hmmm
Fair thought, but I disagree
A lot of the timeline stuff we have was based on Recall
Orisa obviously can't follow that
But things like
Genji's age
Retribution is 8 years before Recall
peak escarp
yes
limpid agate
And we are given his age explicitly there in Retribution
Same with Moira
Who released after Orisa
!!loreTweets
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Map Teasers:
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Volskaya: https://bit.ly/2WLQvcq
Hollywood: https://bit.ly/2WNMxzP
Archives Logs:
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Retribution McCree: https://bit.ly/2WP3U3y
Retribution Genji: https://bit.ly/2Triyf5
Retribution Moira: https://bit.ly/2ykYO5F
Storm Rising Sojourn: https://bit.ly/2ToIqbn
Storm Rising Max: https://bit.ly/36fjxUY
peak escarp
but everything we've seen Reaper tell Doomfist about in Masquerade covers events that happen post-Recall
OW1 doesn't have a set date really
it's just "around the time of Recall"
during which Orisa hadn't been created yet
grand wedge
It's a nice graph to understand a bit of the events, at least visually
peak escarp
I fixed the dates of the Venice Carnival, since I realized I had them too early
although it depends on the year
my personal headcanon for the year of Recall is 2073, so Carnival in 2074 is the last 2 weeks of February
Orisa's age/timeline are the exception to the rule of most things being referenced from Recall
peak escarp
at least it matches with what we knew already from Masquerade, so Nicky Drayden did her homework
grand wedge
Did they give the day of Unity a special date? I can’t remember
peak escarp
they didn't say when it is exactly
if we are given that date, the timeline will change accordingly
umbral temple
was efi’s classmate okay?
peak escarp
knocked him off some stage scenery, making him fall 15 feet
umbral temple
can I see like
the story or whatever
peak escarp
he was dressed as Doomfist for a play, and Orisa thought he was the real thing
it's in the novel
peak escarp
for a play about the city
umbral temple
Oh
that would seem a little too soon imo
do you think doom would call out his attacks
“riSiNG uPpERcuT!”
“mEtEOr sTRiKe!”
atomic cosmos
wait why doomfist revisit numbani twice ?
peak escarp
because he's trying to cause trouble between the humans and omnics there
atomic cosmos
oh i thought when he have the gauntlet he just leaves numbani
lilac pecan
So what exactly is point no.6 in that timeline
“Robots begin going haywire in Numbani”?
limpid agate
From the novel, ||Sombra is hacking them||
subtle geyser
@limpid agate it's actually Stuttgart, not Stuttgardt fyi :D
@peak escarp and about the map bounderies, ofc you can jump over the fence, but so could you jump over the roadblocks they added on some maps, they just put an invisible wall there to block off the area
distant adder
wrong chat oops
inland yew
could somebody help me find the sombra song that was on the moon?
limpid agate
... What Sombra song
fervent jewel
The arg for sombra’s release question mark?
worthy rose
tracer gae
iron plume
yes
have any further thoughts on the matter?
undone storm
yes
and soldier lesbian
but its just a minor detail in the lore of Overwatch
swift mason
Might wanna uno reverse those words around bucko
valid terrace
Do we know if Tracer is lesbian or just bi?
iron plume
she's confirmed lesbian
swift mason
She's got a girlfriend
subtle geyser
i dont think we know if shes lesbian or bi
unless its been specifically said shes lesbian
but even then i doubt she and emily will be ending anytime soon lore wise so she might aswell be lesbian
pliant sparrow
It was confirmed
subtle geyser
unless the new overwatch work gets too much for them or smth but i cant really imagine that kinda relationship drama in overwatch
pliant sparrow
Blizzard gave ign a statement that confirmed she was lesbian
There was probably another confirmation that I'm forgetting
swift mason
I know that her and emily have been dating since before the storm rising mission since tracer mentions how she would like to take emily to havana sometime
So that would mean they've known each other for at least 6 or more years and still going strong
peak escarp
it wasn't Blizzard
it was Chu
and it's one of the things people hate him for
Twitter
valid terrace
Honestly, what’s the harm, we already knew she liked girls
Just confirms that she doesn’t like boys
Sorry your already non canon ships are interrupted a step further I guess
peak escarp
they hate him for giving out lore on twitter
rather than putting it in the comic or some other "official" source
valid terrace
But it’s all superfluous stuff anyways
I guess
But you can’t fit every tiny factoid in an actual source of lore without it looking cramped or unnatural
peak escarp
right
valid terrace
Besides an encyclopedia I guess?
peak escarp
I don't mind it, I'm just pointing out that it's one of the reasons people hate Chu
that and the racism
valid terrace
Yeah, the mistreatment of Chu is something I do hold pretty strongly against the fan base
Just makes me sad to think about it
The guy just wanted to share the world that he genuinely cared about, and he got torn apart every time
peak escarp
yeah
primal escarp
sad but true
umbral temple
so does doomfist’s gauntlet have a name or??
please don’t tell me it’s called the Doom Fist
mystic basin
I mean the Doomfist gauntlet has been passed by 3 different Doomfists, so I guess the name fits.
inner ravine
becuase no matter who you are, you put the gauntlet on and become doomfist
peak escarp
After escaping from the facility, Helix lost track of Ogundimu until he resurfaced in Numbani, where he clashed with the newly introduced OR15 defense robots at the Adawe International Terminal, easily destroying them and reclaiming the Doomfist.
umbral temple
...
mystic basin
So I heard that the first Doomfist was actually a good person, which makes me wonder on where the name Doomfist came, I mean there's literally "Doom" in the name.
inner ravine
the first doomfist just threw hands
peak escarp
undone storm
I wonder if we could have the two other doomfists as skins
the first one looks cool, I like his look, he was probably an extremely charismatic character
peak escarp
probably not
umbral temple
they’d have to change all the voice lines
also the gauntlets are different, so maybe it wouldn’t work the same
peak escarp
I don't think they would make skins that are another character (yes I know about Nova/Kerrigan but those aren't canon)
undone storm
shame
I wonder why we dont know much about the savior
if he was the savior of numbani, surely we would have known more about him in the said city
idk, a statue honoring his memory or something like that ?
peak escarp
maybe they had statues, but then the Scourge came along and people were like "eh, maybe we shouldn't have these anymore"
arctic loom
im always thought why that others doomfists
frosty shell
The fist might've just been called that because of its power (ecen though the first DF didn't have the same fist)
valid terrace
They do have the Balderich skins for Rein, though the argument could be made that it’s just armor
undone storm
I seems like the first doomfist was so strong that he didnt needed many (if any) cybernetic augmentations, unlike the scourge and the survivor
young knoll
did doomfist break out of his cell using his prosthetic arm
young knoll
surely it could have at least been deactivated, considering how devastating it is
peak escarp
it's just an arm
young knoll
that punched through a meter of concrete
was he extremely isolated, then?
that could be at least somewhat justified, but otherwise, it seems the arm would be a danger to those around him, potentially
peak escarp
the arm isnt anything special, it's just a prosthetic
but if you tried to punch through concrete with a flesh arm, no matter how strong you are, you'd hurt your arm
young knoll
it is at the very least extremely durable, and it probably would have to be stronger than a normal human arm to punch through a wall that thick with such relatively few blows as he used
peak escarp
we dont know how long he had been trying, we just saw the end
young knoll
good point there
is it likely they would not have an idea of how durable the arm was? even if it was not devastating like the gauntlet, it is apparently a rather useful tool
peak escarp
probably
lament prawn
they may or may not find an excuse that satisfies you, but does it really matter
he needed it there for the story to work
and punching through concrete is just badass as hell visually
young knoll
I do like stories to have non idiotic things that beggar belief
lament prawn
eh, overwatch isnt the best place for that tbh, which is no fault of its own
young knoll
certainly it isn't perfect, but the in universe explanations for things tend to be consistent
so this particular detail seems a bit out of place
peak escarp
like I said, it's just an arm
it would be cruel to take someone's arm, even a criminal
lament prawn
if they have to go back to that story and explain it in more detail or something, im sure they'll find a satisfactory excuse, but imo a minor thing like that only comes after the bigger picture (doomfist escaping on his own in such an in-character way)
peak escarp
the novel tells us that his cybernetic enhancements were removed, so the arm isn't counted as an enhancement
young knoll
I dislike the answer, but I will bow out here
limpid agate
Having two arms is probably seen as a human right
young knoll
I don't think that is entirely unreasonable, but his prosthetic arm is seemingly pretty dangerous. All I am saying is that at the very least, the prosthetic arm he has in the short should not be the one he had. Even with extreme durability, it should take a long time to punch through a wall like that.
limpid agate
Im pretty sure its just a normal bare minimum arm
People can, irl, punch through concrete
They just dont
Because it will fuck your hand up
Doomfist doesn't have a hand to fuck up
valid terrace
Even if he did, I’d be surprised if that stopped him
frosty shell
also maybe the guards might normally get him contained again
but Talon helped him out this time
valid terrace
That’s still implying he busted 1m of concrete in less than an hour
Which is impressive if not pushing believability
peak escarp
we don't know how long it took
it just goes from him starting to punch the wall before the flashback, to walking out through a Doomfist-sized hole in the wall after
limpid agate
The fact that its a prosthetic arm
Just means that there is no pain receptors or permanent damage
Because it can be replaced
So it is effectively just a tool
Now even if you assume his punching power is only one tenth as effective as a sledge hammer
Which is being very very generous to the argument that it would take him a long time
vernal smelt
For any of you who have read the orisa novel, how is it and would you recommend buying it?
limpid agate
You didn't like the other two?
limpid agate
Then you will probably like the novel
vernal smelt
Nice thanks
peak escarp
it was a good self-contained story, with hooks for later adventures
it's a little predictable, but it's aimed at kids/teens so I didn't expect it to be super complex
vernal smelt
Im 15 so I would probably enjoy it
peak escarp
well there you go
iron plume
Chu posted pictures of his wedding on his twitter
and his wife is a blonde white woman
grand wedge
Doomfist lost his arm following the crisis yes
iron plume
so there was a lot of at best iffy shit and at worst straight up racial harrassment with the "excuse" that Genji, especially in context of Gency, is a self-insert fantasy
grand wedge
But when he lost his right arm in the aftermath of the Omnic Crisis, it seemed his martial arts career was finished before he had reached his prime. His company's cybernetic prosthetics allowed him to recover from his injuries, even making him stronger, but these enhancements rendered him ineligible for competition.
peak escarp
@subtle geyser what Party said - a certain part of the community harrased Chu because they didn't like "his" ship, accused him of putting Genji in everything because he's Chu's "self-insert" (never mind the fact that Ana, Reaper, Soldier have more lore, and McCree has just as much as Genji), and even "joked" about hiring a hitman to go kill him
if Chu wasn't asian, they would not have thought Genji was his self-insert
in Chu's own words, he's most like Moira
frosty shell
Tbf I think the Genji association came from an interview where he said he liked Genji
And he is a big weeb
peak escarp
most of Team 4 are weebs
they keep putting anime and pop culture references in the sprays and voice lines of every hero
subtle geyser
yikes some "fans" are toxic
peak escarp
yeah, it's not just the game balance people screaming on the forums
the lore community has its share of toxicity
limpid agate
!!shitposting @still shard
twilit nacelleBOT
@still shard Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
vagrant elbow
lore is any type of info about charachter, mostly bout their past, past events, baiscally a backstory @pale yew
pale yew
Ohhh okay thank u smm
vagrant elbow
np
grand wedge
!!lorewiki omnium
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/omnium
placid fulcrum
has anyone read the orisa novel? is there any new interesting lore related to talon and overwatch organizations? any interesting doomfist lore? any lucio/dva hints maybe?
peak escarp
I've read through it
its mostly about Efi and Orisa
a little bit about Lucio
here's my notes
grand wedge
Woah, thank you for that, mines were messy x)
opaque tundra
I'm writing a book review on Amino as a read
stiff hamlet
Okay, I'm confused about something.
Near the end of the Reunion short, Ashe says that she's going to rebuild bob, and have him rip off his other arm. So does that mean that Bob is the reason that he lost him arm in the first place?
peak escarp
no
she threatens to have him rip off McCree's other arm because why would you rip off an arm that is already missing?
stiff hamlet
I was referring to his other arm. That one that's still intact.
peak escarp
right
Ashe wouldn't threaten to rip off his robot arm
it's not implying that Bob already ripped one off
also the writer said he didn't do it
peak escarp
how long do you think omnics were around before the crisis?
swift mason
I think they were just being introduced to society
peak escarp
so only a few years?
peak escarp
yeah, that's what I was thinking, I just wanted to see what other people thought
swift mason
That’s why you don’t see all the Omnics rebel, because they were pre-made
umbral temple
bob and McCree are chill right?
swift mason
Wait ashe is 39 right? so that means bob was made before the omnic crisis, that explains why he didn't go corrupt
peak escarp
we don't know when Bob joined the family
the first time we see him, Ashe is already a teenager
swift mason
oh i see
umbral temple
what is Ana doing in Egypt to get her bounty
I’ve read old soldiers, legacy, and Valkyrie and I still don’t really know
peak escarp
she's a vigilante, taking down crimelords and various other criminals
those criminals have influential friends, so Ana gets wanted posters
swift mason
Soldier 76 is now helping her out as well as fulfilling his revenge
peak escarp
ye
vestal finch
@lunar ingot
amber socket
Not sure if this has been dicussed already, probably because it is so infamous, but are Genji and Mercy a couple?
Probably has
amber socket
Maybe. Mercy was the one who fixed Genji after he was killed. Maybe they bonded. Reaper shrugs
Fyi, i have a low battery. If i dont respond in the next few seconds or minutes, my tablet probably died. Is sad.
peak escarp
Genji didn't die
worthy rose
Just badly injured
slender crypt
both 76 and ana faked their 'deaths'
tame osprey
how does rein have the power to shatter the floor and knock down enemies within 50 meters
i tried to do the math and I couldn’t
peak escarp
he has a rocket-powered hammer
tame osprey
does his hammer have the power equivalent to an actual rocket
worthy rose
in ow 2 yeah
wicked widget
wouldnt that cause like an earthquake
not quite how earthquakes work.
pine bloom
How do you think Soldier 76 and Ana will play out in OW2
peak escarp
I think they'll end up getting a showdown against Reaper
young knoll
what do you think is the likely outcome
placid fulcrum
thanks for the notes, Doc!
lmao, doomfist sponsored efi's research... he indirectly built his own enemy 😆
undone storm
its often the case : the hero create his own ennemy and the villain can also create the hero (exemple : batman and the joker in the Tim Burton version)
umbral temple
why is Ana illegal in Russia
undone storm
illegal, or wanted ?
umbral temple
wanted yeah
umbral temple
is it for the same reason she’s wanted in Egypt?
peak escarp
she's on the watchlist in Russia probably because she was part of Overwatch
umbral temple
does Russia not like overwatch
peak escarp
as a result, they feel like Overwatch was unnecessary
iron plume
"Good" is a bit iffy here since they also have one of the two confirmed Omnium reawakenings
and have the war on Siberian front going on as a result
so their methods of shutdown might not have worked as well as OW's
zealous canyon
So is Zarya a member of Overwatch or what?
peak escarp
no
umbral temple
oh yeah I forgot to ask
does Sombra know McCree
peak escarp
she's a Russian soldier
there are hints that McCree might know Sombra or have gotten info from her, but nothing concrete
zealous canyon
Oh, okay!
umbral temple
I’m just asking because of the Christmas thing
peak escarp
umbral temple
but Sombra is conscious, so
peak escarp
why would she attack him?
lament prawn
sombra doesnt have the same "kill overwatch" desire like reaper does
she's just doing her own thing
peak escarp
no, that's just Reaper
lament prawn
and even then, out of all talon members, sombra is the least "talon", she's just taking advantage of their resources to benefit herself
peak escarp
although I think Reaper might hesitate to kill McCree - he might give him an offer to join him first
umbral temple
another question
why do Mercy and tracer have nicknames while Ana and Morrison don’t?
peak escarp
Tracer has a nickname because she was a pilot
peak escarp
not sure
worthy rose
Why would Reaper hesitate to kill Mccree?He didn't hesitate to kill Jack
grand wedge
I don’t think he would kill McCree on sight
subtle geyser
sombra likes information
im sure she knows everyone in the overwatch and blackwatch strike teams
grand wedge
He may have pushed him out of OW before all went to shit before the explosion
peak escarp
McCree left because he didn't want to take a side when the in-fighting started
grand wedge
The line that sticks with me is « Good. Because I’m gonna need you Jesse » during Retribution
Got a feeling it was not just to get out of the mission but what will come after that
And indeed, a year later he sends Jesse in London
Do you think the biographies are fully neutral? Not biased? There are things the bios don’t tell
grand wedge
Like Reaper or Soldier. Theirs tell us absolutely nothing, but we learned everything about them asside
peak escarp
right
lime wharf
Who's the least developed character story wise
Like who do we not know about
(Of the currently usable heroes)
grand wedge
I’d say Zenyatta?
peak escarp
right now he's just an accessory to Genji's story
grand wedge
Omnic went rogue, join the Shambali monks and explore the world
lime wharf
Of all the Omnics he's the one without a lot of explanation
right now he's just an accessory to Genji's story
grand wedge
Like doctor said he is just a side character to Genji story
grand wedge
For now
lime wharf
Have we seen him in OW 2 yet?
lime wharf
Oh
peak escarp
but it matched with some concept art of an India map
lime wharf
India, huh
I'm not real big on geography but isn't that like, in Asia
Don't make fun of me if I'm wrong
peak escarp
probably magnetics
lime wharf
Sigma flies bc gravity powers
peak escarp
like the cars
lime wharf
He doesn't have any type of thrusters on his model tho, from what I've seen
peak escarp
idk
lime wharf
Is it because he's enlightened or something
lime wharf
But it makes sense
He transcends for ult
Quite literally
Also he has the magic balls
peak escarp
probably not canon
lime wharf
..
peak escarp
not all gameplay abilities are canon
peak escarp
lament prawn
we haven't seen mercy's pistol in the lore
peak escarp
this is what "resurrect" looks like in the lore
lament prawn
we haven't seen sombra's EMP either, but that's likely canon
lament prawn
yes
peak escarp
anything with a computer in it
lament prawn
she has hacked omnics
umbral temple
but isn’t orisa offline
lime wharf
I'm pretty sure I haven't watched all the shorts which is why I'm asking
Yeaa
She can still get hacked tho
umbral temple
oh
peak escarp
but Sombra can get into it
lament prawn
azucar
peak escarp
dunno, maybe she learned a few things
or that security channel wasn't as secure as they thought
lament prawn
her communication device is probably something she kept from when she was in overwatch, that can access any official comms channel
peak escarp
Africa
lime wharf
Oh
peak escarp
in/near Nigeria
lime wharf
Is it a real place
peak escarp
no, Numbani is a fictional city
lime wharf
Are they all fictional parts of real places?
umbral temple
King’s row kinda weird
peak escarp
similar thing with Hanamura being a fictional part of Tokyo
lime wharf
Or are therereal maps as well
peak escarp
Venice