also brig not going change
#lore-discussion
undone storm
Shame we wont see what the post OW2 release heroes would have looked like in OW1
I wonder what orisa will be like
I imagine her with some holographic elements added on her body
grand wedge
It would be nice to have some mission from the other side - different perspective for the narration
worthy rose
Right? Especially with the whole “Talon is evil” kinda thing. If we are lucky it might b in OW 2. Hell maybe DLC for all we know
grand wedge
Talon VS Helix, I'd like to see that
worthy rose
Nobody talks about Helix so its a good opportunity for story arcs
grand wedge
even Talon VS Null Sector - if they betrayed them or overpower talon, I'd like to see them fight ^^
worthy rose
Whole lotta different scenarios for how OW 2 will be
grand wedge
Talon already attacked Helis facilities : the prison and Anubis
worthy rose
If jeffy boi thinks about it
grand wedge
They can expend the story wherever they want it to
worthy rose
There is only 1 problem tho.. Pharah. Its just her that was known in Helix. So maybe if we get more Helix heroes then it might work
Maybe Soljorn might side with Helix.
iron plume
Sojourn is a believer in Overwatch's goals, and we've seen her as part of the new OW team
why would she join Helix
Helix doesn't need more heroes if they're an enemy faction
Wouldn't even need to feature Pharah, since the only PvE enemy 'heroes' so far have been (proto-)Orisa and (not the)Bastion, suggested to be infinitely rebuildable
iron plume
I don't think we'll have Talon missions on release
but down the road it's absolutely a possibility, and I'd welcome it
worthy rose
maybe as DLC or maybe next Archives?
iron plume
something like that
Jeff's brought up season passes too, so possibly as a season 2 or 3 thing
worthy rose
Perfect. I think that we might get all Talon members in the story.
Plus with each member getting a special Origin Mission along the way.
atomic cosmos
i think helix is more like neutral ?
they just doing job for money ? like mercenary but official and legit ?
grand wedge
The are being paid by the UN
They probably have other clients
It’s a private security team
It’s definitely a company that got richer with Overwatch shutdown.
atomic cosmos
soo it's possible that helix is involved with the downfall of OW ?
iron plume
Not likely
and as for their "alignment", they're nominally good guys in that they protect things and defend against Talon and other "bad guy" threats
but you're right that they're ultimately a corporation
Valkyrie also describes them as careless with civilian casualties and damage to things that they aren't paid to protect
peak escarp
why do we need more heroes in Helix?
atomic cosmos
holy civilian casualties ? i know one of their weapon is rocket launcher that pharah use but dam
peak escarp
we have a bunch of heroes in Talon but we don't fight any of them in missions
atomic cosmos
not yet i think ?
i see the possibility sombra become one of boss for OW2 story mission
or raid boss because she is strong
cold merlin
i mean if 4 people focus her down she's dead in half a second
peak escarp
the special units make better bosses
iron plume
if 4 people focus down a normal orisa she goes down quickly too, yet they're the end bosses in Uprising. That's not the issue here
peak escarp
they're just bags of hitpoints
iron plume
The issue is you don't kill a hero
peak escarp
yeah
iron plume
OR-14s are technically not Orisas and Bastions are not the Bastion
which is why they're acceptable
but for anyone else there's no get out of death free card
except maybe kinda reaper
but if he's supposed to be immortal, how do you even win
peak escarp
compare it to Junkenstein, where you "canonically" defeat Junkenstein and his minions
atomic cosmos
@cold merlin she claim she able to hack anything and anyone what if she hacked a giant russian mech ?
peak escarp
if you fought a hero in a story mission, they'd need to escape at low health (probably in a cutscene)
atomic cosmos
first phase = we fight normal russian mech ( with the core of the mech opened when entering damage phase )
second phase = sombra entered the mech and did the unexplained thing as upgrading the mech with nearby mech parts well she hacked it
lament prawn
piloting a giant mech and being the center of attention is a little out of character for sombra
peak escarp
that still wouldn't be fighting Sombra herself
iron plume
i mean
she wouldn't pilot it
she'd control it from afar
possibly as a means of distracting attention from herself actually
covering a getaway
lament prawn
oh, if she had it act on its own thats more like it yeah
atomic cosmos
soo remove the part where she entered the mech instead just made her still control the mech from outside and she upgrade it ?
lament prawn
that would actually be pretty sick
fighting basic talon troopers in some sort of environment where there are offline mechs that you think are just scenery
then they get glowing purple lines
atomic cosmos
with sombra hacking sound effect
lament prawn
like the giant mech arm in infiltration
then you stop hearing your teammates in the comms and her voice comes through, she says something snarky before all the mechs stand up and start firing
i'd love that
atomic cosmos
yeah
the only reason why she does that i think she just tried to stall time so she and her talon friend able to escape
i mean if she only hack door and lock it that would be boring right ?
mystic summit
Who's the richest hero?
atomic cosmos
wait brig and rein have money ?!
peak escarp
idk maybe they get gifts from people they help?
atomic cosmos
i just remember the time i read '' dragonslayer '' comic they have financial problem
fervent jewel
wait.. what does moria do as work
peak escarp
she's a Minister at Oasis
atomic cosmos
and i see you put winston on '' ??? '' it's perfect because all his money went to banana + peanut butter supplies and Swiss Taxes
fervent jewel
oooh
swift mason
Work for talon too
peak escarp
I assume that's a paying job
fervent jewel
do we know what baptiste is doing as a job atm?
atomic cosmos
mercenary ?
peak escarp
he was working at a clinic, before Mauga caught up to him
swift mason
Doctor in Haiti? But that was short lived
peak escarp
I guess he'd be in the "???" category now
fervent jewel
do you think emily makes most/all of the money to support herself and tracer?
peak escarp
probably
atomic cosmos
i think emily have clothes store or something
like have you seen tracer's new look on OW2 ?
fervent jewel
i can't imagine that they could live in such a nice apartment with only one member working
peak escarp
unless Emily makes a lot of money/has a family that supports her
fervent jewel
yeah, or tracer does do something that we just don't know about yet
peak escarp
Tracer's occupation is listed as "Adventurer"
but we don't really see her doing any adventuring like we do with Reinhardt and Brigitte
fervent jewel
maybe more expedition sorta work?
coral charm
Would you like to have a video editor, thumbnail and intro maker ?vr
atomic cosmos
mei have steady paying work ?
fervent jewel
she's a scientist, no?
peak escarp
she's a Climatologist
you can see her reporting here
I assume she gets paid for that
atomic cosmos
hmm the data from watchpoint antartica
mystic summit
I imagine her parents disowned her
umbral temple
but let her keep bob?
mystic summit
Bob can be reprogrammed
umbral temple
yeah but why would her parents give her a bob
mystic summit
To be forever servant of ashe
umbral temple
if they disowned her
peak escarp
maybe Bob was a gift to make up for them being shitty parents
they didn't disown her
mystic summit
Parents didn't give Bob, Ashe took him
peak escarp
she disowned them
mystic summit
Seems like it
peak escarp
Born into a wealthy family, Ashe grew up surrounded by privilege. Her parents were highly sought-after business consultants and coaches for powerful CEOs around the world. Though her parents paid little attention to her (mostly leaving her in the care of the family’s omnic butler, Bob), they ensured that Ashe had every opportunity to succeed. But a chance meeting with a local ruffian, named Jesse McCree, and an impromptu string of crimes committed together opened her eyes to her true calling. The satisfaction of outwitting her targets and the thrill of getting away with it set her on the outlaw path.
mystic summit
Somebody fetch my butler
Ok so doom is top tier wealthy
That makes sense since he's the leader
limpid agate
Bob can be reprogrammed
I dont think she would have had to do that
Bob is still a person with their own directive]
arctic loom
in that first cinematic
the trailer
where show all heroes
one of they is lucio, so lucio is supose to be from overwatch
that was the initial idea i guess?
peak escarp
Bastion and Zenyatta are also not part of Overwatch
arctic loom
maybe the initial idea is supose all they be from overwatch
peak escarp
I think they just put all the concepts together, and didn't have the lore figured out yet
arctic loom
im always thought lucio was from overwatch
because of it
well maybe that happens in ow 2
im more interest in that red one
looks like a different omnic tank
peak escarp
that is Wildebeest
he was a concept that turned into Reinhardt
and the African motif was given to Orisa
limpid agate
And his mace was given to Brig
ruby torrent
?
worthy rose
well maybe that happens in ow 2
It would be cool to see all the characters in ow1 to team up and go against a bigger threat even though they’ll never do it partially because they already have ow2 planned and partially because it would fuck up the lore they have set
atomic cosmos
not all maybe
i think mccree,ana,soldier,and reaper gonna be a solo/dou mission
and hanzo too
limpid agate
A what
atomic cosmos
maybe not reaper since he is with talon
im talking about possibility of a covert/stealth mission
since from what we know
mccree works alone
ana and soldier teaming up
atomic cosmos
not kind of stealth mission where you got caught and the mission fail
on that mission there is two scenario
if you succesfully do the stealth scenario 1 will happen
if you got caught scenario 2 will happen meaning you start gun blazing
maybe like payday 2 ?
limpid agate
Still
atomic cosmos
yeah it sound really boring tbh
the community will not accept those kind of mission my bad
subtle geyser
did athena even have an omnic/robot/whatever form, or is that just confusion between echo and athena?
atomic cosmos
winston's personal AI i think ? or overwatch's
subtle geyser
yeah i was always thinking athena was just an ai
but she still gets brought up as a hero for some reason
atomic cosmos
i think people think she is future hero before echo's confirmed right ?
atomic cosmos
no before everybody know echo is confirmed to be next OW heroes
like the old OW art where it show robot that look like echo and people just assumed that robot is Athena
this one from Overwatch Cinematic trailer
peak escarp
right
but after Reunion came out, there was an interview with the art director who said that the robot in that image is Echo - they just put Athena's symbol on her forehead to fill empty space
Athena and Echo were never the same character
atomic cosmos
yeah
echo and athena interaction would be interesting on OW2 i think
because they both is AI but the difference is echo is more like adaptive learning AI while Athena is Assistant AI i think
solar flicker
probs
peak escarp
?
solar flicker
his belt does say BAMF
peak escarp
what does that have to do with anything?
young knoll
a discussion of McCree's genitals seems off topic to me
peak escarp
4) NSFW (Not Safe For Work) content is prohibited in ALL text and voice channels.
boreal egret
What does BAMF stand for?
peak escarp
Bad Ass Mother F***er
boreal egret
I see now
undone storm
I guess the Scrooge skin stands for Greedy Ass Mother F***ker (GAMF)
atomic cosmos
nice
swift mason
Isn't the summer games skin for mccree "sexy ass mother fricker"
atomic cosmos
i think saving is better
violet burrow
Gratisninja#28891
iron plume
I always read it as "safe"
boreal egret
Gratisninja#28891
@violet burrow um what was that for?
violet burrow
wrong channel lol thought i was in privat talök
boreal egret
Oh ok
worthy rose
It would be nice to see some hidden lore you have to find in the pve part of ow2 kinda like how fallout did it with computers and notes around the map so maybe they could have more lore for people like widow or rein. Even better, they could make hidden lore for characters like zen or maybe bastion
lament prawn
similar topic, i am curious about how they'll spice up the story mid-gameplay
i assumed all the big plot twist or dramatic scenes would be saved for the intro/outro cinematics, while all you do in the actual gameplay is shoot at enemies
they could just stick to voice lines, but thats not as impactful when everyones doing their own thing shooting at enemies
subtle geyser
nah we have hidden stuff on pretty much every map
worthy rose
I’m saying a large amount, not just a email that says something like Overwatch is coming together or something
similar topic, i am curious about how they'll spice up the story mid-gameplay
Maybe they pull a he was a bad guy all along or vice versa
lament prawn
oh no im sure they have a lot of good writing and story ideas for the whole story in general, what i mean is how they'll reveal it through gameplay
the easiest and most obvious one is to have all the major scenes happen in the intro/outro cinematics, while the gameplay is only the fighting parts
but what if they need to do a big twist mid-mission? do a cutscene in the middle? because the structure they talked about was having a cinematic at the start and the end, not the middle
worthy rose
They could do something like you’re shooting some bad guys and you need to loot a key card or something and one of they guys you shoot were part of some other group
So then you’re like, oh no, we have bigger problems captain
@lament prawn it depends on what the twist is mainly, once we know what that would be, it’s easier to find out how they’ll reveal it
undone storm
I think they could indeed introduce a cinematic when we killed all the vilains in an area or when we reached somewhere in the level
in a way, we already kinda got that with the ingame cinematic of the rio mission when Echo is bringing the strike team on the flying fortress of the null sector
lament prawn
thats true yeah, i forgot about that
peak escarp
it's a good way to transition between different maps
undone storm
this will probably happen in missions on control maps
proud grove
undone storm
uh ?
limpid agate
We could very well revisit existing maps
By just having them tack on new parts to the map
subtle geyser
yeah so far we only saw them release new maps with different versions for achive
but i guess kings row kinda got repurposed
subtle geyser
but i can definitely see them add new parts for old maps
subtle geyser
yeah but wasnt rialto released with the archive mission?
limpid agate
Rialto released after
Havana, to contrast, is identical to its Archives counterpart
limpid agate
Its just doors being open or closed
subtle geyser
like on point 2 the giant bronze things
limpid agate
Not new areas
subtle geyser
yes
peak escarp
they're not there in Storm Rising
although the collision for them is
I had fun teleporting up there and putting down a turret
subtle geyser
yeah they got removed there
limpid agate
King's Row was a majorly edited one visually
But the edits had a lot of collision
The top of the church, the removed pits in Underworld, etc
subtle geyser
also at the beginning of storm rising is the crashed car on the real map too
not sure about that
limpid agate
Thats a spawnroom
subtle geyser
still
limpid agate
If you want to talk about something, just start talking about it.
No one is going to say hi.
bold badger
Okay
bold badger
What should I talk about?
arctic loom
that ones from mccree,dva
the origin ones
numbani changed after origin
from orisa
limpid agate
I dont remember if it was before or after the shorts, but
Recall and Gibraltar
Dragons and Hanamura
Rise and Shine and Ecopoint Antarctica
Reunion and Route 66
bold badger
After I think.
limpid agate
Special mention to:
The Last Bastion and Eichenwalde
Shooting Star and Busan
As those 2 shorts introduced their respective maps
bold badger
Sure
peak escarp
there was also a very minor change to Eichenwalde just before Honor and Glory came out
the medallion appeared on Balderich's throne
peak escarp
why?
grand wedge
We still don't know what the "grey" snowglobe is for, right? That's the only recent change in maps that doesn't mean anything yet?
bold badger
Just to give more context about the Shimada clan
limpid agate
I think that was just an inside joke
peak escarp
what more context do we need?
limpid agate
I think a modeler was asked to make a snowglobe, asked what should go inside, and was told "just make it grey"
So he literally made it the word grey
bold badger
Who is Hanzo’s father? 😂
limpid agate
Sojiro Shimada
grand wedge
You hear his voice in Dragons - he is the narrator of the story
bold badger
Did not know that. 😄
peak escarp
they're a fallen criminal empire
bold badger
Later all
limpid agate
Its the same reason Workshop doesnt give you older versions of heroes
subtle geyser
overwatch took down the shimada empire?
limpid agate
Yes, with Genji's help
subtle geyser
oh, i guess around that time hanzo already left to re-evaulate his life decisions
bold badger
Merry Christmas
limpid agate
Yeah he probably did
Dragons was their first faceoff
So Hanzo probably left before his clan was destroyed
subtle geyser
i mean not sure how much it means, but at the end the narrator says that they reunited
subtle geyser
not really? genji kind of let him off to think
limpid agate
Reunite doesnt mean join forces
subtle geyser
yeah im just saying it could mean both
limpid agate
That was the point in the context
The story meant they would join forces
But in reality, they opposed each other
peak escarp
Genji gave him a vague, open invitation to join him
pliant sparrow
The clan was destroyed?
peak escarp
they're still around, but they're a shadow of what they used to be
undone storm
something that could be interesting is : as the clan is about to be destroyed, somebody join it and under his rule, the clan prosper once again, and he decides to hunt down and kill the only two that could threaten his rule : hanzo and genji
it could be a way of adding another japanese to the cast and could be a really interesting story arc, that could force hanzo and genji to fight alongside one another
just a thought
peak escarp
but we've seen the state of the clan in current day
undone storm
I was thinking that as in a future development
subtle geyser
how did we see the state?
peak escarp
in Dragons
Hanzo was easily able to walk into the castle, with only a handful of guards in the way
subtle geyser
i mean we kinda see that their clan is still a thing tho?
the guards just werent a match for hanzo
subtle geyser
yeah he went there to honor his brother
hes pretty surprised finding out genji is still alive, he thought hes dead for sure
how did overwatch even get ahold of genji in the first place?
how did hanzo not wanna see the body etc?
what about shimada, how did they deal with genjis "death" and reappearance
so many questions
peak escarp
Overwatch had been watching the Shimada clan, probably had moles doing surveillance
subtle geyser
howd we know that?
peak escarp
Hanzo attacked Genji and left him for dead
subtle geyser
that theyve been watching shimada
peak escarp
its in Genji's bio
subtle geyser
o
peak escarp
Hanzo believed that he had killed his brother, but Genji was rescued by Overwatch and the intervention of Dr. Angela Ziegler. The global security force saw Genji as a potential asset in its ongoing operations to combat the Shimada clan.
subtle geyser
how long ago was retribution?
limpid agate
8 years ago
subtle geyser
oh wait genji was also a part of storm rising
did genji leave overwatch when it disbanded or earlier?
But as time passed, Genji felt increasingly at war with himself. He was repulsed by the mechanical parts of his body and could not come to grips with what he had become. When his mission was complete, he abandoned Overwatch and wandered the world in search of meaning
is what his page says
peak escarp
he left before
subtle geyser
so he left between the one year timespan of doomfists capture and overwatch disbanding
peak escarp
yes
peak escarp
my guess is the damage he sustained in that fight made him hate his body more
subtle geyser
He drifted for many years before crossing paths with the omnic monk Zenyatta
peak escarp
yeah
subtle geyser
"many years" in a 5 years time span would be like 3 years minimum
umbral temple
who taught McCree and Ashe how to spin their guns
This is very important I need to know
subtle geyser
i doubt we have much info on that lol
umbral temple
: ( I can barely do a backwards spin, this information is crucial
subtle geyser
i guess mccree might have learnt his skills in the deadlock gang
umbral temple
oh
subtle geyser
and well
ashe met mccree and joined them too
wouldnt be surprised if mccree taught ashe a few things
subtle geyser
after switzerland im pretty sure
arctic loom
and both jack and gabriel ''died''
in explosion
so moira saved gabriel?
making him that way?
peak escarp
yes
arctic loom
and mercy saved jack
subtle geyser
peak escarp
no
Mercy didnt save anyone
she didn't know he survived until he shows up in Valkyrie
subtle geyser
so did moira help reaper after the explosion or did what she did to him help him survive the explosion?
i know she experimented on him before but not to what degree
peak escarp
I think what she did to him helped him survive
peak escarp
we don't know
arctic loom
now would be a good oportunity to pharah join overwatch
in ow2
is not what she always wanted?
in childhood?
subtle geyser
https://i.imgur.com/mLsR8J2.png do the screens in the tutorial say anything interesting?
cant really read the text on my resolution
i was just going in there to see if it says where its located
arctic loom
is texture on max?
peak escarp
it's just lorem ipsum
subtle geyser
https://i.imgur.com/z7hZ0UT.jpg isnt that winstons weapon?
o theres also peanut butter
looks close to gibraltar
peak escarp
I think the training range is in a different part of the Gibraltar base
scarlet geyser
peak escarp
I meant the Tutorial
not the training range
the training range is in the mountains, maybe near the Swiss base
limpid agate
Considering Uprising
limpid agate
If you consider Uprising, the Swiss HQ contains the training base
undone storm
oh, right
subtle geyser
i mean... a training base?
limpid agate
I don't remember what the map is called
undone storm
nah
too frozen for that
i'm sure its somewhere in arctica
limpid agate
We see the map in the comic
limpid agate
Where Genji and Tracer are fighting in the Uprising comic is the part of Training where there are 4 training bots going back and forth
Not on PC, someone else get screenshot pleasr
peak escarp
undone storm
I mean, idk
it seems just too much frozen for swiss
limpid agate
Yeah there
peak escarp
subtle geyser
oof discord failing on me
limpid agate
subtle geyser
i just always perceived the training area they are in to be in an enclosed room
because the walls are so dark
limpid agate
That's Lake Geneva
peak escarp
it may not have been intended to be there when the training mage was first made, but since the Uprising comic, it may have been retconned
peak escarp
do we know the location of the Swiss base?
peak escarp
Echo's base of origins just says "Switzerland" (I assume she was made there)
undone storm
well, ok then
my bad
I was convinced it was in the middle of the arctic
I just hope we'll still get a proper swiss map at some point in the future
peak escarp
I'd love to have a ruined Swiss base as a deathmatch map
limpid agate
I just hope they acknowledge the map's location
peak escarp
that would make it stand out when compared to Gibraltar
rustic geyser
Oooo yeah, just like the rubble, and maybe a few of the agents old rooms
That would be creepy af
I love the idea
undone storm
I was more thinking of a control map with :
- a village
- a hospital
- the ruined OW HQ
rustic geyser
Yeah the rubble of the old Swiss Base
peak escarp
I'm mostly inspired by this image from Soldier's origin story
with the broken statue
rustic geyser
Yeah that would be creepy
Honestly great idea, more actual ‘warzone’ type maps sound cool
pliant sparrow
Black forest is probably the creepiest map right now
undone storm
well, I wouldnt say that any map is really creepy
spoopy, perhaps
but nothing creepy
I'd love something intimidating, tho
like, a map in the imaginary nation of karjikstan, which is a dictatorship
or in a talon map
it could be a payload map that would work like this : we escort de kuiper placed in a bed protected by some kind of a transparent cage, to try to extract him out of there, from his cell to the exit
wont happen since its a playable character
but it would be neat
peak escarp
that would be a bit weird
gusty sluice
Its on Geneva
peak escarp
that's a likely place for it
it's is where the UN and the Red Cross are headquartered
pliant sparrow
An omnic scrapyard would be creepy
peak escarp
undone storm
I dont think we'll ever get anything that will really gives the creeps in OW
its not the tome of this game
atomic cosmos
later they rebuild swiss HQ as overwatch museum ?
limpid agate
I like the idea that the museum is in Switzerland
peak escarp
that would make the security guard joke seem a little out of place
lament prawn
the lazy security guard thing is a pretty common trope in general, i dont think it was specifically a poke at americans
peak escarp
I guess
also a bit weird that two (probably) American kids are wandering around a museum in Switzerland
limpid agate
The trailer has also seen heavy retcon in other aspects
I dont think they cemented the lore back then
Like Lucio/Zen/Bastion/Pharah being part of Overwatch
peak escarp
fair point
thin parcel
umbral temple
what do echo’s voice lines mean
peak escarp
which ones?
peak escarp
Can or not? (Can you do this?)
So shiok (very good!)
Jialat! (very bad!)
Alamak! (oh no!)
atomic cosmos
why they replace the voice i like the previous version
it felt like natural the new one felt like bland
peak escarp
last patch
prisma wren
i thought kittysune was talking about the va
peak escarp
the VA is the same, I think
prisma wren
i just listened to the new lines sounds singaporean to me and i hate it
saying this as a malaysian btw
peak escarp
people complained that the old ones didn't sound like a native speaker
but Echo isn't a native speaker
prisma wren
people complained that the old ones didn't sound like a native speaker
im guessing all singaporeans who want more representation
liao was singaporean?
prisma wren
so she would have adapted to the accents around her no?
peak escarp
yes
Echo is mimicking Liao's voice, but Echo's accent would be a mixture of the people around her
prisma wren
then in game shouldnt she have had many different accents?
like for whoever she duplicates she also duplicates their accent
prisma wren
ig but the new voice lines just sound so bad
peak escarp
yeah
undone hare
I was wondering if Hanzo and Genji have specific relationship of some kind.
It maybe very obvious but I use workshop all day don't judge.
young knoll
I recommend watching the short about it
peak escarp
they're brothers
wicked widget
ig but the new voice lines just sound so bad
havent logged on in a while, how do they sound
undone hare
Oh ok, thank you I was wondering what was happening between the two of them.
peak escarp
yeah, I recommend watching the short "Dragons" to get the story
onyx zodiac
boreal egret
Yeah I think being a cyborg ninja would make you at least a little faster
atomic cosmos
^ and that time genji is not being careful because he still think the cyborg body isn't part of himself
and on short animation he even consider to underestimate hanzo ended up knocked through the lantern
i think by seeing how fast genji able to react and able to withstand the force of fireball from that null sector titant he even deflect those three giant fireball accurately while on the dragons short he getting knocked back by hanzo's arrow
rustic geyser
Have we heard of what happened to Hanzo and Genji’s dad?
atomic cosmos
he is dead.
subtle geyser
it just says in genjis bio that he died
atomic cosmos
that is why hanzo kind of become the master of shimada
subtle geyser
Following the clan leader's untimely death, Genji's older brother, Hanzo, demanded that Genji take a more active role in their late father's empire.
Upon the death of his father, the clan elders instructed Hanzo to straighten out his wayward younger brother so that he, too, might help rule the Shimada empire
atomic cosmos
in the end the fall of shimada empire is inevitable
and they made the shimada estate become museum for history of shimada ?
subtle geyser
what do you mean?
subtle geyser
doesnt look like a museum at all?
atomic cosmos
and hanzo need to sneak in
atomic cosmos
soo hanzo pick the hard way instead just '' im hanzo shimada '' ?
subtle geyser
so they could rebuild the empire and stop lurking in the shadows
id assume that at least
atomic cosmos
wait i think they also think hanzo is traitor because he left the empire
subtle geyser
i mean im pretty sure they're the ones sending assassins after hanzo
iron plume
especially since he wasn't actually coming back into the empire to stay, but just to pay his respects in the temple
it might've been a way in but it wouldn't be a way out
subtle geyser
"you're not the first assassin that has been sent to kill me, and you will not be the last"
atomic cosmos
hmm so the leader of new shimada empire is plotting to kill the remaining of shimada descedant
so he/she could took the empire fully
worthy rose
why is soldier gay?
iron plume
because he is
subtle geyser
why does that matter?
iron plume
that's just how those things work
worthy rose
how did he become gay in the first place?
subtle geyser
its just like you become straight
subtle geyser
yeah
worthy rose
ok
subtle geyser
hes probably just trolling
worthy rose
i just joined today
atomic cosmos
what weird for me why hanzo just suddenly tried to murder his brother
worthy rose
he got told to
subtle geyser
well being gay is just the same as being straight, neither really is an option
atomic cosmos
for honor the lore said but i think that isn't enough to drive hanzo to kill his brother
worthy rose
because genji didnt want to become leader of the shimada clan
worthy rose
genji was a playboy and he was careless when he as young
subtle geyser
and you have to do what youre told to do
and id imagine hanzo also has a lot of built up anger towards genji
atomic cosmos
right japanese empire can be really strict and brutal..
subtle geyser
because genji didnt wanna associate with all the work
worthy rose
iron plume
Genji wasn't going to become the leader either way, Hanzo was supposed to be
But he didn't want to follow the business and its rules, so the elders/other members considered him a hindrance
Hanzo did what he was told, but not just because he was told
He believed it was necessary
subtle geyser
and genji was supposed to help out with the clan
subtle geyser
Hanzo, demanded that Genji take a more active role in their late father's empire.
atomic cosmos
more faster and no more of those human limit i think
i think the correct word for that is enhanced endurance
subtle geyser
i mean he can do super human things
for example his dash is canon
like you see in zero hour or dragons
atomic cosmos
enhanced strength
subtle geyser
speed too
atomic cosmos
deflecting null titan fireball is no small feat and not possible for human to do
subtle geyser
no i was curious if thats its name or not
since titan is a kinda specific name
id just call it a giant robot
young flax
Attack on titan confirmed?
subtle geyser
well overwatch used to be called titan
subtle geyser
not really
titan was cancelled and they made overwatch out of the stuff they liked
young flax
Oh I think I remember hearing that
subtle geyser
i think titan was supposed to be a mmo im not too sure
iron plume
it was
young flax
Yeah probably overwatch was mmo esk
subtle geyser
for example genji was called hanzo
young flax
And especially with the additions to ow 2
subtle geyser
and pharah was male
atomic cosmos
i can't really imagen....how character with ability like tracer would fit mmo
subtle geyser
tracer is a pretty awesome character tbh
young flax
Oh damn secret tech. I had no idea we knew so much of titan
subtle geyser
ability wise
young flax
Isn't teacher in hots
iron plume
Genji wasn't called Hanzo, it was a single Shimada that had both the sword and the bow
young flax
Tracer
subtle geyser
i love games that include a lot of mobility and control over your character
iron plume
they split off genji into a separate one after
but that was already for Overwatch, long after Titan's shelving
young flax
Party Magician is the giver of titan knowledge
atomic cosmos
yeah i think only tracer is...just came straight from titan
subtle geyser
he was still called hanzo @iron plume
Originally, Hanzo and his brother Genji were created as a single cyborg-ninja character named Hanzo, who wielded both a bow and sword.
atomic cosmos
with no big design change and abilities
iron plume
Genji wasn't "called hanzo"
Genji didn't exist
iron plume
There's cases where the same character had a change of name
atomic cosmos
they did named it hanzo and the art is awesome
the art look like genji's cyborg body wearing hanzo's outfit
subtle geyser
they split aspects and made genji and hanzo
iron plume
The hero who ended up as Pharah was at one point called Mercy
young flax
Yeah I get what you're both saying. Just that it existed and became hanzo and genji
subtle geyser
yes
iron plume
but Genji was never called Hanzo
young flax
@iron plume Wot. That's neat
atomic cosmos
mercy is also male btw on project titan
subtle geyser
genji and hanzo were one character called hanzo
iron plume
I'm aware
subtle geyser
so technically he was called hanzo
young flax
Do any of them have anything that reference titan or what they were before
subtle geyser
and his looks?
iron plume
his looks were almost all Hanzo
atomic cosmos
i think my memory fail me they did call it '' genji ''
subtle geyser
no it wasnt look up the hanzo art
iron plume
the concept you're referring to of a buff black dude in a Valkyrie-ish costume was a healer class from titan
subtle geyser
he has genjis robot face and more
iron plume
and it being an MMO you could have your own character built
aight that's not the one i thought of, that is closer
iron plume
still wouldn't refer to a combined character as "he was named hanzo" but you do you
anyway
subtle geyser
not much resembling hanzo
iron plume
Mercy-Mercy was never the black dude
or at least if she was it was at the very early stage when they were picking out the possibilities
the one in the artbook is the MMO class
iron plume
She became a blonde Swiss woman much earlier than she became "Mercy"
rustic geyser
That can be taken multiple ways 💀💀
iron plume
best not
atomic cosmos
😦 why hanzo didn't received that...cyber bow it look awesome thou
those laser string man the possibility of cool sound effect everytime hanzo pull his arrow
young flax
@rustic geyser lore only pls sir. No kink shame just shame
@atomic cosmos surely they'll make a skin with it sometimss
rustic geyser
Pfff
atomic cosmos
they missed the opportunity 🙂
anniversary have cyber ninja hanzo skin and that skin have nothing '' cyber ''
rustic geyser
There already is-
young flax
Yeah it was pretty dumb but what if they have a tie in skin where genji and hanzo look basically the same with titan looks?
Called shimada or something
rustic geyser
WAITTT
Nah a Genji skin that just replaces Green for Orange/ Yellow-
Like for Hanzo-
iron plume
That'd make their silhouettes very similar
which is a big no as skin design goes
It's a reason that armor-less Pharah took so long and why they regret making Soldier's Origins skin have a cape
atomic cosmos
oh
frosty shell
Mercy's original name was Angelica
atomic cosmos
i thought it was pharah ?
iron plume
👆
Back in the concept stage Pharah was "rocket queen"
but at some point she was Mercy
atomic cosmos
my memory fail me then thanks for clearing it up
grand wedge
Back to the Null Sector big robot : I'm not sure they called it a Titan officially? Torbjorn fight agaisnt one in his comic, and it sems even bigger than the one Winston & co fight in Zero Hour. They certainly look alike
umbral temple
:0 so did Torbjörn win
worthy rose
I love how memey torb is in game but he’s such a bad ass in the comics
undone storm
its true
his personality is very different in the comics
its a bit of a problem imo
peak escarp
a few heroes have a disconnect between their personality in the lore and in the game
sharp rover
I have no PhD in genetics...
but if you're short your kids should be short too right?
sharp rover
then why tf does torbjorn have a 6 feet tall daughter
peak escarp
it's not a guarantee though
scenic citrus
^
peak escarp
Torb's wife is normal height
and even two parents with dwarfism can have normal sized children
scenic citrus
Exactly
Just rare
Hell,someone could have a 7'0 kid even if the parents were both 4'10
Just like,basically impossible
peak escarp
on the show "Little People, Big World", both parents had dwarfism but only one of their kids did
sharp rover
it doesn't make sense
peak escarp
genetics
sharp rover
brig is probably taller than her mother
peak escarp
we don't know how tall her mother is
subtle geyser
by that logic only the first ever humans could be the tallest
sharp rover
and they say brig is the youngest?
peak escarp
yes
sharp rover
then all their children are taller than torb?
this defies life
you have to be tall to get a wife tho :[
peak escarp
we haven't seen Torb's other kids - the children here are his grandkids
some of his other kids might be short
sharp rover
which one is brig?
peak escarp
Brig is standing behind Reinhardt
sharp rover
oh oof
my eyes don't work
you can see torbs wife is about his height
i think that's tor b on the seat
sharp rover
and torb's a midget?
peak escarp
peak escarp
yes
distant wyvern
lol
peak escarp
it's from her origin story
peak escarp
and in case you were wondering how two blonde parents can have a child with red/auburn hair
basic hair colour is controlled by 2 genes - one for the range between blonde and brown, and one for red hair
her parents are probably heterozygous for the red hair gene
sharp rover
yeah yeah recessive and dominant
whateves but like
are you SURE she's not adopted?
peak escarp
yes
sharp rover
😆
Yes she is adopted. She has a Stockholm dialect instead of a Gothenburg one. Wrong coast of Sweden
from what i found on the web
peak escarp
she is not adopted
sharp rover
lol
limpid agate
Theres nothing to say other than she isnt adopted
It shouldn't be a point of debate
peak escarp
if we were basing things off accents/dialects, then Zarya isn't really Russian, Mercy isn't really Swiss, Lucio isn't really Brazillian, etc.
sharp rover
mercy is swiss
peak escarp
but they are, because we're told that they are
subtle geyser
yeah mercy doesnt really talk with a swiss accent
sharp rover
she speaks german
peak escarp
Torbjorn has brown eyes
sharp rover
wait what
peak escarp
subtle geyser
hazel is a type of brown?
sharp rover
what if she dyed her hair?
hollow siren
Now to something that does not make me loose hope for humanity.
Do we have any form of motive as to why Gabriel joined Talon?
peak escarp
we don't know why Reyes joined Talon
we do know that he blames Jack and Overwatch for his condition
sharp rover
well the designers in blizzard are lazy
hollow siren
didn't wanna listen to his jokes
@sharp rover
In lore building this would not be a motive
peak escarp
her hair colour is natural, we see it as a child
sharp rover
hmm
kk
but the designers are actually lazy
they copied mercy's face onto brig
like come on
peak escarp
they did not
hollow siren
The designers at Blizzard are some of the best we've seen.
subtle geyser
hollow siren
Blizzard is known of their fantastic character designs, and that was some of the reason why Overwatch got so popular. Because there were unique and interesting characters.
subtle geyser
even then its not the same face
sharp rover
look at the gif
subtle geyser
mercys face isnt as round as brigitte
peak escarp
her jaw and nose have completely different shapes
peak escarp
of course things are going to look similar if you crossfade them
subtle geyser
everything looks similar in crossfade
sharp rover
i'm somehow getting the gist that brig is Mercy and Torb's child
sharp rover
god help me
limpid agate
Brig is Torb and Ingrid's child
This should not be a point of debate
We know her parents
We were explicitly told they were her parents
They are her parents
Ingrid is literally pregnant with her in the Brig teaser trail
limpid agate
!!shitposting
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limpid agate
Consider this your final warning
iron plume
if you put a transition like that, any faces will start to look similar
lament prawn
no, but you picked a character that has wildly stylized proportions, thats as silly as including orisa or hammond in a comparison. but you can use the same fade transition on half the roster and your brain will fill in the gaps and say that they look similar, especially considering those brig and mercy pics are at the same angle to the camera with very similar expressions. in stylized worlds, its less about making related characters look similar, more about creating appealing looking characters in general whose faces fit their personality. the designers are lazy because [uses one example that isnt even true while ignoring all the other unique designs]
subtle geyser
its similar but there are definitely differences in shape and sizes
peak escarp
similar != the same
I do wish the game's art style was closer to the concept art style, where characters looked a little more unique
frosty shell
It's probably not that easy to model the same faces as the concept art
sharp rover
like lol splash art
limpid agate
Its not just a matter of ease
Sometimes, it looks better as concept art
But when put into a model, it doesnt look as good
Mei is a good example
peak escarp
yeah
stoic matrix
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umbral temple
does overwatch believe in magic, to some extent?
young knoll
no, there is no magic
sharp rover
guys
umbral temple
what are the dragons made of
subtle geyser
we dont know but we assume its hard light tech
young knoll
unknown
umbral temple
like the spirit dragons or whatever
sharp rover
自分でファックして
go in google translate
@stoic matrix this guy is shitposting
limpid agate
!!shitposting @stoic matrix
twilit nacelleBOT
@stoic matrix Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
limpid agate
what are the dragons made of
This is the best answer we have
we dont know but we assume its hard light tech
We do know what they are not made from
They are NOT magic
umbral temple
oh well since “only shimada can control the dragons” I just thought it was magic or something
young knoll
Hanzo is a bit dramatic
peak escarp
it's probably a family secret
subtle geyser
well its probably a family secret
peak escarp
physically, the dragons resemble hard-light - they're bright, glowing, semi-solid constructs
mechanically, they behave like Symmetra's old photon orbs - they pass through solid objects while doing damage
undone storm
I think its just magic, ngl
peak escarp
it's not
limpid agate
We know its not Magic
peak escarp
the writers confirmed there is no magic in Overwatch
undone storm
I wonder why he said that "only a shimada can controll the dragons" tho
limpid agate
it's probably a family secret
mechanically, they behave like Symmetra's old photon orbs - they pass through solid objects while doing damage
Both in the lore also have energy draining properties
peak escarp
odds are we won't ever get a proper explanation, so these guesses are the best we have
young knoll
plus they aren't really that important compared to Hanzo and Genji's personal importance, probably
undone storm
do we know how mercy's healing ray, Ana and Baptiste munition and Roadhog gaz can heal ?
peak escarp
Mercy, Ana and Baptiste's healing are all derived from the nanobiotic healing that Mercy discovered/invented
undone storm
(and moira too of course)
peak escarp
Roadhog's canister has a gas in it that counteracts radiation poisoning
limpid agate
!!wiki Hogdrogen
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limpid agate
Moira's is the same as Mercy's
undone storm
and Moira invented a tech that reverse the process, right ?
undone storm
so what did she invented ?
"Moira was able to reverse the effects of Mercy's biotic technology, creating a chemical that slowly decays a target."
sharp rover
isn't that what happened to reaper?
undone storm
probably
his body is probably constantly decaying and reparing himself
undone storm
in game
its not canon
limpid agate
"Moira was able to reverse the effects of Mercy's biotic technology, creating a chemical that slowly decays a target."
Where did you find this quote?
I dont think that was ever said
peak escarp
Reaper's body is constantly decaying because of what Moira did to him, and constantly regenerating because of his SEP genetic alteration
he's stuck in a perpetual loop
that he does have some control over (although it seems like he has less control when he's injured, like we saw when he gets hit in Infiltration)
undone storm