having Helix as an enemy force would also provide the opportunity for us to play as Talon, since they need "good guys" to fight
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
atomic cosmos
like by the time that happened we already have ana joined winston's Overwatch it would be..really interesting to see the moment where daughter tried to capture her own mother
peak escarp
Ana didn't join Winston
atomic cosmos
not yet ?
peak escarp
she and Soldier are off doing their own thing
atomic cosmos
ah
peak escarp
Soldier wants to find out what happened behind the Swiss Base explosion that lead to Overwatch shutting down (and him and Reaper being declared dead)
atomic cosmos
soo it's quest for revenge ?
peak escarp
pretty much
atomic cosmos
it's gonna be a long mission then since...he still didn't know who is to blame for swiss base explosion
peak escarp
you can also read the short story Bastet to see what they're up to now
he suspects Talon
onyx zodiac
i am not a talon agent, agent of shadows
battle pass does snap
from the far pastwest
peak escarp
what
onyx zodiac
its lore dude
peak escarp
how is that lore?
limpid agate
!!shitposting @onyx zodiac
twilit nacelleBOT
@onyx zodiac Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
onyx zodiac
gg
limpid agate
Final warning
little sail
I don't see why that guy isn't banned...he does that everyday
I guess nobody reports to modmail about him
or at least muted
boreal egret
Taiga-via is a mod they have already been warned
little sail
I know
pallid harness
SOMEONE GET ME ZENYATTA LORE
limpid agate
SOMEONE GET ME ZENYATTA LORE
@pallid harness Zenyatta will be in the Overwatch 2 story. He is currently in India for an unknown reason.
hoary condor
Is roadhog a really big talking pig or like mutated or something? I’ve always wonder about this
iron plume
no, he's human
hoary condor
Oh ok, thank you @iron plume for the clarification. 
undone storm
in the first ideas, they wanted to make him more mutated since he now lives in a irradiated wasteland, but he was still a human even in these first concept arts.
atomic cosmos
since they haven't showed us roadhog '' mako '' face ( confirmed by taiga )
we don't know if he mutated or still normal human being
undone storm
imo, he is still kinda normal, but he has gone mad
we can see his eye in the final concept art so someone drew his face, but its just fanon
https://pm1.narvii.com/6387/303bd19162f31a4c527a267783f62bb8be1d2382_hq.jpg
but I do think he look like that
onyx zodiac
like that is okay
leaden sigil
haha lore go brrrr
undone storm
sure thing, man
grand wedge
Jeff said that they'll probably never show us Roadhog face
undone storm
yes, and that's a good thing imo
teal meadow
You guys think mauga is a good guy or a bad guy?
Let's be honest, we know talon soldiers are pricks, but mauga seemed different
rustic geyser
Mauga is definitely a bad guy
I can see him being like Sombra, like having his own intentions
grand wedge
He is there for the money and the violence
iron plume
he has no issue with Talon's goals or methods
rustic geyser
Like I don’t see him as the type of be 100% a follower of Talon, that likes everything about it
teal meadow
In the present timeline of ow, i can see his own intention is to bring back baptiste or killing him
rustic geyser
Yeah he’s there for the money
teal meadow
Like an antihero?
rustic geyser
No, likeeee Kano from Mortal Kombat
teal meadow
Unfortunatly i never played it
iron plume
Sombra is an antihero
rustic geyser
He’s an antagonist, but is only in it for his own personal greed
iron plume
Mauga is still a villain, just a more jolly one than Doomfist or Moira
rustic geyser
Oh wait, yeah then
teal meadow
Sombra's goal is to manipulate the world
iron plume
not really? at least not from what we've seen
Her goal is to reveal the Conspiracy
rustic geyser
What even is the Conspiracy
iron plume
well
we don't know
it's kind of the point
teal meadow
We don't know that yet, and i think it's even forgotten by the writers
undone storm
nah, I honestly dont think it has been
remember, we also thought Liao had also been forgotten by the writers
as for Sombra, I wouldnt be surprised if she helped the good guys temporally
if she consider that it would help her to manipulate and control more peoples
atomic cosmos
mauga is some type of a guy that only care about money i think
undone storm
yes, but he also seems dedicated to Talon
lament prawn
finding and exposing the conspiracy, and knowing who’s in control is literally sombra’s entire goal, its not something that can just be forgotten by the writers
undone storm
perhaps its actually a metaphor about the game devs
after all, they are the ones in controll
but it probably isnt
valid terrace
It probably would have been the Blizzard logo if that was the case
Rather than the all seeing eye
umbral temple
do you think dva gets uncomfortable in the mech
polar jackal
for as long as we know
she already had eight back surgeries and now has a metal spine
thats y she so flexible
umbral temple
oh
valid terrace
Uh, no
The mech is cushioned and as a pro gamer she’s likely experienced in remaining stationary for long periods of time
The position is actually healthier than sitting afaik
D.Va has not received any surgeries or enhancements as far as we know
mint kelp
I want to know the whole Overwatch story does anyone know where to start? sorry for interrupting current topic, I already watched all the cinematics and origin stories
frosty totem
grand wedge
@mint kelp check the pins, all is listed there on this channel
valid terrace
In my opinion the best order is cinematics-comics-stories-news-arg-tweets-etc
The further down you go the harder the info is to find
Oh and the book somewhere in the middle of that
valid terrace
Yes it’s called Hero of Numbani
modern phoenix
Yeah
valid terrace
It’s newly released and mostly follows Efi leading up to Orisa’s creation
Yeah that’s from when Sombra was released
Before it rather
There is minor lore there
mint kelp
Damn didn't know all this
valid terrace
Yeah most of the lore stuff gets released in secret it feels like
Except the stories
mint kelp
Yeah I will follow your order, I've watched all the cinematics so I guess I'll go to the comics next
modern phoenix
There's also some events that has a bunch of lore on it
grand wedge
the only thing you have to read in order is Legacy, Old Soldiers, then Bastet then Valkyrie. (for the Ana arc)
mint kelp
Will do
modern phoenix
peak escarp
that one is noncanon
chilly peak
it says it's official
grand wedge
It’s for fun. I mean, cats with fishes...
chilly peak
"Blizzard reached out to me to create an animation for "Ana's Bastet Challenge""
iron plume
it's "official" as in "supported by Blizzard"
grand wedge
You don’t have to see it.
iron plume
it doesn't mean it's canon
undone storm
we now know that ana is a furry with that skin
seriously now, is this skin canon ?
peak escarp
it's just a mask
grand wedge
The mask is canon yes
peak escarp
representing an Egyptian goddess
undone storm
right, ty
its in that short story that we heard that Soldier is homosexual, right ?
I hope we'll learn more about Vincent
peak escarp
we probably won't
Vincent isn't important
he's Jack's ex from 30 years ago and is now happily married to another man
rustic geyser
He’s all alone, what a shameee
peak escarp
he's too dedicated to his mission
undone storm
his personal vendetta you mean
but yeah
he's a good guy at least
rustic geyser
So what about Reaper’s family?
Y’all think those people he was spying on are his partner and child? Sibling?
peak escarp
I think one of the adults (probably the woman) is his child and the kid is his grandchild
rustic geyser
Oh fuck yeah I forgot he’s like 60
peak escarp
she looks the right age to be his kid
rustic geyser
I wonder who the mother is
Who did Reaper officially give his Painfully Thicc Thighs too?
undone storm
do you think we will learn more about the Kurjikstan, one day ?
after all, its so far the only fictional nation Blizzard has invented for OW (I dont think Numbani is part of a fictionnal world, I think its a city-state like Monaco, Singapore or the Vatican)
probably because they didnt wanted to say the name of a real autoritarian nation in this part of the world
but still, if we learned more, perhaps if we got a map, it would be neat I think
like, it would allow the devs to have different kind of architecture, more militarist, intimidating, dictatorship, that would worship the regime in place
atomic cosmos
do you guys think...reaper is double agent ?
atomic cosmos
yeah the idea reaper being double agent because gerard secretly alive ( survived widowmaker's assassination attempt ) is stupid when i think about it again
peak escarp
Gerard being secretly alive brings up a whole new set of issues
it would completely invalidate Widowmaker's backstory
limpid agate
do you think we will learn more about the Kurjikstan, one day ?
Maybe.
It would be interesting to revisit it.
The only other fictional nation is the city state of Numbani.
pliant sparrow
He's already killed at least a few former ow agents so I doubt he's a double agent
atomic cosmos
cuz that what best double agent do right ? ( well mostly )
worthy rose
Uhh?
peak escarp
I don't think a double agent would start executing former Overwatch agents
gusty sluice
Is it true that Reaper is hunting Overwatch agents or just hunting Soldier 76 and Ana?
limpid agate
The first one
peak escarp
slender reef
gusty sluice
Reaper cannot be a double agent if he is hunting Overwatch agents.
grand wedge
Gabriel Reyes was an army officer. These guy used to make difficult strategic decisions to win the war against Omnics. What is few lives if you can save thousands kind of decisions, you know?
Killing few Overwatch agents just to be able to get to defeat the "big ennemy" - I could see that happen. Taking the blame, but get the job done.
I really need to know how his view changed from Retribution to join Talon and just go with his ennemy.
swift mason
As we see in the reflections comic, reaper still has some humanity in him, so it’s not impossible for him to have a redemption arc, but in truth it would be tricky to pull off
grand wedge
I love this grey area he is in. Actually, a LOT of characters are in grey areas. But I can see why it can be tricky with Reaper yeah.
subtle geyser
@limpid agate wait how was illidan retconned?
didnt he always get imprisoned by maiev shadowsong?
placid fulcrum
idk what Taiga said, but Illidan absolutely was retconned, more thna once even
in the original companion chronicle to warcraft 3, it was stated that illidan betrayed the night elves to the legion for real, once he realized that they were going to destroy the sunwell, the source of his powers
it was later retconned in the War of the Ancients book trilogy
then, in Burning Crusade, every time we see him he makes speeches about how he's doing everything solely for power.
but then suddenly, in the Illidan novel, released 10 years later, it suddenly turns out that he was lying the whole time, and his goal was to defeat the legion all along
he literally told tyrande in WC3 that he doesn't care about the legion and the only reason he's helping her is because he has hots for her
undone storm
do we know when was the accident of Siebren de Kuiper (sigma) compared to the present ?
grand wedge
We can only speculate about it
It could be during the last 6 years
Most likely
They are launching a new space station when Storm Rising was happening iirc. Also Sibrien may have been in said space station for his experiment ( the one that is represented in Lijiang Tower)
All that is based on an interaction between Mercy and Winston, talking about Dr Chao, and also Lijiang Tower map.
undone storm
I noted that the holographic representation of the space station seems to have changed again
before, it was just "pinging"
now, there are traits of light all around it, and especially around the room where de Kuiper probably was
was it always there ?
grand wedge
I can’t remember how it was before. But yes there is the warning ⚠️ logo on it with electricity surrounding it
undone storm
to me, it could be the beginning of a new teaser for something
I imagined that there could be a push map inside the orbital ring
grand wedge
To me it’s related to Sigma accident.
No need in teasing content for OW2 inside OW1 that would be just mean without a proper release date
undone storm
yes, but since it seems to have changed recently, it could be something
its like the "grey" thing on the antarctica map
what is it ?
grand wedge
It was already changed before Sigma first teasers
It not so recent
Grey snow globe is the only thing we have no context or connexions yet
undone storm
oh, okay
pliant sparrow
Warcraft lore 
undone storm
do we know what field of research winston is working into ?
peak escarp
he seems like an engineer/physicist
frosty shell
Given what he's built
undone storm
okay, nice
what are the other major fields of research that dont have yet a character ? I'm mostly thinking of archeology and oceanography
but I think I forgot other things
peak escarp
Dr. Hamid Faisal is an archaeologist - he's the one leading the Petra excavation
and is known to Ana
frosty shell
Yep
undone storm
hmm 🤔
what is the origin of this name ? Israel, Jordan, something else ?
pliant sparrow
Psychology related character might be interesting
limpid agate
Sounds like a boring character base that can't translate to gameplay very well
undone storm
somebody studing the brain and human mind, however, could make something interesting
he could buff allies and/or debuff ennemies
subtle geyser
did you guys see this yet
i didnt know they made a "timeline"
so the museum job was also relatively recent (around recall)
peak escarp
most of the lore we've gotten is recent
except Legacy, Retribution, Uprising, The Last Bastion, the halloween party seen in Junkenstein, and the flashback sections of Rise and Shine and Honor and Glory
boreal egret
What’s Legacy? Sounds familiar but I can’t seem to think of it
peak escarp
the comic where Ana loses a sniper battle to Widowmaker
frosty shell
and Storm Rising too
peak escarp
I was just listing comics and shorts, but yeah
grand wedge
@subtle geyser yes they added it during last Blizzcon.
subtle geyser
yeah i just never really noticed the ow2 website
its pretty awesome
It’s up to you and your friends to stop Null Sector, the elite forces of Talon, and other enemies of Overwatch from carrying out their plans.
so it wont only be talon and null sector we fight against
grand wedge
You can add the Gwishins - and maybe Helix?
pliant sparrow
I think the gwishin is the most likely to get at least one appearance
grand wedge
Yeah, they can not not make the Gwishin attack the MEKA bas and Korea.
subtle geyser
they shouldve just swam underwater until they reach land smh
dva wont be able to do much against them there
peak escarp
Helix would be nice
subtle geyser
yeah id guess theyll make them shady though
i know theyre government hired
in cairo they were i think
grand wedge
So yes, the UN is founding them so the public wasn’t happy to learn that
subtle geyser
and they didnt care about protecting the people
grand wedge
Yes they supervised Anubis
subtle geyser
it was in valkyrie
grand wedge
Only protect the AI
subtle geyser
yeah
grand wedge
Yes Mercy doesn’t like them
peak escarp
they can still be the "good guys"
if there's any chance of getting missions where we play as Talon, we'll need some "good guys" to fight
undone storm
I think, at the end, that most of the neutral peoples will rally to the new OW : the crusaders, the RDF, Helix, the MEKA, etc
because, well, its either that or they all die one after the others
peak escarp
RDF?
undone storm
russian defence forces
peak escarp
also I don't know if the Crusaders are still active
undone storm
good question
if they are not, whats remaining of them will rally to OW recall
because their sence of duty will impose them to
and also because its litteraly the beginning of ww4
even peoples like deadlock and the junkers will a way or another join the fight
peak escarp
I don't think they will
Deadlock is a criminal gang
the Junkers just care about themselves
valid terrace
I think the junkers have a good chance of bashing some bots
Maybe do a little opportunistic looting
undone storm
I think at least junkrat and roadhog will be engaged by either talon or ow to fight
id say more OW since, well, OW is fighting robots
valid terrace
They are both world class criminals
I don’t think new ow is interested in their help
undone storm
in a fight for the survival of mankind, does that really matter ?
valid terrace
Yes
undone storm
oh ok
as for deadlock, well, perhaps our good old friend Mcree will try to do some pourparler with Ashe
valid terrace
At least to Winston 
undone storm
speaking of winston, I hope our favorite hamster will join the call too
valid terrace
Yeah McCree is kind of freeballing rn so there’s a lot of ways he could play into the fold
Tbh I kind of hope Hammond declines and does his own thing
I see him a lot like Sombra but without the same thirst for power
undone storm
I think all heroes will get one main mission
valid terrace
I doubt that
We know that not every hero will be featured in the launch campaign
And we don’t know the extent of hero missions in lore
undone storm
no, but since OW2 will probably be followed for years, I think they will add more missions
it would be a shame if only a few heroes were in the spotlight
valid terrace
I agree but not all of them make sense to be in it with the current story
I’d prefer if we had to wait for their moment rather than inclusion for inclusion’s sake
Especially considering the slew of new characters well on their way
undone storm
I trust the scenarists on that
peak escarp
he's not likely to get her to help
valid terrace
She wouldn’t knowingly want his either unless she was truly backed to a corner
He could trick her similarly to the train though
peak escarp
possibly
undone storm
again
I'm confident that the scenarists will find a good reason for her to temporaly fight alongside mcree
valid terrace
I think at least some of the characters would be better off as neutral
Like Symmetra or Wrecking Ball
and Sigma or Moira
undone storm
i'm sure we'll get a mission with the both of them at route 66
well, since we had a glimpse of the India map probably during a mission involving genji and Zenyatta, it would be weird if we didnt saw Sym
as for Sigma and Moira, they wont be neutral
Sigma, perhaps, but he's manipulated by Talon
as for Moira, she is one of the leading figure of the council of Talon alongside Doomfist and Maximilien
peak escarp
Sigma and Moira are already aligned with Talon
undone storm
I still think that Sigma will suddenly realises that he is manipulated by talon since the beginning and go enraged, destroying his cell and disappearing somewhere, a bit like Bucky in Captain America : Civil War
peak escarp
Sigma doesn't seem like the "enraged" type
valid terrace
I don’t even think Sigma would find an issue with how they’re “manipulating” him, they’re leaving him to do his research so they can duplicate or utilize the results
Which is pretty standard for research
undone storm
no
but he can become enraged of what talon has done with his discoveries
even calm peoples can become really mad when they discover that they have been manipulated
besides, remember that he got probably the most powerful ability in all of the OW lore, mixed with an instable mind
and you got an explosive cocktail
peak escarp
he'd probably try to sabotage them from the inside
valid terrace
He might just fudge some numbers and render the research useless to someone who doesn’t already understand it
Which, as far as we know, is only Sigma himself anyways
peak escarp
Siebren seems like the type who wouldn't realize his power, and would easily be controlled by threats
his incomplete voicelines make him sound somewhat meek
undone storm
we will see
but we shouldnt underestimate this man, it would be a big mistake, I think.
and again : his mind is really instable, so he could (i'm not saying he will) become extremely angry if he discover the truth
undone storm
he doenst seems
but he is one
peak escarp
regardless of what his origin trailer indicates
undone storm
I think he doenst realises how powerful and violent he is
at least, not yet
I just hope we wont stay in the status quo for this character
undone storm
because he doenst realises the world around him
remember : his brain is a litteral black hole, now
peak escarp
he's still coherent and aware of his surroundings
his brain isn't literally a black hole
limpid agate
Whats the discussion here
peak escarp
whether Sigma is violent and would go berserk if he found out he was being used
undone storm
i'm not so sure about that
we really see that in the gameplay, while he is fighting, he constantly seems to be thinking about something else, patterns, theories, etc
He has a mental sickness
I think he would
limpid agate
Why
undone storm
again, its a bit like Hulk for example
usually very calm
peak escarp
all of Sigma's voice lines are calm
undone storm
but with a very powerful hiden power
limpid agate
We have not once seen him angry
Even in the origins story with the violence mention
He is very calm
undone storm
but again, i'm probably wrong
peak escarp
you can be both calm and powerful
think of Magneto
if we are going to make a Winter Soldier comparison for any hero, it would be Widowmaker
undone storm
hmm...yeah, that would make more sence
but while Sigma is manipulated
she has been brainwashed
peak escarp
conditioned, not brainwashed
undone storm
oh, ok
but still, I dont think she will leave talon and go winter soldier style
the chances are pretty low
peak escarp
not without outside help
and even then, she enjoys killing
that won't change if she leaves Talon
undone storm
yes
I wonder tho
will they kill heroes in the campaign ?
limpid agate
undone storm
playable heroes I mean ?
limpid agate
Probably not
undone storm
perhaps in the "endgame" of overwatch, but not before
sorry if I compare a lot to marvel
but I believe there are sharing a lot of things
peak escarp
there are some similarities
it's also an example a lot of people would be familiar with
undone storm
do we know how China defended themselves during the Omnic War ?
if they had any special plans, forces, techs, like the russians or the americans ?
peak escarp
I don't think it was mentioned
undone storm
shame
peak escarp
a lot of major countries aren't mentioned when it comes to how they dealt with the omnic crisis
Canada, for example (although we might learn about it with Sojourn)
undone storm
indeed
I hope we will learn more
perhaps we will get another chinese hero at some point, too
even tho I would love if we rather get a hero born in irak
peak escarp
I'd love to see a good-aligned middle-eastern male character
just because they're so rarely good guys in fiction
undone storm
me too, me too
a bit like Rashid from Street Fighter
a native from Oasis
peak escarp
Hamid Faisal would fill that role nicely
he's an archaeologist, so maybe a tank with ancient pottery-themed armor?
undone storm
why not ^^'
I was more thinking of an indiana Jones or Nathan Drake-like character
but, you know, with the blizzard touch we all know and love :p
limpid agate
There are lots of Archeologists in video games
undone storm
and yet, we dont have one yet in OW
limpid agate
Nathan Drake, Lara Croft, the League of Explorers, Ezreal, Spelunky, Professor Layton
peak escarp
I was trying to think of something that was different from those, and filled a needed role
undone storm
there are lots of potential for an archeologist in OW, yes
oh, but I didnt said it was a bad idea
limpid agate
Yes, but it would be incredibly fragile
undone storm
one day or another, we will probably get an archeologist anyway, so we shall wait and see
but I agree on that
for a legendary skin, why not
but for the default skin...mmh...i'm not so sure
aanyway, i'll see ya later
as usual, its nice to talk about OW and what we would like to see added in it
valid terrace
In the tank vein, Faisal could have some sort of industrial digging or mining equipment, in an excavator rig suit or something
Maybe an Earth shield of some kind by digging?
We don’t really have much lore on him so a lot is still on the table
last cairn
think they'll ever shed some light as to how Lena and Emily met?
peak escarp
maybe as a flashback in a short story
last cairn
suppose there'll be any characters who are bi, pans, or asexual?
peak escarp
possibly
last cairn
pansexual doesn't seem to get much representation nowadays
and I'm still a tad bit surprised from learning Soldier 76 is gay
(I been out of the loop for a while)
valid terrace
Pansexual just means you’re comfortable dating the few people who are non-binary, trans, or otherwise fall off the two party system
It’s basically just bi+
Moira would be an easy ace reveal though
As for a bi character, I think McCree or Sombra may be the most likely if anyone at all
They are both more flirtatious than most and don’t seem any less comfortable with different genders
Any character reveal would be a nice side note with some actual world lore
peak escarp
I think it's irrelevant
valid terrace
Even if they just revealed a character’s favorite food or color I would appreciate adding to the list of things we know
rustic geyser
Woahhh I don’t go on this server for like a day and y’all talking about sexuality’s damn
I mean I’m totally here for it, but still, include me in that convo damn
valid terrace
To be fair, there isn’t too much left to talk about
Once ow2 or fake blizzcon drop that will change hopefully
stiff hamlet
Let’s start with Doomfist. He legit throw a man off of a bridge, just because he was all about money. And Talon doesn’t truly care about people. Take Sombra for instance. They’re practically using her because she’s useful.
And I’m pretty sure they had Widowmaker kill her own husband. And that’s pretty messed up.
So they pretty much use people for their own needs, and dispose of people who are no longer useful to them.
peak escarp
I would argue Moira isn't evil - she just wants to advance science (at any cost)
stiff hamlet
Yeah
I think she’s one of the only council members that I wouldn’t consider evil.
I don’t know much about Sanjay though.
Do we know anything about him now that I think about it?
peak escarp
he's definitely willing to perform acts of terrorism to get what he wants
fervent jewel
you'd be suprised how much we know about quite a few characters in the overwatch universe
peak escarp
he blew up a competitor's building while competing for the Rio contract
stiff hamlet
Welp, that answers my question.
Who are the other council members (if there are anymore)? I only know of Doomfist, Reaper, Moira, and Sanjay.
peak escarp
Maximilien is the other one we know about
he's also less apparently evil than the rest - he seems to just want to make money
stiff hamlet
So in a way, he’s sort of like the guy who Doomfist threw off of a bridge? Because I’m pretty sure he was in it for the money.
peak escarp
yes
but Max is more invested in the infrastructure of Talon
he launders money through his casino
and the rum distillery
stiff hamlet
Ah, alright.
peak escarp
but the gameplay trailer hints that he's having second thoughts about starting a war against humanity
so he does have some morals
stiff hamlet
Good to know.
peak escarp
limpid agate
!!shitposting @worthy rose
twilit nacelleBOT
@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
fervent jewel
yikes
worthy rose
Oh ok. Sorry.
worthy rose
How about Reaper and Widow?Are they evil?
peak escarp
Reaper is going around killing innocent people
Widowmaker enjoys killing people
yeah, they're definitely evil
worthy rose
But isn't Widow brainwashed?
peak escarp
think of how you would train a dog to perform tricks, by rewarding it for doing they trick (or if you're heartless, punishing it until it does the trick)
basically that (the heartless version)
until Widowmaker is unable to feel joy or pleasure from anything except killing
boreal egret
Why does reaper want to kill everyone?
peak escarp
we don't know
peak escarp
it's any Overwatch agent
boreal egret
Oh ok
peak escarp
he says he blames Overwatch for his condition, but that's a terrible excuse for hunting down people who had no part in it
valid terrace
It’s like killing every member of Outback Steakhouse because you got food poisoning there
boreal egret
Damn
peak escarp
basically
rustic geyser
Oh god it’s like the Jedi Purge
worthy rose
Yeah Reaper is kinda like Darth Vader except cooler imo
boreal egret
I kinda hate reaper
boreal egret
It bugs me that he’s edgy
rustic geyser
He blames ow for something Moira did to him 👁👁
worthy rose
It never really bothers me tbh
peak escarp
Reyes was always an over-dramatic person
rustic geyser
Y’all seen the way he dresses?? It’s his vibe
worthy rose
The way he dresses is awesome
rustic geyser
Let him rock out
peak escarp
he's 100% a theatre kid
boreal egret
Lmao
rustic geyser
But unlike theatre kids he is Painfully Thicc
worthy rose
True he is the thiccest character in all of Overwatch
valid terrace
Someone obviously thought so at some point
peak escarp
he would have killed Soldier easily if he hadn't stopped to monologue
valid terrace
Wish we knew who tamed that beast
boreal egret
Did he stutter
rustic geyser
Not once
boreal egret
Lol
rustic geyser
Nah he do be giving off Disney Villain talks for a century vibes no lie
worthy rose
He is like a disney villain.He always loses because of plot armor from the heroes
boreal egret
Does anyone know who voiced Reyes in one of the Archive missions
boreal egret
Thanks
valid terrace
Just less edgy and with no filter
valid terrace
Whoa
rustic geyser
Woah, powerful throat
valid terrace
Smoky
peak escarp
boreal egret
Is that the voice of sombra
peak escarp
you can hear him do it in this video with Sombra's VA
boreal egret
Carolina rivassa right?
peak escarp
yes
boreal egret
Ok
rustic geyser
How y’all know all the voice actors, I can barely remember like 2
peak escarp
I've heard Keith doesn't like to do appearances/conventions, so it's nice that she got him to do that
because I know everything 😉
boreal egret
I only know Sombra because she so enthusiastic about sombra and it looks like she honestly loves playing her
rustic geyser
It’s kinda cool to know that the voice actors are like friends with each other
peak escarp
also because Carolina does a lot of videos with them so they get more exposure to the community
seriously, check out her channel
boreal egret
I saw her video with the voice actor of Orisa
rustic geyser
she has a Channel?
boreal egret
Yup
boreal egret
Who plays lucio
peak escarp
Lucio is Jonny Cruz
rustic geyser
I know Matthew Mercer plays Mccree and that’s it, Y’all got really good memories damn
boreal egret
And a PhD in lists
peak escarp
rustic geyser
WAIT JENNIFER HALE PLAYS ASHE?!?
boreal egret
Where else is she from?
worthy rose
Who is Jennifer Hale?
peak escarp
she's got the most voice acting credits of any female voice actor
her most famous role is Commander Shepard
rustic geyser
She’s Sonya Blade from the old Mortal Kombat tv show and Kronika in Mortal Kombat 11
Woahhhh
The Nicki Minaj of Voice Actors have been found damn
boreal egret
I can’t applaud you enough Doctor, I wouldn’t be able to keep track of a third of the charts, lists, timelines, you make
peak escarp
I also make charts and timelines
rustic geyser
Ooh
peak escarp
peak escarp
yep
rustic geyser
That’s kinda sad that only Tracer and Mei showed up between that time huh?
Makes a perfect list of possible comics and stories of what the other characters could have been up to between that time
peak escarp
most of the other shorts happen somewhere in that year
except The Last Bastion, which is 10-15 years before present
rustic geyser
Oh wait, where does the Mccree short take place?
rustic geyser
Oh cool
Wait a damn minute
The Bastion short takes place 15 years before the Game?
Or just the Flashbacks in that short?
peak escarp
there's the timeline of the shorts that Chu showed off during GDC 2017
The Last Bastion happened during the Golden Age of Overwatch
which was ~10-20 years ago
peak escarp
the flashback parts are from the crisis, which is ~30 years ago
peak escarp
either the bird has a really long lifespan, or it's not the same bird
rustic geyser
Oh yeah it could be Ganymede’s child or something
swift mason
But the bird was in the binary comic? and since OW2 takes place about 1 year after the recall, it might be possible for the bird living out an extra year
peak escarp
there's about 15 years between when we see the bird in The Last Bastion and when we see it in Binary
typical songbirds live about 10 years
rustic geyser
Oh wait the nest that has eggs in it in the game might be the awnser-
undone storm
I wonder if we'll learn more about some of these characters we spotted in "heroes"
after all, it was a teaser for two of them (Echo, even tho I prefer her design there rather than ingame with her strange face and wayy too big forehead, and Sojourn)
https://overwatch.blizzplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/blizzplanetcom-OverwatchFrames5x3.png
peak escarp
second from the left in the top row is Mirembe
undone storm
I think the guy with the blue visor and the ironjaw man could appear
peak escarp
second from the left in the second row is Kimiko
undone storm
welp, Mirembe and Kimiko too
peak escarp
we saw them in the comic Legacy
rustic geyser
Mirembe and Kimiko look so cool
rustic geyser
I lowkey want them as heroes
undone storm
idk why, but I like the beret guy too ^^
I know he is kinda generic, but generic in a good way
rustic geyser
Doesn’t one of them have kids or something?
peak escarp
bottom right corner is Wildebeest, who was a concept that eventually got turned into Reinhardt and Orisa
Kimiko has two kids
Mirembe's husband has cancer
undone storm
and honestly, who wouldnt want a guy with an overwatch beret ?
rustic geyser
I would love someone with a beret
undone storm
do we know where Mirembe is from ?
swift mason
The robot at the bottom 4th column looks like echo, maybe the O.G version
peak escarp
not her, but the name Mirembe is from Ghana/East Africa
rustic geyser
Ooo diversity we love to see it
peak escarp
Kimiko's name is Japanese
swift mason
Why does sojourn's image look more ridged compared to the smooth faces of the other agents?
undone storm
I think the man on the right of the blue visor one has some potential aswell
also, I do have the feeling that this blus visor guy is greek
he "looks" greek, he has the good profile to match, I do believe
eh, probably because it was another artist with his own style
also, I reaaally hope we'll learn more about this one :
https://external-preview.redd.it/eA7Fn64ArqZp37Y0EAP9bZ0BPg4pIlUcquCKWCzB6Qg.png?auto=webp&s=be2705632b15e307985cb3554c507abb12dfd052
he was in the forefront of the final image in the overwatch trailer after all
peak escarp
I think he evolved into Ana
undone storm
Ana ?
uh...ok
I mean, the core concept is preetty far from ana, he looks more like a dps using a flame or a gaz/acidthrower
peak escarp
he was the alchemist concept that got used for Ana
designwise they're completely different, but they had the same concept
you can see some other early designs here
@swift mason Sojourn looks more rigid because she's a cyborg
undone storm
shame some of them didnt seem to make it
but I stay confident that we'll get an hazmat dude some day
after all, its a pretty classical archetype teambased fps
worthy rose
Anyone know when Overwatch 2 releases?
undone storm
no
we can only guess, and the guesses are around end of 2020/early 2021
besides, its the wrong channel
peak escarp
the release date hasn't been announced
people have guessed anywhere between next month to 5 years from now
rustic geyser
Oop
peak escarp
but at this point even the devs don't know when it will be ready
rustic geyser
I want Mccree in Overwatch 2
worthy rose
Hes definetly gonna be there
peak escarp
every hero in the game currently will be in Overwatch 2
worthy rose
With some new heroes added probrably
rustic geyser
Oooo
peak escarp
plus ~5 more, apparently
undone storm
and even after OW2 release, they wont stop
they'll keep adding maps, heroes and other content for the pvp, dw about that, themanonline
peak escarp
yeah
atomic cosmos
the question is where mccree plan to go after he active echo ?
undone storm
Hard to tell
Which other heroes does he personally knows ?
grand wedge
He knows Overwatch. He may know some of old Blackwatch agents. In his comics he got recognized by Talon agent who was former BW.
He knew Reyes, but I don’t think he faced Reaper yet.
(Or we don’t know yet)
undone storm
It was probably just a random grunt
I think what he gotta do before joining gibraltar involves somebody we dont know yet in the OW cast
grand wedge
He also is an outlaw with a bounty on his head.
He may have some kind of favor to do to someone. Or some job to do. That’s why I ´m expecting something more related to him at some point. I’d love a short story
undone storm
Shame they dont make comics anymore
Imo, this lore has enough potential to make regular comic books
Besides, they are rumors about a cartoon, arent they ?
subtle geyser
oh man i havent even considered playing as the bad guys in ow2
i mean that would basically mean we get more sigma lore? since the team comp seems to be 1 tank 2 dps 1 heal usually
for the ow 2 missions
in rio we had lucio rein mei and tracer
im not sure what youre talking about?
undone storm
Try to pilot a ship under heavy antiair fire and you'll be a horrible pilot too
Everyone would be
atomic cosmos
nah i think echo is still in process of learning how to be a pilot by copying tracer's
undone storm
Perhaps
atomic cosmos
that is first time i heard tracer getting annoyed by her teamate
subtle geyser
did she say something to echo?
atomic cosmos
yeah horrible landing she said something like that
even when echo said '' do you want to pilot this instead '' she replied yes
undone storm
Ok
Well, not much of a big deal I think ^^'
atomic cosmos
like we still don't know how good tracer's piloting skill all we know that she is good that so become overwatch's slipstream testing pilot
atomic cosmos
yeah i like OW2 echo voice
subtle geyser
nah i prefer the current ingame voice
undone storm
I dont like both ngl
But its just personnal taste
atomic cosmos
yeah
rustic geyser
Why are they switching her voice anyways?
subtle geyser
they were trying out a few voices
you can see that in reunion and zero hour theres also different voices
i just didnt know that she also had a different one in the rio mission
rustic geyser
Wait what’s the Rio mission?
undone storm
Probably one of the very first of the campaign
subtle geyser
it was still in a very early stage there
undone storm
And yet it already looked insane and advanced
So I cant wait to see what it will be like when its over and ready to play
subtle geyser
yeah its almost been a year
atomic cosmos
im expecting a delay tbh
subtle geyser
welp im not sure when they even can announce news next
apparently they wanted to attend ign summer of gaming, but i dont see any time slot where they could announce anything
subtle geyser
yeah but cmon, we need some news
atomic cosmos
^
subtle geyser
we've been in the dark since blizzcon
atomic cosmos
we need some infos
subtle geyser
just like a progress report or some tease
lament prawn
yeah i agree
atomic cosmos
just let us know that the project is still alive
onyx zodiac
For ow2?
lament prawn
i think the most likely is the virtual gamescom at the end of the summer gamefest event
subtle geyser
no they will attend gamescom
atomic cosmos
but when that is the question
i checked the schedule multiple time but there is no blizzard
subtle geyser
blizzcon will be moved for sure
undone storm
Yes
Lets wait until Gamescom, surely they will reveal something
subtle geyser
still tho
summer of gaming was a good time
and the attending companies said blizzard is there
yet no space in the schedule for them to appear
like what
atomic cosmos
this is the only time the schedule mention blizzard
subtle geyser
you can see at the bottom blizzard is mentioned
yet if you search for "blizzard" mentions on the page, all you see is an interview with an ex blizzard employee
atomic cosmos
the lineup ?
subtle geyser
yes
undone storm
"Reduce your expectations to zero"
-Sigma, 2020
lament prawn
do they do "status updates" at the huge events like gamescom though? part of me feels all the big names are saving their content for the gamescom finale, but the other part of me thinks that a "status update" is too minor to be part of gamescom when it can come before gamescom in one of the smaller showcases
undone storm
"And also, talk lore, not release date, in this channel"
subtle geyser
they always attended gamescom except for last year
i think they showed shooting star there in 2018
atomic cosmos
expect the unexpected - someone
subtle geyser
did someone say... peanut butter? ~ scientist
atomic cosmos
monkey ? ( with french language )
subtle geyser
mmmm monki
atomic cosmos
racist omnic
he is scientist
onyx zodiac
Sans argent le monkey is the best tank
undone storm
Ok
We should get back to OW lore
worthy rose
who wonders is sourjorn will be a character (from one of the aniverseary things )
atomic cosmos
sourjorn...is look like having cyber enhancement like DF too
especially the part that show her weird gun
umbral temple
when I saw sojourn i just thought it was girl Lucio
peak escarp
really?
umbral temple
yeah
I mean I didn’t really look
I just saw the hair and thought
great another fast one
swift mason
you never know, sojourn might have a movement ability that makes her mobile, but idk what
I get that ur being sarcastic but, just a thought
valid terrace
She might cha-cha slide
umbral temple
the longer I stare at this message the funnier it gets
nobody even had a response to that
swift mason
How could you respond to that though
Anyway, OW2 is exciting, but I don't like it when people are saying "ItS tHe SaMe GaMe, It Is GoInG ToO bE bAd" Blah blah blah. they might not enjoy it, but I do, it just ruins the fun of the whole experience y'know?
when people put others down for liking something they themselves don't like
Overwatch, though minimal, has amazing stories to tell, and I for one can't wait for the future
Sorry for the rant
lament prawn
i had a rant about this the other day, and this extends beyond overwatch and even games in general, but i feel like people overall have grown high standards and non-existent respect for a lot of effort. anyone can look at a game and say "lmao looks kinda shit tbh" and that's considered 'normal' now, like way to spit in the face of who knows how many years of effort
swift mason
I agree
undone storm
I agree on that
That, or peoples will say that it has been "dEstrOYEd bY thE SJW AgEndA"
(Last of us part 2 for example)
Often both
peak escarp
no spoilers pls
undone storm
I dont, dw, its not a spoil at all 🙂
swift mason
People that do that feel like they are obligated to talk down on a game they don't like, and make fun of people for liking said game, and that is very annoying
lament prawn
that makes it even worse. you obviously shouldnt talk down to people who like something you dont, but you shouldnt be talking shit about the game itself to begin with. you dont have to like it or play it, but damn just show a little respect
peak escarp
the people hating on OW2 aren't the people it's being made for anyway
swift mason
exactly
subtle geyser
well as far as i know blizzard built the engine for overwatch from scratch, right?
swift mason
yes im pretty sure
and the engine for OW2 is just an upgraded version of that engine
subtle geyser
they also said thats why pve was such a challenge for them
swift mason
I think the upgrade part of it is for the graphic enhancement and better compatibility for pve
undone storm
Thats the real reason why I hate wojak and the "oomers", and derivated
This meme is just a way of saying that my opinion, political views and/or taste is better than yours without having to argue
swift mason
The sad part is that this can actually badly effect people's views on games and their mental health in general, almost a new generation of cyber-bullying
Someone could really like OW for example, but then get put down by multiple people that it is a bad game, and they start to belive it because its the majority
undone storm
Yeah
Anyway
We should get back to the lore
peak escarp
yeah
subtle geyser
subjective?
undone storm
Its not like we know much about Emily...
swift mason
Do we know her occupation, because how are they able to rent an apartment if tracer isn't working, so emily must be the provider at the moment
peak escarp
dunno
subtle geyser
i mean, i guess being part of overwatch's strike team should pay well lol
peak escarp
she had a lot of photos around the apartment, so maybe a journalist or photographer?
swift mason
I like to think she works at a local hospital as a nurse or something
undone storm
Sammy, remember that OW doesnt exist anymore
So she isnt part of any strike team
subtle geyser
i doubt that she didnt get paid well from overwatch
swift mason
Well we know that the overwatch bases have cafeterias and sleeping quarters
subtle geyser
oof
swift mason
that would be good
But she would get recognised a lot on the streets since, the chronal accelerator
peak escarp
5 years
swift mason
5
subtle geyser
so one year after they captured doomfist?
peak escarp
yes
subtle geyser
and he broke out around the same time as recall right?
swift mason
well they captured doomfist after the events of storm rising
subtle geyser
yeah 3 weeks after that
swift mason
I think just as he was put in jail, Overwatch got shut down
subtle geyser
also from the playoverwatch site
Since Overwatch's dissolution, Tracer has continued to right wrongs and fight the good fight wherever the opportunity presents itself.
so she didnt really have a job but was just fighting crime
imagine her as a police officer :D
thats missing a lot though dr?
swift mason
tbh since overwatch was considered 'criminals' I don't think many of them could be cops
undone storm
Stawp
Now I want a police officer skin for Tracer
peak escarp
Overwatch members weren't considered criminals
it was just Overwatch activity that was made illegal
swift mason
thats why i put quotation marks over it
peak escarp
it's not like they would get arrested just walking down the street
subtle geyser
"some of them even called us criminals" they weren't widely called that, just some people went that far
undone storm
Its not like Tracer was part of the team that saved London
swift mason
Mccree would be a criminal in the eyes of law enforcement
undone storm
Yes
subtle geyser
yeah you can see it in the first comic
peak escarp
McCree also did a lot more illegal things than Tracer
subtle geyser
that theyd push the blame on him
peak escarp
in and out of Overwatch
swift mason
He has a wanted poster too
subtle geyser
also isnt mccree wanted? he seemed to be at least
undone storm
He was part of Blackwatch after all
subtle geyser
so genji is wanted too?
that wouldnt make much sense imo
since hes part of the new overwatch now
swift mason
yeah nah
undone storm
Probably, but since he hide himself in places far away from civilisation, like the Nepal, I dont think he has been bothered too much by that
subtle geyser
i guess the new overwatch is against the law anyway so
swift mason
I know he's definitely an outlaw towards the shimadas
subtle geyser
i dont think theyre too bothered about being illegal xd
undone storm
Yes
They are vigilantes
For now
swift mason
You'd think that seeing Overwatch at the events of Rio would give law enforcement the idea that they are indeed back. that and the police lady in zero hour
undone storm
But the public will probably demand to the U.N that the petra act is canceled, especially in these times of needs
swift mason
This null sector war is just a second worldwide omnic crisis?
swift mason
I say worldwide because there is already an omnic crisin going in russia
subtle geyser
wasnt there a reaction to overwatch being back by some official? i swear i read something like that
peak escarp
undone storm
Ty
subtle geyser
yeah this
undone storm
After Paris then Rio, things will probably changes
swift mason
I reckon towards the end of the story missions of OW2, the petras act will be cancelled and overwatch officially reinstates
made legal again
peak escarp
possibly
undone storm
But it doesnt means that the golden age of OW will be back
They will be constantly watched by the U.N
swift mason
And I have a theory, y'know how there have been leaks of a possible overwatch tv series? If this does happen, it might take place after the events of OW2 following the different official missions they go on, idk just a theory
subtle geyser
itd be pretty amazing if it was in the style of doomfists origin story
undone storm
There are just not enough...anything to know up to this point
subtle geyser
i doubt it will happen
but if it does itll be amazing
uh
@limpid agate
thanks
its just a bot
chrome fern
k night guys
distant adder
who is this guy
limpid agate
All we knew was that he was not Liao
Now we know who Liao is
So its just a big question mark
I speculate he is bionic pecs
A fan nickname for this guy
Hes been shown a few times
pliant sparrow
Bionic pecs
subtle geyser
yeah id imagine hes one of the 5(+) heroes we get with overwatch 2
subtle geyser
bleh i dont want another overwatch hero that turned to talon
subtle geyser
soon tm
grand wedge
Jeff said they had long term plans for Junkerqueen a year ago
Not sure if long term was for OW2 launch... i see her more as a hero post launch
distant adder
!!comics
grand wedge
doesn"t work ^^
distant adder
!!lorehelp
subtle geyser
zeppelin?
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
distant adder
the bot
peak escarp
Junkerqueen is overrated
subtle geyser
neh shes cool
peak escarp
we don't know much about her
just that she was a former Scrapyard champion who fought in a mech, and she used her popularity from the Scrapyard to rise to power
undone storm
The guy with the aircut is probably Emre, a turkish hero
He was mentioned in a mission report called "white dome", set at Istambul, and it involved Emre, Ana, Reinhardt and Torbjorn. Thats where torb lost his arm and rein saved him.
I still deeply think we will get a OW archive mission for this operation, that will add Istambul and perhaps, at the same time, Emre to the game.
peak escarp
Emre was a throwaway name they made up for that mission
peak escarp
it was an earlier concept of Echo, yes
and in the lore, Liao made Athena before she made Echo
arctic loom
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/143/590x/Overwatch-map-character-Athena-706224.jpg also im remember seeing it in a trailer
thinking all are friends
lol
and thinking all was from overwatch
team
limpid agate
Its not Emre
peak escarp
Michael: Operation White Dome is a fairly important event in the story of Overwatch. We have nothing certain for Emre Sarioglu but are considering coming up with a backstory for him.```Yeah, when I am reading this, I am even more certain that we will get an archive mission ablout White Dome
They cant ignore an "important event in the story of Overwatch".
limpid agate
You need Emre first
lament prawn
there wont be another archives mission
limpid agate
Also, Archives is a dead event
peak escarp
Archives was to set up the reasons Overwatch fell in the last few years
I don't think they'd go back to crisis era events
peak escarp
there's also the issue of Ana
they'd have to change her kit for a Crisis mission
she didn't become a healer until after her "death"
peak escarp
same goes for Reyes for any mission before Retribution
undone storm
But, how will we get the skins we missed if there are no archive event ?
peak escarp
the cosmetics will probably get moved to a different event, or just added to base boxes
lament prawn
perhaps the yearly event that takes the april slot in replacement of archives is what they'll use as the "mission addon" event where the PvE story gets more missions, they could dump the skins there
peak escarp
they could still do "historical" missions as special events
it's just hard to make appropriate teams of 4 with the heroes we have now
(teams of 4 that include at least 1 support is even harder)
iron plume
wonder if they're gonna give us sniper ana
since they're massively expanding kits for pve anyway
arctic loom
ana was called sombra
iron plume
wouldn't be too out of hand to make up an entirely new one
arctic loom
back then
iron plume
no
arctic loom
someone remember?
undone storm
I think the mission at Gothenburg will have Rein, Torb, Brig and Bastion
And that it will be the first time that Rein meet Bastion
iron plume
Ana was only called Sombra by the community because both Ana and Sombra's hints were in the game at the same time
peak escarp
aside from the teams we've already seen, we could also have Team Lindholm (Brigitte, Torbjorn, Reinhardt, Bastion)
iron plume
so people thought it was the same hero
undone storm
We wrote it at the same time ^^'
iron plume
oh that does sound neat
peak escarp
as usual
arctic loom
in 2016 reindhart in voice lines files had a line
lament prawn
@peak escarp isnt that already a mission? it shows them together in the gameplay trailer
iron plume
yes, so
undone storm
We dont see Bastion in it
arctic loom
bastion is with torbjorn
iron plume
yes
undone storm
Yes
peak escarp
it was seen in the gameplay trailer
undone storm
Gothenburg looks amazing btw
I hope we will still be able to have the old skins
I love the new ones
But I'll feel nostalgic
lament prawn
bastion is on the left
undone storm
Oh, nicely found !
I didnt saw him
peak escarp
it's much rounder, and has Torbjorn's hat
arctic loom
before
undone storm
We have a full armor team right here
peak escarp
it was shown at a panel at Blizzcon
arctic loom
bastion with cap
peak escarp
also retired Torbjorn in jeans
arctic loom
so cool
undone storm
I like torb new look
He looks like a biker