TLDR; mei is bae in story, Satan in game
#lore-discussion
swift mason
subtle geyser
can you stop trolling abdulla
proven walrus
What
subtle geyser
this channel is for normal discussion
subtle geyser
check rule 1
proven walrus
Alrighty
subtle geyser
@limpid agate
proven walrus
@subtle geyser but I wasn’t doing that
subtle geyser
im just saying i doubt you're serious about lore discussion if you call mei a "fat ass hoe" and "fat"
worthy rose
I mean, for most of the heroes, this rule does aply: Widow has a cold and lonely gameplay, Doomfist is very up-to-front and agressive, both in combat and personality-wise. Of course it doesn't aply to every hero exactly but most of them follow this trend.
worthy rose
Now, Mei's is the factual opposite. Close, agressive, high-damage, frustrating, opressive and oportunist gameplay
proven walrus
Truth
subtle geyser
i mean
zen isnt really portrayed like he usually is either
ability/gameplay wise
worthy rose
Zen has a lot of problems in general
But his gameplay is somewhat calm (doesn't move a lot)
subtle geyser
im more talking about his abilities though
discord orb
shooting balls
we dont even know much about him tbh
compared to other characters
grand wedge
This is the lore discussion channel..... not to talk gameplay.
loud quartz
chill fam..
subtle geyser
we were talking about how characters personalities are reflected in the game gwadael
grand wedge
You can watch the GDC 2017 talk from Michael Chu. About building the world of Overwatch. Abilities are meant to go with the character. That’s part of the process.
And so that’s why we had Sigma instead of Mauga. Because the kit wasn’t good for Mauga and his personality.
subtle geyser
yeah i hope we get mauga for ow2
gusty sluice
Yeee....
dim scroll
I think it's likely, but not at launch.
peak escarp
wow, hating on Mei because she's fat? you must really hate Roadhog
limpid agate
She also isn't fat.
That's just some dumb fanon people put together because she's always wearing a heavy coat.
We've seen her without it. She isn't fat.
peak escarp
she's heavier than most of the other female heroes, but I wouldn't call her fat
worthy rose
Yay Sigma talk
west moat
he’s in talon but he’s not really evil
Talon is taking advantage of his mental insanity
worthy rose
Yes, it is very tragic to see him being controlled against his will. Especially when you hear his unreleased interactions and realise he's a sweetheart
west moat
yeah
worthy rose
west moat
also can we talk about how hammond is just so neutral in all of this
i think he’ll join overwatch cuz winston is there and he’s winston’s friend
grand wedge
They have to meet first
west moat
they did
worthy rose
I hope Hammond is just an asshole
peak escarp
Sigma knew Dr. Winston
worthy rose
Like he betrays Overwatch and then he betrays Talon
west moat
there’s a spray of winston and hammond happy together in their colony clothes
peak escarp
not the Winston we know
grand wedge
But I could see some mission going bad, and have an hamster rolling in a ball coming and saving the day
peak escarp
oh you meant Hammond
west moat
yeah
peak escarp
@worthy rose how could he betray them? he's not sided with either of them
west moat
i think he means hammond joins overwatch THEN betrays them
but he’s highly intelligent
he would be useful to overwatch and also is friends with winston so it makes sense if he just joined them
gusty sluice
Why did Blackwatch and Commander Reyes rebelled against Commander Morrison and Overwatch?
west moat
Reyes wanted leadership
and when they transferred it from Reyes to Morrison he got mad and jealous
and eventually just thought “screw him and these missions”
although only moira and Reyes betrayed overwatch, Mcree and Genji stayed with overwatch after that
peak escarp
Blackwatch didn't rebel against Overwatch
worthy rose
What if everyone in Talon treated Hammond like another agent and Sombra was like "He's a fucking hamster"
boreal egret
I thought Reyes was thankful for Morrison getting leadership and Morrison just screwed it up
west moat
sombra is very playful i would see her doing that
peak escarp
it wasn't about Morrison getting the leadership position
gusty sluice
morrison's in the book strategy doesnt favor with reyes strategy, right?
boreal egret
yeah
gusty sluice
ah ok,
west moat
reyes killed that important talon guy
boreal egret
then it all came crashing down
peak escarp
Reyes hired Moira behind Morrison's back, which started a rift between them - Morrison couldn't trust Reyes anymore, and Reyes felt like Morrison didn't have his back anymore
west moat
i feel like Overwatch 2 will staple down whether everyone on the roster is with talon or overwatch
worthy rose
I can see Orisa being hacked by Sombra and trying to be a bad girl but failing miserably
boreal egret
yea
west moat
i guess
peak escarp
or on their own side
gusty sluice
ohhh YES! Moira is a main reason why reaper and soldier 76 hated each other
peak escarp
I can't see Junkrat or Roadhog joining either side
boreal egret
that can get confusing
peak escarp
or Ashe
west moat
but lucio joining ow could signify that at least some people may join
peak escarp
some do
west moat
i could see ashe joining either
west moat
ashe joining talon to continue crime or to spite mcree
peak escarp
Ashe likes to be in charge - she's not going to take orders from Talon
peak escarp
Ashe doesn't like authority - she's not going to join Overwatch
gusty sluice
prob not
peak escarp
she's already got Deadlock
gusty sluice
so, moira is a reason between the rift of morrison and reyes?
peak escarp
there's other things, but Moira is a big part of it
boreal egret
I thought it was the Strike Commander thing
west moat
what if overwatch caught the Deadlock Gang and basically said “join us or go to jail”
boreal egret
and only that
west moat
like they did to mcree
peak escarp
like McCree says in the Retribution epilogue, "I can't help but wonder if this is where it all started to go wrong."
@west moat Ashe wouldn't take that offer
she has too much pride
peak escarp
she'd go to jail, and then either break out or use her money to get out
west moat
we’ve seen breakouts before with Doomfist
peak escarp
she is rich, she'll just bribe people
west moat
true
I feel like hanzo has a chance of staying neutral
sure he rejected talon multiple times but he isn’t necessarily open to joining overwatch
worthy rose
I can see Ashe being manipulated into thinking she's in charge and McCree opening her eyes
peak escarp
Hanzo . . . Hanzo needs to find peace with himself before he can side with anyone else
boreal egret
like genji?
gusty sluice
hanzo is neutral since he was raised to be the new leader of the shimada, but he doesnt want it anymore because he killed genji, he regretted any thing he had done for that. also he never cared about ethics
gusty sluice
hes barely 40-50 so he is not at "mid life", but yes
peak escarp
he's 38
boreal egret
40 seems like mid-life since 80 is the average age of death
gusty sluice
good point
peak escarp
he got piercings and an undercut and completely changed his style
I'd call that a midlife crisis
boreal egret
I'd call that depression and a midlife crisis
teal creek
Wait what's the age difference for hanzo and genji?
peak escarp
Genji is 35, Hanzo is 38
teal creek
Oh ok
peak escarp
it was confirmed that they never dated, but Ashe does seem to have some (unrequited) feelings for him
real needle
I doubt they got together but I’m guessing that there’s was feelings present
gusty sluice
i think it is more of a sibling feel, than romance?
narrow hearth
i watch the cim
peak escarp
I don't get a sibling vibe from them
narrow hearth
i kind of did
real needle
I get Sibling relationship vibes more from Tracer and Genji than Mccree and Ashe
narrow hearth
like they cared for one in other
peak escarp
narrow hearth
i don't know
she did just loss
millions because of mcee
and when you think about who ash is
ahhhhh
real needle
She does have a respect for Mccree I will say even though she is pretty bark over bite
peak escarp
she also kept a picture of them on her motorcycle, which appears to be ripped in half and taped back together
peak escarp
peak escarp
the writers said they never dated
and McCree has a voice line saying Ashe wasn't his type
but Ashe seems like she has feelings for McCree
more than she would admit
gusty sluice
ooohhhh
peak escarp
the only romantic relationship between heroes is a hinted-at relationship between Mercy and Genji
gusty sluice
i see that
wicked widget
really?
gusty sluice
mercy and genji have feelings for each other, i think. when you pocket a genji, mercy would say something to genji personally
peak escarp
in the Reflections comic they're writing letters to each other (Mercy mentions this in Valkyrie)
gusty sluice
that is more than a friendly relationship
peak escarp
and they have a lot of interactions together, including some Valentines/White Day exclusive lines
gusty sluice
i have heard those
i am not sure what genji is writing for mercy, maybe affections to her?
peak escarp
that’s happened, and the risks. Reinhardt is traveling across Europe, dragging
poor Brigitte with him, while Sojourn keeps a low profile in Canada. And of course,
Genji is always busy. The last I heard from him, he was heading home to find his
brother. Torbjörn is probably the wisest of us all, returning to Gothenburg and Ingrid in
retirement.```seems like he just updates her on what's going on in his life
their relationship is left very ambiguous - they could be romantically involved, they could just be close friends
but it's the only possibly romantic relationship that has been hinted at between heroes
all other inter-hero relationships are familial or mentorship or just friendships
grand wedge
They often give some material about relationships - or the ones that are non romantic :
Reaper and Moira : their relationship is professional
Ashe and McCree : never dated
Ana : considers Jack and Gabriel as brothers to her
peak escarp
or professional relationships
wicked widget
are ashe and mccree some kind of rivals now? after seeing that cinematic having to do with mccree and ashe, it looks like they got tension. i know they were friends before, in some kind of gang or some association
peak escarp
kinda? it's not clear what (if any) part Ashe will play in the story
gusty sluice
Reaper and moira is kinda above professional, based on Retribution interactions? He called her an old friend
peak escarp
is that a sincere "old friend"?
gusty sluice
Based to Sombras interaction with Reaper in Oasis.
unborn owl
Hard to tell with Reaper, honestly.
rancid basin
Has it been ever told what exactly happened to Genji? Like, I know Hanzo brutally fought Genji but, what exactly was broken? Ribs? Spine? His legs?
From the Blackwatch skin I'd say it was his entire lower body.
peak escarp
due to the violent nature of their fight, I doubt we'll ever get to see what happened
maybe it could be covered in a novel or short story, without visuals
frigid stirrup
Why is Mondatta's death so important?
And he can't they just be like rebooted or something
peak escarp
the Shambali believe omnics have souls
if you rebooted Mondatta, would his soul still be there? what if you put his memory/CPU into a new body?
maybe it's not possible to transfer an omnic if their head is damaged
frigid stirrup
So basically if Omnics are damaged to a certain extent, bye bye brain?
peak escarp
think of your computer
if certain parts are damaged, the data is lost
you can put new parts into the case and make it work again, but the data is still lost
frigid stirrup
So Widowmaker damaged the part where data is held?
peak escarp
if the case is damaged but the internal components aren't, you can move them to a new case
basically
it would make sense if omnic's CPU is in their head, like a brain
frigid stirrup
Yeah but there was no bullet hole in his head when we go to see it
peak escarp
that's because the game is rated Teen
peak escarp
they had to make it kid friendly
frigid stirrup
That makes sense
peak escarp
consider Orisa - she was damaged by Doomfist, but her core unit was still operational. When Efi bought her and reassembled her, she just fixed her body and gave her a new personality - the memories of the original OR15 were intact
unborn owl
To throw a wrench in things: the announcer for the Push map playable on the BlizzCon floor last year sounded suspiciously like Mondatta. And an omnic spotted with Doomfist (though not seen entirely in frame) has a line that sounds like the same performer as well.
peak escarp
the omnic seen with Doomfist is Maximilien
unborn owl
Has that been proven?
peak escarp
it looks like him and sounds like him
compare the profiles
Mondatta had a rounder face, Max's eyebrow/cheek is very angular
the Push map announcer was confirmed to be Mondatta's voice, which could be an indicator that announcer packs will be a feature in OW2
peak escarp
he's probably having second thoughts about starting a war against humanity
Max may not have a spine, but at least he has a heart?
unborn owl
Loool
peak escarp
Max probably does business with a lot of humans - even if he doesn't actually care about them, a war against them would have a pretty bad impact on his bottom line
or maybe there's something else he's having a conflict of morals over
pliant sparrow
He could be scared of the possible impact it'll have on how the public views omnics again
proven glacier
Solo por FOX
elder scaffold
I just noticed Mercy's obsession with half dead people
First it was Reaper, then Genji.
Wait was it her who failed at the cellular regeneration program that reaper went through and requires him to kill for survival or Moira ?
worthy rose
It was Moira
pliant sparrow
Moira
elder scaffold
Ohh
pliant sparrow
Also, it's almost like mercy is a doctor or something
elder scaffold
Well, I do think you shouldn't push things too far, though Genji's case is ethical, I did think Reaper's was also Angela's case before correction, and Moira is anything but ethical.
grand wedge
Reyes went through SEP even before - with genitc therapy or some shady SF stuff to build super ehanced soldiers. He hired Moira because he had genetic questions that needed answers.
And now, we have a voiceline where Moira sayed she saved his life.
hollow shell
Didn't Moira "enhance" him?
What I came here was for character classification. Which characters a good and which are bad? Can someone classify the ones who are currently in Talon, Overwatch or some other group. Currently, not before. I just want to know which characters are which.
unborn owl
It's not as clearcut as that.
The good/bad part, I mean. when it comes to who is on what team:
Talon: Reaper, Widowmaker, Sombra, Doomfist, Moira, Sigma
New Overwatch: Winston, Tracer, Mei, Genji, Reinhardt & Brigitte, Mercy, Echo
Morrison's War: Soldier 76, Ana
worthy rose
So Mccree is no longer part of new overwatch then?
unborn owl
I don't think we've ever seen him with the team. He sent Echo to join them in his stead, after all.
lavish elm
He ha either stuff to see to that we will likely see
grand wedge
McCree has business to attend to. He freed Echo for her to join new OW in his stead.
Didn't Moira "enhance" him?
@hollow shell
She did experiments/enhancements on him that’s for sure.
Nesskain said Gabriel was « scared » on the origin story where Moira has her hand on his shoulder and he has black smoke coming out of his body
sick siren
Does Moira have a hand in the creation of Mauga?
She seems to know a LOT about the heavy assault unit
steel peak
I think mauga is just a big dude no?
Like how Reinhardt and most crusaders are just big people
grand wedge
Some people speculate about Moira being responsible for the sniper and the assassin in Retribution. That she was already Talon and the mission was just a fun experiment to her.
We actually don’t’ know much about the Crusaders. Were they just big men and women? Or was there something more about it?
neon aurora
So... nobody is gonna talk about how busan is getting attacked by null sector instead of the Gwishin in the OW2 Map trailer
*gameplay trailer
grand wedge
Gwishin and Null Sector probably have the same ideology : kill human and have the onmics rule the world ?
Also, they may not have the design for them all
neon aurora
Gwishin weren't targetting Humans tho
grand wedge
As in , there will be other factions they didn’t talk about
neon aurora
They were targetting building or even places
Somewhere
Maybe D.Va joins overwatch... or the Meka base gets bought by overwatch???
grand wedge
they attack pretty often, enough that they created MEKA to fight them before the can hit the city
grand wedge
Null Sector getting an alliance with the Gwishin is very likely to happen
!!lorewiki Soldier_76
twilit nacelleBOT
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boreal egret
sorry if im clueless, but what is Gwishin?
pliant sparrow
Mccree doesn't feel like he's needed on the new overwatch
unborn owl
Basically an omnic faction that really wants to blow up Korea in particular, which is why MEKA was formed to fight them.
boreal egret
oh ok thanks
unborn owl
So... nobody is gonna talk about how busan is getting attacked by null sector instead of the Gwishin in the OW2 Map trailer
@neon aurora reviewing the OW2 gameplay trailer, the sequence that shows off the world map has the Null Sector icon over Rio and Busan, but none of the other locations. We see gameplay from both Rio and Busan that bears out fighting against Null Sector in those locations, but we also see fights vs. Null Sector in Route 66 and Paris, even though those locations did NOT have the NS badge on them.
grand wedge
Because those are hero missions. Not story missions
It is likely, as I said, that Null Sector will get an alliance with the Gwishin. Or just help them trying to get rid of MEKA that is blocking them.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
peak escarp
Maybe D.Va joins overwatch... or the Meka base gets bought by overwatch???
@neon aurora MEKA is part of the Korean military, so Overwatch couldn't just buy them
I think Overwatch will help defeat the Gwishin for good, and then D.Va will be free to join them
valid terrace
And even if it isn’t gone forever, having some extra hands to help every few years can’t hurt
The reason they didn’t originally is because they had no Korean jurisdiction iirc
But new Overwatch is above that
pliant sparrow
They're not 'above' anything
Technically anything they do as new overwatch is illegal
peak escarp
new Overwatch doesn't have the resources
valid terrace
I just mean that borders aren’t a concern to them as long as there’s people to help
Meka has five combatants, I think new Overwatch is fine
peak escarp
wow rude
umbral temple
oooHhH
peak escarp
fortunately, your opinion on it doesn't matter
icy plover
i didnt mean it like that @late pagoda
peak escarp
they are gay, whether you like it or not
umbral temple
wait meka supports overwatch?
peak escarp
@umbral temple no, MEKA defends South Korea
umbral temple
oh. somebody said something about overwatch being okay because meka
icy plover
lore
twilit nacelleBOT
@late pagoda Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
icy plover
So do you guys think casino (meka pilot for south korea) should become a playable character hero in OW2
peak escarp
he would be interesting
icy plover
tru tru
peak escarp
even if he doesn't become a playable hero, I'm curious about his story
icy plover
hhe was the guy in the shooting star animation correct
peak escarp
that was Daehyun
icy plover
ohhhh
icy plover
now i see
icy plover
in the masquerade comic there seems to be a picture in it where it may be casino in the casino in the new ow2 map (where the comic takes place)
icy plover
yes that is it
peak escarp
Monaco is also home to the Monaco Grand Prix race
icy plover
the payload is a F1 race car which casino has a background in F1 racing
peak escarp
the MEKA pilot Casino has a pretty obvious connection to Monaco, and maybe to Maximilien/Talon
his mech is named La Princese Sereine, which is also the title for the princess of Monaco
peak escarp
peak escarp
just ignore
icy plover
true
peak escarp
they'll be dealt with
one way or another, I hope we get to see more of the MEKA squad
gusty sluice
I know this is not about the discussion but what was wrong with reagan?
peak escarp
he was a troll
gusty sluice
Oh ok thanks
valid terrace
I’m not sure if we’ve moved past it yet, but I was only referencing the fact that Meka has 5 real combatants, so current Overwatch’s 8 soon to be at least 10 look more promising than the numbers would make them seem
Even taking into account mechanics and government funding, I think Overwatch is about the same resource-wise
peak escarp
ah
limpid agate
Overwatch is 10 people. Bastion is suggested to make it 11, but that is speculation.
peak escarp
10? Winston, Tracer, Mei, Genji, Reinhardt, Brigitte, Echo, Mercy . . . who else?
boreal egret
Morrison and Gabriel. but they died so idk if they count
boreal egret
being dead is hard work
peak escarp
Orisa and Lucio are implied to join Overwatch in the future, but I'm just counting people who are currently members
limpid agate
Winston, Tracer, Mei, Genji, Reinhardt, Brigitte, Echo, Mercy
Lucio, Sojourn
boreal egret
isn't baptiste part of overwatch?
limpid agate
No.
boreal egret
oh ok
limpid agate
Winston, Tracer, Mei, Genji, Reinhardt, Brigitte, Echo, Mercy are part of the team as of Zero Hour
Lucio and Sojourn are shown to be part of the team during the story trailer
Bastion is said to have a large role in the story
It may join Overwatch. May. But that is speculation.
peak escarp
okay so you were counting them
limpid agate
but they died so idk if they count
I think you may be confused
There are technically 2 Overwatches
The original Overwatch, which shut down 5 years ago
And Winston's Recalled Overwatch
boreal egret
yeah, i just thought of them as one
limpid agate
Heroes who were part of Overwatch in the past before it shut down:
- Soldier 76 (Founder, Second Leader)
- Reaper (Founder, Original Leader, Leader of Blackwatch)
- Ana (Founder, Second in Command)
- Torbjorn (Founder, Head of Engineering)
- Reinhardt (Founder)
- Echo (Robot created by the final Founder Liao)
- McCree (Blackwatch, then Overwatch)
- Sojourn (Replaced Ana when she "died")
- Mercy (Head of Research)
- Winston
- Mei (Scientist only)
- Moira (Blackwatch only)
- Genji (Blackwatch, then Overwatch)
- Tracer
peak escarp
I thought McCree was Blackwatch only
peak escarp
yes
peak escarp
we haven't seen him acting on Overwatch orders
peak escarp
the first image was drawn with a feeling in mind, without regards to accuracy
peak escarp
eh, we still haven't seen him acting on a mission that wasn't specifically Blackwatch/under Reyes' orders
but there's a possibility that he did
boreal egret
I think mccree wants to be apart of the new overwatch
peak escarp
and unlike Genji, McCree's ID number doesn't change between Retribution and Recall
McCree has other stuff to do first - he might join later, or he might not
boreal egret
yup
peak escarp
I'd like to see him join, just because I like McCree
boreal egret
has mcree ever met winston?
peak escarp
yes
boreal egret
when?
peak escarp
when they were in Overwatch
boreal egret
oh ok
peak escarp
at least, if they haven't met, McCree knows about him and how he doesn't like being called a monkey
limpid agate
I think mccree wants to be apart of the new overwatch
From what he told us
He doesn't think he's good enough for Overwatch.
"They want me, but they need you"
Not to mention a lot of his character is self-depricating
His current ideal is to redeem himself for all the wrong he has done.
boreal egret
i can see why
atomic cosmos
let's see who called mccree/mccree call someone before deadlock gang raided the train ?
barren musk
What
atomic cosmos
this part
atomic cosmos
there is sound came out from the phone
if i remember how phone work if someone suddenly close the call when you're still calling it make '' bipbipbibp '' sound right ?
worthy rose
isn’t that busy?
or I’m pretty sure it’s a warning to tell you the phones not on the pad?
who knows how phones work 
worthy rose
would’ve been pog
atomic cosmos
it would be impossible for mccree using that phone to call deadlock on the same day for anonymous tip about their is valuable cargo on that train
like that raid require like days of prep or even a week
atomic cosmos
i just recently found it was off-hook tone
valid terrace
It was probably someone else’s call when McCree scared everyone out of the diner
umbral temple
McCree scary
valid terrace
I guess?
Only by reputation as an outlaw really
Anyone who doesn’t recognize him from the poster would probably consider him more charming than frightening
umbral temple
yeah exactly, why would everybody be scared out of the diner if he was charming
valid terrace
He intentionally made them leave
umbral temple
I mean I guess if you pull up with a six shooter
valid terrace
So they’d be safe from the train crash
umbral temple
ah
the only lore I’m interested in is what they make the coffee out of to have it taste so bad
valid terrace
Boiled dirt, if McCree has anything to say about it
worthy rose
same bandit group
umbral temple
i guess they had to split up
who knows what would’ve happened to blackwatch if McCree hadn’t been there
valid terrace
It’s not as much that he ended up joining Blackwatch, it’s that he doesn’t want to go back to Deadlock now that he’s free again
He wants to make amends for being a criminal, while Ashe is still active as one
umbral temple
no no no
I’m saying that blackwatch might’ve been killed if he hadn’t been there to help or something
valid terrace
Fair
umbral temple
like I’m giving him credit for helpin out
valid terrace
He was the sic of the team
umbral temple
why does Ashe have white hair
even like as a child
valid terrace
Some people do
umbral temple
“Sic”? wdym
valid terrace
Second in command
valid terrace
Iirc her eyes are red, so she might be albino
valid terrace
If I remember correctly
umbral temple
oh
valid terrace
I use that and afaik most of the time here to cover my butt
That one is as far as I know
umbral temple
thanks
violet siren
What do you think sojourns abilities will be?
peak escarp
her transforming arm gun looks pretty cool
peak escarp
probably something made up by fetishists
subtle geyser
i mean i get where its coming from, she looks a lot bigger with the coat on
peak escarp
I have a similar figure (although shorter), and I don't consider myself fat, so I wouldn't consider Mei fat
subtle geyser
also about soujorn, the tubeing looks pretty similar to moiras tubes
have we seen what even comes out of the gun?
iirc it was just the animation
subtle geyser
yeah although we have seen her main weapon
looks like some kind of green energy bursts
definitely doesnt look like any healing is coming out of that though lol
peak escarp
nah
peak escarp
they will add more
subtle geyser
ik
peak escarp
but they're not going to just not add any damage heroes
subtle geyser
we will get around 5 heroes with ow2
i know
but still we'd need like 2 tanks/supps for each dps imo
primal escarp
hmm
i dont know, the only lore i know about her is that she was there during the thing when they chased after maximillion or something like that
again, sorry if i spelt the guy's name wrong
peak escarp
Maximilien
that is pretty much all the lore we have on her
we know she's Canadian, and we know she has been in Overwatch for at least 20 years
grand wedge
We also know that she is keeping a low profil in Canada and is a cyborg
and - hero of numbani spoiler - ||that she was known to fight against Talon (in Efi's cartoon), probably after BW was suspended and Gerard killed? ||
idle marsh
correct me if im wrong. Overwatch was a group that protected the world from robots/omincs. they then were blamed for something and were dismantled. then a group formed with reaper, widowmaker, sombra and people attacked winstion and almost took the location of all overwatch groups. then he reforms them. right?
grand wedge
Overwatch was a worlkeeping organisation. During the Crisis, they were a small strike team to stop the Omnics yeah
peak escarp
that's more or less correct
undone storm
are the reasons of why overwatch was chut down clear ?
peak escarp
Overwatch was shut down because Blackwatch got exposed
Blackwatch was the black ops division of Overwatch - they did assassinations, kidnapping, espionage, etc.
all very illegal things
Overwatch was being investigated before that, but the Venice Incident (aka Retribution) was the big thing that got them shut down
A special UN committee launched a lengthy and highly secretive investigation into the claims. This inquiry would lead to the dismantling of Overwatch, and its once-beloved agents would become objects of derision and suspicion in the media. But before all of that could happen, another tragedy would rock Overwatch and serve as the troubled organization's death rattle.```also this article gives you a pretty good rundown about the history of Overwatch:
undone storm
okay, thanks !
subtle geyser
also whats up with ana and hanzo? the ingame interaction specifically
hm it looks like it isnt on the wiki?
hanzo: "why did you abandon the assassin's art"
ana: "i never was an assassin. i killed only, because it was necessary."
its on anas quote page but missing on the hanzo one
im just curious about hanzo in general
we actually havent seen much lore about him
well apart from the dragons short, have we even seen him somewhere?
grand wedge
We only had a glimpse of Hanzo buying a cake in Reflections. We have no idea what he's been up to after meeting Genji.
subtle geyser
i really wish he gets along with genji and will join overwatch
glad compass
Hanzo is in my bed
Think we get a new animated short soon?
I saw the playlist got updated
On yt
you're welcome partner
I want it to be a talon one where we see more re-designs
I need to see my sombra
McCree*
Genji plays you
Ha, its your funeral
boreal egret
ik im not really in this conversation but i think that would go in the #fanart because i don't see any relation to terraria, but if there is please tell me
but it does indeed look good
north apex
why is roadhog so thicccccc
limpid agate
@glad compass @worthy rose
We figured out what the playlist update was
Some intern moved Rise and Shine from after Infiltration to after Shooting Star
And that's it
Some intern moved Rise and Shine from after Infiltration to after Shooting Star
glad compass
what?
limpid agate
1 sec
Before
After
That's your playlist update
Yes
Yes
There is no new short
That's not lore
No
subtle geyser
@limpid agate also if they added a new short it wouldve been privated in there
you can still see privated and unlisted videos if they are in a playlist
or deleted ones
frozen pine
what do u think is the musical genre of the melody that Sigma hears?
limpid agate
It doesnt have a genre
Its just a melody he hears
It is speculated that it is supposed to be this
hollow forum
what is that melody that sigma freaks out about?
umbral temple
dude
hollow forum
what?
peak escarp
look at the link
hollow forum
that’s the genre
subtle geyser
its just a melody
if i sing "laa laa laa" that doesnt really have a genre does it lol
peak escarp
!!shitposting @undone storm
twilit nacelleBOT
@undone storm Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
undone storm
so sorry
onyx zodiac
How old is tracer again ?
umbral temple
so did mercy quit overwatch or did she stay until is shut down
umbral temple
thanks
wicked widget
Talon
stiff hamlet
I know that Sombra sees Reaper and Widowmaker as friends, but not as genuine as Baptiste.
umbral temple
wasn’t Sombra a double agent though?
she lied to both of them
peak escarp
it was revealed in the short story What You Left Behind
Baptiste has a secret app that gives him a direct line to her
bottom of the screen. It only rang twice before a familiar voice came through the speaker. “Hey, mijo. It’s been
a while.”
“Hey, Sombra,” he said, looking at Dr. Ziegler’s profile. “Can you do me a favor?”```👌
peak escarp
they likely met while both in Talon, and could have bonded over their similar backgrounds
they're both orphans of the omnic crisis
stiff hamlet
True
peak escarp
Sombra considers Reaper and Widowmaker her friends, but I bet they don't have a secret app
they certainly don't trust her
boreal egret
can someone tell me where to find the books and comics?
stiff hamlet
The Overwatch website.
I'm pretty sure.
But yeah, it's somewhat sad how Sombra sees Reaper and Widowmaker as genuine friends.
I bet they don't feel the same at all.
peak escarp
boreal egret
thanks
peak escarp
anything not found there can be found in the pins on this channel
boreal egret
oh wow the pinned messages are super helpful
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
peak escarp
if you have any further questions, the regulars here can help you out
stiff hamlet
Hands down, Masquerade is the best comic.
Because Doomfist yeeted someone off of a bridge.
vestal finch
@lunar ingot
boreal egret
thanks
peak escarp
that was pretty great
stiff hamlet
Has anyone heard of that one theory of Casino being a part of Talon?
peak escarp
maybe not part of Talon, but could have some connection
I suspect Maximilien could be one of his sponsors
limpid agate
Im a big fan of that theory
I dont remember if I thought of it myself or not, but Im certain others have thought of it too
peak escarp
I've been talking about it since the MEKA squad was revealed, so you might have picked it up from me
stiff hamlet
Casino
peak escarp
yep
stiff hamlet
Also, at one point, I sort of left the Overwatch fandom. So was this comic before or after Moira’s reveal?
peak escarp
this was about 3 months before Moira's reveal
people didn't know who she was (a lot of people speculated about "Joker" because of how she looked)
the person sitting between her and Reaper is Sanjay, Symmetra's boss
stiff hamlet
Does the rest of Talon know about Sanjay’s affiliation with Vishkar?
peak escarp
I assume so
I can't see why he'd hide it
Vishkar might not know about Sanjay's affiliation with Talon
stiff hamlet
Ah
One more question regarding Talon. So as we all know, Sombra sometimes does things behind their back.
Take the Infiltration short for example.
In the Masquerade comic, if I remember correctly, Doomfist said that he was keeping tabs on Sombra. So could he possibly know about what she’s doing?
peak escarp
Reaper knows what Sombra is up to, and has been telling Doomfist
Doomfist hasn't acted on it yet, because Sombra is still useful even if she isn't loyal
solemn crypt
I finally got my copy of Hero of Numbani that I ordered.
peak escarp
nice
hollow forum
at the ending cutscene of Storm Rising, a weird omnic is talking with Doomfist, who was that?
wicked widget
whats the difference between omnic and null sector, is it just a different brand?
peak escarp
omnic is a term for robots (specifically ones made in omniums)
Null Sector is a terrorist group of omnics who want to supress humanity
wicked widget
Ohh ok
boreal egret
is it confirmed the the omnic talking to doomfist at the end of storm rising the founder of Null Sector
boreal egret
oh ok
peak escarp
check the pins
subtle geyser
@boreal egret we just assume hes the leader of null sector, but so far not much about him is confirmed apart from some implications
boreal egret
ok
leaden sigil
lore
boreal egret
yes
undone storm
do whe know where Dorado, Oasis and Numbani are located, exactly ?
leaden sigil
look them up they are real places
lime sparrow
leaden sigil
story
undone storm
uh
no
dorado, oasis and numbani dont exist, they are fictional cities
but they exist in real places (probably Nigeria even tho its a city-state for numbani, Irak for Oasis and Mexico for Dorado), and i'm wondering where, in these countries, hey are located
leaden sigil
@undone storm if they dont exist how are you going to find the exact location?
undone storm
...
we are talking about the lore of overwatch, right ?
in the lore of overwatch, these places exist
so I ask : where are they in the world of overwatch ?
leaden sigil
they might not be a thing now overwatch is in 2070 tho
undone storm
ok, you are trolling
iron plume
@undone storm Dorado is in the puebla-oaxaca-ish part of Mexico and Numbani is around the Nigeria-Cameroon border
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byhvUmpAA9c#t=35
timestamp is 35 seconds in case it doesn't work properly
we don't know about Oasis
undone storm
thank you
I would say that Oasis is located around/on the razazza or hammar Lake, but I cant be sure, its just a supposition
its not like dubai, localised near a sea
its litteraly in the middle of the desert, so bringing so much water would cost much much more than, you know, terraforming with a lake already here
iron plume
it's also literally called Oasis
it wouldn't have to be brought from elsewhere though
there's pretty often a lot of underground water, so they may be pumping that up
undone storm
this map at 35 sec makes me wonder if we will get a seattle map 🤔
since we had a map on all of these place outside of seattle
iron plume
well not rio just yet
undone storm
yes, but we will get one when OW2 is released
bit a shame tho
I've never been to seattle (or the united states), but if I would make another map located in the us, I would make a new york one
after all, we dont have one located on the east coast
iron plume
I'd rather have Seattle
we've seen New York in like
a thousand different games
Seattle has Shadowrun aaand that's it
plus it's a good excuse to make a rain setting if they want to show off weather effects
undone storm
all of the maps in overwatch have everything you can except from the place they are showing, and that, imo, their biggest strengh
what are the iconic things at Seattle, that we would see for sure ?
I know there is a big UFO tower, but...
iron plume
There doesn't need to be many famous sights for a map to be interesting and flavorful
Busan doesn't have any yet it's one of the best for that
undone storm
Yes, but pretty much everything you can expect in a corean map is there ^^
iron plume
I don't agree much on "everything you can expect" either
Dorado has barely any Mexican architecture and looks more italian
And with Volskaya you can't even tell if it's supposed to be St. Petersburg or Moscow because they just stuck the sights of both on one map
iron plume
Seattle could lean into the high tech thing
we've seen American places and we've seen techy places but not techy american places
undone storm
yeah
I was looking at that, precicely
"what Seattle is known for", and its pretty much what you described
so if we get a seattle map (and I bet we will considering the map in the soldier 76 trailer), we would for sure see the space needle and a very futuristic architecture
bit of a shame that we probably wont get a new york map, I would have loved to see the vision of blizzard on it
sorry, when i'm chatting of the overwatch maps, i'm like a child in a candystore ^^'
lament prawn
i dont mind what they give us, i know whatever it is will be aesthetically pleasing, but can we really count on this trailer from 2015, back before they settled on what exactly they wanted to do in terms of lore?
they did eventually give us paris, but i wouldnt take that map as confirmation
iron plume
we can't
but it would still be pretty nice
lament prawn
true
teal meadow
Can we theorize in this channel?
iron plume
within reason
undone storm
a vienna map would be great too, I think
the attack team could spawn in the opera of Vienna
worthy rose
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the amount of detail that went into sigma
Did you know that during sigmas ult, a very low b flat sound plays quietly
That's actually the sound that a black hole emits
That's insanely smart
And mentally insane villians are always my favorite
undone storm
I think Sigma is one of the strongers characters of the overwatch lore
he is the closer of a super-villain from marvel or dc
with actual superpowers
proven stone
i was blown away with sigs backstory when it first came out
love it to bits and really hope we get a mission of talon breaking out sigma in overwatch 2
but theres alot of shit i want to see
especially some zenyatta x genji shit
undone storm
I think that at one moment, sigma will realises what talon actually is and what they did with his research, that he has been manipulated all along
I imagine that, at this moment, he will go enraged and will during the process create a big blach hole that will destroy his prison, then escape
a bit like bucky in civil war
in a way, Sigma is a scp
especially some zenyatta x genji shit
Uhh...really ?
no trolling ?
iron plume
let's
not go into that
undone storm
fully agree on that
do we know about North Korea ?
we know that it still exist, since D.Va is south corean
pliant sparrow
Ana soldier reaper and rein were the founding overwatch members right?
undone storm
alongside torbjorn and Liao, yeah
frosty shell
The location of Dorado is inconsistent between the 76 origin story and the map on Dorado itself
The location on the Dorado map doesn't match the geography very well
(the Gulf coast of Mexico in general isn't very mountainous)
undone storm
I think it is nearby veracruz
manic flare
has genji ever met widow?
iron plume
not that we know of
manic flare
id love to see a fight between them
undone storm
hey, I think I know exactly where Dorado is, now
do you know how is named the coast right near veracruz ?
"Costa de Oro", the golden coast
and since dorado is the city of gold in the legend, it could be a hint
compact eagle
Ok
grand wedge
Hero of Nulmbani question, don't look at it if you don't want to be spoil || I understood that Lucio's father is dead, right? Or did I missunderstood the implications of Lucio and Efi discussions?||
umbral temple
so can heroes just ult whenever they want in the storyline?
like tracer always seems to have a pulse bomb in the stories and stuff
and widow maker uses infra-sight like every three seconds
peak escarp
@grand wedge ||Lucio has always used past-tense when speaking of his father, so it's implied that he is dead||
@umbral temple yes, in the lore, ultimate abilities are not tied to cooldowns
umbral temple
okay I don’t know if this is important to any lore but some ppl were talking about sigma’s “melody”
so I was watching a sigma potg and there was some piano music in the background? Idk if that’s his “melody” but it could be somethin
peak escarp
that's the melody he hears
probably an auditory hallucination caused by his brain damage
undone storm
I wonder if it is related to the melody heard by the omnics, mentioned in the liao mail if I remember correctly
limpid agate
@onyx zodiac #workshop-discussion
subtle geyser
@umbral temple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onplsJSdp4A just listen to the background music
peak escarp
that's old news
celest zenith
no?
celest zenith
hes gay
peak escarp
this is a SFW server
celest zenith
where
digital oxide
I like the part when
worthy rose
ok guys @peak escarp has probly had pepole try to pull the oldest stuff in the book played on him
peak escarp
her
celest zenith
no
valid terrace
What?
celest zenith
stop that
valid terrace
Unless you’re trying to understand or discuss the lore of Overwatch, there’s really nothing in this channel for you
celest zenith
is lucio gay?
peak escarp
not that we know of
celest zenith
who are the gay characters
valid terrace
Tracer and Soldier
peak escarp
Tracer and Soldier
peak escarp
nope
valid terrace
Plus Emily and Vincent for non heroes
celest zenith
really?
peak escarp
if she is then it hasn't been mentioned
valid terrace
We don’t know what she is
peak escarp
it's pretty cliche
valid terrace
Most characters we don’t
celest zenith
non binary
peak escarp
so I'd prefer if she wasn't
celest zenith
why
valid terrace
To break the mold as Blizzard has shown to do
celest zenith
is ana bi?
valid terrace
Probably not
valid terrace
She hasn’t shown feelings towards anyone in that way
Probably some form of hard light like most of the projection tech we see
primal escarp
i dont think Echo can really feel emotions like people do
primal escarp
she can mimic emotions, but i dont think she is physically and mentally able to process them the way humans do
and yeah
anything can break
grand wedge
She probably has her own emotions, not only mimicking them
celest zenith
200 iq gamer here
primal escarp
you've clearly never met an atom before
grand wedge
!!shitposting @celest zenith
twilit nacelleBOT
@celest zenith Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
primal escarp
woah, calm your 2 brain cells down
peak escarp
you can't ask questions then tell people to shut up when they answer you
celest zenith
why
grand wedge
Because basic human interaction
valid terrace
That’s not how discussion works?
primal escarp
the only issue with Echo that really bothers me is the fact that she is a robot, one that can be hacked
like, no matter how well they programmed her to be unhackable, Sombre will find a way into her system and hack her
celest zenith
now thats a cheesy death
primal escarp
!!shitposting @celest zenith
celest zenith
???
primal escarp
damn doesnt work for me
valid terrace
You need the role
primal escarp
i realized
primal escarp
you wanna read the description of this channel real quick for me?
grand wedge
This is a serious discussion channel. If you want to have fun and goof around, go in #general-discussion
iron plume
insults are not jokes
primal escarp
you know, if you think about it, Sombre isnt a bad person
valid terrace
She’s not good either
primal escarp
She's merely a middleman for a lot of the stuff that happens
well im not saying she's a good person
im just saying she isnt a bad one
peak escarp
she's just out for herself
valid terrace
She doesn’t hesitate to kill people that happen to be in her way to power
peak escarp
she will do anything that benefits her, regardless of what side it's on
valid terrace
Watch Infiltration
valid terrace
She willingly went on a mission with a terrorist organization ready to kill men doing their job just to toy with Volskaya
digital oxide
sense this channel isnt for discussing any else besides lore ima stop
no shit
primal escarp
well the men on guard should've been prepared to fight and potentially lose their lives
valid terrace
That doesn’t make attacking them anything less than morally black
primal escarp
she was getting shot at!
peak escarp
Soldier was able to attack Watchpoint: Grand Mesa and steal tech without killing anyone
valid terrace
She had nothing to gain other than power
There were no lives at stake or greater gain for good
primal escarp
Soldier is a special boy
valid terrace
It was just Sombra feeling her pockets a bit empty
celest zenith
where do u guys find these lore?
peak escarp
he also had to hold back against them, because they were regular guards and he's a supersoldier
valid terrace
!!lorecomics
peak escarp
@celest zenith look in the pins
twilit nacelleBOT
Comics:
Train Hopper: https://bit.ly/2vaOY0I
Dragon Slayer: https://bit.ly/2GpRZRk
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
A Better World: https://bit.ly/2DeJGpK
Mission Statement: https://bit.ly/2UFLC5o
Destroyer: https://bit.ly/2XcYZ9G
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
Reflections: https://bit.ly/2IoZQkr
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Uprising: https://bit.ly/2UCymhE
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
Searching: https://bit.ly/2Gh3jy6
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2XePmHG
Mini-Comics:
Return of Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Gqp7Z8
Yeti Hunt: https://bit.ly/2VPmxRI
valid terrace
!!loreshorts
twilit nacelleBOT
Animated Shorts:
Cinematic Trailer: http://bit.ly/1yhzaCC
Recall: http://bit.ly/1T1Aky8
Alive: http://bit.ly/1PSJV5x
Dragons: http://bit.ly/1WAZs3c
Hero: http://bit.ly/1ToCD1E
The Last Bastion: http://bit.ly/2b3TsNN
Infiltration: http://bit.ly/2emetBC
Rise and Shine: http://bit.ly/2xcMYoH
Honor and Glory: http://bit.ly/2A4FxRa
Shooting Star: https://bit.ly/2MCgtuP
Reunion: https://bit.ly/2AJhhHo
Zero Hour: https://bit.ly/2JGfNBP
Origin Trailers:
Tracer: http://bit.ly/2fDNQxI
Soldier 76: http://bit.ly/1FpWpDB
Ana: http://bit.ly/29zamjl
Sombra: http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
Orisa: http://bit.ly/2liKFy8
King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
Doomfist: http://bit.ly/2tWoWzZ
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
Brigitte: http://bit.ly/2GSto50
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Ashe: https://bit.ly/2F2SPor
Baptiste: https://bit.ly/2TeM1Kq
Sigma: https://bit.ly/2JJTVWE
Echo: https://bit.ly/2IYIwRq
Other Videos:
A Moment in Crime - Junkers: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Are You With Us?: http://bit.ly/2fle4Uw
We Are Overwatch: http://bit.ly/1Pd9XmJ
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2EI9RCZ
Roadtrip: https://bit.ly/2RLk08M
Storm Rising: https://bit.ly/2VOkcXh
valid terrace
These are the main ones with character information
celest zenith
did u read them all?
peak escarp
I've read them all
celest zenith
are they good?
valid terrace
They’re above average at least
celest zenith
whats the order for the comics
primal escarp
out of curiosity, when in the lore did sombre get her invisibility cloak thingy?
valid terrace
Top down for release date
primal escarp
was it when she got the metal spine thingy attached to her?
peak escarp
it was probably part of her tech
valid terrace
Probably
primal escarp
aahh
celest zenith
wait so in ow universe theres actual dragons?
primal escarp
no
valid terrace
No that’s a story telling thing
primal escarp
the dragons we see in the cinematic and stuff aren't physical dragons that appear
valid terrace
And Rein’s overactive imagination depending on where you’re looking
peak escarp
they're probably energy/hard-light
celest zenith
oh so hes just hallucanting ?
worthy rose
lol @peak escarp owns this page along with that one other guy that i forgot the name of
valid terrace
Yeah, he’s been compared to Don Quixote
worthy rose
ohhhhhh im the guy that siad i had a time machine and left a letter blizzerds mailbox telling them to name bastions bird that strange name
valid terrace
!!LoreOnly
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
worthy rose
oh and i oop
primal escarp
when doomfist talks to that omnic about being a visionary or whatever, where was he?
numbani?
peak escarp
Cairo
peak escarp
6 years ago, same year as Storm Rising
valid terrace
We don’t know the calendar year
primal escarp
aahh
valid terrace
Just everything in relation to recall
celest zenith
so how did u decide what month to put it in?
peak escarp
I figured out the months in relation to other known events or real-world dates
for example, Reflections is set in December because everyone is doing holiday/Christmas activities
celest zenith
wow lore feels empty compared to other blizzard ips
peak escarp
other Blizzard ips have been around much longer
Overwatch has only existed for 6 years
celest zenith
in real life or lore?
peak escarp
in real life
celest zenith
cuz the game has been out for 4 years right?
peak escarp
it was introduced at Blizzcon 2014
the game came out in 2016
in the lore, Overwatch was formed about 30 years ago and disbanded 5 years ago
primal escarp
when will we ever really meet the other specimen on the lunar colony?
peak escarp
maybe never
primal escarp
like, all we got was like a quasi introduction to them
aw, that's actually kinda sad
I mean lore wise it doesnt really introduce much
celest zenith
whats the possibilty of a sea animal or sea related character
peak escarp
I don't see Horizon being important again any time soon
primal escarp
but it would still be kinda dope for Winston, Hammond, and the rest of the apes to get together again
peak escarp
the apes didn't like Winston
primal escarp
although I dont think Winston and Hammond really met after they left the colony, right?
and i would assume so
peak escarp
and I'm pretty sure he doesn't like them for what they did to the scientists
primal escarp
i would also assume that as well
celest zenith
why didnt they like winston?
peak escarp
no, Winston doesn't know that Hammond hitched a ride
because Winston liked the scientists
the rest of the apes didn't like them
primal escarp
Winston was treated specially by Dr. Winston and they formed a special bond
celest zenith
so the apes got jealous?