it was stated
#lore-discussion
subtle geyser
rugged helm
i have a feeling sigma and (whats her name ) are related somehow
trim ibex
But if the disaster happened up there how would he have been put into a hospital so quick
He had to have done it on earth
subtle geyser
"Brilliant astrophysicist Dr. Siebren de Kuiper's life changed forever when an experiment gone wrong gave him the ability to control gravity; now, Talon manipulates him to their own ends.
De Kuiper was considered a pioneer in his field. His life's work involved devising a way to harness the power of gravity. Equally known for his groundbreaking research and eccentric personality, he conducted most of his studies from his lab in The Hague. Believing that he was close to achieving his goal, he performed his most important experiment on an international space station.
But something went wrong, triggering the brief formation of a black hole. De Kuiper was only exposed to its power for a moment, but he suffered serious psychological damage. The area around him began to experience strange fluctuations in gravity, peaking and dropping in time with his reactions. He had to be evacuated immediately.
Upon returning to Earth, De Kuiper was quarantined in a secret government facility. Between his ravings about the patterns of the universe, the psychic damage he sustained, and the gravitic anomalies happening around him, he was deemed unsafe and detained for years under the name "Subject Sigma." Isolated and unable to control his powers, De Kuiper retreated into his own mind. He thought he would never see the outside world again.
When Talon discovered De Kuiper's existence, they infiltrated the facility and broke him out, planning to use his brilliance and research to further their plans. In their custody, De Kuiper slowly gained control of his powers. Now, gravity moved according to his will, and he was closer than ever to achieving his life's goal. But the same experiment that had opened his mind had also fractured it, and he struggled to keep the pieces together.
De Kuiper continues to develop his powers in hopes of unlocking the secrets of the universe, unaware that Talon is using both him and his research."
from the playoverwatch website
peak escarp
maybe the effect of the experiment didn't appear right away
rugged helm
hmm
peak escarp
he could have seemed normal until he got back to earth, then things started going weird
rugged helm
ye
subtle geyser
specifically here "Believing that he was close to achieving his goal, he performed his most important experiment on an international space station." and "He had to be evacuated immediately." "Upon returning to Earth, De Kuiper was quarantined in a secret government facility. "
rugged helm
hm
subtle geyser
so he went there to conduct the experiment and after it failed he got evacuated and imprisoned
trim ibex
Accordingly, ye
peak escarp
Moira
rugged helm
yea
trim ibex
He created a black hole which plummeted his mental state
rugged helm
hmm
trim ibex
Deemed unsafe to be in public
subtle geyser
sigma is an astrophysicist
peak escarp
he could be hearing the music of the universe
subtle geyser
i mean he always talks about "keep it together" "i need to hold it together" etc
hes trying not to break
peak escarp
peak escarp
it's just a philosophical concept, but maybe Sigma can actually hear it
trim ibex
Deems
trim ibex
One more question, where does sigmas orbs come from?is he just manipulating a black hole?
rugged helm
mabe
trim ibex
Ye, it seems like he can summon then with his hand movements
rugged helm
i like that map
trim ibex
He is definitely a very powerful character lore wise
subtle geyser
just look at this
it portrays his current personality pretty well
in his origin story you see different phases of him
but here you see where hes at currently
trim ibex
Ye that's true
subtle geyser
he almost seems power hungry at the peak and the voice actor also referred to him currently as in "godmode" i think
https://youtu.be/gVpzsANbIG0?t=2529 here's the voice actor panel with sigmas va timestamped
he talks about the origin story and the different personalities sigma showed
subtle geyser
like sigma used to be just a curious/determained scientst trying to figure out the universes secrets, then theres him as a prisoner, where he's scared and confused what's happening to him
i mean a flux is just a rapid shift of something
trim ibex
Ah so he just manipulating gravity
peak escarp
yep
trim ibex
Nothing too special then, just what he specializes in
subtle geyser
fluctuation
an irregular rising and falling in number or amount; a variation.
trim ibex
He deems it an experiment
Makes sense
Devs are so good at making things make sense for whom drives into it
Aight, gtg. Sigma was fun to talk about
rugged helm
byee
trim ibex
Doomfist is cool
subtle geyser
the fight is just really good
but 19 characters dont even have an origin story sadly
19/32 its a lot :(
subtle geyser
and 14 havent been seen in an animated short
trim ibex
Hopefully overwatch 2 releases will bring alot out
subtle geyser
ana, baptiste, doomfist, junkrat, lucio, moira, orisa, pharah, roadhog, sigma, symmetra, torbjörn, wrecking ball and zenyatta
and zarya only had like 2 sec screentime xd
mercy didnt have that much either
peak escarp
so far the heroes who have not been featured in a major lore source (comic, animated short, short story or novel) are Moira, Sigma, Wrecking Ball and Zenyatta
of those 4, only Zenyatta doesn't have an origin trailer
dim scroll
Zen was also in the OG lineup at Blizzcon 2014 when OW was announced, where as the other heroes were added post launch.
rugged helm
hmm
peak escarp
the other 3 probably won't
rugged helm
hmm
peak escarp
Lucio might be on that list as well, but he does appear in the upcoming novel
I just don't know how much he appears - is he actually part of the story, or is it more of a cameo
peak escarp
no
subtle geyser
but she mentions winston as her colleague
and i dont think she means monkey winston
peak escarp
she does mean monkey Winston
subtle geyser
isnt that diary set before the 9 year frozen thingy happened?
peak escarp
no
subtle geyser
oh
peak escarp
this is after she gets unfrozen
He thinks that people will find my "unique" perspective interesting.
her "unique perspective" is being someone who woke up from 9 years of cryostasis
my name is Mei (yes, that Mei!)
and her story has gotten her a bit of fame
subtle geyser
so... how much time is between recall and zero hour?
peak escarp
about a year
subtle geyser
so this happens during that time?
peak escarp
yes
subtle geyser
oh okay
its kinda weird how apart from tracer and mei no one else directly answered it though
peak escarp
yeah
subtle geyser
i havent read valkyre and baptistes short story yet tho
peak escarp
you should
subtle geyser
but im still curious why they suddenly all appeared at paris
dim scroll
They are both really good
subtle geyser
like i guess winston sent something to all overwatch agents again
peak escarp
for the drama
subtle geyser
ig
oh yeah
she talks about "abandoned overwatch research stations"
and "its been so many years"
it looks like she went to nepal?
maybe she will meet zenyatta in the mountains :D
peak escarp
maybe
limpid agate
but 19 characters dont even have an origin story sadly
Debatably only 17.
A Moment in Crime is not in the same forumula as the origin shorts
But neither is Doomfist Origins
It is effectively an Origin Short
rugged helm
overwatch 2 lookin good as fuck
subtle geyser
i know about a moment in crime but i dont consider it an origin story
its more about the theme the other ones have
limpid agate
Its its own catagory
There is nothing like it
But its closest to an origin
A slideshow about the characters with narration that is meant to formally introduce the hero
peak escarp
I would say it stands out because it's not the hero doing the narration, but neither is Wrecking Ball's
rugged helm
hmm
limpid agate
If Bastion or Reaper had one, they would probably be narrated by other characters too
peak escarp
If Reaper had one, I'd like it to be narrated by Olympia Shaw, like a news report
Sombra's was partially animated too
Sombra's also doesn't have a "title screen" where it says Sombra Origin Story like all the others (minus Doomfist)
since Moira this title screen has been standardized, but before that it was a bit more unique
it's also notable that since Moira, the origin stories have all been illustrated by Nesskain, which makes them even more standardized
subtle geyser
well hammonds is by dr harold winstons journal entry
would be weird if it was by his mech lol
rugged helm
but understandable
subtle geyser
it shows her history tho
subtle geyser
thats how she was created
subtle geyser
i dont really main anyone, but thats unrelated to the channel anyway
subtle geyser
also back to the sigma discussion, the balls he throw are called "hyperspheres"
and "Sigma launches two gravitic charges, which bounce off walls and implode after a short duration, damaging enemies within a sizable radius."
queen plaza
whats a good video to bring me up to speed with the overwatch lore so far?
peak escarp
limpid agate
@queen plaza That video is the official summary of shorts.
For 1 step of more detail
!!loreGuide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
limpid agate
You can just look at the top two or three things.
The first link is just the shorts, which are the popular thing.
Second is just the important comics. There are more comics.
Third is the Soldier/Ana story arc. They are important, but that probably wont be relevant in OW2
arctic loom
this guide is on order?
limpid agate
In order of suggestion, yes.
copper copper
I’m trying to write up a new Archives mission just for fun, but I’d like to hear some feedback.
limpid agate
No fanfiction here.
swift mason
2 days until the book! So much hype! New lore!
terse nest
"something racist, like XqC"
lavish elm
Not relevant
warped trench
cool
candid cobalt
lavish elm
@warped trench there is a preview out now
manic hazel
somebody give me a name
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manic hazel
oop sorry wrong place
my bad will not happen again
wait oh this server doesnt have a #random thats why i messed up my mistake
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
peak escarp
hmm
that is pretty concise
I did make a nice summary post with links a while ago, but it's a bit big
formatted as a timeline, because people commonly ask about the timeline
did I miss anything important?
peak escarp
yes
primal escarp
correct me if im wrong, but wasnt he hunted down by his ex-partner or something?
primal escarp
yeah yeah, what happened after that?
because didnt Mauga say that he will let him live or something as long as he never sees him again?
but then they meet again
peak escarp
you should just read What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
peak escarp
we need a follow-up to that story
primal escarp
we really do
peak escarp
does Baptiste actually get to meet Mercy? what does he tell her? what does she tell him?
primal escarp
Baptiste is the ultimate medic from talon, and Mercy is the ultimate healer from OW
combined, they are the unstoppable duo of healing
peak escarp
we know from Valkyrie that she stays in Cairo, so if he did go see her then he didn't convince her to leave
primal escarp
i also didnt know that his immortality field ability is canon
so that's also nice to know
dim scroll
I think that it is possible that he convinced her to go, we don't know when he meets up with her, it's possible that Valkyrie takes place before they meet, and he is the reason that she goes to Paris.
peak escarp
we know why she goes to Paris
that my fight had ended in failure. When I thought back to when I was in Morrison’s
office, and I had first decided to join Overwatch, I wasn’t sure if I could ever be
that optimistic again. But I knew that the fire that burned then still burned inside
me now. The struggle, the doubt, and the controversy had worn away that vast
reserve of heroism I once possessed. Perhaps I thought that it was something that
once spent, could not return. But we all must face our everyday challenges and
crises. From time to time, our will to fight is worn down, but it will always return. As I
watched Hanan spread her arms like wings, I knew that my battle was not over.```I stand corrected, thank you @peak escarp. 🙂
last cairn
Hello
This is my first on the lore-discussion channel on the overwatch discord server
peak escarp
hello
what would you like to discuss?
alright, here's a discussion topic
who do you think these people are?
opaque tundra
last cairn
Personally, I've always thought it were a separate family that Reaper is watching longingly
This was before the revelation that Reyes was a family man prior to the incident
As to which lore I'd be interested in,
swift mason
Maybe they aren't related at all, maybe its just an image to show how reaper still has some humanity in him
swift mason
Im down for discussing my girlz
last cairn
I'd like to know how they got together
As well as any scenes with the two of them being a couple
swift mason
I know that they were together prior to the events of the storm rising mission
peak escarp
it was confirmed that the family is connected to Reyes somehow
last cairn
Additionally I saw the omnileaks which says that Tracer uses her chronal accelerator to get out of arguments with Emily
peak escarp
so it's very likely that they're his family
last cairn
The thought of Lena and Emily arguing has me piqued
swift mason
The omnileaks animation isn't canon
last cairn
I wouldn't say a headcanon,
As that would imply that Tracer and Emily argue often
And that would be kinda sad
swift mason
its probably a rare occurence then
last cairn
There's also this fancomic I found titled Anchor, by Liz Parlett
Can't read it tho, unfortunately
swift mason
I hope we get to hear emily's voice at some point
last cairn
I have difficulty when it comes to finding fancomics featuring Lena and Emily in general
^oh yeah, we never did hear her voice...
Did you hear the headcanon where Emily's surname is Lindholm?
peak escarp
I sure hope not
swift mason
No way thats true
last cairn
^^Yeah...
peak escarp
that's almost as bad as her being related to Moira
last cairn
Mm...
Must've been awkward for some when it turns out Angela may not have been fully responsible for Reyes' transformation
swift mason
That was because moira was't confirmed yet, so mercy was the only person to go off on
peak escarp
or not responsible at all
peak escarp
keep in mind the rules of this channel
last cairn
Yeah
What I'm saying is that I hope Hana isn't the only Korean Overwatch character who gets to be a badass
swift mason
I have an OC too but I won't discuss it
last cairn
I'm not as certain in regards to her animated short, Shooting Star
And man, its kinda awkward that her friends name is almost the exact same as my dog's
peak escarp
I hope we get to see more of the MEKA squad in the future
they seem interesting, especially Casino
swift mason
There's a theory saying casino is in kahoots with talon somehow
peak escarp
it's possible
last cairn
Yknow what else is funny?
Before Moira was announced, I had thought that Overwatch ought to include a support character who is far more morally ambiguous, in addition to their weapons being their hands which cast beams of sorts,
Primarily based off the O.W.N. Medic from the TF2 SFM series, Cult of Personality
Basically, you could say I sorta predicted Moira
peak escarp
I think a lot of people wanted something similar to Moira
they definitely wanted an "evil" healer
last cairn
I'm referring to the hands bit tho
The one where one hand emits healing, the other damage
swift mason
Wait I just thought of something, the old concept art for mercy, with it being a male with red wings, he looks like sojurn, do you think that design inspired sojurn's design?
peak escarp
I think he inspired Baptiste's design
swift mason
Im just drawn to the white hair in a pony tail
last cairn
Wait I just thought of something, the old concept art for mercy, with it being a male with red wings, he looks like sojurn, do you think that design inspired sojurn's design?
@swift mason
... holy s**t, I think you're right
Does anyone think that Reinhardts short was maybe a bit... rushed?
Or what of Meis short in regards to pacing?
peak escarp
how do you mean?
swift mason
I mean, Mei's short did have to rush a bit since she was the only one (not including snowball) alive and alone
peak escarp
Rise and Shine makes good use of montage and time lapse to show that time passes
she spends a couple days working on her freeze gun
last cairn
Prior to Meis short, I'd grown attached to the headcanon that she'd suffer some form of trauma akin to Emily Grey from Red vs Blue, in that she puts on a cheery facade to hide how damaged she is inside (as opposed to a full blown psychopath like most fanworks)
peak escarp
she might still be traumatized by the experience
last cairn
Perhaps
peak escarp
consider her interaction with Moira
last cairn
Didn't know she had one
last cairn
(whistles)
peak escarp
at the very least, it's a sore memory for her
last cairn
I can tell
swift mason
I hope there's a scene in OW2 where someone close to one of the heroes dies, and mei is there to comfort them and tell them that she knows what it's like
last cairn
Still, its more in regards to her slasher smile when she kills
peak escarp
there's also an unused interaction for Ecopoint: Antarctica where Winston asks about Mei's time there, and Mei just cries
last cairn
Interesting
peak escarp
last cairn
Most people seem to ship Mei with Junkrat
Personally I like her relationship with Winston
peak escarp
last cairn
Additionally, I ship Junkrat with Symmetra, believe it or not
limpid agate
The only canon relationships are:
- Widow/Gerard (Formerly, she killed him)
- Ana/Sam (Formerly, she widowed him by "Dying")
- Tracer/Emily (Actively dating)
- Torbjorn/Ingrid (Actively married)
- Soldier/Vincent (Formerly. Broke up ~30 years ago)
- Reaper/Unnamed Partner (Formerly. Assumed wife. Widowed by "Dying")
Nothing else other than those 6, and Genji/Mercy, is relevant or worth discussing.
last cairn
ew
@peak escarp
What?
There is another relationship I think is worth pursuing; Hanzo and Zenyatta
limpid agate
No it isn't
last cairn
I wish that their only interaction weren't solely limited to just Hanzo vehemently denying that he's anything like Genji
peak escarp
they haven't even met
swift mason
All relationships don't have to involve them being in love y'know, hanzo and zennyatta could meet and discuss genji
last cairn
Yeah
Apologies if my use of the word relationship had you thinking romance
I was referring to in-game interaction
limpid agate
That's the context of the conversation prior to my comment
peak escarp
if Hanzo decides to follow up on Genji saying to pick a side, he might go looking for Genji
or he might look up Overwatch
last cairn
Perhaps
peak escarp
and end up meeting Genji anyway
swift mason
We know he's not interested in talon
last cairn
Another lore-related matter I eagerly hope gets explored into is Bastion and Torbjorn
peak escarp
Hanzo is one of my least favourite characters, but I'm interested in seeing where his character arc takes him
swift mason
Bastion was adopted by torb
peak escarp
the chances of seeing Bastion and Torb in OW2 are very high
last cairn
@peak escarp im sorry to hear that Hanzo is one of your least favorites
peak escarp
pretty much guaranteed
swift mason
Wasn't it confirmed that bastion would play a big part in the story
peak escarp
Jeff said Bastion would be important in OW2, and we see Torb in the OW2 trailer
last cairn
I even got to thinking that maybe Bastion has Torb remove his weaponry
Sorry, 'their' weaponry
peak escarp
the pronoun for Bastion is "it"
last cairn
Ah
peak escarp
but "it" is very awkward to use for a sapient character
last cairn
Its weird, having to be careful regarding gender pronouns
limpid agate
You dont need to be careful
last cairn
Thats a relief
last cairn
Yeah
Still tho,
I prolly think hes male cos he reminds me of Bumblebee
I noticed that Busan will be in OW2
I wonder as to whether DVa will play a role, as well as Daehyun
last cairn
Not gonna lie, I feel uncertain as to Daehyun
limpid agate
Daehyun will likely never be a hero
peak escarp
I just had a thought
I wonder if they would ever add NPCs to missions that fight on the player's side
last cairn
Elaborate?
peak escarp
like say, for a Busan mission
have the other MEKA pilots on your side, but not playable
peak escarp
maybe even just for a cutscene, like with Echo piloting the shuttle in the Rio mission
last cairn
Perhaps
btw, it was pretty surprising to learn of Echos past, particularly the fact that she's essentially Liao
swift mason
She is an 'echo' of liao
peak escarp
ever since we got the Paris map with Luna, I've wanted them to add NPCs to the spawn room
last cairn
I didn't think much of Echo at first when she first appeared in Reunion and the trailer for OW2, but after learning of her story, its safe to say she has me intrigued
peak escarp
Tuesday
last cairn
Book?? What book???
last cairn
What book??
peak escarp
swift mason
The Hero of Numbani, an official overwtach novel
peak escarp
hopefully my copy arrives on time
last cairn
Huh!
peak escarp
it already seems to be selling well, so that's a good sign
Blizzard will be more willing to release more novels if they know they'll sell
and this isn't even one of the popular/main characters
prisma wren
is lucio in the book?
last cairn
Permit me to suggest adding a channel for OCs on this server?
peak escarp
he is mentioned, but I don't know if he appears in person
@last cairn you can try, but I don't think the mods would go for it
last cairn
So til then, just try to keep it in fanart?
peak escarp
or general
swift mason
Oh god dammit, The book releases in australia on amazon on 1st august
peak escarp
rip
last cairn
^^^ok
peak escarp
you can't get a digital copy?
swift mason
thank you for ur contributions
last cairn
I hope we can get along in future convos as well
And that hopefully this server may be a bit more wider in its categorization of fanart/fanworks
gnight then
swift mason
Maybe if the mods allow it, they could add an extra discussion channel for OC's and fanart
wary cosmos
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
wicked widget
wait what time is Overwatch taken place
in relevance to Overwatch 2 and the omnic crisis
peak escarp
wicked widget
tyvm
gusty sluice
about the lore, i calculated that retribution took place on mid september 2068
peak escarp
how did you figure that out?
gusty sluice
sunset and sunrise, and the leaf color of the trees in venice
peak escarp
and the year?
gusty sluice
since overwatch current year is approx. 2076, i subtracted it from 8 years
gusty sluice
2076 is 60 years after 2016 i belive
peak escarp
the setting is "something like 60 years in the future"
not exactly 60
and they've been saying that since 2014, so we don't know when to start counting
my best guess for the Overwatch current year is 2073, based on the fact that the name of the hurricane in Storm Rising is Fernand, which was a name used in 2019
hurricane names are repeated every 6 years
gusty sluice
if the year is based on 2014(year of creation) then overwatch was set on 2074
peak escarp
the setting is "something like 60 years in the future"
not exactly 60
it could be 56 years from 2014, it could be 63 years from 2016
we don't know
pliant sparrow
!!shitposting
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warped trench
hi
north zodiac
Oh I made a little fan made animation myself here
north zodiac
@warped trench thanks
hoary condor
!!shitposting
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grand wedge
@worthy rose Sigma only have some datamined unfinished interactions that I hope will be implemented someday - and completed of course : https://youtu.be/-SSldKeLWOY
potent rapids
google will take over over watch with echo
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Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
sick robin
which hero has the least lore
gusty sluice
Well, probably zenyatta
peak escarp
Zenyatta, Moira, Sigma and Wrecking Ball
sick robin
poor hammond
gusty sluice
There is some inconsistence with Mccree while he was still in Blackwatch. Why did he look different in Winstons picture compared to Retribution?
sick robin
which heroes have the best lore in your opinion
gusty sluice
Hmmm... i should say mccree and reaper
peak escarp
@gusty sluice which picture?
gusty sluice
The one that winston has, he is next to genji.
gusty sluice
No, on the short Recall
gusty sluice
Yes!
lavish elm
That design is so weird, like a middleman between normal and black watch
gusty sluice
I see it now. So Mccree in retribution is technically him before he left blackwatch?
peak escarp
it's one of the images that Michael Chu admitted weren't accurate, since at the time they were just going for the mood of the image without worrying about accuracy
gusty sluice
Ah I get it now
peak escarp
this one is another one - Jack, Gabe and Ana should all be older
and McCree I guess
gusty sluice
Tracer Winston Mccree and Mercy should not belong there according to the current lore
peak escarp
either it's right after the crisis, in which case Tracer, Winston, McCree and Mercy shouldn't be there
or it's right after Uprising, in which case Jack, Gabe, Ana and McCree should be older (and Winston has no reason to be included)
but like I said, Chu admitted they were just going for a heroic image, and weren't really thinking about accuracy
gusty sluice
It doesnt make sense if it happened after Uprising because Overwatch was slowly getting scrutinized
At that time
peak escarp
that's the only time that these heroes would all be together
so it doesn't make sense either way
worthy rose
isnt zenyattas lore just
oh he's in a cult or something
and i wouldnt say moira has little lore
peak escarp
he was a member of the Shambali, which is more like a religion than a cult
and he helped Genji find peace with himself
that's about it
I did have Moira listed because she isn't featured in any shorts or comics, but I forgot she is featured in a mission, so not really
same reason Lucio isn't on that list
gusty sluice
Lucio has a lot of lore actually
pliant sparrow
Is it just me or is genji really small in that picture?
peak escarp
I wouldn't say a lot, but he does have a fair amount
and he's getting even more soon
but before OW2 and this new novel, Lucio's lore was just his bio, one article and his soundtrack, and a few lines of dialogue in the game
definitely on the lower end of things
velvet gazelle
I know nothing about the lore, anyone care to fill one in?
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
peak escarp
go through these links to get the basics
if you want to know more, you can ask anyone here - most of us are pretty knowledgeable
velvet gazelle
thank you!
steel peak
I need to read up on lore at some point
I’ll be stuck in a car for most of the day tomorrow so maybe then when I’m not driving
visual kernel
basically overwatch iis just your regular disfonctional family, where everyone pretend to love each others but dont give a crap and ultimatly just wanna kill everyone !
limpid agate
!!shitposting @visual kernel
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visual kernel
???
warm needle
what is lore
peak escarp
noun - the body of knowledge, especially of a traditional, anecdotal, or popular nature, on a particular subject:
spice rose
How did ana faked her death?
frosty totem
his?
spice rose
Sorry lmao
frosty totem
we dont really know
paper gazelle
Ana is a her lmao
basically got shot by widow in the eye during an operation
others thought she got MIA/killed, in reality however she actually survived
cosmic crest
Some people must have known she was alive, in her origin video we see her in a hospital bed after the incident.
subtle geyser
apart from zens hero description and a few ingame voicelines, do we have any other lore about him?
@frosty ingot why would you rickroll in a lore channel
@spice rose @frosty totem everyone thought she was dead because she got shot and disappeared, ill just paste this text from bastet:
Jack blew gently on his tea to cool it. “You’ve been here the whole time?”
“Ever since I left the hospital in Poland.” Ana watched as Jack sipped his tea.
He made a face at the bitterness. “Any sugar?”
Ana ignored him. “When I woke up, I didn’t remember who I was. I had no name to give them, so they called me, ‘Janina Kowalski,’ your Jane Doe. For months, I sat in that hospital room in pain and confusion. Dr. Lee told me I was lucky. Well, as lucky as you can be after having glass and shrapnel embedded in your skull.” Ana felt the phantom pain of her eye even as she recounted the experience.
“We tried to find you,” Jack said somberly. “I used every resource at my disposal. Gabe even put McCree on it personally. Not a trace. Everyone else tried to convince me you were gone and that I was being irrational. But deep down I knew that you couldn’t be dead.”
And I was right, Jack thought.
“Dr. Lee kept me out of the system. I convinced her some dangerous people were after me.
she was moved to a hospital in poland and they didnt know who she was, and when she woke up she convinced them not to notify anyone
and overwatch didnt know where she was moved either or where her body went
so they all assumed she was dead
although im not sure how she was moved to poland in the first place
swift mason
It's the future, probably flown there in a ship
subtle geyser
i meant like
how was she found, who found her and why did they bring her to a poland hospital
all of that must have happened without overwatch's knowledge
where was the mission anyway?
swift mason
We don't know, there have been theories suggesting it was one of her friends that weren't in overwatch
I think the mission was in Cairo or something
It doesn't say in the legacy comic
subtle geyser
yeah i just read it again
apart from one store called "TSANG" there's nothing else to go off of
and well, a wreckt city
swift mason
Yeah i saw the tsang thing too
subtle geyser
but i dont see anything implying cairo
swift mason
It's just a guess, it has a sandy aesthetic to the landscape
then again, it could be anywhere with that aesthetic
Im reading the junkenstine comic, and I didn't realise that torbjorn looks like a child in one of the panels
It's the panel where rein takes a sip of punch
radiant valley
hes got the height of one
swift mason
Ok so apparantely Sojourn has cybernetic brain upgrades, i found this out in the preview of the New novel
and Lucio's skate size is 42
lavish elm
Hero of Numbani out today
subtle geyser
already preordered :3
idle marsh
grand wedge
The preorder wasn’t send today, and I still don’t have a delivery date 😭 what about you guys?
hidden wagon
what was that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr8Z2PIEfXE&t=1s
@idle marsh
cosmic crest
a shitpost
peak escarp
although im not sure how she was moved to poland in the first place
@subtle geyser The missions seen in Legacy was in Poland - that's where she got shot
subtle geyser
how do we know that?
it doesnt mention the mission location in the comic unfortunately
peak escarp
because Ana is given the Polish Jane Doe name in the hospital
subtle geyser
yes... after she was moved to the hospital?
that doesnt have to do much with the mission
grand wedge
Why move her to another country?
peak escarp
why would she be moved to another country?
subtle geyser
i dont know but they never mentioned where exactly the mission is either
peak escarp
she didn't go to the hospital herself
subtle geyser
i know
all im saying is we dont know the circumstances of her being moved to a hospital
@swift mason i looked up tsang and the assistant art director for overwatch is arnold tsang
but i havent found anything in-universe with tsang so maybe its just an easteregg
peak escarp
it was on amazon
grand wedge
wich one?
grand wedge
Why canada has it and not the french and US?? Thank's I'll see if I can order it!
Damn, when I sign in, I can't order the kindle one ><
peak escarp
idk
grand wedge
Not available in France....
hot kite
sombra had a mission with junkrat
peak escarp
when?
primal escarp
so, how does Ana feel about Jack?
like, she knows that the reason why Reye's face looks like you took a hot iron and smashed it on his face is because of Jack
and when reye's did his spooky spooky thing and went away, she was then reunited with Jack
and they chatted and stuff
but now that she has seen Reye's face, how does she feel about Jack?
peak escarp
she probably doesn't blame him for it
Reaper says it's Jack's fault, Jack says it's Talon's fault
of the two, I think she's more likely to believe Jack
hot kite
i heard a voiceline that sombra said she has to soon work for a rat
solar glen
soldier is gay?
limpid agate
Yes
solar glen
ugh
limpid agate
So is Tracer.
Widowmaker, Torbjorn, Ana, and presumably Reaper are not. Also Mercy/Genji.
solar glen
Man, how was I supposed to know
limpid agate
By reading the story
peak escarp
Zarya is a woman
solar glen
oh sweet ok
lean crow
solar charm
I said end of discussion
peak escarp
you don't get to decide
peak escarp
this is a discussion channel
peak escarp
it doesn't just end because some nobody comes along and says it does
solar charm
Gotcha!
peak escarp
well he isn't important to the story
peak escarp
Zen will be featured in OW2
solar charm
:O
peak escarp
I'm very patient
swift mason
Well this sucks, Hero of numbani doesn't release in Australia until august
lament prawn
where do you check when it releases in what country?
young knoll
wrong channel
gusty sluice
I dont get it why Soldier 76 became so strict and vengeful while in the past, he was quite mild tempered and open.
young knoll
perhaps because the organization he headed was destroyed by his best friend, while his comrades were hunted down and killed by Talon
well, the base
the organization itself was more destroyed by the Petras act due to public distrust of Overwatch fostered by Blackwatch which was also headed by his best friend
gusty sluice
Reyes hated Talon as it is evident in Retribution, but people who followed him became part of Talon after their supposed deaths.
gusty sluice
He swore vengeance against them for killing nearly all of his men in Blackwatch when a Talon agent planted a bomb at their headquarters in Rome. This is the reason why he killed Antonio in the first place because of his revenge. After his supposed death he became a high ranking member of Talon swearing revenge against Overwatch agents which is kinda opposite.
peak escarp
He swore vengeance against them for killing nearly all of his men in Blackwatch when a Talon agent planted a bomb at their headquarters in Rome.
it wasn't "nearly all his men"
it was one attack against one base
he swore vengeance because of Gerard
gusty sluice
I think he swore revenge against Gerard and those Blackwatch agents died in the bombing. That stressed Reyes a lot... He was already conflicted before he killed Antonio.
Those events angered Morrison and that is when their relationship went sour
peak escarp
Morrison was okay with Reyes going to avenge Gerard (even if he couldn't legally sanction it)
the main source of tension between them in Retribution was the fact that Reyes hired Moira behind his back
gusty sluice
Morrison was absolutely enraged when he interrogated Reyes after the incident.
young knoll
how does that disprove anything Doctor_Six said
gusty sluice
This is what I meant.
peak escarp
gusty sluice
He was enraged because it was not the thing he intended to do because it surfaced what Blackwatch has done, and that ruined his reputation for the sake of protecting the world
gusty sluice
Those things changed Morrison radically, and thats why he became Soldier 76 today.
gusty sluice
Its a discussion but I was boggled how Soldier 76 was a completely different person compared to what he was serving in Overwatch.
peak escarp
Morrison has been through a lot
it's not that surprising that his personality has changed
little sail
^
primal escarp
i mean, can you blame the guy?
he spends his whole life protecting citizens, putting everything on the line for them, even his own life is put second to the safety of the people, then they all had the nerve to start blaming OW for what's happening around them
peak escarp
it's enough to make anyone bitter and cynical
peak escarp
I have
peak escarp
civilian casualties.”
Mauga shook his head. “And you were naïve enough to believe him? Look around, Baptiste. This is what
we do.” He spread his arms. “Remember Makati? Or that time in Singapore? Or did you conveniently forget
how those went down, too?”
“Cuerva told us that those missions were on the level,” Baptiste said weakly. He’d known the truth, even
then. But he hadn’t wanted to believe it. And from the look on Mauga’s face, he knew that, too.```
onyx zodiac
civilian casualties.” Mauga shook his head. “And you were naïve enough to believe him? Look around, Baptiste. This is what we do.” He spread his arms. “Remember Makati? Or that time in Singapore? Or did you conveniently forget how those went down, too?” “Cuerva told us that those missions were on the level,” Baptiste said weakly. He’d known the truth, even then. But he hadn’t wanted to believe it. And from the look on Mauga’s face, he knew that, too.```
@peak escarp
gg
peak escarp
?
worthy rose
69
peak escarp
!!loreonly
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paper gazelle
How does the excerpt above even relate to Ip Man 3??? Idk I forgot many details of the plot of Ip Man 3
Anyway I'm still confused to why Reyes changed his behavior drastically (though I am more confused by the Valorant ignition trailer)
north apex
Is Harold winston (winstons “creator”) alive still?
If there’s one thing i don’t understand its whether there were 2 null sector attacks or one
So there’s the uprising one and overwatch 2??
swift mason
Harold winston isn't necesarilly winston's "creator" he's more or less a father figure who would help guide baby winston with his unique intelligence
And the first null sector attacks we see are in kings row, back when overwatch was whole, the null sector attacks in OW2 take place many years later after the initial attack
We don't know if harold survived the ape uprising, his spacesuit is seen missing on the horizon lunar colony map
so maybe he did, but we don't know
hollow wraith
Imiss ho9u
north apex
Ok thx
dim scroll
!!shitposting @hollow cargo
peak escarp
Harold is almost certainly dead
ebon cargo
does anyone remember the ending cutscene at strom rising
pastel ocean
remember what about it
onyx zodiac
Lol
peak escarp
that omnic is likely to be the main antagonist of OW2
pastel ocean
im confused bc they just said "do you remember it" like not even a statement about it or anything 💀💀
peak escarp
people tend to have a short attention span
ebon cargo
i do
pastel ocean
man
after reading hero of numbani it made me wanna play orisa
before she was kind of just a big horse but once you read the book you'll see her a whole new way
cosmic crest
I agree with them, I find Moira to be the most unsettling by a wide margin.
peak escarp
but a good villain is one that drives the narrative forward - Moira doesn't do that
worthy rose
who would you say pushes the narrative?
peak escarp
Doomfist
worthy rose
i still think doomfist is a good villian
(although doomfist is a pretty generic name, although it makes sense)
i like his whole ''war is the only way we evolve'' ideology
dim scroll
(although doomfist is a pretty generic name, although it makes sense)
What about Fusionator or Skyquake?
valid terrace
Doomfist is more of a title, like royalty being called King or something
dim scroll
I'm curious how the Scourge got it from the Savior.
valid terrace
Most likely in the same fashion our current wielder used
peak escarp
maybe
tender perch
you think theres a possibility that theres a talon basee on the moon?
peak escarp
probably not
tender perch
i wish cause then we woulld have a moon battle if we ever had an event like that
twilit nacelleBOT
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pastel ocean
moira is the best villain, i agree
you are painfully unfunny
as everyone else who comes in here and shitposts
!!shitposting @spring patio
peak escarp
just ignore them
pastel ocean
figure it out
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
pastel ocean
please
subtle geyser
@solar charm be excited for zen lore in ow2
did you see the ow2 gameplay trailer?
it looks cinematic-y
at least there will definitely be something with genji returning to zen in nepal
lament prawn
speaking of, i wonder how relevant that cinematic is
it could be A) zenyatta is featured in a full on mission and this is the intro/outro
or B) zenyatta is not featured in a mission, but they still go through and create cinematics or show characters that arent directly/closely tied to missions (similar to doomfist at the end of storm rising)
subtle geyser
it looks like an intro to me
lament prawn
in either scenario, im glad that we're getting content for more than just the couple heroes currently in overwatch/talon
subtle geyser
but yeah it could be both
lament prawn
if they are showing zenyatta in a cinematic even though he isnt featured in a mission, that opens up a lot of doors for showing us the lives of heroes without taking up space in missions or committing to a full story arc for that hero, which may or may not mean more heroes are getting shown in the story
i realize now that is what was bugging me without me consciously realizing: how are they gonna show characters in cinematics, without committing to having them in missions with a big story arc for them? because that limits their heroes by a lot
we knew not everyone is getting featured at launch, but the question is just how few
peak escarp
I think the heroes shown in the cinematics will be the ones featured in the missions
subtle geyser
i mean its been 9 months since the cinematic
im sure theyve made a lot more missions than featured
limpid agate
at least there will definitely be something with genji returning to zen in nepal
That was India, not Nepal
lament prawn
I think the heroes shown in the cinematics will be the ones featured in the missions
thats the thing, i imagined every mission intro/outro cinematic would take place right before/after the mission happens, with the heroes more or less just getting ready or having dramatic dialogue
subtle geyser
oh, how do we know its nepal?
lament prawn
but that genji/zen cinematic felt very... casual, not action packed or urgently before battle
they probably have a time skip in the cinematic right after that part, where geni is ready to fight alongside OW
peak escarp
we only saw like 2 seconds of it
it's hard to judge what tone the full thing would have
lament prawn
thats true, but compare the atmosphere to the rio intro
peak escarp
or it could have been made up for the gameplay trailer
limpid agate
oh, how do we know its nepal?
Again. Its not Nepal.
peak escarp
the Rio intro has a quieter tone once they go into Lucio's studio
lament prawn
with the community's current "no zen lore" meme, they would not tease zen like that and then not feature him
limpid agate
subtle geyser
i meant to say india not nepal
lament prawn
oh it is a mission!
lament prawn
i watched that back so many times, i thought it was soldier, not a talon trooper
so i thought it was multiplayer gameplay
subtle geyser
bruh
lament prawn
i wasnt looking out for it
i just saw automatic shooty and was used to null sector bots as the AI
gusty sluice
Talon troopers look similar with Baptistes uniform anyway
subtle geyser
well thats because he used to be in talon
limpid agate
That's because Baptiste was a Talon Trooper
Aside from the healing, they even have the same gun.
lament prawn
also the white on the helmet, my peripherals thought that was soldiers hair
limpid agate
I didn't notice it was white until now
Probably part of the new look stuff
Where even PvE enemies are getting new looks
lament prawn
probably
subtle geyser
well itd be kinda boring if it was still the same ones from archives
limpid agate
Weve seen a couple, I put them on the wiki already
peak escarp
the enforcers have white helmets
limpid agate
!!wiki Talon_Trooper
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limpid agate
Yeah. The troopers are white in OW2 instead of red
lament prawn
yeah ive seen the render of the talon units
gusty sluice
Talons uniform was quite differnt in Recall short, in contrast to Overwatch 2, Retribution and Storm Rising
limpid agate
OW2 is closer to Recall
subtle geyser
limpid agate
Than Archives
lavish elm
It had more grey
subtle geyser
thats all the archives talon people
lavish elm
The colours were likely changed in game to make for brighter targets in the dark Rialto
subtle geyser
https://i.imgur.com/5OKAgB6.png just a quick comparison between the enforcer
its not really the same
the shoulder pads are white
and you can see his arms
peak escarp
it's an OW2 Trooper
peak escarp
idk it was the only version I could find
limpid agate
lament prawn
new sniper is a lot more widow-ish, which makes sense
gusty sluice
I wonder why Talon Widowmaker doesnt look similar to Talon snipers
subtle geyser
widow isnt on the "council", right? shes just being used by them?
lament prawn
widowmaker is a hero, they dont want her to look generic and blend in too much
limpid agate
She is just an agent, not a council member
gusty sluice
Ah i see
limpid agate
Conditioned. Not brainwashed.
gusty sluice
I think its both
But if i am not wrong, widowmaker was brainwashed by talon when she was kidnapped
subtle geyser
"Talon operatives kidnapped her and subjected her to an intense program of neural reconditioning. They broke her will, suppressed her personality, and reprogrammed her as a sleeper agent. "
gusty sluice
That thing is the reason why amelie lacroix killed her husband, who was an overwatch agent
worthy rose
torbjorn was a stripper
peak escarp
Gerard wasn't just any Overwatch agent - he was the head of their anti-Talon taskforce
subtle geyser
they wanted him gone and realized its easiest to recondition widow and make her kill him
overwatch didnt know that it was her who killed him though
since ana only found out when she got shot by widow
worthy rose
torbjorn was a stripper with soldier
subtle geyser
...
peak escarp
!!shitposting @worthy rose
limpid agate
!!shitposting @worthy rose
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worthy rose
ok then i didnt need to be @ 4 time homies
subtle geyser
it was at the same time
gusty sluice
Makes sense if Talon killed Gerard through Amelie because they hated him a lot since he is the Head of Anti-Talon Taskforce in Overwatch
peak escarp
it was also after they tried to kill him more directly, with bombings and other assassination attempts
but he seemed to be unkillable by sheer luck
worthy rose
@half skiff
half skiff
@worthy rose ?
peak escarp
Gerard and Reyes had history - I wonder if we'll ever learn more about that
gusty sluice
Who knows, maybe there will be a skin challenge or/ with a story that tells about Reyes life
subtle geyser
i really hoped for ow 2 news with the anniversary :(
gusty sluice
Overwatch 2 made the lore and the Pvp modes even more distinct
subtle geyser
apparently blizzard is attending the ign summer of gaming event which will replace e3
and its june 8th
lilac pecan
Oh next week
subtle geyser
yup
"Following the cancellation of E3 2020, IGN announced Summer of Gaming, a digital event coming in June 2020 where people from all across the game industry come together to bring you the latest updates, announcements, and fresh looks at up-and-coming games and next-gen console hardware."
so there definitely will be news, not sure if they will announce anything for overwatch though
lilac pecan
My guess is that they’ll show something more about OW2 to try and regain some hype
peak escarp
they're also participating in Summer Game Fest, which runs from now until August, with presentations every few weeks
gusty sluice
Ahh...
peak escarp
ending with a virtual Gamescom in August
subtle geyser
its not certain if its about overwatch already though
there has been rumors about diablo so
lilac pecan
One can hope
peak escarp
Blizzard usually attends Gamescom, although they didn't last year because they were in crunch phase for the OW2 reveal
subtle geyser
did they announce if they will attend gamescom this year?
peak escarp
they're on the list for Summer Game Fest
gusty sluice
I think we need an another mini event in Overwatch that has to do something with the lore...
peak escarp
which Gamescom is part of
subtle geyser
what do you mean with mini event?
peak escarp
we'll probably get another short story and challenge some time this summer
lilac pecan
Most definitely, those challenges they did + the short story were neat
subtle geyser
theyre full on working on overwatch 2 currently
peak escarp
like with Valkyrie, WYLB and Bastet
subtle geyser
i wouldnt be surprised if we dont get anything until blizzcon, apart from announcements
lilac pecan
But they can’t be fully silent either
lilac pecan
When was that announced/revealed?
subtle geyser
well idk about revealed
but it was available june 2nd
and before that it was preorder-able
its been on amazon for quite a while actually, even before it was revealed
so people theorized if its just fan fiction
lilac pecan
Just googled it
subtle geyser
its from nicky drayden if you wanna look it up on amazon
lilac pecan
If blizzard made an article on it then I doubt it’s fanfic
subtle geyser
no its already known its official
im just saying people used to think it
theres also an book excerpt but please dont talk about it
subtle geyser
or at least put it in spoiler tags
iron plume
people who thought it's fanfic were being dumb
lilac pecan
Fair enough
subtle geyser
ive seen quite a bit of people thinking that
peak escarp
really? wow
subtle geyser
yup
peak escarp
I've seen people call Bastet/Valkyrie "fanfic", but they're just talking about the level of writing
peak escarp
Michael Chu isn't a very good prose writer
subtle geyser
then again i dont really read much so
iron plume
Bastet was fine
subtle geyser
i cant really compare it to other short stories
iron plume
I think Chu's alright at worldbuild-y prose
peak escarp
it wasn't as awful as people make it out to be
iron plume
which Valkyrie mostly was
not so much the character-focused, so bastet wasn't as good
peak escarp
I thought it was fine, but after reading WYLB and having something written by a professional author to compare it to, I can see its flaws
gusty sluice
Did Michael Chu wrote WLYB?
iron plume
no
peak escarp
Alyssa Wong did
iron plume
WYLB is written by Alyssa Wong
peak escarp
she's a short fiction writer that Blizzard hired a couple years ago
gusty sluice
Ah i see