we do not know, but we think that if her ultimate is canon (which it might not be) it might be hard light
#lore-discussion
young knoll
twin atlas
mercy
cold root
whoops
lament prawn
what do you mean, are you implying there was a time skip or something in there?
twin atlas
mercy]
lament prawn
she did that on the fly as the explosions were happening, to protect them
primal escarp
i think the devs themselves couldnt explain it so they just skipped to her adding the final touches
peak escarp
they gave an explanation in Rise and Shine
primal escarp
which was?
twin atlas
thats right
lament prawn
no one's arguing its possible in the real world, its that she can do it in-universe, realistic or not
worthy rose
yeah its all theoretical
cold root
@worthy rose she robbed it from the train right?
primal escarp
Ashe was tipped off about the pod, where that tip came from, we can only speculate
worthy rose
idk
peak escarp
Mei created a device that can instantly (or near instantaneously) create ice
worthy rose
ohh
peak escarp
it's implied that McCree tipped her off
primal escarp
Ice dont work like that
peak escarp
that's the explanation we were given
worthy rose
Is sigma the tallest or am I being lied to?¿ maybe he got stretched out in space
mei could have brought some advanced technology (considering before she was freeze for a few years she was still in the future) to help with her gun
peak escarp
it's science fiction - not everything will be realistic or possible in the real world
twin atlas
echo was stowed away in safe keeping because she is a part of the revival of ov
young knoll
perhaps she condenses and freezes water vapor in the air
peak escarp
@worthy rose we don't know Sigma's height
young knoll
or perhaps it is sci fi bull
primal escarp
i prefer to use the theory that what happens is that she isnt popping in and out of time, but rather she moves so quickly that it appears like she is phasing in and out of time
young knoll
who knows
primal escarp
time is only relative to the person
worthy rose
only jeff
twin atlas
but sigma is 62
peak escarp
yes
twin atlas
yep
peak escarp
yes
primal escarp
that explains why he's bald, and looks like an angry grampa
twin atlas
rein is 61
worthy rose
😂
worthy rose
I STILL CANT BELIEVE TORB IS BRIGS DAD
twin atlas
76 is 55
worthy rose
WTF ABOUT REIN
twin atlas
61
cold root
@twin atlas ah yes, maths 76 = 55
worthy rose
soldier 😂
cold root
i know
worthy rose
Maybe his wife cheated with Rein?
peak escarp
we don't know Soldier 76's actual age, but he's around the same age as Reyes, Ana, Reinhardt and Torbjorn
twin atlas
55
worthy rose
That would explain the shield
twin atlas
soldier is 55
worthy rose
And why they are naturally so close
peak escarp
@worthy rose it's possible for people with dwarfism to have normal sized children
twin atlas
amd reaper is 58
twin atlas
rein is brigs god father
peak escarp
they hang out because Reinhardt is Brigitte's godfather, and the one who named her
worthy rose
AND THEY BOTH MELEE
primal escarp
That's why she has a smaller version of Rein's shield but isnt a full tank, but rather a support
twin atlas
yep
primal escarp
Her father is a DPS, her Godfather is a tank, and she is a support
worthy rose
oh wow i just got shown up
peak escarp
at SDCC 2016 Michael Chu said that Soldier is 1 year younger than Reaper, so he's probably 57
primal escarp
She wants to support Rein because she knows that he's been through a lot of shit
twin atlas
primal escarp
as it was clearly shown in the Rein origin story
worthy rose
yeah for real
primal escarp
Brig is telling Rein to just put the medal down and turn away from it all
that he's done his duty already
primal escarp
She is saying that out of love and compassion for him, she doesnt want him to get hurt, or worse, she doesnt want to lose him
twin atlas
i also have the volume 1 of some orgin or story parts of the characters
cold root
Brig knew medals didnt matter... if only my brig teammates would know that
worthy rose
YO 😂😂
primal escarp
and Rein went blind in the eye that got cut iirc
worthy rose
the “orisa” copycat
cold root
What is it with ow characters and not letting their eyes being repaired by mercy
twin atlas
mercy
worthy rose
i dont think she can do that
primal escarp
^
worthy rose
well i mean she can fucking revive people so
worthy rose
oh rly?
twin atlas
for all we know mercy revives and thats her full extent
cold root
yes she can... she says to ana:"ana you know there are procedures we could look into for your eye"
primal escarp
in the canon, if they dead, they dead
peak escarp
Reinhardt's eye was slashed by an OR14, which was an earlier model
cold root
in game voicelines
peak escarp
Orisa was made from an OR15
primal escarp
depending on the severity of the wound, i can be fixed and healed
peak escarp
Efi is 11
primal escarp
but rein had his eye slashed
worthy rose
still
twin atlas
i have to go
primal escarp
effectively destroying it
peak escarp
Ana had a cybernetic eye before Widowmaker shot it out, so she's already had her natural eye removed
worthy rose
ok bye bye
primal escarp
and mercy was nowhere near him to heal it
twin atlas
if u want to add go ahead
peak escarp
she could easily get a new one, but she chooses not to
worthy rose
got u
twin atlas
byee
cold root
bye
peak escarp
@primal escarp Mercy was 14 at the time
primal escarp
cya
twin atlas
worthy rose
she wants to be a pirate
primal escarp
Further proving my point that mercy was around to heal his eye
worthy rose
get dat booty
primal escarp
if he had gotten that wound with mercy around, he would be fine
she would do her healing thingy and his eye would be good to go
primal escarp
I KNOW
frank ingot
pabo
primal escarp
that's my point
frank ingot
Hello
primal escarp
There was no mercy
worthy rose
Hi
primal escarp
so his eye was screwed
im saying if it had happened when mercy was around tho, it would be a different story
worthy rose
primal escarp
:D
peak escarp
fight?
frank ingot
?
cold root
same thing
peak escarp
discussion
worthy rose
okay
cold root
lore-DISCUSSION
worthy rose
well you both had different views
peak escarp
not really, I just misunderstood what he meant
peak escarp
trust me, if it was an argument you'd know
frank ingot
What are you talking about?
worthy rose
now can we talk about how mccree cant roll until 7 seconds after his first?
peak escarp
gameplay isn't canon
primal escarp
I really wanna know more about what Echo thinks of McCree
Because Echo is a carbon copy of her creator
peak escarp
they seem to be pretty close
primal escarp
🤔
worthy rose
at the end of the McCree vid they seemed to get along
cold root
does that mean liao and cree were close?
peak escarp
McCree was Dr. Liao's bodyguard, so they spent a lot of time together
primal escarp
Is it really them being close, or is it because her creator was close to McCree and she simply is copying her creator
^^^
exactly
peak escarp
it could be a combination of both
primal escarp
if Liao had a crush on McCree, would Echo pick that up and also begin to have feelings?
peak escarp
possibly
worthy rose
I could definitely see that happening
primal escarp
I mean, Echo's whole thing is to learn through copying others
peak escarp
not saying Liao was a cougar or anything
worthy rose
DUPLICATION ACTIVATED
primal escarp
I mean, you never know man
McCree just has that ladykiller vibe to him
his walk, his voice, his whole attitude
peak escarp
he's a very charming guy
peak escarp
worthy rose
lol
young knoll
yeah but we all know McCree x Bob is the superior ship
peak escarp
don't you start that
worthy rose
mcbob ftw
young knoll
I know, not lore relevant
worthy rose
MCROB
primal escarp
I mean, he did say Bob got some "new upgrades"
young knoll
but we were on the subject for some reason
primal escarp
;) ;) ;)
young knoll
despite it all being SPECULATION
frank ingot
im not good at english yeah ah
peak escarp
reminder that this isn't a social channel
worthy rose
in the US
frank ingot
oh
peak escarp
if things get too off topic you'll get warned
peak escarp
I wonder if McCree feels guilty/responsible for Dr. Liao's death
he was the one assigned to guard her, and she still died
young knoll
not much you can do to stop an explosion killing someone
peak escarp
I'd love to get some voice lines between McCree and Echo
frank ingot
oh sorry
worthy rose
i’ve heard speculation that echo is liao
peak escarp
he's already weighed down by the guilt of his past
worthy rose
it seems totally stypid
peak escarp
Echo mimics Liao
worthy rose
stupid*
peak escarp
she's not literally Liao
peak escarp
it was a silly theory
primal escarp
She has all of Liao's personalities
peak escarp
I wonder if Echo would consider Athena her sister
primal escarp
Echo mimics everything she sees
that's how she learns
and so who do you think has spent the most time with Echo?
Who do you think spent the most time with the A.I. system that powers Echo?
cobalt junco
McCree a simp confirmed
peak escarp
probably McCree
nimble meadow
Mccree is a bad bodyguard confirmed
primal escarp
although as much as it pains me to say this, Liao's death had to happen
it was going to happen eventually as she was part of the reason why the Omnic uprising happened
peak escarp
if she wasn't dead, then they'd have to explain why we haven't heard about her at all in any of the Archives missions
valid terrace
McCree was just a guard for Liao, not the guard
peak escarp
it would create a big plot hole
peak escarp
I had a feeling she was dead
primal escarp
although even if she didnt die, you could say she went into hiding
peak escarp
(I was also certain she was female, and I'm glad I was right on that one)
nimble meadow
guys why is widowmaker purple?
primal escarp
her blood being cold
peak escarp
because her pulse has been slowed to make her a better sniper
nimble meadow
i dont think blood works like that
peak escarp
she's got bad circulation
primal escarp
it's all the big macs she's been eating
peak escarp
whether that's how it works or not, that's the explanation we're given
primal escarp
and blood can very much work like that
even in the real world, blood can work like that
hollow siren
Didn't someone make a video explaining it?
peak escarp
Her mission complete, Amélie returned to Talon, and they completed the process of turning her into a living weapon. She was given extensive training in the covert arts, and then her physiology was altered, drastically slowing her heart, which turned her skin cold and blue and numbed her ability to experience human emotion. Amélie was gone.
primal escarp
in fact, multiple animals use that
valid terrace
It’s impressive how much she can move with her blood flow lowered so heavily
But she’s likely fairly unique in that regard
peak escarp
realistically, she'd be pretty much incapable of doing anything really
but since this is sci-fi, it works
valid terrace
The other Talon Snipers seem to just stand or walk and shoot
primal escarp
realistically speaking, if she tried to do anything she does in the game, she would die
valid terrace
In game doesn’t matter
hollow siren
Welcome to Science Fiction
primal escarp
simply zooming around with her grapple is enough to make her black out
primal escarp
even what she does in the cinematics is enough to end her life
valid terrace
And certainly not with the same instant acceleration
primal escarp
she has drastically slowed her heart
valid terrace
Yes
primal escarp
this means that the oxygen flow to her brain is drastically less than a normal human's
theoretically, she shouldnt be moving at all
valid terrace
She has also gone through mental training while possessing the skills of a ballerina
primal escarp
that doesnt change the fact that with her current state, she shouldnt be able to move at all
when animals lower their heart rates, they practically stop moving all together
valid terrace
She seems to be the only sniper capable of advanced movements
primal escarp
because it's fantasy and some logic must be thrown out the window
valid terrace
It’s likely that she strains her body quite hard
But she doesn’t care because of the mental stimulation of securing a kill
peak escarp
I'd like to know what Widowmaker does in her downtime between missions
does she just sit and wait, or does she socialize/have hobbies?
valid terrace
Is her sunbathing canon?
young knoll
training, probably, and trying to stay warm
valid terrace
She also is fixing up the Chateau
young knoll
I don't think so, but it makes sense with cold blood
small fulcrum
She doesn't feel anything emotionally
Oh wait in the comic she visits Gerard's grave
small fulcrum
Damn that's fcking sad tbh
peak escarp
it is
valid terrace
She doesn’t regret killing him tho
nimble meadow
how can doom walk with such a big arm?
young knoll
probably light weight materials
small fulcrum
He buff af
valid terrace
Yeah we see the kid wield it with minimal effort
peak escarp
Doomfist has a prosthetic arm under his gauntlet
valid terrace
And Tracer hold it with one hand iirc
peak escarp
the kid just wore the fist, not the whole arm
valid terrace
Well yeah, but that’s presumably counterbalanced by his organic one
young knoll
is the prosthetic part of the gimmick, or is it just the gauntlet?
peak escarp
But when he lost his right arm in the aftermath of the Omnic Crisis, it seemed his martial arts career was finished before he had reached his prime. His company's cybernetic prosthetics allowed him to recover from his injuries, even making him stronger, but these enhancements rendered him ineligible for competition.
his right arm is a prosthetic
he got that before he became Doomfist
nimble meadow
how is it that artioas and sif guarded the abyss at lord gwin's command yet only artioas was corrupted yet sif made it out?
small fulcrum
wonder what it looked like tho
peak escarp
when he killed his mentor and took the title and gauntlet, he remodelled the gauntlet to suit his fighting style
small fulcrum
@nimble meadow wait wtf? lul
nimble meadow
sorry wrong discord server
small fulcrum
oh lol sry I just wanted to know what he was talking about
peak escarp
Akinjide Adeyemi's gauntlet was left handed
Akande remodelled it to be right handed
small fulcrum
What short you guys want to see next?
peak escarp
I want to see McCree confront Reaper
peak escarp
I have a feeling they're saving that
it would probably reveal why Reyes went over to Talon
small fulcrum
for OW 2 perhaps?
lucid sapphire
you know what we all want
valid terrace
I’d like to see what Junkrat found/ why he was kicked out
lucid sapphire
cough Zen cinematic cough
peak escarp
that would be boring
valid terrace
He’s getting lore in ow2, there isn’t much to add
lucid sapphire
oh cool
valid terrace
He has no history he just vibes atm
Literally Genji is the coolest thing about him
And we know about it already
peak escarp
he was a robot (probably built for manufacturing/worked on an assembly line) who had a spiritual awakening and went to live in the mountains with the monks
that's about it
lucid sapphire
I just want to know what happened and what was this robot with the hoodie at the end of storm rising
small fulcrum
OW 2 for sure
peak escarp
he'll probably be the main antagonist for OW2
small fulcrum
Maximillien as a hero for OW 2?
peak escarp
teaming up with Talon
valid terrace
Max isn’t a combatant
peak escarp
Max doesn't seem like hero material
small fulcrum
His ultimate drops a squadron of talon troops?
Well so was Brigitte when she was first introduced
peak escarp
the mysterious omnic would make a cool hero though
lucid sapphire
at first I thought it was Reaper
valid terrace
She was Rein’s mechanic, not a craps player
small fulcrum
Idk it would be cool, like he would have fcking exploding poker cards maybe as a primary?
valid terrace
He literally ran for the entirety of a mission
small fulcrum
tru
valid terrace
Against a set that doom fist clobbered singlefistedly
small fulcrum
Well until Winston....
valid terrace
Yeah
valid terrace
He’s one of my favorite characters
valid terrace
I don’t want Rein to get hurt
small fulcrum
yea lol
valid terrace
I think Winston will rematch him
small fulcrum
hopefully
cobalt junco
@nimble meadow Knight Artorias was one of the four Knights of Gwyn, the commanding knights of Lord Gwyn's army. Artorias had an unbendable will of steel, which both helped and fed his hatred for servants of the Dark, particularly the Darkwraiths of Kaathe.
Lord Gwyn bequeathed him with a custom-made ring, the Wolf Ring, to assist in his already unmatched ability to wield a greatsword.
When in New Londo Artorias discovered the ability of abysswalking; earning him his title: Artorias the Abysswalker. This allowed him to enter The Abyss, the home of the Darkwraiths and the Four Kings themselves. At some unspecified time in the past, when Oolacile was attacked by the Abyss, Artorias traveled to Oolacile to rescue Princess Dusk of Oolacile.
Defeated by Manus and the Abyss, Artorias sacrificed his great shield to protect his loyal companion, a young Sif, from the myriad Humanity Sprites that littered the deepest reaches of Oolacile. With his left arm shattered following his confrontation with Manus, he had no use for the shield and chose to wield his greatsword in his one good hand. With time, Artorias became fully-corrupted by the Abyss (though, in hunting the corrupted denizens of Oolacile, it is clear he didn't wholly forget his mission). At some point after this, an unknown hero (The Chosen Undead) travelled back to the past and, in the process of relieving Oolacile of its corruption and rescuing Dusk, finally bested Artorias.
In doing so, The Chosen Undead preserved the lost knight's honour. Despite The Chosen Undead's feats, the saviour of Dusk and Oolacile would come to be attributed to Artorias. Rather than being corrupted by the Abyss like the rest of Oolacile, it was believed that he perished while facing the Abyss. Perhaps the only compatriot of Artorias that knew the truth was Sif, who in thanks for his rescue from the Abyss gifted The Chosen Undead Artorias' Cleansing Greatshield.
small fulcrum
lol
nimble meadow
@cobalt junco wow I've never really thought about it that way
@cobalt junco but can you tell me why Qui-Gon Jin didn't use force healing in the dual with Darth Mual?
cobalt junco
@nimble meadow this is an overwatch subreddit globehead
valid terrace
I’m heading out, try not getting banned before I wake up
peak escarp
!!loreonly
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cobalt junco
@nimble meadow you're looking for the fortnite one idiot
nimble meadow
@peak escarp yo can you explain what the frozen forest is?
peak escarp
no
peak escarp
because that isn't Overwatch lore
nimble meadow
but i need it for my dps placements
peak escarp
I don't care
peak escarp
I'm not nice
nimble meadow
I'm beginning to question your commitment to the cause
peak escarp
this channel is for Overwatch lore
nimble meadow
yeah that's what im talking about
peak escarp
if you don't have questions or discussion related to Overwatch lore, then I suggest asking in #general-discussion
nimble meadow
im just tryna understand if the winter maps are apart of the canon
peak escarp
the earth in Overwatch still has winter
nimble meadow
but how
peak escarp
what do you mean how?
cobalt junco
i think he means how does it snow
nimble meadow
like i thought global warming would've game ended the world
peak escarp
global warming doesn't mean winter stops existing
nimble meadow
when soldier gets hacked why cant he sprint?
iron plume
because it's a gameplay thing
cobalt junco
legs no worky
peak escarp
because if hack worked like it does in the lore, it would be completely useless against most non-omnic heroes
worthy rose
HêLö GüYs
nimble meadow
but when doomfist gets hacked he can still use his weak baby arm
grand wedge
You've got your answer : it's for gameplay mechanic reason, and not lore.
And gameplay isn't lore
pastel ocean
god that forced ass unfunny purposefully ignoring the channel purpose thing is never funny
like ever
if ur gonna do it then be fucking funny holy shit lol
swift mason
Ok back to lore: Once the hero of numbani book releases next week, can we all agree to not talk about what happens in it for like 1-2 weeks for spoilers sake?
pastel ocean
no it has stuff about lucio and sojourn in it supposedly so once i got it im not shutting the hell up about it
pliant sparrow
How nice of you
pastel ocean
boohoo
swift mason
Well if that's the case, Imma gonna be inactive in this server until i've read it
Because I am all for new experiences without it being spoiled for me, I haven't even watched the demo cutscenes for the Rio mission for OW2 because I want the surprise and immersion
iron plume
We don't know if there's anything about Sojourn aside from Efi fangirling about her from the cartoon
she hasn't been mentioned in the writeups
and I wouldn't leave it up to "agreeing about it", but rather ask the mods
pastel ocean
im fine with waiting to talk about it
grand wedge
I will avoid the channel too until I read it all.
valid terrace
For me personally I’m more interested in the little details, so if the main story gets spoiled, I won’t be too upset
And I won’t talk about anything relevant to the story for a bit obviously
The main premise doesn’t really interest me
But LORE
peak escarp
we should be courteous to people who can't read it right away
and at least use spoiler tags
(if you don't know, you can make something a spoiler by putting || around it)
lavish elm
Im sure something will be figured out
valid terrace
Yeah
Then people can just read all the spoiler tagged messages after they’ve finished
peak escarp
I don't expect there to be anything that major in the story - we pretty much already know the outcome
Efi makes Orisa
valid terrace
Right
The most we will get from a world view is an x-ray view of Numbani
We should come out knowing everything about it for the most part
peak escarp
maybe some worldbuilding and backgound on Numbani/Doomfist
hopefully something to place it in the timeline
(or at least to confirm my timeline)
vernal smelt
I know a orisa novel is coming out, but image a shimada clan style novel
peak escarp
well if this one does well, they'll probably make more
cosmic crest
🤞
peak escarp
I'm excited to see more work by a professional novellist
Alyssa's work was a stark difference from Michael's work, and Nicky's is quite different too
peak escarp
she was created to help humanity, but Overwatch decided she was too dangerous after her creator was killed, so they put her in storage
placid bluff
well thats one way to compact a jucie filled story like that, thanks Doctor
peak escarp
early copies of Hero of Numbani are starting to pop up, and there's no embargo on it, so beware of spoilers
that being said, ||we basically have confirmation that hard-light isn't Vishkar exclusive||
grand wedge
Where are they popping up?
grand wedge
Ok thanks
young knoll
|| it makes sense it would not be exclusive given how useful it would be for things like governments to have ||
dim field
sigma's toes are the key to all your questions
young knoll
|| not sure you could realistically have a monopoly on something like that in the world that Overwatch exists in ||
hollow siren
||Ding dong your hard light energy is gone||
solar plume
did you guys know Winstone is monke?
lavish elm
No, he’s a scientist
peak escarp
one can be both
lavish elm
Fair play
hollow siren
twin atlas
hey guys
lavish elm
Hello hello
twin atlas
mercyyyyy
last echo
hi hi
twin atlas
who do u main
limpid agate
!!loreonly
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jolly python
By the way, can somebody explain Talon's motives to me?
It just doesn't make sense.
peak escarp
right now Talon is starting a war against humanity
jolly python
I know that.
peak escarp
pushing Doomfist's ambition of making humanity stronger through conflict
jolly python
The motives are just too underexplained.
Unless that's what all of the other main Talon leaders think.
peak escarp
many of Talons leaders also stand to profit from a global war:
- Doomfist owns a big prosthetics company
- Moira would have buyers for her scientific discoveries
- Maximilien will have more clients who want him to manage their money
- Sanjay would get more rebuilding contracts for Vishkar
jolly python
good point
peak escarp
so none of them really have reasons to object
although it's hinted that Max will object on moral grounds
jolly python
And Reyes wants revenge
who do you think will/won't respond to the OW recall? Will Reyes also get an alert?
probably not though
peak escarp
Reyes is listed as deceased, so I doubt he'd get one directly
but there are former Overwatch members on Talon's payroll who would get one
jolly python
The thing is, Ana and Jack got the recall.
peak escarp
did they?
jolly python
yes
peak escarp
where did it say that?
jolly python
either that or Angela told them
subtle geyser
wait do the overwatch members even know about reyes rn?
like that hes reaper and working for talon
peak escarp
the only people who know Reyes is Reaper are Ana, Soldier, Sombra, Moira and probably Doomfist
peak escarp
I don't think Jack and Ana got the recall - they likely heard about it from rumors or other sources
jolly python
In the Bastet and Valkyrie short stories.
peak escarp
Torbjorn refused the recall, and decided to stay home in retirement
Mercy didn't answer at first, but Ana convinced her to go back
subtle geyser
omg i need to read bastet and vak
jolly python
In Valkyrie.
peak escarp
yes
jolly python
Also read What We Left Behind.
peak escarp
McCree sent Echo, and is taking care of some business before he goes back himself
we have yet to see Sojourn's response, but I'm sure that'll get covered when we get her bio page
jolly python
Definetely
I mispeel
Sojourn is also some sort of striketeam commander.
We know that from Storm Rising.
peak escarp
yes
grand wedge
Reyes. Just the mention of his name caused a shiver. I thought I’d buried all three of them: Morrison, Amari, Reyes, but their ghosts lived on.
[...]
A black figure emerged from it. A hailstorm of gunfire exploded from its center, and the two old soldiers raced for cover, out of my sight.“What is that?” I breathed.“Gabriel.” I winced from the intensity of Jack’s voice in my ear. A dozen questions tried to shoulder their way into my attention, but right now, I had to push them away.
Does Mercy know that this black figure is Reaper? Because Jack basically told her that was Gabriel so....
Angela knows he is alive but it doesn't look like she knows of Reaper?
jolly python
What would Sigma's motives be?
small fulcrum
Tbh I don't really think Sigma has a motive to work for Talon, but yea something like Moira at the latest
grand wedge
He doesn't know he work for them
“It’s also interesting for Sigma because he’s not necessarily a card carrying believer in Talon,” said Chu. “He’s sort of not there because he wants to be. So we thought that added interesting character to his backstory. I think it’s also interesting to see another scientist in Talon, and I’m looking forward to his interactions with Moira. That’ll be pretty good.”
“There are other groups that make up Talon,” adds Chu. “Especially for someone like Sigma, I imagine they set him up with his own lab somewhere. So he’s not like… walking down the hallway, bumping into Reaper.”
I feel he is a bit like Symmetra : doesn't know that your boss work for Talon
(if Symmetra doesn't know Sanjay is working with Talon of course)
small fulcrum
yea totally agree
jolly python
me too
young knoll
I think that Sym would probably go along with talon considering her ideals if they didn't tell her everyhting
everything*
jolly python
maybe even if they did
young knoll
that I doubt
jolly python
she blew up a building
jolly python
actually you're right
small fulcrum
yup, kinda messed up
jolly python
my memory of the comic is kindf of foggy
small fulcrum
She believes they're doing the right thing
jolly python
yeah. maybe she is
jolly python
yeah
small fulcrum
Vishkar is related with Talon tho
young knoll
Sanjay is
small fulcrum
Sanjay was seen being part of the Talon table
young knoll
I don't think we know for sure that Vishkar itself is
small fulcrum
yea
peak escarp
I'm pretty sure Mercy would have heard of Reaper before
and would probably know/guess that the shadowy figure she saw was Reaper
grand wedge
I mean, Symmetra had done things for Sanjay - she even says to him "You know I don't kill if I don't have to"
In the comic she is looking for compromising documents on their competitor
So she had done questionnable things for him already, because it's to make a better world
But i don't think she is aware he works with Talon - and hopefully she will go further in her questionning at the end of the comic when she is starting to doubt him a bit
young knoll
yeah, that is why I think she would join an organization like Talon, she isn't exactly opposed to breaking laws
but she doesn't seem to be willing to go to the lengths Talon does
peak escarp
she believes actions can be justified by the greater good
young knoll
I don't think that phrase is a good one in general
most laws hurt at least someone
but they go through to help more people, in theory
worthy rose
in practice too
young knoll
some do, some do not
grand wedge
You can see in game her view about Doomfist and his methods
About chaos and order
so I doubt she would join them.
sick siren
Symmetra doesn't do things selfishly, she was to actively help others in creating a better society and just blantantly ignores any conflicting evidence ( "Your father was a Vishkar employee, he knew of the company's vision. a shame he never educated you. ") I think Symmetra just misjudged Vishkar's true intentions
limpid agate
Her worldview is strictly defined by her sense of order.
And she is defensive of the organization that plucked her from poverty and raised her to who she is today.
I wouldn't say selfish is the right word, but I wouldn't say selfless either.
sick siren
@limpid agate she could be compared to Moira in terms of her entire ambition being decorated to a single goal
limpid agate
How so
quick geode
Did we ever get a Reason why Reaper betrayed Morrison?
peak escarp
not yet
quick geode
Shocking
peak escarp
it's a pretty significant thing, they probably want to save it for a big reveal
cosmic crest
I never thought he had a single reason, they were once really close, but Reyes began to resent Morrison slowly over time, believing him to be a poor leader.
peak escarp
in addition to that, things only really got sour after Ana's "death"
she was probably what held them together - with her gone, Reyes' resentment boiled over
we see her being the mediator in the Uprising comic
cosmic crest
I agree, she was likely the only thing stopping them from tearing each other apart.
So after she "died", everything went to hell.
peak escarp
yeah
this ties in to my theory that the fall of Overwatch can be traced back to Moira
not intentionally, but she's involved in several parts of the chain of events that brought Overwatch down
cosmic crest
Moira and Reyes were close, so Morrison firing her was likely another heavy blow to Reye's respect for him.
celest moon
peak escarp
and Reyes hiring her behind his back was a massive blow to Morrison's respect for him
cosmic crest
most likely
peak escarp
you can see it here
Morrison is suspicious of him, and Reyes doesn't trust Morrison with everything
and Ana tries to diffuse
(but like Reaper says in Old Soldiers, she takes Morrison's side)
it may not be an intentional allusion to Moira by the writers, but if it was that's pretty clever
also it would mean that Moira had been around in the writer's minds for quite a while before she was revealed
cosmic crest
she's pretty significant to the lore, that wouldn't surprise me
peak escarp
yeah
cosmic crest
Wasn't Ana originally meant to be in the game at launch?
I remember hearing that, I don't know if it's true.
cosmic crest
Maybe she was originally going to be in at launch, but they wanted to add a new hero close to the release date so they held off.
jolly python
That makes sense.
Also, according to a timeline, The Reaper appeared before Reyes "died."
peak escarp
I have a theory on that
my theory is that Reaper was an urban legend, some deadly mercenary - possibly inspired by Reyes himself on Blackwatch missions
so when Reyes needed a new identity, he just adopted the one that was already based on him and had been around for "decades"
jolly python
Maybe The Reaper was mostly fiction before Reyes actually took that role.
jolly python
or, what if The Reaper is like Doomfist. He killed the previous on to earn the title.
peak escarp
Some speak of a black-robed terrorist known only as the Reaper. His identity and motives are a mystery. What is known is that where he appears, death follows.
eh, I feel like a predecessor would have been mentioned
like Doomfist's was
there's no mention of a Reaper before Reyes took the job aside from the line in the bio
cosmic crest
That theory is amazing, I never thought of that before.
peak escarp
I've got a few good theories to explain things that aren't explained
cosmic crest
I really want to see what caused the Swiss HQ to explode, but I feel like if they show us it won't be as awesome as I imagine it in my head.
peak escarp
probably not
things are rarely as good as we imagine them
it's also easy to look back at things and see hints that probably weren't really hints
which I tend to do a lot
I give the writers more credit than they probably deserve
quick geode
What, you mean you don't like how Chu only posts food on his fucking Twitter, instead of actual lore, so much so, that he got kicked off the writing team.
peak escarp
none of that is true
and how dare someone use his own personal Twitter to post things he likes
Chu did a lot for the lore and I appreciate everything he did
we probably haven't even seen a 10th of what he wrote
quick geode
Yes because learning Torn sleeps with his socks on counts are "lore"
peak escarp
Chu, like every game dev/writer, has company executives telling what they can and cannot reveal
so meaningless trivia was likely all he could say
but it was better than nothing
limpid agate
You miss the amount of times he answered the same questions about Mercy to the point where he wrote a very clearly fed up answer about nanobiotic healing in Valkyrie
frigid stirrup
What other language does Moira speak occasionally?
limpid agate
She knows English and Gaelic.
peak escarp
Irish Gaelic
frigid stirrup
So that's why she's Ginger-
frigid stirrup
Yeah I know that
limpid agate
The Scrooge skin replaced the B with a G for Greedy
frigid stirrup
But his Anniversary Player Icon
limpid agate
Oh anniversary
frigid stirrup
Oohhh
limpid agate
frigid stirrup
Also I got the inspector skin or whatever from a pack
Right after getting a legendary Pharah skin
nimble meadow
@peak escarp how are belt buckles lore related?
peak escarp
they're on the skins
McCree canonically wears one that says BAMF, most of his other skins have variations on that
nimble meadow
you should bring that sort of talk to the overwatch-discussion channel, not the lore one silly goose
atomic cosmos
if sombra hacked sigma's suit would that made sigma go nuts in pain ?
peak escarp
we don't know if his suit has anything to do with controlling his powers
atomic cosmos
it's only my assumption since he felt being split apart while wearing the prisoner outfit on origin stories
peak escarp
the origin story takes a lot of artistic liberties
atomic cosmos
oh
nimble meadow
was it ever explained why torb is super short?
peak escarp
he probably has some form of dwarfism
grand wedge
!!shitposting @maiden skiff
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cedar atlas
vernal smelt
Bruh chill
lavish needle
ok
frosty totem
you shitpost in the lore channel
nimble ridge
hollow siren
Baptiste is from Haiti and talks french
grand wedge
They speak french and creole in Haïti yes. Some of his voicelines are in créole actually - and not french
static sierra
Imagine if Moira had twins and one was good a healer and one was evil not a healer😏
ima write an SS about it
peak escarp
I can't imagine Moira having children
peak escarp
how does one "accidentally" have children?
young knoll
especially in a future where contraception is likely far more effective that now
and we have some effective stuff now
peak escarp
also Moira would not have any issues terminating an unwanted pregnancy
young knoll
probably not, I would wager
static sierra
meh
pliant sparrow
She'd probably try to create a child with the power of science
young knoll
that does not seem to be her area of interest, however
young knoll
that is stretching it a fair bit
static sierra
This is moira we're talking about😒
young knoll
just because she is unethical doesn't mean she would just do whatever ridiculous experiment comes to mind
she is a serious scientist
worthy rose
Imagine her having a child😂😂dat shit would look ugly asf
I cant see moira having children, she's extremely dedicated to her work, she'd just find them a nuisance
limpid agate
She does have dogs
worthy rose
From the spray she has two of them correct?
cosmic crest
I doubt Moira is fertile considering all of her self-experimentation.
peak escarp
she's also 48
cosmic crest
also true
unreal pecan
Hey guys. I’ve been hearing The widow& reaper talking about sombra voiceline a lot since it came out. Do u think we’re getting a new story? Even though the og writer left
peak escarp
they still have the rest of the writing team
the new Widow/Reaper line is referring to the story we already have - Reaper knows that Sombra sabotaged the mission in Infiltration
cosmic crest
Does he know that? I know he's suspicious, but how would he of learned that?
peak escarp
Reaper is the one who told Doomfist about it
Sombra had an earpiece in at the start of that meeting (with what seems to be an open channel) - she takes it out after she admits to setting off the alarm
and even if that isn't how he found out, Reaper isn't stupid
young knoll
he does a pretty good imitation of stupid at times
peak escarp
he just gets a little too dramatic some times
dim scroll
Reyes was always the dramatic one on the team.
subtle geyser
did genji and mccree approve of blackwatch?
i mean genji seems like a great guy and even mccree seems to have good moral standards
they dont seem too shady but in moiras origin trailer she puts them in a pretty shady light
peak escarp
they didn't seem to object to the jobs they took
subtle geyser
peak escarp
McCree was okay with kidnapping Antonio, and Genji pointed out that they've done assassinations before
subtle geyser
"But there were others in the shadows, searching for ways to circumvent their rules."
peak escarp
Blackwatch was the part of Overwatch that worked outside the rules
subtle geyser
i mean moira definitely is a sociopath/psychopath
young knoll
I think that McCree and Genji were fine doing things they thought were necessary, but that they have a line that Reyes apparently crossed
subtle geyser
yeah i feel like both of them are trying to do the right thing, even if its against the law
peak escarp
they were okay with following plans - it was only when Reyes didn't follow the plan that they got upset
young knoll
I think in that situation, they were angry because it wasn't against the plan
I doubt they would have had a problem killing Anotonio
Antonio*
pastel ocean
moira is a sociopath and i wont listen to otherwise
young knoll
but I think the line for them is probably along the lines of involving civilians
since I don't think Genji would have had a reason to leave his clan otherwise
peak escarp
subtle geyser
@pastel ocean i thought so too but her origin story really makes her sound evil, not just because of being emotionless
she seems to actually enjoy it
peak escarp
Genji: Why are you so concerned about one death, McCree? It's not the first time we've had to kill.
McCree: This was an execution
young knoll
not sure how that and assassination are really so different
pastel ocean
mccree is the only person genuinely upset with the killing
subtle geyser
it was against the plan and im sure mccree knew that this wont look good for overwatch
reyes put them in a lot of trouble
peak escarp
and in the comic, McCree wanted to go kill Antonio, but Reyes convinced him that they needed him alive
pastel ocean
speaking of that
peak escarp
McCree objects to going against the plan
pastel ocean
that feeds into the idea that kill was even against reyes wants
peak escarp
it was an impulse kill
subtle geyser
exactly if they wanted to kill them they shouldve done it differently at least
peak escarp
Reyes was planning on capturing him so they could interrogate him and find out who else was on Talon's payroll
Reyes doesn't decide to shoot him until right there in that office
you can see him thinking in the cutscene, he probably realizes that Antonio is right and in that moment, decides to settle it
I think his sudden impulsiveness is a side-effect of Moira's treatment on him, but there's not much evidence of that aside from it being out of character
pastel ocean
i genuinely feel like moira was in on this occuring, or atleast hoping for it
we know she was receiving assistance from talon for a while before she was in the position she is now, maybe even while she was in blackwatch
peak escarp
the only things really supporting my idea are the fact that Reyes was (and still is) known for making plans and following them through (Sombra has interactions mentioning his "careful" planning, and Reaper yells at her to "stick to the mission")
and the reaction Moira has to Reyes shooting Antonio
peak escarp
it's not a surprised look, nor is it one of smugness (like she knew it would happen) - I read it as more of a satisfied look, like "huh, that's interesting"
pastel ocean
better close up of the observatory look before the smile
peak escarp
the sort of reaction you'd expect from someone watching an experiment unfold
and seeing unexpected results
pastel ocean
she does have voicelines referring to how it was a good idea to shoot him, right?
or is that genji
peak escarp
she sides with Reyes when he says he won't apologize
pastel ocean
hmmm
peak escarp
fallen smelt
We need lucio origin story
peak escarp
we already know his story
pastel ocean
he revolted against vishkar stole their shit and scared them away
and hes a dj
we need more lore about him
and speaking vishkar
more symmetra lore too plz :(
peak escarp
there will be some in the novel that comes out next week
pastel ocean
i know thats why im so excited to read it
peak escarp
and Lucio will be featured in OW2
pastel ocean
yes then he dies 😌
pastel ocean
in all seriousness i wanna see what happens after the explosion
peak escarp
Jeff said the mission will end differently
pastel ocean
good
peak escarp
for most of the younger heroes - Lucio, D.Va, Zen, Brigitte, Orisa - the interesting part of their stories are what comes next
how they become the next generation of heroes
I left out Junkrat because his "treasure" is still an unknown that I'd like to find out about
subtle geyser
yeah pretty sure jeff spoiled the ending and said he doesnt die
worthy rose
if lucio overwatch died in the rio mission when the ship blew up then
i would become a full time paladins player
dim scroll
I think that all of the active heroes on the roster are pretty safe. NPCs on the other hand are probably not (Maximilian, etc)
subtle geyser
is there a new lead writer to replace michael chu even yet?
like... if there isnt one theres no lore progress being made right?
subtle geyser
whats that?
peak escarp
As part of the design team, your day to day responsibilities will include dialogue writing, game engine scripting, and general story development. The position requires a balance between creative writing, and extensive technical knowhow. A strong background in game scripting with Blueprint, Lua, or other scripting languages will be critical. Some exposure to VO system design is also heavily recommended.
kinda a hybrid between a writer and a scripter
lament prawn
while the reaction to that job posting was mainly "oh theyre only just hiring a narrative designer? they didnt even finish writing the story yet?" i dont think it necessarily means that OW2 is farther than we thought
i think the vague story is completed, but its just some of the in-game (non-cutscene) chatter that needs writing and scripting
if we were expecting OW2 in early-mid 2021, this doesnt sound far-fetched
peak escarp
I would guess that they have the basic plot laid out, probably the scenarios and the major beats of the story
it's just the fine details they need to finalize
lament prawn
yep
especially if they chose to let you play between more than 4 heroes per mission, that complicates the in-game interactions by a lot
they need to make sure every possible combo has sufficient dialogue written and scripted
lament prawn
i know i talked about this a lot, but i have no idea how they'll get cutscenes to work with that
peak escarp
they could just make cutscenes that include all the available heroes
the intro for Rio had the 4 playable plus Winston, Brigitte, Mercy and Genji
lament prawn
my best guess is that there are 4 very clearly highlighted heroes, the ones that canonically went through that mission, that they'll animate the cutscenes to, while some other heroes are still available but not given much of a spotlight
peak escarp
might be a little more difficult for the outro
lament prawn
or maybe you play the mission with the "correct" set of heroes, and thats how you unlock more heroes for that mission
they could just make cutscenes that include all the available heroes
true, but if you're playing winston, it wont make sense to see winston already in the dropship at the end of the mission
peak escarp
they'd have to make the outro scenes more generic
lament prawn
thats too big a sacrifice imo
subtle geyser
hm im just scrolling through the sigma teasers and people already write "is this sigma" etc
when was he mentioned before his release?
peak escarp
he was accidentally leaked in a FB group for one of the OWL teams, iirc
lament prawn
not only was the choreography in that rio outro absolutely golden, but in some outro cutscenes, especially in a big plot twist or cliffhanger, you need all the exact details and events
subtle geyser
yeah people already found out who he is july 18th
his origin story was july 22th
so not that big of a deal tbh
but still cool to see for sure
also whats up with the company called "sigma bot couture"?
does it have any relation to sigma
subtle geyser
o so its just a big coincidence
valid terrace
Yup
limpid agate
Sigma is just a letter
Its like having multiple things related to the number 76.
Like Soldier's name, and the (speculated) present day.
There are also multiple things named Iris
Or things related to eyes.
twin mantle
Erm I know I'm abit late to the party
But who is the pilot on the blackwatch cinematic?
swift mason
We don't know
peak escarp
her name is Fio
peak escarp
that's about all we know about her
swift mason
She's just one of the many insignificant members of overwatch
peak escarp
probably a bet
swift mason
It's probably one of those throw-away lines the devs put in there to give her personality
peak escarp
that too
twin mantle
Hm
Still
It would be cool to expand on her
We don't really have many blackwatch members
limpid agate
If they havent yet, I doubt they ever will
twin mantle
F
I would like to see another black watch member
Blackwatch*
We got those 4 and that's it
Like we have enough talon & overwatch
limpid agate
Blackwatch is Overwatch
twin mantle
I wanna see some more blackwatch
Ik
Im sayin
More blackwatch
I think blackwatch is cooler than main overwatch ngl
grave spindle
They are but like the cooler older sibling
twin mantle
Yeah
Their missions and general premise are cooler
Like the backwater
Doing the dirty work
Not the cool celebrated heroes that save the day all the time
west fox
heyy gamers
halcyon crater
which character would u like to see a talon spin of
even if it isnt logically possible
like talon zen
little sail
talon echo
valid terrace
Talon Rein
peak escarp
none
valid terrace
I think they have a visually interesting motif that I wouldn’t mind in strictly non-canon skins
Like several of the other faction-related skins
peak escarp
I don't like the Talon look that much
valid terrace
I like the plastic stormtrooper-esque design with the normally closed helmets
valid terrace
It’s likely that every faction besides deadlock will receive some limelight in the upcoming game
little sail
hopefully
valid terrace
And even they might get some screentime
halcyon crater
@valid terrace i mean ana's scope is legit a stormtrooper
zinc moth
if ana's scope is storm trooper....is widowmaker like darth vader?
peak escarp
!!loreonly
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worthy rose
I want a Talon Reaper
prisma wren
wouldnt that be his default skin?
eternal ivy
A cool skin would be a talon sniper for widowmaker, like the one from retribution
primal escarp
moira's irish?
primal escarp
i thought moira was a greek name
hollow siren
It's a greek name yes, but she is irish
It is mostly used in Ireland and in irish it means bitter from what I can read
subtle geyser
man it wouldve been so epic if hanzo was there in zero hour
like if genji and hanzo showed up together
grand wedge
I hope Genji and Hanzo story will be told in OW2. There is a lot of character growth potential with Hanzo. They deserve more than a 10 second appearance in a cinematic.
signal blade
helooooo what is this
trim ibex
Sigma references being in the horizon lunar colony before, it seems like a new line cuz I never heard it before
He says something like, it's good to be back here, what a beautiful place
peak escarp
trim ibex
Was he one of the scientists that we know of maybe?
peak escarp
he wasn't one we knew of
he probably visited when looking for a place to conduct his experiment?
trim ibex
Maybe
Sigma is an interesting character
Feel like we are missing a whole lot of lore for him
trim ibex
True
I think it would be cool to have a sigma animated short of what he did
But prolly wont happen tbh
Or even a comic, or something
peak escarp
eh, I don't think his experiment was that exciting
trim ibex
He is so cool, ye your a cyborg ninja, but I have black holes
That should definitely suck in everyone playing with him
cosmic crest
We already have his origin video. Seeing it in more detail would be nice, but there are plenty of things we have yet to see in the lore, I think their time is better spent making shorts for things we haven't seen in oppose to things we have.
trim ibex
True
Game isn't fun when there isn't any hidden lore to speculate about
Not much heros that we know 100%
peak escarp
we know almost 100% about Orisa
or will when this novel comes out
but she's only a few months old
trim ibex
What?
trim ibex
If this is school related dont post if here, but overwatch essay
rugged helm
lol
subtle geyser
wasnt sigma working on horizon?
trim ibex
Most likely, but was never stated
rugged helm
mebe
trim ibex
He only says a voice line hinting at it
He could of possible done his experiments there
peak escarp
he could just be referring to being in space
subtle geyser
yes he was