I’d like a Talon HQ map even if it’s just for death match
#lore-discussion
valid terrace
hoary condor
maybe an Echo themed/related map?
valid terrace
If we can see inside HLC we should be able to see where Reaper hangs his cloak
Like the lab that exploded?
Echo doesn’t really have a home or BoO
hoary condor
oh :/
valid terrace
Ow2 introduces the 4 biggest ones I can think of
Old mission grounds like Eich could pop up as well
Or Rialto
hoary condor
that would be nice
worthy rose
Hello again
iron plume
we're already getting Rio and (probably) Utopaea so i'm mostly good with maps lore-wise
in the "just for fun" category I'd like to see an arcade map in an unseen part of blizworld
worthy rose
how is Mcree related to Ashe were they in a gang together?
iron plume
yes
worthy rose
oh
sharp valve
Is sigma an anti-hero ?
grand wedge
Sigma is just a scientist who had a bad accident that left him unable to control his power and fractured his mind. He is put in a lab somewhere without knowing he is working for Talon
barren musk
do you guys think blizzard will continue to add more story missions to ow2 even after the main story?
like when a new hero comes out then there will be a story mission for them
fair rampart
sharp valve
i hope so
feral berry
honestly though i think pyro is a female
frosty totem
- wrong game 2. pyro is probably male
dire bridge
Pyro
hoary condor
My friend told me that Lucio’s dad worked in Vishkar, is that true??
cosmic crest
Yes, he created the Sonic Amplifier
hoary condor
Oh ok
tall hound
do you think we'll ever learn sombra's real name?
cosmic crest
Do we know Michael Chu's Favourite hero? I figured it might be Ana because she got a lot of attention in the side materials.
iron plume
He's said Moira was his favorite to write lines/interactions for
but we don't know about "in general"
cosmic crest
🤔
worthy rose
oi lads am low plat tank main (rein and hog)
dm if looking to play
wrong place mate
valid mason
okay
so im confused with one line
so echo says: systems 100% online
good to be back
right?
but she never technically served in overwatch
so what exactly does she mean?
cause she was never finished
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/echo#story
iron plume
Echo was used successfully on test missions alongside Overwatch strike teams, but Overwatch leadership was reluctant to put it into full service.
She took part in test missions
and then only got shut down after Liao's death
cosmic crest
I get Meagman X vibes from Echo. Super powerful robot with copy powers gets put to sleep out of fear it will turn against us.
hallow grove
is there any lore on pharah's dad?
the only thing we know is his name (sam), right?
peak escarp
we know he's First Nations
from a tribe in the Pacific Northwest
and he lives in Canada
hallow grove
but that's it
peak escarp
and he's a public servant of some kind, so probably works in government?
hallow grove
pharah knows him
in the reflections comic, there's an image of her having dinner with him
also, ana and pharah have an in-game voiceline about sam
peak escarp
yes
cosmic crest
I think Sam and Ana might've been divorced
Since Ana doesn't seem eager to tell him that she is alive
frosty shell
it seems like it
bastet has a line about her feeling where she used to wear her wedding ring
cosmic crest
Sounds pretty definitive then
white cobalt
cosmic crest
That headline is so bad
worthy rose
Will Reaper ever die in the lore?
peak escarp
probably not
frosty shell
i don't think we know for sure a surefire way to kill him
though he's by no means immortal
pliant sparrow
Incineration/vaporisation is a surefire method
He likely can't survive without oxygen either
Electricity has been shown to harm him
And I'd assume that enough damage to the brain would also be enough
Take him out before he even knows he's dead
real needle
Is there released lore about Mercy and Baptiste? I just got a game where they interacted with one and other.
iron plume
They worked together in a medical camp in Venezuela
and Baptiste goes to meet her at the end of his story
we don't know what came of that
real needle
Ah I see I was curious cause I’ve never really dove into lore with Mercy and I haven’t heard much lore surround Bap. It was interesting to finally hear an interaction between Baptiste and someone else.
lament prawn
they both have their own short story
real needle
Also I guess while I am here did they explain why Sigma is two faced? Like he’s nice but then he’s insane?
I understand it was a result of the expierment
He was doing with gravity
peak escarp
he suffered mental damage from his experiment with a black hole
real needle
Oof I guess I was hoping for more. Sigma as a character fascinated me
hallow grove
then he was found and brainwashed by Talon
hallow grove
right
real needle
I thought he was brainwashed too
But maybe that’s because he seemed to act evil
I thought it was kinda like widow’s case where she was brainwashed into the perfect killer
peak escarp
his bio doesn't mention him being brainwashed
cosmic crest
I wouldn't say he acts evil, I don't even think he knows Talon is a terrorist organisation
peak escarp
Widowmaker was conditioned, which isn't quite the same as brainwashing
real needle
Did it have to do with the experiment that Moria tested out on her to not make her feel?
hallow grove
according to the short, her heart slowed (like a spider) and that's why her skin turned purple
peak escarp
she was genetically altered to make her heart beat slower and her skin turn putple
cosmic crest
Moira isn't responsible for Widow's reconditioning
peak escarp
but she was also mentally conditioned to repress her emotions and make her only feel pleasure/positive emotions when killing
cosmic crest
Moira was still in Blackwatch when Amelie was captured
real needle
Wasn’t there conspiracy with Moria? That she was working with talon and Overwatch
peak escarp
Moira may have been working for Talon while she was still in Blackwatch
we don't know for sure
real needle
They made it sound like she might have been
peak escarp
but the Talon Assassins, Enforcers and Heavy Assaults are all genetically enhanced
hallow grove
but after blackwatch and overwatch were disbanded her and reyes were confirmed in talon
cosmic crest
Or she might of joined Talon after she was fired, I think that is more likely
hallow grove
idk moira's pretty shady
real needle
I mean they did say that in her origin story
She went to talon as soon as she was fired
peak escarp
she goes wherever people are willing to fund her research
Blackwatch, Talon, Oasis
whoever is willing to give her funding and not ask questions
peak escarp
Oasis cares more about progressing science and less about rules and ethics
they mean well, but their methods aren't for everyone
cosmic crest
I think Moira is the most malevolent character
cosmic crest
Reaper was once a good guy, there was never a time were Moira's motives weren't shady
peak escarp
she's very unethical
hallow grove
especially the nails 
peak escarp
she almost gives me a Cruella deVille vibe - she would probably test on puppies if it would help get results
cosmic crest
While she doesn't directly want to harm people, she doesn't seem to care much for the well being of others, rather twisted since she is a doctor.
cosmic crest
Even still, her disregard for human life is unsettling
cosmic crest
I'm not being critical
hallow grove
which means blizzard did a good job
cosmic crest
I think she is a brilliant villain for this reason
peak escarp
the fact that you react like that to Moira means you have ethics
and that Blizzard has done their job with her characterization
cosmic crest
I'm a humanist, so Moira's ethics naturally unsettle me
peak escarp
humanist?
real needle
I think while Moria is wrong in testing humans she’s not entirely wrong in the progression of science
cosmic crest
I believe that human lives are precious, and it is our responsibility to care and watch over one another
peak escarp
ah
cosmic crest
ALL human lives particularly, even criminals
peak escarp
@real needle that's why Moira is a complicated character
more complicated than just "evil scientist"
real needle
Yeah she’s one of my favorites even if she is evil she has one of the best voice actors ever imo which makes her even better as a character
I like all of the Scientist’s back stories they’re all pretty deep.
frosty shell
what is the source of confirmation that the snipers/assassins are genetically modified in Retribution?
just curious because I can't remember it
cosmic crest
Do we think that with Talons help she is able to experiment on humans? They clearly are not beneath kidnapping.
real needle
Don’t the assassins use Tracers chronoaccelerater tech?
peak escarp
Enforcer and Heavy Assault are specifically listed as having genetic enhancement
but the Assassins and Snipers probably do as well (the Sniper appears with smoke that the characters comment on)
real needle
They said the snipers have really good tech as well that enhanced their abilities
Hmm interesting although that leads me to ask does that mean like Widow isn’t really unique as a character as there could be other genetically enhanced people like her?
peak escarp
probably
cosmic crest
There are likely other experiments like her, Maybe Talon has some involvement with human trafficking
peak escarp
they pose as a mercenary company to recruit people desperate for money or purpose
cosmic crest
I would really like to know who was responsible for Widow's reconditioning, they must be a truly twisted individual.
real needle
I feel like Moria was involved in some way
cosmic crest
I don't think so, the timeline doesn't match up
peak escarp
she could have been involved, but only for the genetic element
real needle
Maybe she wasn’t the one who actually like transformed her but she made like the sryum or whatever that changed her
peak escarp
the mental condition would have been someone else
real needle
I partly say that because in the origin story short I believe it looked like she was working on a syrum that turned a bunny purple (Morias)
hallow grove
don't know why she would need to turn things purple but
real needle
Lol
real needle
Lemme rewatch it I maybe just confused
hallow grove
oh yeah one of her sprays is her petting a white bunny
hallow grove
I have it equipped
peak escarp
but still, not purple
real needle
Yeah you right I’m thinking about something else
Prob a spray of hers
Or I’m just slow
peak escarp
she does experiment on her arm, which turns purple/blue
real needle
She does it to a frog as well
peak escarp
(her right arm, which leads me to believe she's a lefty)
real needle
Rise of the left hands
cosmic crest
It's possible her eye is scarred also, since her base skin has her wearing an eye piece
real needle
The bunny is sweating lol
cosmic crest
It could just be Oasis fashion though
cosmic crest
Would be rather useless, since she only has it on the one eye
hallow grove
maybe she only damaged one eye
real needle
Yeah but it could explain why one eye is red and while the other is blue being a genetic color
hallow grove
maybe she only damaged one eye
real needle
Wdym
cosmic crest
I think her eye might be scarred like her arm
peak escarp
real needle
I'll try looking at her bio if it says anything about it
peak escarp
based on the spray of her as child, her eyes have always been like that
real needle
That works too
peak escarp
her heterochromia may have inspired her interest in genetics
real needle
the three eyed fish
cosmic crest
Is that a real thing?
peak escarp
it's from Archives
real needle
It's one of her spray from archives
peak escarp
the sprays from Archives are probably canon
cosmic crest
No, I mean having eyes be different colours.
peak escarp
unlike the halloween sprays of the kids dressed up as the heroes
it's less common in humans, but it does happen
cosmic crest
I think you are right then
peak escarp
I have a type of heterochromia called central heterochromia, where the outer ring of my irises are green but the inner ring is brown
Moira's eyes are like this
real needle
Where is Oasis irl?
peak escarp
Iraq
real needle
Ok I've been trying to figure that out for awhile
real needle
Could the eye piece for Moria actually be more her love for masquerade
cosmic crest
Possibly, we can't say for sure
peak escarp
of all the support heroes, only Mercy and Baptiste are certified to do any actual medicine
cosmic crest
Moira was a medic on the Venice mission
peak escarp
doesn't mean she's a certified medical doctor
just means she knows how to use biotic tech
cosmic crest
I guess so
peak escarp
Ana - former sniper, just uses biotic gun ❌
Baptiste - combat medic, works in a clinic ⭕
Brigitte - squire to Reinhardt, knows first aid ❌
Lucio - DJ and freedom fighter, heals because reasons?? ❌
Mercy - Ph.D and MD, was head of surgery ⭕
Moira - Ph.D in genetics ❌
Zenyatta - monk that heals somehow (spiritual healing? psychological healing? idk) ❌
(seriously, Lucio has no lore reason for being a support hero)
valid mason
Sym has no lore really either. We know barley about her. She don’t have an animated short, just a comic I think
It’s unknown how she lost her arm
peak escarp
could have been part of her training
valid mason
Yeah
peak escarp
Ana got her cybernetic eye to improve her ability as a sniper
not unrealistic that Symmetra was given the arm to aid in her hard-light manipulation
valid mason
I think bob may be behind mcrees arm, just because in reunion Ashe says I’ll have bob rip off your other arm
And yeah it does make sense
We do see her making the diamond/kite shaped with that arm
peak escarp
it wasn't Bob, the writers cleared that up
cosmic crest
I think all light architects have cybernetic arms
valid mason
Also anybody want to talk about the new in game interaction lines
Winston and hammond
Mercy and genji
And widow maker and reaper
valid mason
Widow maker and reaper one is interesting
They talk about sombra
Wish echo had interactions tbh
Maybe just with mcree
Talking about how he ditched her in reunion or why
peak escarp
she'll get some eventually
valid mason
Or asking if he got done with his business
Yeah she will
You think she will get an epic or legendary skin with the anniversary event or not
peak escarp
maybe
valid mason
Let’s get back to lore
peak escarp
it's hard to tell who will get skins each event
valid mason
Is it just me or is it weird hanzo didn’t know about genji or something. Because during the black watch gameplay, in the final cutscene you can see a clear image of genji in a news paper.
peak escarp
Hanzo thought his brother was dead
peak escarp
he didn't connect Genji to that cyborg that got busted
valid mason
Ye
peak escarp
since I assume no names were published except maybe Reyes
valid mason
He probably will soon tho
Possibly moira
Actually mcree might be in there
Ye
Wait
So
In lore mercy left overwatch right?
peak escarp
yes
valid mason
And she even has an in game voice line saying maybe it’s best if it stays shutdown
peak escarp
she didn't like what it had turned into
valid mason
So why the heck is she in zero hour?
peak escarp
read Valkyrie
peak escarp
the gist is, Ana convinced her that all the problematic parts of Overwatch (i.e. Ana, Jack and Gabe) were gone, and Winston's new Overwatch was a chance to do things right this time
worthy rose
Soldier and Reaper had a fight correct?
worthy rose
And that’s how it tore apart?
cosmic crest
How what tore apart?
worthy rose
Overwatch
valid mason
They had another fight in a comic
worthy rose
Like the team in general
valid mason
And Ana saw reapers face
worthy rose
Ik
valid mason
But we didn’t
cosmic crest
OW was already crumbling, the attack on their HQ was the final nail in the coffin
cosmic crest
I don't think we know, perhaps he has his own business
worthy rose
That’s what he literally said lol
cosmic crest
Been a while since I watched Reunion
valid mason
I don’t think he refused
warm seal
Why is McCree all about justice anyway? He was a criminal in Ashe's gang before being blackmailed into Blackwatch, did he just have a change of heart?
valid mason
And mcree talked about his business
worthy rose
I have my own business to attend to
valid mason
Yeah
peak escarp
McCree is just trying to make up for his shady past
valid mason
I believe he may join and have a part of the story in OW 2
worthy rose
This is why he’s my main I love Mcree mane
valid mason
He just didn’t come for zero hour
valid mason
I’m actually trying to decide rather I should stay as a genji main or switch to echo
I do good at echo
worthy rose
Echo is meta
valid mason
And I have more fun playing her
worthy rose
Who are you better with
valid mason
I was playing reaper in skirmish waiting for a comp thing
warm seal
As for what I saw about how most healers in this game shouldn't be healers... Moira's PhD in genetics helped her with research on regenerating and degenerating cellular structure, didn't it?
valid mason
And 2 focusing breaks shredded me to death
worthy rose
Reaper is good too but his range bad
worthy rose
@warm seal yes
warm seal
Echo needs to be louder
worthy rose
And nice Toph pfp btw
warm seal
Haha thanks
valid mason
It’s probably just an in game ability
peak escarp
knowing anatomy and how the human body works doesn't mean you'd be any good as a medical doctor
valid mason
And not actually in the lore
worthy rose
Lemme whip out the Sokka pfp
warm seal
Her tri bolts should have less ammo too, tbh
valid mason
I say lucio can’t heal or boost
worthy rose
YESSS
worthy rose
Lucio is actually funny as heck to me lol everyone else is trained in healing and stuff and he’s just a DJ
valid mason
This music gonna patch you up cause physics
cosmic crest
It's not like we have any Lucio lore to confirm that
feral mauve
sockuh
valid mason
Nah zen aint a trained healer @worthy rose
feral mauve
he is a monk who has studied the ball
valid mason
Experience my balls
feral mauve
his fat fucking balls heal
worthy rose
but like he’s a monk he should have somewhat of a healing technique
worthy rose
LMAO
valid mason
Yeah
peak escarp
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
valid mason
Meditating under a waterfall for 20 minutes
peak escarp
Zenyatta does heal somehow
valid mason
Her health kits makes sense
worthy rose
Wasn’t Brig Torb’s daughter and Rein took her in and trained her?
worthy rose
oh ok
valid mason
Reinhardt names brig
worthy rose
O
valid mason
And was her godfather
valid mason
Ana’s heroes of the storm line is I shoot people to heal them
peak escarp
Kaze, this is a serious channel
valid mason
The wonders of modern medicine
worthy rose
oh sorry ;-;
valid mason
She makes no sense
Just some lore to explain the abilities would be good
It don’t have to make sense
peak escarp
Ana shoots healing darts
valid mason
It’s a fictional universe
worthy rose
How did she go from like one of the best military snipers to shooting hero darts
valid mason
Just has to be explained
peak escarp
she swaps them out for damaging darts when she shoots enemies
valid mason
Yes
worthy rose
oh
worthy rose
that fast?
valid mason
Because she shoots darts that heal and damage enemies
No animation shows her changing it
And there’s no evidence to prove it
peak escarp
look at Old Soldiers
worthy rose
yes
valid mason
This is the final thing I have to say
worthy rose
o_o
valid mason
How does genji know Orissa?
warm seal
How do ally shots go through forcefields, but enemy shots don't
valid mason
Genji says, Orissa. The more I see you the more you seem to know
peak escarp
valid mason
Well it don’t make sense
cosmic crest
I thought maybe Ana's darts contained a sort of super bacteria that encouraged cell regeneration on targets with specified genetics and rapidly decays the bodies of others.
worthy rose
Oh I actually have that Ana skin
peak escarp
she swaps out different darts for different targets
warm seal
Shrike
valid mason
I bought legends for 20 bucks during christmas
worthy rose
He says it’s highhh tide instead
worthy rose
?
peak escarp
Genji hasn't met Orisa yet
worthy rose
I don’t get what I did wrong
valid mason
There’s no lore saying genji has met Orissa
peak escarp
but they might meet in the future
valid mason
Okay so it’s just an in game line
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
Yes
valid mason
Cause in game it’s not canon
peak escarp
a lot of the in game lines are hypothetical
peak escarp
it's what they might say if they met
worthy rose
lucio simps over d.va in one of the voice lines
cya
oh yeah another question
what is the story of roadhog
@peak escarp
peak escarp
he was a farmer in the outback of Australia when the government gave land to the omnics post-Crisis, displacing him and others
they formed the Australian Liberation Front and fought back against the omnics, eventually detonating the omnium there and irradiating the outback
valid mason
Enter junkertown
peak escarp
Roadhog worked as an enforcer for the Junkertown Queen, got kicked out (we don't know why), and then ended up joining Junkrat as his bodyguard
worthy rose
oooo
valid mason
We see them meet in a comic
peak escarp
the comic Wasted Land shows how they met
worthy rose
ok
I have to start reading the comics
I would really enjoy if this because a full animated series
peak escarp
and you can see them trying to get back into Junkertown in "Junkertown: The Plan"
cosmic crest
Still no word on that "treasure" Junkrat found
peak escarp
!!loreguide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
worthy rose
ty
peak escarp
here's the important stuff
worthy rose
where do I start
peak escarp
watch the shorts, then check out the comics and short stories listed here
worthy rose
ok
cosmic crest
Why was Genji moved from Blackwatch to Overwatch?
Perhaps he had a falling out with Reyes and requested a transfer.
peak escarp
because Blackwatch was suspended
I assume he still wanted to go on missions/be useful
cosmic crest
I've been listening to the Storm Rising interactions. He says that he does not speak to his old teammates
worthy rose
The Honor and Glory Short is so sad
hoary condor
Was Genji deployed to Blackwatch before it disbanded?
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
@peak escarp finally finished all the shorts
peak escarp
nice
worthy rose
now to the comics
hoary condor
I watched a 1hour 50 minutes compilation of the overwatch shorts twice xD
worthy rose
Lol
peak escarp
we'll be here if you have any questions/thoughts
peak escarp
it's a bit slow now, but it picks up when there's new stuff to discuss
worthy rose
ah
worthy rose
chat is really dead rn
worthy rose
Does anyone know what happened to Lucio
grand wedge
WHat do you mean?
pliant sparrow
As in at the end of the Rio gameplay we saw?
grand wedge
Just a placeholder for the final cinematic
Jeff said : spoiler alert, Lucio doesn’t die
worthy rose
@pliant sparrow yes
shell jay
wait I never saw the gameplay wtf happened to my boy lucio 🥺
peak escarp
in the OW2 demo
the ending cinematic made it seem like he might not escape
but it was just a placeholder
woeful path
k
peak escarp
this is the lore discussion channel
barren musk
do you guys think blizzard will hold a virtual blizcon this year?
i wonder how much more ow2 news we'll get this year
peak escarp
it's still too early to say
but I would hope we can go back to in-person events by November
lavish elm
Any hero of numbani speculation
peak escarp
we know it covers Efi creating Orisa, and somehow Lucio will be involved
grand wedge
The synopsis said she was suppose to fly to Rio to see a Lucio concert - but Doomfist attacked thee airport
cosmic crest
Do we know how long it will be?
grand wedge
304 pages
cosmic crest
I hope it does well so they will make more
limpid agate
Release date is June 2nd
grand wedge
Hope it won't be delayed...
limpid agate
Its a digital release
Of a book, which is also produced digitally
I would be very surprised if it is delayed
grand wedge
I mean, I preordered it a while ago - and it's not yet available in preorder in my country for the digital one so....
cosmic crest
"All characters are black" lol, why does it matter?
cosmic crest
A bit weird, but alright
I guess you wouldn't be able to tell if it's a book, but it still sounds weird
peak escarp
I remember that being a selling point about Black Panther
some people care too much about it
worthy rose
has a greek hero ever been mentioned in the lore of ow?
cosmic crest
I don't think so
cosmic crest
They should make one, greek mythology is a gold mine for creativity
grand wedge
The only greek character is Ioannidis - the archeologist that is supervising the Illios dig site
valid mason
We do see a statue of the war of god ares in a control point map I believe. On ilois
peak escarp
aren't Greek mytholgy-based characters a bit cliche by this point?
frosty shell
and we already have Pharah for the "inspired more by ancient culture than present culture" thing
worthy rose
@peak escarp I agree
i guess, but they dont have to just go by mytholog
y
yeah thats what we are known for, but we have a lot of different things
limpid agate
I think if you want a Greek Hero, we need to see some Greek characters first
worthy rose
i guess
but they can have some greek mythology abilities, but they can be a modern "god" or smth
frosty shell
it'd be a good challenge to make a greek hero with as little connection to greek mythology as possible
limpid agate
The only Greek characters I can think of in media
That aren't literally gods or mythological characters
Are Elektra from Marvel
And Sophita's whole family in Soul Calibur
And Sophita's whole family is still still very Greek Mythology based
peak escarp
we'd all love heroes that represent our culture
worthy rose
you ain't wrong
and honestly seems pretty weird that hasn't been one already
like the ares one being rumored for so long
peak escarp
for the longest time I thought "Ares" was a parody of hero leaks
but people were actually serious about it
limpid agate
During the Christmas stream in 2017
Jeff just randomly said the word
orca
killer whale
gratouitous
Which gives you
Nothing
He just said it to fuck with people.
But people worked really really hard to find their stretch
And they decided that the last letter of every word was a clue for a greek hero 100% thanks Sombra
peak escarp
they said it was an acronym from the last letters of those words
that's not how acronyms work
worthy rose
But now would have been pretty awesome
limpid agate
And genuinely believed
peak escarp
nobody ever uses the last letters for acronyms
worthy rose
Imagine a spartan robot warrior
limpid agate
nobody ever uses the last letters for acronyms
That was the solution for a mystery I read recently, but that's off topic
peak escarp
there have been some pretty odd "theories" in the community, but this one takes the cake
cosmic crest
Does Widow currently live in Chateau Guiard? I heard somewhere that was true
Idk why it would be true tbh
peak escarp
I think she does
cosmic crest
I have several questions now
peak escarp
Château Guillard is located near Annecy in southeastern France. For hundreds of years, it was the estate of the influential Guillard family, until it gradually fell into disrepair after the family’s power waned in the decades after the French Revolution. Recently, the château has found a new owner: the Talon agent Widowmaker, who has returned to her family’s ancestral home.
real needle
So she does live there
cosmic crest
I can assume that Talon is using it's influence to make sure she isn't found out
peak escarp
the map has scaffolding and paint cans everywhere, like she's redecorating
and her wedding photo is up everywhere
she seems to be going under the name "Danielle Guillard"
cosmic crest
You would think they would keep her closer to them though
peak escarp
cosmic crest
considering her origin
peak escarp
maybe they have enough confidence in her conditioning that they don't need to keep an eye on her 24/7
real needle
I mean also would anyone have reason to come after her?
cosmic crest
If she went anywhere in public she would be recognised immediately, blue skin and all.
peak escarp
idk
pliant sparrow
Depends if that was released to the public
peak escarp
she seems to be taking a public flight in that email
if it was Talon, why use a fake name?
fathom tartan
Is there a official body count for widow
pliant sparrow
No
fathom tartan
The fact you just said no is very disappointing
What range do you think it would be
peak escarp
a lot
fathom tartan
How many years has she worked for talon
cosmic crest
5-6 ish
peak escarp
yeah about that
she was first active a bit before her duel with Ana
at that point she was still "Talon's new sniper"
fathom tartan
Huh
young knoll
since Reaper is one of the bigshots in Talon (iirc), why does he still go on missions?
peak escarp
if you want something done right . . .
fathom tartan
From what I think or can assume widow's ow kill count is higher than reaper's
Witch I find funny
young knoll
well, I guess, but it seems like it would be a bit of a risk nonetheless for the organization
cosmic crest
Doubtfull, Reaper's whole MO is that he kills OW agents
fathom tartan
Yeah but name one ow member reaper has killed
peak escarp
Reaper also know he's basically unkillable, and one of Talon's deadliest assets
cosmic crest
He's killed many less important agents off screen
peak escarp
@fathom tartan name one OW member Widowmaker has killed (besides Gerard)?
young knoll
is he? didn't the tesla gun hurt him, and some other stuff?
how hard to kill is he, actually?
do we have a good idea?
fathom tartan
Well she took out ana's eye being way more effective than reaper was
He even got apprehended by ana
Reaper just seems alot less effective
young knoll
does he not consider Ana a threat?
fathom tartan
If he wants to kill ow members he's had the chance
peak escarp
he could have killed Jack in Old Soldiers
instead he shot him in the back and decided to gloat over him
and monologue
like a villain
fathom tartan
Widow has been way more effective to tasks she's been sent on
peak escarp
Widow isn't a drama queen
fathom tartan
Then again widow isn't help back by emotions
young knoll
so is Reaper overconfident then?
fathom tartan
This is funny
young knoll
or was he not really trying to kill him?
peak escarp
probably a bit of both
young knoll
well, I would not say Reaper is a comedian, but I suppose there is a bit of comparison to be made there
peak escarp
he didn't feel threatened by Jack or Ana, and held back against them so he could have his little moment
also based on their history I don't think he really wants to hurt Ana
fathom tartan
If widow was sent there wouldn't of been a issue they would be gone
peak escarp
probably
young knoll
did Doomfist join Talon because they had his goals, or does Talon have Doomfist's goals?
fathom tartan
Both
peak escarp
Talon has Doomfist's goals
before Doomfist took charge, Talon was mostly about making money
fathom tartan
Talon's majority is people furthering there own goals
cosmic crest
He has been a part of Talon the longest right?
fathom tartan
With exceptions of widow and kinda sigma
cosmic crest
Do we know who founded Talon?
peak escarp
they mention Maximilien being a Talon leader during the Retribution mission
young knoll
I wonder how Max feels about Talon trying to pit humanity against the Omnics
peak escarp
no, we don't know much about Talon's beginnings
or even how long they've been around
@young knoll in the OW2 gameplay trailer Maximilien seems to be hesitating
fathom tartan
Talon seems as old or even older than ow
peak escarp
we can hear him in a voiceover saying "I can't do this"
to which Doomfist answers "You made your choice. No one can stop us."
we don't know the full story on that, but it seems interesting to me
fathom tartan
Do you think anyone may be scared at talon when they find out ow has a bastion unit
young knoll
I doubt they would be afraid of a single Bastion unit
Reinhardt was destroying dozens at a time
peak escarp
yeah
cosmic crest
I once had an idea (not really a theory cus there is no evidence) that OW was always meant to fall and Talon was created to bring it down, no one in Talon or OW knows this though.
fathom tartan
Bastion units have been seen as the most deadly omnic in the crisis
young knoll
It looked to me that the ORs were more of a threat
don't remember what number they were
fathom tartan
Yes more of a threat but not the most deadly
young knoll
well, we don't know too much about the units that were fielded
those just seem to be the more common ones
fathom tartan
If you look a the bastion RIP victory pose is says there used as a scaring tool
young knoll
well, I don't imagine minigun wielding giant robots are exactly comforting for the average dude to fight
but, again, the Crusaders were absolutely annihilating them without much effort
fathom tartan
Even Reinhardt someone who has killed dozens at a time notes to be on guard in uprising
young knoll
well, not saying being outnumbered is good
but that the bastions don't, at least a lot of the time, seem to be much of a big deal, unless in numbers
and even still, it looked to me like the tide only really started turning with the ORs
fathom tartan
Do you think rein (if the other crusaders are dead) visit the old crusaders graves
peak escarp
Rein visited Balderich's "grave" in Honor and Glory
cosmic crest
Seems odd that they would leave his corpse there
fathom tartan
Yeah kinda
cosmic crest
He is in the same position he died in
fathom tartan
Yeah
fathom tartan
Wait
young knoll
one would think they would not just leave him there
peak escarp
it was in the middle of a war
fathom tartan
In the eichenwald payload are they destroying the armor
peak escarp
it was probably still too dangerous to retrieve the body
real needle
They’re retrieving the armor on the payload map
peak escarp
idk
cosmic crest
During the crisis it was omnic infested teritory, but after it ended you'd think they would go back and give him a proper burial.
Perhaps there was a consensus that it would be more honarable to leave him there
fathom tartan
Okay so what I can tell the payload maps are story based I think some of them are ow missons
real needle
Well not all of them have missions
fathom tartan
Like on kingsrow ow is deffeneding
peak escarp
most of them have a story behind them
cosmic crest
payload maps are the largest, so they were better for PvE missions
real needle
He’s referring to the maps having purpose or like they’re own little story
peak escarp
koth maps don't really have stories, they're more just locations to show off
real needle
I believe every payload map has a story
cosmic crest
not yet anyway
fathom tartan
Mabey rein asked for them to give his mentor a proper burial
real needle
Although idk about numbani
young knoll
monks*
real needle
Numbani used to be about doomfists gauntlet
fathom tartan
Numbani used to be doomfist but now we dont know
peak escarp
Numbani is escorting a new exhibit to the Numbani Heritage Museum
used to be the Doomfist, now it's a generic package
real needle
What about Blizzard world now that I think about it
young knoll
just shameless plugging
fathom tartan
Blizzard world is just a cool map
peak escarp
theme park parade?
cosmic crest
Blizzard world is my least favourite map
real needle
I swear there was something in the payload
cosmic crest
Not fun to play on, and has no lore
fathom tartan
It's a crown
real needle
It’s just showing off blizzards other games
cosmic crest
I'm also not a Blizzard fan so I have that bias too
fathom tartan
I only play ow and when I was smol child I played diablo
young knoll
wanted to get into Heroes of the Storm
real needle
Does Tracer not visit Emily as much? Lore wise that is. I know she hangs out with her during the holidays but that’s the only time they seem to talk about them together
cosmic crest
She is an outlaw now, so probably not
fathom tartan
Well before the reboot of ow they seemed to live together
I'm kinda worried tho
Do they take emily with them or what
cosmic crest
I doubt that
fathom tartan
She could be questioned and interrogated and even assassinated
real needle
That still confuses me I thought Ow disbanded but the heroes never were considered illegal or outlaws. I understand Cree and soldiers because they’re vigilantes
fathom tartan
No ow actives is illegal
young knoll
well, they probably are now after what happened in Paris
real needle
They don’t care lol and who’s gonna stop them they made it clear they don’t care they’re going to help people even if it means breaking the Petra act
young knoll
well, I am sure the world has some people that could catch them
Winston might be
difficult
cosmic crest
The law is the law, the government will act on it
fathom tartan
Mcree and soidler are outlawed because there vigilantes
real needle
I think it’s likely they’ll be pardoned
young knoll
and the rest have probably broken the Petra act as of Paris
maybe eventually
but I doubt as of right now
fathom tartan
They could of probably did loop hole by not calling themselves ow
real needle
It makes sense because the armies didn’t stand a chance against Null
young knoll
might have changed some over time
probably have a lot of the weapons Overwatch developed
cosmic crest
@fathom tartan They are still former OW agents, the Petras act applies to them
peak escarp
they probably weren't charged with anything when the Petras Act happened
just told that any future Overwatch activity was illegal
cosmic crest
She wasn't an agent, so the act might not apply to her?
fathom tartan
Wait
peak escarp
Ecopoint was part of Overwatch
fathom tartan
Is mei a outlaw anyway because she was a active ow member after the Petras act
real needle
She was assumed dead
fathom tartan
Oh
real needle
Along with her team
peak escarp
she would be after Zero Hour
fathom tartan
Yeah
peak escarp
yeah
young knoll
well, I would think that the Petras act probably applies to anybody trying to make an Overwatch like organization
Talon probably is illegal purely on those grounds as well, aside from the other things it does
real needle
I remember the message Athena said but I wish we had the actual document for it
trail cargo
I wonder what happend to New Zealand, would love to know
real needle
Did talon know that Null was going to strike so when they infiltrated Watchpoint they were trying to eliminate the remaining agents so they couldn’t fight?
peak escarp
Talon and Null Sector seem to be working together
taking out Overwatch would be doing Null Sector a favor
cosmic crest
I think Reaper wanted the agent list from Wiinston for his own gain
young knoll
isn't Talon's goals oppositional to Null Sector's?
peak escarp
Talon/Doomfist wants to push human progress through conflict
young knoll
I can see why Null Sector would want to get rid of Overwatch, but doesn't Talon basically want humanity to win?
peak escarp
Null Sector is providing that conflict
young knoll
does Null Sector not know Talon's real goals then?
cosmic crest
In uprising it's mentioned that Null Sector are extremists that want rights for omnics, so they weren't nececarily under the "destroy all humans" mentality, now though... they may think differently
young knoll
does anyone control the Omnics that are frequently attacking the nations?
like another God program?
fathom tartan
:(
peak escarp
probably not
real needle
another god program Was there one in the first place?
cosmic crest
Null Sector probably has an inteligent force behind it
fathom tartan
I kinda hope Winston dosent figer out reaper is Reyes he'll get super sad
peak escarp
the only "god program" we know of is Anubis
cosmic crest
Why Winston specifically?
real needle
It's gonna happen no matter what and he maybe already know
fathom tartan
Because he sees family in ow
peak escarp
he doesn't know yet
cosmic crest
Also, didn't Jack and Ana tell Mercy about Reaper? And she's with Neo OW now, so they should all know if that's the case.
peak escarp
they did tell her
young knoll
so why do some of the Omnics made by the Omniums attack people, and others try to integrate?
peak escarp
Mercy might not tell them though
fathom tartan
Winston gonna be sad
real needle
I don't think Mercy is inclined to tell them
cosmic crest
Why wouldn't she?
fathom tartan
I'm sure it's just gonna be upsetting to tracer
young knoll
do the ones made by the Omniums to attack people not have free will like the other Omnics?
real needle
Did tracer have many bonds with reyes?
fathom tartan
@cosmic crest ignorance is bliss
cosmic crest
It's integeral information about their enemy, it would be wrong not to tell them
fathom tartan
But would it not also be wrong to tell them something they would put them in emotional distress
cosmic crest
Plus, it may already be known that Reyes betrayed OW
real needle
Then we have sombra who's all knowing lol
fathom tartan
I hope mei and mercy get along
real needle
they probably will
cosmic crest
I don't see why they wouldn't
real needle
Ig they get along very well
fathom tartan
Yeah
Cute friendship
I hope
But then again meI might get along better with tracer
cosmic crest
Mercy might be able to learn something from her cryostasis reaserarch.
fathom tartan
Mei dosent like talking about that
She cryed when moria asked about her research
One of the saddest voice lines
I dont think moria meant to make her cry tho
peak escarp
probably not
real needle
Mei: Doctor Ziegler, I don't think you've aged a day since I last saw you.
Mercy: And neither have you, Mei.
peak escarp
Moira just wanted to know about their research
cosmic crest
She didn't mean to make her cry, but it shows how her mind is narrowed onto the scientific value of Mei's situation and didn't think about how it affected her emotionally
I think Moira lacks empathy
peak escarp
Mei's journal suggests her story is famous
real needle
it was after she left ecopoint
peak escarp
not them going into cryostasis
her being the only survivor
A little bit about me: my name is Mei (yes, that Mei!),
fathom tartan
So she told people about her story
real needle
Yes
peak escarp
"that Mei" makes me think there have been news reports about Meiling Zhou, the miraculous survivor of the long thought dead Ecopoint team
fathom tartan
Okay so she was in Antarctica correct
real needle
yes
fathom tartan
Okay
Unless she went badass walk on water by freezing it moment and came into Cannada like jesus then how did she get to mainland
peak escarp
she walked to another base and caught a ship back to civilization
there are dozens of research stations and bases on Antarctica
young knoll
yeah, there are likely more bases there in the future
fathom tartan
Yeah
young knoll
might even be populated, come to think of it
cosmic crest
I assumed Winston and Tracer resuced her
fathom tartan
So do we know what the giant hole is in earth
real needle
?
cosmic crest
What giant hole?
real needle
prob from war
fathom tartan
If you look into the telescope in horizon
peak escarp
fathom tartan
There the yellow
young knoll
are those craters, or cities?
fathom tartan
What is the yellow
peak escarp
could be lights around the city?
peak escarp
that matches with the location of Murcia, Spain
fathom tartan
Why a circle
peak escarp
they might have built walls around cities during the crisis
young knoll
why not barriers
fathom tartan
Dang it
peak escarp
you would typically put lights on walls so you can see people trying to go over them
fathom tartan
When I get home I'll look at horizon
young knoll
I wonder how big shields and barriers can be made?
fathom tartan
Shh
young knoll
like, could you cover a whole city with them?
cosmic crest
"We are going to build a wall, and make the omnics pay for it!"
young knoll
I think they were shut down before it happened
peak escarp
they made promises they couldn't deliver on, and made off with people's money
young knoll
still, I bet the people that worked on it felt a perverse sense of pride
fathom tartan
Oh
worthy rose
Entrance
young knoll
"you know those killer sentient robots? I built those!"
worthy rose
?
fathom tartan
Do you think mercy and other ow members be hesitant to let bastion join
worthy rose
I would be too
young knoll
maybe not?
worthy rose
But Torb took him in so
young knoll
they seem progressive on Omnic acceptance
worthy rose
I don’t think so
fathom tartan
Torb would probably stand up for him
worthy rose
Yes
peak escarp
they'd probably trust Torbjorn if he vouched for Bastion
cosmic crest
Now that I think about it, how does Rein feel about omnics?
fathom tartan
The term still applies
worthy rose
What is your favorite short?