he's just an emote
#lore-discussion
grand wedge
I guess they didn't put the cinematics in the right order on the OW2 timeline then? Because they put the museum fight way after Alive....
atomic cosmos
huh they update the OW2 website ?
grand wedge
But with Tracer dialogue in Alive, it sounds like they both fought before....
I mean, the timeline is the same
but since we were talking about the order of the shorts
I went and check
dark onyx
@grand wedge Where can I find that story?
worthy rose
to be fair though
dark onyx
thank u
grand wedge
it's because in Alvie, Tracer says "Trying to crash another party Love?"
implying she did encounter WIdow before
worthy rose
its weird cause in both they sound like they have fought before
grand wedge
Yeah....
I was also thinking if the museum happened before Doomfist broke out of prison - like if they would try to get his gauntlet back before he got out
But if they put Alive before the Museum, Infiltration is likely after both those events, so Doomfist escaped after.
limpid agate
@grand wedge It was suggested that Alive/Recall/Dragons/Hero all happen around the same time
As well as things like Rise and Shine
WYLB was 3 days later or something like that
I have 2 theories for "Trying to crash another party Love?"
grand wedge
Oh, nice
limpid agate
1 - They had met before, back when OW was still operational.
2 - The writers didn't think about it as a big universe at that point, they were just making cool shorts.
grand wedge
I feel like the second one is more likely x)
reef gale
agree
limpid agate
!!loreText
twilit nacelleBOT
Short Stories:
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
News Reports:
Fading Glory; Jack Morrison: http://bit.ly/2f9TPq4
Experimental Weapon Stolen: http://bit.ly/2fMrKsj
Lucio's Synaesthesia World Tour: http://bit.ly/2flja2U
LumériCo: http://bit.ly/1XAJfd1
Overwatch is Back: http://bit.ly/1TAWebT
LumériCo Revealed: http://bit.ly/2e6P5oj
Portero Steps Down: http://bit.ly/2fk8Bes
Efi Oladele Interview: http://bit.ly/2miMZkT
Horizon Lunar Colony: http://bit.ly/2reMSKx
Attack on Helix: http://bit.ly/2tn45mk
Oslo Attack: https://bit.ly/2uHKXUr
Don Rumbotico: https://bit.ly/2VtzZKX
Documents:
Mei's Adventure: http://bit.ly/2fMxRg4
Torb's Letter: http://bit.ly/2HK4CWa
Venice Declassified: https://bit.ly/2Hs807B
Cuerva: https://bit.ly/2BHEqd9
Travel Guides:
Oasis: http://bit.ly/2iPTM4K
Paris: https://bit.ly/2GEyOoq
limpid agate
From Overwatch is Back
The Museum Heist happened the week the article was written, in universe
But the Mondatta assassination had already happened well before
Weeks if not months
reef gale
interesting
cosmic crest
But in Alive Tracer references seeing Widow before. Unless they met for the first time at some point we haven't seen.
atomic cosmos
okay maybe this is too far but
i think she said that because she think that assassin ( widow ) tried to cause another war
and party was like ummm '' peaceful days '' ?
cosmic crest
I doubt that, that would be really weird writing
atomic cosmos
yeah my bad
peak escarp
in general, the older lore sources are less reliable than the newer ones
particularly anything made before Fall 2016, when the decided to change direction with the lore
I try to reconcile the details between new lore and old lore, but if I can't I don't worry too much about it
(especially considering a few details have outright confirmed to be incorrect in older sources)
for example:
Morrison and his fellow augmented soldiers would soon put their abilities to use with the advent of the Omnic Crisis.```it was confirmed by Chu that the Fading Glory article was correct, that Jack enlisted before the Omnic Crisis - Jack's words to Tracer in Uprising can be chalked up to Jack being an unreliable narrator
cosmic crest
Stuff like that is unfortunate
pale sail
Dansk team leder efter 14-16 år 3.5+ support spillere DM for mere information
cosmic crest
My hope is that in OW 2, the hero missions won't all be available form the start but will have to be beaten and unlocked in subsequent order, kind of like a campaign.
cosmic crest
Would make the timeline a lot easier to track as well
peak escarp
I'm just hoping they put the timeline somewhere in the game
cosmic crest
maybe at least if they are all unlocked from the start, they are shown in chronological order
atomic cosmos
i don't think it will unlocked from the start if they want to put a story for the PVE
cosmic crest
What if you are with friends and they want to play a hero mission that you haven't unlocked yet?
That would be an issue
peak escarp
that's what I'm thinking
cosmic crest
It wouldn't matter to me, I'd probably play all the missions within a week of launch, but not everyone is that eager
Do we think we will still get news on OW 2 in November even though Blizcon is probably going to be cancelled?
cosmic crest
Either way, I hope they have something to show
cosmic crest
They should make more of those. It's not like they are particularly expensive.
peak escarp
they do take time/effort though
particularly if they want to do a skin challenge along with it
cosmic crest
I think the bakery in Dorado was Sombra's foster home
peak escarp
why?
cosmic crest
Explains why Alejandra knew where/who she was in Zarya's comic
peak escarp
Sombra could just be a friend of her mother's
limpid agate
We've seen Sombra's childhood
Also, the two would not have lived under the roof at the same time. Especially not post-transformation.
cosmic crest
There is a voice line where she says she visits there
It is of some significance to her clearly
cosmic crest
that would be boring though 😛
peak escarp
not everything has to be connected
worthy rose
is castillo in dorado
cosmic crest
I believe so
limpid agate
If not in, its the next immediate town.
cosmic crest
There is no "main character" in the lore, but if there was one, I think Sombra fits the bill pretty well since she kind of works as an extension of us fans, learning of all the details in the OW universe.
limpid agate
There is a main character
Her name is Tracer
Tracer and Winston are the main characters.
Or more specifically
The protagonist and deuteragonist.
cosmic crest
They certainly are prevalent, but I don't think referring to them as "main characters" is really fair in a universe with so many
The same way Iron man is not the main character of the MCU
peak escarp
the majority of the main story revolves around Tracer and Winston
and a lot of the main plot is told from Winston's point of view
limpid agate
Iron Man and Captain America are the main characters of the MCU though
cosmic crest
@limpid agate I wouldn't say that myself
limpid agate
Outside of detatched stories
The majority of the conjoined plot revolves around them
And they are the two who get some of the most screen time.
cosmic crest
I guess that's mostly accurate
limpid agate
Is that not what a main character is?
cosmic crest
I'm probably just biased since, while I like Tracer just fine, I don't think she is the most interesting character
peak escarp
I don't like her much either
lament prawn
i like her as a character (as i do all cheerful/positive characters) and especially her origin, i get why some people might find her voice or her gameplay annoying but i dont understand how a lot of people including my friends just outright hate her
peak escarp
she has flaws
I wouldn't call her a Mary Sue
her impulsiveness and cockiness leads to her making rookie mistakes
cosmic crest
Do we think Tracer, like other characters such as Pharah, aspired to join Overwatch at a young age? Perhaps she volunteered as a test pilot in order to work closer with Overwatch.
peak escarp
I'm beginning to think people around here don't know what a Mary Sue is
Tracer was already part of Overwatch when she volunteered for the Slipstream
limpid agate
The closest you have to a Mary Sue is arguably Winston. D.Va or Tracer are not.
Or other common examples like Mercy or Genji.
Which are also wrong.
cosmic crest
@peak escarp that couldn't be. If that was so, how was Pharah not able to join Overwatch when she is older than Tracer? I figured Tracer was able to get into OW at such a young age due to her unique abilities after the accident.
peak escarp
it had nothing to do with age
Pharah was never recruited by Overwatch
possibly because Ana didn't want them to
cosmic crest
Never heard that before
I thought it was more so because Overwatch had very high standards for personnel and only accepted those with experience, but I guess I was wrong.
peak escarp
Lena was an extremely talented young pilot
Lena Oxton (call sign: "Tracer") was the youngest person ever inducted into Overwatch's experimental flight program. Known for her fearless piloting skills, she was handpicked to test the prototype of a teleporting fighter, the Slipstream.
also Chu answered something on that topic on the old forums:
A: Age was definitely not the reason that Pharah wasn't offered Overwatch membership before it was shut down. As people have mentioned in the thread, Overwatch was more than willing to bring on talented people, regardless of their age.```I imagine that was why Pharah enlisted in the Egyptian army - to build up a resume impressive enough for Overwatch to recruit her
but because of Ana not wanting her to join, that invite never came
cosmic crest
I think Pharah and Ana have some issues to work out
peak escarp
indeed
cosmic crest
We don't know Ana's maiden name which makes me think perhaps Sam took her last name when they were married, would be somewhat progressive.
weak sapphire
the surname can be the father's last name
peak escarp
cosmic crest
well, that clears that up
peak escarp
it's possible that Fareeha took Amari as her last name after Ana's death, as a way to honour her
cosmic crest
That's another thing I think Pharah would hold against Ana, she didn't tell her that she was alive right away
worthy rose
i never knew symmetra was the first autistic playable video game character
peak escarp
I don't think she's the first
frosty shell
Didn't Chu say the world was the protagonist?
peak escarp
huh
ember pine
I imagine there's more autistic coded playable characters but it's rare that stuff actually gets confirmed
atomic cosmos
What if you are with friends and they want to play a hero mission that you haven't unlocked yet?
@cosmic crest do it like the old days ? play through your mission until reaching mission that you want to play with your friend ?
limpid agate
Yes. Efi does too.
fathom tartan
Somewhat strange
peak escarp
why strange?
limpid agate
Lots of people look up to Rein
ember pine
He's the world's grandpa
tawdry nebula
Hm
I wonder who the youngest hero in Overwatch is
is it D.va or Mei?
or Hammond
tawdry nebula
ohh that makes sense
Mei looks too young kinda
D.va for sure her age is teen/adult
worthy rose
mei is that old but looks so young because of cryostasis
tawdry nebula
so wait
It's about that animated short where she sleeps so many years
and then wakes up
grand wedge
Mei is 31 biogically
She didn't age in the 9 years she stayed in cryostisis
For the younger heroes, you have, indeed, Orisa, that is 1 month old, Hammond 14yo Dva 19 and Zenyatta 20
And Echo - that is probably between 20-15 yo but it's based on speculation and timeline
tawdry nebula
So if Orisa is 1 month old
does that mean she acts like a kid?
or is she like the opposite
cosmic crest
No she is an omnic
tawdry nebula
Yeah ik but her mindset I mean
grand wedge
No
Human brain isn't omnic brain
But she is learning
SHe make mistakes and will learn from them
grand wedge
Probably not - they don't have time to make shorts for a novel
THey'll keep animated short for Blizzcon and the likes
Since they are making shorts with in game models for each PVE missions on OW 2
iron plume
those would be different departments
cosmic crest
I think the next animated short will be related to OW 2 and will feature one or more of the new heroes.
iron plume
Shorts are Blizzard Animation, the in-game ones are internal
tawdry nebula
Like soujourn or however his name is called
grand wedge
Her name
iron plume
her
spiral yarrow
Her*
spiral yarrow
Wasnt she already confirmed?
grand wedge
Yes she is confirmed
spiral yarrow
For ow2 ofcourse
tawdry nebula
yeah ofc
grand wedge
Yes
iron plume
she's confirmed for a release with 2
spiral yarrow
Yay
iron plume
but we don't know if she's the only one
cosmic crest
The trailer specifically stated she would be, so yes
cosmic crest
I hope she will be the only new dps
tawdry nebula
but we have too much dps now
spiral yarrow
we need more supports
spiral yarrow
In ow2, will we see more of the battle of ow against talon? Or is it mainly focused on the new omnic crisis
tawdry nebula
both hopefully
grand wedge
But I hope we're gonna have more of everything, because whithout it, we will be only playing the same heroes again and again during the PVE missions
tawdry nebula
I acctually want to see how talon story will go on
spiral yarrow
I wanna know what really blew up the hq
tawdry nebula
since Doomfist will probably face war with Overwatch team
spiral yarrow
I always thought it was moira
tawdry nebula
I'm assuming Tracer is the main character in the story or is it Soldier
spiral yarrow
Cause she has talon connections
And someone found out
It does seem reasonable to me
grand wedge
Soldier is on his own side for now
tawdry nebula
nah acctually Tracer I believe
spiral yarrow
With ana
tawdry nebula
yeh
tawdry nebula
I'd say Winston, Tracer are main characters
spiral yarrow
Winston i hope for sure cause who doesnt love a giant scientist gorilla that can shoot electricity outta a diy cannon
Maybe sojourn, winston and a unreleased hero?
tawdry nebula
is Sojourn with overwatch team right?
grand wedge
Yes
spiral yarrow
As in, another founder? Like the guy that sits before reyes in the picture
grand wedge
She was a captain
spiral yarrow
Maybe liao
grand wedge
....
grand wedge
She is a scientist
spiral yarrow
Oh hol up
grand wedge
and we have her face
atomic cosmos
she was captain after reinhardt's forced retirement right ?
grand wedge
tawdry nebula
Does anyone know about the animated series of overwatch coming ?
atomic cosmos
i mean sojourn
spiral yarrow
But she could have played an important role
grand wedge
Sojourn wasn't a founder but joined Overwatch early
spiral yarrow
Hmm, i did see somewhere she was a founder. Must have read it wrong
atomic cosmos
on storm rising they talked about how different the feel when sojourn leading them
grand wedge
Because she wasn't leading this particular team
doesn't mean she wasn't a captain before
grand wedge
She joinedOverwatch in the first years, she is canadian a cyborg and was an Overwatch Captain (during Storm Rising)
atomic cosmos
unless they pulled another zen'd
where they didn't gave her lore until...something happened
grand wedge
And she is keeping a low profile in Canada
atomic cosmos
so we expect sojourn joined winston's OW when they doing mission in Canada ?
grand wedge
Somewhere along the way of the story mode probably
Or she may have answered the recall and join before that
We'll see
atomic cosmos
since she didn't appeared during zero hour i don't think she answer the recall
grand wedge
There are a lot of potential characters that could join/team up with Overwatch during missions without being part of Overwatch, so if everytime we get to a new location and we have a surprise addition like Lucio, it'll get boring
atomic cosmos
yeah it would be a predictable story
grand wedge
Yep
atomic cosmos
oh we're on south korea we expect hana will join and assist us
grand wedge
I mean, it is that predictalbe, because how would she join if not a mission like this?
atomic cosmos
ah
grand wedge
SHe has no tie with Overwatch at all (as far as we know)
atomic cosmos
and she is part of meka
grand wedge
So unless they add a full MEKA heroes...
atomic cosmos
it's either she tried to push OW off from getting involved with their military mission
or happily let OW help them
grand wedge
yeah
grand wedge
I really want to know how the world with react with Overwatch being vigilante right now
They are technically outlaws, so I want to see how that evolve
cosmic crest
I still don't know how Tracer hasn't been arrested yet
atomic cosmos
even we know tracer bringing her chronal accelerator for her daily use of life
reinhardt have his armor even we know he was forced retired
cosmic crest
what?
atomic cosmos
uhh i mean how did reinhardt still have his crusader armor after his forced retirement ?
did he stole it ?
cosmic crest
It belonged to him, he had it before he joined OW
atomic cosmos
so he have multiple crusader armor
cosmic crest
I mean, probably not?
atomic cosmos
oh
topaz grotto
the crusader armour wasnt property of OW, if anything it belonged to the german gov, and while he would hand over his OW colour scheme armour he would most likely have had the original armour from his crusader days
atomic cosmos
that could explain that
cosmic crest
Maybe Tracer IS an outlaw and doesn't live in Kings Row anymore
limpid agate
She lived with Emily until the Null Sector crusade
I don't think anyone is going home during the events of OW2
cosmic crest
One wonders how it hasn't been discovered that they are all based in Gibraltar
limpid agate
That will probably be a mission
cosmic crest
I was talking more about the government coming to arrest them, but now that I think about it there is nothing stopping Talon from attacking there either.
Maybe Gibraltar will be one of the last missions and they will have to abandon it.
peak escarp
I don't think the government wants to shut them down at this point
before Null Sector's attack the UN knew about their activity but didn't think Overwatch was worth pursuing
now that they're fighting back against Null Sector, I'm betting they're going to turn a blind eye (as long as things are going well)
cosmic crest
I can believe that after the invasion started they would turn a blind eye, but prior to it they probably should have done something. Violations aren't something that are ignored.
peak escarp
In its entirety, the UN's terse statement reads: "The United Nations has not authorized any Overwatch operations. The organization’s charter remains revoked." Further questions from this reporter were met with hostility or silence.
Such a short statement belies its astonishing truth: We have not seen the last of Overwatch. Being dismantled by the UN only drove them into the shadows.```Maybe there's someone in the UN that wants neo Overwatch to be a thing
peak escarp
it's possible
we've seen pretty positive reactions to Overwatch returning
the kids at Baptiste's clinic, the French cop, Olympia Shaw
solemn pike
who tf is olympia
peak escarp
most of the in-universe articles are written with Olympia on the byline
she's the default reporter
cosmic crest
Very Lois Lane esque
ember pine
I really want the missions to be from different perspectives. I’m dieing to know more about Reaper and what his motives are
broken oyster
Evil Man!
Let's hope there's more to it than that
It was also insane hearing reaper before he was changed in the archives event 2017
broken oyster
who remembers when talon was just reaper and Widowmaker
broken oyster
I still play as edgy grandpa. One of the greats rocking the pumpkin head skin
"The reaper comes from your souls!"
lavish coyote
gotta love that mariachi skin tho
atomic cosmos
@ember pine maybe there is few mission where we play as talon and we see OW2 story mode in their prospective
broken oyster
There could be two campaigns, one for overwatch and the other for talon. Like how transformers WFC did it
limpid agate
You would need a new enemy faction for Talon to shoot at
Overwatch is 10 people
That might be more likely for post launch content
fathom tartan
Will we still get archives missions revealing past missons and lore
limpid agate
Doubt it.
If we do, itll probably be in a larger size of post launch content
Or maybe something else
But the Archives event as it exists now, probably wont exist in OW2
limpid agate
They said not all events will return
Archives is the least likely, alongside Anniversary
fathom tartan
?
Why anniversary
A birthday is something to celebrate
I feel Halloween will stay Christmas and new years unsure
limpid agate
Let's say Overwatch 2 releases in literally any month other than May
worthy rose
haloween and christmas will most likely stay
the ones i would say have a chance of not staying would be archives
chinese new year would probs stay too
limpid agate
There is no way they are removing Lucioball either.
Its easily one of the most popular gamemodes.
cosmic crest
I hope they axe lunar new year
limpid agate
That's absurd.
frail lantern
How is it less important than the other events?
cosmic crest
Umm, it isn't
They have to axe at least 1 or 2 of them, I hope they do Lunar new year
frail lantern
where's a mod when you need one
night wedge
lol
lavish elm
Lunar new year easily is the one I would ask. Awful game modes and an event that only applies to certain world places
cosmic crest
Overwatch is a game that celebrates world cultures, it seems odd to devote an entire event to just one
peak escarp
Lunar New Year is celebrated by many cultures and countries, not just China
frail lantern
^
peak escarp
most east asian countries celebrate it
cosmic crest
Fair enough
peak escarp
Japan being an exception
ember pine
In my opinion lunar new year has the worst skins so I’m cool with axeing it if it means keeping the others
peak escarp
even if an event is retired, I doubt the skins would be retired as well
ember pine
Yeah I just mean there wouldn’t be new ones
cosmic crest
It would be a shame if they got rid of Archives, it's easily the best event
peak escarp
I could see Archives being expanded and added to OW2 as a bigger event/DLC
with some Omnic Crisis era missions
peak escarp
they were going to tell us about it at one point, but they decided to go a different direction with it
I hope we still get to learn more about it eventually
cosmic crest
I wish they never cancelled that graphic novel
cosmic crest
Probably
We haven't seen much of an intelligent force behind the crisis, mostly just Bastions and OR-14s.
I'd like to know who was responsible.
peak escarp
compare how Reinhardt looked in First Strike to how he looked in Honor and Glory
these are supposed to be around the same time
the art would have caused a lot of inaccuracies that the dev team would have had to explain or retcon
cosmic crest
You're probably right
worthy rose
some guy had a world day idea
i honestly do wish lunar new year would get axed for something like that
but i still like new years
cosmic crest
It would be awesome if they re-made the graphic novel
So it would better fit the established universe
limpid agate
They're not going to get rid of lunar new year.
Blizzard has been celebrating that as a major event for almost 2 decades now
Also, a significant, very very very significant, part of their audience is based in countries that does celebrate it
Being China and South Korea
cosmic crest
If it does stick around I hope they find ways to make it more interesting because I can't even remember what skins it gave us this year
muted pecan
Some of the skins they bring out are just bizarre
Lunar new year is probably my least favourite event
peak escarp
I like it better when they have themed skins
like the Three Kingdoms skins, or the 4 Symbols
muted pecan
Huh?
peak escarp
2019 had skins based off characters from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms
muted pecan
Idk what that is
limpid agate
Have you ever heard of Dynasty Warriors?
limpid agate
Romance of the Three Kingdoms is one of the most famous chinese stories. Dynasty Warriors is another popular video game series based on it.
limpid agate
All of the skins from 2019
peak escarp
2018 had skins based on the 4 Symbols of Chinese mythology
2017 had Journey to the West skins
I like themed skins more than just generic cultural references
muted pecan
I mean I’d probably understand the skins a bit more if they were like Greek mythology because everyone’s heard of that but I didn’t even know Chinese mythology existed until last year
peak escarp
well it's a good chance to learn
muted pecan
Nah I’m not really interested in it
frail lantern
¯_(ツ)_/¯
worthy rose
Where can I read more about gency? I only recently found out and it’s really wholesome
peak escarp
there isn't much to read - their relationship is just shown through their interactions in the game, particularly in the Storm Rising mission
so . . . watch some interactions videos?
worthy rose
oh I see, well thanks for that, I guess I’ll do some finding
prisma wren
wasnt there a new one added when echo was released?
peak escarp
a couple
it's still up in the air whether there's anything romantic going on between them
prisma wren
its still a better ship than some of the others going around
granite vector
I'm in the middle about gency.
peak escarp
I don't really care one way or the other, I just want Blizzard to make a statement on it, either confirm or deny
instead of all this non-committal teasing
ember pine
@worthy rose if you're looking for stuff that isn't canon check ao3 for fanfics
and yeah I didn't really ship it till storm rising but after seeing them work together I think they're a total power couple lol
worthy rose
👌 thanks man will take a look! tbh I think they are too they’re really wholesome xD
peak escarp
this isn't the place for that
Fanfiction is not canon and should not be discussed here.
limpid agate
@ember pine No Fanfiction, no advertising.
ember pine
Okay no prob won’t happens again
I’ll go over the rules and make sure I don’t post anything off topic again
barren musk
i have had an unnatural amount of hype for overwatch 2 and i think its affecting my health
ive already started saving money for it
atomic cosmos
you're saving for deluxe edition ?
barren musk
thats true yea
i really hope it does as well as ow 1
or better actually
i dont know what i would do with my life if it sucked
ember pine
same, I usually solo que and if missions go in like a specific order I imagine matching will take way longer if it isnt super popular
atomic cosmos
https://twitter.com/holiwhirl/status/1254490031240220674 uhh what is this
atomic cosmos
oh
cosmic crest
Pharah/Mercy is not a good ship. They have next to no connection in the lore and have no chemistry
ember pine
I mean I think that specific event was more for game play dynamic (with ship undertones?)
I think thats were the ship originated, people liked how the played togother so decided to ship them
cosmic crest
Very good combo in game, however, basing a ship on gameplay is rather silly
ember pine
yeah but I think most of the shipping side of fandom is silly. Most of the super popular ones have little to no actual reasoning behind them besides ' I like these two characters so I want to make them kiss'
worthy rose
its just a combination
atomic cosmos
yeah if people ship heroes based on their combo
then meaning zarya will be shipped with alot of heroes
ember pine
lol true
Hey so i'm curious about other people's opinions on this: do you think Ashe has albinism or the white hair/ red eyes is an aesthetic choice she uses colored contacts and hair dye for?
or is it just fantasy flare like widowmakers purple/blue skin and doesn't have a super clear explaination
atomic cosmos
i thought they explained why widow have purple/blue skin
due to alot of experiment done to her by talon for making her hearthbeat slower
ember pine
yeah it's explained but I would still call that fantasy flare cause it's not like..realistic
I think of it as similar to the shimada dragons, it's explained but still fantasy
I guess I'm just wondering if Ashe's look is based in like an actual condition or its just for cool factor
Cause most people with albinism have vision problems because of it and that generally doesn't go well with being a pseudo sniper lol
atomic cosmos
ashe look normal to me
worthy rose
people can just have white hair normally right
what if she just dyed it
but might be albino who knows
ember pine
yeah the hair could just be a really light blonde but she does have red eyes
atomic cosmos
her background show she born on wealthy family or royal family it's normal they have white hair right ?
grand wedge
Zarya is blonde but she dyes in pink
We don’t know what is behind Ashe eye and hair color because she was already like this as a kid
atomic cosmos
for unknown purpose i get it why she cut the hair but the dye ? no idea
ember pine
True her backstory shows her always having red eyes so they must be natural or she has been very dedicated to that aesthetic for a long time lol
pliant sparrow
Probably natural
She's likely not albino as albinism is linked to very poor eyesight
And I'm pretty sure they confirmed she wasn't
fathom tartan
She's likely not albino as albinism is linked to very poor eyesight
@Nope#1000 iv never heard that are you sure
cosmic crest
I've heard of that as well
fathom tartan
Unless there Is like something with white pigment In you eye for sight I'm unsure about that
Being albino just means your skin pigment is white
cosmic crest
I'm fairly certain the pigment isn't white, it appears that way because there is no pigment
iron plume
yes
same deal with the eyes, although IRL they're more like purple-ish blue rather than the red we see in Ashe
and it causes sight issues for the same reason, because pigment plays a role in that
pliant sparrow
Reduced, or lack of, melanin production 
peak escarp
she could be a designer baby
cosmic crest
Where did Sombra steal her translocator from?
grand wedge
Cybernetic eyes exist in the OW universe too
peak escarp
I doubt a child would have cybernetic eyes
@cosmic crest it's implied that Sombra created them from the same tech that Tracer uses for her chronal accelerator
cosmic crest
Oh, so she stole the tech for it, but made it herself? That's pretty cool
limpid agate
She has a little workshop for it in her Castillo home
cosmic crest
I still think she is the smartest hero, you don't have to agree ofc
worthy rose
she's clever but i would say smartest id say it would be someone like winston, hammond or moira
limpid agate
Its debatable but sure.
She is the smartest hacker in the universe at the very least.
worthy rose
yeah
limpid agate
There are a few hero options in that debate.
cosmic crest
She is so good at what she does Lynx in the Zarya comic thought she was a collective
limpid agate
I would say the contenders are Junkrat, Mei, Mercy, Moira, Sigma, Sombra, Torbjorn, Winston, Hammond.
Liao doesn't count because she isn't a hero, and is dead.
cosmic crest
What makes you say Junkrat?
limpid agate
He was raised in the post-apoctalyptic Junkertown
And yet he his still a mad genius
His stuff is made out of garbage
But its potent and plentiful
peak escarp
pretty much everyone thought Sombra was a collective
they thought she was like Anonymous
limpid agate
His intelligence outside bomb making is questionable
cosmic crest
agreeable
There are a lot of smart characters in OW but I'd say the smartest are Sombra, Winston and Moira in that order
iron plume
Picking Moira and leaving out Mercy?
peak escarp
if Moira was smarter, she wouldn't have gotten kicked out of the scientific community
she would have been smart enough to hide her unethical experiments
cosmic crest
I think she did hide them, but got found out
valid terrace
She essentially lied about her methods in her papers
Others were unable to duplicate her results with the methods given
And realized her true methods were unethical
cosmic crest
Having questionable ethics says nothing about her intelligence, just that she is malevolent
valid terrace
But she should have known the inevitable results of submitting her fake reports
Just keep it a secret or don’t do it
Or at least have your fake methods be more believable
Like experimenting on animals or something
midnight solstice
I mean, in the origin trailer, you can see she was experimenting on a rabbit.
cosmic crest
Experimenting on animals is normal for research
atomic cosmos
^
cosmic crest
She also experimented on herself however, which is VERY bad
atomic cosmos
rabbit and mice is common choice of most researcher
valid terrace
Ik but stating presumably human results as animals or something similar without confirming the new results is sloppy
Like if they react differently to the experiment but she didn’t check
atomic cosmos
like she quickly assumed her work is completely safe and she just immediately test it on herself ?
valid terrace
Well yeah but idk what the exact topic of the papers were
atomic cosmos
yeah...
valid terrace
Just that she lied about them to the scientific community
And that Overwatch had to shut her down for the nature of the experiments
midnight solstice
She does say she has no caution, but she was quite frankly risking her life to continue her research.
valid terrace
Ye
iron plume
Mercy did (somewhat arguably) more breakthrough work with (inarguably) better methods
midnight solstice
You're not wrong.
valid terrace
I would also say Mercy’s breakthrough was more significant
midnight solstice
Moira still had a significant breakthrough, but Mercy's was less risky and overall with more breakthrough.
pliant sparrow
Weren't they both in different fields though?
I'm pretty sure genetics is generally a more dangerous subject to experiment with than whatever it was mercy studied
barren musk
people dont mention that torbjorn is a genius too. engineering requires some heavy maths science and physics too.
grand wedge
The sniper riffle was indeed modified by Torbjorn and Angela was against the idea
woeful path
Ok
grand wedge
woeful path
Hmm
Who else is there
Tracers a pilot
Or was, and worked for overwatch as one
Reinhardt can throw fire
limpid agate
Reinhardt can throw fire
That's... Not exactly accurate
I dont understand your question
Are you asking who was in Overwatch?
Old Overwatch was:
Soldier 76, Ana, Reaper, Torbjorn, Reinhardt, Mercy, Winston, Tracer, McCree, Genji, Moira, Echo, Sojourn
Mei was also there, but as a scientist, not as an agent.
New Overwatch is:
Winston, Tracer, Mei, Genji, Mercy, Echo, Reinhardt, Brigitte, Lucio, Sojourn.
Mei as an agent, Brigitte, and Lucio are the new recruits.
While Soldier 76, Ana, McCree are doing their own thing as vigilantes, Torbjorn is retired, and Moira/Reaper are Talon
ember pine
Wasn’t mercy likely a child prodigy cause she joined Overwatch so young and assumingely already had a doctorate?
valid terrace
Yup
ember pine
Actually what age did she join ow? 17?
iron plume
She joined overwatch in her mid to late 20s
she's not a member in the team picture with a 12yo Pharah
ember pine
Gotcha
peak escarp
she was in her early-mid 20s when she joined Overwatch
Jack says the crisis has been over for about a decade, and I figure the crisis ended about 25 years ago
so she joined about 15 years ago
37 - 15 = 22
limpid agate
Others speculate that it ended 27 or 23 years ago, or somewhere in that range
That makes the range of ages 20-24
peak escarp
yeah, around that age
she was already a med student at 17, and a medical degree in Switzerland takes 6 years
so it's not unreasonable
ocean spindle
Guys, Sigma are in Blackwatch or Overwatch??
ocean spindle
Talon is good? Or no?
ocean spindle
What Talon doing?
peak escarp
starting a war
ocean spindle
With Over or Blackwatch? Or with all?
peak escarp
with the world, but Overwatch is really the only ones who can stop them
ocean spindle
What Blackwatch doing in this moment? In moment war?
peak escarp
yes
hallow grove
blackwatch was reaper genji mcree moira lol
peak escarp
Blackwatch was a subdivision of Overwatch
ocean spindle
What Genji doing in Blackwatch??
frosty totem
his best
peak escarp
he was recruited into Blackwatch to help them take down the Shimada crime family
hallow grove
really?
peak escarp
yes
Hanzo believed that he had killed his brother, but Genji was rescued by Overwatch and the intervention of Dr. Angela Ziegler. The global security force saw Genji as a potential asset in its ongoing operations to combat the Shimada clan. As Genji's injuries left him clinging to life, Overwatch offered to rebuild his body in exchange for his help. He was put through an extensive process of cyberization, which enhanced his natural speed and agility and augmented his superlative ninja skills. Transformed into a living weapon, Genji single-mindedly set about the task of dismantling his family's criminal empire.
ocean spindle
So what Genji doing in Blackwatch, or he's in Overwatch?? I don't got it..
peak escarp
Blackwatch is a part of Overwatch
iron plume
Genji was a field agent in both Blackwatch and old "proper" Overwatch
what he did was missions
we've seen two of them in Archives
hallow grove
but blackwatch was disbanded after retribution
iron plume
yes
frosty shell
well, it was suspended
ocean spindle
So Blackwatch is live?
hallow grove
after reyes killed antonio 
iron plume
no
frosty shell
No, because Overwatch was completely disbanded
And Winston probably wouldn't want to reinstate Blackwatch since they already lack authorization for anything that they do
ocean spindle
Means in this moment live Overwatch and Talon?
iron plume
the key one being that it's against the entire point of new overwatch
Mercy sure as hell wouldn't sign up for that
neither would Genji or likely mei
hallow grove
lol my overwatch lore vs party magician's overwatch lore is like a breadcrumb vs. a cookie
iron plume
if so then Doc's got a full cake on hers
peak escarp
I try
ocean spindle
Means Overwatch disbanded Blackwatch to killed competitor in fight with Shimada?
hallow grove
um
hallow grove
wasn't blackwatch disbanded because it wasn't really authorized?
iron plume
and it got suspended because of Retribution
and then shut down completely at the same time Overwatch did
hallow grove
even in the Retribution trailer it said "blackwatch doesn't play by the rules"
iron plume
the Shimada mission was already done for years at that point
peak escarp
yes
iron plume
it's authorized by Overwatch in the sense that they allowed it to exist
peak escarp
Blackwatch was a division in Overwatch that did the black ops missions - kidnapping, assassination, espionage
iron plume
and provided resources/manpower/etc
peak escarp
when the public found out about Blackwatch, there was a public outcry and Overwatch got in deep trouble
iron plume
but it played fast and loose with legality where they operated
hallow grove
that was... a little bit scary and amazing at the same time
atomic cosmos
man i just read retribution comic and...wow talon found Blackwatch HQ that fast ? like dam
pliant sparrow
They also have a very large amount of resources
limpid agate
The biggest things are in pins
cosmic crest
The Sombra ARG seemed really deep. It's amazing that people were able to solve all the pieces so quickly
lusty junco
My favorite character when it comes to lore is sigma
There's something cool and equally sad about a scientist who basically figured out how to control the fabric of reality (in a sense) but became mentally unhinged and eventually controlled by evil
cosmic crest
Sigma is an interesting one for sure, but he has next to no lore outside of his origin video
fathom tartan
How cannon do you think the cook book is
fathom tartan
I wanna make something from the cookbook I dont have it tho
fathom tartan
So
What if reapers real face
Is just
A bone
Like theres no flesh on his face
That's why he took up the persona of the reaper
peak escarp
Ana recognized him from his face, so I doubt it's just bone
fathom tartan
Well
I mean
Ig
But shouldn't she recognize the powers
Feel like spooky ghost powers are too common
peak escarp
why would she recognize those? she didn't know Reyes had them
limpid agate
Reaper had confronted Jack, and Ana had leapt to his aid.
She had subdued Reaper, wrestling him to the ground. But
when she had stripped off the ghoulish mask and seen the
ruin of a face beneath, she recognized Gabriel Reyes, a friend
and comrade she’d known just as long as Jack. Gabriel proved
to be the real phantom as he’d faded into thin air, disappearing
like a whisper.```pretty impressive that she can overpower him at her age
although he might have been holding back against her
peak escarp
but he's a supersoldier
peak escarp
fair point
ember pine
I'm honestly not convinced he actually wants either of them dead, I mean he shot 76 in the back and not the head when he could have
that's why I question his motives. is he actually working for talon cause he wants to or because he's trying to take them down from the inside like they did with Overwatch
ember pine
Even the way he walks/fights/talks/dresses is super dramatic
like death blossom? that's basically a dance
he is the archetypal bad guy who monologues at the protagonist long enough they can get away
ember pine
true
worthy rose
what comic is that
worthy rose
thanks
worthy rose
wait who was first in command in ow
i think it was gabe first but ended up being soldier 76
or jack morrison
iron plume
yes
grand wedge
Gabriel Reyes led the Strike Team during the war. That was Overwatch by the UN not USA. When it ended, Overwatch became something more and Jack Morrison got promoted Strike Commander
shell laurel
Didn’t Gabriel get mad because of that?
grand wedge
No
shell laurel
oh
shell laurel
Yea I haven’t looked into the lore recently
grand wedge
Gabriel commanded the pre-overwatch US strike force
@iron plume Overwatch was a UN initiative that Gabriel Reyes led as the Stike Commander
iron plume
I'm talking about the SEP program
but yes he did lead the UN strike team as well, messed up on that
iron plume
yes
winged prawn
say whatttt
;-;
im so out of date with the lore rn
xD
wait
so why did reyes kill antonio
iron plume
because Antonio taunted him about how they'd never put him away for good
and Reyes realized he was right
iron plume
in jail
Blackwatch were there to take him in for his crimes, most importantly the blackwatch base explosion that sent Gerard into a coma
winged prawn
oh nvm
i watched the videos
thx
also is tracer lesbian
i saw a comic strip-
onyx panther
Yes
frosty totem
we dont know
cosmic crest
They must have REALLY convinced him since they turned his best friend's wife into a slave and murdered him.
sterile vale
how does that make his convinced though
is it because hes e d g y?
imagine your enemy going up to you and saying "hey we murdered your friend and controlled her wife join us lul"
sterile vale
hmm maybe moira said she would fix him
valid terrace
I believe Reaper was conditioned similarly to Widow while Moira worked on his body
Or went through some other mental shift
Otherwise he wouldn’t have beef with every agent, just the OW brass
or something very bad happened where Overwatch itself turned against him
sterile vale
moira was probably a huge part
cosmic crest
Widow is a slave to Talon, Reaper is an Overseer, I don't think they brainwashed him since he's the one giving orders, he must of joined of his own will
imagine your enemy going up to you and saying "hey we murdered your friend and controlled her wife join us lul"
@sterile vale That's what I'm saying, you misread my post.
weary plank
oy matey who tryna play some comp
cosmic crest
wrong channel bro
rugged helm
game theory: winston is ape
peak escarp
how observant of you
rugged helm
game theory: overwatch doesnt have any lore and this is stupid
peak escarp
why would you come into the lore channel just to insult us?
there is plenty of lore, and we can show you if you'd like
rugged helm
ok sore
cosmic crest
If anything, I'd say there's too much lore. Blizzard seems to have a hard time with all of it
Not that I want there to be less lore
rugged helm
nah ok
peak escarp
the biggest problem is that it isn't all in one place - I made my list to make it easier to find
but it's very scattered
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
cosmic crest
I wish Overwatch was a massive franchise with multiple spin-offs, but that isn't so
There is enough lore for an entire universe
rugged helm
is there a fnaf server cause i think that would be better than this no offense but like
peak escarp
you're welcome to leave
@cosmic crest I think there will be eventually, but Overwatch is still a young franchise
worthy rose
well atleast overwatch has better lore than paladins
thats if paladins even has lore lol
peak escarp
it's only 4 years old
lavish elm
the paladins lore is god awful
peak escarp
look how big the Warcraft franchise is at 26 years old
cosmic crest
If we get an OW movie, I hope it is animated and cannon to the lore, unlike that Warcraft movie (at least I don't think the Warcraft movie was cannon, I'm not a fan).
fathom tartan
Ow
Would be a great franchise
Like it's a very big universe
Having multiple games in different styles I would say would be cool
I would be somewhat alien to see ow universe in say a open world but I lm not dismissive to the idea
peak escarp
open world games are overrated
fathom tartan
Even a show where we check in on lesser charters like emily and bastion's bird
cosmic crest
I'd like a linear, single player shooter, or multiple even
peak escarp
but consider this: tactical RPG where you command Overwatch during its golden age
fathom tartan
That would be cool
cosmic crest
I'm not a fan of the genre, but yeah that would be awesome
fathom tartan
Even story games
Like
Detroit become humman but of course not too much choice and if there is choice a cannon ending
cosmic crest
Overwatch: the tell tale series
cosmic crest
They are dead now anyway
fathom tartan
Yeah
But a story games with some what open world ish stuff
Like Detroit would be very cool
Also
Something with doomfist I wanna know more the first doomfist was a good guy as said by chu but the second trained the current and the current is evil
Also this may not happen but seeing that kid take the doomfist mantle would be cool because he knew how to use it with no training
fathom tartan
Imagine being a highly trained assassin with several kills under your belt and getting beat by a teen in a blue hoodie
peak escarp
he did have the element of surprise
fathom tartan
Still if that kid doesn't come back into the story I'm gonna be disappointed
peak escarp
I doubt he will
fathom tartan
But six you have to understand she used her ult
peak escarp
he was just a random kid
cosmic crest
I'd rather move away from the cinematic trailer tbh
fathom tartan
Dont you rember the end of the short
Tracer looked at the kid and said the world could always use more hero's
peak escarp
the kids were proxies for the audience
cosmic crest
Not every character needs to be playable
fathom tartan
I'm not saying playable I'm saying do something later in the lore
Doomfist probably wondered why the gauntlet was smaller
Perhaps doomfist gets the kid a tries to corrupt him
peak escarp
smaller?
cosmic crest
It was a lot smaller in the trailer, but that was because Doom wasn't designed yet
fathom tartan
It was also not in use
peak escarp
it's the same size it was when his predecessor used it
the gauntlet we see today has been modified
fathom tartan
Well I'm sure the gauntlet adapts to the size of the hand
peak escarp
why would it do that?
peak escarp
it's not magical
fathom tartan
No
worthy rose
A bit like in endgame?
fathom tartan
It technology
peak escarp
things don't just adjust to the size of the hand that wields them without mechanical modification
fathom tartan
You dont need magic to adapt to the size of a hand
worthy rose
In avengers endgame the gauntlet was small but extended to fit hulk's hand which wasnt magic but technology. Same thing could happen in ow
fathom tartan
It a fist that can level building I'm sure it has enough tech to adjust to hand size
cosmic crest
I can see that being a thing
worthy rose
It's very possible
fathom tartan
Doomfist must search the world not for the most powerful not the worthy but someone who has the right hands
Imagine you train you whole life to works to the doomfist mantle but oh no
fathom tartan
Your hand dosent match
cosmic crest
I swear it looks smaller
peak escarp
@worthy rose the full line is "They say he could level a skyscraper."
worthy rose
Clearly it is smaller though
fathom tartan
It only goes like that after the punch because it like stops working
worthy rose
Yeah
fathom tartan
And it falls off his hand
worthy rose
Maybe that's its default state
worthy rose
Ohhh yeahhh
fathom tartan
I'm sure those close in to be a better fit
worthy rose
Or could extend out
fathom tartan
Yeah
worthy rose
Either way
cosmic crest
The cinematic trailer isn't really a credible source anyway to be fair
they retconned a lot of stuff
worthy rose
Personally I believe it can extend and close in but has also gone through improvements and upgrades
fathom tartan
Yeah
fathom tartan
Having a gauntlet ment to be passed on form person to person but then not having it be adjusted for size wouldn't be the biggest of brain
I never played starcraft
But cool theres a reference
peak escarp
Twitter
the tweet he's responding to is gone, but someone asked why the gauntlet he wears looks different than the one in the museum
worthy rose
The fist is meant for humans right?
valid terrace
Just because it might not auto adjust doesn’t mean you don’t fit it to the next wearer’s hand
They already mod it each time
fathom tartan
Well yeah obviously he upgraded it because he dosent have a real hand really
valid terrace
You mean his cybernetic hand?
peak escarp
probably a hero in Africa during the crisis
worthy rose
I think the first spiked knuckles can do like and eject move like a Jack in the box type deal
worthy rose
I think he might be in retirement or dead
worthy rose
The saviour wouldnt pass it on to a villain ... unless the scourge wasnt always a villain
Something to think about
fathom tartan
Or did the scourge kill the savior and played it off as tradition
valid terrace
I think I read somewhere that he was his apprentice or something and poisoned him?
I’ll check
fathom tartan
Huh
Think rein is old enough to have known the savior
Or at least been alive in the time of him
valid terrace
Anyone from the crisis would be
fathom tartan
Rein is the oldest ow member
cosmic crest
Sigma is one year older
worthy rose
Was the saviour part of overwatch?
worthy rose
I think the saviour wasnt part of ow but was in his own heroic military and is a hero to those he fought for
peak escarp
we don't know anything about the Savior, aside from his name and that he was a good guy
fathom tartan
Kidna like the crusaders
peak escarp
I never said you couldn't
fathom tartan
Maybe
peak escarp
I'm just pointing out what we know
worthy rose
We know that tho