Ye she takes out the arm blaster
#lore-discussion
dusk ledge
fathom tartan
Do you not have the game
atomic cosmos
i think all crusader died in the battle of eichenwalden
barren musk
so shes defs a dps
atomic cosmos
reinhardt is sole survivor
barren musk
rein is the last crusader
fathom tartan
You see him twice in the whole short
swift mason
The girl crusader?
dapper haven
I wonder what healers we'd get, or if they would be characters that haven't been mentioned before
atomic cosmos
not very offensive like moira i hope
dapper haven
A main healer would be nice
fathom tartan
Okay boot up ow go to einchwalde go on attack look at the room right in front of the bar with all the posters and theres a crusader poster
dapper haven
Also another defensive ult would be greatly appreciated
All we have right now are Zen's and Lucio's
atomic cosmos
okay i'll check it
barren musk
does rally count as a defensive ult
barren musk
doesnt it only speed boost brig
dapper haven
Like, Lucio and Zen's can let the team survive the likes of a D.va ult or death blossom
Brig's cant
barren musk
i guess
barren musk
yea lucios sound barrier is the best agianst dva's ult
dapper haven
Yeah
barren musk
zens just does alot of healing
dapper haven
But Trans can work for it
barren musk
so only he surivves
atomic cosmos
if you stay away from the nuke
dapper haven
As far as I know others can survive it with his ult
barren musk
yea but live if youre caught in a grav and a dva bomb is coming its best to use sound barrier
dapper haven
Yeah
I hope to see another ult like that
The other healer ults are more offensive
fathom tartan
Okay so I'm watching honor and glory and I'm unsure how many crusaders there are
I think three
dapper haven
With Mercy's somewhere in between
dusk ledge
Over 9000
sonic sleet
Trans doesn't work against Dva bomb
barren musk
trans is good against continuous damage like a hanzo ult
swift mason
yeah i don't think he's important
atomic cosmos
@barren musk just checked you can't survive grav + nuke
dapper haven
Okay
atomic cosmos
it does 1000 damage if you're really close to the nuke
while sound barrier provide 750 temp shield
barren musk
so just the tanks would surivive
atomic cosmos
hmm i think ?
barren musk
well before the barrier starts to decay
fathom tartan
He gets like screeched at by a OR15 and pounced on but in the next frame hes going backwards with there shield and the leader tells him to go back to the rally point so I think he survived
barren musk
like at the exact moment the bomb explodes the barrier is activated
atomic cosmos
what happen to the update where lucio sound barrier depend on the height ?
dapper haven
So how many heroes are likely to be added to ow2?
dapper haven
I doubt we'd get another crusader
swift mason
There were more
barren musk
yea same like i'd doubt we'd get another meka pilot
swift mason
probably in different places in germany
fathom tartan
In honor and glory there is three
swift mason
Only 3 at eichenwalde, meanwhile there could be more elswere
atomic cosmos
the only potential person who become crusader is brig
fathom tartan
Yeah
atomic cosmos
that we know
fathom tartan
Isn't she already a crusader
swift mason
Brig is squire to rein
barren musk
shes just a squire
swift mason
I reckon she will become full crusader if rein dies
fathom tartan
Technically there isn't crusaders anymore so
barren musk
knight*
fathom tartan
I'm sure Germany shut that down
swift mason
Rein is the most logical person to die in the story, though this discussion has already been settled
swift mason
A hero's legacy never dies
fathom tartan
Stan lee is still alive in my mind
swift mason
Therefore his legacy will never die
barren musk
do you guys think we'll see reaper's face under his mask in ow2
swift mason
Idk
dapper haven
I hope we do
barren musk
its probably super deformed
fathom tartan
What if it's just a skull
dapper haven
I doubt Reaper, Jack and Ana will be part of the ow2 story though
fathom tartan
Like his face couldn't be saved
dapper haven
Maybe their story could be followed in dlc
barren musk
oof dlc
dapper haven
But as it stands they dont seem to be likely to be in the ow2 story
fathom tartan
Jack and them will probably be seen in ow2
Did you not care about the first line in zero hour
barren musk
what if there are extra missions you unlock after the story where you play as all the other heroes not in the main story and see what they were up to.
iron plume
Soldier and Ana explicitly say they won't join new Overwatch in Valkyrie
dapper haven
^
iron plume
well, Ana says they won't
fathom tartan
Yes
iron plume
it's the entire reason Mercy joins
dapper haven
He will have bigger concerns than seeing his pals during the story
swift mason
I don't think winston would be keen on going back to the moon
fathom tartan
Soidler will probably be helping a town or something with a uprising raid and the team will just show up and run into each other
swift mason
Unless he had to
iron plume
Winston wants to recreate the ideal of overwatch
swift mason
to save someone still up there maybe
dapper haven
Reaper might be seen if talon shows up but Soldier and Ana idk
dapper haven
Soldier and Ana are together in Valkyrie, chasing reaper and talon
They'll most likely stay working together
swift mason
What if there was a side mission where winston finds out that Harold winston is alive somehow and is stuck on the moon hiding from the apes, and he had to go there
fathom tartan
Uprising and talon are in cahoots so the new ow team seeing them isnt out of the picture
barren musk
what would harold have been eating all these years on the moon
swift mason
bananas
barren musk
the monkeys would have raided everything
fathom tartan
Bananas
dapper haven
Uprising? Do you mean Null Sector?
swift mason
like i said, just an idea if he somehow survived
barren musk
maybe canned food that the monkeys couldnt open
swift mason
@fathom tartan did you ever see my concept for a kings row story mission, its ok if u didn't
dapper haven
There's potatoes between points a and b
fathom tartan
No
atomic cosmos
day 99 the supplies of peanut butter is out i don't know how long i will survive
fathom tartan
I didn't
swift mason
ok thats cool
iron plume
Harold is dead
It wouldn't make sense storywise for him to be alive just as it wouldn't realistically
atomic cosmos
wait we're talking about harold winston right ?
fathom tartan
There's banana crops
iron plume
yes
barren musk
yea harold winston
swift mason
He's probably ded tho
dapper haven
What happened to the animals there after they attacked?
Winston and Hammond escaped but what about the rest
iron plume
They took over the base and now live there
swift mason
They took over the base
fathom tartan
Dead monkey dead
barren musk
yea but after they run out of food the what
fathom tartan
Dead monkey
iron plume
the base grows its own crops
swift mason
they probably learn to grow crops, they are intelligent after all
dapper haven
I doubt we'll get any Lunar colony lore. Maybe some about when Sigma was there
barren musk
yea didnt sigma know harold winston
swift mason
he did
fathom tartan
Could mercy heal sig's brain damage
dapper haven
He wasnt in space when the accident happened btw
iron plume
he was
swift mason
I thought he was in a space station
dapper haven
Wait yeah I read it wrong
iron plume
it wasn't the moon colony though, it was the space station
and yes, when he "snapped" he was contained and put away at a facility on earth
swift mason
If he did the experiment on earth, everyone would be dead
swift mason
cause gravity, and black holes
iron plume
at least not all of them
fathom tartan
Black hole
iron plume
it didn't like
collapse the station
swift mason
Idk
iron plume
so why would it do the same to earth
fathom tartan
It probably didn't have enough matter around it to fully grow in the station it most likely evaporated
fathom tartan
If it was contained
iron plume
but in overwatch technobabble terms the more likely explanation is that its containment failed only partially or for a brief moment
hence sigma being affected but not everything else
fathom tartan
Sig's orbs actually have some science behind them witch it cool
Key word some
Were lucky sig didn't get cancer or something
pliant sparrow
atomic cosmos
it's blackhole and it succ everything except beam
gentle heart
We assume that the shimada dragons are the only magic in ow, but does zen’s kit seem very techy? Maybe he just is actually enlightened and that’s why he floats
lament prawn
there is no magic in ow
the dragons are some form of unexplained tech
zen's kit, like a lot of characters, isn't entirely canon
we don't know what he can do
tulip blade
I hope we'll have all the MEKA squad as OW2 character with their new mech. Like after the Shooting Star event, their mechs appeared to be damaged and needed some upgrade. It would fit the story of OW2 as D.Va herself get her mech changed too
If they indeed going that route, we don't have to worrying about what if their mechs were too big or too many similiar tanks. On top of that, we got more tanks
valid terrace
The main problem with that, excluding Overlord, is that the enemy silhouettes would be too similar, and half the tank roster being the same concept with different abilities would be pretty lame
cosmic crest
I hope D.mon becomes a hero at least
peak escarp
why?
valid terrace
Ye
peak escarp
he'd be way more interesting
peak escarp
D.Mon is the least interesting one
dapper haven
Master Ian Gamer just did a video talking about Casino
One thing he mentioned though is that you can see a Talon sniper on the Monte Carlo stage during the pve trailer. I just wonder how much Talon we will see through the story
fathom tartan
Is casino a talon spy?
dapper haven
He could be
We dont really know much
The thing is, would they be willing to do another Mecha hero. D.va and hers have had an abundance of glitches and bugs
peak escarp
why is it weird to see Talon on the Monte Carlo map?
fathom tartan
Gliched and bugs will come with anything especially new remember doomfist
peak escarp
Maximilien runs a casino there
dapper haven
I'm not saying it's weird, it's just showing that Talon will play some role in the ow2 story
peak escarp
Casino the MEKA pilot probably has nothing to do with Talon
oh
well we already knew that
because we hear Doomfist and Max talking
dapper haven
When?
peak escarp
in that same scene
dapper haven
I really need to rewatch everything
How much of a part in the story do you think Talon will play?
peak escarp
Max says "I can't do this."
cosmic crest
They will get at least one mission of their own I think
peak escarp
Doomfist says "You made your choice. Nobody will stop us."
Talon will be a major part of the OW2 story
dapper haven
I hope they get a significant enough role to give Sigma some lore
peak escarp
they're partnered with Null Sector to wage this war
dapper haven
What are Talons goals
peak escarp
to push progress through conflict
opal lance
hi
limpid agate
The main problem with that, excluding Overlord, is that the enemy silhouettes would be too similar, and half the tank roster being the same concept with different abilities would be pretty lame
They did a good job of giving all the mechs different silhouettes
That's not the problem with 5 MEKA heroes
The problem is trying to make flight and ejection mechanics unique or derivative of D.Va
King or D.Mon for interactions with D.Va I guess
King is more interesting than D.Mon because his mech is named after his artillery
He would be an artillery hero
Which would also solve the "mobility" problem with D.Va. Don't make him very mobile.
worthy rose
theres no time limit here
also can i ask a question
is maximillien likely to become a hero
primal escarp
you know how D.Va has her little work station where she can fix her mech
is there like a common docking area where they can just deposit their mechs, or is it like a personal thing with each person having their own area
tulip blade
The main problem with that, excluding Overlord, is that the enemy silhouettes would be too similar, and half the tank roster being the same concept with different abilities would be pretty lame
@valid terrace
That's why I want them to have a new mechs
Like everyone get new mechs in OW2.
D.Va OW2 new mechs skin is when she destroyed her old one in the end of shooting star
The MEKA squad mechs status are all destroyed as well in shooting star
limpid agate
They're not going to change D.Va's silhouette
Likewise
The silhouettes for the 4 are already all different
tulip blade
So it's a chance for them to get a completely new mech with different silhoutte and ability.
D.Va is the only one with old sillhoutte and albility
limpid agate
The silhouettes for the 4 are already all different
You can literally see the mechs in the basement
And see for yourself that they're different
tulip blade
But the sizes are too big.
limpid agate
Sigh
Hold on
The only big one is Beast.
The others are mostly the same size. King's is tall but narrow
And they can easily scale it down a little if need be
The silhouettes are all different though. That is a nonargument and not the problem with 5 MEKA heroes
The problem is trying to make flight and ejection mechanics unique or derivative of D.Va
worthy rose
why cant the rest just blow up and die
limpid agate
For what purpose
limpid agate
Oh you mean gameplay
worthy rose
primal escarp
just imagine a hamster just running around the map with its tiny hitbox and a whole team trying to hit the damn thing
verbal creek
That would be amazing
dapper haven
Who would use his mech then if you could do that. Itd be so easy to hide and hold the point
junior aspen
Lucio and Sym lore cinematic when
fathom tartan
Epic doomfist and orisa battle short when
peak escarp
not a short, but we are getting a novel about Orisa in about 1.5 months
primal jolt
yeah so the ability could be fast running or some crap
limpid agate
That sounds dumb.
primal jolt
it deos
limpid agate
Yes, it does.
limpid agate
There are many viable combatants that can become heroes
Max is unfortunately not one of them
primal jolt
yois
limpid agate
I wanted him for a long time. Then we got Storm Rising.
And now its clear he is not fit for combat.
peak escarp
Bars would be more interesting (although I don't think people would like another sniper)
primal jolt
i think we need more healers
honestly
echo kinda looks like she/he? could be a healer
peak escarp
she looks like she could be anything
limpid agate
Well this is the lore channel
Not the gameplay channel.
Unless you want to tie it to a specific character, you're in the wrong place to ask for healing.
primal jolt
sowey
limpid agate
And based on the potential candidates...
primal jolt
aa
limpid agate
Your best bet would be Lynx
compact urchin
arguing with stupid people is like playing chess with a bird, it will eventually knock all the pieces over and strut around like its won
worthy rose
card launcher
atomic cosmos
max is accountant why you expect he have potential to be one of OW's hero ?
worthy rose
we have a hamster @atomic cosmos
atomic cosmos
a smart one
worthy rose
still a hamster
limpid agate
I dont see how thats comparable
atomic cosmos
the only thing that max able to do is saving winston's swiss taxes
limpid agate
We've seen Maximilien in combat.
He doesn't fight.
Hammond was introduced as the second escapee from the HLC.
Wrecking Ball was introduced as the champion of Junkertown on the next immediate map release.
Maximillien is a non combatant that we have actively seen run away from a fight
worthy rose
sad but true
tulip blade
There're so many characters in OW story but only a few have a "playable" quality...
Knowing Blizzard, they sure will not down their standard of quality when it comes to playable character design....
I wish we could have some of the minor cast as playable character only in story mode 😭 it would be exclusive for OW2 player. Their gameplay, albility and silhoutte might be similiar to characters we already have.
It would be better for the devs to design story mode without having the writer trying to force unrelated characters together as a team just for the gameplay...
Like if they need a Talon mission played with Orisa. They could just made a Story-mode only character with albility similiar to Orisa, without having Orisa herself a Talon.
🤤 ppl will put hours into that story mode because they can play new exclusive character, even if their design is not as unique or their albility is just from a bunch of old characters...
atomic cosmos
soo attack on every region is a forced design ?
like for example attack on south korea
so winston's OW went to there to assist Meka thus they co-operate with d.va ( and maybe other meka pilot )
tulip blade
Some would be forced. Like in case they need to put Sombra, Wrecking Ball, Zen, Symmmetra to 1 mission.
If they use the main cast, the plot will not make sense.
But the writer telling the devs that they can not design a team like that is no good either.
Imagine that same mission, but instead they use The bunny Omnic that can hack (instead of Sombra), Wrecking Ball, A random monk Omnic ( instead of Zen), Another Viska employee (instead of Sym).
The gameplay the same
But the plot makes more sense.
Just an example tho
cosmic crest
Playing as random characters no one cares about would completely deceive the point of having a story mission
Also, we have the all heroes mode if you want to play as anyone with no story, so there is no problem here
lament prawn
all that is unnecessary
why would they ever need orisa to be on a talon mission? or sombra to fight alongside hammond?
theyre not putting random heroes together, theyre using the ones that work with the story. not all heroes will be in the story missions (at launch)
atomic cosmos
it's just what if scenario ?
cosmic crest
I do hope that at some point post launch every hero will be in a story mission
Really, the Overwatch universe is multiple stories, not just one
To account for it, Blizzard has to either start unifying the plot lines, or produce more content to cover all of them
The former seems more likely
lament prawn
i dont mind if certain heroes become the "main characters" of a plot, otherwise its too much, but i do hope every hero gets their share of content eventually, regardless of how relevant they currently are to the story
some heroes might not help overwatch or fight against them, doesnt mean we shouldnt get to see what theyre up to
cosmic crest
There is enough material in the lore for an entire universe, but I feel that the amount of content we get doesn't reflect that
fathom tartan
Okay if they weren't already planning a story mode in ow2 I would suggest a series or even a anime for ow
I'd 100% watch something like that
lament prawn
a netflix series has already been leaked
cosmic crest
probably fake tbh
lavish elm
A Netflix series wasn’t specified but one has been sold to a streaming service
atomic cosmos
one ?
lament prawn
the source of the leak was the co-president of activision blizzard studios' linked in profile, so probably not fake
fathom tartan
Why do you think anime wouldn't work it was great for doomfist's short
dapper haven
Is that not just more of animation style as opposed to an anime?
cosmic crest
maybe an American anime like netflix Castlevania
cosmic crest
I mean, an American production that's meant to look like anime
atomic cosmos
i did saw few clip of it look awesome
pliant sparrow
Probably because most american cartoons are seen as childish
Although I would like to see a show similar in style to the doomfist short
pliant sparrow
Don't watch anime trailers so sadly no
I'll take a look though
Wait you meant heroes of the storm 
atomic cosmos
yes
atomic cosmos
or it was created by the same studio ?
tulip blade
I hope they do 3D animation.
The quality like Storm Rising cutscene is enough we just need more and more lore....
dapper haven
If the book is successful, I'd like more of them
Just something that gives us lore. We only really get significant lore around archives and new hero releases
grand wedge
Just for the people talking about the animated series
So there is no confusion of what has been said and what is speculation at this point @lament prawn
lament prawn
yep
"netflix" and "anime" have only been said about the diablo series
i just said netflix because i assumed it would be streamed there anyway
grand wedge
It's important to make the difference, because after that, it's like spreading fake news
fathom tartan
But why would blizzard limit the amount of people that re going to see the lore
grand wedge
Money?
They are making a novel - it's going to be the first thing you have to pay for.
west basalt
They can't just release a book for free
peak escarp
the lore that's in the novel will be put on wikis within the day
so it's not exactly putting lore behind a paywall
but the better it sells the more likely we are to get more
gentle heart
Netflix series and ow2 connections seem possible given that they’re coming out at the same time. It would be hard to coordinate though.
They would have been in the writing stages around the same times
fathom tartan
But I mean it just being a Netflix original seems wacky
Trying to spread it to like hulu and others stuff would be cool
grand wedge
Latest interview of Michael Chu for people who'd like to listen to it : https://soundcloud.com/the1099/episode-236-overwatch-writer-michael-chu-on-20-years-at-blizzard
The OW talk starts around 40 minutes
grand wedge
Well, i guess the important part is that he sounds happy and hopefull with the future of OW because it's in" great hands"
cosmic crest
In McCree's comic, Train Hopper, what was the thing Talon was after?
cosmic crest
Ugh, I hate loose ends like that
peak escarp
it was a macguffin
fathom tartan
Guys
I have perhaps the most far fetched idea I have ever said in this chat
What if guneyme isn't a bird and is in fact some sort of talon spy
Or a creator of chaos
In the short the burd turns on bastion and after seeing he was going to his old objective stops him
Leading him back to the forests
Now assuming bastion just followed her
Then she lead bastion to torb or a smaller town where bastion would cause more chaos
With the possibly of torb destroying the bastion or reparing him so that he kills again
Now all that I just said is very very far fetched and I dont exactly agree with myself but it was just something that popped in my head
worthy rose
GANYMEDE THE TRUE VILLAIN OF OVERWATCH
barren musk
lmao
frosty shell
Come on, it's actually Snowball, don't be blind /s
But please keep this channel serious
atomic cosmos
wait brigitte is the youngest of all torb's kid ?
frosty shell
yes the people with him at christmas were his grandkids
atomic cosmos
oh
fathom tartan
Bro
Over 5 damn years almost all the cinematics are just people responding to the short we see almost every time we log into ow
cosmic crest
I actually really like that, every hero in zero hour apeared in an animated short... except Mercy! Why couldn't she have one D:
brittle igloo
Can i ask? Who's in your opinion the strongest hero lore-wise
peak escarp
what do you mean by "strongest"?
brittle igloo
most powerful in terms of abilities seen in the lore
also counting pure strenght or hacking like sombra does
which in those times in the future is really powerful
brittle igloo
thanks
worthy rose
Most powerful i believe is Reaper.Hes immortal and can never die.Only way to beat him is to vaporize him like Winston did.
cosmic crest
Sombra probably has the highest IQ
iron plume
that's
questionable
brittle igloo
Sigma's black hole vs vaporized reaper 😉
iron plume
Sombra's smart but it's a roster that has multiple revolutionary scientists
worthy rose
Maybe Moira?Since she made Reaper immortal
cosmic crest
Yes but Sombra seems to know almost everything about everyone
iron plume
He's not immortal
worthy rose
Yes he is he survived being vaporized by Winston
iron plume
but that's not intelligence in the IQ sense
she's resourceful
he wasn't vaporized
he saw that it was a losing fight and backed off in wraithform
"Most intelligent" would be pretty hard to determine
Mercy, Moira, Mei, Sigma and Winston all have good claims
Torb too
plus there's Echo now and she messes this whole thing up
how do you determine the intelligence of an eternally learning AI
cosmic crest
Echo is seriously dangerous, no wonder she was put to sleep
Even if she herself doesn't pose a threat, imagine if a hostile force could copy her tech
iron plume
Then there's people that aren't traditionally educated but incredibly resourceful
Sombra and Junkrat both are, if in different ways
lament prawn
i don't think they're at risk of that happening, they like to make omnics/robots as human as possible in the sense that they stray away from stuff like cloning or reviving robots by copying their hardware. they feel more "human" that way
iron plume
I don't think something like that is happening, but it's kind of telling that she was shut down when the world was starting to consider Overwatch itself "a hostile force"
And yeah overwatch seems to be going for "copying robot minds isn't a thing"
iron plume
we don't know how much of that is strictly canon
lament prawn
we dont even know if thats canon
iron plume
it's supposed to represent her adaptability in battle
worthy rose
It might not since she didnt use it in the zero hour trailer
lament prawn
i always thought it was more of a mental learning thing she had, not physical
cosmic crest
I don't see why it wouldn't be cannon
iron plume
and is also clearly gameplay-driven because how fucking cool is it fr
lament prawn
a lot of the tech in overwatch is far-fetched, but this to me felt like it was crossing the line a little
cosmic crest
@lament prawn really? what makes you say that?
worthy rose
True Ov has ridiculously advanced tech
lament prawn
it works great in gameplay and as a metaphor for her adaptability and learning tech, but i dont think its canon, at least not in the way its represented in-game
worthy rose
Yeah me too or else she would of used it in the cinematic
cosmic crest
the cinematic was before she was fully developed
lament prawn
whether or not she used it in the cinematic is something else
tracer didnt use recall or pulse bomb in the first cinematic trailer, but no one assumed that wasnt canon because of it
cosmic crest
I think it would be lame if duplicate wasn't cannon
It is a very interesting ability form a sci-fi perspective
lament prawn
i agree, the way its presented in-game felt too arcade-y to me (like d.va calling in 800 mechs from the sky and willingly destroying each one, which works for the game but isnt canon because its ridiculous) but if she doesnt have any visual representation of her adaptive tech then it would be a little lame
perhaps something inbetween
cosmic crest
There is no ultimate charge in lore of course, but I can imagine Echo would have to analyse a foe before duplicating them in battle
she can't just do it immediately
brittle igloo
wonder how much RAM echo has
Would she run Crysis 3 ?
Bet u can jailbreak her and put xbox software on her
lament prawn
im talking about how her in-game abilities are too crazy to be canon
like casually self-destructing and having infinite mechs to call in
worthy rose
Oh ok
lament prawn
i think echo would actually be too powerful plot-wise if her duplicate was canon in the way its shown in-game, but i really cant think of a middle ground that is neither lame nor too powerful
fathom tartan
We still talking about most powerful hero?
Bc in my opinion it's sig by far
Nvm we talking about echo cannon
limpid agate
Story wise, the candidates are:
Winston, Orisa, Sigma, Symmetra.
D.Va, Reaper, Doomfist, and Echo are probably high up there though.
cosmic crest
I'd say Sombra, Echo, Reaper and Doomfist
Doom is the opposite of some other heroes, he's more powerful in the lore than he is in-game
peak escarp
Doomfist has a big myth around him
they say he could level skyscrapers
doesn't mean he actually could
cosmic crest
true
gentle heart
Armor effectiveness vs shield effectiveness is something we have also seen a few times. Winston is incredibly tanky in all the times we’ve seen him, he’s taken direct widow shots on armor, reaper shotguns, he got dog piled by bots in ow2.
The doom fist trailer shows his shields standing up to Tracer’s shot.
My main question is why the heck Winston leaves his head so exposed if his armor is so great, he’s just sniper bait at this point.
gentle heart
I mean the armor that Winston is physically wearing, I know that armor points and HP is a non canon abstraction. he has had sniper bullets and shotguns bounce off his protective outfit.
cosmic crest
of course, many heroes have literal armour
but health isn't cannon
Honestly, the cinematic trailer is kind of sketchy since it was manly made to showcase the game
gentle heart
It’s just theorizing about the effectiveness of body armors in overwatch canon.
cosmic crest
Probably my least favourite short
cosmic crest
I know, but I don't think lore was their primary motive while making it
gentle heart
I can’t even draw conclusions from the trailers cause I don’t know what caliber widow’s gun is. Do future guns even have calibers because if someone could explain how her gun works I would be impressed.
Future weapons are pretty crazy and I would assume them to be more powerful than our modern day equivalents given the prevalence of personal shields and armor.
gentle heart
But also literal personal forcefields in doomfists case
limpid agate
Doom is the opposite of some other heroes, he's more powerful in the lore than he is in-game
Doom list a fistfight to Winston
cosmic crest
Perhaps the kinetic energy from Doom's punches are converted into shields
It would be cool if we got bios for all the weapons like in DOOM 2016
gentle heart
I always try to figure out what gameplay abilities imply about their lore abilities. We know that doom gets shields for landing punches in game, KE to shields makes sense for lore.
cosmic crest
One thing that bugged me was why Tracer's pulse pistols don't use bullets, but Soldier's pulse rifle does. My theory is that while Tracer's guns are completely energy, Soldier's gun is a sort of hybrid weapon that fires standard bullets that are sort of "charged" with energy when fired, hence the blue muzzle flash.
I'm not a gun expert btw
I think it was mentioned at some point that Soldier's pulse rifle is a prototype that he stole from Helix
peak escarp
he stole it from an Overwatch watchpoint, which was being guarded by Helix
gentle heart
Advancement in energy weapons makes sense because so many characters use them.
Pulse rifles, pistols, Zarya’s weapon.
Apparently energy weapons haven’t completely overtaken physical bullets because bastion and sombra and many others use bullets
S76 has very a small glowing magazine for his gun when you watch his reload. So apparently fresh mags glow brightly and empty mags are just a dull black box. I don’t even think his pulse rifle ejects brass
If we wanted to we could go and watch this and take notes, but that sounds like work and I don’t want to
peak escarp
might not be good for analyzing the weapons, but it's a great look at the work the animators did to give each hero a unique feel
cosmic crest
It looks like Tracers pistols just need to be vented
But Soldier's rifle needs to be reloaded
🤔
cosmic crest
@young knoll It doesn't look like it, and that would be weird since we haven't seen Tracer be able to manipulate time for anything other than herself
gentle heart
His magazines seem a lot like batteries or power packs to me, maybe even like Star Wars tibana gas. We see a slight little puff of blue gas during s76 reload, which implies that somewhere in the pulse rifle is a system that produces muzzle gasses similar to standard bullet propellant
frosty shell
no idea
gentle heart
Idk, they haven’t released a tech manual yet
If it was just a straight laser there would be know need for all the cycling parts and for recoil.
It’s probably a plasma weapon or something even weirder
frosty shell
it's best that some of the tech doesn't get explained
young knoll
maybe bullets with a plasma sheath?
cosmic crest
Again, it would be awesome if we had weapon descriptions
young knoll
that is actually a real thing
there are patents for tank shells with plasma sheaths right now
gentle heart
Could be like mass effect with ultra small pellet projectiles accelerated to absurd speed. Explains why he doesn’t eject casing cause he’s not using bullets
That would generate a plasma sheath depending on shape and projectile speed
young knoll
the cooling needed for something to shoot a projectile fast enough to become plasma would be huge
I know this isn't supposed to be real life, but it is, like, 50 years in the future?
cosmic crest
Realistically, OW should take place in the 25th century or later
gentle heart
Zaryas particle cannon is called a particle cannon and not a laser, so we know they got some pretty advanced stuff working.
cosmic crest
the level of technology we see won't be achievable for centuries
young knoll
I mean, I guess it depends on what stuff is discovered about physics
peak escarp
that's why it's described as an optimistic future
young knoll
it is pretty reasonable to say that we will have plasma weapons pretty soon
and ai is pretty close by some estimate
s*
peak escarp
optimistically, we could advance technology to that level in 60 years, if the research was dedicated to it
cosmic crest
idk, it seems like a stretch to me
young knoll
by hard
be hard*
the plasma weapons and ai I think aren't that crazy
but shields would be a bit
cosmic crest
I think OW has a very utopian feel to it
young knoll
true
but it seems poverty still exists
which is kind of weird given some of the technology they have
cosmic crest
A utopian society is not exempt of problems, it just seems much grander in comparison to irl
peak escarp
politics and corruption still exist
cosmic crest
I still think I'd rather live in the OW universe than irl 😛
worthy rose
i think anyone would rl is not so good tbh lol
young knoll
do you mean utopian as in the aiming at utopia?
because I think a utopian society is a perfect one
young knoll
not trying to be pedantic, but I was just curious as to what you meant
I don't know, the threat of Omnics seems to be a rather pressing one
cosmic crest
the world in OW seems very advanced and better off compared to irl
young knoll
the ones that are fighting, at least
worthy rose
i guess numbani is a utopia
young knoll
not all
worthy rose
Is it even possible to become as advanced as the OW universe?
id like to live there but nowhere else really
peak escarp
it is still science fiction
young knoll
depends on of the laws of physics allow it
peak escarp
some parts will not be attainable
young knoll
if*
peak escarp
like hard light or manipulating black holes
worthy rose
How about becoming Reaper?
young knoll
resurrecting the dead?
peak escarp
or someone disintegrating into a cloud of cells
peak escarp
nobody in Overwatch has been resurrected
cosmic crest
not literally anyway
young knoll
so what did he mean, then?
worthy rose
what about talking gorilla
young knoll
probably given enough time
worthy rose
and the chronal accelerator
young knoll
no one understands time that well
worthy rose
Yeah thats probrably impossible
worthy rose
I just hope becoming Reaper one day is possible that would be great
the fact that reinhardt can't just throw his hammer and killing everyone despite it being a "rocket hammer"
peak escarp
so what did he mean, then?
@young knoll what
young knoll
I meant what did he mean by become reaper
worthy rose
Like being capable of teleporting,regenerating,and turning to wraith form
peak escarp
the science behind Reaper also seems more in the realm of science fiction
young knoll
teleporting I doubt
regenerating yes
turning to wraith form maybe if we get really good nanontechnology?
that would basically be killing and then resurrecting you each time though
wraith form is actually probably akin to what you would be like if teleported
with your particles disassembled and then reassembled at the destination
cosmic crest
oh god, not THAT debate XD
peak escarp
Reaper basically breaks his body down into individual cells, moves as a cloud of cells, then reassembles himself in a new location
young knoll
you would die, obviously, so you would need to download memories into the copy
peak escarp
which sounds impossible
young knoll
or you could just clone yourself at a new location and download memories into that
the same thing, basically
young knoll
or you could do things much more simply and download your consciousness into a computer, and be everywhere
peak escarp
it's similar to the Theseus' Ship debate
worthy rose
Seems like every OW tech is impossible
young knoll
right now, pretty much
ooh, hover technology
is that anti grav?
think what you could do with that
remove all friction, allowing infinite acceleration
they could populate the universe with that
peak escarp
young knoll
instead, flying cars
peak escarp
a lot of the technologies in Overwatch are extrapolations of emergent technologies that are being worked on today
nanobiology, cryogenics, using sound as a weapon/crowd supression
AI/robotics as a replacement for manufacturing
cosmic crest
One oversight, D'va's mech uses a fusion reactor, therefore it shouldn't be able to explode since fusion reactors aren't bombs
young knoll
I thought the short said it had a bomb?
peak escarp
they blow up the mech by overloading the fusion core
cosmic crest
You fucked up Blizzard, but I caught you 😛
peak escarp
maybe it's not straight fusion
young knoll
really pathetic explosion, too, for fusion
cosmic crest
as I just said, it shouldn't explode at all, so not really
pliant sparrow
What's the science behind fusion cores being unable to explode
pliant sparrow
That doesn't necessarily mean a fusion core can't explode or empower and explosion though does it?
pliant sparrow
peak escarp
In the magnetic approach, strong fields are developed in coils that are held in place mechanically by the reactor structure. Failure of this structure could release this tension and allow the magnet to "explode" outward. The severity of this event would be similar to any other industrial accident or an MRI machine quench/explosion, and could be effectively stopped with a containment building similar to those used in existing (fission) nuclear generators. The laser-driven inertial approach is generally lower-stress because of the increased size of the reaction chamber. Although failure of the reaction chamber is possible, simply stopping fuel delivery would prevent any sort of catastrophic failure.
the fusion reaction itself is not volatile, but the containment unit can be
pliant sparrow
Is it radioactive?
peak escarp
they intentionally overloaded the fusion reactor to make it explode
limpid agate
Which is what happened here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster
The torpedo room exploded
And by extention
The rest of the submarine
pliant sparrow
Wouldn't it pose a threat to the pilot to have a core that close to them?
Or is it not nuclear/contained?
peak escarp
it is contained
and according to wikipedia, if a fusion reaction isn't being constantly fueled, it's basically inert
limpid agate
A nuclear reactor overloading sounds like its just the reactor melting the rest of the factory, until it melts something that causes an explosion. ```
Three of the reactors at Fukushima I overheated because the cooling systems failed after a tsunami flooded the power station, causing core meltdowns. This was compounded by hydrogen gas explosions and the venting of contaminated steam that released large amounts of radioactive material into the air.[1]
Like, if it were to melt a hole in a pressurized tank
It would probably explode
pliant sparrow
Yeah usually that's what happens
limpid agate
So D.Va's self destruct could just be
The core overheating
And setting off all the micro missiles
And then a chain reaction blowing up the whole mech
pliant sparrow
Ah, sometimes it's a steam explosion cause by pressure building in the core
cosmic crest
fusion reactors aren't actually a thing yet irl
If they were that would be amazing
worthy rose
Nothing in OW is a thing irl
steel zenith
what about mccree
worthy rose
Maybe his flashbang i guess but thats about it
peak escarp
things in OW don't exist yet, but a lot of them are technologies that are being worked on
like fusion energy
or nanobiology, or sound-based weapons
cosmic crest
For fusion energy to be possible, a specific isotope of helium is needed. This isotope is only abundant on the moon, perhaps HLC is what makes fusion energy possible in the OW world
pliant sparrow
Sound based weapons already exist
But they're not as compact
And arguably much more dangerous
cosmic crest
Sound based weapons are one thing, but sound based healing? Now THAT'S far fetched.
worthy rose
Unlikely to ever happen
peak escarp
there's no evidence that he does heal in canon
cosmic crest
Is Lucio's dad dead?
worthy rose
Don't think so
cosmic crest
I thought maybe he was dead and Vishkar might of killed him
pliant sparrow
We don't know
cosmic crest
just a head cannon, I have a lot of those
pliant sparrow
cosmic crest
kind of hard not to with so many unanswered questions
peak escarp
all we know is that Lucio's dad was a Vishkar employee (and since they use past tense when talking about him, probably isn't anymore)
cosmic crest
maybe they just fired him and took his tech
I think them killing him would be more dramatic though
peak escarp
the tech might legally belong to Vishkar, depending on whatever contracts his father signed when employed by them
cosmic crest
God, we NEED some Lucio/Symmetra lore
worthy rose
We need more Reaper and Soldier lore
peak escarp
Vishkar might have rights to any intellectual properties their employees create
cosmic crest
@worthy rose at least we have some of that already
worthy rose
True but Reaper and Soldier are more important to the story
cosmic crest
I'd like to imagine they've fought at some point
Lucio probably would've won, since Vishkar is no longer in Rio (I think)
Would love a short story or an animated short were we see that
worthy rose
Symmetra doesnt seem like much a fighter i think most characters would stomp her
peak escarp
pliant sparrow
Don't underestimate the power of hard light
cosmic crest
She is basically a green lantern
peak escarp
I think the "occasional setbacks" the mayor mentions could be Lucio's rebellion
pliant sparrow
It's seriously powerful in the overwatch lore
cosmic crest
Admittedly, she would probably lose hand to hand though
pliant sparrow
Only characters I could see 'stomping' most characters are sigma and doom right now
In the lore
cosmic crest
Why do you think Sigma is so strong?
peak escarp
I also think Lucio's rebellion is mentioned in Sanjay's email to Guillermo Portero, CEO of Lumerico
I have conveyed the contents of our latest discussion with the executive directors and they are all in agreement in principle on the framework for a deal. Of course there will be a lot of discussion and communication in the coming days, but I am optimistic that we can reach a mutually beneficial understanding.
I understand your concerns over the recent press about our Rio de Janeiro development, however I can assure you that this is just a blip on the radar and that we are taking care of it. And of course, we are more than happy to keep our negotiations private until such time that you feel comfortable in discussing them with the public. And of course, we are more than happy to assist with smoothing over any conflicts that might come up in opposition of our proposals.
Sincerely,
Sanjay"```He's considered dangerous enough to be locked away in high security
He also has gravitational control
worthy rose
Sigma is featless in lore.We dont know how powerful his gravity powers is
pliant sparrow
Considering it seems to stem from a black hole, it's quite possible he's extremely powerful
cosmic crest
True, but he's not really combat trained
worthy rose
Yeah and people like Mccree or Reaper can shoot him before he can react
pliant sparrow
Combat training gets you nowhere when you cant physically move
peak escarp
we don't know how well he can control his powers in canon
pliant sparrow
Reaper is another exceedingly powerful character
I'm just going off of what sigma could possibly do
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
worthy rose
Yeah hes immensley powerful i think he could beat Winston in a rematch
peak escarp
De Kuiper continues to develop his powers in hopes of unlocking the secrets of the universe, unaware that Talon is using both him and his research.```Hmmm
cosmic crest
I still think Sombra poses the biggest threat overall
worthy rose
Reaper is keeping tabs on her so he might be prepared for what she might do
pliant sparrow
In combat sombra doesnt pose so much of a threat
cosmic crest
I think she is either an anti-hero that plays both sides, or the secret true villain of the whole story. The former seems more likely.
pliant sparrow
In terms of a general threat yeah sombra is up there
worthy rose
I hope shes not the true secret villain shes not as cool as Doom or Reaper
cosmic crest
@worthy rose I disagree, but to each their own
peak escarp
she doesn't have the ambition to be the true villian
pliant sparrow
Yes, but this is what they hypothetically could do if they wanted to
peak escarp
it does seem that way
cosmic crest
If it is true, what was in it for her?
There should be a comic about the two
Maybe she needs his talents
peak escarp
maybe he gave her something as a trade
or she helped him because Echo would be useful to her in the future
cosmic crest
🤔
peak escarp
we still don't know what McCree's "other business" is
I for one would love a McCree/Sombra teamup
cosmic crest
I imagine she gave him the intel for his assistance on some kind of mission
set before Reunion
I hate McCree in game. But in the lore I love him, he's such a goof
worthy rose
Mccree is both badass in game and lore.
worthy rose
Mccree is resourceful
cosmic crest
I think he strikes the perfect balance between goofy and badass
worthy rose
ashe is just better mccree change my mind
mccree doesnt have bob
Yeah with Bob Ashe would defeat Mccree but without she loses horribly
we need bob as hero 33
swift mason
Bob for president
worthy rose
Nah save it for OW 2
swift mason
I reckon it would be cool if bob had enough of ashe and just abandons her for overwatch
cosmic crest
We know that McCree and Ashe were never romantically involved which I think is kind of lame since that would explain their relationship easily, instead their relationship leaves more to explanation, explanation that we are not going to get any time soon.
worthy rose
I dont think were getting any lore anytime soon
swift mason
I think the most we'll get is just the reunion short
worthy rose
And ow2
swift mason
maybe a few things here and there, but its not the main priority
Overwatch has so many characters, it would be hard to balance them all out in one go, better to focus on more important people that contribute to the story of ow2, like the team itself
worthy rose
They should focus on Ow team and Talon
cosmic crest
We will probably see at least one other enemy group besides Talon and Null Sector in OW 2
Which one do we think?
swift mason
The junkers?
worthy rose
The deadlock gang?
cosmic crest
Maybe Los Muertos
limpid agate
Those are too small time
cosmic crest
Would have to be one with a lot of troops
limpid agate
Im expecting Helix, for multiple reasons
cosmic crest
Talon V Helix would be awesome
limpid agate
1 - Petras Act
2 - Gives an excuse to play as Talon and have someone to shoot against
Helix would be an antagonist to all playable parties
swift mason
Helix is just beta overwatch
worthy rose
helix wannabe
swift mason
Helix was the closest thing pharah had to joining overwatch
worthy rose
drugs
swift mason
Zen's heailing isn't canon
worthy rose
the iris
swift mason
its more of a metaphor in lore
lavish coyote
oh
worthy rose
probs got something to do with the iris
worthy rose
zenyattas cult
lavish coyote
or a more buddhist thing
worthy rose
yeah
swift mason
A religion
worthy rose
its like
limpid agate
@worthy rose Dont post random answers
If you don't know the answer
@lavish coyote The canon excuse they gave was "Omnic Energies," but what they are capable of is still unknown
lavish coyote
oh
limpid agate
All we know is:
- The orbs physically exist and can float (Not special, there are floating rocks in Japan and Korea)
- Discord Orb is not canon
- Zenyatta is capable of healing
swift mason
It's more of a spiritual healing though, right?
cosmic crest
I doubt it's spiritual in nature
swift mason
Its confusing because some interactions in game aren't canon
worthy rose
but most of the ingame interactions arent canon
lavish coyote
i love all of moiras interactions
she’s just so honest
and sticks to her morality or lack thereof
limpid agate
The interactions and canonity is not a blanket "not canon" or "canon"
What they are is, what people would say if they were in a given situation
If Mercy and Zenyatta were to interact, and Mercy witnessed Zenyatta's healing capability
swift mason
Yeah
limpid agate
She would ask how it works
lavish coyote
ohhhh i get it
swift mason
We don't even get a clear explanation of how mercy's healing works either, but we got close in the short story valkyrie
the girl she was healing thought it was some sort of nano tech
but it never gets fully explained
cosmic crest
It probably greatly increases cell regeneration or something
I imagine in the lore it would be ineffective against deeper or more severe injuries
swift mason
And i don't think ressurecting people from the dead would work in lore either, unless its exlained
swift mason
Oh that makes sense
cosmic crest
I must say, I'm rather disappointed with Moira and Mercy's interactions
I thought Moira would be more bitter towards her, since they are basically opposites
And I think Mercy would play a large role in Moira being fired from OW since she was the head of medical
iron plume
Blackwatch didn't answer to the medical division
And even if Moira is secretly pissed, she wouldn't lash out on Mercy
because she wants her in Oasis/presumably Talon
swift mason
or at least her tech
cosmic crest
Yes that's what I'm saying, I figured she'd be more bitter and not offer her a seat like that
iron plume
she has her motives
swift mason
Even mad scientists have their patience
iron plume
and I don't see why she'd be bitter
moira and mercy having a personal grudge is purely fanon
swift mason
Moira is just talon mercy
iron plume
Mercy has a huge fucking issue with Moira's methods
it's reason enough without needing to be personal
swift mason
'Describing your work as unethical, would be a kindness'
iron plume
And Moira thinks Mercy's restraints as a waste
cosmic crest
Moira is Mercy's antithesis, cares only for progress and little for human lives
iron plume
but there's no reason it would make her angry
Moira sees herself as ultimately right and thus thinks Mercy just doesn't see her point yet
being bitter wouldn't help that
cosmic crest
I just think a dynamic between the two would be interesting
iron plume
I think the dynamic they do have is more interesting than petty bitterness
cosmic crest
idk
worthy rose
Will Ow lore ever end?
limpid agate
I thought Moira would be more bitter towards her, since they are basically opposites
Moira respects science.
And Mercy is an esteemed scientist
She just doesn't care about the same ethical limitations that Mercy does.
Mercy doesn't like Moira or her contributions, but Moira respects Mercy's contributions.
cosmic crest
Do we think Moira wares an eye piece because she's scarred from her self-experimentation?
peak escarp
not sure
cosmic crest
seems likely to me
worthy rose
@cosmic crest So it might be like marvel comics and the lore never ends?
worthy rose
that would be awesome
atomic cosmos
i just know that recall,alive,hero,dragons timeline is same day
cosmic crest
@atomic cosmos Where did you learn that? Seems like a stretch
They happened around the same time, but on the same day? That's improbable.
cosmic crest
That's really weird
dapper haven
It also says Dragons takes place around the same time as recall
atomic cosmos
i was reading gamepedia
cosmic crest
Gun laws in the UK must be different in the OW world, since Tracer just carries her pistols on her.
After the London uprising, that's not too surprising.
Also, I just realised Alive and Recall can't take place on the same day since Tracer says to Widow "Trying to crash another party love?" in reference to the cinematic trailer.
atomic cosmos
hmmm...i still don't get it when cinematic trailer take time
cosmic crest
After Recall at least
atomic cosmos
maybe
but the thing is DF gauntlet is there
while a DF gauntlet is also on numbani
dapper haven
Its not anymore
atomic cosmos
soo DF gauntlet is transfered to numbani museum after that incident ?
dapper haven
It was removed around the buildup to Doom's release, iirc
atomic cosmos
yeah i know
well i was thinking '' cinematic trailer '' is not canon..dunno if that true or not
dapper haven
grand wedge
Probably not just days
I’d say weeks
What Michael said that it was around the time of recall
Which could mean days or weeks or even few month
atomic cosmos
right thanks for clearing it up im really confused back then
grand wedge
"Blizzard soon" since August 2019
pliant sparrow
Still wonder what bastions fuel source is
cosmic crest
He must be self sustaining
peak escarp
it's very unlikely that Dragons and Hero happen on the same day
since Dragons appears to happen in the spring (due to the presence of cherry blossoms) and Hero probably happens in October (Los Muertos are setting up for the riot on Nov 1st)
limpid agate
@worthy rose Zen lore will be in Overwatch 2. He is in India for some reason we will learn in Overwatch 2.
topaz grotto
the fact its dark in Alive probably mean that was in winter, as it gets dark about 8pm-6pm during winter, and unless they decided to hold that conference at 10pm, then it would probably be in the winter season
limpid agate
We don't know how weather works in the Overwatch world. Just that is anomalous
peak escarp
you can see the time on the clock
Tracer and Widow's fight takes place around 5-5:15pm
vestal marlin
Keep in mind timezones. If it was 5pm in London, it was around 1am in Japan. Plus London is a pretty cold area in general, right? People still dress up in wintery clothes in spring sometimes. It's a possibility, but I doubt it happened at the same time.
peak escarp
apparently there are lines in foreign dubs that indicated Alive and Recall happen on the same night, but they aren't heard in the English version
grand wedge
it's like the 2042 perta's act that was heard in some other languages, but not the original. And was confirmed a mistake. When in doubt, trust the english version is the rule, right?
peak escarp
right
atomic cosmos
what language is it ?
cosmic crest
2042? That would be INCREDIBLY optimistic
peak escarp
also nowhere near the "something like 60 years in the future" we were given
grand wedge
it was in french (and i think 2 or 3 other dub)
but it was confirmed by Michael Chu that the shorts with the date were wrong
atomic cosmos
it was amazing then talon operate two big operation at the same time
operation for information about where are ex-overwatch agent
and for assasination of mondatta
atomic cosmos
yeah
cosmic crest
Alive and Recall couldn't of taken place at the same time because Tracer references the cinematic trailer during Alive which must take place in-between.
Recall -> Cinematic trailer -> Alive
peak escarp
that does seem likely
atomic cosmos
yeah i think the animation script writer kinda messed up or michael chu messed up with timeline between recall and alive
grand wedge
the timeline was a bit messd up until they decided to cancel first strike
they must have realised it at some point the timeline and ages were not consistent
grand wedge
yes - about how overwatch was founded and with Amari, Reyes, Morrison, Rein, Torb as the protagonists
but when you look at the old art, Rein was already old (white hair)
and there are artworks used in some early cinematics that are wrong in term of age
like this one :
Jack Ana and Garbiel there should look older
atomic cosmos
ana have silver hair like on her comic ?
atomic cosmos
and look at that mccree his apperances look like when he was still on deadlock gang ?
so young i mean
limpid agate
Jet Pack Cat is the only hero to be confirmed never going to happen
sojourn is also hero 33
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
worthy rose
Or 34
limpid agate
Final warning