They gave him a lab and I think is used as a super weapon some times
#lore-discussion
fathom tartan
swift mason
But he doesn't know it due to his condition
fathom tartan
Yeah
fathom tartan
If ow got a hold of him they might help him
worthy rose
tbf
fathom tartan
Wait
fathom tartan
Could mercy fix sig
swift mason
Winston knows sigma, he's been on the moonbase
worthy rose
im trying to think of a happy backstory
fathom tartan
Like tracer was literally a time aberration
worthy rose
brigitte?
fathom tartan
Idk
swift mason
Winston's father figure was killed
fathom tartan
Not much background for her
worthy rose
hammond's is happy
swift mason
I guess
worthy rose
he became the champion of junkertown
swift mason
Soon
fathom tartan
We dont know much about zarya and zen
sly knot
every time zen
worthy rose
zen lore next year
worthy rose
zen lore never
sly knot
no u
swift mason
When jeff says zen lore soon, he means in a year from now
fathom tartan
I think he's going to be big in ow2
fathom tartan
Because the iris
fathom tartan
Everything leads to the iris
sly knot
excuse you
swift mason
I reckon zen and tracer will talk about mondatta
sly knot
zen is best healer (for me)
swift mason
i see you like zen
fathom tartan
Sombra is going to probably get to zen aswell as tracer at some point and genji
Everything leads to the iris
worthy rose
i'm hoping sombra makes a big impact in overwatch
swift mason
But if baptise joins overwatch, he could tell sombra to stop
fathom tartan
The big web sombra has the iris is in the middle
swift mason
They were friends
sly knot
im hoping zen makes a big impact in overwatch 2
sly knot
hes a good healer ngl
sly knot
nop
fathom tartan
Yes
fathom tartan
Unless ana stops it
swift mason
Too bad his healing isn't canon
fathom tartan
Mercy's is
swift mason
yea that's obvious
sly knot
but not all the time
worthy rose
i feel mercy has no personality
fathom tartan
She is captain of the sea
sly knot
ikr
worthy rose
generic
sly knot
i play ana ofc
swift mason
She's an orphan
fathom tartan
Where is tracer's parents
swift mason
The omnics arent
swift mason
Efi is probably orphan
fathom tartan
Ye
sly knot
mabyee
fathom tartan
She is daughter of elon musk
sly knot
LOL
sly knot
im reading it
fathom tartan
If I have to read a ow book I'll cry
I'm too lazy to read the shorts
I want the comic format back
swift mason
I never read books, but this is an exception
sly knot
i always read books
swift mason
Overwatch is the only exception to anything
grand wedge
@swift mason no Efi has a mother
sly knot
when will ov come out
swift mason
The short stories are good
sly knot
ov2*
swift mason
probably next year
fathom tartan
Wait
grand wedge
It depends
fathom tartan
You don't have ow
fathom tartan
Sad
sonic sleet
You can buy OW now
sly knot
im broke ;-;
grand wedge
Then wait
sonic sleet
It's $20 for standard on PC
swift mason
Ow2 will eventually merge with teh first one
grand wedge
There are some price reduction some time
sly knot
i would get it on ps4
grand wedge
During free weekend trials
fathom tartan
Ow2 probably wont be released till next gen consoles arrive
swift mason
Or until this whole pandemic thing blows over
Fox did you read my concept for a story mission, it's ok if you didn't
probably far gone now
sly knot
can i send pic's here?
swift mason
If it's lore related, yes
grand wedge
You have to have a role for that
sly knot
i cri
grand wedge
You can send links
swift mason
I discussed earlier that he could die
sly knot
y
swift mason
he could make a sacrifice to save everyone, just like his friend did
sly knot
oh ye
swift mason
It makes perfect sense for his character arc
sly knot
in honor and glory
swift mason
it would be very dramatic if he were to die in the story
subtle geyser
maybe they dont know about her?
iron plume
She's busy with the Russian army
plus Zarya's views on omnics likely don't jive too well with new OW's
grand wedge
Zarya dislike Overwatch - and I think whole Russia didn't like Overwatch very much
fathom tartan
No
Like when overwatch was first created they sent invites to several of the big operations nation's had dealing with omnics
Why wouldn't zarya or one of those huge mech pilots be recruited
grand wedge
Overwatch didn't fight in Russia during the Omnic Crisis - the Russian Army dealt with the Omnium themselves.
And why I say she doesn't like Overwatch, is mostly because of her kill quote : "Overwatch is not wanted here. " when she kills an Overwatch agent on Volskaya.
And :
Zarya: Russia has no need for Overwatch assistance.
Winston: Overwatch made mistakes in the past, I hope we can fix them.
iron plume
Several countries didn't join up with OW
also:
when it was first created, Zarya wasn't a fighter
and MEKA didn't exist
Zarya fights in the second wave of the crisis, once the omnium reawakened
grand wedge
Yeah, it's pretty recent
iron plume
she might've been depending on the exact timing
but either that or she was very young
either way not fighting age
grand wedge
Aleksandra was born in a remote Siberian village that was on the front lines of the Omnic Crisis, which began some thirty years ago. Although Russian forces defeated the robots and shut down their omnium, the region was devastated by the conflict. Only a child at the time, Aleksandra was surrounded by the post-war destruction, and as she grew older, she swore that she would gain the strength to help her people recover.
Yeah, she was a child.
swift mason
I think she's 29
iron plume
she's 28
grand wedge
28
iron plume
!!loreheroes zarya
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/zarya#story
spark scaffold
grand wedge
!!loreheroes reaper
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/reaper#story
fathom tartan
So
Blackwatch
Why in the world would they have such shady people on a strike team
The least shady person was Reyes
Genji- a former shamda gangster
Mcree-a former member of the deadlock gang
Moria-known for her inhummain experiments
Why would you put those people on a team
iron plume
For McCree and Genji it was explicitly about redemption
and they were presumably on a tight leash for a start
McCree was vouched for by Reyes and Genji made a deal to take down the Shimadas
Moira is more iffy, which is why Reyes likely kept her secret
but she was deemed to valuable
iron plume
we don't know
iron plume
it was displaced
fathom tartan
Imagine the Roman's finding a high tech plane
A jet for that matter
Or was it made into tracers cool bike
These are the questions I want reveled
Imagine a open world ow game
Woudl be cool
Main characters being rein brig and tracer
iron plume
why would they be the main ones even if it was
swift mason
I'd expect winston and tracer at least being one of the main characters in an open world game
fathom tartan
I don't actually expect a open world ow game thought
Just think if be cool to ride around on tracer's bike
*I'd
valid terrace
If there was an open world game you’d likely play as some sort of Echo model, so you can be whoever without interrupting the story
Sounds weird for Overwatch though
Also Zarya isn’t in new Overwatch because they are all ex-Overwatch agents regrouping with the exception of Brig who obviously comes with Rein
worthy rose
My theory is that Genji is actually a ninja who spams I need healing, and he is under your bed.
iron plume
!!shitposting
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
finite epoch
This is kinda a stretch but I think that lucio and dva have no lore because they are actually under cover agents from blackwatch or talon (at the time) and have their memories wiped by someone
iron plume
...
You know that they, like
remember things, right?
and we know what happened, from them
we just haven't seen it expanded upon
finite epoch
Idk, ive always thought that there must have been some reason why lucio and dva werent given lore
It might just be that they are young up and coming heros tho, since all the other heros are either new, or have a tragic backstory
gentle heart
Revolutionary dj and mecha pilot e girl is zero lore? We got a freaking dvs cinematic
iron plume
They're not "given lore" because they're not directly connected to overwatch
and the story so far has largely been about the past organization
grand wedge
She is 19 - there isn't much to dive into - instead of the old crew that are all around 60 y/o
iron plume
and even if they had none whatsoever, that would be an incredibly stupid explanation
finite epoch
I know
gentle heart
My main lore questions are stuff like which heroes would realistically have stronger melees than others, which heroes are nerfed from their lore abilities in game, and how much ammo would each hero actually have.
iron plume
which heroes are nerfed from their lore abilities in game
all of them
except maybe zenyatta and lucio
but we don't know the extent of their powers that don't directly translate to combat
finite epoch
yeah, i think they balanced stuff out to actually make the game playable
gentle heart
Dva and Pharah would have a lot more flight time, Rheinhart hammer and firestrikes are nerfed as heck because they were oneshotting bastion units in cinematics.
lament prawn
stuff like how much ammo they have or how strong their hits are are the type of flexible things that will change depending on what plot point theyre pushing, or to have a better looking cinematic. if they have a shot of tracer shooting, and having her shoot for like half a second past her actual ammo count will make the animation look better, then they'll do that
finite epoch
yeah, i think that most of the changes arent so that their abilities are identical to their cinematics or whatever, its just to make the game some what fair for each hero
cosmic crest
Gameplay doesn't always translate to lore. Things like health and ult charge obviously don't exist in-universe
gentle heart
Yeah, but it does mean that inconsistencies develope where soldier 76 melees exactly as hard as dva in and out of meka. I just think it’s funny
cosmic crest
I doubt Mercy can literally raise the dead, it's likely more akin to a revival in-universe
gentle heart
I guess ow2 trailer shows what her actual Rez looks like when she heals mei
grand wedge
she bring Mei "back in the fight"
cosmic crest
yeah, exactly
grand wedge
Technically, a doctor can make your heart go again - but as in - a hospital setting, not a battlfield
I like how in OW2 - when the characters "die" on the PVE mission, it's more like they have a knee on the ground and can't get up
it's more fitting and logical i think
cosmic crest
The only mystical element in OW is Hanzo and Genji's dragons
grand wedge
They also removed the soul orbs from Reaper
cosmic crest
I think Reaper's life steal is the same as Moira's, it's just different in gameplay
since they both have the same genetic augmentations
grand wedge
Yeah, the rework happenend before Moira came IG if i remember correctly
it's more fitting and less mystical
finite epoch
And then there's ana's sleep dart.
Is it a hacking code or a chemical that causes you to sleep
iron plume
it's chemical
since she tries it on reaper
iron plume
☝️
finite epoch
yeah true
iron plume
same reason Hack disables soldier running or mccree taking a tumble
finite epoch
yeah
gentle heart
And omnics and meka and not bob anymore
iron plume
it does work on bob
that never made it out of ptr
finite epoch
Ok i was like, am i going crazy
finite epoch
k
cosmic crest
I think Liao made both of them
finite epoch
ah ok
I was wondering
cuz I thought that the symbol on echo's forehead was athena's symbol
grand wedge
Liao worked on Echo after woking on "Project Athena" - so yes, since she is an AI specialist, she must be the one who created Athena
fathom tartan
What exactly is athena
iron plume
an AI
fathom tartan
She kinda seems like a data base too though
cosmic crest
I think in universe Sombra is the most powerful character, since she seems to keep tabs on everyone
Information is power, after all
fathom tartan
Yes
But heavy weaponry is also power
And sombra is only one persona after all
@peak escarp I think he's trolling
cosmic crest
Why would it have been soldier?
frosty shell
i mean, theoretically but probably not
peak escarp
he wasn't
fathom tartan
Who else has plus rifles and a picture of mcree
peak escarp
Deadlock gang
fathom tartan
Why would the deadlock gang have plus rifles
peak escarp
because they robbed a military train
peak escarp
why would Soldier be hunting McCree?
fathom tartan
To find him
Idk
It could of been reaper since reaper was hunting ow members to take them out
peak escarp
the train wreck on Route 66 has been there since 2016 but we only found out what happened in 2018
fathom tartan
Yeah
Also dunno if it was you I was talking to but I'm pretty sure the slipstream is in the ow museum
If that cinematic is even cannon
peak escarp
the cinematic is canon
glad socket
which character is more likely to catch an STD lore wise?
glad socket
why?
fathom tartan
Seems like he gets around
peak escarp
why is this even a question?
peak escarp
probably not
fathom tartan
Makes sense
peak escarp
a lot of the early art is incorrect
showing heroes together who weren't members of Overwatch
or getting ages wrong
fathom tartan
Yeah
peak escarp
they didn't realize what they wanted to do with the lore until about Fall of 2016
dapper haven
I highly doubt soldier would've been hunting McCree. Blackwatch are the ones who took him in after giving him a choice of joining them or going to jail iirc
And Jesse was security for Liao while she worked on Echo
silver meteor
is there any confirmed year reinhardt was born
peak escarp
60 years before Recall
grand wedge
there is no dates in OW, just "xx years ago" and ages
silver meteor
micheal chu said it takes place 60 years into the future
peak escarp
there are theories on what the current year is in Overwatch, but nothing confirmed
(my guess is 2073)
grand wedge
but they said that every year since 2014 so... ^^
limpid agate
I suspected 2076 because of Soldier's jacket. But they seem to have made him historically Soldier 76 for some reason
peak escarp
it not 60 years from 2016
its "something like" 60 years from 2014
60 has never been an exact number
silver meteor
the only reason i want to know is because there is an interaction with rein and lucio where rein talks about listening to the classics like hasselhoff
but if rein is born in like 2015 wouldent classics to him be like justin beibers baby?
limpid agate
Do you consider things like Mozart, BB King, or Black Sabbath to be classics?
peak escarp
Hasselhoff is always a classic
limpid agate
On a retro 2010s radio station, it would probably see play
But whether or not Bieber is considered classic pop
Hasselhoff would also be a classic
silver meteor
what if people in the 2070s are talking about how beiber will always be a classic
peak escarp
Rein is also German, and Germans love Hasselhoff
silver meteor
that is true aswell
you think lucio ever got insparation from despacito
its just something i think about
limpid agate
No
peak escarp
I dont think today's music will be relevant in 60 years
silver meteor
you never know
winter mirage
that would be sureeal
peak escarp
how much music from the 1960s do you hear today?
winter mirage
imagine being 100 and hearing people jam to despacito
limpid agate
I think a big difference between 1960 and 2020 is the ease of production and access of music
But there are quite a few 1960 artists that are still well known or made famous songs that still see play
silver meteor
i feel like this same conversation happend 60 years ago
limpid agate
Rolling Stones, Beach Boys, Beegees, Beatles, I think that's when Elvis died
Grateful Dead and Simon and Garfunkle are also probably from around then?
Also the Winstons and Pink Floyd
winter mirage
I mean, most people probaby know those bands today
But it's definatly not as popular
silver meteor
and in 60 years their gonna be talking about 1 direction and kpop
maybe i dont want to think about the future anymore
winter mirage
I really hope that's not the part of this generation that gets remembered
limpid agate
Sounds like what people said about the punk or hippie bands in decades past
But moving back to Overwatch
silver meteor
i just want to see how theyre gonna incorporate existing characters into the lore
like zaryas story barely has to do anything with any other character in the game
peak escarp
not all of the heroes will get tied into the main plot
some will have their own plots, like Ana and Soldier, or Zarya
silver meteor
what do you think theyll do with hanzo
peak escarp
depends if he decides to "pick a side" like Genji suggested
he needs to figure himself out
lament prawn
he might make a cool late entrance, and make for some good genji/hanzo combo scenes
limpid agate
No he isnt
weary gale
Who more?
weary gale
Or like Baptiste eye
peak escarp
you mean Ana?
limpid agate
Because Baptiste is just a normal dude wearing expensive equipment
weary gale
I was looking a specific bap skin
limpid agate
Its not canon
limpid agate
In that case:
Ashe, Baptiste, Brigitte, D.Va, Hanzo, Lucio, Mei, Mercy, Pharah, Reinhardt, Roadhog, and Zarya are mostly just normal humans, as far as we know.
No cybernetic enhancements
peak escarp
Ana is normal now, but formerly had a cybernetic eye
limpid agate
No prosthetics
weary gale
Thanks
limpid agate
Yeah Ana is normal now, but she used to have a cybernetic eye
peak escarp
are we counting the plate on Moira's face?
limpid agate
Im counting the fact that she can turn herself into mist
And fucked up her arm
She experiments on herself
peak escarp
oh - I thought the list was specifically for prosthetics
limpid agate
I also left out genetic enhancements
Or other super powers
Like Reaper, Tracer, Soldier, Sigma
Widowmaker
weary gale
How did Reaper got that powers? Because I heard a a conversation between Moira and Reaper about how Reaper doing with those new powers
limpid agate
Moira did it. Mostly
peak escarp
Moira experimented on him
weary gale
Oh
limpid agate
He was part of the super soldier program before, so he was already enhanced
Moira just experimented on him further
weary gale
And my last question, Soldier is like a cyborg so he can't take out the visor or is just like a mask?
peak escarp
it
silver meteor
same
silver meteor
but when ana nanoboosts bastion she uses the female pronoun which i found odd
but yeah its just a robot
silver meteor
theyd use the male version for gender neutral
i am arab but you could use either but people prefer the male in gender neutral
just something i found odd and neat
peak escarp
maybe Blizzard just wanted to be different
peak escarp
I think however he lost it, it's not a coincidence that it was the arm that had the Deadlock tattoo
fathom tartan
Ashe didn't seem to know much about it thought
Oh
Could he of cut it off himself?
As to cut that from his life
peak escarp
there are easier ways to remove a tattoo
fathom tartan
Yeah
But he's an outlaw
Not any good ways to go to a tat shop when you have a huge bounty on your head
peak escarp
an outlaw who knew one of the top doctors in the world
fathom tartan
He didn't wanna show his face that much
peak escarp
I dont think he cut off his own arm
fathom tartan
It's a stretch but 🤷♂️
You already read my idea on if he coulda lost it the big swiss explosion
All I imagine the swiss explosion being is Reyes got super mad and ment to punch a wall but accidentally hit propanin or something explosive
limpid agate
You already read my idea on if he coulda lost it the big swiss explosion
I don't think that's what they were suggesting at all
Especially since
McCree explicitly left Overwatch before the incident
To avoid having to choose a side
peak escarp
if McCree wanted to remove the tattoo, he could have just scarred it up or got it laser removed (I'm sure outlaws have their own sketchy tattoo parlors)
my guess is that someone who didn't like him having that tattoo (either a rival gang or other outlaws or maybe the original Deadlock Rebels) had something to do with it
lavish elm
Maybe another one of the original rebels @peak escarp ? Potential new hero
dapper haven
I hope ow2 tells us or hints at what happened
limpid agate
I don't think he will be in OW2.
My predicted list of characters absent from Overwatch 2's story are:
Ana, Ashe, Junkrat, McCree, Pharah^, Roadhog, Sigma, Soldier 76, Hammond, Zarya
limpid agate
Because why would they appear
They have their own story and mission
And Soldier opposes the Recall
fathom tartan
If your gonna show nows the time
limpid agate
@lavish elm Source? That's news to me
lavish elm
He was all like at blizzcon: I wonder what’s going on with mccree
fathom tartan
Mcree mostly likely will run into hog and junk
limpid agate
We will probably see more of them. Just not in the campaign
McCree might end up getting a short story
fathom tartan
You might be underestimating the size of the story
lavish elm
I just hope he is in the story
fathom tartan
I don't imagine I to be short or it all to be out at once
lavish elm
A short would be nice though now you put that idea in my head @limpid agate
peak escarp
the Null Sector arc will be covered by OW2, and won't involve every hero
fathom tartan
Like perhaps new missions every once in awile
limpid agate
Yes.
peak escarp
other arcs may come after and involve other heroes
limpid agate
If they release stuff about them post-launch
Fine
But that's not OW2's core campaign
fathom tartan
That's what we have rn but other misson will probably be added
lavish elm
I know I just shortened it sorry
limpid agate
Im sure every hero will appear in story missions in 1 or 2 years
But the main campaign
Won't have every hero
fathom tartan
Iris seems like it will have a place
dapper haven
Hopefully there will be more story content, even if its in the form of dlc
dapper haven
Will there still be archives missions and will they be identical between ow1 and 2?
peak escarp
we don't know if Archives will stick around when OW2 comes out
limpid agate
Archives will likely be replaced by a new event
peak escarp
it's probably the first event to get changed
limpid agate
They said not all events would be returning to OW2
dapper haven
Wasnt there a cancelled ow novel?
limpid agate
Graphic Novel yes
fathom tartan
I hope they add the archives missions permanently
dapper haven
Adding them to the workshop would be nice
fathom tartan
Has he ever talked on here
limpid agate
I have no way of knowing
If he does, his account isn't "JoshuaNoh"
He is also not a writer
Which has nothing to do with lore
He does gameplay. I'm pretty sure he made Echo.
fathom tartan
No the joshengen
limpid agate
I have no idea who that is
And its also not a writer
So its not relevant to this channel
dapper haven
In the Blizzard role
fathom tartan
Yeah
dapper haven
He's sent 15 messages in the server
fathom tartan
Then say something to talk about
dapper haven
Is Genji's body itself different in ow2
limpid agate
Probably not, no
fathom tartan
No
peak escarp
I'd like to know more about the circumstances around Genji meeting Zenyatta
fathom tartan
Just a sweet hoodie
dapper haven
His fingers look slightly different and theres a mark that isnt there on his arm in the ow2 render
peak escarp
where did it happen? how did it go? Genji's bio says Genji wasn't very receptive at first, but Zen was persistent
fathom tartan
Hm
Do you think genji even wanted the second chance at first
He was just killed by his brother
peak escarp
he did agree to being cyberized
peak escarp
they saved his life first, got him stable
dapper haven
As Genji's injuries left him clinging to life, Overwatch offered to rebuild his body in exchange for his help
peak escarp
then they offered to cyberize him in exchange for his help taking down the Shimada
dapper haven
He wasnt just a torso, head and arm. The rest of his body was just irreparably damaged
peak escarp
all we know is he couldn't walk, and was near death
peak escarp
that's what happens when you lose a swordfight
dapper haven
Genji seems to hint at being stabbed in the back though
peak escarp
with a yakuza heir
dapper haven
Doesn't he say "I learnt that from my brother" when he kills someone from behind
fathom tartan
Damn
A cheap shot is fucked up
But hanzo probably knew genji was a better swordsman
Hanzo seems to prefer bows
peak escarp
he gave up the sword after what happened
fathom tartan
Oh
dapper haven
Gonna assume the scars on the blackwatch skin are from Hanzo then?
fathom tartan
Yes
Safe assumption
Man
Why cant they make the archives permanent while we wait for ow2
I like PvE
Also question
What exactly are the "god" programs
dapper haven
What
peak escarp
Anubis
peak escarp
no
Anubis is the only one
"God program" is more of a colloquial term describing Anubis than a designation for a class of AIs.
worthy rose
who created anubis?
peak escarp
the Omnica Corporation is the company that made omnics
and probably other AI programs
thanks to Dr. Mina Liao
fathom tartan
Doom
Is the thing he said about god programs being able to take over other comics and machines
peak escarp
what thing who said?
peak escarp
Anubis can
peak escarp
we see it in the comic Mission Statement
peak escarp
it's possible that the Iris is an AI of some kind that the Shambali misunderstood
but Zen isn't being controlled
he has free will
fathom tartan
He "embarrasses" the iris
peak escarp
embraces
embrace means to take or receive gladly or eagerly; accept willingly
doesn't mean he's being controlled
any more than the worshippers of any faith are being controlled by their deities
fathom tartan
Yeah but I meant not like actual irl religons place
And the shambali are smaller more of a cult
The iris dose seem to be really important though
Dosent sombra's web lead to the iris
peak escarp
maybe
we don't know if the Iris and Sombra's Eye are the same thing
but they could be
limpid agate
The iris is a god program
@fathom tartan The Iris is not a God Program. It is not controlling Zenyatta or the Shambali
valid dust
Which playable character has the least impact on the lore
limpid agate
Sigma
cosmic crest
Wrecking ball, easily
peak escarp
you could remove Sigma from the story and nothing would change
cosmic crest
I think Sigma has more potential in the narrative than Hammond does
limpid agate
That wasn't the question
They asked who has the least impact.
Hammond as a character is at least mentioned prominently in HLC and Junkertown, and is the reigning champ of the gladitorial arena
The only acknowledgements of Sigma's existence is his bio.
cosmic crest
Hammond has some backstory yes, but in the present he's currently doing nothing
limpid agate
That wasn't the question
fathom tartan
Lucio
peak escarp
Lucio will have a big impact on the story in OW2
fathom tartan
Ig
cosmic crest
Lucio has his own story, it's just that Blizzard seems adamant in not showing it to us
peak escarp
we've been told Lucio's story
cosmic crest
I mean, showing it to us outside of a bio
peak escarp
there's not much to show
peak escarp
he was a musician, he led a rebellion, and got famous
limpid agate
That's a big impact
If you deleted Hammond's existence, you would need to edit 2 maps.
If you deleted Sigma's existence, nothing changes
cosmic crest
idk, I guess I just think Sigma is more interesting than Hammond
valid dust
I was thinking ashe when i asked the question I know realize that deleting her edits a map and deletes a character
Now*
I have problems with typos
atomic cosmos
soo which doomfist that murder his master to get the gauntlet ?
grand wedge
@atomic cosmos the actual doomfist did
valid dust
Thats why i said deletes a character, but yeah mccree gets affected too
grand wedge
Akande Ogundimu
peak escarp
not likely
fathom tartan
Just every time I look at young Jack I'm reminded of the teen from the museum
peak escarp
considering Jack is a gay man, I highly doubt he ever had kids
limpid agate
And there is 0 chance he has an illegitimate child
dapper haven
Yeah
fathom tartan
There was no need to make him gay
dapper haven
I don't mind the fact that he's gay, but there really wasnt any reason to. Its never referenced anywhere else, unlike Tracer and her relationship
peak escarp
they had to show that he was incapable of committing to a relationship due to his obsession with duty
fathom tartan
Because he's been single
peak escarp
gay or straight wouldn't have made a difference
the important takeaway is that he is so dedicated to his mission that he has no room in his life for anyone
fathom tartan
Would be better to make him ace then
limpid agate
They made him gay to give him another opposite with Reaper
What the hell does ace mean
fathom tartan
Asexual
limpid agate
I have literally never heard ace used to mean that
peak escarp
if he was asexual then it wouldn't be a burden
limpid agate
^
fathom tartan
He doesn't seem burdened by it
peak escarp
we the audience are supposed to see it as a burden
and he seems like he wanted to have a relationship/regrets not being able to
limpid agate
He doesn't seem burdened by it
Did you read Bastet?
fathom tartan
No :(
peak escarp
give him.” Jack sighed. “We both knew that I could never
put anything above my duty. Everything I fought for was to
protect people like him… That’s the sacrifice I made.”
“Relationships don’t work out so well for us, do they?”
Ana said, unconsciously running her thumb over where her
wedding ring used to be.
“At least you and Gabe managed to have families.”
The pair lapsed back into silence.```Read Bastet.
cosmic crest
Do we think Ana was divorced?
fathom tartan
I have the skin
cosmic crest
I think she was, that's my theory
limpid agate
It sounds more like she made Sam a Widower
peak escarp
it's possible Jack could have had a happy relationship with someone if he could find someone willing to put Jack's mission first
but few people are willing to put up with that
cosmic crest
Well, she doesn't seem eager to tell him that she is alive
fathom tartan
Emily
dapper haven
What about her
cosmic crest
I like to imagine Tracer and Emily met after Overwatch fell
fathom tartan
Okay
cosmic crest
It was Tracer's way of coping
fathom tartan
I wonder if we'll see those kids in ow3
gentle heart
The person tragedy of putting the mission first. I’m really impressed that Tracer manages to maintain a relationship when S76 failed. Do you think she saw his example and worked to avert that?
fathom tartan
*ow2
dapper haven
I wonder if we'll see some interaction between tracer and Emily. Like maybe even a call between the two
peak escarp
fathom tartan
How dose rein not have kids
cosmic crest
Never found the right partner maybe...
peak escarp
he was the quirky uncle to Torbjorn's family
fathom tartan
Yeah
Perhaps he didn't want kids
People who dont want kids are always quirky aunt and uncles
gentle heart
Would ow returning strain her relationship with Emily? They’ve gotten used to a few years without active missions.
fathom tartan
Iv thought about that alot
fathom tartan
Mabey emily knows she can't stop tracer from doing that thought tracer lives to help others
peak escarp
she seems cool with Winston though
limpid agate
Emily seems fine with it
fathom tartan
I doubt emily would wanan hold her back from what tracer loves even if it could have tracer killed
limpid agate
Reflections takes place after Recall
Maybe after the cinematic trailer too. I forget
cosmic crest
How has Tracer not been arrested yet? She's essentially a vigilante
fathom tartan
Emily hero idea she steals one of the suits of armor in the ow museum because she is worried and misses tracer
dapper haven
Is Tracers accelerator in her ow2 design going to be any different in terms of functionality in the lore
cosmic crest
@fathom tartan not every character needs to be a hero
fathom tartan
Yeah just and idea
limpid agate
Not all ideas are good
cosmic crest
Just like in real life, we need normal people
fathom tartan
But emily gonna be lonely
atomic cosmos
there is not much to know....about lore chrono accelerator other that it able to do blink and recall
peak escarp
Ingrid doesn't seem lonely
fathom tartan
In that lil apartment hope she has a cat or something
Hm
I just realized bastion's bird gets around
Like damn
Wait
I dunno
I think I'm taking in game voice lines too cannon rn
atomic cosmos
some voice line is canon some don't
fathom tartan
I'm thinking of the one where zen knows about torb having bastion bc of bastion's bird
gentle heart
She recalled a much longer period of time in the spider short, and she appears to have a much higher blink limit, but we don’t know much else.
Her cool down in the hero short appears to take longer than in game, and I think her guns are disabled too. Which is cool because it implies her guns have cool time powers. Tracer has actually been firing the same 40 bullets for her entire career I guess?
atomic cosmos
and in zero hero she seem able to blink to the direction where she look at ( including the skies )
in PVE mode she have 60 bullets
gentle heart
She also misses every shot she has ever taken I think, maybe the doom trailer has her landing shots idk
cosmic crest
Gameplay does not translate to lore
gentle heart
We know, we just like categorizing the differences.
limpid agate
@gentle heart Doomfist appears to have some kind of shield in that trailer
So his passive is canon in some capacity
cosmic crest
ok, but it would be silly to assume tracer can only blink 3 times, or needs to generate ult before she can use pulse bomb 😛
peak escarp
Tracer's abilities work quite differently in canon
"ultimate abilities" don't need charging, they can be used at will
cosmic crest
That's what I'm saying
atomic cosmos
dude she blink more than 3 times on the scene where she chase after widow in widow short
cosmic crest
Yes, I know, that's my point. It would be silly to assume these things
atomic cosmos
ah sorry
cosmic crest
is fine
gentle heart
Yeah, winstons primal rage is always triggered by actual enraging events. Which is weird because he does still glow red in canon, don’t know how that works, like biologically, but it is canon.
limpid agate
You want spmething stronger in the lore
dapper haven
She can recall further back though
atomic cosmos
winston able to win a punch showdown with doomfist...
cosmic crest
We see in Reflections that her chest piece has a limited fuel supply, so it is likely that she can use her abilities as much as she wants but has to preserve fuel
atomic cosmos
reaper have grenade launcher on his shotgun ?
lavish elm
It’s odd how he’s is shown using grenades often in lore
But he does not have them in his shotguns
They are likely on his belt
atomic cosmos
it was not shotgun shell the one on his belt
dapper haven
Why does he carry shotgun shells when he doesn't reload his weapon
atomic cosmos
he did have shotgun shell..on his chest for some reason
oh wait his belt carried more shotgun shell not grenade shell
pliant sparrow
I wonder if winston going primal has some serious drawbacks if used too much
Such as seriously damaging muscle tissue
atomic cosmos
probably if he stay on primal for far too long he gonna stay primal forever
pliant sparrow
That seems a bit wack
atomic cosmos
yeah
gentle heart
What’s his blood pressure like? He’s already pretty old for gorillas and that much rage can’t be healthy if it makes him literally turn glow red
pliant sparrow
He's genetically modified which explains his age
peak escarp
he's a genetically engineered gorilla
pliant sparrow
Although looking at all that peanut butter, it can't be good
peak escarp
he's the equivalent of a young adult
his lifespan is probably closer to a human than a gorilla at this point
gentle heart
Gosh dang genetically modified gorilla and there human lifespans. Where’s my genetically modified humans with jellyfish lifespans. Was Winston born on moon base because that’s the only jurisdiction where aggressive gene modding is allowed? Was his creator a space criminal mad scientist?
peak escarp
I think the Horizon scientists were well-meaning
they probably did their experiment on the moon to reduce the chance of the apes attacking society if the experiment goes bad
which it did
lament prawn
wasnt the whole point of the experiments to test what its like living in space for extended periods of time
peak escarp
yes
but instead of testing on people, they tested on genetically enhanced apes
because . . . ?
lament prawn
to avoid putting humans at risk?
peak escarp
they could have just used normal apes
lament prawn
idk, i was just saying the being on the moon part was more of the whole point than just a safety/security measure
peak escarp
I don't get why they had to be genetically enhanced
lament prawn
or at least i remember it that way
ig having intelligent beings to test on gives more accurate results for what the mental effects would be on humans
pliant sparrow
Might've also done it because it'd be easier to do away from prying eyes
frosty shell
They probably made them genetically enhanced in order to see if genetic therapy would help humans live better in space
And they likely kept them there because of the danger
Also, maybe because the Crisis was going on, they were forced to keep doing the experiments on the Moon?
peak escarp
that makes sense
frosty shell
And they just kept them there because it had become self-sufficient
fathom tartan
Hello
swift mason
Haudi, lets talk overwatch lore
pliant sparrow
Possibly
swift mason
It's been a year, so i'd assume so
But in the ironclad industries as seen in the ow2 gameplay trailer, maybe he's just housed him there
fathom tartan
Huh
Do you think torb could of possibly suited bastion with upgrades that we will see in ow2
fathom tartan
Probably a ironclad stamp too
swift mason
Bastion's got a little hat aswell with the ironclad symbol on it
fathom tartan
Looks like concept art nothing to take too seriously
But
Dose seem to stay on the right path of charters we have in fact seen
swift mason
Yeah
fathom tartan
Expect mei dunno tf happening with her hair
swift mason
Her hair is longer
it wasn't clearly shown in the cinematic tho
it just looked like the original
but for the gameplay demo her hair is different
fathom tartan
Bastion and torb are the only ones we haven't seen so idk
swift mason
Just going with what we've got
fathom tartan
Yeah
swift mason
and i am so far accepting the fact that bastion does indeed wear a hat
unless removed
fathom tartan
Or a little metal helmet
I wish in game or at least in the pve ganymede could attack a enemy for very little damage but they have to swat him off or a teammate has to shot at him
swift mason
I wouldn't be surprised if the devs just don't do anything with him, he is just a bird
atomic cosmos
well by the brig interaction to bastion i think she know that torb has taken bastion in
sonic sleet
Would be nice if E for Bastion was some use for Ganymede
atomic cosmos
and upgrade his armor
sonic sleet
Ganymede just exists
swift mason
Ganymede is like the anchor that keeps bastion sane
pliant sparrow
The hat bastion wears is torbs
swift mason
It's still a cute look on him
atomic cosmos
^
fathom tartan
I want ganymede adventures
swift mason
That sounds like a mobile app
fathom tartan
That bird seems to tell alot of people stuff with alot of distance in between
swift mason
that would release alongside ow2 as bonus free content
fathom tartan
Yes
swift mason
Flappy bird but with ganymede
fathom tartan
Also can we stop for a minute and realize that if the in game voice line with torb and zen is cannon then zen understands birds
Wait
What happened to the ganymede's eggs on bastion's shoulder
swift mason
I don't think there were any eggs to begin with
Just building a nest
never laid any
swift mason
oh yeah i googled ur right
The game isn't all canon tho
The eggs are just a design choice
fathom tartan
I expect to see three lil birds in torbs place
swift mason
That would be cute, and i reckon tracer would be like OwO Lil birdies!
fathom tartan
I just watched the bastion short
It's so underrated
Ganymede is cute
I feel there more to him or her
I assume her bc of the eggs
I chose to ignore my thoughts tho bc cute bird
swift mason
Bob is a hero in my eyes
worthy rose
but i think they would have to rework ashe's ult
swift mason
U talking about ow2 ashe?
worthy rose
yes
swift mason
so if bob became playable, what would ashe's ultimate be
something to do with deadlock?
worthy rose
hm
maybes
its hard because
"B.O.B, Do Somethin'!" is one of Ashe's most iconic lines.
swift mason
Maybe her motorbike suddenly appears and just rams people and shoot at them
Sorry to break ur heart but i think bob is gonna stay as ashe's ult
worthy rose
oh well
we can guess mauga is coming as a hero
i wonder who the rest will be on ow2's release
swift mason
Surely the omnic singer in paris
sonic sleet
Sojourn
barren musk
how many new heroes do you think ow2 will have launch
worthy rose
why would that omnic singer be a hero
barren musk
im hopin 2 supports 2 tanks and maybe 1 dps
worthy rose
there will be more tanks and supports than dps most likely
atomic cosmos
don't get your hope too high
sonic sleet
Sojourn is definitely doing to be a new dps
swift mason
They pulled a sneaky on us with echo, they'll do it again
barren musk
but sojourn doesnt seem like a healer nor tank
echo we either knew was a dps or support
worthy rose
im going to guess sojourn will be a dps
atomic cosmos
i mean by the time they show us zero hours short echo is 100% dps with that explosive on her arsenal
i think why people think echo is support because moira exist
fathom tartan
What ever happened to the poster boy crusader the third one
dapper haven
What
swift mason
who
barren musk
yea and we rougly have an idea of what sojourn's abilitys are. she has that super jump and arm blaster
fathom tartan
The third crusader
worthy rose
most crusaders died
atomic cosmos
arm blaster probably her ult
fathom tartan
The one on the posters
dapper haven
And potentially a slide ability
atomic cosmos
which poster ?
dapper haven
Wasnt that a highlight Intro shown