same goes for Mei
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
lament prawn
true, yeah
i guess they'll find a reason for mercy to not tell anyone for the sake of a better reveal
zenith moon
so do you think Obama is a tank, dps, or support... asking for a friend.
limpid agate
!!shitposting @zenith moon
twilit nacelleBOT
@zenith moon Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
swift mason
U know how the iris is supposedly connecting all the shambali omnic monks together, do you think they felt something disruptive when mondatta was killed?
swift mason
But if it really does exist, would it warn the other monks of his death, idk it just popped up randomly in my head
limpid agate
No
Its not something linking anyone
Its not a network, or control program
We dont know what it is
But the Shambali worship it
They probably dont even know what it is either
swift mason
yeah ur probably right
stuck timber
i wonder how zens healing works
lavish elm
it's probably non canon
forest geode
i feel like all the healing technology in the overwatch universe comes from the iris, and that those who have the healing technology (zen, mercy, etc) have tapped into the iris and have somehow channeled it
and my theory on this comes from the little voice line when mercy resurrects orisa and she says "was that the iris?"
worthy rose
hm
orisa mightve just said that because of like
the light people see when they nearly die
the iris might just be that
maybes biotic technology has something to do with it but i doubt it
stuck timber
yeah like rezzing a bot in the practice range
atomic cosmos
soo from what i found that echo herself the one who give the code for her pod to mccree
worthy rose
ye
atomic cosmos
i thought mccree stole it from somewhere
dim scroll
What's your source on that one? That's one that I hadn't seen made official yet.
atomic cosmos
https://twitter.com/OverwatchNaeri/status/1250867960404602880 i found it on here
grand wedge
@atomic cosmos This is just naeri own assumptions
Be careful with their tweets : no sources
atomic cosmos
oh okay
worthy rose
is naeri a leak person
grand wedge
I would say yes, but I don’t know them much more than that because there tweets not a reliable source.
iron plume
She posts leaks but with pretty much zero filter
like those "challenges" that were obviously fake
valid terrace
New Ow
fathom tartan
Very confused who knows and dosent know her
valid terrace
She joins them in Zero Hour
Also Soldier likely knows of her existence, not necessarily of her reawakening
And Ashe knows
So anyone in Zero Hour, Reunion and possibly some old ow members
Oh and Sombra
Because of course
peak escarp
some of old Overwatch would know about her too
valid terrace
Right
peak escarp
because she was used on a few missions before being quarantined
fathom tartan
Mcree was assigned to the project so lead members probably know
peak escarp
the leaders (Ana, Jack, Gabe) definitely know about her
fathom tartan
Winston knows about her because her saw her in zero and knew her name
If he knows it's likely moria and torb knows
valid terrace
Presumably because she was in Blackwatch
We don’t know the timeframes of Echo’s events though
peak escarp
depends how much Moira knew about other projects
Echo was somewhat kept quiet
and Moira herself wasn't supposed to be widely known about
valid terrace
Yeah
grand wedge
She seems friendly with Genji and Angela at the end of Zero hour. And she has a special kill voice line for Genji and McCree .
peak escarp
they're both strike team members, so she has probably worked with them before
grand wedge
Yes
dim scroll
It would be cool to have an Archives mission where Genji, McCree, Mercy, and Echo are on a strike team. That would be cool.
valid terrace
Any Archives mission would be cool
grand wedge
^ I second that
fathom tartan
Overwatch 2 is post to be like alot of missions so
Yknow
Where is talons evil ai person
Well I guess maxiamillon but he's kinda just a basic omnic
Is that person at the end of storm rising omnic or and ai or a humman
peak escarp
he's an omnic
valid terrace
He’s also not Talon
peak escarp
he's probably going to be the main antagonist for OW2
valid terrace
He’s Null Sector
valid terrace
I can’t post pics hold on
valid terrace
Yeah fr
fathom tartan
Like
I didn't even realize until yesterday when I rewatched it that in zero hour they are all null sector
Even the big one
If I have timelines in my head correctly i definitely see that persona the end of strom being null tho
*person
Because talon could of given null some funding because there way more advanced than in uprising
limpid agate
@fathom tartan We were told that omnic at the end of Storm Rising is the leader of Null Sector at Blizzcon
fathom tartan
Oh okay
So
Talon is obviously in collaboration with null sector
Probably we're impressed by what they did in london
And saw to it that they were allied
Wait okay
So what exactly is null sector ik there post to be an extremist group but dose that mean gwinstem could be null
valid terrace
Doomfist saw them as a way to create conflict
fathom tartan
Doomfist wants chaos to create warriors or something right
limpid agate
Humanity grows in times of crisis
limpid agate
Both in the real world (WW1, WW2) and in Overwatch (Omnic Crisis)
He wants humanity to grow.
fathom tartan
Basic bad guy makes chaos because he want better stuff
So what exactly do they use sig for tho ik he's being used but what exactly do you use a man that controls gravity for
peak escarp
they just keep him in a lab
fathom tartan
Oh
peak escarp
they dont use him on missions
fathom tartan
I bet moria has fun with him
peak escarp
they let him continue his research
candid chasm
Genji eats torb???
candid chasm
lol
fathom tartan
Go to like general or overwatch
candid chasm
yeee
fathom tartan
Well
I'm sure they might of used sig for some field work
I mean he has an outfit
peak escarp
might not be canon
fathom tartan
Like a talon uniform
Yeah
But
If I had a man that could control the rules of gravity it self
I'd use him for a couple ops
But then again he could go rogue at any moment
Because he's off his hedges and could see that there using him
I'm sure talon has a plan for that tho
Like tranquilizer stuff in his helmet
peak escarp
fathom tartan
Yeah
I wonder if moria or someone has ever helped him or tried to study him or experiment
peak escarp
possibly
peak escarp
he's got quirky professor vibes
fathom tartan
But he has potinal if I have a the correct understanding of him just delete earth kinda bc y'know blackholes
I think he can control the gravity of certain spots aswell as density
His orbs actually remind me of a hypothetical bomb idea that could potentially destroy the universe
Sig gives me the "don't get in my way" vibe
Like if you were to smug his chalk he'd just kill you
He could probably easy destroy the most of talon
peak escarp
he strikes me as more of a man of science, who avoids violence and prefers to educate
peak escarp
a lot of it is based on misconceptions
peak escarp
people still think he has multiple personalities
fathom tartan
What is he diagnosed with
peak escarp
he wasn't diagnosed
fathom tartan
Oh
Well ik he's not all there in the brain
It's not schizophrenia I think
Mabey paranoia
Unsure
He's very smart thought
peak escarp
fathom tartan
Has a very good understanding of his powers
peak escarp
it's not mental illness, its brain damage
fathom tartan
Oh
Well
Technicaly
Mental is just Brian
And illness is just like not correct
So
Brian damage
peak escarp
it's not going to be anything we have a name for
because it's something specific to Sigma himself
peak escarp
they could come up with a name, like they did for Tracer
but it's still a unique condition
fathom tartan
Astoreassmlemcoasos
Astro
Wait what the Latin term for reassembly
Astro
Contio
Osis
So
Astrocontioosis
peak escarp
sure
reef gale
it will be interesting if he gets lore in OW2
fathom tartan
Yeah
peak escarp
I wouldn't count on him being featured much
fathom tartan
I sure winston and sig would get along nicely
In a scientific sense
Unsure as like buddy sense
limpid agate
Its suggested Sigma knew Winston as a child
fathom tartan
Oh
fathom tartan
Do you think dr. Winston and sig knew each other
peak escarp
yes
fathom tartan
I think he dosent care
peak escarp
if/when he finds out . . . probably
peak escarp
he might think that knowledge should be shared
fathom tartan
Yeah
peak escarp
and be mad that they're keeping his research for themselves
limpid agate
And mind broken
fathom tartan
If they dont let him share his work he could get temperamental
worthy rose
Is Sigma generally a decent person.
fathom tartan
Primal rage but sig
fathom tartan
Yeah
He seems like some day he wants to share that works tho
And talon has other ideas
Overwatch could discover him in a op on a talon research facility and take him
That would be a cool story
peak escarp
they should set him free, or get him real help
limpid agate
Gibraltar
worthy rose
gibraltar
fathom tartan
Okay
reef gale
is it better just being a vigliante like Soldier 76 and Ana then being in OW?
peak escarp
the asylum doesn't sound like a great place
worthy rose
or maybes just rehabilitate him or something
fathom tartan
They could help
peak escarp
they had him prisoner there against his will
fathom tartan
Winston has a great mind
worthy rose
what if they were to help him finish his work on gravity successfully
without
tearing himself in 2
reef gale
but how are they going to get sigma Talon probably heavily protecting him
fathom tartan
Talon has taken out talon goons before
worthy rose
id like some sort of espionage mission
limpid agate
I dont see the point of that story line
Especially given how busy Overwatch is already
fathom tartan
And doing an op on a talon research station dosent seem too crazy
reef gale
true what would Sigma do for OW since sigma is not a combat threat yet
worthy rose
Sigma is a living weapon.
worthy rose
They're using Sigma, he's just a pawn and he doesn't know it.
He probablys thinks he's just in some different lab or something
reef gale
OW needs more firepower....having Sigma would probably just be for research
fathom tartan
I wonder about what will happen to like almost all the talon soldiers if ow actually gets them
Like could they help sig
Or could they help widow even
peak escarp
most of them would just get arrested and locked away
they might try to get help for Widowmaker, but she still killed a lot of people
she won't go free
fathom tartan
Yes but cases such as sig and widow technically ir legally they could get off because they aren't in the right state of mind
peak escarp
then they'd be put in an institution
valid terrace
It’s more likely that they don’t want Sigma to fight as much as they want to duplicate his abilities for their own Soldiers
That’s what they do
fathom tartan
Widow was conditioned and sig was oblivious
reef gale
ooooooo i could see Mauga and Baptiste round three
worthy rose
is baptiste an outlaw?
limpid agate
It’s more likely that they don’t want Sigma to fight as much as they want to duplicate his abilities for their own Soldiers
Hmmm
There's a thought.
fathom tartan
Yeah
peak escarp
if it can be duplicated
peak escarp
it's more likely trying to duplicate it would be catastrophic
fathom tartan
Probably cant without the brain damage with it
worthy rose
they mean the gravity thing
valid terrace
Catastrophe seems to be Talon’s calling card
reef gale
echo probably the only one who can
limpid agate
Unless he ends up inventing some kind of gravity well
That allows its controlled creation
Much like how its suggested that Moira's genetic enhancements we see on her and Reaper have also been adapted to the Snipers
fathom tartan
Yeah
limpid agate
Catastrophe strikes the first time
reef gale
true
limpid agate
Then again
The Assassins have some enhancements too
And they're deranged
Literally
peak escarp
the original experiment had to be done in space because it was so dangerous
fathom tartan
Moria creeps me out especially her ultimate animation
worthy rose
Was Sigma friends with Dr. Winston?
vapid compass
is it possible to be effective against dps players as zenyatta if youre good at discording
limpid agate
@worthy rose Its suggested they got along
fathom tartan
@vapid compass wrong chat
vapid compass
oh wait this is the lore channel
limpid agate
But the interaction isnt in game yet
fathom tartan
@limpid agate he ment dr.Winston
limpid agate
I know
worthy rose
the scientist looking after winston in horizon colony @fathom tartan
fathom tartan
Ik
worthy rose
who died when the monkeys got mad and stuff
worthy rose
also why can't hammond talk but winston can
fathom tartan
Vocal cords
peak escarp
because he's a hamster
peak escarp
Winston can understand him though
fathom tartan
Well hammond understands english
Why can't a ape understand hamster
Just because they can't physically speak it doesn't mean they skin understand it
*can't
Hammond's ball translates everything because hammond understands English
But his vocal cords limit him in the aspect of speaking it himself
He would need a new throat to speak it himself
Winston speaking English is shady but you could argue apes are similar enough to us to speak English
peak escarp
his physiology was also altered by the genetic conditioning
altering an ape to be able to speak is more plausible than altering a hamster to speak
its likely the other apes in the colony can speak too
theres a possibility that we could get Simon or Hypatia as the "evil Winston" people were expecting Hammond to be
peak escarp
yes
but prior to finding out who/what Hammond was, a lot of people thought Hammond was an evil chimp
not really sure why, since Hammond wasn't the troublemaker - Simon was
grand wedge
People who thought it was a monkey didn't pay attention to the details - because everything was suggesting a rodent
Especially after the map rework
peak escarp
they went to see her in the short story Valkyrie
iron plume
Ana and Soldier came to her in Valkyrie
and told about Reaper
peak escarp
I can't promise you'll like her more if you learn more about her
but you should at least give it a try
short stories are at the bottom
limpid agate
They're friends
peak escarp
they met in Talon
Alyssa Wong: Baptiste and Sombra met for the first time while both were working for Talon. Over time, they became good friends. Sombra likes to keep an eye on everything, but she’s also looking out for Baptiste, even though he left Talon. It’s always nice to see what her old buddy has been up to.
limpid agate
They didn't grow up in the same country, so they can't be friends from Childhood
Sombra in Mexico
Baptiste in Haiti
limpid agate
@simple sand No advertising
subtle geyser
did you have anything to answer for the unnamed omnic discussion? @limpid agate
ive looked for the source of the statement "Jeff Kaplan did confirm this was Null Sector's leader on a stream from Blizzard HQ" but ive watched the stream he supposedly said it in but he never said it there
all he confirmed was that the unnamed omnic is an omnic
apparently jeff saying hes the null sector leader is just a rumor
limpid agate
on a stream from Blizzard HQ
This means a time when a streamer was streaming with Jeff
And talking about the game
It might be the Seagull stream
When Sigma came out
But that Stream is gone
grand wedge
I doubt it was on Seagull with Sigma. I saved the part with Jeff and the other guy that talked about the origin story, I’ll check. But I don’t remember anything about that ....
limpid agate
What guy
grand wedge
eddit : Jermiah Johnson - one of the project director from franchise and development. ( but he only talked about the Origin Story)
grand wedge
I wonder if that was not this post : https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/the-leader-of-null-sector/332809
that led someone to change the wiki, but OP was wrong.
grand wedge
yes
subtle geyser
and no mention of him being the leader
grand wedge
i know
i'll check the seagull stream about Sigma but I doubt it was there
i wonder if it was not around the last blizzcon....
subtle geyser
@next plaza wrong channel?
spiral yarrow
Got a question, in reapers bio it says he has no loyalty to any cause or organisation, does that mean he (like sombra) is also using talon for resources?
grand wedge
It means they couldn't find a pattern to affiliate him to any organisation.
spiral yarrow
But he is part of talons inner council
spiral yarrow
Alright
grand wedge
But yes, we know that he is quite high in talon ranks
pliant sparrow
We don't know his opinion on talon's goal
peak escarp
I don't think it has actually been confirmed that he is the leader of Null Sector
only that he is working with Doomfist and their plans had to be put on hold while Doomfist was in prison
it can be inferred that he is the leader of Null Sector (or at least represents Null Sector) based on their interactions, the fact that Talon is now working with Null Sector, and his physical appearance (he's got Null Sector purple)
tawdry nebula
Are there going to be any more new animated shorts?
peak escarp
probably
spiral yarrow
Talking about comics actually, in masquerade, moira is also seen in one of the last pages (atleast i think it is her) which makes me think of retribution, where moira has something of a voice line like “i was hoping we’d go to the masquerade” and reaper replies weirdly. Does this mean she already had connections with talon? And reyes was already reaper? Unless he has some weird dress up thing. (Ngl im imaging a pixie rn its hilarious) is this confirmed?
grand wedge
That's one of the voicelines that fuel the theory she was already Talon while in Blackwatch. (but it's still unconfirmed officially)
As for Reyes, he likes costumes : for Halloween, he made his pumpkin costume himself. (in the Junkenstein comic)
spiral yarrow
There is also a kings row file declassification on twitter about two years ago, that around 13s changes to a blackwatch mission, with a classified file number and the name is blackwatch —. The hell is that about? In that same post, the background also has a blackwatch logo. Does this mean uprising had something to do with blackwatch? I believe tracer never met reaper in blackwatch
peak escarp
I think the line "There's a lot of things you don't know about me." is particularly damning
peak escarp
that was just a teaser for Retribution
spiral yarrow
Unnerving
peak escarp
not connected to Uprising
peak escarp
it was supposed to look like someone was uncovering encrypted files
spiral yarrow
It somewhat worked i guess..?
peak escarp
the teasers for Archives are one of the things I'll miss
grand wedge
I remember the hype
peak escarp
I assume Archives will be replaced with a new event when OW2 comes out
grand wedge
Retribution hype was just the peak of Overwatch for me
peak escarp
Retribution had the most extra content
there was the teaser, the comic, the 4 audio logs
grand wedge
The teasers, the announcement during the OWL, the comics, the skins... everything
grand wedge
Same
peak escarp
or documents like the Venice pages, or Baptiste's report
dim scroll
Retribution was the best Archives event. Hopefully it stays when OW2 comes out or goes into the base game when OW2 launches. They are really good.
TBH we still need some lore skins from the Uprising Comic.
peak escarp
which ones?
dim scroll
Tracer's Training Skin is the big one.
The one she trains with Genji in.
Lab Winston, and Recruit: 76 are the other two for Uprising that we still need.
peak escarp
the younger 76 appearance was based of his Commando 76 skin
but I would like to see a proper younger Jack, from the crisis/pre-crisis
dim scroll
Me too.
dim scroll
I just looked at Retribution, and the only skin from there that would be cool is Hooded Reyes.
peak escarp
Red Death Reaper from Masquerade is on the top of everyone's list
dim scroll
We totally need Battle Armor Widowmaker from Legacy.
Her Talon skin doesn't really match how she would actually look in Talon.
I could also be weird, but I want to see a Liao skin for Echo.
peak escarp
that would be weird
valid terrace
Maybe Echo wearing Liao’s jacket in homage
Like the Mercy skin from the Valkyrie event
dim scroll
Maybe, but I would love to get a Liao skin worked into the lore somehow so that we could have the six OGs together in game.
peak escarp
it would just be weird seeing Liao flying around like that
dim scroll
Maybe Liao flies around with a prototype of the Valkyrie suit that Mercy gets.
ICR if that was custom made for her or not.
peak escarp
Mercy designed it herself
dapper haven
I'd also like to see McCree as a waiter, which is referenced in a line during retribution
barren musk
Mcree waiter skin for anniversary event?
dapper haven
It would either be anniversary or archives
swift mason
How about casual tracer as seen in the reflections comic?
There's also octopus Bastion in binary, but that would be more of a epic skin
signal steeple
fresh tundra
Casual Tracer would be kind of weird
I just can’t really see it
The way she looks in Reflections ^
peak escarp
"casual" Tracer is just Tracer with her jacket and accelerator off
dapper haven
I wasn't aware that the accelerator came off
zenith prawn
Isn't she not supposed to be able to take the accelerator off?
dapper haven
Ah okay
zinc moth
but didn't doomfist once destroy tracer's accelerater and she didn't die or anything
like here
dapper haven
She didn't die but she returned to the state she was in before she had the accelerator by the looks of it
You even see her kind of disappear after he pulls it out
zenith prawn
Zarya is an Overwatch agent right?
silver meteor
i dont think so
pliant sparrow
She isn't
worthy rose
no
barren musk
No
slim crest
no
iron plume
they got it, chill with the spam
sterile vale
i hope we get talon missions in overwatch 2
dim scroll
I think that we will get missions with every hero from OW and OW2.
grand wedge
Probably not - but they'll try
But you will be able to play all heroes with the hero missions
It depends what they have in store from a PVE and story perspective, but only 4 men missions for every mission in story mode close a lot of possibilities
peak escarp
every hero will be in the Hero Missions
not every hero will be featured in Story Missions
pliant sparrow
cosmic crest
All depends if the desired hero has others to partner with, and if said partners make a viable team in PvE
So yes, very unlikely every hero will be featured in story missions
peak escarp
also the devs said so at Blizzcon
peak escarp
Wrecking Ball, Junkrat, Roadhog, Sigma, Zarya all seem unlikely to show up
the trailer hinted at a mission in Busan, so I think D.Va will show up
Symmetra might, depending on where her story goes
cosmic crest
I hope so, Sym hasn't gotten any lore in years
I wish we could get an animated short featuring Lucio and Sym that takes place before Zero Hour, but that seem unlikely now since Blizzard will probably want future shorts to advertise Overwatch 2
worthy rose
I really think reaper needs his story complete
or maybe I dont know enough about him
peak escarp
there are gaps in Reaper's story
we still don't know why he turned against Overwatch
worthy rose
we also know that mercy may have something to do with his transformation
I want to mainly know that part
cosmic crest
No, that was wiped from cannon
There is a new interaction that suggests it was Moira
worthy rose
both had something to do with it
both have an interaction
far out possibility mercy even helped work for talon
worthy rose
oh k
doesn't reaper have a voice line with mercy where she asks what happened to him and and he responds with you tell me
peak escarp
how does that mean she had something to do with it?
if she did, why would she ask?
it wasn't "wiped from canon"
it never was canon
sullen turtle
That's the only thing they say to each other in game from what I know
worthy rose
idk much about lore rlly
peak escarp
well this is the place to learn
subtle geyser
theres a lot of tweets with lore on the ow twitter but you cant scroll down all the way to the beginning, does that mean theyre just lost?
peak escarp
worthy rose
i also know operation white dome and some other things but not to much
peak escarp
I made a list so it's easy to find the old ones
subtle geyser
is that just chus twitter or also playoverwatch
peak escarp
just Chu
subtle geyser
well
subtle geyser
yeah thats the kinda tweets i meant
apart from having a link to them you cant find them anymore :(
or knowing what to look up ig
subtle geyser
do you have all the links to the mysterious vids?
the "accessing files" kinda stuff
subtle geyser
not all of them
peak escarp
oh?
subtle geyser
https://twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/1239597502887673867 also for example this
subtle geyser
oh your order kinda confused me
peak escarp
it's chronological
peak escarp
I didn't start collecting from the beginning so at first I just went back through their twitter
but once I caught up I started adding them as they were posted
I think I started the list some time in 2017
subtle geyser
who is doomfist talking to in the overwatch 2 gameplay trailer? is it the unnamed omnic again?
peak escarp
he's talking to Maximilien
subtle geyser
"I can't do this"
"You've made your choice, nobody will stop us."
oh yeah i thought about that too
since you can see his suit a bit
peak escarp
it's also Max's voice
subtle geyser
do we know who voice acts the unnamed omnic?
peak escarp
possibly Ramon Tikaram
he's listed in the credits for 2019 and isn't anyone we know of
if you compare it to a clip of him, it does sound like him
subtle geyser
yeah it really does sound like him
peak escarp
particularly the way he says "magical" at 0:10
subtle geyser
also do we know who chase is?
in the overwatch 2 cinematic theres a seat inside the shit next to winstons
with the name "Chase" on it
peak escarp
my guess is that's Sojourn's last name
subtle geyser
yeah thats what i assumed too, ive been trying to figure out their seat positions to figure out whose it must be
peak escarp
since everyone else in Winston's photo is accounted for
subtle geyser
but it must be her last name
subtle geyser
how do we know thats genjis and mercys seats over there? ive been trying to figure out those last two
in no scene i can see an indication that thats genjis or mercys seat
peak escarp
I guessed at the order
but we know Mercy has a seat
and we know the positions of the other 6 seats
so Mercy's has to be one of the remaining 2
subtle geyser
only seat we dont see is genjis
peak escarp
yes
peak escarp
I made an assumption that Genji has a seat, based on him being present in Winston's photo
also I assumed they would sit together because they are close
subtle geyser
im just saying the one labelled genji could also be mercys seat
peak escarp
fair
subtle geyser
wow lazy blizzard putting the same smudge patterns on all seats
@peak escarp actually i figured it out
in this frame you can see the japan flag on the top left
so that means ur pic is correct and thats genjis seat
worthy rose
idk if this belongs here but
is there a chance anniversary will happen this month or early may
peak escarp
I don't think Anniversary will come early
it's based around an actual date, unlike Archives was
the anniversary of the game is May 24
so the event should start around then
subtle geyser
yeah
peak escarp
May 24 is a Sunday this year, so probably the Thursday (21st) or Tuesday (19th) before
I really hope we do learn more about the mysterious omnic
and hopefully get him as a playable hero
since we don't have any evil omnics
worthy rose
lynx-17?
winter mirage
If you were to guess, when do you think overwatch 2 will come out?
worthy rose
coronavirus probs pushed it back
winter mirage
Makes sense
worthy rose
ana knew about the coronavirus
she tried to warn us
no seriously
probs next year
if the pandemic ends
winter mirage
america only started quarenteen recently
and they have a bunch of people breaking quarenteen
so theyre gonna be in quarinteen the longest probabaly
peak escarp
it's hard to say at this point
we don't know when they had planned to release it, before any delays
winter mirage
Didn't they say late 2020
peak escarp
there were "leaks" saying 2020, but nothing official from Blizzard themselves
winter mirage
oh ok
Is it true that echo was gonna be the last hero being released in Overwatch 1?
winter mirage
Ok
lament prawn
if another hero means a delayed OW2 then i'd rather not have one
winter mirage
Same
Especially since theres supposed to be 3-5 heros being released with overwatch 2
dapper haven
They didn't give a release frame for ow2
peak escarp
the only thing Blizzard said was that they'd still be talking about Overwatch 2 next Blizzcon
so I figured that meant we don't get it until after Blizzcon at the earliest
I kinda assume the release cycle will mirror what they did with Overwatch
Blizzcon 2014: announcement, playable demo
Blizzcon 2015: more details, release date
May 2016: release
so following that . . .
Blizzcon 2019: announcement, playable demo
Blizzcon 2020: more details, release date
May 2021: release
lament prawn
how did the 2014 playable demo compare to the 2016 release
peak escarp
they had 12 heroes and 2 maps in 2014
21 heroes and 11 maps at launch
you can look up gameplay from the 2014 demo - it looks quite different, but you can see how they got to release OW from there
dapper haven
It's hard to tell how long development will takeb
It'll mostly be the story mode and the few new characters
And the new character designs now that I think about it
dim scroll
If I had to bet, OW2 will launch next May for the 5th Anniversary of Overwatch.
limpid agate
That might be the plan now. The virus has certainly delayed it.
peak escarp
it would be fitting
zinc moth
wait didn't soilder 76 "killed" reaper
peak escarp
in a sense, they killed each other
dim scroll
I think it would be cool if Brigitte built new armor from Rein's old armor.
dapper haven
I wonder if Brig will change much design wise in ow2
swift mason
Maybe as the story develops, brig could upgrade her armour, since its basically been confirmed that her original design will be in the game, but that could change i guess
fathom tartan
So is magic at all confirmed in ow
peak escarp
magic does not exist in OW
@swift mason every hero is getting a redesign for OW2 - Brigitte's wasn't shown at Blizzcon because they hadn't finalized it yet
fathom tartan
Well idl
*idk
The dragons have speculation of being tech
If they aren't then technically the shmada clan was the first to make hard light constructs not sim
Also it's hard to have tech be super old heirloom
peak escarp
who says it's super old?
the only thing we know about it is "only a Shimada can control the dragons"
could be a family secret, biometric locks, proprietary technology
peak escarp
how do you know they date back a lot?
there hasn't been any mention of how old they are
for all we know, Genji and Hanzo could be the first generation to use them
fathom tartan
peak escarp
that doesn't tell us anything
fathom tartan
Ancient
peak escarp
when does it say that the dragons Hanzo and Genji use are ancient?
there's a legend about two dragon brothers, but that's just a story
fathom tartan
Yes an old story that's why they have dragon heirlooms
Because there the shamida dragons
It could possibly be biotech but theres nothing on them seeing that and it dosent seem special to the weapon they hold
peak escarp
when Hanzo activates the dragons they seem to come out of his tattoo
it could be implants
fathom tartan
The only thing even suggesting biotech is that tattoos on hanzo but genji's tat would of been well gone
fathom tartan
But his arms is where it would most likely be
peak escarp
why on his arms?
because Hanzo's is?
when Genji uses Dragonblade, the dragon seems to come out of his back, not his arm
verbal creek
True
peak escarp
verbal creek
Maybe every shimada has the dragon in a different placr
dapper haven
Could the sword have existed and had the technology added to it?
fathom tartan
He wields different sword alot
fathom tartan
We ignore that button that button could be anything
dapper haven
Its only on the blackwatch and base skin
fathom tartan
But ik this sounds bad but if it's biotech and he was dead why wouldn't they y'know
Get it back
peak escarp
why would they?
peak escarp
maybe it's not reusable
fathom tartan
Biotech with hard light constructs sounds pretty valuable
worthy rose
And it's useless if you can't make it work. Like if, for example, only a Shimada can control it.
dapper haven
I'm gonna assume Echo can't canonically transform into other characters. If she could that would raise questions with the "Only a Shimada can control the dragons"
frosty shell
I don't think literally only a Shimada could do that
Hanzo was just being kinda dramatic
peak escarp
there is that possibility
frosty shell
Also, I don't think that the dragons can actually do much damage
All that happens to Hanzo is that he falls over even though he get the full brunt
The dragons are probably the Shimada's thing though
peak escarp
I get the feeling they're never going to explain what they are
swift mason
It's probably the least of their problems considering there's more important lore to establish, because blizzard has their favourites
cough cough Tracer
limpid agate
I would say the "favourites" that get more screentime than they need
Are the Junkers
I love the Junkers
But they're not important
Its mostly just main characters getting screen time.
Zen is not important. He will also be in OW2 despite that.
peak escarp
this is a problem for anything with an ensemble cast
swift mason
But I have to admit that my favourite characters are winston and tracer, they are just so much fun to play and to see their stories and their friendship grow is so cool, I wonder if it could be a point of conflict, probably not
peak escarp
some characters will be the focus, while others get ignored
atomic cosmos
maybe genji other sword except young and default is not canon ?
they only named one sword right ? Ryūichi moji
well he upgrade his family sword into...that nanotech sword...thing
silver meteor
they said they are fine with killing off a few characters
who do you guys think is the first to go
atomic cosmos
hmm like who ?
iron plume
it's unlikely they will
silver meteor
maybe a core overwatch member
atomic cosmos
jack ?
iron plume
Jeff has said they're open to it theoretically but it's not in any plans
swift mason
Wouldn't it be sad to see reinhardt die in the story, like he makes a sacrifice to save the world and his last words would be 'live with honour, die with glory'
silver meteor
or would it be more impactful for him to be the only survivor just like he was that day in echinwalde
iron plume
no it would not
iron plume
the change from the person he was at eichenwalde is the entire point of his arc
swift mason
It would be poetic that he would sacrifice himself just like balderich did
silver meteor
i feel like rein would be to obvious of a choice
swift mason
He lived honouring and protecting his friends, then he dies with glory
silver meteor
but im sure he will have a dramatic death if he dies
swift mason
Oh yea
iron plume
it would be "too obvious" because it's the only one that actually makes sense
swift mason
I reckon it would fit the story well, but the hard part about that is we hardly know what direction OW2 is going to go in
in its story
atomic cosmos
they did gave us that cliffhanger where lucio holding the enemy line where the rest are escaping to the ship
and mei scream '' Lucioooo ''
silver meteor
im sure as the story in the pve goes on it would make sense to kill someone else
swift mason
He's definitely alive tho
silver meteor
or make it unexpected
iron plume
they're not going to kill anyone any time soon
iron plume
so this is a pointless discussion then
swift mason
It's just a cool topic to discuss
iron plume
(and it wouldn't be Jeff)
atomic cosmos
yeah jeff did said lucio survived that
iron plume
is it? the whole discussion is just "– X wouldn't make sense. – Okay but what if it did"
atomic cosmos
well that what he said on blizzcon
swift mason
I had fun having a discussion, i hardly ever get to talk about lore and theories with anyone about overwatch
I really love overwatch
iron plume
As things stand now, Reinhardt's arc would be the only one where (a certain kind of) death would make for an appropriate conclusion
And even that is very unlikely
swift mason
Well, it is just a hypothetical point to make
atomic cosmos
and brig being succesor of rein ?
swift mason
yeah she will become a full knight, because she is currently a squire to rein
*would
since this is all hypothetical
swift mason
Her and torb would be most affected if he were to die
tho everyone would be pretty sad
grand wedge
I brace myself for the day one of the old soldiers dies (Rein, Jack, Ana or Reaper)... I don't want any of them to die because they're my favorites but they seem the most logical choice if they decided to kill someone. Killing Tracer or Winston wouldn't make sense unless they decided to pull a GoT on us (and the universe isn't enough expended yet to do such a thing)
swift mason
We've been talking about how reinhardt is the most likely to die in the story, sorry to bum you out
grand wedge
I've read the conversation, thank you very much
swift mason
Nice
fathom tartan
:(
I dont want grandpa to die
He got me play in my first ever game with no training
They would have to keep him in the game just lore wize he'd be gone
Damn
I just thought what if tracer gets depressed
She can legit become a ghost
Or a aberration
Of time
I wonder my brian is now on the thought of time traveling shenanigans
What if tracer
Messed up here thing
Like since she was just going through different times
Could a ancient people of seen her
Nah
That's kinda dumb
If blizzard where to add that in it would be wacky
stuck timber
are u good?
stuck timber
ok imma leave you to it then 👍
fathom tartan
Why
atomic cosmos
cinematic short is canon ?
swift mason
Which one?
atomic cosmos
like every short
swift mason
Yea why?
atomic cosmos
ah just to make sure
swift mason
Yes they are all canon
atomic cosmos
when i see people ask how did zen healing work i just wondering if lore zen cannot do any heal
swift mason
If i recall, i think someone at blizzard said that zen's healing is more of a metaphor for harmony being a way to self heal
atomic cosmos
well he did healed genji's mental and spiritual training to accept his cyborg body...but not in press shift or ball of harmony
ah
swift mason
Yea, but im sure he can still lob orbs at people's faces
atomic cosmos
manual lob maybe
swift mason
I mean he can float, so can his orbs
atomic cosmos
but the physical orb would need to come back to him
swift mason
It would probably bonk someone on the head and fly back to him
atomic cosmos
yeah
the only same character both in lore and gameplay prospective is tracer ?
both version of tracer able to do blink and recall
swift mason
Alot of heroes share their powers with their canon counterparts
atomic cosmos
ah
atomic cosmos
soo lore winston can't use his barrier because he can't finished it
that is why his barrier absent from zero hour cinematic
swift mason
The time-gap between the recall and zero hour is 1 yr, he would've finished it in that time
atomic cosmos
there is one art where i think he start developing his barrier after zero hour happened
at the same time helping brig creating reinhardt's 09 armor
swift mason
Oh yea i know what ur talking about
maybe he's upgrading it
since there are the skill trees now
or whatever you call them
atomic cosmos
maybe of course with the help of brigitte who succesfully recreated crusader shield tech
swift mason
that's logical
atomic cosmos
and that intercept shield combo between brig and rein i think that is maybe lore exclusive
i can't think any way how they will able to put that skill on Gameplay even PVE
swift mason
yeah i don't think that would work ingame
But im sooooo excited for ow2, i ducking love it so much
swift mason
Can't wait for this year's blizzcon, if it even is on
atomic cosmos
sadly this 2020 blizzcon will likely become a virtual blizzcon or something
swift mason
yea
atomic cosmos
comic con 2020 just canceled...no surprise if blizzcon will follow
swift mason
2020 really be like this huh
atomic cosmos
unique year ?
swift mason
anyway, I have a cool concept for a story mission
atomic cosmos
ohh tell me
swift mason
It would take place in london
Let's say the team fly in and null sector are attacking, so they land and head to the cathedral to gather some info
Meanwhile, Tracer gets a call from emily saying she's been found by null sector and is being held hostage
atomic cosmos
new objective : rescue emily / chase after tracer
swift mason
Winston, Tracer, Lucio, and brig go off to look for her while the others deal with the attacks
Then the end cutscene would be Tracer seeing Emily in the distance trying to ward of a tough omnic away, then she gets knocked into a wall
Tracer completely loses it and her chronal accelerator gives her insane speed and completely obliterates the bot that knocked her away
They save her, the others manage to stop the attacks
I think that would be an awesome mission, so much tension
plus, LGBT+ representation, who wouldn't like that?
maybe homophobes, but that's their problem
atomic cosmos
yeah i like it
with the right music and way to show the cutscene it would be very....jaw dropping ?
swift mason
oh yeah, tracer go super saiyan
It makes sense for her character aswell to act like that
The almost death of someone she loves would push her above and beyond
atomic cosmos
yeah i never seen tracer get mad other than in widow's short
swift mason
It would be cool to see that other side of her
that she isn't always bubbly all the time
atomic cosmos
other side of overwatch's mascot
im really interested with that
thanks for sharing
swift mason
Thanks for listening!
I really think that would be an amazing story mission
Im just curious if the developers have something similar planned for the game
atomic cosmos
well they did confirm there will be multiple region where the mission take place
that including south korea....
this is the first time winston's OW will meet D.va
swift mason
haha yeah, and lucio could shoot his shot at her
atomic cosmos
ah yes lucio x hana i remember that
swift mason
there's an ingame interaction where d.va's like 'Hows my favourite international dj?' then lucio's like ' i play a lot of music, but ur still my favourite song'
D.va's real name is hana song
it's so cute
atomic cosmos
and then michael chu drop the hammer
by confirming some character interaction in game is not canon
sad
swift mason
But michael chu isn't relevant anymore, he left
atomic cosmos
yeah
swift mason
Yea i don't think widow and tracer working together is canon, same with their interactions
the gameplay isn't canon, only some tid-bits like the maps and voice lines are
atomic cosmos
like oni and uhh arab genji skin
where zen told that genji's his brightest student and that skin answer with '' that is on another life ''
atomic cosmos
that is part '' IF '' genji never accept his cyborg body
but now we know genji fully accepted his cyborg body as his own with OW2
atomic cosmos
yea
grand wedge
the fact that he is wearing clothes now is mostly because the devs didn't think of it earlier ^^ oops, - well, he has clothes now, you know, he accepted his body has his own
swift mason
that does make sense from a story standpoint
atomic cosmos
well some people love looking at his cyborg body for some reason
swift mason
by some people u mean mercy
grand wedge
They can do stunts like that with almost everything, because there are gaps in the lore
swift mason
yeah
grand wedge
And it will fit all the time with the proper explanation
swift mason
It works because the devs don't give us enough lore, WE NEED MORE LORE I LOVE THIS GAME GIVE IT TO ME
swift mason
oh yeah, but ow2 probably won't be released until may next year, following a similar pattern to ow1 release
2014: game announced, 2015: Details at blizzcon, may 2016: game release
worthy rose
@swift mason that d.va-lucio interaction is in heroes of the storm only
swift mason
2019: game announced, 2020: Details, 2021: Release (maybe)
Oh thanks Hc
didn't know that
worthy rose
imagine if emily was a hero
swift mason
bruh tracer gonna be conflicted about that
fathom tartan
I want more info for her
swift mason
I want to hear her voice
fathom tartan
I'm sure emily felt bad when tracer went back into a deadly battle field possibly getting killed
And definitely becoming an outlaw
worthy rose
id imagine it'd be something similar to brigittes thing
brigitte was worried about reinhardt and decided to fight alongside him to make sure he's ok
fathom tartan
Emily could get questioned or even taken by talon
swift mason
I'd imagine that tracer is more reluctant to have her fighting
swift mason
I have a cool concept for a story mission that involves emily
worthy rose
i saw
swift mason
Maybe Overwatch would break him out of talon and try to reason with hm
fathom tartan
Did you here my lab raid thing yesterday?
swift mason
Yeah i saw that
swift mason
Anyway, did you find it Fox?
worthy rose
also i hope echo turns evil
worthy rose
so basically the opposite of orisa?
orisa is adaptive ai right
or i mean bastion too
fathom tartan
Echo probably wont go evil
swift mason
He is being manipulated by talon
fathom tartan
He's being used
fathom tartan
He doesn't know anything