i mean, nowadays drafts dont need to exist anymore because there already is a draft in place for americans
#lore-discussion
primal escarp
it's called poverty
and with all the benefits the military provides, what's there to complain about?
so i dont see why the same logic wouldnt apply for korea during the time of OW
valid terrace
It’s also a T rated game that can’t endorse children in danger
primal escarp
T rated?
valid terrace
For Teens
primal escarp
ahh
valid terrace
Overwatch isn’t rated as Mature
primal escarp
well they never really explicitly say the age of those in Meka
valid terrace
That’s why they go out of the way to shut down nsfw content
primal escarp
r34 can not be stopped
they should know this
and if they somehow manage to stop r34, r35 would take it's place
valid terrace
It’s just the stance they have so they can’t be yelled at
primal escarp
that's fair
well my stomachs growling and it's 1am for me right now
so imma go rummage and see what i can find
see you around
valid terrace
Yup
limpid agate
I don't know why people still find D.Va being in the military at 19 as weird.
South Korea still has conscription.
peak escarp
they were more talking about the other MEKA pilots being younger, like 15-16
particularly Overlord who looks so young
limpid agate
Werner Voss was 17
Billy Bishop was 20
The Red Baron was 22
I dont know any more WWI pilots
Moving swiftly onwards.
limpid agate
!!shitposting @livid thunder
twilit nacelleBOT
@livid thunder Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
livid thunder
atomic cosmos
what is the true story behind reinhardt's forced retirement ?
placid fulcrum
we don't know
hopefully OW2 will give us an answer
personally, my theory is that it's related to Echo
lavish elm
@placid fulcrum can we hear the details
atomic cosmos
okay one more...did reinhardt stole his 08 armor ?
placid fulcrum
she used to be on the Strike Team, presumably at around the same time as Reinhardt was the leader. Jeff said that the Echo project continued for a while after Liao's death, until it was decided that she was too dangerous. Something must have happened to make them decide that. Plus, knowing Reinhardt, i really doubt that he would let overwatch quarantine a member of his team, even an unofficial one, without a complaint. Either something happened during the Strike Team's mission which caused Echo to be lavbeled as dangerous, that Reinhardt, being the leader, also was to blame for, or he was kicked out for political reasons, which may be due to disagreement over Echo's quarantine
atomic cosmos
ah that sound reasonable
placid fulcrum
of course, it's also possible that there was a change in leadership over overwatch, and that new leader (Petras?) was against both Reinhard and Echo, which is why both of them were seemingly kicked out at around the same time
pliant sparrow
I still think rein was used as a scapegoat
atomic cosmos
soo reinhardt was kicked out before storm rising happened right ?
atomic cosmos
there is little interaction between tracer and mercy on storm rising
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXb51WNJtcc
10:18
T : Mercy ? have you talked to reinhardt much since..
M : Only a little. He's Taking it all very hard
T : I miss having him around...
M : you should talk to him. I think He'd like the company
fathom tartan
Anyone hyped for ow2 just bc story
atomic cosmos
and soujourn replaced rein's position
6:36
worthy rose
I just learned that Winston and I have something in common: he is bad at writing speeches and so am I.
atomic cosmos
do you also have taxes problem ?
worthy rose
What's a tax
atomic cosmos
oh
primal escarp
im hyped for OW2 for the story and stuff, but im not willing to pay another 60 bucks
ngl, im kinda hoping that anyone who has OW before OW2 comes out, gets a free copy of OW2, but we all know that aint happening
atomic cosmos
no i don't think that will be good idea
we're lucky that they gave OW1 owner free PVP for OW2
we're talking game that published by activision
lament prawn
why would you get a full length campaign for free
youre already getting all the maps, heroes, engine/ui upgrades for free
dapper haven
I still wish ow2 pve was offered as an expansion
iron plume
it essentially is
dapper haven
But the price of a full game
iron plume
we don't know that
especially considering that OW's price wasn't "full game" in the first place
dapper haven
It's kind of assumed since they're so key on insisting it's more than an expansion
iron plume
it's not an expansion because you don't need to own OW1 to get it
eager creek
i know this isn't the right channel but nobody responds in the lfg ones and they are barely active so i just wondered if anybody wanted to group up and play some quick play?
iron plume
Why would people in the lore discussion channel want to group up more actively than the people in the channel specifically for grouping up
eager creek
because they are never active in the other channels
iron plume
you will find even less luck with that here, I'm afraid
dapper haven
^
I hope that if you have ow1 theres at least a discount for ow2. You're only really getting ow2 for the pve and new character designs if you've got the original
atomic cosmos
we don't know anything about OW2..people and media just assuming
iron plume
well, yes
atomic cosmos
and i hate that
eager creek
how much would u say they should discount it for tho
atomic cosmos
15% or 10%
eager creek
tbf fifa is the same game every year and they charge the same price
atomic cosmos
maximum
eager creek
but then its made by ea
iron plume
but I don't see how "less stuff is paid because more stuff is free" is a problem
if just pve isn't worth it to you, then don't get it
and you'll still receive the free update
would you prefer having it at the same price and not getting the free update
dapper haven
I wonder how big the initial update will be for ow1, considering it'll be bringing a new mode, maps, heroes and reworked engine
Something that could be nice would be an option of which announcer you want to use
dapper haven
Wonder if we'll get an in game explanation for Athena being replaced
atomic cosmos
...it's either they replaced athena completely or only on certain map
but still it's weird to have dead omnic as your announcer
mondatta is not dead but he transcended into the irish ?
dapper haven
Transcended into the irish?
dapper haven
Into the Iris
atomic cosmos
oh iris
dapper haven
Is the announcer Mondatta?
dapper haven
Just Toronto? Maybe different maps have different ones
Does he have any relation to Toronto?
atomic cosmos
well maybe just like kings row toronto also have big population for omnic ?
like toronto have a omnic hockey player statue
zinc moth
hey I got a question.....for genji and hanzo what are the dragons.....like are they forms of pure energy or are they their spirits?
atomic cosmos
the shimada dragons...
zinc moth
yea but WHAT are they, like its a difficult question to phrase right
like what r the dragons made of?
atomic cosmos
someone on forum said early pharah ult concept is her having eagle behind her while ulting but they remove it because it's too magical
and yet we have two japanese person that able to summon dragons spirit
dapper haven
Genji initially always had his blade out
atomic cosmos
i heard genji's current blade was his clan's prized possesion
i didn't remember where i heard about that but i did heard it on some interaction between character
it sound weird since i thought shimada clan was all about old japanese gear
lavish elm
@atomic cosmos source?
lavish elm
Alert me when you have
atomic cosmos
sure
valid terrace
A popular head canon is that there are hard light emitters in the Shimada tattoos that allows them to create the dragons
atomic cosmos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmjoLCR5UGk
5:20
@lavish elm don't know if this canon since it was interaction from junkenstein revenge event
valid terrace
We don’t have an official ruling yet
lavish elm
@atomic cosmos not sure junkenstein seems to be a metaphor for the overwatch story, a reflection of it less of a direct translation
atomic cosmos
oh the art book said it was indeed ryu-ichimonji
valid terrace
Like how Mercy isn’t responsible for Reaper in the main game
atomic cosmos
but about the prized possesion still can't be true
valid terrace
Right
limpid agate
There are points that are lore accurate and points that aren't
Its not a good source.
atomic cosmos
yeah
valid terrace
However, since his sword can control dragons, I’m willing to believe it’s been a part of his family
atomic cosmos
is it genji or his sword ?
valid terrace
Assuming the sword is the thing responsible for his dragons
I feel like both
Idk though
atomic cosmos
since on the short animation hanzo just need some random arrow to summon his dragon
valid terrace
They do have his signature blue within them though
limpid agate
The dragons very reasonably hasn't been in Genji's family for >60 years
valid terrace
It might not work with any piece of wood
valid terrace
Dang
Reminds me of the altered carbon anime
Where the clan leader gets a special tattoo
atomic cosmos
depend if they have tradition...
valid terrace
It seems like at least Hanzo follows tradition
dim scroll
They could be hard light dragons that are created using nanites in Hanzo's Tattoos, and Genji's Sword.
atomic cosmos
special ink then ?
valid terrace
We have not seen any form of nanite as of yet
atomic cosmos
not magical of course
dim scroll
I don't have anything to back that up atm, but i thought that it sounded cool, especially since we don't know if magic exists in the OW universe
pliant sparrow
It doesn't
valid terrace
The most magical thing Overwatch has is that Blizzard World can stay open without railings around their lake
There is always an explanation whether we know it yet or not
atomic cosmos
science of course
placid fulcrum
a new update is coming to live, which emans echo is being dropped
and that means we should finally get new hero interactions
more lore!
peak escarp
hopefully
placid fulcrum
in just a few minutes!
I must say I'm a little concerned over the fact that ther's seemingly no interactions on the ptr
surely they didn't jsut.. forget about them?
or plan to add them months from now?
peak escarp
the last 4 heroes haven't gotten interactions
placid fulcrum
none at all???
peak escarp
and before that, heroes typically don't launch with interactions - they get added a few patches later
Ashe only has interactions with McCree
placid fulcrum
aww
peak escarp
Hammond has a couple (with Sombra, Tracer and Winston)
placid fulcrum
welll... it will be disappointing
peak escarp
but Baptiste and Sigma don't have any (Sigma has his side, but they don't have answers)
placid fulcrum
I'd expect echo to have interactions at least with mccree
well then i guess I was hyping myself up for nothing, lol
white cobalt
So the tweets from BlizzardME
grand wedge
But they added a new mercy/Moira one on the ptr
valid terrace
That’s the only one I’ve found
I’ll keep looking
“Sorry Genji, I’ve been practicing”
peak escarp
valid terrace
I haven’t found any besides those two
atomic cosmos
so....meaning the pharah archive sticker where it show pharah having gun training
she being trained by mccree himself ?
even the gun of choice is revolver which is weird if you want to practice with a gun
atomic cosmos
yeah but usually military doesn't give you a revolver for training
peak escarp
it's meant to show a parallel between her and McCree
atomic cosmos
ah
atomic cosmos
soo that mean she also admire mccree right ?
peak escarp
yes
they used to play together
when he was a fresh recruit and she would visit her mom at the base
grand wedge
You also have Baptiste, when he kills a Talon member "Stop following me"
atomic cosmos
ahh yes i do remember mccree told pharah that he also being trained by the best...yeah it was her mother
grand wedge
A Russian friend told me there is a new interaction between Doomfist and Genji
mostly threats so it doesn't give any lore 😦
yeah, because i got the russian link xD
so russian interactions and russian subtitles
lean charm
grand wedge
yeah sorry, in my head it was logic ><;
peak escarp
that's interesting
Genji and Doomfist don't have an interaction, so it's definitely new
peak escarp
they have one already
valid terrace
Ah ok
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
Cool
pliant sparrow
This time 👀
peak escarp
they used to play together as kids
since Jesse was older, I assume he won most of the time
peak escarp
nope
worthy rose
After looking at Echo in the Hero Gallery, I am proud as a Singaporean
Two of her voice lines are Singlish words
'Alamak!' and 'Jialat'
last inlet
Those two are more than I thought we'd get
atomic cosmos
so that confirm dr.liaoh is from singapore ?
atomic cosmos
i think there could be more singaporean language but because these covid-19 thing it's hard for them
last inlet
Maybe, but they did this already
They could have recorded more, probably did
We'll see if later events have more Sing lines
slender vault
ok seriously in "reunion" couldn't mccree have just...said that his friend put their mind into a robot? sounds legit enough. Ashe probably wouldn't have cared and just took the loot.
peak escarp
but that's not what happened
atomic cosmos
hmm i should look more into singaporean dictionary then thanks @worthy rose for making me interested
dapper haven
Echo isnt Liao
atomic cosmos
she copied so much of liao
that make her almost become liao
im thinking more of liao personality not her intelligence
limpid agate
@slender vault Echo isn't a copy of Liao
Echo is copying Liao.
Echo is not a copy of Liao, in the sense that you pressed ctrl c ctrl v.
Echo is copying Liao, in that I heard someone say "German Beer is the best" so I tell people German Beer is the best.
Bad example
limpid agate
Echo is not a copy of Liao.
Echo is just acting like Liao.
slender vault
alright I didn't know
so
they have the same personality
but aren't the same person
limpid agate
They have the same personality
Because Echo is actively
Acting like her
Its not copied
She learned human behaviour from Liao
So she acts like her
slender vault
alright. thanks for clearing things up mi amigo.
atomic cosmos
thanks
limpid agate
Like
If you were to watch a Youtube tutorial
On how to do a backflip
And you were to try to perform it in the exact same manner in the video
Down to the motion of your fingers and toes
That would be how Echo copies Liao
limpid agate
Yes
atomic cosmos
by watching liao...
limpid agate
^
She isnt Liao. She has none of Liao's memories, none of her experinces, and wasn't directly created by implanting Liao's mind or anything.
She just learned from watching.
Like a child watching their parent
But really really good at being identical
dapper haven
Hopefully ow2 changes that and gives her her own personality
limpid agate
Her personality is so incredibly dull.
Like, Orisa is similar
She is also a machine who has a mostly blank slate
dapper haven
Orisa has more of one than her
dapper haven
Orisa learned off Efi, Echo learned off Liao
limpid agate
Yeah
limpid agate
The least bland lines she has are the kareoke lines.
But they sound... Really awkward.
dapper haven
Echo was created to be more human like but shes less human than the likes of Zenyatta
limpid agate
Like, she learned people say things like "yeah, woohoo" when they have fun
slender vault
her ultimate reflects on how she isn't her own...things.
limpid agate
So she says "yeah, woohoo"
And stuff like that.
In a really bland and plain manner
I get its probably the point of her character
But I dont find it interesting
dapper haven
Also did she have a different va at blizzcon?
dapper haven
Okay
She seems to have a slight bit more in the ow2 gameplay
Her telling tracer to pilot the ship then. I couldn't see the current echo snapping back at anyone
limpid agate
The current one would probably say it differently.
"Would you rather fly?" asked in a questioning Alexa-esque voice.
As if she was serious.
atomic cosmos
i think the longer echo interact with human being the more lively she become
dapper haven
Yeah
atomic cosmos
after being deactive for so long she forgotten most of human emotion
never it seems impossible since she is robot not...human
dapper haven
The bit of her we saw in Reunion seemed more emotive than the current one
limpid agate
In game Echo is incredibly bland.
slender vault
so wait..what happens to the mechanical body when they shapeshift into a hero?
dapper haven
Is her body made out of hard light or whatever it's called?
slender vault
like...does it compact into itself? or is it like a mechanical thing where each body part reacts to the fake body
dapper haven
There was a concept where it showed her limbs stretching to become the hero she was turning into
slender vault
THAT. my friends. sounds terrifying. do you have it anywhere?
atomic cosmos
i think there is concept of it
slender vault
can I see it?
atomic cosmos
limpid agate
We dont know how it works
slender vault
also out of all of them I'd prefer the limb transform. it makes the most sense most of the things to explain overwatch is "It's the future. Holograms!"
atleast the limb transform shows the mechanism.
atomic cosmos
it's more like it's the future Hard light tech baby
peak escarp
at least it's not "nanobots"
atomic cosmos
or nanotech/nanomachine
slender vault
Nanotech can pretty much explain everything in the fantasy worlds.
atomic cosmos
it become too mainstream
peak escarp
nanotech hasn't been used in Overwatch
dapper haven
Limb transform wasnt used because of issues with smaller heroes
peak escarp
Mercy has nanobiotics, which is different
peak escarp
what?
valid terrace
Smaller than Echo
valid terrace
That too
dapper haven
Her limbs couldn't stretch into a mech
Jeff explained the reasons on the stream that showed off echo gameplay and that put her into ptr
slender vault
ladies and gents
We somehow got from "Why didn't mccree just say something to get out of a gun fight" to echo's limps stretching into a mekka
slender vault
throughout all of this does this all mean that the actual places and rounds aren't canon in the universe? or are they canon within certain circumstances? like blackwatch vs overwatch?
dapper haven
Dont think any of the matches are canon
And interactions are only a "what if the characters met" iirc
peak escarp
the game itself isn't canon
valid terrace
References to the past are canon
dapper haven
We'll never see Lucio hook Genji's lights up to his music
slender vault
heheheehhe
that's clever.
was there ever any continuation of the comic "binary"?
valid terrace
There will be in ow2
slender vault
horray!
dapper haven
Which was binary
slender vault
gimme a sec
valid terrace
Torb and Bastion are living together in Gothenburg
valid terrace
Binary is where Torb finds Bastion
slender vault
I wonder where bastion has been hiding. like has he just been in a closet and people go "Torb who's turn is it to feed the bastion's bird?"
peak escarp
maybe
dapper haven
It'll be interesting if she doesn't know he took in a bastion
atomic cosmos
suprised brigitte face
valid terrace
Brigitte and Bastion making the cat play favorites
balmy crescent
Brig: 
limpid agate
@fathom tartan Talon isn't making Omnics.
fathom tartan
How do you know
They seem to be buddies with null sector and they remodel OR15 and bastion units
limpid agate
1 - The only known Omnic member of Talon, including fodder like Assassins and Troopers, is Maximilien. A leader
2 - Omnics are made by Omniums, not people.
3 - Null Sector is not Talon. Two different organizations. And the OR14 and Bastions from Uprising were before Doomfist teamed up with Null Sector.
4 - The burden of proof lies on the claim. What is your evidence to suggest Talon is making Omnics.
Bonus 5, in case it caused some confusion in your speculation - Echo is not an Omnic.
valid terrace
Tracer is friends with Rein she but she isn’t smashing anything with a hammer
fathom tartan
Well in some sense echo is a omnic
limpid agate
No, she isn't.
fathom tartan
She makes her own thoughts
limpid agate
An Omnic is not a self-thinking robot
There are other robots that have their own thoughts
Which are not Omnics
Example: Snowball
An Omnic is a robot made by an Omnium. Its a brand.
Like how all dolls are not barbies.
But your parents might call your GI Joe action figures Barbies.
Echo is not an Omnic.
And your parents are wrong.
fathom tartan
Well orisa is considered and omnic but she wasn't made by the brand
valid terrace
Originally yes
limpid agate
And created her personality.
valid terrace
She’s a mixed case
fathom tartan
Well yes but actually no
valid terrace
So she can be either
limpid agate
Is a Ford Mustang a Ford?
Yes or no?
A Ford Mustang is like Bastion.
Made by Ford, made by an Omnium.
Is a Shelby Mustang a Ford?
A Shelby is a Ford Mustang that is upgraded by Shelby
fathom tartan
Why is genji considered half omnic then
valid terrace
He’s not
limpid agate
(He isnt, Ill get back to that)
valid terrace
He’s a cyborg
limpid agate
The Shelby Mustang was still originally made Ford. It was then upgraded by Shelby.
Same with Orisa
She was originally made by an Omnium
Doomfist destroyed her.
Efi rebuilt her
Echo is not a Ford or a Shelby.
Echo is a Pontiac.
fathom tartan
I'm gonna make you embrace the iris
fathom tartan
Wait
limpid agate
Even in universe
No one calls him an omnic
Because no one thinks of it
Because he isnt one
fathom tartan
Does echo get the knowledge of some she echo's
limpid agate
If anyone told you that Genji was an omnic, stop listening to that person
valid terrace
They always refer to him as part machine as far as I know
fathom tartan
*someoen
limpid agate
Reword that sentence.
fathom tartan
*someone
valid terrace
She copies their personality
fathom tartan
Yes
valid terrace
Not their mind outright
limpid agate
Echo copies personalities like a student copying their teacher's behaviour and instruction.
fathom tartan
Like let's say she echo's sombra
limpid agate
Just perfectly
fathom tartan
Would she have understanding of the big consipsy
valid terrace
No
fathom tartan
Okay
limpid agate
How you talk
Body language
Actions
She isnt a copy of someone's mind
She just watched someone
And tries to act like them
But she is really good at it
peak escarp
she can't copy knowledge instantly
fathom tartan
Echo is just scary ai lady
limpid agate
And she is not an omnic.
fathom tartan
Wait
limpid agate
The omnics are:
- Bastion
- Zenyatta
- Orisa
fathom tartan
Where the hell was that train going and who owns it
limpid agate
It was a military train
It was coming from an army base in Florida
And going to a military graveyard in Tucson, Arizona
Airplane graveyard*
valid terrace
Yes?
limpid agate
Obviously
limpid agate
We have
valid terrace
Why would we?
valid terrace
Russia and Korea are the only countries currently at war
limpid agate
Zarya is in the Russian army
fathom tartan
Oh yeah nvm
fathom tartan
But like
They barley do anything they just make special groups and sit back and relax
limpid agate
Overwatch was founded because individual armies were failing to fight back against the crisis
30 years ago
fathom tartan
As a 18 year old gains PTSD
peak escarp
she doesn't
valid terrace
She’s just prepared
limpid agate
And you do know, in our very real world, on Earth, in 2020.
peak escarp
trauma and PTSD are not the same thing
limpid agate
South Korea has mandatory conscription
Like, you legally must serve in the South Korean military
At D.Va's age
valid terrace
Were they all recruited from within Korea or was outsourcing involved?
fathom tartan
She's 18 right now
limpid agate
She's 19
peak escarp
we don't know how long she has served
fathom tartan
Oh sorry
peak escarp
probably not more than a year or so
limpid agate
@valid terrace They're all Korean.
peak escarp
considering her age
limpid agate
At least, they all have Korean names
valid terrace
Cool
fathom tartan
I would like to see another mech pilot as a charter
valid terrace
I thought Casino had something in Spain I guess? I don’t keep up with meka too much
peak escarp
Monaco
limpid agate
Monaco
fathom tartan
Or a cool event or ow2 story where you have a mission and you can play as anyone of them
peak escarp
same place we're getting a map for in OW2
limpid agate
Casino is a:
- Former F1 Racer
- Named Casino
- With a mech named after Monaco's royalty
The ties are very heavy, but its nothing official
valid terrace
Wait the mechs have names?
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/MEKA
fathom tartan
Okay so like was tracer an actual racer or no
fathom tartan
Bc I have clue what she did befor the overwatch jets
limpid agate
Casino - La Princesse Sereine
D.Mon - Beast
D.Va - Tokki
King - Singijeon
Overlord - Mastermind
peak escarp
she was a pilot in the British air force
limpid agate
Tokki means bunny. Singijeon is a type of Korean artillery weapon.
fathom tartan
How old is tracer like really
fathom tartan
Dose that account for the time stuff
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/#story
fathom tartan
No
limpid agate
The only heroes with notable ages that are not so simple are
Mei - She was born 40 years ago, but she has lived for 31 years
Reaper - He's 58, but the bio says ???
58*
fathom tartan
And sig?
limpid agate
!!loreHeroes sigma
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/sigma#story
fathom tartan
Gravity could mess someone up I feel
fathom tartan
Yeah
I knwo
*know
I feel it's only a matter of time before he learns what talon is doing to him and he just fucks them up
That would be cool if there was like a talon break out story where widow and sig snap out from the brainwashing and have like an escape thing
This kf course caused by sombra to cause chaos among the ranks
*of
peak escarp
Sigma isn't brainwashed
fathom tartan
He's being used
peak escarp
Widowmaker is conditioned, not brainwashed
fathom tartan
She's Brianwashed
peak escarp
Sigma is just isolated and not told anything
fathom tartan
They slowed her heart so she wouldn't feel emotions so they could tell her what to do more easily
limpid agate
That's not what brainwashing means
peak escarp
her heart being slowed is not connected to her emotions being dulled
limpid agate
The word has not once been used to describe any hero.
fathom tartan
!!loreheros widowmaker
peak escarp
one is a physical change, the other is a mental change
fathom tartan
Fuck
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/widowmaker#story
limpid agate
Talon operatives kidnapped her and subjected her to an intense program of neural reconditioning. They broke her will, suppressed her personality, and reprogrammed her as a sleeper agent
She was conditioned
Not brainwashed
They are not synonyms
Widowmaker cannot "snap out" of conditioning
Because that's not how conditioning works.
fathom tartan
Okay
limpid agate
Whoever has been telling you about Overwatch lore
You should stop listening to them
fathom tartan
Then if she's so well conditioned ig her standing at her dead husband's grave isnt anything
limpid agate
She remembers Gerard and respects his memory.
She defends him when Ana insults him, but she never shows regret that she killed him in any interaction
fathom tartan
She's having emotions slip through the cracks is basic charter arks
limpid agate
Like I said. Whoever has been telling you about Overwatch lore
You should stop listening to them
!!loreGuide
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This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
valid terrace
She was trained to have no emotions, not programmed
fathom tartan
Of course she dosent feel much but there is going to be charter development
valid terrace
Of course
But she probably won’t turn on Talon without a very good reason
Sombra not being one of them
fathom tartan
Sombra can fo whatever she want's
*do
She plans to scew over talon she's using talon
So if she we're to tell sigma he's being used and try to help widowmaker there could be something
It would damage talon
And sombra would be on top
But of course she wouldn't just do this
valid terrace
I think you’re vastly overestimating the value of Widow and Sigma against all of Talon
limpid agate
Sombra doesn't plan to "screw over Talon"
fathom tartan
If the man who controls gravity and one of the deadliest assassins cant escape talon then idk
limpid agate
She's just using their resources for her own objectives, and does work for them as an agent.
fathom tartan
She I know but if she were to have two agents go rogue that would distract talon so that they wouldn't focus on her
limpid agate
You're stacking hypotheticals on hypotheticals, and building on existing theories no one is discussing.
grand wedge
You're in a fanfiction right now
limpid agate
I think
limpid agate
Before you start making random speculation
You should probably try to clear up the mistakes and misconceptions you have about the universe.
fathom tartan
Sombra is trying to uncover a big ass conspiracy and is using the Russians gov and talon to help
limpid agate
Wrong.
fathom tartan
Russia sent zarya to try and deal with sombra but it didn't go well
limpid agate
Just back up
valid terrace
She found out everything is connected and she wants to know the truth to gain power from it
limpid agate
And stop building stuff on your already wrong point
valid terrace
Or at least she thinks she found out everything is connected
limpid agate
- Sombra was a hacker since she was a child
- Sombra prided herself on her skill as a hacker
- One day, someone "found" Sombra hacking
- She panicked, installed a computer into her spine, and went searching for whoever "found" her.
fathom tartan
Can I get a pic of the web please
limpid agate
Her philosophy is, whoever has knowledge has power
And if you have knowledge of everything
You would basically control the world
fathom tartan
Someone get a pic of sombra's big web of connections
limpid agate
So she is trying to find the thing that "found" her thinking that it controls the world
We all know what it looks like
fathom tartan
Yes
Know what you would call something with a big web trying to find something with a power of alot of stuff
A conspiracy
fathom tartan
Omfg
valid terrace
Why would she help Sigma because of it
peak escarp
that's not the part you have wrong
limpid agate
For starters
Volskaya
Is not the Russian Government
Its a company, like Mitsubishi or Jeep
It makes cars and military vehicles.
fathom tartan
Okay
limpid agate
And second
Im gonna post this for the fourth time now
I suggest you actually use the website
!!loreHeroes sombra
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To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/sombra#story
valid terrace
You don’t seem to understand her motivation
valid terrace
Just because she can do something doesn’t make it reasonable to do so
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Animated Shorts:
Cinematic Trailer: http://bit.ly/1yhzaCC
Recall: http://bit.ly/1T1Aky8
Alive: http://bit.ly/1PSJV5x
Dragons: http://bit.ly/1WAZs3c
Hero: http://bit.ly/1ToCD1E
The Last Bastion: http://bit.ly/2b3TsNN
Infiltration: http://bit.ly/2emetBC
Rise and Shine: http://bit.ly/2xcMYoH
Honor and Glory: http://bit.ly/2A4FxRa
Shooting Star: https://bit.ly/2MCgtuP
Reunion: https://bit.ly/2AJhhHo
Zero Hour: https://bit.ly/2JGfNBP
Origin Trailers:
Tracer: http://bit.ly/2fDNQxI
Soldier 76: http://bit.ly/1FpWpDB
Ana: http://bit.ly/29zamjl
Sombra: http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
Orisa: http://bit.ly/2liKFy8
King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
Doomfist: http://bit.ly/2tWoWzZ
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
Brigitte: http://bit.ly/2GSto50
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Ashe: https://bit.ly/2F2SPor
Baptiste: https://bit.ly/2TeM1Kq
Sigma: https://bit.ly/2JJTVWE
Echo: https://bit.ly/2IYIwRq
Other Videos:
A Moment in Crime - Junkers: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Are You With Us?: http://bit.ly/2fle4Uw
We Are Overwatch: http://bit.ly/1Pd9XmJ
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2EI9RCZ
Roadtrip: https://bit.ly/2RLk08M
Storm Rising: https://bit.ly/2VOkcXh
limpid agate
I recommend also watching the origin shorts.
fathom tartan
Okay so if talon we're onto sombra your telling me she wouldn't care and wouldn't make any effort to cause them to divert there resources
limpid agate
And he doesn't care.
valid terrace
Exactly
fathom tartan
But if they we're to care
limpid agate
They dont
valid terrace
He doesn’t
grand wedge
As long as she is doing the job they ask her to do - they don't care
valid terrace
You can’t just change the facts
fathom tartan
I mean we see her scew up valksya on purpose sooooo
valid terrace
Yeah
grand wedge
She is more useful alive
fathom tartan
I'm done trying to argue
valid terrace
It was Vialli who wanted her dead I think
limpid agate
Yeah it was Vialli
valid terrace
She wouldn’t go with Talon
fathom tartan
It was just a cool idea and you runied it
valid terrace
But she is still fueling a war so she’s cool in the doom book
limpid agate
The people in this channel have gone over this already
Many many times
We dont mind helping people learn more about the Overwatch universe
fathom tartan
I know the ow universe
limpid agate
We do mind when people are stubbornly insistent that their fanfiction is correct
You don't.
amber rapids
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/sombra#story
This clearly tells Sombra is on the hunt for secrets cuz of it's powers, not because she's good @fathom tartan
limpid agate
You thought Genji was an omnic.
fathom tartan
He is often referred to as half omnic
grand wedge
But he isn't
limpid agate
He is literally never referred to as half omnic.
grand wedge
just because Zarya is stuborn and think he is one doesn't mean he is !
limpid agate
Even then
grand wedge
Genji refers himself as a cyborg
limpid agate
Zarya doesnt think he is one
fathom tartan
Well he feels better in numbni
limpid agate
She just doesnt trust him because he is part machine.
Yeah because Numbani doesnt give a shit about how metallic your body is
fathom tartan
Exactly
limpid agate
That's... Not an exactly?
amber rapids
He was ever referred as a cyborg or "half machine" or ofc "Green Ninja Cyborg dude"
fathom tartan
He is sometimes referred to as a omnic okay
amber rapids
He never was referred as a ominic
fathom tartan
I swear to fuck
amber rapids
The only ones that rly talk about his body were blackwatch in the retribution mission
valid terrace
If you’re that sure just show us the proof and make us all feel stupid
limpid agate
You have now had 5 different users correct you now.
amber rapids
And yet they ever was referring to him as half machine
iron plume
Make that six
fathom tartan
Okay
iron plume
If you are so sure he is
find where he is
limpid agate
Like I said earlier
fathom tartan
Still robot and omnic are both throw around so much it gets confusing
limpid agate
We like helping people learn more
grand wedge
iron plume
Genji is neither
limpid agate
Genj isnt a robot
peak escarp
a cyborg still isn't a robot
amber rapids
GENJI os a cyborg
fathom tartan
I know genji is a cyborg
valid terrace
That’s why the people here have to correct eachother
fathom tartan
I'm not retared
valid terrace
It gets complicated
fathom tartan
I'm just a little stupid
limpid agate
We dont like dealing with people who are stubborn and refuse to learn or accept that they might not know everything.
amber rapids
Ominics arenthe type of robots that were created and we're "living in harmony" with humans
limpid agate
You are making
Very basic mistakes
And theres nothing wrong with that
But then you are arguing that they arent mistakes
grand wedge
Omnics are robots built in an Omnium
limpid agate
And that's why everyone here is getting annoyed.
fathom tartan
Yes like I said "I'm just a little stupid"
valid terrace
Well I’m glad it’s settled then
fathom tartan
Angery
amber rapids
Is Reinhardt a omnic???? xD
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To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/#story
limpid agate
Additionally, DO NOT use the Fandom wiki.
Its not reliable
Use Gamepedia
!!wiki
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fathom tartan
I'm not fucking. Looking at that
I was there when half the characters were released
amber rapids
....
fathom tartan
Iv been here since season 3
limpid agate
If you are refusing to look at the primary source of lore
limpid agate
Then how will you learn anything
fathom tartan
I'm in comp rn brb
limpid agate
Stop learning your lore from Stylosa or Unit Lost or whatever popular Overwatch streamer.
iron plume
I've been since before release but I'm still not better than the wiki at remembering things
limpid agate
90% of Overwatch streamers don't know shit about the lore.
The only one who does is Hammeh.
amber rapids
I recommend him to read the heroes lores from the original site and then go to the OW 2 site where is a timeline of shorts and comics that he can use
limpid agate
I already supplied links to basic guides.
amber rapids
90% of Overwatch streamers don't know shit about the lore.
@limpid agate for them Overwatch is about killing whatever it moves
limpid agate
I wouldnt care if they just made gameplay stuff
But the ones who pretend they know the lore and don't are annoying
And always spread misinformation
valid terrace
Facts
limpid agate
Like Mercy rezzing Reaper, Echo being an omnic, every hero has PTSD, Liao is everyone and their mother.
amber rapids
Every hero has PTSD? Never saw that
amber rapids
I already saw the mercy rezzing reaper
limpid agate
Tons of heroes have it
amber rapids
Lol
I already saw the mercy rezzing reaper
@amber rapids everyone was using this one till Moira released
peak escarp
I could probably go on the forums or reddit right now and find a comment from the last 30 days that says Mercy rezzed Reaper
amber rapids
But Dva?
limpid agate
Its because there was a flashback scene
So people thought it was
A vietnam PTSD flashback
valid terrace
From Shooting Star everyone freaked
limpid agate
Because they forget that movies usually have flashbacks
peak escarp
PTSD is more than just flashbacks
limpid agate
And being sad != PTSD
peak escarp
Bastion shows PTSD-like symptoms
amber rapids
And soldier too
limpid agate
Clearly?
amber rapids
She looks before Soldier came in
peak escarp
she had amnesia
limpid agate
She was not depressed.
amber rapids
She is ever sad about what happened in the past
limpid agate
She had amnesia
valid terrace
Rein has some whole other head trauma
limpid agate
I see people apply the PTSD bat to D.Va, Mei, Ana, Tracer, Winston, Genji, Rein, etc.
peak escarp
being sad != being depressed
amber rapids
For me the only one that rly don't give a shit and just want revenge besides of all is reaper
limpid agate
I dont think people know what PTSD is.
amber rapids
Reaper clearly just gone to talon so he can get his revenge
I see people apply the PTSD bat to D.Va, Mei, Ana, Tracer, Winston, Genji, Rein, etc.
@limpid agate Genji looks like he have PTSD on the retribution mission
He's very edgy there
iron plume
it's body dysphoria if anything
peak escarp
that's body dysphoria
amber rapids
Everytime talking about how he didn't wanted that to happen and blah blah
iron plume
regret isn't PTSD either
valid terrace
Soldier I can maybe see, he already sees every day as a day in war
amber rapids
One thing that most ppl agree is that there's something btw Genji and Mercy especially after we got those stom rising dialogues
valid terrace
It’s suggested yeah
amber rapids
Soldier I can maybe see, he already sees every day as a day in war
@valid terrace he don't even like someone calling him a hero, he seems himself as a villain as the guilty for the OW destruction
valid terrace
I didn’t say he was a hero
peak escarp
the traits of PTSD are:
- re-experiencing the event through distressing recollections, flashbacks or nightmares
- emotional numbness and avoidance of people/places associated with the trauma
- difficulty sleeping/concentrating, or being jumpy and easily irritated
amber rapids
Kinda he is a hero
peak escarp
we see these traits in Bastion and Baptiste, but in anyone else
amber rapids
the traits of PTSD are:
- re-experiencing the event through distressing recollections, flashbacks or nightmares
- emotional numbness and avoidance of people/places associated with the trauma
- difficulty sleeping/concentrating, or being jumpy and easily irritated
@peak escarp I can see soldier in that
peak escarp
how?
grand wedge
I got the new doomfist/genji interaction
atomic cosmos
what did they said ?
amber rapids
The 2nd one and the 3rd one
valid terrace
^
peak escarp
Soldier doesn't have painful recollections, avoid his trauma, or act jumpy or irritated
limpid agate
the third one
Nope
Jack drifted awake. That wasn’t normal. Even before the
army, he’d always been a light sleeper, starting awake at
the slightest disturbance. His eyes adjusted rapidly to the
dim light of the room as he sat up. He was on an old military
surplus cot with a threadbare blanket. His side ached like hell```He was very calm and collected
He's just alert
And it specifies that was prior to the army
valid terrace
True
limpid agate
And he sleeps well too.
valid terrace
I forgot he was always like that
limpid agate
As for the second
amber rapids
Dude, soldier IS a sad person
limpid agate
avoidance of people/places associated with the trauma
grand wedge
Dommfist : If we fight again, I can't promise you'll walk away this time.
Genji : Nor can I.```He is actively hunting down the "past trauma"
peak escarp
compare to Baptiste:
room. The glowing numbers on the screen read 04:03 AM.
The dream lingered in his mind. He could still smell the scent of burning houses.```Oh nice
valid terrace
I think that clears it up tbh
limpid agate
Also a pair of Mercy/Baptiste lines, and a Mercy/Moira line
limpid agate
!!wiki Mercy/Quotes#Interactions
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grand wedge
nice!
amber rapids
What do you guys think about the reasons that Bap is seeking Mercy?
valid terrace
To save her?
limpid agate
^
peak escarp
he says it's to warn her that Talon is after her
amber rapids
Save from what?
valid terrace
He thinks Talon is after her
peak escarp
since Reaper is knocking off names
limpid agate
If you haven't yet
amber rapids
He clearly must know now
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Short Stories:
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
News Reports:
Fading Glory; Jack Morrison: http://bit.ly/2f9TPq4
Experimental Weapon Stolen: http://bit.ly/2fMrKsj
Lucio's Synaesthesia World Tour: http://bit.ly/2flja2U
LumériCo: http://bit.ly/1XAJfd1
Overwatch is Back: http://bit.ly/1TAWebT
LumériCo Revealed: http://bit.ly/2e6P5oj
Portero Steps Down: http://bit.ly/2fk8Bes
Efi Oladele Interview: http://bit.ly/2miMZkT
Horizon Lunar Colony: http://bit.ly/2reMSKx
Attack on Helix: http://bit.ly/2tn45mk
Oslo Attack: https://bit.ly/2uHKXUr
Don Rumbotico: https://bit.ly/2VtzZKX
Documents:
Mei's Adventure: http://bit.ly/2fMxRg4
Torb's Letter: http://bit.ly/2HK4CWa
Venice Declassified: https://bit.ly/2Hs807B
Cuerva: https://bit.ly/2BHEqd9
Travel Guides:
Oasis: http://bit.ly/2iPTM4K
Paris: https://bit.ly/2GEyOoq
amber rapids
After Soldier and Ana little visit that brought reyes to her
limpid agate
It was before
valid terrace
Ah ok
amber rapids
I already read all the short stories
valid terrace
Wait that’s what I mean
fathom tartan
I'm back
peak escarp
months after
limpid agate
Even Bastet is after Recall, and Valkyrie after that
amber rapids
So it means she already know about talon or at least about reaper
amber rapids
Yes
fathom tartan
What are morais motives besides expiration
peak escarp
expiration?
fathom tartan
Exprimtion
amber rapids
And if Valkyrie takes place before WYLB that means Bap worries are kinda of useless
fathom tartan
Experiments
valid terrace
It doesn’t
peak escarp
Moira just wants to progress science
peak escarp
probably not
valid terrace
Not particularly
limpid agate
@amber rapids WYLB takes place days after Recall. Valkyrie takes place months after.
amber rapids
I feel sorry for Moira and Reaper, Moira just wanted to progress science, what she did, and Reaper kinda was betrayed, he was the leader of OW before Morrison stole the title
fathom tartan
Well we was going to be
valid terrace
Those are two different arcs
fathom tartan
*he
limpid agate
Reyes was fine with Jack taking leadership
valid terrace
And one isn’t related to his mental state
limpid agate
1 second...
valid terrace
The Olympia article is subjective
amber rapids
He even makes jokes about it
fathom tartan
Well reaper was planned to be leader but jack stole it from him last second
limpid agate
@fathom tartan Reaper was the leader during the Crisis
amber rapids
And after blackwatch suspension he gets more "angry" about that as you can see on the uprising comic
limpid agate
Jack became the leader after the Crisis
peak escarp
limpid agate
Just about to copy that
peak escarp
I had a feeling
fathom tartan
Hold on
peak escarp
Reyes was the leader of the original strike team
peak escarp
but he wasn't a very good leader, so the UN appointed Jack as strike commander
Reyes was fine with that, since being leader meant he had to follow rules and do things by the book
amber rapids
So why he wanted to be blackwatch leader?
peak escarp
it makes sense that Reyes would lead over Jack - Reyes outranked him in the army
valid terrace
He got to do his own thing without supervision
peak escarp
he made Blackwatch so he could work outside the rules
valid terrace
^
amber rapids
Reyes is more badass than soldier, facts
peak escarp
do all the espionage and assassinations and kidnappings that Overwatch isn't allowed to do
valid terrace
That’s because Soldier is more tender hearted
amber rapids
But look, blackwatch rlyn solved many problems
valid terrace
Not legally
amber rapids
But solved them
valid terrace
Which was the problem for the public
peak escarp
as they say, two wrongs don't make a right
fathom tartan
peak escarp
using crime to stop crime is still illegal
fathom tartan
I had a theory about mcree's arm
amber rapids
The public were hipocrite, in days of war they were calling OW but then when everything was solved... Pah, OW is the villain
fathom tartan
The only commet basically
valid terrace
Whoa
peak escarp
we know that McCree still had his arm when he left Overwatch