the password could be "echo"
#lore-discussion
placid fulcrum
peak escarp
seems weird that they would do something like this one one regional account but not the main account
placid fulcrum
yeah
but if it's supposed to be just a fun lead up to echo, then it could very welll be a local initiative
pliant sparrow
I dont think it's particularly weird
grand wedge
their twitter account it new, so maybe it's just something to get attention on that and get some hype from it?
limpid agate
Its nothing
Its a mix of scenes from Recall
Starting here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB5zlHMsM7k&t=6m42s
peak escarp
welcome! if you have any questions about the lore and story of Overwatch, we can help you out
old snow
yeah, my question is kinda a what would happen
peak escarp
what would happen?
old snow
what if hanzo never found out that the man that tried to kill him was genji?
limpid agate
What
I dont think you understood anything that happened in the short.
I recommend watching it again
peak escarp
yes, it was Genji
limpid agate
Genji was never trying to kill him
And Hanzo finds out it was Genji at the end of the fight
primal escarp
in the OW2 trailer, how does genji's hoodie work?
where does it stop being a hoodie is his cybernetic "skin"
big confusion
peak escarp
I think the shoulders of the hoodie are cut out so his vents aren't blocked
primal escarp
but like, is it just his normal cybernetic suit but now it has a hood?
peak escarp
he's wearing a hoodie over his cybernetic body
and pants
he didn't wear clothes before because he didn't feel like the cybernetics were part of his body
pliant sparrow
I still think it's a bit strange that genji went for his throat when he jumped on top of hanzo in that short
old snow
@pliant sparrow well, hanzo thought that genji was there to kill him, so i guess genji had no choice but to fight back? i mean, if i was gonna reconnect with someone and they tried to kill me, i'd be in
a self-defense mode
pliant sparrow
But genji went on the full offence leading up to him jumping on him
He kicked him against the fence which fairly clearly stunned hanzo
old snow
i guess. don't entirely remember the film
so, your point is that genji wasn't necessarily defending himself?
and also
about the arabic message
one time i was messing around with arabic on my phone
and it types backwards
foggy notch
Thats the same issue ive been wondering and made a forum of it on ow
About a yearago
Lorewise just try to go with the flow dont overthink some parts. Like when rein tries to defend only two soldiers in his short film,are they all there left out of an army? Orhow couldn't bastions shoot two slow moving soldiers from that close distance? My answer is just go with th flow.
peak escarp
he defends those two soldiers because they are the unit he's supposed to be protecting
and they didn't die because the story needed drama
pliant sparrow
The genji one is still a bit eh to me, all it did was bait out dragon strike for the 'cool' dragon scene which could have been done many other ways
old snow
oh dude so exited for ow2 story, gonna add so much to the lore
peak escarp
I'm excited for it too, although the wait is a struggle
worthy rose
Will it end the lore of Overwatch?\
supple pivot
wrong chat sorry
peak escarp
@worthy rose I don't think it will end the whole story, just the Null Sector arc
dapper haven
I'm hoping we see talon
worthy rose
Im pretty sure we will
dapper haven
I hope we get missions centred around them
Also if they did dlc in the form of old/flashback missions I would be okay with paying for that
worthy rose
Me too i want to see Reaper fighting Soldier in the Overwatch headquaters
peak escarp
I'd just settle for knowing when that attack happened
dapper haven
Yeah
I want to see something interesting happen with Echo in ow2
She hadn't been exposed to anyone "bad" before McCree had released her and shes made to copy those around her
Also could Sombra hack and corrupt her
dapper haven
Considering how strong Echo seems to be, Talon could want her power idk
worthy rose
Will Reaper ever redeem himself?
Actually nevermind Reaper did nothing wrong so no reason for him to be redeemed.He is great,noble man
limpid agate
!!shitposting @worthy rose
twilit nacelleBOT
@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
primal escarp
what?
Puca, something tells me that the only reason why the deadlock gang was there with Echo's egg thingy, was because talon tipped them and told them to get it for them
peak escarp
it's implied that McCree tipped them off
primal escarp
that doesnt mean that he tipped them though
what i got from that was he got wind of it
although i can understand the argument going both ways
peak escarp
why would Talon tip them off though? that doesn't make sense
primal escarp
talon works from the shadows
if they sent their own men to get echo, and OW found out, that would result in an all out brawl
peak escarp
why would they contact the leader of a gang to attack the train? why not just attack it themselves?
Talon has far more resources than Deadlock
primal escarp
because it would be much easier to clean up if they had the deadlock retrieve it, and then finish off the deadlock
instead of getting it themselves, and dealing with OW
peak escarp
Talon wouldn't be afraid of a fight with Overwatch, especially since "Overwatch" at this point is just Winston, Tracer and Mei
primal escarp
they dont know that
you can clearly see that in OW2, the trailer, they had a lot more
peak escarp
why wouldn't they?
primal escarp
meaning they all got the message
peak escarp
Reaper attacked Winston
primal escarp
because winston was trying to send out a message
one that they most likely intercepted
and they wanted to hack winston's computer
peak escarp
Reunion happens before Zero Hour
primal escarp
unless im remembering the vid wrong
peak escarp
so Reinhardt, Brigitte, Genji, Mercy haven't answered the recall yet
primal escarp
Talon has members that are strong, that is without a doubt, but they can be just sending members in hoping that they can finish off OW members
if you recall, winston held them off
and lived
even with it being a 3v1
which ingame would have ended a very quick and less gruesome fight
peak escarp
in-game abilities don't represent canon abilities/strength
primal escarp
i know, i just find it funny
and also, Talon's leader, is Doomfist
and although the dude is known for his muscles and strength, he is a very very cunning and smart man
one who knows what to do to get what he wants
primal escarp
how so?
peak escarp
he probably knows that the Deadlock gang would likely want to keep Echo for themselves, rather than hand it over to Talon
primal escarp
what i was assuming was, they had the Deadlock gang retrieve Echo, and meet up in a designated area
once there, they simply have the Ex-Blackwatch members eliminate everyone on sight that opposes them
peak escarp
Ashe isn't the type to take orders from anyone
primal escarp
and simply make it look like a gang fight went on and leave
peak escarp
you're making a lot of assumptions
primal escarp
i mean, what else can i make?
peak escarp
you can make inferences based on what we do know
we know that Ashe and McCree have history
primal escarp
We know that Ashe is the head of a massive gang
peak escarp
we know that McCree seemed to know that Ashe was acting on a tip
primal escarp
but i dont believe that McCree was the one to give the tip to her
why go through all that trouble, just to meet up with her again?
It seems like a lot of work just for one reunion
dapper haven
Yeah
primal escarp
then why tip Ashe?
dapper haven
Wasnt she put into storage after Liao died
peak escarp
because she has the resources to take down the train
McCree does not
and he must have known that it would pass through Deadlock Gorge
primal escarp
yea, she was iirc
she was her pride and joy
but after the whole OW incident, everything related to OW was shut down
meaning Echo was most likely put to sleep or "shut down"
hence the statement she makes when she is "woken" up again about how long she has been out for
and McCree was most likely the one to do it as he was the one with the chip
and the whole reunion between McCree and Echo seemed like they were really close
dapper haven
Yeah
primal escarp
it gave me the same vibes as genji and mercy
dapper haven
Was he security for Liao when she was working on Echo
primal escarp
im not sure
peak escarp
yes
primal escarp
nvm, he was
dapper haven
I remember a video saying that but idk if its confirmed anywhere
primal escarp
that would explain why Echo is really close to McCree
dapper haven
Yeah
limpid agate
What's this about
primal escarp
what i wonder was, why didnt Liao ever make a copy of herself and implement that into a robot like Echo?
peak escarp
After thousands of hours in the scientist’s presence, much of Liao’s behaviors (including her speech), were adopted by the Echo robot. This secret that was known by very few, including Blackwatch agent Jesse McCree, who had, at times, been assigned to guard the scientist.
maybe that wasn't possible
limpid agate
why didnt Liao ever make a copy of herself
How do you make a copy of yourself
Liao isn't a program
dapper haven
Echo adopted Liao's traits though
primal escarp
pull a GLADOS
primal escarp
but the tech is there
limpid agate
Source?
primal escarp
portals exists in both worlds
and AI is a thing
Echo is as smart, if not smarter, than any human
limpid agate
I guess that means there should be space travel in Overwatch, because both Overwatch and Star Wars have blaster rifles.
primal escarp
and is able to thing independently on her own
peak escarp
Echo is as smart as any omnic
primal escarp
and that a joke, Taiga
dapper haven
Only McCree really knows that
primal escarp
learn sarcasm
limpid agate
Learn to make a proper theory first.
primal escarp
i meant it in complete satire
twilit nacelleBOT
Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
peak escarp
this is a serious discussion channel
primal escarp
i legit was making a harmless joke
peak escarp
we don't do jokes
limpid agate
Don't care.
primal escarp
hence the name echo
limpid agate
She has a high level machine learning.
She is capable of learning things by observation, and then replicating it.
Feed Echo a decade of Liao's personality
And she is able to replicate it
We have that kind of technology today.
Just not on robots.
And not to the extent of Echo
primal escarp
Liao was a major factor in the creation of Omnics
limpid agate
Yes.
primal escarp
i wonder what affects that had on Echo
limpid agate
Its why Echo is so advanced.
Echo is the sequel to the Omnics
The Omniums, like Echo, were built with self-improving algorythms
primal escarp
well yes, i know that, but Echo must know that her creator/mother was the reason why the world was thrown into turmoil
limpid agate
I guess its more specific to say
Liao made the Omniums, which then made the Omnics
And she also made Echo
The omnics are nothing special
primal escarp
and so i wonder what "emotional" effects that have on her
peak escarp
we don't know much about Echo's thoughts on her creator
limpid agate
Its the Omniums that are what's special
primal escarp
exactly, we dont know how she feels
peak escarp
but we haven't seen much of Echo - we might find out her thoughts in her voice lines or future appearances
primal escarp
all we know is how she feels towards the current OW members, and especially Jessie
dapper haven
Ow2 will most likely show how echo feels
primal escarp
Im hoping as well that OW2 shows more of Echo
limpid agate
Echo seems to have a pretty blank personality so far. She seems to be a mostly clean slate.
primal escarp
she seems like a very very promising character
limpid agate
Maybe interactions will change that
dapper haven
It will more than likely show more of her
primal escarp
Im just scared about what can happen to her
with Sombra being the little hacker she is
dapper haven
Yep
primal escarp
and according to her, nothing can't be hacked
meaning even Echo can be hacked and turned against OW
limpid agate
What does Sombra have to gain.
primal escarp
A lot actually
limpid agate
She's interested in information, not raw power.
primal escarp
they can record everything that Echo sees
control Echo and move her into places where she can learn even more
limpid agate
Okay, but why Echo rather than just any normal drone
dapper haven
And Echo's ai more than likely gathers information
primal escarp
She basically has a puppet whom she can manipulate
because OW trusts Echo a lot more than a drone
which is why they would be able to spill more with Echo
limpid agate
Meh. I don't see it
dapper haven
It'll be interesting to see echo develop a morality of her own as shes exposed to more of the world
primal escarp
^^^
dapper haven
Especially null sector and talon
primal escarp
I mean, she's gonna get to a point in her software where she must begin to break free from constantly being an "echo" of others
and start developing as a character
also, how much information can Echo really store?
dapper haven
She seems to show some personality during ow2 gameplay
When Tracer comments on her piloting
primal escarp
She has to run out at some point right? What if she reaches the limit of the amount of info she can store? is she gonna start overriding information?
limpid agate
She did develop a personality, so to speak. Liao's.
peak escarp
probably
dapper haven
Cant the same be said about all omnics too
peak escarp
the same could be said of people - they tend to forget older information in favor of new info
primal escarp
i dont know if im getting to existential or not but Echo's AI is something that both highly intrigues me but also terrifies me
like in the origin story Liao herself says "you are my life's work, you will be everything i dreamed, all i wanted, all i needed was to help them all"
dapper haven
She has so much potential lore wise
primal escarp
at the start of that, she sounded really desperate, like almost crying for help
and it really makes you wonder why Liao really built Echo in the first place
There is just so many ways that Echo can turn out
also Echo is being released in two days, im so excited
:D
dapper haven
Still want to see what happened to cause her death
dapper haven
Yeah but where and when
primal escarp
probably a raid happened
what else? Echo was being built during the omnic war, right?
Plus, it seems logical to hunt down someone who was used the in creation of Omnics, right? Sort of like silencing those who know too much and keeping those who dont know out of the loop?
peak escarp
we don't know when Echo was built
peak escarp
yes
the first omnic crisis was ~30-25 years ago
Overwatch was disbanded 5 years ago
primal escarp
so it's somewhere between the Omnic war and the OW shutdown
peak escarp
that's a 20 year span
dapper haven
primal escarp
but the explosion doesnt seems like something that could have happened due to a bad experiment
dapper haven
Seems it was around or shortly after the omnic crisis
peak escarp
right
we hear her yelling about someone "breaching the labs" at the beginning of Echo's origin trailer
so it was definitely an attack
dapper haven
"However, due to Overwatch’s restrictions on artificial intelligence research and development after the Omnic Crisis, Liao was forced to limit Echo’s capabilities"
primal escarp
that's why i inferred it was a raid
primal escarp
See!!
limpid agate
?
primal escarp
they kaboomed the facility and killed her in the blast
but who raided tho
that's the real question
talon?
primal escarp
or another faction?
primal escarp
good question
peak escarp
we don't know
limpid agate
The earliest mention of Talon chronologically is that Gerard was head of anti-Talon operations.
peak escarp
8 years ago
primal escarp
but want gerard killed?
limpid agate
~7 years ago, yes.
The earliest we've seen Talon was 8 years ago, and we were told they've been fucking about for a long time prior to that
So we dont know how old it is
primal escarp
what about the whole Null sector thing?
what are the chances that the raid was by the null sector?
limpid agate
Null Sector was first seen 7 years ago. We dont know if they ever did something before that.
dapper haven
Hopefully ow2 clears this up
primal escarp
Hopefully
limpid agate
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primal escarp
holy
limpid agate
Nah I got nothing.
Was thinking that maybe it was related to the Anubis shutdown, but that doesn't make sense.
primal escarp
I would just like the mention that the "love" between McCree and Echo is like that of Wall-E and Eva
and you can't even deny that
limpid agate
What the fuck
peak escarp
"affection" would be a better word
primal escarp
call it shitposting if you want, but it's true
dapper haven
Yeah, affection is a better word
primal escarp
yeah, i just couldnt think of the word, so i used the first one that popped in my head
peak escarp
McCree probably feels responsible for Echo
since it was his job to guard Liao (and he ultimately failed at that)
primal escarp
without a doubt, i mean he was assigned to protect Liao
that's probably why he kept the final chip to reactivate Echo
dapper haven
Could he have lost his arm in that attack?
primal escarp
or so i believe
i dont think so
because Echo said during their reunion "what happened to your arm"
peak escarp
probably not
primal escarp
if it was during the attack, wouldnt Echo have remembered?
peak escarp
McCree lost his arm after Overwatch was disbanded
primal escarp
or was Echo not activated?
dapper haven
Six is right
primal escarp
oh yeah, whatever happened with Jack and his lover?
dapper haven
Unless the fall of overwatch and Liao's death were close to each other
Someone said that his lover moved on
primal escarp
really? I was under the impression he died or something
dapper haven
Jack was always involved with some war or fight
peak escarp
Jack and Vincent broke up during the omnic crisis because Jack put Overwatch first
Vincent eventually married and moved on
peak escarp
it was to show that Jack's mission is his life
primal escarp
breaking up with a man for putting the safety of his men and everyone else, above him
even though what Jack was doing was also keeping him safe as well
and i really hope Jack comes back in OW2 but with the way he's going, i dont think so
peak escarp
and like he says at the end of Old Soldiers - "I'm a soldier, Ana. Our war's never over."
dapper haven
Maybe a mission with him and Ana chasing Reaper
primal escarp
yeah but his war is now fighting as an "anti-hero"
sort of like batman or whatever
peak escarp
pretty much
primal escarp
he's now in the shadows
so i doubt he would just come out of the shadows and just be like "HEY WINSTON WHAT UP"
and become the leader again
peak escarp
he's not interested in joining Winston
limpid agate
Rein is probably the only founder who will rejoin Overwatch.
Torb is retired
Jack and Ana are on their crusade
Reyes is a villain
Liao is dead
primal escarp
but Torb's daughter is joining in his place
so it'll be like he's there in spirit
plus, Brig is just Rein Jr.
but can heal
peak escarp
Reyes, Ogundimu, Maximilien, Vialli, Sombra, O’Deorain, and the rest of them. They’ll be dealt with.”```She even cares a lot about Rein, telling him to stay out of OW as he's done his duty
dapper haven
Rein seemed to be a better father to her than Torb
primal escarp
i think letting winston do what he wants is a very very smart move
it keeps the light off jack and let him do his stuff even easier
primal escarp
because anyone who isnt part of the new OW is going to be presumed either dead or MIA
peak escarp
he was probably a good father
primal escarp
i wouldnt say father, but i do think that Rein is her god father
limpid agate
I wouldnt say Torb was a worse father
More that
She idolizes Reinhardt
Torb is her dad
Rein is her hero
primal escarp
Who wouldnt idolize Rein?
limpid agate
Pharah also idolizes Reinhardt.
primal escarp
the man went through so much
you can't help but feel in awe when you meet him and hear about his legends
"Live with honor, die with glory"
primal escarp
I always tear up inside when i see Rein holding his old and beaten up OW symbol
wait Ana died?
what?!
dapper haven
She was presumed dead
primal escarp
wasnt she just shot in the eye by widowmaker?
peak escarp
she was MIA after losing a sniper battle with Widowmaker 6 years ago
she ended up with amnesia and went into hiding
primal escarp
wasnt her eye also a cybernetic eye as well?
dapper haven
And Soldier and Reaper were presumed dead after the overwatch headquarters were destroyed
peak escarp
yes, her eye was cybernetic
the Egyptian army gave their snipers cybernetic eyes to aid in sniping
primal escarp
i just feel really really bad for Rein
dapper haven
In terms of lore outside in game interactions, are soldier and Reaper the only ones who know Ana is alive?
primal escarp
every time i watch Honor and glory, i cant help but feel really sad inside for him
and i think so
peak escarp
Mercy also knows
primal escarp
she does?
dapper haven
Oh yeah
peak escarp
they went to see her in Valkyrie
dapper haven
The short story
dapper haven
What about it
dapper haven
Yeah
primal escarp
i dont want to be called out for shitposting again, but in portal, at least someone from outside tampered with the reserve power supply
so how does it work in OW?
dapper haven
Maybe there was just a fault
peak escarp
the cryochambers probably failed one by one and hers was the last one to go
if Winston's message hadn't woken her up, she would have died too
primal escarp
seems a bit to coincidental for it to just be "a fault"
dapper haven
How long were they meant to be in the chambers for?
primal escarp
a year or two at most iirc
peak escarp
probably only a few months to a year
long enough to wait out the massive polar ice storm
primal escarp
it was only so that they could gather a bit of research
but no one expected to go beyond that
dapper haven
I'd love to hear Mei talk about it to Winston in ow2
peak escarp
Mei's story changed a bit from the beta
primal escarp
also going sequentially, the pod that Mei was in, should not have been the last one
as it wasnt on either ends
rather iirc, i was in the middle-ish
peak escarp
originally she was the one who designed the cryopods, and she was found still frozen in them
Mei's pod was on the end
dapper haven
Was it
primal escarp
oh, was it?
dapper haven
Yeah
peak escarp
dapper haven
Look at ecopoint too
peak escarp
it's nearest to the door
primal escarp
aahh. my apologize then
dapper haven
So that's a possibility
peak escarp
dapper haven
If you go into the ecopoint map you can clearly see it too
dapper haven
I would love to see her asking Winston about what caused the error or whatever
primal escarp
also Mei's journey from Antartica also seems high implausible
dapper haven
Though I don't know if she'd be willing to speak about it considering her reaction when Moira asks
primal escarp
but you dont know if any are even functional
peak escarp
she could have easily hiked to the nearest one and gotten a ride back to civilization from there
dapper haven
Is the training room in Antarctica?
primal escarp
or if the resources there can even be used
i dont think they had MREs just lying around
peak escarp
even today Antarctica has around 2000 people who live in various bases around the continent
primal escarp
but they have constant help from the outside world
and none go into a cryopod for 9 years
peak escarp
and?
Mei's ecopoint was abandoned, doesn't mean all the other research stations were also abandoned
dapper haven
Okay the training room is in Switzerland
primal escarp
it just doesnt seem likely to me, that's all
dapper haven
Echo was initially in the ow base in Switzerland too
peak escarp
according to Ecopoint Antarctica's position on Winston's map, it's located pretty close to the present day location of Casey Station, which is run by Australia
dapper haven
Also if the research stations were all overwatch owned, they would more than likely abandoned
peak escarp
why would they all be Overwatch owned?
dapper haven
I'm saying if they were
primal escarp
because ecopoint Antartica was owned by OW
you can only infer about the rest
but if it would make sense to have multiple ecopoints
peak escarp
so because one base is owned by OW, they all are?
that's bad logic
there are other ecopoints
primal escarp
there are
peak escarp
just not in Antarctica
peak escarp
there's watchpoints/ecopoints around the world
the decommissioned ones appear to be in Antarctica, Hawaii and Russia
dapper haven
valid terrace
Pharah also knows that Ana is alive assuming she received and read the letter
limpid agate
She did
atomic cosmos
did she hate her mother ?
swift pivot
mental spoke
pharah is gay
zinc vector
no she isnt
worthy rose
pharah is not gay
pharmercy is not canon
well actually
its not confirmed
idk if we know pharahs sexuality but honestly who cares
lavish elm
Remember the Paris secret room?
What if someone played the Sigma music on the piano and that was what opened it
worthy rose
imean
have you tried it
also where is this paris secret room at in the map?
i heard of it before i just dont know where it is exactly
lavish elm
No my aim isn't good enough
plus I don't play piano
I do play guitar though, the secret room believed to be near attackers spawn, due to music coming from a certain door. I suggest you watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVKtiT7dUI0 @worthy rose it was believed to be a baptiste clue
grand wedge
The hidden door in Paris is just a rectangular room with nothing inside.
And the song played was the same as the omnic club in Numbani (first defenser spawn)
pliant sparrow
Just go into a paris replay if you want to be able to look inside the room
lavish elm
Yes but what if something would spawn in and wasn't preset in the room
peak escarp
there is no secret door
peak escarp
Jeff doesn't seem to know that we already found Green Hills of Stranglethorn
pliant sparrow
I didn't hear about that
peak escarp
why does it matter?
cosmic crest
Mainly because it would portray the sterotype of lesbian women being vaguely masculine
@peak escarp I mean, it doesn't?
cosmic crest
On mobius 😛
peak escarp
Blizzardworld
grand wedge
Yes but precisely
grand wedge
Thanks
frosty shell
Also, the fact that it's called Ecopoint: Antarctica indicates there aren't other ecopoints in Antarctica
placid fulcrum
new tweet on the blizzardme twitter:
Mission:
Date: April 13, 2020
The sender: Anna Ammari
Location: Cairo
The message: “How are you? The anonymous sender is the one who holds the password. It appears that the source of the message is near me and we only have a one-day deadline. Everyone in the region depends on me ... Winston .. # Show them_ your strength.”
one-day deadline? confirmation it's for echo release
also some redditors speculate that there will be a release of a new middle east server
peak escarp
probably related to a new server
whoever made these posts doesn't seem to know the lore, so it's likely some PR person
solemn surge
Which sides do you think Sombra and Symmetra will fall on in OW2
Because they're both sort of toss-ups
peak escarp
Sombra is on her own side
solemn surge
For Sym, she'd obviously like to protect people but her employer is league with talon
peak escarp
Symmetra . . . it depends what she decides to do about her employer being scummy
solemn surge
And Sombra can be pretty cold (killing people just to get a conversation with volskaya) but she also cares about her home town and went after Lumerico for exploiting it
So is Michael Chu the only writer for overwatch?
And is it a part time job like being a mall santa claus?
peak escarp
he's not the writer anymore
Blizzard has a team of writers
Andrew Robinson, Matt Burns, Alyssa Wong, to name a few
stiff hamlet
I’m not sure about what side Symmetra might fall in.
But for Sombra, she has her own side.
She’s on side Sombra.
grand wedge
That's some weird ARG?
cosmic crest
Symmetra means well, it's the company she works for that's shady
she doesn't know they work with Talon
worthy rose
tulip blade
Wrecking Ball's default skin is weird. Like what's timeline would that be?
It's not made from scraps like other ppl from Junker Town... the one that fit his lore would be Junker skin like the rest of the cast... So where's the current default skin from?
peak escarp
it's how his mech looks after leaving Junkertown
tulip blade
No wonder they said they had hard time doing OW2 skin for Hammond...
peak escarp
tulip blade
^ yeah, It's weird that it made from Junker Town yet it;s so clean and not made from scraps
peak escarp
maybe it's not technically canon
we haven't seen it outside the origin trailer, and the trailer gives us no reference on when it should appear in the timeline
tulip blade
It's would be more understandable if the current skin is OW2 skin, but in OW2 he'd get a new mech again
worthy rose
is wrecking ball neutral to the main storyline?
peak escarp
classic skins we haven't seen (* marks ones only seen in origin stories)
Baptiste*
Bastion
Doomfist*
Mei
Moira*
Sigma*
Wrecking Ball*
and Zenyatta and Lucio, but they haven't made any lore appearances yet
worthy rose
wait they released more classic skins?
limpid agate
We've seen Mei, Zenyatta, and Lucio
grand wedge
Lucio on his tour posters
limpid agate
Well, Mei is debatable
Lucio was on tour posters, one featured here.
Zen was in this comic
limpid agate
Mei is debatable
peak escarp
forgot about Zen though
limpid agate
peak escarp
so never mind those three
there are still a few classic/default appearances we haven't seen
limpid agate
Bastion, and the origin shorts.
peak escarp
Bastion in Binary is more of a faded orange (like Overgrown minus the plants), compared to the cream/off-white of its classic skin
which makes sense for the story
dapper haven
Hammond "converted an empty fuel pod into a makeshift escape capsule with a claw arm and tether, and secretly hitched it to the bottom Winston's craft"
And he modified that pod into the ball
onyx panther
Ngl, that question is incredibly cursed
limpid agate
@glad socket This is a SFW server.
glad socket
oh im sorry i was just really curious
echo gate
so is talon aware of sombra only answering to herself and what she wants
peak escarp
because Katya Volskaya wants her to hunt down Sombra
it continues in the comic Searching
echo gate
ahh i assumed that was the case
sounds kind of dumb tho like....
won’t sombra just release the pics of her
peak escarp
Blackmail is only valuable until you use it
hot snow
Who do you guys think is the least important/least involved hero in the overwatch lore?
worthy rose
sigma
hot snow
Zenyatta was a huge plot point for genji so I wouldn't say him
worthy rose
he's just there
peak escarp
but he doesn't really do anything
hot snow
Same with baptiste
peak escarp
Baptiste has more potential
hot snow
Baptiste doesn't have many connections
worthy rose
baptiste will probablys join overwatch imo
peak escarp
he's supposed to go meet Mercy at some point
peak escarp
at the end of Baptiste's
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
yeah i'd say he has potential
id still say sigma
ashe has beef with mccree, zen is a big thing in genjis plot
id say
sigma or hammond
peak escarp
Ashe and Zen have about the same importance
both are pretty low
they are tertiary characters
worthy rose
sigma and hammond are still the most unimportant in my opinion
like
atleast hammond has the horizon thing
sigma is just
like
peak escarp
I doubt they'll revisit Horizon in the story
worthy rose
there for no reason
peak escarp
Sigma . . . yeah, he doesn't serve much purpose
worthy rose
d.va doesnt serve that much but people love her so
but she does have the gwishin plot point
peak escarp
she's a fan favourite, and she has potential to be important later as part of the next generation of heroes
the gameplay trailer for OW2 hinted that there would be a mission in Korea
worthy rose
hm
worthy rose
doomfist is the leader of talon right
peak escarp
kinda, but that's more Doomfist
worthy rose
idk whether pharah will be in the old soldiers plot or the main one
peak escarp
she might go from one to the other
we have to wait and see how she responds to Ana's letter
peak escarp
Junkertown is a subplot
the confrontation with Deadlock was part of getting Echo back so she could answer the recall
I don't really see Ashe showing up again or being important to the plot
worthy rose
sad 😦
valid terrace
I feel like McCree will need her help at some point, for no other reason that she’s a character in the game that is otherwise unimportant
valid terrace
Convinced for money or a share of spoils
Probably not in the vanilla campaign but she’ll likely return in some form
I’d hate to see her essentially shelved but her position limits the number of ways she can impact the universe
She’s just a small gang leader
dapper haven
Maybe McCree would suggest her for help? But I doubt it.
valid terrace
It would have to be McCree or Talon enlisting their help for various reasons
dapper haven
The deadlock gang were able to steal Echo from wherever she was stored so they have potential
valid terrace
They blew up an American military transport
limpid agate
Sounds like stretching for the sake of connection.
dapper haven
Will we even see much McCree in ow2?
valid terrace
I’m coming from the stance that she will be connected again at least temporarily and that is the best reason I can see
It’s looking unlikely at least for the first half
limpid agate
I doubt we will see McCree
Ashe is one of if not the least likely heroes to appear in the campaign
valid terrace
I agree
dapper haven
I also dont see how Junkrat would have a place
valid terrace
I’m saying in the future not in the campaign
dapper haven
Unless his treasure means anything
limpid agate
In the future, neither McCree or Talon would need her help
Depends on the business model
But I would say, best case, a Deadlock themed season or expansion
Would bring her back into the limelight, along with a couple Deadlock heroes
She has no reason to join Talon.
dapper haven
I'd be okay with paying for story expansions based around different groups
limpid agate
Its her way, or her way.
valid terrace
Maybe it’s being overly optimistic in saying Talon wants more artifacts similar to in Train Hopper
limpid agate
I dont think we will see that MacGuffin again
valid terrace
But that comic is useless if that isn’t the case
limpid agate
The comic was to show us that Blackwatch had leaked into Talon.
valid terrace
True
dapper haven
The base story looks to just be centred around the zero hour group, Lucio and the new heroes most likely
valid terrace
Probably Orisa as well
dapper haven
Why her?
valid terrace
She is almost certainly going to be swept up in the conflict as the defender of an Omnic human paradise, and Efi is an Overwatch fan
She’s more likely than any of the others besides Lúcio
limpid agate
Bastion
Is the most likely
Based on Torbjorn, and Jeff's comments.
Torbjorn is retired, and Jeff said Bastion will play a major role in the campaign
limpid agate
I hope Helix is an enemy faction.
It would give Pharah a dilemma and also give her an excuse to be relevant
Choose between Overwatch and Helix.
Both of them are "the good guys"
valid terrace
Yeah
limpid agate
To elaborate a little, my idea is Helix would be enforcing the Petras Act.
valid terrace
Overwatch is technically a terrorist organization isn’t it?
valid terrace
Legally there’s little difference, people shouldn’t take the law into their own hands
limpid agate
A terrorist's mission is to cause terror. A vigilante's job is to enforce their idea of justice because the law isn't.
There is a difference legally
Both are illegal
But that's like saying there's little difference between Tax Evasion and Grand Theft Auto.
valid terrace
More like saying there’s little difference between Null Sector and Overwatch
At least in face value
Both are killing for their “justice”
prisma wren
@low gate go to lfg
echo gate
do you think it would’ve been possible for sombra to join ow instead of talon
like she doesn’t believe in either
valid terrace
Talon has better resources for her to further her own goals
Not to mention they aren’t exactly following the law themselves
dapper haven
Basically Moira's reason too
valid terrace
Right
peak escarp
Sombra will use whoever can help her achieve her goals
primal escarp
pretty sure Sombra isnt a pawn, in fact, i think it's the other way around
Sombre wants information on others more than anything, and Talon can get her the information she wants
with OW, they have guidelines and regulations that restrict their members from doing anything that would damage their reputations, but Talon doesn't work like that
meaning Sombre can achieve helluva lot more in Talon than she ever will in OW
But i never understood why she wanted to become a hacker of her status in the first place
With her skills she can be a very very powerful asset on her own, one that is on the same level as a ICBM, but instead she chooses to simply hack and see other's info?
peak escarp
to her, information is power
stiff hamlet
If you hold the information, you hold all the cards.
peak escarp
exactly
stiff hamlet
And if I’m being honest, information is power to some.
Having information is a really good thing to have.
Especially with what’s going on in the Overwatch story.
primal escarp
but she can go so much further
she can become the next head of the underworld if she really wanted
but why doesnt she?
with her hacking skills, i doubt she doesnt have stuff on every council member in Talon
valid terrace
By having everyone else in your pocket, you essentially rule the world without a public presence
valid terrace
She wants a little dirt on everyone
primal escarp
until they can no longer provide
valid terrace
Talon provides a shovel
primal escarp
to which she moves to another provider?
valid terrace
Right
They keep her around for her skills, she stays for the connections and resources
stiff hamlet
She’ll probably ditch them once she has whatever she needs.
Or should I say, whatever she wants.
primal escarp
hmm
valid terrace
She’ll stay until it’s unsafe for her there or until they’re effectively controlled by her
stiff hamlet
I really want to see more of her story.
And see her interacting with more people from Overwatch.
Like, imagine Sombra finding out about Echo.
valid terrace
She knows about Echo
primal escarp
of course she does
stiff hamlet
Do you think that canon wise, she could hack Echo? Or is she “too advanced” or something?
primal escarp
she can
valid terrace
But Echo is essentially just a flashy toy to her, she doesn’t provide an edge on anyone in particular
primal escarp
without a doubt
valid terrace
She very likely could be hacked
primal escarp
echo is just a very advanced omnic
primal escarp
but like every thing, if there is a will, there is a way
all locks can be picked, just like all machines can be hacked
it just takes some time depending on how advanced it is
stiff hamlet
I wonder if she’ll ever even need to. I’m going to guess not, but who knows.
valid terrace
Sombra believes everyone has a weakness that she can exploit, it’s just a matter of finding and using it
primal escarp
If sombre can hack Echo, that will be very nice on her part
valid terrace
How so?
stiff hamlet
I wonder what she’d use her for though.
primal escarp
Echo is basically a carbon copy of Liao, one of the co creators of the omnics
and not only that, but Echo's learning ability is to copy what she sees
Echo can basically become a copy of anyone
valid terrace
Having Overwatch as an enemy just to have a robot minion may not be worth it to her
primal escarp
with this, as long as they are in constant contact with Echo, Echo can learn everything simply by interacting
OW already is her enemy
valid terrace
She likely has a stashed favor from McCree just for helping him
peak escarp
how is that nice?
primal escarp
She's part of Talon
primal escarp
But she is a known player to Zarya
valid terrace
Zarya isn’t OW
primal escarp
a prominent figure in Russia
who are working on creating massive Omnic techs of their own
eventually, OW will have to come in contact with them
primal escarp
They have tho, havent they?
valid terrace
There are Omnics attacking Russia independently of the current war
stiff hamlet
Isn’t Russia getting things from Omnics though?
primal escarp
Volskya Industries is hella sketchy if you ask me
peak escarp
Volskaya is getting tech from different omnics than the ones they're fighting
primal escarp
they do stuff that is very much bad
peak escarp
some omnics probably don't want war - they want peace with humans
valid terrace
It’s a puppet war to Volskaya
stiff hamlet
I wonder what would happen if Sombra actually released that info.
valid terrace
She doesn’t make money without the Omnics fighting
primal escarp
Many people dont want war
valid terrace
She doesn’t
primal escarp
Hmm
peak escarp
she's a weapons/mech manufacturer
valid terrace
Cards are more powerful before you reveal them
peak escarp
without a war, she makes no profit
primal escarp
Stealth, Sombre will most likely never release it
unless she is backed in a corner
stiff hamlet
Then again, Sombra was probably just toying with her when she said that.
primal escarp
which never happens with Sombre
valid terrace
She was fairly backed in Searching imo
primal escarp
it's sort of like a parent counting down from 3 to 1, it's a method used to scare her opponents into submission
valid terrace
It’s blackmail
valid terrace
It’s a constant ultimatum that forces someone to obey you
primal escarp
hacking the omnic, and making zarya retreat
peak escarp
the only thing that had Sombra worried was when Zarya knew her name
primal escarp
Also blackmail only works if they fear the person with it
primal escarp
If Mrs.Ceo of Volskya simply says "bet, release it, see what happens" the blackmail is no longer useful
stiff hamlet
Question
valid terrace
And Volskaya loses all credibility and likely gets arrested
stiff hamlet
What exactly did Sombra want from her again?
valid terrace
A favor
primal escarp
^
valid terrace
Sombra likes holding all the cards and playing the ones she needs
primal escarp
she wants to boop someone on the nose every now and then
peak escarp
and friends help each other out
stiff hamlet
Understandable
valid terrace
Do we have a time for the Echo drop?
valid terrace
Alright cool
primal escarp
nice
peak escarp
it is confirmed
stiff hamlet
I’m in PST time. So it’s somewhat close for me.
Niiice
I usually wake up around 10:00, lol.
primal escarp
Ya know, the only issue i have for Echo is the fact that you really can't tell what she is thinking
stiff hamlet
Honestly
peak escarp
and you can with other heroes?
primal escarp
the thing is a freaking robot, who's personality is a mix of different people she is trying to copy
valid terrace
We’ll have a better idea once she’s in the game
primal escarp
and i can with Junkrat
stiff hamlet
Explosives
primal escarp
he's quite straight forward
valid terrace
Rn we have like 3 lines?
primal escarp
explosives, money, and havoc
primal escarp
not that hard tbh
stiff hamlet
Gamer
primal escarp
Gamer and wanting to prove herself
peak escarp
Echo wants to live up to the expectations Liao had for her
that's basically what we know about her
stiff hamlet
Who knows what Echo will become.
valid terrace
The vanilla heroes have much more by default
primal escarp
i really can't freaking tell
peak escarp
her friend
stiff hamlet
Jeff said that she’s really important to the lore.
primal escarp
are they just friends?
peak escarp
childhood friend
valid terrace
Hopefully ow2 closes the personality gap
primal escarp
are they just friends?
peak escarp
as far as we know, yes
primal escarp
HMM
primal escarp
I honestly couldnt tell
peak escarp
his name is Dae-hyun Park
primal escarp
you could have gone multiple routes with the dude
peak escarp
I doubt we'll see him again
primal escarp
big sad
primal escarp
valid terrace
Honestly any of the meka based characters would be silly to add until they become relevant to the main story
peak escarp
that wouldn't have worked if he died
primal escarp
i mean, relying on booze aint so bad either, ya know?
peak escarp
what?
primal escarp
what?
stiff hamlet
At first, I wanted the other Meka characters to become heroes, but nah.
valid terrace
She’s supposed to be a more innocent hero
stiff hamlet
They do seem pretty cool though.
peak escarp
I'd like to learn more about them (esp. Casino), but I don't want them to be playable heroes
primal escarp
adding anymore Meka characters would be pointless
stiff hamlet
Which one is Casino?
primal escarp
but i would love to see some of the other Meka suits be added as skins
peak escarp
the F1 driver
stiff hamlet
The one with the yellow mech?
peak escarp
silver hair, green mech
stiff hamlet
Ah
peak escarp
they wouldn't work as skins because their silhouettes are too different
primal escarp
i really really want Casino's mech to be added as a skin
and a boy can dream, alright?
QwQ
peak escarp
I hope the Monte Carlo map mentions/references him
stiff hamlet
Casino does seem like the coolest.
primal escarp
King gives me massive Faker vibes, ngl
primal escarp
hmm
peak escarp
but Overlord is
primal escarp
ya know, out of the five of them, they all look like they are in highschool or above, but overlord looks like the dude is still in middle school
stiff hamlet
True
peak escarp
he is the youngest
primal escarp
just imagine a 7th grader casually gets into his mech and goes off to save the world
peak escarp
probably still 18-19
primal escarp
like, when i was in 7th grade, i was trying not to fail world geography
peak escarp
just younger than the rest
I doubt that the Korean military would be recruiting actual children to fight their war
you can enlist at 18 in Korea
and Korean men in present day have 2 years of compulsory military service
primal escarp
well they wanted the best gamers they could get
and nowadays, the age for those who play games competitively are getting younger and younger
peak escarp
don't many esports leagues also require you to be 18 or older?
primal escarp
there was a dude who was a highschooler who played im a competitive OW game, as he was recruited
i can't remember what team he was on, but i know for a fact he was a highschooler
peak escarp
I know there were some OW players in the world cup who couldn't play for OWL because they weren't old enough
primal escarp
and who knows, give it a decade or two, and you might start seeing even younger players
eventually, if the fanbase gets younger and younger, the competitive scene is gonna have to adapt
valid terrace
Yes they can still be on the teams on a bench status until they reach 18 per the owl rules
peak escarp
that still doesn't justify a military recruiting actual children for combat
primal escarp
i mean, that's what the US did during WW1
peak escarp
so I would assume all of the MEKA pilots were over 18 when they started
peak escarp
the US Army were told to only recruit people 18 or older - many people lied about their age
valid terrace
^
primal escarp
and they knew they lied about their age
peak escarp
and the Army was desperate enough that they didn't question it
that would absolutely not work today
and definitely not 60 years from now
primal escarp
you never know