Max is in it for money
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
Especially if, before then, he was actively leading anti-Talon operations.
pliant sparrow
He may not have thought they would succeed in negotiating with null sector
worthy rose
He's loyal for exactly as long as it's profitable, so DF thinks he can keep Max with him.
worthy rose
He does.
Well, not necessarily hate, but doesn't really value them.
He has a voiceline, "Bucket of bolts. A dime a dozen." Something like that.
peak escarp
voice lines aren't strictly canon
worthy rose
But they're how the characters would interact in that situation.
peak escarp
some even contradict what we've been shown in the lore
like Mei's entire personality
and Doomfist's line on Volskaya
worthy rose
Which one?
peak escarp
in Masquerade, he was happy that the mission failed because Katya is one of the people pushing the war forward - if she was assassinated, someone else would take her place and maybe end the war
worthy rose
tbf that's the most likely reason he'd be going to Volskaya Industries.
pliant sparrow
One of the voice lines I can believe is that hanzo was approached by talon
That would make sense
worthy rose
Hanzo is the kind of person that would be approached by Talon, but there's a good chance that he hasn't been.
worthy rose
he wont join
he has been approached
i believe
there's voicelines in game
i'm 90% sure at least
frosty shell
Yes definitely
Widowmaker: Talon could restore your family's empire.
Hanzo: But at what cost?
proud lynx
Hanzo is an interesting character because he could be seen as a possible villain in the whole scheme of things. I suppose OW2 will deal with if Hanzo is going to join Talon or not. I honestly don't think he will considering he always seems hesitant when asked
lament prawn
like Mei's entire personality
i wouldnt go that far, but if you mean the way they back the "devil mei" meme, then at least that has comedic purpose
there's absolutely no reason to have reaper say he's not a fan of omnics if in reality he's neutral
peak escarp
but he never actually says he hates omnics
he just calls them tin cans
he says derogatory things towards most heroes
lament prawn
i mean it shows that he's not a fan
does that line only happen with a particular omnic?
peak escarp
it happens on elimination for Orisa, Bastion and Zen
lament prawn
the way i see it, he clearly isnt on like zarya levels of omnic hate
but he might dislike them (more than he dislikes humans)
proud lynx
Like most of the world in Overwatch
fervent kite
Makes sense
gritty cedar
I don't know if this is common and obvious, but in Ilios, Athena says talon might steal an artifact in Ilios
frosty shell
Yep she does
And there are ancient artifacts in Talon places like Chateau Guillard and Rialto
placid fulcrum
apparently, there's going to be an ashe-related event next week and I've seen some youtubers speculating that we might be getting a short story with ashe
I hope they're right!
limpid agate
Doubt it
Even if the rumours hold, which I don't think they will, it doesn't seem like the kind of event to get a story
Probably more like Lego Bastion
placid fulcrum
it's not rumours, it's a leak, complete with screenshots and videos of sprays
looks legit
though, yeah, a short story is not necessarily a part of it. but it would be nice to get one
worthy rose
Do you think when OW comes to Netflix
We'll stop receiving cinematic shorts since we no longer need them because we now have the show/
placid fulcrum
we stopped receiving new heroes because they're being reserved for overwatch 2, so it's a possibility
but if I had to choose between 2 minute long cinematics vs a full show with 30 minute long episodes, I think it's a fair trade
grand wedge
I kinda hope the leak is false because Mardi Gras themed challenge sound like the Nano Cola and Lego Brick - so it means no short story 😦
I'm really hoping some short story for the Archives this year - it would be too empty with only skins and no new mission
worthy rose
They said there isn't going to be anything new for archives
so I doubt they'd put a short story
grand wedge
When you are making a PVE game - it's the perfect time to get people hype with the only lore event. And not losing the previous players that have played the missions for years 😦
worthy rose
I mean; storm rising was pretty negatively received
worthy rose
It's a bad move I agree; but it's the likely move they'll do since they stated they were putting all their attention into OW2
Short stories
lack of comics
lack of characters being added
grand wedge
sad 😢 people are losing interest in the game
worthy rose
I mean I get why
I love the aesthetic and how the world looks
but that can only maintain my attention for so long especially since the narrative for the game isn't as obviously spoon fed to the audience as most other games are
The game can also be frustrating to play at times because of the heavy reliance on teamwork
I do think the PVE portion will be a heavily welcome addition campaign
and will personally be what I go to for the game instead of the PVP cause god do I hate working with people
vast bobcat
I am little confused at which hero is with which organization or team
Like, is DVA anywhere near the overwatch team or just a hero in general?
placid fulcrum
a hero in general (for now)
in fact, i struggle to think of a way to integrate her with the story
she has a junker skin, but it seems completely random. I don't see her ever coming in contact with the junkers
vast bobcat
Put the skins away for a second and focus
iron plume
her only allegiance is to meka
vast bobcat
Oh right
placid fulcrum
yeah, i did say it's random, lol
and skins absolutely do have lore significance
many of them even come with little lore blurbs on their relevance
hell, even genji's bedouin skin, which seems like such a random thing, has a lore blurb explaining that it's relevant
although I have a suspicion that's only due to the controversy with cultural appropriation they had with pharah's skin
not all skins have relevance, obviously
but talon characters have talon skins, so I'd expect junker characters to have junker skins
bvut then we get a random junker dva for no reason
proud lynx
So why does Doomfist, Sombra and Widow have Talon skins? Don't they just wear their normal
Stuff
lament prawn
it's a cool skin idea, she's a mech pilot so she gets a junker skin to show what she and her mech would look like if she were to compete in the mech battles
its like torb having a deadlock skin
although it makes even less sense for him but its still a nice skin
proud lynx
Yeah, there is no lore for the skins because they just look good.
placid fulcrum
I imagine that doomfist, sombra and widow got talon skins because they are talon characters
now, if mercy or soldier had talon skins, that would be another matter
but yeah, deadlock torb is also random
unless he posed as a new recruit for DG in the overwatch sting that got mccree busted
that would be pretty cool actually
iron plume
Junker characters' junker skins are just their defaults
because unlike talon they don't have a "uniform"
placid fulcrum
I know, just commenting on how skins could be made lore-relevant
lament prawn
but its good that we can have these "what if" skins without worrying about canon
i'd rather have these skins than not have them just because they're not canon
placid fulcrum
in that case I want talon skins for all characters
I've seen some great fan designs
lament prawn
honestly ive asked for "opposite day" skins before
talon tracer, ow widow
etc
would be neat to see what if's like that too
grand wedge
Some skins are just for fun - Dva is a Mecha pilot - and in Junkertown, you have Mecha fights - si that's probably why she have a Junkertown skin.
Torb and his big beard just fit in a biker/deadlock skin because of that
proud lynx
Torb has already got a 'Hairy Biker' skin so that kinda counts as deadlock
grand wedge
Yes - I was using it as an exemple
proud lynx
@iron plume oh I didn't know that
dawn flare
Men
opaque tundra
Ok
proud lynx
What
lament prawn
if opposite skins were subtler than ow heroes in talon skins or vice versa, then maybe there'd be confusion
but i highly doubt people would be genuinely confused if tracer got a talon skin (especially if it was advertised as an opposite skin)
and dont people get the evil mercy idea from the reaper thing? like who sees her devil skin and thinks that?
peak escarp
you'd be surprised
I've seen people say "well if she was really a good guy why does she have devil skins?"
or they've used D.Va's Junker skins as "proof" that she competed in the Scrapyard
lament prawn
ok but people like that would see all skins as canonical
frosty totem
what do you mean torb isnt a pirate?!
worthy rose
People have had mercy is evil conspiracies since the game was released tbh
I mean from what I’ve read their theories aren’t completely senseless, but it’s a no from me lol
Truth be told; I'd like the disclaimer to be had just so people won't make arguments for it
iron plume
they are completely senseless
they're based on things that aren't actually in the game and massive stretching of the things that are
tawny patio
Wait mercy isn’t a sugar plum fairy??
My day is ruined
lilac ibex
@tawny patio
well shes also not a devil soo.....
placid fulcrum
Obviously
Why else would so many character yell stuff like "Allah Team Mei!" or "The universe sings to Mei!"? They have to be devil worshippers
latent cipher
she rejoices at our suffering
peak escarp
Mei is not evil
true shadow
She's aMeizing.
spiral yarrow
Mei had her entire team never wake up and yet she puts on a smile each and everyday and sees the world quite bright. Somethings either very wrong up there, or she’s planning something very icy
peak escarp
a lot of people with trauma in their past still manage to greet the world with a smile
true shadow
Like most everyone here.
narrow prawn
@true shadow ima just call out that gorgeous mei pun you made that went unnoticed and say bravah
true shadow
It's one of her voice quotes owo)
peak escarp
the writing in Overwatch makes it obvious who is good and who is bad
peak escarp
!!shitposting @worthy rose
twilit nacelleBOT
@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
formal vapor
barren sandal
Prolly either march or launch of ow 2
grand wedge
SOme friend think he heard new Pharah voicelines... anyone heard new ones?
pliant sparrow
Maybe they've just never played pharah much, who knows
placid fulcrum
I've once heard a mccree line that I can't find anywhere
Not sure if "new" since I'm new myself
Maybe just very rare?
frosty shell
Is it "You know what time it is" for having his ult ready? Or him whistling?
placid fulcrum
no, it was a line about Ashe doing a great job growing the gang. he said this on route 66 when I was approaching the mountain in the middle from the town's side
it made me curious, so I looked through his lines on the wiki and I couldn't find anything remotely similar in there
I never heard it again afterwards, even though I re-visited the map as mccree many times
placid fulcrum
that's great! I was wondering if I maybe misheard it something
I wonder how many more rare lines we're not aware of
peak escarp
they're all in the game files
placid fulcrum
well, I've looked at the tools for accessing the files but I don't trust them much
peak escarp
I'd find it for you but I'm afk
placid fulcrum
no, it's ok, no need to bother yourself with this
peak escarp
Yernem is working on an updated version of the OWET
placid fulcrum
I'm guessing it's trustworthy then? I can give it a try
peak escarp
he had to rework it after recent data changes broke his old one
placid fulcrum
well, in a way it really is 😉
peak escarp
welcome! the lore is a bit quiet right now, but if you have questions, we can help you out
worthy rose
ok, thanks
worthy rose
so the SJW's have Overwatch ban Tracer's single butt shot and say it's "oversexualized" but they don't say anything about widomaker at all and genji's a man and he's got a nice tight ass but those SJW's say nothing about it like wtf
peak escarp
I wasn't around when that controversy happened, but from what I heard it wasn't about the pose being sexy, it was about it being out of character?
because they replaced it with a pose that's just as sexy
placid fulcrum
a lot of female heroes are oversexualized
peak escarp
I find the sexualization in Overwatch isnt nearly as bad as a lot of other games (fighting games in particular)
placid fulcrum
true
peak escarp
I don't have a problem with it
a lot of what people see as "oversexualization" is just the audience projecting onto the designs that Blizzard didn't intend as sexy
placid fulcrum
I would certainly find it more enticing to play widowmaker and dva if they weren't standing in pornstar poses all the time
peak escarp
like most of D.Va's skins
how are they standing in pornstar poses?
Widowmaker's poses are all ballet-inspired or holding a rifle
D.Va's poses aren't sexy at all
placid fulcrum
"see you" highlight literally start with the camera lovingly displaying widow's ass
peak escarp
oh you mean highlight intros, not victory poses
Widowmaker is the only intentionally sexy hero, but that's part of her character
she's supposed to be the femme fatale trope
but if you see D.Va as sexy, I have some concerns
she's practically a child
placid fulcrum
if you think the "lying around" pose isn't supposed to be sexy, I've got news for you
peak escarp
yes
placid fulcrum
to a straight woman it might appear so
peak escarp
that's barely an adult
placid fulcrum
but it's absolutely intended to be sexy to a straight man
limpid agate
Keep in mind:
1 - The average age of the playerbase
2 - That's still college age
Not to mention how much anime and stuff is around high school students. D.Va is at least older.
Either way
frosty shell
D. Va is sexualizable
limpid agate
She's just doing gamer things. There is a difference between sexualized and attractive.
^
maiden jewel
True
limpid agate
What about it
frosty shell
Yeah
placid fulcrum
this is a boobs&ass pose, very common in comics
peak escarp
she can be (and is) sexualized by the audience, but that's not their intention
placid fulcrum
riiight
frosty shell
That is not a boobs and butt pose
placid fulcrum
totally not intended boobs&ass pose
frosty shell
She's not twisting her spine
maiden jewel
Yeah
limpid agate
This is a boobs&ass pose
maiden jewel
Maybe in a way
limpid agate
Only reason you don't see it is because Doomfist has a flat ass
maiden jewel
True very true
placid fulcrum
doom's lower half isn't turned in an unnatural way like dva's is
frosty shell
Though those are obviously very different poses
placid fulcrum
frosty shell
She's turned a little unrealistically but you can barely see her butt
You could call it a leg shot I guess
placid fulcrum
yeah, and that wonder woman is also totally in a badass fighter pose
limpid agate
frosty shell
That's much more than D. Va
placid fulcrum
I know you guys like overwatch, but it's ridiculous to what lengths you go to defend what is very obviously intended to be a titillating pose, same as that wonder woman's pose I linked to
frosty shell
D. Va is turned weirdly but not as much as that picture
limpid agate
There is stuff that's sexualized or worth arguing
That highlight
Is not one of them
placid fulcrum
junkrat is suppsoed to be funny, not sexy in this psoe. dva is suppsoed to be sexy
and, like Doctor_Six said, she's almsot a child
frosty shell
Arnold Tsang does draw women with long legs
placid fulcrum
that makes it worse
opaque tundra
How is sexualization lore related...
frosty shell
Good point
placid fulcrum
I didn't start this topic
limpid agate
Now that we agree this is a dumb conversation, we can move on
I didn't start this topic
You did. It was just about Tracer/Widow. You made the whole D.Va problem.
In other news
Wonder if we will see some hero news in March
Either hero 32 or 34
placid fulcrum
it was about "sjws" protesting the sexualization of heroes, so I perfectly on the topic
there's something I worry about the next hero
peak escarp
are we counting Echo and Sojourn as 32/33?
limpid agate
They can give OW2 news
peak escarp
ah
placid fulcrum
because apparently Jeff said that they will still be in development of OW2 by next blizzcon, so it probably won't come out this year. so if they release the enxt hero in march, then it will be at least a full year before overwatch 2 comes out. what will we do during that year?
limpid agate
Look at OW2 heroes
March was when McCree/Zarya were revealed
Heroes 13/14
After the original 12
peak escarp
they'll continue with balance patches and the 6 events and maybe some short stories in between
placid fulcrum
I hope for more short stories
because the book is nice, but that's in june, and then what?
peak escarp
I was hoping for one to go with this challenge, but oh well
placid fulcrum
yeah
then again, it's not like many significant things happened in those short stories. ana's short story is pretty much just her and soldier reminiscing about the good old days
still, they did give us some interesting details about the characters' backstories
but I'd argue that the comics added more
placid fulcrum
more text doesn't mean more substancial content
placid fulcrum
my worry is that they're going to withhold the lore for OW2 to such a degree that all we'll get is a skippable fluff
frosty shell
Like Bastet gave us the lore on what Ana did after she got hit
placid fulcrum
the comics already gave it
frosty shell
Not really
Now we know why Ana decided to stay dead and how she managed to do so
Which I'd wondered
We also learned about Soldier not having a family
limpid agate
!!loreComics
twilit nacelleBOT
Comics:
Train Hopper: https://bit.ly/2vaOY0I
Dragon Slayer: https://bit.ly/2GpRZRk
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
A Better World: https://bit.ly/2DeJGpK
Mission Statement: https://bit.ly/2UFLC5o
Destroyer: https://bit.ly/2XcYZ9G
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Is3WZ4
Reflections: https://bit.ly/2IoZQkr
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Uprising: https://bit.ly/2UCymhE
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
Searching: https://bit.ly/2Gh3jy6
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2XePmHG
Mini-Comics:
Return of Junkenstein: https://bit.ly/2Gqp7Z8
Yeti Hunt: https://bit.ly/2VPmxRI
limpid agate
The only comics that were important
Like, plot important
Were Old Ssoldiers, Binary, and Masquerade
placid fulcrum
I disagree
limpid agate
I would add Mission Statement if Anubis did something important
frosty shell
I know I vehemently disagree with you on this, but Searching did move along the story even if the plot was poorly executed
limpid agate
It didnt move the story anywhere
placid fulcrum
uprising? retribution?
frosty shell
What Zarya says at the beginning just recontextualized Infiltration
placid fulcrum
it's not jsut about moving the story, but filling in some major holes
limpid agate
Uprising was not important as a comic.
Retribution sure. But without the comic, the event would have filled holes in
Searching
All Searching did was undo Infiltration.
placid fulcrum
a single line from ana about some doctor keeping her name off the register is not comparable to the comic depicting a significant even to multiple character's backstory
frosty shell
It didn't undo it as you said
limpid agate
Uprising was not a significant event to multiple character's backstory
frosty shell
It just recontextualized it
Though it's not as important to the main story as Old Soldiers or Masquerade
Yeah Uprising isn't that significant
placid fulcrum
searching did introduce us to zarya, and even gave her some character development in the form of her wavering loyalty to katya and her distrust to all omnics
frosty shell
Yeah
limpid agate
Searching did not introduce Zarya
frosty shell
True
But it did follow up on a major cliffhanger
And had Zarya and Sombra interact
limpid agate
It followed up on the cliff hanger, and gave her 3 footsteps of character development. But it was largely unimportant
frosty shell
Even if the plot was poorly explained
I agree that it's largely unimpressed though to their main arcs
Binary was more important in that it totally changed Bastion's arc
placid fulcrum
It's important to find out who this character is and establish her loyalties and motivation instead of just dropping her without a word
frosty shell
Zarya and Sombra's arcs are still continuing
limpid agate
Before Searching, Zarya was an omnic hating Russian loyalist who was fighting in the army for the second crisis
After Searching, Zarya is an omnic hating Russian loyalist who is fighting in the army for the second crisis. But she is okay with Lynx and doesn't trust Katya.
frosty shell
So ueah
Yeah Zarya doesn't get a new arc like Bastion Soldier or Doomfist
So you're right about Searching not being as important
limpid agate
I am mostly comparing Searching to Binary.
frosty shell
In Binary Bastion gets a new arc
frosty shell
Yeah
limpid agate
Rather than develop the story
A door was opened
But rather than go through it
We peeked in, then closed it from the same side
placid fulcrum
it's disappointing, but it does move the story. without it , we'd still be anticipating something with sombra and katya
limpid agate
That's not moving the story
placid fulcrum
and if zarya ends up betraying katya, searching will be vital to explaining how this happened
and it looks to me like she might
limpid agate
She wont betray Katya, because betraying Katya would be betraying Russia
And she explicitly says in her comic
She wont do that, for Russia
Not for Katya
Also, character development != Story development
placid fulcrum
let me put it this way - as of this moment, in the song of ice and fire books, daenerys and all characters connected to her have still not made any kind of contact with the starks and all characters connected to them. but that doens't mean that the hundreds of pages GRRM spent telling us what daenerys is up to don't matter to the story
limpid agate
That's not Searching
That's Old Soldiers
Or
No
That's Going Legit/Wasted Land/The Plan/Junkertown
!!loreGuide
twilit nacelleBOT
This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
limpid agate
This is the stuff that I would consider important
placid fulcrum
the thing about searching is that it's directly related to infiltration, and blizzard had to have some idea of what infiltration means to the story is they put so much thought into animating this short
limpid agate
Infiltration was important
It sets up a cliff hanger
Searching just turns around from the cliff and walks back the way it came
placid fulcrum
we don't know that
limpid agate
We dont know what
placid fulcrum
maybe searching was in mind all along when infilatration was beign developed
placid fulcrum
maybe the entire point of infiltration-searching is setting up relationship dynamics and conflics bewtween different characters
katya and sombra, sombra and talon, sombra and katya, katya and zarya
jsut because we don't see the connection yet, it doens't mean it's not there. it could simply mean that we don't have all the pieces yet
limpid agate
They knew they wanted to do something after Infiltration, so they made the Cliffhanger
They ended up doing nothing with it, and released Searching to kill the cliffhanger
placid fulcrum
so your point is that overwatch's story is badly written?
limpid agate
There is no missing piece. Where has the story progressed before Infiltration and after Searching
Badly written story can lead to a lack of story progression
My point isnt that its badly written, although it is
My point is
There was no story progression
frosty shell
Searching didn't kill the cliffhanger IMI
Though I agree it didn't move things forward
placid fulcrum
arguably, neither was infiltration itself, assuming it doens't lead anywhere
frosty shell
Meaningfully at least
The big thing in Infiltration's stinger IMO was that Zarya was going to go after Sombra
limpid agate
^
frosty shell
And that's what we got
limpid agate
Infiltration wasn't terribly important
frosty shell
Agreed on that too
Yeah, what Zarya says at the end of Infiltration gets contradicted straight away, but that wasn't the root of the cliffhanger
limpid agate
The important shorts are:
-
Recall
-
Zero Hour
-
Cinematic Trailer
-
All the Recall responses (Alive, Dragons, Rise and Shine, Honour and Glory, Reunion)
placid fulcrum
personally I thought infiltration was supposed to be the start of a growing tension between sombra and talon. and to show us that sombra didn't join talon jsut because she could, she has a goal in mind and she's working to achieve it, and that goal might be important to the story
frosty shell
It was for character building
We learned how Sombra was willing to do her own thing for personal gain
frosty shell
Exactly
limpid agate
Searching doesn't do that with Zarya. We know Zarya well. We have known for her 3ish years by that point
She develops as a character a little
But the story doesn't
frosty shell
Yeah I mostly agree
placid fulcrum
arguably a character developing will affect the story eventually, even if it's not immediate
limpid agate
The new introduction is Lynx. But saying its important because it introduced Lynx is like saying Dragon Slayer is important for introducing Brigitte
frosty shell
It was like A Better World for Symmetra - she got doubts but not enough to change course
placid fulcrum
well, it kind of was and yes, it's for that reason
limpid agate
A Better World for Sanjay
There is another
Probably better comparison
A Better World/Sym/Sanjay and Searching/Zarya/Lynx and Katya
placid fulcrum
we have to be introduced to the characters which are going to be in the story
frosty shell
It is kind of unfortunate that all of the pre-release comics don't move the story along that much or establish many big plot threads
But admittedly we were just making introductions to the characters
Though even in the shorts which didn't move the plot their events got brought up later
placid fulcrum
probably some characters are only added for the sake of adding more characters, not because the devleopers had a story in mind for them all along
frosty shell
Yeah, like Wrecking BAll and Sigma
placid fulcrum
which doens't mean that the story can't evolve and get more subplots when new characters are created
frosty shell
The events of Dragon Slayer, Train Hopper, Destroyer, and Going Legit haven't even been brought up again
And while Anubis is important we haven't heard anything from Pharah but that she went to Canada since Mission Statement
limpid agate
Hammond was added because people asked for him
placid fulcrum
that doens't mean these events won't play a role in the future. it only showcases just how little lore we've been given so far. all of this is only setting up future plots
frosty shell
Yeah they could definitely do something with them
Like there are mentions of a space station accident on Lijiang, which may refer to Sigma
And they even retconned the art of Rio from the cinematic trailer to be the Null Sector attack
limpid agate
No they didn't.
frosty shell
I honestly thought they did
limpid agate
This was 30 years ago
frosty shell
I thought somewhere that was reused for today
I could be wrong though
So you're probably right
valid terrace
A good way to think of what lore is important would be: loading Overwatch 2 or trying to watch a main plot cinematic and requiring knowledge that was established in a comic or short story to understand what is happening
Like why Ana and Soldier are teamed up
Not why Zarya hates Omnics
How Bastion found Torb and vice versa
Not how hard it was for Tracer to find a scarf and how much she loves her girlfriend
I would even argue that you don’t even need Masquerade to know Doomfist’s motivations or that he escaped and reclaimed Talon
But it is impactful to the main story nonetheless
limpid agate
Maybe not. I think it is important because its the only piece of lore that explains anything about Talon.
valid terrace
True
limpid agate
Everything else is just the view of the outside or random unimportant missions
limpid agate
Masquerade summarizes and connects everything. It also established the council including Max, and pushed the story forward by showing that the big bad has started his plans.
valid terrace
Right
limpid agate
!!loreGuide
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This is a guide for people who don't know where to begin with the lore of Overwatch. The first thing is probably to go watch the shorts. They're popular, easy to consume, and pack a lot of story and character.
Shorts Playlist: https://bit.ly/2UQyTeL
There are many comics, short stories, and blog posts as well. The most important ones are:
Binary: https://bit.ly/2IzNvJy
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
There is also an important chain of events following Ana and Soldier 76 (and Mercy at the end):
Legacy: https://bit.ly/2DgM1jQ
Old Soldiers: https://bit.ly/2KLILTV
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
The rest of the stories are mostly optional. Special mention goes out to the Junkers, who have an entertaining string of stories:
Wasted Land: https://bit.ly/2DeKB9G
A Moment in Crime: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Going Legit: https://bit.ly/2InZUkm
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
valid terrace
I think it should stay just for the fact that it matters to the story as a whole
limpid agate
I gave honourable mention to the Junker comics
Because they are not important
But
They do have a lengthy arc
valid terrace
Yeah very self contained for now
But once the junkers become connected I’m not sure how necessary they’ll be
limpid agate
Even then... Maybe just The Plan
valid terrace
I’d actually say just wasted land
Since it teases junkrat’s treasure and shows the actual group up
Did the plan have anything besides the crime spree?
And junkertown obviously
limpid agate
Wasted Land doesnt tell us much of anything new.
valid terrace
Fair
limpid agate
The Plan shows off why they did the crime spree, and also that despite all that, they're still exiled.
I think its also the first mention of them being exiled?
Dont remember
valid terrace
I think it is yeah
peak escarp
yeah
frosty shell
It might be
But there some misconceptions about Athena
Like she's not a god program, and she doesn't have anything to do with Echo as far as we know
There was concept art of Echo with the Athena logo but apparently they were just playing around with the art
placid fulcrum
I wonder if Athena was originally supposed to get a body in the form of Echo. Sort of like the AI is Stark tower became Vision.
loud depot
I really wanna hear what you guys think happened to Mcree's arm
knotty pagoda
Probably a bar brawl 
lament prawn
its gotta be either something super serious where we go "woah no way" or something super pathetic and comedic (like nick fury's eye), there cant be something in the middle otherwise it'll just be "oh ok whatever"
loud depot
Yeah thats true, I want either a really epic battle of like Mcree having to reload with one arm and stuff, or just not explain it at all
lament prawn
losing it in any normal battle would be the uninteresting middle ground
it has to be in a battle we didnt expect, or done by a person wouldnt have expected
loud depot
Yeah, like I dont want another Ashe fight
lament prawn
its confirmed not bob (and by extension probably not ashe herself)
loud depot
Ah, but she does seem to know when it happened so maybe she was there
frosty shell
Does she? She may have just noticed his arm was gone
pliant sparrow
She hasn't really expressed that she knows
That seemed like more of a heat of the moment insult
placid fulcrum
it could be related to a new character that's going to be introduced in OW2
since mccree implies that he has an "unfinished business" with someone, and the hand could be related
worthy rose
What would it be like if somthing like stranger things was inside kings row slowly ... growing
pseudo dome
i mean he had his normal arm in his blackwatch skin so he lost it after blackwatch was shut down
lore wise the most interesting story would be during the big overwatch vs blackwatch fight
limpid agate
It was lost some time between Uprising and Train Hopper. To be more specific, it was lost sometime between when he left Overwatch and last saw people like Torbjorn, and the recent past, when he would have had a new arm installed
He was not in that fight
He left beforehand because he didnt want to choose a side.
Maybe he lost it in the leaving
But not before
peak escarp
I think it's significant that the arm he lost is the arm with the tattoo
if his Deadlock skin is anything to go by, he was proud of that tattoo (proud enough to rip the arm off a biker jacket to show it off)
peak escarp
my theory is that there's 2 gangs called Deadlock - one older gang founded in 1976 that McCree "borrowed" the logo from, and Ashe's gang
based on the fact that there's 2 different versions of the Deadlock logo
halcyon radish
yo im hardly active here anymore but i have a question, are null sector and talon ok with eachother?
limpid agate
Yes
peak escarp
they seem to be working together
pseudo dome
null sector died right
limpid agate
For now, they are working together.
pseudo dome
like they werent active at the same time
limpid agate
@pseudo dome Null Sector is the main villain of Overwatch 2
pseudo dome
oh maybe they came back?
peak escarp
Null Sector went dark while Doomfist was in prison
peak escarp
they had to wait for him because the plans they made 6 years ago couldn't happen without him
halcyon radish
also does anyone know talons main goal?
limpid agate
There is a council of leaders
Who each have their own goal
BUT
They fall under 3 main categories
Or, 2, plus a bonus common goal
1 - Money (Max, Sanjay, Vialli)
2 - Evolve humanity (Doomfist, Moira)
3 - Kill Overwatch agents (Reaper, but they all benefit from it)
Vialli is also dead.
halcyon radish
how do most of them feel about omnics?
limpid agate
Doomfist is the head hancho right now. His goal is to start a war that will evolve humanity. Max/Sanjay are war profiteersr.
Max is an omnic
Just
Masquerade: https://bit.ly/2IzNTI0
Read this comic
It answers all your questions
Its also one of the best comics they amde
If not the best
halcyon radish
thank you, ceo of overwatch lore
pseudo dome
that explains that
i thought all the null sector were gone until their attack in paris
halcyon radish
whats up with sanjay and being everywhere when talon is around, especially in important meeings, i thought he was only affiliated with them a little
peak escarp
he's one of the council members
halcyon radish
damn
frosty shell
Admittedly we aren't 100% sure what he wants with Talon
peak escarp
these newspapers are seen all over the Havana map
which was released months before we found out Null Sector was back
frosty shell
He may want to evolve the world as well, seeing as Vishkar is all about bringing people up from disorder
limpid agate
We dont know 100%
But I personally feel its just for profits, based on what we have seen of Vishkar.
They are just war profiteers that have made their business off rebuilding the ruins of the first crisis
Beyond that, they are exploiting civilians for cheap labour, and are blowing up competitors rather than trying to make a better deal
limpid agate
I feel that the order is just a system that allows them to enforce their ideals with minimal resistence
But that is my feeling
frosty shell
What other purpose would curfews in their towns serve? They don't make any money from that
frosty shell
Fair I suppose
limpid agate
Cheap labour brings profit
frosty shell
But I never got the impression everyone who lives in Vishkar settlements works for them
I thought they were mostly redevelopers
Also, Soldier: 76 doesn't seem to know Sanjay is part of Talon since he doesn't mention him as one of the people he wants to deal with
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
peak escarp
Talon is a known terrorist group
frosty shell
"Reyes, Ogundimu, Maximilien, Vialli, Sombra, O’Deorain, and the rest of them." is what Soldier says
Which is an interesting list of names
peak escarp
they recruit publicly through shell companies that pose as legit mercenaries
frosty shell
Given that Doomfist killed Vialli shortly after escaping yet they're both on the list
This does happen when Vialli was alive though probably
Given that it's not long after Bastet which is on Christmas
peak escarp
yeah
frosty shell
So it's odd he lists Doomfist even though he's in prison
It's possible he might've broken out already?
But he doesn't seem to have gotten to Venice that long after escaping
peak escarp
I don't think so
Akande is still a major player in Talon, even though he's in prison
frosty shell
Yeah fair
Especially since he still seems to have contacts on the outside
He probably knows Doomfist is planning something since Talon has tried to steal his gauntlet
peak escarp
yeah
halcyon radish
is it clear as to why so many people thought sanjay would be a tank?
limpid agate
Sanjay is on the Talon council of leaders. Sanjay is also a higher up in Vishkar
Hard Light has infinite possibilities
So hard light tank is a big potential
halcyon radish
ah, thank you guys
grand wedge
I’m always late with the story of McCree arm, but don’t you think McCree’s tattoo and Deadlock logo can have a link with Deadeye ? I mean, they used it as the name of his ult, but the skull has a « dead eye ». I’d love to know the true story behind it someday.
peak escarp
possibly
limpid agate
I think that's just a visual motif
peak escarp
the key difference is the date
which could mean the logo was stolen from a gang that was actually founded in 1976 OR McCree put the date there to give their gang some credibility (aka he made it up)
honestly both sound like something he would do
placid fulcrum
if soldier is after sombra, could it be that the reason he was in her hometown in "hero" was because he was looking for her?
frosty shell
Maybe but even Lynx-17 didn't know exactly where she was
placid fulcrum
I'm surprised soldier even knows her name
frosty shell
Now Soldier seemingly knows Sombra is one person but that might just be because he heard Reaper bring her up
That's how he knows Sombra is with Talon
The world does know Sombra is a thing and the name Sombra but doesn't know she's just 1 person
limpid agate
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rapid zinc
Wouldn’t call that shit posting
placid fulcrum
What is this word salad?
limpid agate
This is a channel for the lore of Overwatch @swift sorrel
Blizzard's canon
This is not a channel for fanfiction
placid fulcrum
We could use one, probably. There are channels for fanart and videos
limpid agate
You can make the suggestion through @sullen pagoda
But its been rejected numerous times now
placid fulcrum
Why is that? There's obviously a high interest
limpid agate
Its more niche than this channel, and this is the slowest channel
peak escarp
obviously not high enough
valid terrace
I can imagine the channel being more active in the upcoming months as we get the more lore rich sources that we know about
peak escarp
this channel gets bursts of activity whenever new lore comes out
valid terrace
Exactly
proud lynx
Hey, so for Overwatch 2 the website states that we will be fighting different factions with different enemies. Obviously there is Null Sector and Talon but who else?
peak escarp
maybe Helix or Vishkar
limpid agate
Personally, Im banking on Helix, with Vishkar units in Talon
proud lynx
Why Helix? They are practically just world security
Why would Overwatch be fighting them
placid fulcrum
precisely because they're world police and overwatch is illegal
proud lynx
Unless I'm forgetting some lore about them
placid fulcrum
also, helix is already tracking down soldier and ana
proud lynx
But they're not necessarily villains. They see Overwatch as the enemy because it was shut down and made illegal
Maybe Shimada Clan will play a part
placid fulcrum
they don't have to be villains to do their job
proud lynx
What I'm saying is, Talon and Null Sector are enemies of overwatch because they are organising terrorist attacks and duch
Such
placid fulcrum
sure, but that's none of helix' concern
that train mccree stole echo off of most liekly belo0nged to them
so when they see echo flying around with overwatch, that's a sure sign that overwatch attacked them first
proud lynx
But Helix is just an ordinary organisation that deals with security, they aren't criminals.
peak escarp
Helix filled the niche that Overwatch left
placid fulcrum
yes, they're security. and voerwatch threatened that security
soldier stole their rockets, mccree stole their echo
they aren't going to just let them get away with it
peak escarp
in Helix vs Overwatch situation, Overwatch are the criminals
proud lynx
They are only really a political threat to overwatch, they wouldn't attack them
@peak escarp exactly
peak escarp
Overwatch is operating illegally
placid fulcrum
yes, they would. like any armed criminal who stole your weapons
peak escarp
Helix would be recruited by the UN to shut them down
placid fulcrum
yup
overwatch attacked them twice, so helix can and will use force against them
which is sure to pose an interesting dilemma for pharah
peak escarp
Helix are the guardians of the gear seized from Overwatch
they would come into conflict if Overwatch wants their stuff back
placid fulcrum
I'd say there's already conflict
since their stuff was stolen by people associated with overwatch twice already. possibly more times
and there's that huge helix vehicle in the temple of anubis map, where you can see ana's photo as shrike on the table, so they're already working on tracking her down
peak escarp
they don't know Shrike is Ana (and therefore associated with Overwatch)
same goes for Soldier
Soldier 76 and Shrike are just wanted criminals who have raided Helix-held facilities
grand wedge
Helix vs Overwatch vs the World is something i'm waiting for - With Helix having some bad reputation because they filled the void Ow left - the UN funding them - Doomfist escaped bis high security prison- they are not very well liked in Cairo (if i remember correctly)...
Will the people root with Overwatch even if it's illegal or not? What the UN will do? That's a story I definitely need - along with Pharah's lore !
peak escarp
I think the public might support them
grand wedge
I hope so!
placid fulcrum
but they already know that soldier is morrison
and pharah knows that shrike is ana, so it's up to her whether she tells them or not
and she has the right to feel betrayed both by overwatch and by her mother. she was also established as a very duty-oriented person, so I wouldn't be surprised if she initially took helix' side
peak escarp
do they know that Soldier is Morrison?
I thought that was just a crack theory that reporters like Olympia Shaw liked to spread around
(tbh it's pretty obvious if you think about it, but I don't think it was ever confirmed in-universe)
frosty shell
Yeah it's never been confirmed
I wouldn't be surprised if Winston knew at Recall and I imagine he definitely knows given that Mercy met him and later joined OW
devout fjord
peak escarp
the trailer is an exaggeration
grand wedge
On the trailer it was probably when his body and mind were both ripped appart after the accident - it seems that Talon stabilized him with cybernetic enhancements and now are using his research without him knowing how they’re going to use it.
proud lynx
I'd love to see more lore about Sigma he's a really interesting character. Even though people were annoyed that we got another white male hero, I thought his inclusion was a good idea
pliant sparrow
Complaining about the only white male hero that has been added since release 
proud lynx
Yeah, I get the Devs said that it would have diversity in the characters but geez are people like anti white or something
Literally every new character has been of different colour excluding Ashe up until now
Also when are we getting an Italian character, seems like they've covered most of the major European countries and not Italy
placid fulcrum
no Poland 😦
But there's a lot of Polish players, i can see the usernames when i play
proud lynx
Yeah alright
placid fulcrum
well, can't cover everybody, that would be waaaay too many characters
proud lynx
Yeah ik, just strange that they haven't added any Italians because they even have an Italian map
placid fulcrum
well.. antonio was italian
not a player, but at least a character. not a very positive one though
vialli is an italian last name too right?
pliant sparrow
No Balkan nations 
limpid agate
Leonora Botruvia, Vialli and Antonio are the only Italian characters
peak escarp
it has taken them 4 years to give us a Canadian hero, and she won't be playable for another year
placid fulcrum
arguably, pharah is a canadian hero as well
her dad's from canada, and she's lived there for a long time
placid fulcrum
that seems like cherrypicking to me
peak escarp
Base of Operations: Giza, Egypt
placid fulcrum
it's like saying that roadhog can't be a maori, or a new zealander, because he represents australia.
peak escarp
if you're not informed on the lore, you wouldn't know she was Canadian
placid fulcrum
and you wouldn't know that Reyes is a latino
but the is
it's still represenation, even though he's a very american character
peak escarp
how do you see a name like Reyes and not think he's Latino?
placid fulcrum
names don't mean crap
lots of characters have incorrect names anyway. roadhog, for one
or reinhardt
peak escarp
how is his name incorrect?
peak escarp
mei-kow is how it's pronounced in NZ/Aus
ma-koh would be the Japanese pronounciation
placid fulcrum
but not how it's pronoucned in the maori language
and a maori one as well
it's what they say, so i trust their word on it
peak escarp
so you'll trust them on name pronunciation but you won't trust me on what counts as Canadian representation?
placid fulcrum
there's only one way to pronounce words correctly in a given language
you cna't invent a new pronounciation and argue that it is correct
but sure, if you feel that a character whose half-canadian, has canadian citizenship and has lived for half of their life in a canada isn't a "real" canadian, well aside from it sounding pretty damn racist to me, you've a right to your opinion on this matter
I'd be thrilled to have a half-polish character like this
peak escarp
she is a real Canadian
that's not what I'm saying
I'm saying she doesn't represent Canada
placid fulcrum
we can switch. I can claim pharah in the name of poland. they can switch her native amercian skin with a kashubian folk dress
peak escarp
she's not promoted as a Canadian hero
valid terrace
It’s like claiming Bastion is German because he’s lived there 90% of his life
Parents aside
placid fulcrum
is bastion half-german?
because if he were, then absolutely I'd consider him a german hero
valid terrace
He doesn’t represent the country in any way at all
placid fulcrum
no one does
valid terrace
At least bringing a sense of the culture each character is meant to represent gives a bit of diversity
placid fulcrum
if a hero were half-polish, they'd represent my country in my eyes. I'd be happy. meanwhile here you are, getting one hero after another and still complaining
seriously, let's switch
valid terrace
I wish we could
I truly think you’d be complaining about the poor representation of your country if it were the case, but there’s no way to know for sure
placid fulcrum
I mean, sombra implied jesse mccree's name isn't his real name so who knows? maybe his real name is Jerzy Makrzewski? 😂
valid terrace
He probably just chose it as his cowboy/ outlaw name
peak escarp
or she's referencing Joel Morricone
valid terrace
But his birth one is likely insignificant until there’s reason to think otherwise
peak escarp
I think Jesse McCree is his name and Sombra is just being Sombra
valid terrace
Either is possible
But it shouldn’t matter regardless
Besides adding one little blurb to the character
Unless we find out he’s from some powerful family or that one of his parents is significant, his name is better off as just Jesse McCree
And I honestly hope his parents don’t matter
Just making him a runaway from a rundown home is a better origin
peak escarp
all we know is that he was from a farm
peak escarp
lot of farms in America
peak escarp
there hasn't been enough info on them
valid terrace
I feel like they’re mostly going to grow existing factions
Like getting another Vishkar character or something
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pliant sparrow
I have moira to represent my country
restive flower
yeah...
the irish representation in OW is a terrorist.
iron plume
I mean
as terrorists go she's on the good side for representation
restive flower
If you really think about it, OW has a suspicious amount of light skinned members while Talon has a suspicious amount of dark skinned members, and the only white members of Talon in-game are either Irish, mentally ill, or brainwashed and colored their skin purple.
Baptiste used to be with Talon too.
iron plume
that's
a bit of a stretch with that last part lol
limpid agate
Overwatch agents are primarily from NATO countries and Japan
NATO countries are primarily white
I'm also ignoring Ana and Mei
Also that it was founded by the African Adawe
You can make that villain argument with any race
"The only villain is Japanese. Yakuza stereotype much Blizz?"
"The only German/Russian/Italian is an antagonist"
"All the Australians are crazy"
It doesn't matter who you choose to be the villain
Unless they make the villain themselves
But making all the villains American would be lame
So Reaper
peak escarp
if you have to make exceptions it isnt much of an argument
lean prawn
the circumstances that caused the characters to take whatever side they did doesn't ever involve their race
any person like reyes would probably become a reaper-esc character if they had a building dropped on them because they fought their former best friend to the death
placid fulcrum
Some people speculate that the reason Jack was given credit for the success of the original strike team instead of Reyes was because of his race, so perhaps Talon has so many nonwhite characters because they have less discriminatory hiring policy
I was rereading the Baptiste's short story yesterday and there was that ex-overwatch who made a long speech about overwatch being a rotten organization and talon offering him a better deal. A whole lot of overwatch members were dissatisfied with the organization and chose to join talon. I find it hard to believe that every single one of them was eeeeeeeviiiil
We know that overwatch did do some very crappy things l, such as weaponizing Mercy's research against her will
calm gale
peak escarp
Overwatch wasn't squeaky clean
they did some stuff that not everyone agreed with
and likewise, Talon isn't pure evil
some see Talon as an opportunity, others see it as just a paycheque
limpid agate
!!shitposting @silver mica
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limpid agate
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silver mica
it could happen tho
limpid agate
Final warning
silver mica
but its a legit theory
limpid agate
No, it isn't.
silver mica
i wasnt gonna listen until I saw that period at the end of your sentence
aye aye sir
frosty shell
And many of the Talon leaders are Italian
TBF that's also kind of a stereotype with the Mafia
And we also have Maximillien who is French/Monegasque
valid terrace
Jack made a better poster child
And Reyes didn’t want it but I don’t think that was part of the logic
limpid agate
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frosty shell
During the Crisis I imagine Reyes was made leader since he might have been the highest ranking member
He certainly outranked Morrison
limpid agate
Yes
pliant sparrow
Reyes didn't exactly enjoy following the rules
pliant sparrow
Blackwatch still operated outside of any outside legal constraints
frosty shell
yeah you have a point there
Blackwatch had looser rules
because they were a black ops program
peak escarp
I get the feeling that even though Reyes was methodical and made plans and stuck to them, he didn't like being told what to do (or have to answer to anyone)
so he was happy to let Jack be the leader and have to follow orders from the UN, while he could do basically whatever with Blackwatch
Jack let him do whatever with Blackwatch because Jack trusted him (and maybe Jack knew that if it really came down to it, he couldn't really stop him)
frosty shell
And that trust would've ended after Retribution
I'd like to learn more about the ~17 year period of Overwatch between the end of the Omnic Crisis and the beginning of OW's fall
limpid agate
I wouldn't.
peak escarp
tbh the golden age doesn't interest me as much as the omnic crisis or the fall
or even the 5 year period between the fall and Recall
worthy rose
I'd like to see the development of Overwatch's years after the crisis, give real emphasis of just how much they affected the world
placid fulcrum
@limpid agate this quotes come from "Finding Glory" the same article which claimed that Reyes resented Morrison for taking his spotlight, which we know isn't true. The claims in this article are biased and made by an unreliable narrator.
We don't know the real reason why Morrison got the job and the statue. It might as well be political.
he said himself that Reyes deserves leadership more than he does.
valid terrace
It looks more like he was chosen more as the likable leader than as the efficient one
If Olympia is right on that one
frosty shell
I'd like the Golden Age just because it's so long yet we don't know much about it
Though TBF that's because most of the characters weren't fighting at that time
placid fulcrum
well, there's not much to say about times that everything is going well. things are well, period. it's when things start going wrong that there's a lot to be said
frosty shell
I mean, that's fair
limpid agate
Fair point on unreliable narrator
But it is absolutely not a racial thing
This is Overwatch
They're using Omnics as a standin for racial tensions and parallels
valid terrace
Widow doesn’t like Americans but that’s the only human based racism I can think of
placid fulcrum
what hapepend earlier - reunion short, or mccree meeting with sombra at the bar in mexico? could it be possible that he got the info on where to find echo from sombra?
peak escarp
it's possible
McCree is seen in the bar around Christmas (implied by the spread of other heroes doing things around the holidays)
we don't have a timeline for when Reunion or Trainhopper happens
placid fulcrum
I jsut found sombra's hideout in castillo today (late I know, lol) and I found his face in two places there. she obviously has a special interest in him, and it wouldn't be the first time she's helped out an ex-overwatch
also, what is the significance of these places?
peak escarp
the one in Canada is probably where Sojourn is (Toronto)
the one in Africa is Numbani
the one in Asia looks like China?
placid fulcrum
hm, thanks
peak escarp
the China one could be Lijiang Tower, since Zarya does go there looking for Sombra
frosty shell
The actual city called Lijiang is in southern China but that doesn't mean Lijiang Tower's there
peak escarp
right
we don't currently have a location for Lijiang Tower, do we?
we know the general location for the other fictional locations - Numbani and Dorado
frosty shell
Well, actually Dorado has different locations provided in the Soldier Origin story and on the map itself
The Solider origin story one makes more sense terrain-wise
But even then, the east coast of Mexico isn't very mountainous
grand wedge
A lot of location are like that : inspired by real location but are not a copy of those.
worthy rose
When’s mercy gonna confess her love to genji
placid fulcrum
Not anytime soon
It's going to be a will-they-or-won't-they for the entire story, up until Overwatch 6, or something
hollow hatch
Basically ^
valid terrace
We will probably see them together in another reflections style comic or something
I can’t see them being blunt about it anytime soon
Maybe a funny Hanzo interaction at most
misty magnet
Damn
elfin birch
I never understood why Winston and widow or reaper will fight winston even though there all in the same clan , guild, club, overwatch whatever you will call it. Why do they fight each other? Idk someone answer this question please
pliant sparrow
What
Winston is part of overwatch
Widow and reaper are members of talon
Just because they're in the game doesn't mean they're part of the same group
limpid agate
@elfin birch Winston is part of the new Overwatch in the present. He was also part of the original.
Reaper was part of the original Overwatch until it shut down 6 years ago. He is now part of Talon, the terrorist organization.
Widow was never part of Overwatch. She is also part of Talon.
Like Nope said, not all heroes are part of Overwatch
This + Sojourn and Lucio is Overwatch.
minor oyster
Maybe bastion, torb, and D.va in the future
Since jeff said that bastion would be a main character in the campaign
elfin birch
Lol I'm connected to the story barely
placid fulcrum
Lucio isn't in Overwatch, they're just helping out in his hometown at the moment. He might join later though.
placid fulcrum
Wait, how was he shown? Because Tracer seemed confused about him in the gameplay
limpid agate
Overwatch 2 Trailer
In the story part
Where it was those pictured above
- Sojourn and Lucio
placid fulcrum
I think it means that he's about to join in OW2, not that he's already a part of it
limpid agate
Then in that case
Sojourn hasn't joined either
Being part of it historically is irrelevant
placid fulcrum
She was on the picture from OW's golden era though, and among the pictures of agents receiving Recall signal
placid fulcrum
It is relevant
She is a returning agent, lucio hasn't even come in contact with overwatch yet
For all we know dva might join in ow2 as well
But it doesn't make her overwatchnow
Pretty sure Baptiste will join eventually. It was his childhood dream
lament prawn
maybe pharah will find her way in eventually too considering it was/is her dream and it will be an interesting dynamic with the whole helix thing
if d.va joins fulltime i wanna see some proper goodbyes to MEKA, not just from OW's perspective where she's just there
limpid agate
It is irrelevant
Look at Torbjorn
Torb is on the Gothenburg mission
Is he part of Overwatch too?
No
Being a member formerly is irrelevant
Whereas Lucio and Sojourn were shown at new Overwatch HQ, assembling around the mission table
Also, based on what we've seen
Lucio joins before Sojourn
If Sojourn counts, Lucio does too
If he doesn't, neither does Sojourn
If you want past-OW and Recall to be your only evidence
Torb counts
And Torb should not count
placid fulcrum
Lucio isn't going to be a part of overwatch up until OW2 comes out. Just because we've been spoiled that he's going to join in the future doesn't mean that the future is now. Sojourn is returning agent so she's as much a part of overwatch as any other returning agent.
And for all we know, Lucio might be in the headquarters because that's where the plane went. He has literally just met these people for the first time in his life, we don't know when they proposed he officially joins them and how long it took before he said yes. It might be a longer story arc for all we know.
You can consider him overwatch if you want, at the end of the day it's just a matter of perspective.
I personally only count people who as of this moment have made a decision to be agents. Not those who are likely to join in the next game, of which there might be many
Btw,speaking of who is or isn't overwatch, I can't help but notice that Talon characters are outnumbered by characters who are either overwatch or leaning more towards having sympathy for overwatch than for talon
I hope blizzard introduces more Talon characters. It's hard to see them as a threat when there's so few of them
limpid agate
Overwatch's alumni is irrelevant
They got the recall
And that's it
If you say IW2 doesn't count
Sojourn is currently not part of Overwatch
Neither is Lucio
It's just that picture
It's not like she RSVPed
I'll join but have to miss the Paris job
It's my sister's birthday
As of Zero Hour, she is not part of Overwatch
As of Rio, she is not but Lucio is
As of some time after Rio, they both are
It's simple chronology
placid fulcrum
Hm,it is pretty strange that she didn't say anything for an entire year
But it's also possible that she did report offscreen
placid fulcrum
Yeah, which is pretty weird. They had an entire year and they all waited for this one moment?
At least with McCree, we know why he waited. He was probably planning how to get Echo this entire time
worthy rose
Genji showed up because Mercy was there
placid fulcrum
Probably yeah. We know they kept in contact
worthy rose
She knew he was going to Hanamura to confront Hanzo, too.