Unsupervised after the first crisis ???
#lore-discussion
grand wedge
limpid agate
Omnica built the omniums
The Omniums build the Omnics
The Omniums still build Omnics
placid fulcrum
but not zenyatta
limpid agate
Source
placid fulcrum
he was built 10 years post-crisis
limpid agate
The Omniums still build Omnics
visual phoenix
@grand wedge noone goes to the omniums, thats why, thereare 3 confirmedomniums active at this time, china sea, russia and nigeria, china sea is bothering korea, russia is fighting russia, so that ship was probably made in nigeria, which probably means even if they saw it, rio wouldnt have time to react, because nule sector seems tio hit fast
limpid agate
OR15s were built by the Nigerian omnium 1 year ago
1 year ago is "29 years post-crisis"
placid fulcrum
oh, ok then.
grand wedge
Unsupervised ? Like ok let’s stop building omnics and let’s just build a flying omnium instead ?
limpid agate
The Russian Omnium also still builds omnics.
The East China Sea Omnium also still builds omnics
visual phoenix
it's not an omnium, it's probably just transportation for the nule sector omnics
limpid agate
The Australian Omnium also still built Omnics until it was blown up by terrorists
placid fulcrum
I was confused, sicne we've been told that omnics became active in closed omniums, and the omniums were closed because omnica was closed
peak escarp
there might be other omniums that haven't been mentioned
limpid agate
Yes. And then they woke up again mysteriously
30 years ago
That's the whole plot of the crisis
placid fulcrum
so if omnica was closed, but omniums are still operational, who's operating them?
visual phoenix
and the american omnium is... well the american omnium
visual phoenix
probably AI's
placid fulcrum
why do the governments allow for it?
visual phoenix
or even god programs specific to theomniums?
limpid agate
In the crisis era? They didnt
grand wedge
And the world is okay with that ? OO
visual phoenix
but theresstill nothing about it toher than it is a self improving AI
limpid agate
Nowadays?
Probably some kinda peace treaty
Russia/Easy China Sea are still enemies of humanity
placid fulcrum
so my theory still stands - junkrat's treasure could very well be the thing that operated the australian omnium
limpid agate
Australia (formerly) and Nigeria are not.
Sure, but that's a different theory entirely than what spawned this discussion.
visual phoenix
then the only omnium left is the omnium in the united states
limpid agate
That's not a safe assumption
visual phoenix
which we dont even know if it works
peak escarp
that we know of
limpid agate
We dont know how many omniums there are.
visual phoenix
so it can be friendly, enemy or dead 😛
limpid agate
Could be one in South America, somewhere in Europe, etc. We dont know enough about them to make assumptions like that.
visual phoenix
how many more could there be? max 7 imo, too many omniums would make the story confusing
limpid agate
Why?
visual phoenix
because a normal person enjoying the game would probably lose track of what omnium is doing what, y'know what I mean?
peak escarp
the omniums aren't important
there can be as many as are needed
they're just factories
visual phoenix
they are tho, they are creating 50% of the conflict in ow2, talon is the other 50% (until other enemies are confirmed, like vishcar or something)
placid fulcrum
They're factories operated by a mysterious thing that are able to create spontanously sapient ai. i dare say that's pretty important
visual phoenix
in ow2 we'll probably have a mission or 2 getting in these omniums and deactivating them
limpid agate
Hopefully
placid fulcrum
null sector is the enemy in ow2
visual phoenix
and if bastion does get robotnapped for nule sector to make clones of him, we WILL have to save that cinnamon bun or we riot!
limpid agate
That would be like invading both North and South Korea because you want to defeat Kim Jong Un.
placid fulcrum
even if they're not an enemy, they're still improtant. junkrat and roadhog's story arc is strongly connected to one
limpid agate
There is no reason to attack allied Omniums and shut them down, just as there is no reason to annex South Korea.
visual phoenix
if they wanna stop nule sector they need to kill the omnium making nule sector, basic
the nigerian omnium is probably just minding it's business lmao
but if it is the one making nule sector... wow what a backstab
placid fulcrum
Dropleton mentioned before that an omnium core was implied to be sapient. is there a source?
limpid agate
Sure. We might get a mission where we deal with an Omnium mass producing Null Sector troops.
@placid fulcrum We know nothing about them
All we know is that they are self improving factories with an AI.
placid fulcrum
and somethign to do with radiation
visual phoenix
@placid fulcrum It was an Idea, the same is implied for most AI, and omniums are confirmed to have some kind of AI in charge of it (be it partially or completly)
''Omniums are self-improving automated robotics factories'' so they are implied to have some kind of AI improving the robots
so them being sapient was an idea
but they must have something sapient in their control, how would they get angered and attack all of humanity if they couldnt even process what was happening? so either theres someone controlling it, or it's the AI :/
either specific kinds of omnics are working in the omniums or it's just an AI, i'd prefer the AI idea tho
placid fulcrum
as much as I like the idea, it's not the only possibility
humans wage wars and we aren't mind-controlled by one person. we come together and decide to wage a war
visual phoenix
then omnics in control of the omniums created agressive omnics :/
placid fulcrum
although, the bastion short implies that aggression was programmed into him. like a separate battle mode that he has to actively fight against
visual phoenix
maybe it's because he was from the war, other omnics dont seem to have that, so maybe they put that in to stop bastions from creating peace with humans
but our bastion while being outside of war learned to control that urge to kill
much like someone would control the urge to... do something, idk
peak escarp
Null Sector is using mobile omnium dropships
visual phoenix
no the ships, the ships had to be made somewhere
grand wedge
That was my question
peak escarp
we see one in the Rio mission
peak escarp
the ship is the size of an omnium
visual phoenix
we dont know how big they can get, the junkertown one is small,but there may be some HUGE ones
grand wedge
Yes - a mobile omnium is kind of scary and that's what i was asking : how no one noticed something that big being created?
peak escarp
how would it be built in one?
visual phoenix
maybe it buit it piece by piece?
like a lego, it builds a piece and omnics assemble it somewhere else
grand wedge
I see only 3 things : under the Ocean, on the moon or Antarctica
visual phoenix
maybe antartica?
visual phoenix
mei was there, she could have something to say about it tho
probably not antartica now that I think about it
peak escarp
not the moon
grand wedge
Why no one went to look after the scientists? Unless someone didn't want people to go and pry aroud the base... and so the base was "lost"
visual phoenix
maybe it's antartica, mei mentioned an anomaly, like gwadael said
peak escarp
Null Sector probably has some territory somewhere where they build their ships
grand wedge
"They came from beyond the moon" - HALfred Glitchbot - film director (I'm joking xD)
visual phoenix
either in the ocean, or antartica
peak escarp
nobody went to look for the scientists because of angry genetically modified apes
visual phoenix
but what about mei? why didnt they look for the scientists in the ecopoint?
peak escarp
because they were believed dead
visual phoenix
maybe they were scared of the omnium? and thought they could have been attacked?
it's kind of a strecht tho
grand wedge
But aren't the apes like - stuck in their room and left to die? The controls are broken from the outside of their rooms
What happened their is way too shady
limpid agate
@grand wedge They have a farm on the moon
You go through a hydroponics bay
They have food
grand wedge
Yeah buit not what I meant
visual phoenix
the map we play in is just a place the apes arent in I guess
grand wedge
I meant the Apes rooms
limpid agate
They escaped from them
grand wedge
Thje controls are broken outside of it
limpid agate
Ages ago
grand wedge
WInston had to forced Hammond's room
limpid agate
What
visual phoenix
winston broke hammond's door
limpid agate
No he didn't
visual phoenix
?
limpid agate
He didn't even know Hammond came with him
grand wedge
because he was already out through the vents
but the door is obviously forced from the outside
grand wedge
and all the other control panels are cut from the outside
limpid agate
Releasing all the animals
visual phoenix
it's hammond's room that has winston's footsteps and the forced door? or is it winstons room?
limpid agate
Since he was the leader
visual phoenix
I cant recall it
grand wedge
unless the apes were outside their rooms and just cut themselves the wired si they couldn't be forced inside it anymore...
limpid agate
I don't understand your point
visual phoenix
I assume winston must have come in to get hammond, but since he couldnt find him he went alone. that's why the door sems to be forced open by him
visual phoenix
'alone' since hammond taggled along without him knowing anyway
limpid agate
That doesn't make sense
visual phoenix
winston and hammond were friends, it made sense winston wanted to leave with him, but since he couldnt find hammond he thought he was a part of the rebelion, and left him behind, not knowing hammond would become wrecking ball
limpid agate
Your theory is made up of a lot of other subtheories, which are also questionable
visual phoenix
but why would hammond's door be forced open? or is it winston's door? noone answered my question earlier
placid fulcrum
winston had to have a reason to break inside hammond room
limpid agate
Why does it have to be Winston
limpid agate
Simon was also doing a breakout at that time
limpid agate
So is Simon, in the context of that story
You can't make grand assumptions that include other unchecked assumptions
It makes the theory look messy
Take it step by step
visual phoenix
the theory is just, winston wanted to go with hammond, but thought he was in the rebellion and left, how is that messy? and it makes sense story-wise for winston to be that nice to offer hammond a seat in his escape pod
limpid agate
Because your two points are also unchecked sub theories
Winston breaking out Hammond
Winston assuming he's a rebel
visual phoenix
which makes a lot of sense tho, doesnt it?
limpid agate
Not really
Its equally probable Simon broke in. Or that someone broke in to hurt Hammond. Or that Hammond blew it himself.
visual phoenix
then why would the ow team add the footsteps of a gorila there if it wanst suppose to be something to look at? if it was another monkey why not just say it than just stay silent with those footsteps that are extremely similar to winston's?
limpid agate
Its equally probable that Winston abandonned Hammond like a coward. Or that he assumed he was dead sering the broken cage. Or the thought never crossed his mind
The devs made many questionable and over analyzed detaiks
Why are there barcodes everywhere
why does the sign on dorado have greek on it
placid fulcrum
pretty sure a gorilla still broke in. how, why and who are the remaining questions
limpid agate
You can't assume that footprint = winston = heroic breakout = betray = sad departure without hammond
placid fulcrum
yeah, I know
limpid agate
pretty sure a gorilla still broke in.
This is all we know from that context
A gorilla broke in. Who and why we dont know
placid fulcrum
I'm not the one making these assumptions
limpid agate
Break out hammond? Kill Hammond? Investigate that loud noise that broke his cage?
There's lots of possibilities
placid fulcrum
how did hammond get out of his cage?
visual phoenix
but in the hammond origin story we can see that a lot of monkeys were small during the rebellion, so either it was made when they were young and winston escaped long after they grew, or they are smaller apes while winston is one of the gorillas?
so that means the breaking hammond's door was made long after the rebellion, so it shouldn't be to break hammond out... or is it just a plothole that we need to ignore?
limpid agate
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limpid agate
We've seen what their leader looked like
Or presumed leader
Can't remember if they said it explicitly or just suggested it
visual phoenix
it was suggested
that security footage everyone* though was hammond before was was revealed is probably simon
then why would he break down hammonds door?
limpid agate
Break out hammond? Kill Hammond? Investigate that loud noise that broke his cage?
That third relying on ghe possibility that Hammond broke his own cage
visual phoenix
hammond probably did, he was said to be a master of escaping
placid fulcrum
there are banana peels inside hammon's cage
visual phoenix
so if theres not need to be sneaky he just breaks the glass 😛
limpid agate
Could be
visual phoenix
then that will probably be explained better in ow2 when we meet wrecking ball
limpid agate
Doubt it. I don't think we will continue the moon story at launch.
Its relatively unimportant
visual phoenix
what he actually did, even if it's just a dialoge between him and winston
limpid agate
Personally, I don't think Hammond will be in the story
visual phoenix
he's important for winston's character tho
limpid agate
He could be. I don't expect it but its not impossible
visual phoenix
well but at least he could be mentioned :/
if junkrat and roadhog are in the story (which is really likely) they could mention the champion wrecking ball
placid fulcrum
speaking of junkrat and roadhog, and weird map details
visual phoenix
and winston feeling something about that name, just as a tease
limpid agate
I don't thibk they will be in it either
placid fulcrum
roadhog's house looks completely different than it did in the comic
visual phoenix
it makes sense for them to be there tho
limpid agate
Why
placid fulcrum
but there's a sign in the comic, which looks very similar to the one next to junkrat's house
visual phoenix
@placid fulcrum probably a retcon :/
limpid agate
@placid fulcrum Yeah lore versions of maps are different than gameplay
placid fulcrum
I mean.. roadhog could've moved
limpid agate
Go watch Honour and Glory
visual phoenix
lmao
placid fulcrum
it's a little weird that their houses would be literally right next to each other, but they didn't know each other
visual phoenix
that short destroys eichenwalde
limpid agate
I think it's just gameplay and lore segregation
visual phoenix
maps will probably be changed in the story missions... hopefully...
if they arent im gonna be mad
limpid agate
Heroes I think will not be in OW2's story:
Ana and Soldier
Ashe and McCree
Junkrat and Roadhog
Sigma
Hammond
Zarya
visual phoenix
sigma might appear as a side character, being that he works for talon
placid fulcrum
but wait, weren't we told that we're goint o find out what mccree's "unfinished busienss" is?
visual phoenix
maybe jeff said not all to tease us, and maybe the ow2 heroes will not be in there?
exept sojourn, obviously
visual phoenix
what was his specific wording tho?
it could be a play with words to kinda trick us
placid fulcrum
I doubt orisa will be in the story at launch. she gets a novel for herself already
visual phoenix
orisa will probably have a role, since she has ''unfinished'' business with doomfist
it would be sad to tease us with a fight that's never happening
limpid agate
Maybe. I felt like Numbani would be a hotspot for Null Sector to target
And if they did
Orisa would be present
visual phoenix
then the omniums might want to get their hands on orisa >:) if you know what I mean
limpid agate
Or just Efi's bluepints
visual phoenix
I believe most omnics that come from the omnic crisis directly or indirectly, will be susspetable to being copied
and since orisa is a direct upgrade they might want to get her blueprint
or even orisa herself, much like bastion
and kinda zenyatta but I doubt it 😛
why would null sector go for a passifist that throws balls?
limpid agate
He isn't a pacifist
visual phoenix
well, but still, orisa and bastion seem to be of better interest of the omniums
and I guess zen can be monknapped too
limpid agate
Is it winning?
- No - Useless
- Yes - Could be useful
visual phoenix
makes sense
so I feel like they would kidnap omnics at mass, and zen orisa and bastion could be some of them
limpid agate
Why would they kidnap omnics
visual phoenix
or even echo too, even if she's not an omnic, the omnium might want to study her
limpid agate
Especially Bastion
visual phoenix
if there's not acces to their blueprints, they can go the the omnic itself and learn how it is
and I doubt zen has his blueprint on him
neither does orisa
(probably)
limpid agate
What
visual phoenix
if the omniums dont have access to the blueprints, they might wanna take the omnics themselves and learn it 1st hand, I mean it's not farfetched to say omniums can scan omnics and see exactly what's going on, it might be useful to detect flawd omnics
and if echo is taken too because she's a robot, that might be agood mission, zen orisa bastion and echo go somewhere to fight nul sector but get overwhelmed and captured, along with other omnics that might be of use to the omnium
limpid agate
Yeah but there's nothing to learn from Bastion.
visual phoenix
just a kinda streatched idea tho
limpid agate
Its a Bastion with new armor
Likewise, the things worth learning don't need mass kidnapping
visual phoenix
@limpid agate they will have to relearn the blueprint for bastion's wont they, werent all the blueprints and models destroyed?
visual phoenix
wasnt it implied?
limpid agate
You can't delete the fact that someone said the N word 15 years ago
visual phoenix
but you can delete data from an AI's brain
limpid agate
You can't delete every copy of it from every computer in the world ever
visual phoenix
they mighthave removed it :/ somehow
limpid agate
Especially since Null Sector literally had access to them 7 years ago
visual phoenix
well makes sense, but still, we need 4 members lmao, let's get tracer in there to witness her new friends getting horrifically kidnapped
done, zen, orisa and echo get captured to be either copied, or studied (in the case of echo) boom you get yourself a storyline with stakes and risks 🙂
the 4th person that doesnt get capture is optional
limpid agate
Sounds silly
visual phoenix
or the omnium might confuse genji as an omnic?
limpid agate
Yeah this sounds absurd to me
visual phoenix
tho I doubt it
theid probably know the difference lmao
well a person can hope the ow2 storyline is insteresting and not a random disconected story where you do a bunch of missions for a ''goal'' but nevereven get closer to reaching it
it's like, we gotta stop null sector, so let's kill their armies endlessly until the end of time
I hope it's not like that : (
opaque tundra
A kidnapping
Would turn the plot
But I don't know which candidates would be best
visual phoenix
I mean, if the enemy is null sector they might as well capture omnics for the reason above, and it would give the rest of overwatch a reason to go to the omnium other than, StOp tHe BaD GuY
opaque tundra
If someone's trying to ruin my important goals, I would want them to stop. And seeing how null Sector behaves, I can see them wanting to kill all the Overwatch members
Well, there is that one floaty null Sector omnic
visual phoenix
the one that explodes?
opaque tundra
No
visual phoenix
the ship?
opaque tundra
The one with the ring on its back
visual phoenix
lemme check
opaque tundra
The one picture seen in blizzcon
peak escarp
they want to kill Overwatch because they're trying to stop Null Sector
opaque tundra
That's kinda obvious
visual phoenix
and what better way to kill overwatch than split them up and kill them /clone the powerful omnics?
if they do kidnap a human overwatch member it will probably be just to put them alone and kill them sperately, whithout the other shieldling them/healing them
opaque tundra
Tbh your idea is interesting in general but I don't think any kidnapping would take place
peak escarp
Null Sector doesn't seem like the "take prisoners" type
limpid agate
To be fair, they took prisoners in King's Row
But as hostages
Not as subjects of study
visual phoenix
but the prisioners would be to add to their army, if not kidnapping they might get access to orisa's blueprints or something, and use their own weapons against them
limpid agate
Theyre not Borg
opaque tundra
The most I can see happening is some spy omnic watches the omnics with the ow team and goes back to the ship and is like "yo let's copy their homework" and creates an omnic similar to the omnic ow was with
limpid agate
They don't grow stronger numbers from killing or capturing things
visual phoenix
at least if they stole echo's blueprints we'd have a reason to learn what she actually is and what she did
visual phoenix
but that's boring
visual phoenix
xd, but really, I just wanna see null sector get newer enemies and a good way to do that is having null sector imitate overwatch members, it would be an interesting thing, or maybe it's just for bossfights, like they examine tracer and we'd have to fight a tracer bot that acts like tracer, but idk how far that could go lmao
limpid agate
All the enemies are new enemies
peak escarp
they have flying units now, and behemoths
visual phoenix
but newer enemies as you progress, y'know, fighting the same null sector through out the entire campaign is just boring 😦
limpid agate
They're not thr Taken or Borg
opaque tundra
We probably will see the new enemies as we progress
limpid agate
You can introduce new units without assimilation or integration
visual phoenix
well makes sense
limpid agate
The first archvile in doom is met halfway through the game
peak escarp
but there's a sign in the comic, which looks very similar to the one next to junkrat's house
not Junkrat's house, Roadhog's
Junkrat is staying with him while they're partners
shell jay
I believe Junrat does have a house tho
on the Junkertown map theres a small workshop or house with a bed and one of his traps on the walls
peak escarp
he does stay there
but it's part of Roadhog's house
they have voice lines about him staying at Roadhog's house
Junkrat: You know, I never would have taken you for someone with such a homely home.
Roadhog: If you don't like it, stay in your room.
frosty shell
Also, most omniums aren't rogue
I'm trying to dissect the conversation about Omniums; what exactly was being said?
It seems like Dropletom thought that Null Sector would kidnap Omnics to steal their plans
peak escarp
no idea
frosty shell
Also, I know I've said this before, but I still doubt the East China Sea omnium was built in its current condition by humans
I don't see why Omnica would've built it there, and if the Omnium didn't exist pre-Crisis it would explain why it was such a surprise that it came back
visual phoenix
@frosty shell I meant they would want to get access to orisa's blueprints to make ''or16s'' to attack overwatch with, and maybe get bastion's new armor/ zen's powers by ''cloning'' them as null sector omnics, but i'm not sure how it could go down
frosty shell
They don't need to kidnap Orisa to do that
They made their own OR-14s during Uprising, they could likely make a model of a similar caliber to Orisa
Zen, you have some sort of a point
visual phoenix
but if they dont have access to efi's blueprints their only option could be to get the model itself and just ''copy paste'' it, kind of like that, or theid just make a cheap imitation, yeah
theid want her abilities like halt and fortify are new, and super powerful for null sector, they might wanna get it for themselves
and with echo getting captured as well, it could just be to clone her abilities into omnics as well, and that's what I was going for with that idea
frosty shell
Halt and Fortify are based on publicly available parts
Efi didn't come up with those herself
visual phoenix
then the stealing would be on echo, but if she was the only one affected I feel like they would need to give a bigger reason ¯_(ツ)_/¯
limpid agate
Stealing anyone to learn how they tick
Seems weird for Null Sector
We know little about them, but its a silly sounding story. Trying to kidnap Echo so they can mass produce her for the army
Realistically, what would they take from her? The flight and bomblets?
They already have Orbiters for flight units. If they want stronger ones, they can draw from the Gwisin designs instead.
Create their own "Echo"
No need to reverse engineer her
It's just the bomblet gun
And we have no idea how rare that is
visual phoenix
maybe she has more potential? jeff implied that theres something bigger than just a robot lady with bomblets, but still, I get your point of view, unless she's confirmed to be something like a weapon of mass destruction or something (that's kinda ridiculous tbh) this kidnapping idea wouldnt have much to stand on
valid terrace
Maybe she has some kind of hidden ability or knowledge that was too dangerous to run loose, at least explaining why she was boxed after Petras
Omnic or not, considering her more property than person seems like a bad move for the UN to make politically
Especially with so many pro-Omnic cooperation efforts around the globe
pliant sparrow
could be that's how she transports herself
flying would definetly consume a lot of energy
valid terrace
She needed a key to reactivate and was presumably on some form of military transport from Helix
Probably wasn’t using her bus tokens to get in that situation
pliant sparrow
hmm
wonder if 'echo' is actually that chip mccree had
and she transferred into that body when he activated it
limpid agate
Maybe
valid terrace
That could help explain a lot
limpid agate
Could give her a very KI Aria role in the story.
Expendable bodies
If only she had more
valid terrace
If she was actually an ai, then her frame wouldn’t be an Omnic and she would be very unique to the current cast
limpid agate
Though I don't think there are. At least, none easy to acquire
pliant sparrow
makes it possible for her to die and come back as well
limpid agate
Yeah
valid terrace
And an empty frame can be easily stored and transported without it being racist or something
limpid agate
Have her die, and the new body is the OW2 skin
pliant sparrow
it could be there are a few kept by helix
valid terrace
She will have the least amount of time with her Ow1 uniform so something mid story to explain it would make sense
worthy rose
what is great britains stance on omnic inclusion
valid terrace
It’s not like Torb where his old outfit is more outdated
The country or the people? @worthy rose
worthy rose
both
pliant sparrow
seems there's tension after kings row
valid terrace
The UK has imposed segregation laws that force Omnics to live in compressed slum conditions due to their sudden citizenship
The people there have mixed feelings, somewhat akin to American feelings about Hispanics today
Some support the Omnics and some don’t
valid terrace
Yes
valid terrace
Those are all houses lining the sides down there
They call it the Underworld I believe
worthy rose
how do they fit that much houses underground lol
pliant sparrow
just look at ancient houses people built into rocm faces
valid terrace
Cheap living conditions since Omnics presumably don’t need to eat or sleep at human rates if at all
pliant sparrow
a lot of small rooms can be made in a somewhat large area
worthy rose
didnt they get treated better before the omnic crisis
also kings row is in london right
worthy rose
but in the like
valid terrace
And yes it has Big Ben
worthy rose
well its not right
its not big ben
its just
british clock tower
know what i mean
pliant sparrow
pre crisis they were probably treated similarly to how former slaves were by many
valid terrace
It’s called the London Uprising I think I’ll double check
Yes it is indeed London
Can’t post pics but the Uprising comic says so
valid terrace
^
worthy rose
so is zenyatta more like gandhi
valid terrace
He was the leader of the Shambali at the time, or at least their representative
Yes I’d agree with that analogy @worthy rose
pliant sparrow
zenyatta isn't a pacifist though
worthy rose
why is the 2nd omnic crisis happening though
valid terrace
It’s unclear
pliant sparrow
null sector play a big role
worthy rose
is it cause of rights again or
pliant sparrow
there's also remnants of the crisis still around
pliant sparrow
some omniums still haven't been found e.g, east china sea
valid terrace
Null Sector is fighting for Omnics to be the superior specie
pliant sparrow
i think
valid terrace
We don’t know why the Russian or ECS Omniums are still fighting
pliant sparrow
we don't know why the omnics started fighting in the first place
valid terrace
Yes
pliant sparrow
the cause of the omniums waking up is still unkown
although I think junkrat found out
valid terrace
It’s a popular theory yeah
frosty shell
The Russian omnium only restarted a few years ago
teal meadow
I'm still upset that the only lore question at blizzcon to michal chu was if reaper was mexican..
placid fulcrum
Well... the kind of questions we want to know the answer to the most are probably too spoilery to be answered
placid fulcrum
Hm... McCree states that he returned to Route 66 because of an unfinished business, but apparently it was not a business related to the Deadlock Gang. What else is there?
grand wedge
Well - getting Echo back? The voiceline was added just before the blizzcon 2018 so it was part of Ashe/Echo tease
shell jay
I always thought it had something to do with Gabriel but then why would he be at Route 66? 🤔
placid fulcrum
But he said that after getting echo back, so it's not about her either
Yeah, I also thought he was talking about Reaper. But it's such a weird place to look for him.
He said that at the end of reunion, not just in the in-game voiceline
Btw do we find Ashe's bike somewhere on the map? The location he left it in might give us a clue
Or maybe he returned because he expects Reaper to go after him? It would be the first place Reaper would come looking for him
safe oracle
We’re Ashe and Mccree a thing?
worthy rose
It seems like McCree is uninterested.
grand wedge
« You never were my type Ashe » he does say something like that in game right?
placid fulcrum
his "too rich" remark doesn't sound convincing though
more like "too entitled" or something. she could still have a chance if she becomes a little less "it's always my way" kind of person. which is doable!
I'm rooting for her!
pliant sparrow
I doubt they would end up in a relationship
placid fulcrum
well, that would suck, because there are no other women or men around his age, that he'd have a significant interaction with and who aren't already interested in somebody else. which means that he'll end up dating yet another background rando romance no one gives a crap about
pliant sparrow
or maybe he won't date, ever considered that?
placid fulcrum
a big part of Ana's short story was soldier feeling sorry for himself for not having a family. don't want mccree to end up the same way
worthy rose
SOs don't have to be plot-relevant.
pliant sparrow
soldier had a lot more than just that going on
placid fulcrum
I know they don't have to be plot-relevant, but it would be interesting if they were
worthy rose
The only reason Emily and Vincent exist is for completeness
worthy rose
They don't want to leave open ends as if there's some massive secret they've been hiding, so we know everything we need to.
worthy rose
If Tracer was stated to be gay without mentioning Emily, that raises the question of relationships. If they refused to answer anything about that, people would go wild with the theories.
worthy rose
And why should they even be interested in each other?
placid fulcrum
why should she and a non-character like emily be interested in each other?
worthy rose
That's the default.
placid fulcrum
what "Default" randos aren't a default
worthy rose
A lot of these people have a life outside of the plot, and I think SOs that are just normal people help us to remember that.
placid fulcrum
still sucks for a story
worthy rose
The world doesn't revolve around a couple dozen people.
placid fulcrum
I mena, in real life, any of the main characters could die at any time from a random bullet. but that would be anti-climactic for a story
limpid agate
The relationship choices we have make sense.
I'd prefer less, but the ones we have at least feel meaningful given the context.
placid fulcrum
"makes sense" =/= "is interesting to watch"
worthy rose
One is more important than the other.
placid fulcrum
like I said, it makes sense that heroes die from random bullets in a fight
but it's anticlimactis ina story
limpid agate
Character defining: Widow, Torb (Brig), Ana (Pharah)
Protagonist's obligatory: Tracer
Contrasts: Soldier/Reaper
Obligatory 1 interhero relationship: Mercy/Genji (Teased)
1 interhero relationship is more than enough
placid fulcrum
Um, Torb&Brig and Ana&Pharah aren';t really relationships
worthy rose
Ingrid, Sam
placid fulcrum
both randos
placid fulcrum
they could be dead right now and the story would still be the same
worthy rose
Mostly, yeah.
worthy rose
The only reason that they exist is to show that there isn't some secret that's going to end in a plot twist.
placid fulcrum
literally the only relationship worth watching. and I don't even ship it
worthy rose
Yes, of course they aren't compelling relationships to watch.
We aren't supposed to be watching them anyway.
placid fulcrum
well, that's sad. I like stories because I like to watch humans interact. I'm not much interested in how many enemies they kill
worthy rose
And a lot of that will be the New Overwatch getting together and working with others to fight Null Sector and Talon.
placid fulcrum
don't get me wrong, i enjoy platonic relationships in voerwatch
limpid agate
I have a pair of questions
1 - Do you watch Marvel movies?
2 - If so, how do you feel about ||Hawkeye's family?||
placid fulcrum
but I hate the idea that the most important relationship int hat characters life is one that we get absolutely no insight into
I hated hawkeye's family
worthy rose
It isn't about romance, so they don't add more than what makes sense/is necessary.
placid fulcrum
sorry, is that a spoiler?
limpid agate
Its not
I spoiled it to not ruin the second question if you didnt read the first
Hawkeye's family was one of the better parts of the story, imo.
worthy rose
Hawkeye's family was well done. They had enough characterization to show that they're people, but they didn't waste time on an elaborate setup for Hawkeye's motivation.
limpid agate
As a contrast to all of Black Widow's worthless romance interactions
Or the Scarlet Witch/Vision plot tumor
worthy rose
It's similar here. They have a good enough base for more development if someone manages to get involved in the plot, but not so much that anyone thinks that they're overdeveloped for background characters.
valid terrace
I like having the heroes be separate from each other and having mixed feelings about everything
valid terrace
Obligatory pair ups don’t make a good lore
worthy rose
^
limpid agate
^^
placid fulcrum
a hundred separate subplots that don't connect to each other don't make good writing
quite the opposite
worthy rose
They are semi-connected, and look to be getting together more.
McCree made contact by sending Echo to Newverwatch
Mercy got with them too
placid fulcrum
sam could be dead. he has no purpose in the story. if it's jsut to guilt ana for not telling her family about not being dead, that is already fulfilled by pharah
sam has no point ine xisting, so he shouldn't. and sicne he does, he should be more relevant
worthy rose
Again, he just fills in the blank with someone who shows that there's nothing to see there.
limpid agate
Sam being dead would make Pharah an orphan
Pharah has a family still
Through Sam
Because Ana was dead
placid fulcrum
and that doens't matter
worthy rose
Otherwise, people start theorizing about "What if Pharah's dad were [insert any male character here]?"
limpid agate
So Ana being in a relationship with another hero is more important than Pharah not being an orphan
placid fulcrum
relationships shown in canon being significant and developed is more important that random background characters existing because you're afraid of fans making theories, yes
worthy rose
It doesn't matter either way. The whole point of these people is just to show that there's nothing to see here.
iron plume
except it wouldn't be a developed relationships because overwatch doesn't focus on relationships
placid fulcrum
"there's nothing to see here" is a pretty boring set up for a canon
lament prawn
you can ship mccree and ashe or whatever without it being canon, just like the people happily shipping tracer and widowmaker knowing that will never be canon
iron plume
it would be a forced connection between heroes
lament prawn
im glad they didnt add a cowgirl just to be the love interest of the existing cowboy
worthy rose
They aren't interested in making romantic subplots, so they made generic people.
limpid agate
I thought that was sarcasm because Ashe
placid fulcrum
I'm not interested in generic people, sorry
limpid agate
I'm not interested in worthless romantic subplots
placid fulcrum
I'm interested in people I care about and watching humans interact with people I care about
worthy rose
Then maybe you aren't interested in the Overwatch lore.
lament prawn
those interactions are happening all the time, just not romantic
worthy rose
^
placid fulcrum
I'm very interested in overwatch lore. there's a lot of great set up that could elad to interesting things. for example, I'm interested in ana and pharah reuniting and their interaction. i'm interested in mccree and reaper interacting. i'm interested in junkrat and roadhog meeting with either talon or overwatch tcharacters and interacting with them
because i care about these characters, and i'm interested in seeing them interact
limpid agate
Would you prefer it if characters like Sam or Ingrid got more screentime?
To make them more "characters" and less "family members"
limpid agate
I would rather they stay as a construct of world building, but am not opposed to them getting increased screentime.
Gerard aside.
He's actually an important character
That I'd like to see more of
placid fulcrum
then we agree
iron plume
no one disagreed with you on that
limpid agate
I would put that very low on the priority list
Of stories I think are worth telling
placid fulcrum
my only point is that I hate random background characters being the most important relationship in main characters' lives. I honestly don't care who they date. mccree could be dating roadhog for all i care, I jus want canon to make me care in the first place
iron plume
so you'd rather have a completely nonsensical relationship rather than one with a non-hero
placid fulcrum
who said it would be nonsensical?
if it's completely random, like mchanzo, where the two character haven't ever even met each other, that sucks
but I assume if canon threw mcroadhog on us, they would bother with an explanation of how the hell it happeend XD
iron plume
which would be stretched and barely believable
lament prawn
there are a lot of dynamic relationships between the main cast that makes me care about them, i just dont feel the need or even want for them to be romantic
iron plume
^
placid fulcrum
like I said, I care about platonic relationships too
iron plume
I'm on the gency train but I'd be just as happy with them being caring close friends
and McAshe are better as frienemies than they'd ever be as a couple
placid fulcrum
but if canon throws love interests in my face, and has characters bemoaning their lack of a family, I'd like for it to not be something random and uninteresting
iron plume
you are severely overstating the presence of love interests in canon
placid fulcrum
tracer visiting winston was more interesting and touching to watch than her going out of her way to buy a scarf for her rando girlfriend
lament prawn
it makes sense that a lot of these characters have love interests that arent main characters, that doesnt make it bad writing
placid fulcrum
because I don't know that girlfriend, and her feelings don't matter to me as much as winston's
limpid agate
Yeah I also didnt care for Reflections
placid fulcrum
I didn't say it's bad writing to have rando background relationships. I only mean that it's a wasted opportunity
taking precious screen time to introduce a bunch of randos, when we could be seeing our favourite characters interacting
and I'm hardly the only one with this opinion. look at all the fanart and fanfiction and compare how many ships are between canon characters vs canon love interests. few people give a crap about the latter. they're not interesting to watch or theorize about
so they might as well be cut out
iron plume
there's also a fuckton of fanart and fanfiction about mchanzo who've never met in lore
is their relationship more important too
iron plume
you didn't answer the question
lament prawn
people find a character they can project themselves onto, then a character that theyre into, boom thats their ship, i would never want that crap in canon
limpid agate
I dont care for Emily, but for different reasons than you
placid fulcrum
yes, it is. because, romance aside, I'd be interested in seeing mccree's reaction to the guy who caused the condition of his teammate. wouldn't that be more interesting than a rando?
lament prawn
that thing with fanfiction or whatever is true in literally any community
limpid agate
She only exists to show the reader that Tracer is gay. Vincent is the same, but for Soldier. The difference is, there was not a single better way to show that Soldier was gay without tarnishing his character. Can the same be said for Tracer?
placid fulcrum
like I said, tracer could always be dating mei
limpid agate
When
Tracer didnt join OW until after Mei was frozen
They literally could not have ever met
lament prawn
honestly the way i saw that is showing us tracer's normal life. like in a movie when the hero finally goes home to their family who we've never seen or heard of, because it doesnt matter. definitely wasnt "wasted screentime" to me tho
placid fulcrum
like I said, they did meet in ow2
limpid agate
And then they suddenly start dating
Just like that
Sounds like poor writing
Emily is better
placid fulcrum
you mean like mercy and genji?
limpid agate
Mercy and Genji is also better than that
The first we see of their romantic subplot chronologically is 2-3 years after they met
And that's just shiptease, not even a relationship
placid fulcrum
I don't mind waiting 2-3 years for tracers and mei's romance. or tracers and literally anyone I could give a damn about
limpid agate
If you want to enforce your ships
And find some lore excuse for it
You came to the wrong place.
placid fulcrum
I don't
limpid agate
Tracer/Mei has absolutely 0 reason to ever exist under any circumstance.
placid fulcrum
I already told you that I don't care who they date. I'm jsut disappointed that canon fails at making me interested in what is supposed to be the msot important relationship in the lfie of characters
limpid agate
The story isnt about that.
The relationships fall under world building, they're not important.
placid fulcrum
worldbuilding is not a story
limpid agate
Neither is Overwatch
Overwatch 2 will contain a story.
Old Soldiers/Bastet/Valkyrie is a story
Overwatch as a world is not a story.
placid fulcrum
then I hope we get more good stories
limpid agate
I also do.
placid fulcrum
shwoing characters interacting in ways that are interesting to watch
midnight shoal
I really hope they stop with the cheesy dialogue found in most cinematics with OW2
placid fulcrum
it's blizzard. cheesy dialogue is their thing! XD
midnight shoal
Fair enough
But I don't think I've ever heard Tracer say anything aside from cliched responses
placid fulcrum
tbh, she has very little depth. there's a potential for it, but at this point... not yet
or maybe that's jsut because her voice sounds like a cartoon character's
hard to take her seriously
limpid agate
Its both
placid fulcrum
I think the best example is to contrast her with Reinhardt. We know that he used to be a pretty careless and self-centered guy, until his mentor died. We can see the impact that this event had on him, it fundamentally changed him as a person and still motivates him to this day on.
And then we have Tracer, who had 2 moment s that could be like Rein's but missed their mark. Firstly her "disability", which could've made an impact on her, if it weren't for the fact that we don't see it. We've only seen her already after she's learned to cope with it, and even enjoy it. Then we have the Mondatta incident, but although it made her sad, it didn't change anything about her character.
And, of course, Reaper and Soldier underwent massive character development. Best written characters in the franchise, imho.
valid terrace
It’s a light hearted series for the most part
All the underlying themes are angled for good to win
placid fulcrum
I know, not every character needs depth
But those who don't generally aren't as interesting to watch as those who do
Aside from gimmicky characters like Junkrat, who I can't imagine having any sort of development whatsoever. But Roadhog makes up for it in character depth.
I must say, I was pleasantly surprised at Roadhog's character. Those big fat hired muscle kind of guys in fiction tend to be simpletons
valid terrace
The good guys are going to get a lot more depth in ow2 hopefully
placid fulcrum
I'm not familiar with these. Roadhog is the first such subversion I've personally come across, so it made a good impression on me.
iron plume
i'm not taking anything away from Hog, it's a good trait
worthy rose
is there a chance tracer calls enemies wankers if she kills them
limpid blaze
Yes, with the punk and ultraviolet skins I believe
worthy rose
does it happen alot
limpid blaze
Just a random voice line that plays when she gets a kill like you said, so probablys not every game
pliant sparrow
i believe the requirement is that you've reported the person you kill as well as the skin but i'm not sure
lament prawn
reported the person you kill
woah what
i mean that's a neat requirement for it but really?
i thought it was just a rare line with those skins
pliant sparrow
i remember reading that somewhere but i could be wrong
limpid agate
That's not a requirement
Its random
Its just a kill line that turns on with those skins
pliant sparrow
my mistake
peak escarp
that would be weird
valid terrace
Is this just the events revolving recall?
shell jay
while spectating in eco-point Antarctica in a custom game I was looking for things I often pass when playing. I saw that one ice block in that one small room still wondering what's in there, then I was looking at the tables in the spawn rooms, on one of them is a map and a small area that says "anamoly detected", next to it theres a paper that says "What's causing the anomaly?", then a list, 1. Global Warming, 2. Unexplained phenomenon, 3. Aliens?!! With a small drawing of an alien. I've also found a weird slow globe with the word 'grey' (I think that was explained already so an explanation would be great ty) and another map but this time in a journal. Anything thoughts on any of this, maybe the aliens thing?
worthy rose
I think they'll say that global warming is causing some of it, but an unexplained anomaly could be responsible for the rest. Aliens is pretty obviously a joke.
Unexplained anomaly as in "Giant Null Sector factory that could actually make all the things we see in Zero Hour".
shell jay
I mainly brought that up to some small refences to an alien horror movie
like that block of ice
limpid agate
Snow Globe
It wasn't explained. Its most likely that an artist was told to make a snowglobe, and when he asked what they wanted inside they said "Whatever you want, just make it grey"
So they made it literally just
The word grey
an alien horror movie
You mean The Thing?
There are references to that elsewhere iirc
But that is not one of them.
peak escarp
@valid terrace its supposed to be a timeline of all events - most of the timeline so far is centered around Recall
valid terrace
Are you not including backstory stuff like Omnic crisis?
peak escarp
I'm just focusing on the present day timeline for now
valid terrace
Kk
peak escarp
plenty of other people have covered the backstory timeline
valid terrace
Fair enough
sonic kayak
I like how we asked blizzard ThOuSAnds of time we need a overwatch movie
limpid agate
Costs too much money
limpid agate
They made a Warcraft movie
It flopped in the west
It only made its money back abroad
sonic kayak
Its still a million dollar award winning company they can pull it off
peak escarp
what would it even be about? they couldn't possibly fit all 31 heroes into a 2 hour movie, it would be a mess
half the roster has nothing to do with the other heroes
limpid agate
What
sonic kayak
Just base it on the original characters
peak escarp
which original characters? the Overwatch founders? the launch heroes?
limpid agate
I think they meant new characters just for the movie
sonic kayak
Tracer winston all the og's
peak escarp
wouldn't that just be a retelling of the story we already know?
limpid agate
And DVa
sonic kayak
but we know only parts of the story
limpid agate
Like, the Warcraft movie
Was a big deal
And it flopped
It failed to make profit
sonic kayak
Not the full
limpid agate
And people thought it was the best video game movie since Mortal Kombat
And it flopped
Its not profitable for them to just
Make a movie
sonic kayak
Actually now that i think of it your right it would flop
I just want more animations lol
placid fulcrum
let's hope they won't end up cutting stuff out, like they did with reforged
worthy rose
Tbh I think a movie would be bad for OW; I think a series akin to clone wars would be great
valid terrace
If it followed a small group within Overwatch that wasn’t very significant, I could get behind it
If it followed the main cast or even side heroes, it probably wouldn’t pan out
Like a third person perspective of the rise and fall of Overwatch
lament prawn
if it didnt follow heroes, it'd lose a lot of its charm imo
if its a full on long term series then i think actually following the heroes would be good
the advantage a series has over a movie is that you can jump between different characters and stories, but that doesnt mean it wont have a main plot
valid terrace
The main problem with following the heroes, unless it’s the og strike team, is that there’s either not enough at once, or they are too powerful for nearly all the missions, assuming it’s not present day, and if it is, what will separate it from the ow2 story mode?
Following normal agent stories will likely have a bigger impact on the lore
lament prawn
i wasnt considering any specific part of the timeline, or even when said hypothetical series would release (resending this message cause my internet died and idk if it sent)
overwatch as a franchise will exist for long enough that there probably will be an "after OW2", unless they keep the missions as their standard form of storytelling
(which i doubt - they still make cinematic shorts and comics and short stories for a reason)
its not like any of the emotional or plot twist-y bits will be told through gameplay - thats mostly just shooting, we only have the intro/outro cutscenes and any possible ones that appear in the middle for that
there was a recent article where jeff was casually talking about how they could expand the franchise - "a movie? a series?" (forgot the exact quote)
peak escarp
why would she be?
limpid agate
@young wyvern Not an appropriate comment to make.
placid fulcrum
Overwatch would work great as an animated series
it could give all heroes spotlight then
and the art style is already very cartoonish, so it would look good in 2d
tawdry falcon
That would be amazing @placid fulcrum
peak escarp
I'd prefer the 3d style they're already using
peak escarp
2d is expensive too
placid fulcrum
not nearly as much though
tawdry falcon
3d is way more expensive
peak escarp
not much chance of getting a 2d series either
placid fulcrum
true. neither 2d nor 3d series are profitable
the best we can hope for are more shorts
peak escarp
more shorts, more short stories, more novels
Jeff said more comics, but that was 2 years ago now
placid fulcrum
aw
peak escarp
I have a more optimistic outlook on the lore than most people
I'm sure we'll get comics again eventually
placid fulcrum
blizzard is in a bad spot lately, so it's a good moment to start giving us something nice
worthy rose
I would hope at the very least they've stockpiled comics
grand wedge
I’m still hoping for the comic comeback T^T
lament prawn
the whole point of OW2 is to give a home and "main game" to the less vocal other half of the community that love the characters and not the SR
so i think there's good reason to be optimistic, it'll be interesting to see how i play overwatch completely transform, and not as a quick story mode before everyone goes back to comp, but an actual continuous thing with super regular lore
worthy rose
which hero says
wait i forgot
wait no
which hero says
something like
''rethinking your life decisions?'' after they kill soemone
if any of them do
also
how tf did mondatta die
widow didnt even hit his lights on his head stuff
frosty totem
he was shot
worthy rose
omnics are not humans
ik the whole headshot thing with games
but
im talking about the cinematic
humans die when shot in the head cause their braina nd stuff is there
but robots dont got brain
worthy rose
Widow probably hit the equivalent, the actual computer parts in his head.
placid fulcrum
I re-watched sombra's 2d origin story and at the part where she talks about the global conspiracy she also mentions that someone noticed her hacking and the screen show this weird red eye symbol. It occurred to me that this symbol could potentially belong to whoever keeps the omniums working. she told zarya that the reason she spared katya volskaya was because she believed katya could help with this conspiracy. what led to her to that belief? the only thing of note about katya is that she secretly works together with the omnics, despite outwardly pretending that she's fighting against them. maybe that's the secret? the omniums are actually being operated by the government of the countries they're in, and the governments are only pretending that they're against it, because they don't want the foreign powers to know that they're producing weapons and stuff. it's essentially a worldwide arms race
if you look at what was on her screens before the eye appears, one of the screen shows something that looks like parts of an omnic's head, and another screen shows a mysterious pyramid-like building
so perhaps she was hacking the computers inside the omniums at the time?
wait... I think that pyramid-like building looks very simialr to lumerico symbol
we already know that sombra uncovered their dirt, but that can't be all there is to it
maybe something related to the actual powerplant?
oh, in that final shot in sombra's cinematic, there's that eye again, and it's connected to everything - overwatch, lumerico, vishkar. so it's like a separate organization that controls all others
even talon
also, on that web of connections between characters and organizations, there's a robot connected to reinhardt and to the eye
and it looks extremely simialr to that robot on the first strike cover
worthy rose
the I r i s
That's the leading theory, mainly because no other known organization could have that symbolism and be big enough to do that.
placid fulcrum
here's a closeup of that robot and the robot connected to the eye
the only difference is that the robot on the web has a symbol drawn on its face. but the shape of the eyes, the 3 dots on tis forhead, the "ears", the shape of the "jaw", it's all the same
also, that symbol ont he robot's face looks simialr to the omega symbol
I'm interested in why is that robot specificlaly linked to the conspiracy, and why is reinhardt linekd to the robot, of all people
everyone else's connections make sense. so there should be a link between these two. but what is it?
hmm... the australian omnium looks like a pyramid-shaped building. so the building on sombra's screens right before she was noticed doens't necessarily have to be the lumerico powerplant
limpid agate
Yup
Ive been curious about that First Strike omnic and why they are directly linked to the heart of Sombras conspiracy
peak escarp
it does look like Lumerico, but that would be anachronistic since she's a teen here and the power plants weren't made until later (unless the plans for them were drawn up a decade ago)
she's also looking at other topics including omnics, some world statistics and a woman (Katya?)
peak escarp
or they just didn't think about it and used concept art for Dorado
peak escarp
a surprising amount of things can be explained as "they didn't think about it"
particularly the earlier stuff, before they noticed that the community will dissect everything
grand wedge
^
peak escarp
Chu even admits it in his GDC talk when describing the image of the medal ceremony where everyone is the wrong age
worthy rose
I just want to know more about Liao, the sombra conspiracy, an in depth look at reaper’s turn, and the south china sea omnium that is responsible for the gwishin
That was the only true hard retcon
peak escarp
what was?
limpid agate
The medals
peak escarp
I wouldn't call it a retcon - it was wrong to start with
retcons are things that were correct, but then they changed them
like D.Va's game or Mei waking up alone
limpid agate
Bios in general get hit by this most
peak escarp
wouldn't be a problem if they updated them like they said they would
limpid agate
There was another hero with a bio that has retcons, forgot which...
peak escarp
Reinhardt's bio says Overwatch was founded more than 30 years ago
the bios will probably be corrected/updated for OW2
grand wedge
I hope they will !
peak escarp
at one point I had the idea of going through the bios and making corrected versions, but I gave up after only a few
bright edge
Is sombra on that pic really teen? It may be just artstyle. In her younger years she was part of that gang in dorado. Or is her skin non canon? If it is, i just want to point at her hairstyle that is from current years, and when she was part of gang it was mohawk
crimson ravine
She seems like a teen in that pic.. at least in my opinion, and from how her desk looks, she looks like a teen maybe same age at d.va
bright edge
I actually went to watch origin story. She looks like that the same as in part where she is adult. This desk is more pc nerd than teen. Also that bottle looks like it can be alcohol and no way blizz would put it on teens desk. It is known that sombra drinks
peak escarp
her Los Muertos skin isnt canon
shell jay
Why did so many people ship Tracer and Brig after the Zero Hour short
opaque tundra
Because shippers will ship anything
shell jay
true
only the weird ones tho, I just read two forum posts, one about Brig and Rein and the other about Mercy and Doomfist, both posted by the same person🤢
reef dagger
Hey, here's a bit of an open poll, feel free to ping me with your ideas.
But if you were to make any changes to heroes in-game to make them more lore-friendly, how would you do it?
valid terrace
Add more solo interactions based on location or action, rather than most important ones being conversations
If you mean ability wise, I don’t think it matters
peak escarp
if you wanted to make the game lore-friendly, ultimates wouldn't have to be charged
limpid agate
but my point stands- Dorado's power plants didnt exist yet
@peak escarp What makes you say that
peak escarp
they were built around the time of Recall
they would just be in the planning phase in Sombra's 20s
limpid agate
Today, LumériCo CEO Guillermo Portero announced the completion of the Dorado nuclear plant, the last link in the company's long-awaited network that promises to deliver affordable, clean energy to the entirety of the country.
Okay, so Dorado's didn't specifically
But why would that make her investigating the company seem odd
If it were in the past
peak escarp
I guess she could have found the plans for them on LumeriCo's servers
grand wedge
that he proposed a plan to seize privately held land via government expropriation to expand LumériCo's facilities throughout Mexico.
That could explain why she was investigating Lumercio before
lament prawn
if you were to make any changes to heroes in-game to make them more lore-friendly, how would you do it?
if you mean just in general, this game is designed around competitive gameplay so the movement mechanics are very simplistic and its full of cooldowns, so take away the cooldowns and add more flexibility in terms of movement (something i wish they did/would do for OW2), and youre much closer to the lore
or if you mean just being in character, we've never seen mercy's pistol in the lore
and d.va doesn't actually have a "self-destruct sequence" and unlimited mechs
iron plume
well for one the game wouldn't have respawns
iron plume
simulator games usually have nameless soldiers though
so respawns can be handwaved as you "taking over" another person
lament prawn
true
iron plume
some of the more hardcore mods for Arma and such have that explicitly
whereas if tracer or whoever dies you don't get another one
realistically you'd have something like Archives
where the hero is out unless resurrected
maybe with Mercy being the only way to do so, and a permanently out hero getting sidelined as like
"critically injured"
placid fulcrum
In a way, that already exists in the mystery heroes mode
One character dies, another takes over
lament prawn
or you break reality and have 3 roadhogs on one team repeatedly hooking a sigma without killing him
placid fulcrum
The fanfics are writing themselves! 😂
reef dagger
I'm working on a project in the Workshop based around hypothetical improvements or changes to heroes, and making characters feel more true to their archetypes or their lore is a part of that.
For instance, I've given Reaper and Moira the ability to ascend when using their respective incorporeal abilities
Zenyatta's got a modified jumping mechanic to simulate how he floats, and Sigma loses gravity as he gains ultimate charge.
Just a lot of cute changes like that.
@lament prawn A lot of the things you said, such as making the movement more flexible (for instance, more lightweight characters can now pull themselves up ledges) and reducing some cooldowns (like Hanzo's lunge) is also a part of that.
I'm basically trying to create ideals for how characters could be tweaked/remade Overwatch 2, being more fun to play overall and more true to their own characters (and also fun to master with higher skill ceilings, and be fun to play even if the PvE gets repetitive, like Lucio, but that's a discussion outside of this channel)
reef dagger
(Also, I've done some fairly logical tweaks, such as adding momentum at the end of some abilities that push you forward, like Jet Boosters, Swift Strike, and Shield Bash)
lament prawn
what i meant by movement is that the current movement is very simplistic for the sake of competitive fairness and gameplay balance, compare the simple movesets of CSGO to something like, i dunno, any game where you can combat roll and slide and climb over ledges
although doing this would be hard when they have to animate everything individually for the different characters
@reef dagger those changes you made are very cool! please tell me you let tracer blink upwards too
reef dagger
Ehh....
Sort of, but not really?
I gave her a very subtle upward boost at the end of her blink, so she has a bit more air-time, and she can chain multiple blinks together to gain some height, allowing her to reach places she barely would have missed before.
Maybe not a lore-based change per se
lament prawn
oh i see, i thought blinking upwards in the direction she's looking could be good, but yours is a nice quality of life change that makes her feel jumpier and lighter
blinking upwards might be a bit rough too because the player would instantly start to fall without fully grasping where they are, but throwing in some stylized hang time before gravity takes over wouldnt feel too bad i imagine (assuming any of this is possible)
reef dagger
I've experimented with 'blink jumps' in various forms in the past, but the real question is, how can Tracer blink upwards in the first place?
lament prawn
whenever she does in cinematics, she quickly jumps in that direction before blinking (this definitely serves the purpose of anticipation in animation, so the viewer knows what's about to happen, but it could also be that she carries over the momentum of that jump constantly until she reaches her desired position)
upbeat plaza
are genji and mercy in a relation?
valid terrace
It’s implied
worthy rose
It’s implied they are shipped together but no concrete relationship status
grand bluff
Well I don't know if implied. There are hints here and there but it could just be that they have a friendship or history in the sense that mercy saved his life
peak escarp
a close relationship is implied, but we don't know the nature of that relationship
it could be romantic, it could be platonic
pliant sparrow
Could be one sided
peak escarp
they seem to like each other
pliant sparrow
As in, mercy views him as a close friend whilst genji may be in love with her
peak escarp
I wish they'd stop being afraid of the community and just come out and say that they're together
peak escarp
of course, confirming anything won't change the fandom - they'll just pretend it never happened
what do y'all think about the theory that Doomfist and Sigma were kept in the same prison?
valid terrace
It would explain why Talon randomly rescues him
But I thought Dutch authorities were keeping Sigma?
Also the places they were held look different
Though that may be because Sigma was in a psych ward or because Doomfist was in max security
limpid agate
!!loreHeroes sigma
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peak escarp
and we know Helix was guarding Doomfist's prison
Helix is known for taking government contracts
the location is nondescript enough to be just about anywhere
and we don't see much of the inside of the prison
peak escarp
aside from "European" I can't tell what those buildings look like
and it probably is somewhere in Europe, since that's where Reaper was headed after Valkyrie
fringe blade
I honestly feel like the buildings look more middle eastern than European