again
#lore-discussion
placid fulcrum
hence my suspicion that they had some kind of dela
before tracer's mission?
is there any indication that this mission was undercover?
placid fulcrum
oh, welp, there goes my theory 😂
peak escarp
he only sends them because Tracer gives him a nice speech about using her powers to help people
I think the brain damage theory is more likely
or something else that caused him to screw up on an important mission
frosty shell
Also, I imagine the reason why Reyes joked about sending Reinhardt is because it was a stealth mission, so he'd be a terrible pick
peak escarp
yeah
frosty shell
Nice username, is typing...
peak escarp
Director Petras is probably calling him to repeat the order to do nothing
frosty shell
I don't think Overwatch ever had any ranking Omnic agents (except maybe Echo, IDK)
We don't know
placid fulcrum
he has a talk weith tracer, sends her away. then he has a talk with petras, and then they go ona mission. makes you wodner what did he discuss with eptras
peak escarp
Morrison doesn't talk with Petras
he tells him to call back
"Actually, tell him I'll call back."
placid fulcrum
hm, well, I'll put the idea on hold then
also, notice that reinhardt was still a part of the team then
so he went into retirement very close to the swiss incident
frosty shell
Reinhardt was almost certainly forced into some kind of mandatory retirement indeed
peak escarp
some time between Uprising and Storm Rising, Reinhardt was forced into retirement
that's a span of about a year
placid fulcrum
also, one interesting detail how reaper claims ana was left for the dead
frosty shell
She was
placid fulcrum
but in bastet soldier says that reyes himself sent mccree to find ana
frosty shell
Reaper could be lying obviously
peak escarp
he sent McCree because he felt like Jack had given up on her
frosty shell
And that too
peak escarp
Jack had left her for dead
placid fulcrum
but it was during the time when blackwatch was suspended, so he had no authority to send mccree to do anything
placid fulcrum
so maybe that is why reinhardt left
placid fulcrum
maybe he and reyes both agreed that they should organzie a search party for ana
but jack said no
peak escarp
and McCree is his right hand man, and probably cares about Ana just as much as they do
frosty shell
As for the public opinion of Overwatch, perhaps Petras/Morrison went out publicly and stated "We will not do any unauthorized missions" or something like that
Due to them having to admit that Blackwatch existed
So when the Uprising happened, Morrison had to take the fall, hence why people were turning against him
peak escarp
Overwatch was seen as anti-sovereignty, meaning they ignored the sovereignty of the countries they operated in, ignored orders not to act and did whatever they pleased
placid fulcrum
/flashbacks to team america:world police 😂
frosty shell
lol
frosty shell
The director was presumably supposed to be that person
frosty shell
Interesting that Petras presumably didn't resign after Uprising
Given that his authority would seem pretty questionable in the wake of that
placid fulcrum
petras act
frosty shell
But he was still in charge until the end since the act was named for him
placid fulcrum
he was the one who dissolved overwatch, so he didn't resign for sure
frosty shell
That's what I said
peak escarp
there's a lot we don't know about the end of Overwatch
frosty shell
Yeah, it'd be cool to know
peak escarp
I'm still really hoping we get the full details some day
peak escarp
preferably in a novel, so they can give us their internal thoughts and all the juicy details
frosty shell
The format I latched onto would be Jack telling his side to Ana and Reaper telling his side to Sombra
peak escarp
I know people want it shown as a flashy battle between Jack and Gabe, but I'm more interested in the bigger story - what led to that, how Overwatch dealt with the aftermath, how the UN enacted the Petras Act, what happened to the heroes in the aftermath
frosty shell
And the aftermath probably took a while too
Doomfist's trial likely would've taken place during that time
peak escarp
was anyone arrested? how was Winston treated?
peak escarp
true - the two people they would want to arrest were both thought to be dead
frosty shell
However, you're probably talking about past crimes
IDK what happened with McCree - he was likely still an outlaw, but he left before the fall
peak escarp
the Petras Act wasn't an overnight thing - Overwatch was being investigated for 3 years before it gets passed
frosty shell
Exactly
peak escarp
they must have found enough to shut them down, maybe enough to incriminate Jack and Gabe
definitely Gabe, if anyone
and maybe the rest of Blackwatch
frosty shell
Though a lot of the reasoning might not've been incriminating activities
It might've been as simple as "The concept just doesn't work, as demonstrated by the HQ explosion"
Though at the time they seem to have written it off as an accident
I wonder if there were ulterior motivations in declaring Morrison and Reyes dead without bodies - perhaps as a way to suspend combat operations more conveniently?
peak escarp
that would be a good way to convince Overwatch to cease operations
placid fulcrum
whatever happened to make mccree an outlaw, I doubt it was the dissolution of overwatch itself. pretty sure he was officially employed, which means he had to have been pardoned for his past crimes.
something else must've happened, maybe in connection to his arm loss
peak escarp
possibly
frosty shell
He may have been an outlaw for his past crimes
Still
Though he definitely could've gotten pardoned somehow
peak escarp
I like the idea that since the fall of Overwatch, he's been going around trying to stop crimes and right wrongs, but in a sort of "comedy of errors" sort of way, he always somehow gets blamed for whatever crime was committed
placid fulcrum
not impossible
peak escarp
I don't think he'd be so hesitant to tell the story if that were the case
frosty shell
Maybe
placid fulcrum
unless they asked him what led to his needing to cut his arm off in the first place
and it's something he doens't want to share
frosty shell
That could be why I suppose
The new arm would've helped him shoot probably too (once he figured out how to use it)
peak escarp
before Reunion came out, a lot of people guessed that he lost it when the Deadlock gang found him again and chopped off the arm that had the gang's tattoo on it
frosty shell
A line I'd like to hear in OW2 is Mei asking Winston why Overwatch didn't rescue her team
peak escarp
Ana at least doesn't blame Overwatch for not coming for her
placid fulcrum
wait, but was mei's team a aprt of voerwatch, or unrelated?
peak escarp
she didn't want to be found
peak escarp
Mei's team was an Overwatch research team
frosty shell
Hence why she got the recall
placid fulcrum
when did the storm happen?
maybe it was around the same time when overwatch was dissolved, so it wasn't that they abandoned them, but they simply didn't exist anymore
peak escarp
Mei's team went into cryostasis in the middle of a massive arctic storm, which probably lasted so long that by the time it ended, Overwatch was too busy with all the chaos of its last few years that it didn't have anyone to spare to investigate a research team that was probably already dead
frosty shell
That was 9 years before recall
peak escarp
it happened the year before Retribution
frosty shell
Even with crazy weather though, I doubt the storm would last a whole year
placid fulcrum
hm... then it is pretty mean of them to never investigate
frosty shell
Maybe Retribution happened the month the rescue mission was supposed to happen?
And the fallout meant that the rescue mission was cancelled
placid fulcrum
they didn't spare even a moment of time for 3 years? a poor excuse
mei would have a right to be pissed at that
peak escarp
it would take more than a moment to investigate
if they radioed and didn't get a response, I don't know if they would bother sending a search team
placid fulcrum
presumably they knew the crew had cryostasis chambers
peak escarp
cryostasis chambers that were designed for short term use
placid fulcrum
depends how short is "short-term"
mei even asks why did no one come for them eaelier in her short
frosty shell
Yes she does
peak escarp
then she sees all the news reports
and understands that Overwatch couldn't come rescue her because they couldn't
frosty shell
It's definitely not unreasonable for them to not think "they'll be able to survive since they have those cryo chambers" given that it's entirely possible no one's ever used them
placid fulcrum
because they got dissolved
still doens't explain how come they didn't search for them for 3 years
peak escarp
Retribution, Uprising, Storm Rising, and all the other missions we don't know about
placid fulcrum
oh please, it's a huge organization
they can afford to send one agent
and reyes did send mccree for ana
frosty shell
One agent wouldn't do much
placid fulcrum
that didn't stop him
placid fulcrum
imagine people making up the same exucses in real life. any time a tourist gets lost, there are search parties, but when multiple agents get lost, suddenly nobody hasd time for them
peak escarp
the base was declared lost at some point
they couldn't reach anyone, and it was too difficult to get people out there to check on them
frosty shell
It's likely that after no activity for months, it would've seemed hopeless
placid fulcrum
I can still see reaper's point. it's not the only time overwatch gave up on searching for someone
frosty shell
And as I mentioned earlier, it's not unlikely that they woudn't've accounted for the cryo chambers
peak escarp
there's a difference between keeping up the search for someone who might be alive, and abandoning a search for people you're certain are dead
frosty shell
Ana had a greater chance of being alive to the outside world
placid fulcrum
let's agree to disagree then
but if things were that simple, how come reyes and so many other blackwatch memebrs rebelled?
they must've had a reason
frosty shell
We don't know
placid fulcrum
reaper literally tells it to ana though - they left you to die, they left me to suffer
so we do know his motivation at least
also, notice that echo was on the train that carried weapons. she was literally an object, a weapon
frosty shell
She was
I imagine that if Omnics aren't serving a use they can be put into storage
Or at least Omnics/robots designed for one particular function
placid fulcrum
it's no wonder they're fighting
they were given human minds, but not human rights
peak escarp
yep
frosty shell
Though I imagine that usually they have to consent to being put into storage
peak escarp
when we get Echo, we'll find out
frosty shell
Exactly
peak escarp
on a related note, I think the reason Echo was on that train being relocated along with other Overwatch gear and weapons was because of Soldier's raids on Overwatch facilities
which would prompt the government to relocate things
frosty shell
I'm on board with that theory
peak escarp
This event comes after a week during which multiple former Overwatch bases were targeted. In each case, the intruder stole experimental weaponry and other military equipment from the facilities.
also McCree 100% cleared out that diner well before the train arrived to prevent any bystanders from getting caught in the crossfire
and you can't convince me otherwise
(he probably didn't need to do much - just showing up would be enough to make people run for the hills)
valid terrace
It’s also a deadlock gang hangout, isn’t it?
Maybe they were notified by the gang
placid fulcrum
I have to say soldier is far more interesting as a grumpy old man than he was as a young commander. he was bland like a week old cereal then
timid eagle
@placid fulcrum That was sort of the point of his character. He was a "By-Golly Be Gosh" farm boy in his younger days, but as the responsibility of being the commander of Overwatch (among other things) had caused him to become weary and overtly cynical.
placid fulcrum
the younger days in this case would be 6 years ago
I don't like strike commander morrison
sitting in his chair, sighing over how hard it is to be a leader
he's more interesting now, after he's lsot everything
grand wedge
Younger days 6 years ago when he was in is late 40 -early 50? That's not early days - it's more at the Crisis ended and how Overwatch was created. We know nothing about him back then - just that he help the Stike team to put their differences aside to work together to end the crisis.<
placid fulcrum
I know, just wanted to clarify
I find him boring as the commander, I like him more as soldier
lost quest
His original skin is significantly more interesting than his strike commander Morrison skin.
limpid agate
I think what you thibk of as boring was intentional
The commander was bogged down by politics, reports, and being the face of the organization that was recognized for both failure and success
Which made some view Overwatch as incompetent, such as Reyes.
Dancing around boring politics and a desk job isn't his style.
The current Soldier is a revenge seeking missile that doesn't care about politics or consequences anymore.
placid fulcrum
then I intentionally dislike old!him
fresh tundra
Of course he became more interesting after he lost his idealism
The vigilante life suits him, of course people prefer the hardened warrior as opposed to the virtual bureaucrat
golden parrot
but he is also interesting before with his idealism I feel like
fresh tundra
I agree with you
golden parrot
altho we dont know much about him at that point yet
fresh tundra
I still find him an interesting character throughout even if he is a walking trope
But I get why people prefer him as Soldier
golden parrot
would love to see more story of him back in his "glory days"
fresh tundra
So would I
golden parrot
but yeah, I would understand why people would like him as a soldier and not a leader
grand wedge
Omnic Crisis young soldiers lore please (All of them!)
reef dagger
Kinda crazy to think the guy called 'Doomfist' became one of the most prominent characters in the lore
placid fulcrum
better than Taserface at least 😂
peak escarp
what's wrong with "Doomfist"? I think it's an intimidating name
white panther
I think it suits the character
fringe blade
I always thought that most pseudo names in the Overwatch galaxy were pretty clever
white panther
Yes
fringe blade
And gave a clear outline of the character and their traits and all that
lament prawn
and keep in mind "doomfist" was supposed to be a label on a gauntlet, never meant to be a hero until the fans kept asking
but yeah i dont see a problem with it either
fringe blade
Most characters in the game don't even go by their name
I'm willing to bet most people uninterested in lore don't know half the characters' names
golden parrot
well
I just think doomfist is too kid like
and does it not fit him that well
I just feel its out of place compared to the rest of names tbh
fringe blade
Really?
Stands out from names like Reaper?
Half the names in Overwatch can be considered 'kid-like'
Doesn't make them any less fitting
golden parrot
doomfist only tells us of the glove, not the person while reaper tells us about the person
opaque tundra
A name that doesn't sound serious or mature
Basically a name that a 5 year old could make up and think that it's cool
Doomfist sounds like a marvel villain
shell jay
^
fringe blade
Again, the same logic can be used to half the Overwatch characters
shell jay
'Wrecking Ball' sounds kinda childish
opaque tundra
Wrecking Ball is pretty on the nose
shell jay
Is that childish?
fringe blade
The list goes on and on
opaque tundra
Tracer is cool
fringe blade
Your logic of 'Marvel' villain can be used to most names
shell jay
I mean most characters names are their actual names
opaque tundra
Yeah
opaque tundra
Torb
shell jay
Reinhardt
opaque tundra
Zenny boi
shell jay
What about Widowmaker
opaque tundra
That's pretty self-explanatory
shell jay
Is that childish
fringe blade
Again, your logic of Marvel villains can be used for that too
opaque tundra
She made herself a widow so..
fringe blade
Widowmaker is really clever though, I actually really like her name
opaque tundra
Yeah
fringe blade
I think your idea of childness is not very fair
Most names can be considered childish
opaque tundra
Sombra means shadow
Which relates to her in the shadows and what not
It also means shade but same thing
shell jay
But it's in a different language
opaque tundra
I think the names are decent
fringe blade
I don't understand the point of this whole 'What about...'
What are you trying to prove
opaque tundra
I'm trying to prove absolutely nothing
Also did you know there's a racing horse named Zenyatta
fringe blade
They really are
But that's not the point here
It doesn't matter if a name is childish
It matters if it fits into the game and if it fits the character
opaque tundra
So how are omnics named?
Do they name themselves or are they named by the manufacturer/omnium
fringe blade
They probably name themselves
opaque tundra
That explains Barz's name
fringe blade
It would take a lot of effort for a manufacturer to name every omnic
fringe blade
They could, but its not as efficient as just giving them a serial code etc.
opaque tundra
"Spin the wheel of names and see what you get"
golden parrot
@opaque tundra zenyatta makes sense bec he believe in zen kinda stuff and religion?
dont know much for relegion tbh
@RFPetals zenyatta makes sense bec he believe in zen kinda stuff and religion?
dont know much for relegion tbh
@opaque tundra
opaque tundra
I'm here hi
opaque tundra
Bastions all have the same name so
golden parrot
pretty sure they have codes
fringe blade
Where did you get this info from ?
opaque tundra
Yes
golden parrot
remember seeing it somewhere but cant remember where
fringe blade
I don't see why that would be the case
golden parrot
he units at the Eichenwalde map are labeled B73he units at the Eichenwalde map are labeled B73
ops
see?
they would have unit names
fringe blade
A Bastion is a type of omnic
golden parrot
yeah ik that
fringe blade
But they do have labels
I think that they have labels not because all omnics do, but because they are war machines
golden parrot
the labels were their names, since they were mass produced killers
fringe blade
But I would imagine omnics name themselves
peak escarp
the bastion we know is an E54 model
golden parrot
but for the known ones, they are named, believe 1 is told in comic and one was a short
for the mass killers
well 1 of them
golden parrot
pretty sure torb gave that name to him
fringe blade
No
peak escarp
Bastion is what everyone calls it
fringe blade
Its just its universal name
Even in the Bastion comic, 2 kids see the bastion and freak out, yelling 'Bastion! Bastion!"
golden parrot
ah
peak escarp
fringe blade
^^
peak escarp
fringe blade
Orisa is just a play on words by the devs AFAIK
Does anyone actually call her Orisa in lore?
golden parrot
thx 😛
peak escarp
Efi does
in her origin story
"Every hero needs a real name. How about . . . Orisa?"
peak escarp
followed by Orisa herself saying "I am Orisa"
fringe blade
I'm not sure if that's even his name or not though
peak escarp
that's what Ashe calls him
fringe blade
Feels more like a nickname
peak escarp
either way
golden parrot
so only 1 has been named by human huh
we are not sure about the rest of them
how they were named
fringe blade
TIL that Zenyatta actually has a first name
golden parrot
yeah
golden parrot
Tekhartha Tekhartha
peak escarp
Tekhartha is a title - Mondatta had the same title
golden parrot
why does it double when I copy lol
golden parrot
could be a first name
opaque tundra
Omnics probably aren't made with last names
opaque tundra
It would make sense if they gain one when they get married
golden parrot
and honor
opaque tundra
Omnics can get married right?
peak escarp
golden parrot
we have 3 ingame and like 6 out of game
peak escarp
I want a bad guy omnic
golden parrot
bob?
golden parrot
bob is not a bad guy omnic?
opaque tundra
The omnic at the end of Storm Rising might be an antagonist
golden parrot
he is still a ingame thing
opaque tundra
I think 17 is part of Lynx's name
golden parrot
these are the omnics we know of
Bars
Bastion [15]
B.O.B.
Lynx Seventeen
Maximilien
Okoro
Orisa[16]
Tekhartha Mondatta
Tekhartha Zenyatta
fringe blade
I mean, the Unnamed Omnic is probably going to be in-game in the future
peak escarp
Okoro and Mondatta are dead, so they're out
golden parrot
he will be the bad Maximilien most likely
fringe blade
wdym
peak escarp
Max isn't likely to be playable since he isn't a fighter
fringe blade
^
golden parrot
we are not sure if bars is dead or not
peak escarp
Bars is fine
golden parrot
I can really see them adding Maximilien tho
opaque tundra
If Bars took a shot to the head he probably would be dead
peak escarp
McCree had them all tied up at the end
peak escarp
not sure he would bother if they were dead
golden parrot
he is the big bad omnic on the baddy side
fringe blade
Not really
peak escarp
Max is just the money man
golden parrot
how is it not really?
peak escarp
and the OW2 trailer tells us he's going to chicken out
peak escarp
he says "I can't do this"
golden parrot
been a while since I have seen it tbh
opaque tundra
And Doomfist says something like Max made his choice or something
fringe blade
Like I said, its likely that the next baddy omnic is going to be the Untitled Omnic
peak escarp
I'm on the bus so I can't find the clip
golden parrot
something could force max to change his pick but ok
fringe blade
Can you explain to me
What would he bring
to the game
or to the story in general
He's already played his part, done his lore function
golden parrot
seemed like him and doomfist had history
peak escarp
he doesn't need to be playable
fringe blade
^
fringe blade
I can't
peak escarp
it does seem like he'll be active in the lore though
opaque tundra
golden parrot
he has a lot of history and I could see him maybe being a middle man
fringe blade
AND, like Doc said, he doesn't have to be playable
golden parrot
also money
opaque tundra
Yes money
fringe blade
He was Talon's money man
opaque tundra
I theorize that Doomfist wants Max to invest in some weapon or omnic that could be a huge turning point in the story
golden parrot
no
I dont think so
bec in the ow2 thing
he also says it does not matter if you help us or not
we will still win
pretty much is what he says
peak escarp
I think Max is having second thoughts about going to war with Null Sector
opaque tundra
^
peak escarp
Max probably doesn't want war - it would damage his bottom line
he might even have friends among the humans
opaque tundra
Max's motivation in everything is money
golden parrot
naw
fringe blade
I don't really see why Talon would go to war with Null Sector though
golden parrot
or he would not be supporting talon
peak escarp
extortion and money laundering is fine, but war? genocide? that's going too far
golden parrot
well
if he did not want war he would have never supported talon
bec they want war
opaque tundra
I really wanna see Talon's big boi HQ
peak escarp
before Doomfist came back, Talon just wanted to make money and gain power
peak escarp
maybe that's why Max sold Doomfist out in the first place - to stop the war he knew Doomfist was trying to start
peak escarp
Storm Rising
he squealed on Doomfist's location, allowing Overwatch to go arrest him
opaque tundra
That might be revealed in OW 2
peak escarp
that's what I'm thinking
fringe blade
I would imagine it would be nice when powerful people such as the members of Overwatch owe you
golden parrot
maybe alllowing for him to sell weapons to ow
fringe blade
He's a spider in the middle of a social web
golden parrot
thus doing double dealings
fringe blade
And having Overwatch owe him is something that he would sure not mind
fringe blade
I can see why Talon would side with Null Sector
Null Sector is a large, rather powerful net of Omnics and factories throughout the UK
peak escarp
Doomfist was setting up this war with Null Sector 6 years ago before he was arrested
while he was in prison, their plans were put on hold
fringe blade
Teaming up with them is surely advantageous
peak escarp
but now that he's out . . .
golden parrot
Maximilien met with Doomfist and Widowmaker at a casino in Monaco shortly after Doomfist's prison break. There he apprised Doomfist of goings-on within Talon, reaffirming his loyalty to Doomfist's cause and warning him that some within the organization would have preferred to see him remain behind bars. After defeating a group of hitmen sent by Vialli, a rival Talon council member, Doomfist asked Maximilien to clean up the mess and departed.
Maximilien later met with Doomfist, Reaper, and other members of the inner council in a hidden boardroom at a masquerade ball in Venice, Italy, where Doomfist discussed his plans to start a new war.[9]
here is the part after he gets out of jail
fringe blade
How do we know it was a war against Null Sector though
golden parrot
huh interesting
During the casino scene of Masquerade and during the Storm Rising Archives event, Maximilien is shown wearing a golden pin in the shape of the symbol for the livre tournois (₶),[10] an out-of-circulation currency formerly used in France. The livre tournois was the primary monetary unit in France from the 17th century until the franc was established in 1799 to reflect political changes that occurred in the country during the French Revolution.[11]
did not know about that
thats very interesting
peak escarp
opaque tundra
Cool I didn't know that
golden parrot
that kinda changes my idea on him a bit
placid fulcrum
unrelated, but after rewatching the trailer I noticed that Route 66 was specifically one of the locations of the attacks
so Ashe will be important in OW2!
peak escarp
that was a hero mission, not a story mission
placid fulcrum
aw...
welp, but then at least we will have more lore with her and mccree?
assuming the hero mission is his
btw, are hero missions set in the present or past?
peak escarp
hero missions are just missions to complete an objective
kill X enemies, survive X minutes, etc.
they're not canon
placid fulcrum
they could still contain lore though
the in-game missions aren't canon, but there's still lore when some of the characters make comments on specific maps
plus, the devs comapred them to WoW's world quests, which are literally regular zone quests, except repeatable
peak escarp
the voice lines aren't necessarily canon either
placid fulcrum
mccree and reaper comment on route 66, reaper comments on oasis, etc.
peak escarp
they are a "what if" sort of thing
placid fulcrum
it still reveals something about the characters
peak escarp
yes
fringe blade
The Deadlock Gang lore missions would be really dope
placid fulcrum
as long as the goal isn't to kill them all, lmao
would be strange to kill them as ashe
peak escarp
hero missions were compared to Adventure mode in Diablo
repeatable missions with objectives that had no impact on the story
solid beacon
tracer is gay
peak escarp
yes, and?
placid fulcrum
but we already have repeatable PVE missions with no impact to the story
there's AI training, and you can create a custom mission in the game browser
in what way are hero missions going to differ?
peak escarp
they will have different objectives
instead of the core game objectives like Assault, Control, Escort
placid fulcrum
then perhaps the objectives will have lore significance
peak escarp
objectives will be "kill x enemies", "survive x minutes", etc.
placid fulcrum
eh, ok
disappointed, but hoping the story mode will have enough lore to be worth the price
lament prawn
the avg length of a story mode you'd typically find in other games
peak escarp
plus there's the potential for extra story missions released afterward that cover other stories outside the main story
as DLC or events or whatever
placid fulcrum
I feel scared of hyping myself up too much for this
we don't even have a date yet. I'm going to spend the rest of the year in hype
lament prawn
"outside the main story" huh, i always assumed there'd be a set number of missions on release then get more added afterwards regularly, and that they'd blend into the same story mode, not that there'd be a "main story" that comes out on release and then "dlc stories"
peak escarp
I just keep looking forward to the next release
placid fulcrum
it's blizzard
they won't let you pay jsut once
they'll keep releasing new content
peak escarp
every time I get that twitter notification at 11am, I get excited . . . and then I'm disappointed when it's just a skin teaser
placid fulcrum
not that it's bad, mind you
lament prawn
how many times have you paid for OW, not including cosmetic lootboxes
peak escarp
we don't know if they'll continue that for OW2, but I hope so
lament prawn
because its not an update
peak escarp
at least for heroes and maps
lament prawn
the free events we got we should be happy about, and they were much smaller scale than OW2
peak escarp
new missions I could see going either way, either free like everything else, or part of a pass
placid fulcrum
they said that all pvp content will be free for people who already own overwatch. so ow2 is really just the story mode
peak escarp
yes
you only need to buy OW2 if
a) you have OW and want the story content
b) you don't own OW
placid fulcrum
hence why I hope that it's big. and not in the terms of the number of hours you'll spend grinding for the objective, but quality story content
peak escarp
if you have OW but don't care about the story content, there's no need to buy OW2
placid fulcrum
pity it will probably not come out this year. and even if it does, it will be the end of the year
a long, long wait
lament prawn
i know ill be happy with the story itself, im just hoping for new gameplay mechanics and juicy cinematics
peak escarp
it will pass faster than you think
and there will be things along the way
lore updates, short stories
the Orisa novel
lament prawn
i imagine it'll be much harder to maintain OW2 over time than the current game. here, we have heroes, maps, events and the rest is tweaking numbers to shift the meta. OW2 story missions are a completely different deal and im interested to see how frequent they'll be (considering how long even the archives missions take to make)
peak escarp
and since they're not following the same update schedule as before, there's the added fun of not knowing when to expect things
so it'll be a surprise
limpid agate
I'd argue its easier with the right monetary model
You can dedicate an entire seperate team to it
placid fulcrum
my only worry is that they will be too busy with the game to work on this extra stuff
peak escarp
don't think of it as extra stuff
it's as much a part of the game as new heroes or maps
limpid agate
Again
Depending on the monetary model
You can dedicate an entire seperate team to it
placid fulcrum
yes, but we already know that there will be no new heroes until ow2
limpid agate
That is objectively wrong.
placid fulcrum
and no new archives missions
limpid agate
We were literally told that we will be getting at least 1 more hero before Overwatch 2.
placid fulcrum
did they announce that there will be new heroes?
oh
that's great
probably a talon operative, because at this point there's more overwatch characters than talon characters
peak escarp
Jeff said at least 1 more hero
limpid agate
The most likely candidate at this moment is Echo.
peak escarp
he also said we'd learn more about Echo in the months leading up to OW2
lament prawn
the devs are fully aware that there's a completely different side to the community, there was a quote in an article where they said something like "there are people who say 'i like mercy' or 'i like tracer' but i dont play the game because its too competitive' and OW2 is designed to be their main game" and judging by the last part i imagine it wont be the type of game where you finish the missions then drop it
peak escarp
yes
placid fulcrum
correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought echo and soujorn were confirmed to debut with ow2
peak escarp
they intend for the hero missions to be replayable
lament prawn
only sojourn
peak escarp
Sojourn is confirmed for OW2
along with ~5 more heroes whose silhouettes were seen by the press
lament prawn
man you'll be able to run an entire comp of new heroes
thats basically a completely different experience
placid fulcrum
is there a photo of this silhuette?
peak escarp
nope
placid fulcrum
damn
peak escarp
it wasn't published
lament prawn
they were described in an article though
peak escarp
it was just shown in an internal press presentation
lament prawn
im hyped for whoever has the fennec fox as a companion
peak escarp
the one they described the most was a female silhouette with a giant shuriken-type weapon and what appeared to be a fox-like animal companion
fringe blade
Seems that it was only seen by that one guy
Don't know how much I believe it, but if its true, then that would be pretty cool
golden parrot
hmmm, wonder how the game will work after ow2 when they introduce new heros
weak granite
Daily reminder that Michael Chu is a horrible writer and we should fear is contribution to Overwatch
peak escarp
no
he is a decent writer
people just hate him because he won't validate their ships
weak granite
Decent lmao he wrote the WoW expacs with weak plots and forms sentences like a 12yr old Fanfiction writer
He can't prose for sht
peak escarp
his comic writing is good
opaque tundra
A person's prose doesn't have to be amazing
What matters is the story itself
You can have amazing prose but weak story
I mean, some lead writers don't really answer questions
peak escarp
and even if he is a bad writer, there's no reason we should "fear his contributions"
his "contributions" are the entirety of the OW lore
shell jay
In OW2 Null Sector attacks Rio de Janeiro, that's Lucios hole but also where Vishkar is set up, I believe Symmetra is there, so will she possibly show up in that mission?
peak escarp
Vishkar was there
we don't know if they're still there
Lucio's bio said he forced them out
Lúcio wouldn't stand for it. He stole Vishkar sonic technology that had been used to suppress the people, and he converted it into a tool to rally them to action. In a popular uprising, they drove Vishkar out of their neighborhoods.
shell jay
But in Symmetra's comic they're still there
peak escarp
Symmetra's comic isn't set at the same time as the Rio mission
it's probably a few months before
shell jay
hm
peak escarp
also that's at Rio's city center, not Lucio's neighbourhoods
placid fulcrum
oh, wow. I looked at his history with wow and both expacs criticized for the story were written by him. that's unfortunate, but let's remember that the writer of chernobyl made some very bad comedies before that, so let's not lose hope in Micheal Chu just yet
peak escarp
how long ago were those written?
placid fulcrum
warlords in 2014, bc 2007
peak escarp
that's the thing about writing, the more you do it the better you get
placid fulcrum
yeah, and it's not like the story for wow improved after he left (looks pointedly at BfA)
placid fulcrum
it's listed under his name in gamepedia
limpid agate
He worked on the game
He wasn't the writer
He was a game designer
In both expansions
placid fulcrum
is he the write or game designer of overwatch?
limpid agate
Writer
placid fulcrum
has he written anything before?
limpid agate
For Diablo
placid fulcrum
how was it received?
limpid agate
Relatively good.
IIRC, he made Li Ming
Who is the most popular protagonist character.
Nephelim or whatever
The lead writer of WoD was Micky Nielson.
placid fulcrum
so he's good at character design, that much is clear
placid fulcrum
but there's another game I love that had great character design and I thought the story was good, mostly because it had a lot of holes that I filled with my own headcanons and was under the wrong imporession that they were canon, but then the same devs released another game and it sucked and had as many holes as the first one, even more in fact, and I realized that character design is pretty much the only thing they're good at.
I hope this won't be the case with overwatch. too early to judge
limpid agate
What game
placid fulcrum
bendy and the ink machine
limpid agate
Nevermind
placid fulcrum
the thing that makes me worried isn't the writer, but that cancelled novel which was supposed to explain the events leading up to the current time, but it was cancelled and the reason provided was that it's not as a good as the imagination of fans. that doesn't sound very promising
peak escarp
that wasn't the only reason
it was also because they decided to take the lore in a different direction
placid fulcrum
because that's exactly the same thing that happened with BATIM. fans thought it was deep, because there were many events which were only hinted. and then it became obvious that not even the writers themselves have a good idea of how these events transpired. the story was essentially smoke and mirrors.
whichever directions they decide to take lore in, I hope they have a good idea of what actually caused the swiss incident. it's a defining moment for so many characters' motivation and personality
and then there's wow, another game whose lore I used to love, and the recent expansion sucks. so sorry to be such a debbie downer, but after being let down twice, I can't help but worry. guess I won't know until OW2 is released and we can all judge for ourselves.
peak escarp
that list doesn't take into account any heroes who are dead or unlikely to become heroes due to other reasons
stuck peak
ye
peak escarp
it just lists people who have names, voices and character models
stuck peak
like dr winston
peak escarp
Antonio, Dr. Winston, etc.
the characters most likely to be added as heroes are Echo, Mauga and Sojourn, who are all confirmed to be coming as heroes at some point
placid fulcrum
some of the choices on this list are weird
especially with how they're ranked
dead talon guy almost at the top?
you can tell which character might be considered as playable from their design alone. playable characters all have interesting and unique designs, most other characters just look like regular people
peak escarp
also they list Jetpack Cat and Mama Hong, who are never going to be heroes
placid fulcrum
judging by the design, the junkerqueen actually does have a chance at becoming playable
from what little of her we've seen, she stands out
peak escarp
they have "big plans" for Junkerqueen, which means she might be a hero, or she might be a boss/enemy in OW2
placid fulcrum
and the game informer guy said that 3 female characters are planned
aw, would be sad to have to kill her, though understandable
she's nto a fan of junkrat and roadhog
peak escarp
you might not have to kill her - she could just get an escape cutscene when she's defeated
placid fulcrum
either way, will be nice to see more of her. just have to wonder how she could be included.
btw, are there any theories about that huge pile of gold and valuables in one of junkertown buildings?
peak escarp
isn't that the Junkerqueen's treasure hoard?
placid fulcrum
do you think the place junkrat hid his treasure could be somewhere on the map?
peak escarp
not anywhere players can get to
worthy rose
probably not
The only thing we know about it is that it's too big for junkrat to carry
placid fulcrum
not necessarily
junkrat has granades all over his body, like he's a walking talking booby trap
what could be a safer place for something valuable and small?
worthy rose
Didn't Hanzo say "Where is it? It's too big to be carried on your person"
or something similar to that
peak escarp
He came to notoriety when he discovered an extremely valuable secret in the bones of the omnium. Though few knew the nature of what he found, he was nonetheless pursued by bounty hunters, gangs, and opportunists wherever he went, until he made a deal with the Junker enforcer Roadhog, who grudgingly agreed to be his personal bodyguard in exchange for a fifty-fifty share of the spoils.
his bio calls it a "secret"
placid fulcrum
hanzo says: "Hanzo: Where did you hide your treasure? You could hardly have it on your person!"
peak escarp
Hanzo assumes it's a physical treasure
placid fulcrum
"in the bones of the omnium" what secret could be in a palce like this?
peak escarp
the secret could be whatever caused the omniums to wake back up after they were shut down
placid fulcrum
these used to be factories that first built the original omnics
maybe that's what he discovered - the secret to create AI
or a shutdown button that will instantly destroy all omnics worldwide
but then he'd probably use it, unless he's not fully aware of what he's found
peak escarp
he probably doesn't understand what it is, only that people want it
shell jay
I'm pretty sure in Lijang Control Center theres a desk that got changed in a patch like a year ago where the normal chair was changed to a wheelchair and a picture was added on the desk of Dr. Harold and Winston, do you think Dr. Winston could be alive?
shell jay
Oh
peak escarp
shell jay
Damn you're just like the lore master aren't you?
peak escarp
it's my thing
shell jay
Whenever I have a question you automatically know the answer
placid fulcrum
I'm amazed they added these little details
makes me wonder how many other things are there, that we never noticed, because we were too busy killing each other
peak escarp
Dr. Chao was first mentioned as the Lucheng CEO on the news scroll on Lijiang Towers Night Market
originally, that news scroll just talked about Overwatch agent sightings
you can see "Soldier: 76" there in Chinese right above my gun
placid fulcrum
what does the rest of it say?
peak escarp
Soldier: 76 spotted in Dorado, Mei visits the Himalayas, and Tracer and Winston seen in action.
in April 2018, with patch 1.22, it was changed to talk about the Lucheng CEO, who was a former Horizon scientist
it also mentions Lucheng starting new Aerospace projects and trying to re-establish contact with Horizon Lunar Colony
placid fulcrum
where are you getting this info?
placid fulcrum
oh, you speka chinese, or did you type it all into google translate?
peak escarp
google translate, but I had it verified by some native speakers
placid fulcrum
awesome, thanks!
peak escarp
another fun thing about Lijiang Towers
on Control Center, there's a hologram of a space station hanging above the objective
it has error messages on it
and in Sigma's bio:
Believing that he was close to achieving his goal, he performed his most important experiment on an international space station.
it's likely that this space station is the same one that Sigma performed his experiment on
placid fulcrum
interesting
damn, you thought a lot about the lore for this game, didn't you? I'm impressed
peak escarp
I have a boring job, so there's lots of time to think about the lore
plus the people here have good conversations
they come up with good theories
usually
shell jay
@peak escarp you're silver portrait, I thought you said you dont play that much
shell jay
What rank r u?
celest fulcrum
placid fulcrum
Bob seems like the safest one irl
Since some of the hero abilities would destroy the world if they were real
placid fulcrum
Only if you don't get deep into the physics of teleportation and invisibility
Game theorists did a video on Tracer's powers, which irl would basically melt her down into a puddle
iron plume
Y’all sleeping on the caduceus staff
what do you need a bob for, how often do you shoot people
marble wigeon
plucky idol
a big robot butler
placid fulcrum
Pretty much, yeah. I want a robot butler. He'd do everything for me, and I wouldn't need to pay him.
iron plume
well hey if a free butler is the pinnacle of your imagination then go wild
plucky idol
I mean who wouldn't
placid fulcrum
My imagination can handle a 2-directional time travel, but if I can't have that, I'll settle for a robot butler ¯_(ツ)_/¯
plucky idol
it's pretty easy
limpid agate
People forget that Symmetra is just the Indian Green Lantern.
charred obsidian
i join the server and this is the first thing i read
charred obsidian
thank you
placid fulcrum
Now you know what to expect 😂
charred obsidian
lmao
wraith pivot
lament prawn
nah they already confirmed that theory is false
iron plume
i think he's shitposting about the game
but who knows
limpid agate
@sonic flame Serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch.
sonic flame
Ok sorry
peak escarp
in the lore she can hack anything with a computer
dapper shuttle
Sup lore nerds ! Anyone here speaking portuguese fluently?
peak escarp
that's what I mean
anything with a computer in it is hackable by Sombra using just her built-in computer
dapper shuttle
Got some potential Rio lore, need help translating something
dapper shuttle
Well thanks but it's not just a word, it's a song with cultural references so i need a native speaker
dapper shuttle
nvm
shell jay
ty
placid fulcrum
Why does Torb have a Deadlock skin? Seems strangely random
peak escarp
it's not canon
I think it's because he's got a beard, and bikers typically have beards?
placid fulcrum
Makes sense, I guess
peak escarp
not all of the skins make sense
alpine jackal
cough prophet sigma cough
or any of reinhardts skins other than balderichs
legendaries i mean
placid fulcrum
That weird creepy bug for lucio
That deadlock skin bothers me only because the deadlock gang is a thing in the lore. It would be like giving soldier a talon skin for no reason.
iron plume
Dva has a Junker skin
minor factions are more stylized, so you can do this kind of thing
placid fulcrum
It's like some weird AU 😂
worthy rose
Yes that's a good idea, they should make AU skins
I'd love to see an AU of Reyes and Morrison having their roles changed
shell jay
@placid fulcrum what lucio bug were you talking about?
placid fulcrum
He has that one skin where he looks like something between a robot and a bug. With these buldging round eyes with no pupils.
Hippityhop, that's what it's called
prime dome
Homie that's a frog
frosty shell
lament prawn
noble field
i said jk for a reason
we all know how annoyingly strict people are about keeping thing on topic in this chat
anyway
What do we predict will happen with Pharah in OW2?
Im extremely interested in her story.
limpid agate
!!shitposting @noble field
twilit nacelleBOT
@noble field Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
limpid agate
On the topic of Pharah
Whether or not she will appear I feel depends entirely on whether or not Helix becomes an enemy faction
peak escarp
she could stick with Helix and be an enemy of Overwatch, or ditch Helix and join Overwatch
I think the first option is more interesting imo
noble field
lmao thanks for proving my point.
But yes i agree with Doc
Either one of those would be interesting writing.
get Jack and Ana involved in that portion
iron plume
I'm betting it'll be a "fight against OW once, realize what they're doing" kind of deal
lament prawn
enemy of Overwatch
noble field
Does Winstons Overwatch even know where pharah is or whats shes doing?
lament prawn
isnt she like #1 OW fangirl
noble field
well yeah
but im asking if like Tracer or Winston knows that shes a fangirl.
i know probs Ana, Jack, maybe the former Overwatch members do
lament prawn
i doubt they know her personally
noble field
yeah i figured
peak escarp
she was Overwatch's #1 fangirl, but she's also dedicated to her job and has an obligation to Helix
lament prawn
she never got into OW cause guess who was captain
noble field
???
Oh man
If Helix become full fledged enemies of OW
exhales
isnt Helix international?
not just Egypt?
peak escarp
its implied that Ana prevented Pharah from joining Overwatch, despite being more than qualified
yes
Helix Security International is the full name of the company
they were in charge of Doomfist's prison too
wherever that was
noble field
Speaking of Doomfist
I feel as if it would be silly if they just imprisoned him again after OW defeats him in OW2 (or IF).
noble field
Oh what??
limpid agate
!!loreText
twilit nacelleBOT
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Experimental Weapon Stolen: http://bit.ly/2fMrKsj
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Oslo Attack: https://bit.ly/2uHKXUr
Don Rumbotico: https://bit.ly/2VtzZKX
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limpid agate
Experimental Weapon Stolen
noble field
He stole shit from Helix?
noble field
Ooooooh man.
Aight so i really want to know Soldiers deal in OW2 now
from some reason that got me hyped
peak escarp
he's probably still with Ana, hunting down Talon/Reaper
trying to find the truth behind what happened at the Swiss base
noble field
Is he intending to kill Reaper? or just talk sense into him?
limpid agate
Kill
worthy rose
He's invited to try
noble field
If there ever going to be full fledged death in OW2. If it were Reaper, i feel that they would pull a Star Wars on us and make him a good guy for the last like 2 mins before he sacrifices himself somehow
or something
idk he immortal tho
peak escarp
there's probably some way to kill him, or at least contain him