his prose isn't great, but he writes good comics/visual story
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
noble field
oh HAHA i gotchya
peak escarp
some people accuse him of using Genji as his self-insert, but that's probably the racism talking
noble field
dafuq?
I thought Moira was his self interest.
But at the end of the day. Hes the lead writer. So he can do what he wants. I suppose
worthy rose
So like the thing about chu is; He's like the jeff of the lore department, when there's a drought or something ppl don't like; they will point to him and say fix it even if it's an entire team
Also his initial writing for bastet wasn't very good but has improved by other writers
Also he has a tendency to post ramen pictures or vacation pictures or travel pictures and people want lore so it makes it appear as if he's not working
peak escarp
he isn't obligated to post lore on his personal Twitter
noble field
So hes not allowed to post stuff about is own personal life on is own personal twitter??? lul
He'll post lore if theres something big coming up like a comic or Short story. Then He'll talk about the little thing about them for a bit after they happen.
peak escarp
he used to post a lot more
but around last summer he stopped
maybe he got tired of the harrassment
noble field
He shouldnt have to tolerate it. I imagine he just obviously ignores them
especially if its about dumb shit like shipping.
peak escarp
it's a little harder to ignore when some of those involve death threats
clever rivet
^
Chu gets sent death threats or threats to get him relieved of his post after anything lore related comes out (at least in recent memory)
noble field
Oh shit. I never saw death threats.
Imagine threatening to harm someone over two fictional characters.
fresh tundra
People get too invested in the story and don’t like it when it doesn’t go their way.
It’s pretty unfortunate
noble field
Overhyping basically
It's when you want something specific (in which was never promised) to happen.
peak escarp
this is why there are so many complaints of "retcon" or "inconsistency"
the community gets so attached to their headcanons that they forget they're not canon
(or they choose to write their own canon because theirs is "better")
lost current
Hello
fresh tundra
Hi
zenith prawn
Have references to “Kurjikstan” been made outside of Destroyer?
Also, it’s strange because all of the other countries in the OW universe seem to mirror the real world.
rancid ledge
Where is sigma from exactly?
zenith prawn
Isn’t he Dutch?
So he would be from the Netherlands.
Yeah, the wiki says he’s Dutch.
Also lists his former base of operations as The Hague.
rancid ledge
How did talon find him?
peak escarp
we don't know yet
there might have been Talon moles in the facility where he was being kept
limpid agate
@zenith prawn We have not heard of the country outside Destroyer.
worthy rose
do you guys think that talon's manipulated members, sigma and widow, were just killers/insane people underneath that just needed the push from talon? or do you guys think they were completely ordinary people before they were manipulated?
i think this was asked before by me
but i can't remember
peak escarp
they were not "insane" before Talon's interferance
Amelie Lacroix was a ballerina
Siebren de Kuiper was an eccentric astrophysicist
limpid agate
As far as we know
Talon didn't fuck with Sigma's mind
They just helped him harness his power.
peak escarp
I never liked the "oh, they were just a killer waiting to be let out" trope
I would like to know more about Amelie's life before Talon
worthy rose
i want to know more about sigma before blacc hole incident
it seems like he did know mei and dr. winston, according to interactions
peak escarp
Mei?
worthy rose
in one of the interactions he says "dr. zhou", forgot the rest of the interaction
peak escarp
he's familiar with her work, but not friends with her
voice lines don't always represent canon relationships
plenty of heroes have interactions who have never actually met
worthy rose
i know we're probably not gonna hear a lot about ashe concerning OW2 but i really do wanna know more about her and her gang
spark scaffold
I the route 66 map you can find talon weapons in the final area of the map meaning the deadlock gang might have a acquaintance with talon.
fresh tundra
Well, the game has no real canonical connection to the story, right?
errant glen
thats just for the more unbelievable stuff i think some inferences can be made from whats in game
worthy rose
canonical connection is quite hard to tell, but considering that Overwatch 2 will feature story parts more often, I would assume that story might become more canonical in game, but for the current game, not so sure to be fair
fresh tundra
Blizzard has always blurred the lines
I think it’s reasonable to assume that there are some references to the story in the game
But I doubt the validity of most of them being canon
teal meadow
@spark scaffold could easily be the deadlock gang was able to steal some talon's equipment
grand wedge
There are canon things in the maps - but the objectives we play on the map are not the story - even if the maps are based of canon location/background
Like Hollywood : HAL Fred GlitchBot is a famous omnic film director that recieved threats - hence the escort - but none of the heroes are actually ecorting him you know? Thjat's just for the game mode
white panther
^^
fresh tundra
Mhm
limpid agate
@fresh tundra The gameplay is not canon itself, but it suggests canon
For instance
Tracer and Widowmaker will never team up
fresh tundra
Well yeah
There’s references to things that are canon, but like insofar as gameplay and whatnot goes nothing’s canon right?
limpid agate
A lot of the interactions are between heroes who have never met
fresh tundra
Mhm
limpid agate
But they give insight into the character's history, views, and relations
fresh tundra
Right
limpid agate
The gameplay isnt canon
A lot of abilities are, but not all.
For instance, Mercy's rez doesn't bring back the dead.
Its just a heal.
She used it on Mei in Zero Hour
Also, the only healing that is canon at this point is Mercy's biotic tech (and everyone who uses it)
And in an unknown way, Zenyatta's form of healing
limpid agate
But even with that, you can't heal an arrow through Doomfist's skull.
fresh tundra
Thanks for the explanation
limpid agate
That's just gameplay
fresh tundra
Mhm
dusty cairn
we seriously need a zenyatta lore
we know so little
would it be late now to release a lore for a character who came out 4 years ago?
peak escarp
he's going to be featured in OW2
he hasn't been relevant up until now
so there wasn't any need to give him lore
dusty cairn
i mean
they just showed genji returning to him
also thank god he didn't get a redesign
peak escarp
he will
limpid agate
He is getting one
peak escarp
everyone will
limpid agate
Everyone is getting one
dusty cairn
i don't want him to wear a hoodie
limpid agate
He wont
peak escarp
because not all the redesigns are ready yet
dusty cairn
just saying so far he's the same
limpid agate
So
peak escarp
I think Zenyatta might get some different robes or something
limpid agate
Mercy wasn't wearing her redesign in Zero Hour
peak escarp
neither was Brigitte
dusty cairn
true
limpid agate
Torb and Bastion are getting redesigns, but in the gameplay trailer, we didnt see them
dusty cairn
hopefully the design is better since i love his original design already
yeah and that too^
do you like genji's btw?
dusty cairn
sure
he's obviously open to the new world
unlike his brother
but the design itself looks kinda worse (my opinion)
peak escarp
before, Genji didn't wear clothes - he saw his robot body as separate from himself, and it functioned as clothes
peak escarp
now he accepts his body, and as such he covers up his body
limpid agate
He accepts his body as his body
limpid agate
He went around naked before because he didnt think of himself as naked, because he didnt think of the machinery as his body
Now he does
So he wears clothes
dusty cairn
they showed his struggle wether to accept himself as a human or not
peak escarp
yes
dusty cairn
i don't like his bw skin too btw
peak escarp
they've done a good job of showing his path from getting the body and hating it to finding acceptance with himself
dusty cairn
maybe zenyatta returns to his fellow shimbali brothers and he wears like mondatta in his new design
a sari/robe
it will show us if they still accept him as one or not
dusty cairn
but aren't the shimbali on top of the Himalaya mountains?
limpid agate
Yes.
peak escarp
Zen left the Shambali because they disagreed on the method of spreading their message
dusty cairn
so yeah him being in india isn't too far from the Himalaya mountains
peak escarp
Mondatta wanted to stay remote and spread the message with sermons and speeches
Zenyatta wanted to go out and be among people, take the hands-on approach
dusty cairn
yeah
that's pretty much everything we know about him
acctually i have heard a quote about him saying that he wants to rejoin his shimbali brethren that IF they still accept him as one
so he does want to return to them
peak escarp
sounds like he's just concerned that the Shambali won't want him to visit, since he left
he's not wondering if they would take him back
limpid agate
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limpid agate
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The gameplay isn't canon.
peak escarp
we were just discussing the lore when you interrupted
dusty cairn
anywho
i do agree with zenyatta's ways more than the shambali's
but i have nothing ofc agianst mondatta
although he should've used transcendence right before widow shot him
peak escarp
Mondatta?
there's no evidence that suggests he could even do that
Transcendence probably isn't canon
solemn pike
Zen's orbs and transcendence (probably?) aren't canon
devout sable
I feel like the extra hands made up of energy could be canon
and that they might, at least, show up as "echoes" of his movements in an animated short, if he ever gets one
like in this emote
his Dance emote in general basically feels like a sample of how he could move while fighting
strong oxide
just curious if this was a lore fight who would win hanzo or widow asking because of the little interaction they have in spawn didnt really think on it too much until now my money is on hanzo
peak escarp
it depends on the situation
if Widowmaker has a clear shot and Hanzo doesn't know she's there, Widow wins easy
likewise if Hanzo has the drop on her, Hanzo could take her out before she even knows he's there
but if they're both aware of each other and it came down to close combat skills, I think Hanzo might have the advantage
strong oxide
yes but remember widows ult wont harm hanzo hanzo’s will and he can see through walls as well with his arrow
peak escarp
Hanzo's dragons are big and slow though - he'd have to fire them pretty close or else she'd just get out of the way
and if Widow has her infravision, she'd know where he is and be able to dodge it
strong oxide
ye good point
peak escarp
Hanzo has the edge if it isn't a shootout - he probably has better hand-to-hand skills than Widowmaker
strong oxide
yeah prob since hes a ninja and she prob just got sniper training
peak escarp
she does have hand-to-hand training - we see her take out some guards in Alive
but it isn't her specialty
strong oxide
o i forgot about those guards lol i mean it was all about tracer vs widow for me haha but u right
errant flame
if roadhog is 400 lbs, how much food did he eat to be at that weight
did he just go to golden corral and sit there for all three meals or what?
peak escarp
people don't gain that much weight from one meal
errant flame
no but did he do it every day or what?
peak escarp
that's a lifetime of eating combined with genetics and lifestyle
and possibly radiation from the omnium
errant flame
maybe
My own personal theory is that he paid for one meal at golden corral and just stayed there and never left, until overweightwatch came and took him away.
peak escarp
!!shitposting @errant flame
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peak escarp
none of what you said makes sense
errant flame
how does it not make sense?
peak escarp
Roadhog isn't part of Overwatch, they didn't make him do anything
what even is a "golden corral"?
errant flame
I thought he was
my bad
also golden corral is an all you can eat buffet
there is no explanation on his weight
peak escarp
a person can't just sit and eat forever and expand
does there need to be?
there's no explanation about why Reinhardt is tall
peak escarp
he didn't
peak escarp
he didn't "just become" that weight
he was probably a large man all his life
we don't know
peak escarp
so?
there are people in the world heavier than that
heaviest human being ever recorded was a man who weighed 1,400 lbs
400 lbs is nothing
errant flame
yes but that really isn't attributed to genetics
he must have done something to become like that over time
peak escarp
a quick google search tells me that a man weighing 400 lbs isn't uncommon
yes
that's what I'm saying
errant flame
of course
peak escarp
you're suggesting he ate one meal and suddenly gained 400 lbs
errant flame
but what did he do to be that big?
no not at all
I'm just wondering how he did it
peak escarp
what does anyone do to gain weight? not exercise, eat too much, etc.
errant flame
yes
errant flame
but in overwatch they usually have explanations for these types of things
i know
Im just wondering you see
errant flame
Yes
peak escarp
like Reinhardt being tall, Brigitte being a redhead, etc.
peak escarp
no
errant flame
i see
most American's know what golden corral is, its kinda just like a very unhealthy place to eat
peak escarp
true
errant flame
idk, maybe jeff kaplan or micheal chew will explain it one day
hopefully in a comic
peak escarp
I doubt it
errant flame
me 2
limpid agate
Its not something worth explaining
Roadhog is large
He has lots of fat and muscle
dusty cairn
i hope we get Maximilian as a playble hero one day
not with that suit tho
hopefully he has some combat outfit
chilly peak
And I think that this world needs many non-playable characters.
Look, if Blizzard introduces a new person with making them as a hero in mind, then story would suffer. Maximilien is great as a NPC. And I hope that such characters as Junker Queen would end up as an Announcer, choosable replacement for Athena
pliant sparrow
Could be that roadhog has a similar build to what you see in a fairly large amount of weight lifters today
chilly peak
In playable demo of Push mode there's no Athena. Tekarda Mondatta is the Announcer. And I wonder if it tease a new option to change the Announcer at will. It would be a great way to explore many characters that don't fit as a playable Heroes.
lilac gazelle
Hell yeah
pliant sparrow
That's be cool
chilly peak
Athena is neutral. I think new announcers shouldn't just say same stuff but with their voice. They should add stuff that reflects their psrsonality. Imagine Junker Queen as a Announcer:
"Objective A lost. Hmph... pathetic..."
lilac gazelle
Defeat!? YOU CAN DO BETTER!!!
pliant sparrow
The team has been rolled, like stones down a stream
dusty cairn
"the payload is in motion"
"the payload is tranquil"
"your team has achieved transcendence"
chilly peak
I love when Halfred Glitchbot talks in his car and comments what is going on.
And of course Papa Jeff
dusty cairn
yeah
fresh tundra
Mondatta as an announcer would be pretty great if only for the voice
foggy notch
what does sigma say at the very end of his origin story?
dusty cairn
gravity is a harness , i have harnessed the harnsess
after that he says something and it's in reverse
foggy notch
has anyone decodified it?
dusty cairn
decodified?
I'll play the last part in backwards and I'll tell you
it's not hard
he says release me
fresh tundra
iron plume
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dusty cairn
I'm really curious about that omnic shown at the end of storm rising
he looks promising
hopefully they do him right
limpid agate
@chilly peak The difference between Max and the Queen is that the Queen is a former Gladiator. Max is a suit who does not do any fighting himself
dusty cairn
yeah
max doesn't fight
wish he could cause he looks cool
but then we have a similar one at the end of storm rising
i mean genji was handling max like nothing
worthy rose
rose pecan
Max as a hero would have been great, but yeah, he doesnt have an abilities to do so. He is a money and brain guy, therefore can pay himself out. However I would be greatful for more omnic heroes (mysterious guy that doomfist talked to at the end of storm rising)
worthy rose
Hey is there a way to change red and blue thing on a game for console? Because i see that on a lot of other people stuff.
valid terrace
Colorblind options
worthy rose
Forreal?
rose pecan
That is an interesting point though, is there a hero that might have colorblindness as well 👀
valid terrace
Moira has heterochromia and Ana has a fake eye
brisk hinge
what
iron plume
or rather modified
valid terrace
Also Winston or Hammond might not have certain colors I don’t know how their genetics work
brisk hinge
I didn't know that
limpid agate
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Legacy
rose pecan
Yeah true about the animals, moira and ana is canon yeah
reads everything about gorillas and hamsters now
iron plume
heterochromia doesn't have much to do with how one sees
rose pecan
Doesnt reinhardt have a scar over one eye as well that could relate to issues with his eye?
iron plume
there's a lot of damaged eyes in Overwatch
rose pecan
for being such an important body part, they really dont care much about their eyes it seems XD
iron plume
If you want a hero with cybernetic eyes, you've got Sojourn to look forward to
rose pecan
and mei and winston wear glasses as well
valid terrace
And Mercy
iron plume
so does Mercy out of her suit
rose pecan
in the dr. ziegler skin right?
peak escarp
have we seen Sigma wearing glasses?
valid terrace
I may be confusing it with Harold but I’m not on to look at the sprays
valid terrace
Dang ok
limpid agate
His eye is visibly dead
pliant sparrow
Why wouldn't he get it repaired though?
As punishment for what happened to Baldrich?
limpid agate
Or remembrance
peak escarp
something to remind him of his recklessness
white panther
I feel like at least one of the heroes in the game right now is 100% blind and we just don’t know it yet and it hasn’t been mentioned
white panther
But still, blizzard pulls stuff out of nowhere sometimes, so it’s still a possibility
valid terrace
Maybe Zen if anyone at all
We really don’t know much about him and he is a spiritualist
worthy rose
so, ana and rein only have one working eye
toxic flame
and even if, of course there will be some out of nowhere content. you can't possibly foreshadow absolutely everything , especially ideas that you've gotten just recently. the story and the characters are still evolving pretty much
pliant sparrow
I'd be interested in a blind hero just as long as it doesn't affect their view in the game
zealous stream
toxic flame
oh thats nice to know! for the longest time i thought the lights on his forehead were his eyes, similarly to bob's little LED beady eyes
hallow bramble
I always thought he didnt have eyes
peak escarp
if you can even call an omnic's optical sensors "eyes"
pliant sparrow
Eyes are essentially optical sensors just exceptionally advanced and complex ones
rose pecan
Hmmm considering orisa, bastion and zenyatta's optical sensors compared to other eyes, is kinda weird, even though windows ultimate "eyes" is still something similar and more of an additional vision to the normal eyes
raw nova
The funny thing is that junkrat hasn’t blown out any of his
spark scaffold
Everyone one thought sigma was blind when he was leaked
And genji might be blind as when you see his eyes in the dragons short they look kinda warped
pliant sparrow
I'd say they were definitely repaired
I doubt it's possible even in the overwatch universe to make movements like that whilst being blind
Unless technology is so advanced that it can give you something similar to echolocation
peak escarp
he's not Daredevil
Genji's eyes do seem functional, they just have scarring on the skin around them
hollow needle
When the war between overwatch and talon happens what side do you guys think neutral characters will pick
peak escarp
they won't pick a side
and it's not Overwatch vs Talon, its Null Sector vs the world
limpid agate
Its reasonable to assume that every non-Talon character would take up arms against Null Sector
If not travelling the world, at least locally
Even those who would never team up with Overwatch, like Ashe or Junkrat/Roadhog, won't miss the opprotunity.
Ashe for reasons that its some hostiles on her turf
Junkrat/Roadhog hate bots
hollow needle
So is talon with null sector?
hollow needle
Didn’t that omnic doomfist was talking to say his kind was wiped out?
peak escarp
Doomfist said he fights for his kind
limpid agate
Savior and Scourge
dusty cairn
do we have any information on who was the strongest
hollow needle
Can’t you see pictures of savior and scourge in a map
dusty cairn
i believe we can
hollow needle
I think the pictures are in Hollywood
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hollow needle
In Junkrat’s lore he fonds treasure which are secrets do you think they could be valuable during the war?
*finds
peak escarp
possibly
hollow needle
If the secrets are valuable then boths sides would want him and if he doesn’t join talon they would probably send an assassin to kill Junkrat because of these secrets
Am I right or wrong
peak escarp
not many people know he found something
limpid agate
Probably not
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limpid agate
Its also pinned
peak escarp
everyone who knows about it assumes it's a physical treasure with monetary value
hollow needle
pliant sparrow
Could it be an omnium reactor/core if those exist?
peak escarp
the one in the Australian omnium was detonated
peak escarp
I think it might have something to do with how the omniums reactivated after they were shut down
chilly peak
I don't like the fact that many mysteries were teased like 4 years ago and Blizzard hasn't touch them since then. Such as mentioned Junk's treasure
or glowy cube from Train Hopper comic
and I don't say about revealing those mysteries, but something that would remind us about them, like another teaser. Maybe a conversation during pre-match. Like McCree asking Sombra about pink cube
frosty shell
the cube from Train Hopper was just supposed to be a story-specific Maguffin
peak escarp
there's a lot of stuff they haven't gotten to
things they're probably saving for when they can tell the story they want to tell
worthy rose
one thingi noticed in the overwatch 2 trailer: in reunion, mccree tells echo to say "hello to the monkey", which he soon corrected himself to "scientist", and in the overwatch 2 trailer, when echo comes, she goes "hello winston!", so echo did what mccree asked of her
nothing important, just interesting to point out
iron plume
yes, it was a neat detail
worthy rose
what hero do you guys think will be getting lore next? like we seem to be getting lore for heroes once a mini-event comes out and i think one might come out before the lunar event or after it, i think it'll be zen or lucio, maybe even sigma
white panther
I wanna know more about bap
dapper glade
I want sigma to me hes such an interesting hero
peak escarp
I second Pharah
limpid agate
I want to see more about Helix
Not Pharah specifically
But she goes hand in hand with more Helix
peak escarp
I want to see Pharah confront her mother about being alive, and/or struggle with the fact that the Overwatch she once admired was now breaking a law that she is obligated to enforce
marble wigeon
I’m expecting zen to get at least a little new lore before ow2
Genji seems to be meeting him in the temple at Nepal in the trailer but in game he wonders if he’s even welcomed back there
Maybe a short story bridges the gap there
lament prawn
has there been a pattern in the mini events in terms of what heroes are chosen?
grand wedge
Ana Baptiste Mercy... the only pattern if we can call that, it’s ex-OW member, ex-Talon member, ex- OW member? Not sure it’s a pattern
I’m expecting Zen lore this year because Jeff told us « zen lore blizzard soon » and maybe McCree because Chu talk about Mercy and him on his Blizzcon interview and she got a story so ... we’ll see !
chilly peak
He stated that 'Blizzard soon' means at least 2 years. So don't count on this years
grand wedge
Oh really ? Where/when? Didn’t catch that! The only thing that he told us was long term was for the Junker Queen....so it’s her I’m not expecting her until 3/5 years tbh ^^
lament prawn
he was on stream with a youtuber, forgot who, then told them that there was something being announced "soon" but warned that it was "blizzard soon, which is about 2 years"
then the youtuber said "i thought it'd be more like 10 years" and jeff was like "no that's valve soon"
so that's where we got the "blizzard soon" thing iirc
grand wedge
Yeah I saw the stream but if he really meant 2 years, that means OW 2 will probably be there before Zen lore and I doubt he would tease it like that when they know zen has no lore since the beginning
And it was seagull for sigma release
lament prawn
if zen lore was being begged for so much at the time then maybe it was a way to shut people up regardless of whether it was part of OW2 or not, but yeah i dont see him teasing it casually like that when its part of OW2
that's like, teasing zen lore when in reality we're getting an OW movie with a short zen scene
unless zen was the main character
peak escarp
it was Seagull's birthday stream where they showed off Sigma
and it wasn't "at least 2 years"
it was "within 2 years"
so Zen lore could be any day now
grand wedge
Thanks for the source like always *^
peak escarp
Jeff was probably thinking of OW2 when he said this
also, in a Storm Rising stream with ohnickel, Jeff once referred to Overwatch as "Overwatch 1"
I don't think anyone on the stream caught it, but I did
pliant sparrow
Has every new dps added to the game been a 'villain'?
peak escarp
I guess so
peak escarp
but out of the release offense/defense heroes, only 2 were villians
ember arrow
cloud bobcat
Well yeah, but Mccree was also in blackwatch for a time
pliant sparrow
Criminal leader
cloud bobcat
Everyone in blackwatch became horrible except Genji the snitch
iron plume
Blackwatch was still ultimately on the side of “good”
pliant sparrow
Was blackwatch a criminal organisation?
cloud bobcat
No
iron plume
McCree left when it was revealed after Venice
peak escarp
Blackwatch did illegal things, but they were still part of Overwatch
cloud bobcat
But everyone recruited became part of Talon
iron plume
no?
peak escarp
just like how Blackwater (was that what it was called?) was part of the US Military
pliant sparrow
Well, overwatch is technically a criminal organisation right now
iron plume
out of four we know two did
peak escarp
Sigma wasn't in Blackwatch
peak escarp
the four members of Blackwatch we know of are Genji, McCree, Reaper and Moira
only 2 of those joined Talon
it's implied that other Blackwatch members joined Talon as well, but we don't know their names
cloud bobcat
I don't think Baptiste was part of Blackwatch considering he only chose Talon because it meant survival
pliant sparrow
Wonder if they'll get revealed
peak escarp
Baptiste was never in Overwatch
cloud bobcat
Got it
peak escarp
although now that he's broken off with Talon, he might seek them out
pliant sparrow
Baptiste was busy trying to survive
cloud bobcat
Wait @peak escarp WHAT??
peak escarp
read the short story What You Left Behind
iron plume
the only heroes that were in both Blackwatch and Talon are Reaper and Moira
cloud bobcat
Alrighty
iron plume
!!loretext
twilit nacelleBOT
Short Stories:
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
Valkyrie: https://bit.ly/2CF5JVE
News Reports:
Fading Glory; Jack Morrison: http://bit.ly/2f9TPq4
Experimental Weapon Stolen: http://bit.ly/2fMrKsj
Lucio's Synaesthesia World Tour: http://bit.ly/2flja2U
LumériCo: http://bit.ly/1XAJfd1
Overwatch is Back: http://bit.ly/1TAWebT
LumériCo Revealed: http://bit.ly/2e6P5oj
Portero Steps Down: http://bit.ly/2fk8Bes
Efi Oladele Interview: http://bit.ly/2miMZkT
Horizon Lunar Colony: http://bit.ly/2reMSKx
Attack on Helix: http://bit.ly/2tn45mk
Oslo Attack: https://bit.ly/2uHKXUr
Don Rumbotico: https://bit.ly/2VtzZKX
Documents:
Mei's Adventure: http://bit.ly/2fMxRg4
Torb's Letter: http://bit.ly/2HK4CWa
Venice Declassified: https://bit.ly/2Hs807B
Cuerva: https://bit.ly/2BHEqd9
Travel Guides:
Oasis: http://bit.ly/2iPTM4K
Paris: https://bit.ly/2GEyOoq
peak escarp
the short version is: Baptiste defected from Talon 4 years ago and has been on the run until his old squadmates track him down and pressure him to do a mission with them. During that mission Baptiste finds out about the Recall, decides 'to hell with Talon' and rescues their target. The story ends with Baptiste calling up Sombra to help him get in touch with Mercy, who he had worked with in a relief camp in Venezuela a few years ago
cloud bobcat
Oh
Cool thank you
I mean I still went through the time to read it but cool ^^'
But yeah
I am very excited to see how everything plays out
peak escarp
Mercy is still in Egypt several months later, so we don't know if Baptiste ever gets to her
opaque tundra
Maybe Sombra is slow at times or Mercy has good passwords
iron plume
she wouldn't need to hack mercy to contact her
peak escarp
or maybe they did meet and Mercy decided to stay where she was, despite the danger
iron plume
or Baptiste hasn't gotten there yet even if he knows where
peak escarp
it seems strange to me that he wouldn't go see her immediately, with how urgent he seemed in the story
prime dome
I'm just wondering how they'd go about that story, since Mercy joining up with OW, I feel like that whole story with Baptiste was a bit of a waste tbh
Other than introducing Mauga
lament prawn
the point of the story wasnt just "hey this is how i met mercy"
its "this is my journey escaping talon and taking a step towards overwatch"
and i doubt he'll just one day show up in overwatch with no explanation, they must show us what happened with him and mercy
peak escarp
it was to show Baptiste doing the right thing despite pressure from his past, proving that he's really a good guy at heart
I was going to say we haven't had a story from the perspective of any bad guys, but then I remembered Alive
pliant sparrow
What about sombra's reveal cinematic?
peak escarp
Sombra is . . . complicated
she's on the bad guy's side, but she is more of a rogue element
there's hints that she may be playing both sides to further her own goals
I don't see her as a villain
more like an anti-villain
lament prawn
calling her a villain would be too much
but if you had a scale from villain to hero, i dont think she'd land smack in the middle
leaning toward villain, but not there
pliant sparrow
Don't really know much about her morals either, if you think that changes it
lament prawn
i mean
"ill find who really runs the world, then, ill be the one pulling the strings"
she's definitely not out to help people
and it sounds like she isnt just there to stop the baddies
more like take their power
lament prawn
i think its too big of a deal to not exist
lament prawn
she further emphasizes the conspiracy and its power in the searching comic
peak escarp
her attack on Lumerico was supposed to be "for the people"
lament prawn
did it help her with her conspiracy thing?
lament prawn
when it comes to her morals i think it really depends on why she was hacking in the first place, before she was found out. you dont get exposed to a conspiracy then crave world domination. was she initially hacking for money, or to call out the corruption in the big names?
peak escarp
I think she was tackling corruption
pliant sparrow
Wonder if she wishes to control governments to prevent them from ruining countries badly, could be caused by her being an orphan of war and would be a reason for her to 'tackle corruption'
worthy rose
I have a really specific lore question.
Prior to the release of the game, did anyone (as in, us, the players) know about the Second Omnic Crsis?
iron plume
the Russian front is part of it, so yes
it was revealed with Zarya
pliant sparrow
I dont think so
worthy rose
There's a mention in the 'Recall' trailer
frosty shell
Blackwater isn't the black ops division of the US military, it's a private contracting firm which has done questionable things in the middle east
So they'd be more like Helix
iron plume
no video, but she was introduced as a fighter against omnics in russia's war
worthy rose
What info was there prior to the game's release on that?
frosty shell
We knew that Russia was fighting the Omnics from Zarya's bio
pliant sparrow
Blackwater?
Is that a mercenary organisation?
Or something like an army for hire?
iron plume
clever rivet
He meant Blackwatch @pliant sparrow
clever rivet
oh
iron plume
doc referred to it being a part of the US military a bit above here
clever rivet
Yep, I see it. A US based private military org.
Yeah, something like that would probably be a more apt description for a modern day Helix
dense estuary
Helix like blackwater is what is called a PMC or Private Military Corporation. I mean basically a polite way to say you hired mercs to do security
iron plume
and, sometimes, "security"
peak escarp
ah, okay
I wasn't that familiar with it, i just knew it was part of Blackwatch's inspiration
zenith prawn
But Blackwatch isn't a PMC?
Blackwatch is a division of Overwatch. It's more like Delta Force or DEVGRU.
And similar to CIA SAC in its level of autonomy and lack of oversight.
Helix Security is a PMC in the Overwatch universe.
iron plume
no
zenith prawn
She's presumably had patients who have died under her care though, right?
limpid agate
What, no
If that was something presumable we would have heard something about it
The only people who were killed because of Mercy were people killed by the biotic tech being weaponized by people who are not Mercy
Like Moira
On Screen Killers:
Doomfist, Genji, McCree, Reaper, Soldier, Sombra, Junkrat, Widowmaker, Roadhog, Ana, Moira, Baptiste
Off Screen but said to have killed:
Pharah, Hanzo, Symmetra
Overwatch Agents - May have killed on missions, liklihood varies:
Tracer, Torbjorn, Reinhardt, Winston
Junkertown Champion, probably killed other gladiators:
Hammond
Probably killed people, but hasn't explicitly been shown to:
Ashe
Heroes at war with Omnics, not humans:
D.Va, Zarya, Mei, Brigitte, Lucio, Mercy
Heroes not listed yet that have very little chance to be killers:
Bastion, Orisa, Sigma, Zenyatta
zenith prawn
Sigma is literally described as a "Living weapon" though.
limpid agate
So is Bastion
zenith prawn
Yeah but he's actively being used by Talon.
limpid agate
Gravity can also be used as a non-lethal weapon
zenith prawn
He belongs at least in the "probably killed people" category.
limpid agate
I disagree. At this point, I dont think Sigma has killed
Especially if he is an "unknowing" accomplice
If he used gravity to eliminate people through KOs like Winston does in Recall, rather than killing
worthy rose
Sigma was also in space for a very long time wasn’t he
limpid agate
Yes
worthy rose
Can’t kill anyone in space
limpid agate
What
limpid agate
Thats irrelevant
worthy rose
He’s not around other people
limpid agate
He wasnt Sigma when he was in space
He was just a scientist
He became Sigma afterwards
More specifically, he became "Subject Sigma" and was put into a facility
Then became "Sigma" sometime after Talon broke him out
The only time he had potential to become a killer was as "Sigma"
And even then, I disagree
It's potential, but not likely based on what we know of him, and how we have seen non-lethal force so far
dusky otter
Lore
peak escarp
Mercy may have lost patients, but that's not the same as her killing someone
doctors can't save everyone
iron plume
Sigma is tall because he’s dutch
and yes, losing a patient is absolutely not the same thing as killing someone
peak escarp
I think Sigma is safely in the "has not killed and is unlikely to" category
and they may be at war with omnics, but Mei and Mercy are unlikely to have killed either
rapid bolt
Well he’s Dutch but you can also see how long he is
Gravity stretched his toes and fingers
peak escarp
his toes and fingers look normal
foggy hull
@limpid agate I’m not deep in the lore, so correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t reinhardt and maybe Brigitte kill people while they adventured around?
limpid agate
No one was shown to be slain
peak escarp
they have only been shown killing omnics
limpid agate
!!wiki omnic
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/omnic
limpid agate
The TLDR is they are a brand of robot that started a war against humanity
foggy hull
I pretty much just know the stuff from reading the characters in game bios and armors
limpid agate
But that is skipping a lot of things
The wiki is a fan edited wiki but has basic information
All the major lore pieces are in the pins
foggy hull
Is zenyatta omnic?
peak escarp
yes
limpid agate
Zenyatta, Bastion, and Orisa.
foggy hull
There’s so much more lore than I thought looking at pinned...
Where do I start
Is there anything put together chronologically where I can start at the beginning and just move through it?
peak escarp
I have a list of all the lore in order of chronological release, if that's what you're looking for
I don't think anyone has put it all in timeline order though
limpid agate
The important things are
Shorts, comics, and short stories
The first pin can help you with starting
rancid ledge
any leads on what the evil omnics motivation is for being in talon?
whats talons end goal btw
grand wedge
Null Sector are an Omnic group that want to free the omnics - we saw it in Uprising - no humans, just omnics (kinda extremists)
Talon is ( or was?) a mercenary group - employed by countries to help them when their army was busy else were . Along the way, it became kind of a mafia
When Doomfist was imprissoned - it seems they just wanted to get more money and influence - but with Doomfist back, he wants a war to improve humanity - the strong will survive the war and the weak will be dead...
(i think that's the basic idea^^)
worthy rose
So couple things there Gwadael
Null Sector is an extremist group for omnic rights, spawned from the mistreatment of omnics from the UK and other parts of Europe.
Talon is what I would call a terrorist group. It's not that they're employed by countries but rather their members are seemingly high standing members in certain countries or organizations. It's unknown what their origins are or what they started off as and they seemingly have a board of members who operate and make the decisions with seemingly Doomfist being the main head. When Doomfist was imprisoned, the other members of Talon decided to make it a sort of war profiteering organization where the members would line up their own pockets with the conflicts they'd create.
Doomfist returning and taking charge once more is his own goal of seeing survival of the fittest in which he wants humanity to grow stronger from conflict.
peak escarp
Talon did present themselves as a mercenary company to find new recruits
that's why Baptiste joined
they aren't publicly evil, or at least they weren't when he joined
After his service was complete, Baptiste struggled to find a demand for his unique skills. He turned to one of the few opportunities open to him: joining the Talon mercenary group, one of the many organizations that were poised to profit off the chaos in the war's aftermath.
grand wedge
We still don’t know if they are publicly known for being evil/ terrorists right?
That’s what we the players know, but does the world know?
peak escarp
I don't think the public knows much about Talon
worthy rose
I'd say it's pretty well known by this point considering Baptiste left them. Baptiste joined when they were still very obscure but over the past couple of years we see Talon being more so the bad guys.
McCree's train hopper comic where a train was invaded by a bunch of Talon goons would be my main go to example. And of course the places they invaded as seen from the Baptiste hero origins
peak escarp
it may be outdated, but the "Overwatch is Back" article lists Reaper and Widowmaker as "terrifying mercenaries", with no mention of Talon
The surveillance footage from Monday's attempted museum heist instantly caught the world's attention. Two former Overwatch agents risked life and limb against two frighteningly capable mercenaries, and the theft was thwarted. But while much has been made over the images of sheer mayhem—that, miraculously, did not result in any deaths—there was another moment that caught my attention.
worthy rose
Talon's leadership may be obscure but I think it'd be recognizable to say that Talon is the bad guys or the grunts anyway. Similar to the storm troopers in Star wars; You'd know they are the bad guys even if you didn't know palpatine was.
grand wedge
Probably yes
peak escarp
Soldier's origin trailer just calls them "our enemies"
that was made back in 2015 - they probably hadn't named Talon yet
worthy rose
It does make me wonder tho; Given that some countries have no problem with Overwatch, I'd hope or expect that countries such as South Korea and maybe the US would be totally okay with privately hiding them given that Overwatch is still outlawed and such.
peak escarp
there's certainly people who are happy Overwatch is back
some might even be in a position to prevent them from being persecuted
lament prawn
I'd hope or expect that countries such as South Korea and maybe the US would be totally okay with privately hiding
OW/MEKA collab pls
chilly peak
Wouldn't be suprising
Anyway, I think Doomfist is lying to Omnics, particularly to Storm Rising mysterious Omnic.
Null Sector probably want to shift powers. So that Omnics would stand above humans.
Doomfist wants to improve humanity, and war is one of the greatest catalyst of innovation. It happened during and after the first Omnic Crisis. So DF wants to start a war but with Omnics loss in mind. He doesn't want Omnics to win. That would mean the end of humanity. In order to improve mankind, Omnics have to lose. This is a DF's plan.
The question is - does Null Sector's leadership know about his plan? Or will Akande betray them?
worthy rose
I think, given his openness on his positions, they both know that the alliance is temporary.
lament prawn
the thing is, does doomfist's plan involve omnics too? we know they can feel and think like humans
worthy rose
But they aren't doing any joint missions as far as we know, so there isn't much value to be gained by backstabbing, yet.
I don't think so. IIRC, Doomfist seems mostly neutral to Omnics in general. He's interested in making a better humanity through trial by fire, and he doesn't care about whether the peaceful Omnics come along for the ride or die with Null Sector.
Anybody else waiting for overwatch 2
No
Ok then 😦
TRACER IS OP
Ok bye
limpid agate
Serious discussion strictly related to lore. @dusty cairn @worthy rose
dusty cairn
my apologies
worthy rose
Pretty sure her lore is that shes op
peak escarp
the only hero who is "op" in the lore is Symmetra
dusty cairn
"hard light"
peak escarp
we don't know the full extent of her powers
limpid agate
Winston and Reaper are also overpowered
dusty cairn
also technically the most overpowered hero in real life logic in overwatch is tracer
time
peak escarp
Tracer's abilities are less "time travel" and more "selective time manipulation"
dusty cairn
since in the animated shorts and comics
they have no cooldowns
so basically zenyatta using transcendence
means infinite immortality
peak escarp
Transcendence probably isnt canon
abilities do have some limitations in canon - Tracer's chronal accelerator requires power, so if she runs out she can't blink/recall
marble wigeon
IIRC none of zenyattas abilities are canon
dusty cairn
wow
so canon zen basically just levitates
and that's about it
but i think that's not true
you can actually see how good zenyatta taught genji
marble wigeon
I picture him as more of a robot bodhisattva personally
dusty cairn
when genji deflects too many projectiles you start seeing multiple golden hands just like zen
so that does exist
marble wigeon
Is that true? I've never looked that close
dusty cairn
i did
marble wigeon
I think that's just a particle effect for the game, it just looks like a sped up genji arm
pliant sparrow
I'd say doomfist is pretty overpowered in lore
marble wigeon
Inner peace is a hell of a drug
peak escarp
my guess is that his "healing" is psychological, and that's why Mercy doesn't understand it
pliant sparrow
Like placebo affect? Or just mental healing?
marble wigeon
he might have an omnic alternative to biotic healing
iron plume
If it just had psychological effects, I doubt mercy would be so baffled
it might be some psychosomatic thing I guess
peak escarp
I just meant like how some doctors don't see psychologists as real doctors
iron plume
well yeah but if mercy thought that she wouldn't call it healing
iron plume
she asks him how his healing works
if it was purely psychological she'd go "oh yes he does psychology things"
peak escarp
his healing probably involves omnic energy, and that's what she wants to understand
iron plume
yea which is my point
lament prawn
what was zen's response to that again?
iron plume
Mercy: Zenyatta, I must admit, I do not understand how your healing works.
Zenyatta: And I do not understand much of how you heal, Dr. Ziegler. I suppose we must all take some things on faith.
lament prawn
i mean for all we know the point of the interaction itself could be a dig at "wait that hero doesn't do physical healing, so then how do they work" just as an in-game thing, but the tone felt lore-ish (if that makes sense) which is where the confusion comes from
marble wigeon
My headcanon is zen healing is omnic biotic healing
peak escarp
could be a jab at the fact that none of what we see Zen do in the game is canon
lament prawn
all the healing he did for genji was psychological, so that might be the excuse for his in-game healing (like brig's inspiration)
granted genji didn't need physical healing at the time, the question is do the orbs actually help, even for psychological stuff
peak escarp
Genji's physical healing didn't do much for his psychological damage
lament prawn
yeah exactly thats my point
zen only healed genji psychologically
what could his orbs be doing in his meditating emote?
just looking cool?
(which is totally valid)
peak escarp
maybe Mercy doesn't understand Zen's healing because it's spiritual - meditation, etc.
lament prawn
yeah
lament prawn
that line could work with lucio and brig if it's purely referencing the game and not canon, perhaps its just by chance that they chose zen
peak escarp
maybe
lament prawn
i assume she'd never ask him that in-universe though, because that's like asking a therapist how their healing works
assuming he doesn't physically heal like he does in-game
marble wigeon
I wouldn't be surprised if he can physically heal
It's not like we really know anything about zenyatta actual abilities lore wise
lament prawn
it comes down to what his orbs can do in universe
lament prawn
and we know there's no spiritual magic, so it can't be that
marble wigeon
Doesn't brig give people armor?
peak escarp
in the game
marble wigeon
Also I thought lucios healing had something to do with the vishkar sound tech?
lament prawn
brig has the mechanical knowledge to build you armor and she knows basic first aid, her E isn't canon for all we know though
peak escarp
in canon she does first aid and fixes Reinhardt's armor
Lucio's weapons are crowd control guns
meant to shoot sound at people
similar tech exists today
marble wigeon
I get they're real, but if I'm remembering correctly Lucious grandfather worked for vishkar and made that sonic technology which lucio then stole
dusty cairn
i thought he just stole them from vishkar
marble wigeon
He's got a line with sym and mercy about it
pliant sparrow
So how would lucio's sonic waves hurt machines?
marble wigeon
I think it's just his father actually
pliant sparrow
And how does sound move people
Pretty sure if that's possible the sound required would be seriously immense
marble wigeon
My guess is it's some kind of "solid sound" similar to vishkars hard light
pliant sparrow
But 'hard light' is something that is currently a very real possibility
They've even managed to make light act like a solid
marble wigeon
Realism isn't really part of the equation in overwatch tbh
And light being a solid and what sym does are way different
pliant sparrow
Hmm true
They do have time manipulation after all
The equations used to figure that out must have been insanely complex
grand wedge
@marble wigeon it's his father - not grandfather
peak escarp
Lucio's father made the core tech of the sonic amplifier while working for Vishkar
legally, it was Vishkar's intellectual property
but Lucio didn't see it that way
marble wigeon
I mean vishkar did kinda try to fascist his people
peak escarp
a company being corrupt doesn't mean it's okay to steal from them
marble wigeon
There's a difference between being corrupt and actively impeding people rights
and if a company is actively oppressing your people and stealing from them can help them, it's close to a moral duty to do so
But that's more philosophy than lore
peak escarp
copyright and intellectual property law doesn't get ignored just because you dont like someone
marble wigeon
Laws serving oppressors shouldn't be respected
peak escarp
Lucio could make a case for the rights to be legally his, as his father's inheritor, if it can be proved that his father didn't make it on company time/with company resources
bur Vishkar may have their employees sign contracts surrendering the rights to their creations
marble wigeon
You're conflating legality with morality here
pliant sparrow
Legally it is wrong morally it may be right
peak escarp
"but your honor, they're evil - I had to steal from them" won't hold up in court
marble wigeon
I mean yeah, they might have a legal case against him, but legality vs morality is as close to a central theme as overwatch gets
Arguing in defense of vishkar because they're technically the victim of a crime is somewhat missing the forest for the trees
peak escarp
Lucio doesn't care about morality either - his stance is "this is mine because my father made it"
from a legal standpoint, Vishkar hasn't done anything wrong
even morally, its debatable
they were providing better housing for the community
marble wigeon
Have you read the sym comic?
peak escarp
we don't know their motives
I have
Sanjay blew up their competition and caused collateral damage
we don't know if Vishkar gave the order or even knew it was him
marble wigeon
Are you talking about the dude, not the corporation?
peak escarp
Sanjay Korpal, yes
he works for Vishkar and is a Talon leader
we don't know his position in Vishkar
some kind of management, but probably not the top
Sanjay does not represent all of Vishkar
marble wigeon
You literally just said vishkar did nothing wrong
Even acting like the destruction happened without any big wigs knowing, having a dedicated agent break into a competitors private property for the sake of corporate espionage is most assuredly a crime
Saying vishkar hasn't done anything wrong legally or morally is just plain false
peak escarp
I'm saying Vishkar didnt do that, Sanjay/Symmetra did
marble wigeon
Also they weren't providing better housing, lucious lore pretty clearly states that their promises never became reality
Crimes corporations commit still have peoples names attached
It doesn't make them not the fault of the corporation
frosty shell
It seemed like they were providing housing at the cost of having an iron fist over the areas they own
marble wigeon
In the whole 5 paragraphs lore lucio has they don't say anywhere they provided housing for the populace
All it says is that vishkar didn't fulfill it's promises and imposed their rules on them
peak escarp
so you're saying a corporation is responsible for the actions of its employees, whether they were ignorant of them or not?
marble wigeon
When you say "they" who specifically are you talking about?
It's not like sanjay and sym are two randoms at the bottom of the ladder
Symmetra was given her title by vishkar specifically for the sake of clandenstine missions in vishkars interests
peak escarp
"they" is the company
You seem to be under the impression that Vishkar either ordered Sanjay to eliminate the competition or was at least aware that he did so and condoned it
there is no proof of that
Sanjay could have been acting on his own, without Vishkar's knowledge
marble wigeon
Huh, you can't paste images here
Symmetras bio is very clear that she is sent on clandestine missions by vishkar, the company
marble wigeon
I'm aware, and in my experience it means you're literally arguing for the wrong side
Advocating for the devil, as it were
peak escarp
exactly
I'm providing the counterargument for the sake of discussion
I know Vishkar is up to all sorts of shady stuff and is totally guilty of plenty of crimes
but to the public, they just know of Vishkar being a benevolent development company that helps out poor areas of the world
marble wigeon
Judging by the fact that lucio is considered a hero after his uprising and vishkar went under investigation after they were kicked out of rio they're public image probably isn't so great
pliant sparrow
Depends what country it is
marble wigeon
The world of overwatch seems to be full of internation connections, I'd imagine most people in touch with the news will have heard of vishkar, especially after the lumerico leak
Also I was just reading the old comics again and did reinhardt totally brick his only van for his entrance in the OW2 cinematic?
limpid agate
Of course.
marble wigeon
I'm also curious about how socially acceptable "altered" people are in the OW universe
There's a ton of people with cybernetic limbs and such, and tracer blinks in public without any hesitation
limpid agate
Hmmm... Might depend on where you are
marble wigeon
And like, does winston go grocery shopping?
limpid agate
Probably not. Even today, you can order groceries online.
marble wigeon
I wonder if anyone was suspicious about the food being delivered to the otherwise abandoned watchpoint gibraltar
Winston was a public figure so maybe it's just known he lived there
pliant sparrow
You can see by the girls reaction to tracer walking in a crowd that members of overwatch are at least known to still exist
marble wigeon
How often is Orisa out on the streets in public?
She's in the background of the Zarya comic with Efi
limpid agate
Fairly often
She lives there.
There isn't really anything weird about Orisa.
At least not in Numbani
pliant sparrow
She's seen as a protector
peak escarp
Numbani is the one place in the world where an omnic like her wouldn't stand out
frosty shell
I think people know/knew Winston was living in Watchpoint Gibraltar
He might've been assigned to look after it or something
The real question would be why he hasn't been arrested there
slate siren
No one has made laws for monkeys 🐒
slate siren
What about Hammond? I'm sure he doesn't pay taxes because he doesn't wear pants
If you don't wear pants you don't pay taxes. That's my logic
peak escarp
that's terrible logic
pliant sparrow
Does junkertown pay tax to the Australian government? Or are they a separate entity?
slate siren
@peak escarp If he doesn't wear pants he doesn't have pockets so he doesn't have a wallet to pay taxes!
peak escarp
!!shitposting @slate siren
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slate siren
Dude...
peak escarp
this is a serious discussion channel
slate siren
It's just a fucking joke
peak escarp
I don't care
slate siren
You are trash
limpid agate
@slate siren Final warning.
valid terrace
It’s likely that Junkertown is a rogue faction away from the government
They forcefully took land that the government had planned as an Omnic sanctuary
Also they don’t have any infrastructure or outside reconstruction, so the government is probably just content letting them run their own area
Bet their water is still tainted
fierce ermine
i heard that there's a lore explanation as to why characters respawn and why there are multiple instances of a character in a match. is this true? i don't remember where i heard it
chilly peak
No official explanation. Only fan made like "it's simulation inside OW training program".
Don't take gameplay as a canon
grand wedge
Overwatch gameplay mechanics are meant for the purpose of the game not for the purpose of the lore. Just like when you die in every other war game and you respawn
iron plume
the developers' explanation of the gameplay is "like someone playing with action figures"
raw anchor
hello
dusty cairn
greetings
crude saffron
greetings
peak escarp
this isn't the place for socializing
robust ridge
Anyone ever think of Numbani map as defenders?
You and your squad just chilling in a nightclub (during the day) and head out to stop bad guys who just invaded a train terminal
remember, no russian.
peak escarp
it's an airport, not a train terminal
valid terrace
Paris is virtually the same but reversed
Just chilling in clubs makes for good pregaming
iron plume
the Paris club is heavily implied to be a resistance meeting place
valid terrace
Cool
peak escarp
you don't spend a lot of time in the nightclub on Numbani
quartz seal
what does this have to do with lore
limpid agate
!!shitposting @atomic hearth
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dusty cairn
i kind of forgot but what happened to winston (the scientist) , did he die?
dusty cairn
he wasn't with the rest of the scientists when the other apes went rogue?
was he?
oh
that's sad , also he kind of resembles Peter parker from spider verse
grand wedge
They didn't give us an official date for the book Hero of Numbani right? On amazon, the kindle is available on may 5th, but the paper book on june 2nd...
peak escarp
May 5th is the only date I've seen
the hardcopy and digital releases may have different dates
grand wedge
maybe... well, I guess i'll buy both copies then, i don't want to miss a single day reading it!
peak escarp
I'm getting hardcopy for sure
opaque tundra
I thought the book came out on May 10th. Speaking of the book and relating to lore, I wonder if we'll meet Efi's parents and more omnic characters
peak escarp
I'm more curious about how Lucio will play into the story
marble wigeon
I’m expecting a symm redemption arc relating to lucio in some manner