Season 2 or whatever, Welcome to Junkertown. Added gladitorial arena missions in the scrapyard, new faction, new units, etc.
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
peak escarp
which a lot of people want
limpid agate
Season passes and expansion packs are nice when done well
I hope they do them well
Or rather
I hope they do them, and then do them well
peak escarp
I'm not really bothered how they add more content (I'll begrudgingly buy expansion packs if I have to)
I just hope that they do add more content
limpid agate
I highly doubt they'll do it for free for PvE
peak escarp
but you're right, a season pass system would be optimal
valid raft
why the fuck are u guys talking about an hunter exotic
thorn nova
Im interested in moira's fade how did she get it?
valid terrace
She presumably learned how to replicate Reaper’s condition and make it more stable, which is why she and the Talon Snipers can do it
wooden crane
Yes
peak escarp
!!loreonly @worthy rose
twilit nacelleBOT
@worthy rose This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
zenith prawn
Did Moira have a hand in creating Widowmaker?
worthy rose
She likely monitors Widowmaker but if she was the creator of Widowmaker is questionable
peak escarp
not her initial conditioning, but it's speculated that she was involved in altering Widowmaker's physiology
making her heart slow and her skin blue
zenith prawn
So she didn’t do the Patty Hearsting but she did do the blue skin.
worthy rose
We can't confirm but likely
peak escarp
probably
valid terrace
That’s as good as it gets in terms of overwatch lore
gusty glade
Were gonna have to wait untill next blizzcon
Oh and also papa jeff talked about the junkerqueen in his live he was hinting that she may be a playable character in ow2
peak escarp
they have big plans for her
but she could just be a boss we have to fight, not a playable character
gusty glade
Maybe
timid eagle
Junker Queen looks cool, but IF she's added to the game as a playable character, I really want to hear what sort of character interaction she'll have with Junkrat, Roadhog, and Wrecking Ball.
More so with Roadhog, as he used to be one of her "enforcers".
gusty glade
Its not gonna be pretty
limpid agate
I want to see her mech
fading trench
Antonio is alive
grand wedge
No Antonio is dead
worthy rose
He got shot, which happens to a lot of people with only minor harm.
Then he got thrown out a window, which is about the most cliched way to fake a death.
So we really don't know what happened to him, but there must be a good reason for him not appearing anywhere in the lore since then for him to have survived.
limpid agate
there must be a good reason for him not appearing anywhere in the lore since then
There is
Its because he's dead.
The two who are presumed dead but unconfirmed are Liao and Lucio's dad. Mauga is also MIA, but we know he's gonna be back.
Everyone else who died is dead.
Bringing someone back from the dead works once
And they already used that card on Genji
drifting briar
I thought I read love discussion
grand wedge
They used that card a lot, not only with Genji but with Soldier Ana and Reaper too.
peak escarp
the audience was never told that Soldier, Ana and Reaper were dead
limpid agate
Reaper was literally one of the first 4 people shown on screen
peak escarp
in-universe they were thought to be dead, but we always knew they were alive (or in Ana's case, her death wasn't confirmed)
grand wedge
Neither Genji
limpid agate
Genji was dead in Hanzo's backstory
Hanzo was November 2014. Genji was November 2015.
peak escarp
Hanzo's bio says "When his brother refused, Hanzo was forced to kill him. "
limpid agate
The only other hero who was dead, and then brought back from the dead is arguably Orisa.
And that's arguable because Orisa didn't exist yet
peak escarp
it still says Genji is dead, even though we now know that he isn't
grand wedge
What I mean is that in canon the world thought they’re dead but actually not.
grand wedge
They have to stop doing it
peak escarp
yes
limpid agate
They've done that for:
peak escarp
"thought to be dead" is overdone, which is why they won't (or shouldn't) bring back Antonio, Harold, Sojiro, Mondatta, etc.
limpid agate
Ana, Bastion, Genji, Mei, Orisa^, Reaper, Soldier, Tracer, Widow
In universe
^ because she didnt exist yet
But she was destroyed by Doomfist
And she remembers that happening to her frame
She has memories of it, but Efi didnt make her personality yet
But of those characters
They were all revealed to us before we learned they were considered dead in universe
Ana, who was "MIA"
Or Genji, who was "dead"
The "MIA" card is fine
That's where Liao, Lucio's dad, and Mauga exist
And we know Mauga is happening
But the "dead" card
Works once
grand wedge
I’d would love that Liao were actually alive and retired the entire time. Like « ok the crisis is over, no I won’t be part of your big organization you want to create, bye! »
pliant sparrow
So mauga is confirmed MIA?
errant glen
the stories are probably written from the characters perspectives
so it saying genji is dead is what hanzo believez
s
what a fool
what an absolute buffoon
worthy rose
The last we saw of Mauga was from the Baptiste story. He's so stylized and the dev team has stated before they were making designs for him to be made but ended up making Sigma instead cause the kit just didn't fit Mauga
pliant sparrow
Imagine mauga as a super intelligent Dutch man
limpid agate
More like Mauga with a projected shield, matrix, and knock down skillshot
When they do make him, he'll be more aggressive
I'm hoping for a shield that lets him shoot, and the heavy assault swipe
@pliant sparrow You can't confirm MIA
That's why it's called
MIA
He is missing
He was last seen in a lethal explosion
worthy rose
is soldier gay
limpid agate
Yes.
worthy rose
Is there anyone else who's gay other than him and Tracer?
grand wedge
No other hero confirmed.
noble field
I've been thinking....
Do you guys think there is some way for Widowmaker to be redeemed?
become normal again?
limpid agate
@pine crest No begging
@noble field Its possible, but I dont think its worth exploring.
The world needs villains
noble field
this is true
Even if she was back to normal heartbeat, I feel they would pull a Star Wars on us and have her be a good guy for the last five minute before she dies.
that IF they go that far in the story, which is highly doubtful
peak escarp
she has a lot to answer for
echo gate
i think widow is hiding something
noble field
^^^
echo gate
in her voice lines there’s a couple that seem...off for a lady with NO emotions
limpid agate
She isnt totally emotionless
peak escarp
even if she does somehow break free of Talon, there's still ~7 years of assassination and murder
limpid agate
She has 1 personality.
peak escarp
to me it seems like she is frustrated that the only thing that gives her joy is killing
noble field
I feel if she retrieved her emotions, I feel that she would have a severe case of PTSD for all the things shes done
echo gate
and her submissive personality is the one talon locked away
noble field
killing the omnic pope (forgot his name) and killing her husband
limpid agate
Mondatta
peak escarp
speculation is typically backed up by evidence
echo gate
this is going off pretty much nothing and is just a concept i’ve had
noble field
same here
echo gate
but i think echo and moira will have some kind of interaction
noble field
its just in imagination
echo gate
or history
peak escarp
she seems frustrated in some of her interactions
Moira: How are you feeling Lacroix?
Widowmaker: I don't feel, isnt that the point?
echo gate
there’s one between ana and widow
ana tells widow that she didn’t deserve her husband or something along those lines
and widow replies (this won’t be an exact quote)
noble field
"You dont know ANYTHING about him"
echo gate
yess
peak escarp
she is seen visiting her husband's grave, and has her wedding photo put up around her new house - to me these are signs that she's trying to provoke her emotions
echo gate
i can’t help but hear remorse or guilt in her voice
moira is actually my favorite character lore wise
noble field
so Doc... the best thing i have for "evidence" is the reflections comic
echo gate
she has no affiliation
noble field
oh i didnt see you typed that
limpid agate
She respects Gerard and remembers that she loved him, but she has done nothing that makes it sound like she regrets killing him, from my perspective.
noble field
thats exactly what i was thinking
limpid agate
At best, she regrets that he had to die. Not that she was the one to do it.
Is how I interpreted her lines.
echo gate
maybe widow regards her previous self has a completely different person
limpid agate
For instance, that Ana/Widow interaction
noble field
^^^
limpid agate
She doesn't say anything about her killing him. She defends his memory.
peak escarp
Widowmaker's response to Ana tells me that Widowmaker remembers loving him and will defend his memory to people who talk badly about him
noble field
She gawn die
echo gate
oop
limpid agate
Not that.
noble field
lol ok then
limpid agate
Death is a poor copout for stakes.
peak escarp
I don't see them doing much with her
limpid agate
Especially in this game.
echo gate
i think she’ll have a redemption ark
noble field
I disagree, sorry.
peak escarp
Moira doesn't need a redemption arc
noble field
Death can be a good part of writing, IF they do it very elaborately and execute it perfectly
limpid agate
This is not the game for that.
echo gate
well personally i can’t see moira staying where she is
noble field
Killing off a character is indeed a very risky and nutty thing to do. especially in a universe like Overwatch
peak escarp
she isn't exactly evil - she just does science for science's sake, without regards to the method used
peak escarp
she does have a lot to offer, and Talon is the one buying
noble field
which is how he ended up as reaper when Mercy rezzed him
echo gate
talon doesn’t care about her work, they care about what they can gain from her
peak escarp
Mercy didn't rez him
peak escarp
Mercy was not involved with creating Reaper
echo gate
moira isnt interested in world domination or power
noble field
im not saying that she was involved
noble field
Im saying that Gabe ended up being what reaper is becasue Moira tainted him with her own experiments
thats my thoery
no need to be a smartass about it
peak escarp
we see Moira giving him wraith powers in her origin trailer
noble field
YES
thats my thing
if that DIDNT happen, Gabe woul;d have been normal when Mercy rezzed him after being killed my Jack
echo gate
what character do y’all think is the most likely to have a significant ark
limpid agate
Mercy had nothing to do with Reaper's condition
echo gate
the devs wouldn’t want mercy to remain pure
limpid agate
She doesn't even know Reyes is Reaper until Valkyrie.
echo gate
*would
echo gate
i actually don’t like tracers personality
limpid agate
This isn't us being "smartasses"
echo gate
tho i main her
peak escarp
Mercy cannot canonically resurrect people
peak escarp
hah
limpid agate
Mercy used her Rez in Zero Hour on Mei.
noble field
I never siad nor implies it as a "fact"
echo gate
can we move on from this
echo gate
we need zen lore
limpid agate
You can make theories
echo gate
OKAY WAIT
limpid agate
But things like "Mercy rezzed Reaper"
Are things that we know were false for years.
noble field
Napal
limpid agate
No, India.
noble field
omfg ok then
echo gate
IVE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF THAT ZENS DISCORD AND HARMONY ORB ARE RELATED TO MOIRAS SUCC AND PEE JUICE
peak escarp
they're not
limpid agate
Discord isn't canon.
limpid agate
It doesn't.
Mercy invented the biotic tech Moira uses.
Zenyatta has nothing to do with it.
Mercy doesn't understand how Zenyatta heals.
echo gate
when did i say zen invented the tech
limpid agate
You didn't. Im not talking about that.
noble field
Yeah im looking on the wiki and it says Zen is in Napal
limpid agate
Zenyatta's orbs and healing are completely unrelated to Moira's stuff.
noble field
but it says "Formally"
peak escarp
Zen was in Nepal
limpid agate
1 sec
peak escarp
in the OW2 trailer, we see him in a new location that is probably India
echo gate
wait lol
peak escarp
based on the architecture
echo gate
you just ripped on mojo for stating something as a complete fact when it isn’t
yet you just did that
noble field
^^^
echo gate
it very well could be india but it isn’t confirmed
peak escarp
it doesn't look like Nepal
noble field
It a fucking room guys oml
peak escarp
it looks like India
echo gate
yeah “looks”
noble field
its a tight space and were going to go off by a window?
echo gate
i’ve seen architecture almost exactly like that in morocco
limpid agate
peak escarp
we also saw shots for that map from the outside
noble field
Napal and India are right next to eachother
but idk if that means "same architecture"
echo gate
yeah but it still isn’t confirmed
noble field
Indeed
I feel that we're basing this off of something i find quite silly
no offense
peak escarp
what Jewvia is saying is not confirmed but is very likely
echo gate
we need a Moroccan hero
noble field
LMAO
echo gate
no it actually is
noble field
it literally is
echo gate
what they said was
noble field
but im not going to hold a grudge
echo gate
“He’s in India”
noble field
unless you guys escalate it
echo gate
not he most likely is in india
peak escarp
that wasn't a false statement
echo gate
or there is a strong possibility that he’s in india
noble field
Just because hes a Mod doesnt mean everythin he says is facts
limpid agate
Correct.
limpid agate
No you're right. Me being orange means nothing. None of the other mods know anything about lore.
peak escarp
being a mod doesn't make it a fact
having evidence makes it a fact
limpid agate
And I have evidence.
echo gate
yeah this is getting tiring, i can at least admit when i’ve done something stupid
peak escarp
and he gave evidence
noble field
then show us
limpid agate
If you want me to break it down for you in simpler terms I can.
noble field
that map screen shot?
echo gate
r/Iamverysmart
limpid agate
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/180471683759472640/660196335819161602/unknown.png
Zenyatta is in an unknown room.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/180471683759472640/660196834601467924/Unknown_map.png
The room is suggested to be the same as this unknown new map.
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/884806.jpg
The map is revealed to be India.
noble field
those could be different places but who knows
echo gate
the windows are actually quite different
limpid agate
Here is more of the unknown map
noble field
and?
echo gate
and indian architecture relies heavily on symmetry, so the building you’ve shown and the window are most likely not the same
limpid agate
We know its the same map because they told us "here are the new maps"
echo gate
i’m not saying that the window isn’t symmetrical
i’m saying the two windows are not the same
limpid agate
Obviously
noble field
If all we can do is wait and see, there is no sense in arguing over this
limpid agate
For starters, one window is open and the other is a wall
peak escarp
there are no windows visible in the outdoor shot of the map
echo gate
we aren’t talking about the outdoor shot of the map
peak escarp
which two windows then?
echo gate
i don’t have the energy to explain it again
noble field
you guys are trying to prove a point over something this mundane?
Wait and see
simple as that
noble field
and you escalated this
limpid agate
No one knows what window you are talking about. There is no second window.
Unless you are talking about that arch that faces a wall
Which is obviously different. Because its not a window.
We are trying to understand what you are talking about.
And cannot.
Can you explain it again?
Preferably with a picture.
noble field
sure gimme a sec
peak escarp
I only pointed out that saying something not confirmed to be true wasn't the same as saying something known to be false
noble field
oh and then the Mod does that saem and you defend him? gotcha
like im sorry if a was misunderstood earlier
peak escarp
I'm defending the facts
limpid agate
They showed off 5 maps in the trailer.
Toronto
Gothenburg
Monte Carlo
Rio de Janeiro
An untitled map set in India, which was confirmed to be in India in a panel later that weekend.
peak escarp
and the facts are that the devs showed off a new map that is set in India, and Zenyatta was seen on that map
limpid agate
He is in India in the trailer.
Specifically in the part of the trailer where they are showing off the story and cinematics
noble field
You dont know that based of a singe room
peak escarp
okay
noble field
this is so stupid LMAO
peak escarp
Zen was seen on what looks like the same map
echo gate
i think tracer should get a passive ability
echo gate
look i made him stop talking abt it
noble field
holy shit
echo gate
the trick is just saying anything that gives him an opportunity to give out orders
peak escarp
I wouldn't suggest annoying a mod
limpid agate
The trick is to break the rules intentionally.
noble field
Idgaf that hes a mod
limpid agate
Me being a mod is irrelevant.
My authority has 0 impact on my argument.
But I will dispose of you for intentionally breaking the rules. See that you don't do it again.
If you have any questions or complaints about my moderation, please DM @sullen pagoda
noble field
Its like saying that a T500's opinion about Doomfist being OP is objectively correct just because hes/shes a T500
limpid agate
Do not make them here.
peak escarp
if you want to drop the topic, fine - what else would you like to discuss?
noble field
whearas a Plat says the same. he gets shat on
echo gate
literally anything else that doesn’t have to do with windows or india
noble field
^^^
peak escarp
we could go back to discussing Widowmaker's motivation
echo gate
sure
peak escarp
or Moira's lack of ethics
echo gate
whatever you find more interesting
peak escarp
I've said everything I have on those topics - I was hoping you had something
echo gate
do you guys think moira had a normal upbringing
echo gate
true
peak escarp
although it depends what you mean by "normal"
peak escarp
she was probably interested in science/genetics from an early age (as shown by her Archives spray)
echo gate
or maybe she was charismatic for the sake of progress
peak escarp
maybe sparked by her heterochromia
echo gate
manipulating those around her to achieve what she wanted
actually no that’s sombra
not what you said what i said
peak escarp
she does seem like the type to do a "social experiment" just to see the result
limpid agate
Sombra did do that growing up
Except she did it to adults
Rather than other children
Like the chief of police
peak escarp
there's more to gain from manipulating adults
limpid agate
Volskaya
echo gate
katya?
limpid agate
Katya Volksaya.
peak escarp
she wants a powerful ally
echo gate
yeah i knew the last name but was blanking on her first name
limpid agate
Sombra is addicted to control and manipulation. She says so herself in her origin trailer, and it shows through her actions.
She likes to find dirt on people, and then use it to manipulate them to her advantage.
Information is power and all
peak escarp
she has flaws
echo gate
but there’s nothing that suggests an ulterior motive
echo gate
i think she has a problem with accepting choices that are negative in the moment but achieve the greater good down the line
peak escarp
she doesn't think/expect people to understand her work, she's always suggesting remedies to people who dont ask for her help
echo gate
tracer has always bothered me, i love her character, the design, the premise but something about her never clicks
peak escarp
some people call that a savior complex, I call it being a doctor
noble field
theres been multiple theory's of her secretly being a bad guy
echo gate
mercy?
noble field
but thats sound very unethical
echo gate
it would be an interested concept for sure but the ow team would never do that
noble field
yes Mercy
peak escarp
they're all bad theories based on misconceptions
noble field
^^^
yeah like going off greek mythology with her suit and angel themed stuff
its just really wierd stuff ive read
out of curiosity
peak escarp
most of the evil Mercy theories are based on the misconception that she created Reaper, but we know that isn't true
echo gate
okay this is kind of an obvious theory that i’ve been thinking of
peak escarp
some even go so far as to say it was "retconned" and given to Moira
echo gate
but i think sombra’s ultimate motive is revenge
in her origin story she implies that the war broke families, left kids motherless, fatherless, orphans
noble field
I think they actually DID retcon a few things
zenith prawn
I feel like two conversations are being had at once.
peak escarp
a few small things, but nothing as big as that
echo gate
so maybe she wants those in power, those who had a hand in the war to suffer
peak escarp
the war was caused by the omnics
noble field
She hates Jack and Ana
echo gate
i’m not sure it’s as simple as that tho
noble field
She hates a lot of stuff
peak escarp
Sombra hasn't shown any hatred towards omnics
echo gate
katya was being helped by omnics
echo gate
anyways i’m probably wrong but it’s a head cannon thing
i hate that soldier is gay
it makes absolutely no sense
zenith prawn
I don't think it matters.
peak escarp
@noble field I wouldnt say Mercy hates Jack and Ana - she does resent them for what they did to Overwatch and what they did with her tech
echo gate
well yeah it doesn’t
echo gate
doesn’t affect lore or gameplay it’s just a personal thing
zenith prawn
If it doesn't matter then why do you hate it?
peak escarp
so then you hate me? @echo gate
echo gate
i’m gay lmao
noble field
OMG we are NOT going there are we?
peak escarp
why does Soldier being gay need to make sense?
zenith prawn
^ Exactly
echo gate
it doesn’t, like i said it’s just a personal thing
zenith prawn
I think they'll eventually work Vincent into the lore somehow, so it will be consequential.
peak escarp
you're allowed to have your opinions, but be aware that people will judge you for them
noble field
like you did lul
peak escarp
@zenith prawn I disagree
echo gate
yeah of course
peak escarp
I don't think Vincent will be mentioned again
noble field
isnt he dead?
zenith prawn
Then why did they care to mention him at all?
peak escarp
he was Jack's boyfriend ~30 years ago
zenith prawn
Yeah and maybe there will be flashbacks or something?
echo gate
they needed something to make his sexuality more substantial
peak escarp
he was mentioned to show that Jack is forever alone
zenith prawn
It was a little long of a mention in Valkyrie to be totally inconsequential.
He's a living Checkov's Gun.
zenith prawn
Sorry, yeah. Bastet.
zenith prawn
I would argue that half a page is still decently substantial.
It's almost more than we have about Zen lol
peak escarp
Jack's sexuality wasn't the relevant part of that reveal - it could have just as easily been Vanessa
the point of it was to show that he's married to his work and doesn't make time for his personal life
and that carries over to his vendetta against Talon - he won't even pause it long enough to help Ana until she drugs him and forces him to stay
echo gate
i’m glad they didn’t make ashe x mccree a thing
now i’m just waiting for soldier x bob
peak escarp
. . .
echo gate
joking joking
peak escarp
we don't do jokes here
echo gate
i can’t tell if you’re serious or not
peak escarp
Ashe and McCree may not have been a couple, but Ashe does seem to have feelings for him
he gets her flustered like nobody else does
echo gate
well yeah i don’t blame her
peak escarp
echo gate
but they’re on opposite sides of the track
peak escarp
yep
and her whole thing is sticking up for your family - he betrayed her, and I dont see her as the forgiving type
echo gate
i love they’re dynamic
flirty yet violent
but i have to admit
mccree might just be able to win her over
i mean
just look at that all american beard
valid terrace
I’m not sure he wants to
I don’t see him pursuing a relationship as he probably feels he doesn’t deserve it
The same reason he won’t join Overwatch
Dude’s got seriously low opinions of himself despite how he acts
zenith prawn
McCree is like Depressed Han Solo(TM)
pliant sparrow
That's pretty inaccurate
Han was a criminal smuggling across the galaxy for years with several big bounties on his head whilst mcree is seemingly a vigilante of sorts
echo gate
imagine if the reason moira is so interested in genetics and biology is because she lost one of her parents to a genetic disorder
peak escarp
I think it's more likely related to her heterochromia
zenith prawn
And McCree has a bounty on his head no?
echo gate
i’ve been thinking about support hero concepts and can’t think of a new and exciting way to heal
peak escarp
yes?
zenith prawn
How about they heal when angry/happy/some emotion?
peak escarp
most of the healers' source of healing is either derived from Mercy's tech (Ana, Moira, Mercy) or is an abstract idea represented by a gameplay feature that isnt canonically capable of healing (Lucio, Brigitte)
tight citrus
i mean, maby if they'r being shot at then theyr unhappy=low heals?
peak escarp
Baptiste's tech may also be derived from Mercy's, we don't know
echo gate
isn’t moira’s healing biotic
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
Genji and mercy
echo gate
while mercy uses nanobots
peak escarp
thinking of new ways to heal
peak escarp
the only canon healing that doesn't come from Mercy's tech is Zen's
which may be psychological healing
we don't know how he heals
echo gate
would a stationary object ability that has a heal over time effect for allies work
peak escarp
some people have come up with a healer who builds a health pack dispenser
limpid agate
Health Packs are canon as of Baptiste Origin
peak escarp
you could have more healers like Brig or Lucio, who "heal" by inspiring people
any healing that uses nanobiotics will be derived from Mercy's tech, since she invented it
they could also use chemicals, like Roadhog
echo gate
what about a completely utility support character
one that perhaps shortens cooldowns
maybe their ult could allow teammates to use own ability numerous times
peak escarp
reducing cooldowns could easily make things unbalanced and chaotic - just look at Total Mayhem
also, not lore
echo gate
or allows for 10 percent faster ult charge
yeah true sorry
so wait are health packs a common item or? what’s the science behind them?
pliant sparrow
Does soldier count as well since he heals
echo gate
so does that technically make him an off healer
zenith prawn
Wouldn't his healing just be a balanced ingame representation of his SSP enhancements to some extent?
peak escarp
he puts down a device that gives AoE healing
it's part of the gear he stole from Overwatch watchpoints
zenith prawn
I know that the device is AoE but isn't him having healing supposed to be somewhat representative of that?
The SSP enhancements I mean.
peak escarp
Soldier has passive regeneration
he doesn't have that in the game
but he does have it in the lore
limpid agate
Reaper also has anti-heal on his shotguns in the lore.
Or maybe its a dot? Kinda both I guess?
His shotguns are more than just damaging though. They cause necrotic wounds that Ana (who is admittedly poor at First Aid) couldnt do anything about.
peak escarp
a few heroes have canon abilities that aren't represented in the game
and vice versa
zenith prawn
What's the G-shaped symbol on Trace's pulse bomb?
It literally looks like whatever font they used for the google logo.
clever rivet
It's meant to be a clock iirc
zenith prawn
Wow that's very specific.
lament prawn
if the circle part of the G is supposed to be the trail of the hand, then its actually spinning backwards which is cool
nocturne coral
is vishkar evil?
grand wedge
Is the company as a whole entirely evil ? - Lucio seem's to think so - because of the control Vishkar has on his people and his father history with them - but we can't see the big pitcure. (we have no neutral point of view on Vishkar )
We just know that Sanjay Korpal, Symmera's boss - is seen with Talon members. And likely ordered to set fire to the favelas to win the building contract (it's heavily implied in the comic)
iron plume
so
yes
grand wedge
We don’t know if Sanjay is Vishkar CEO ? I don’t think it’s mentioned anywhere
iron plume
yep, we don't
but as a whole, even if it's not like
cartoonishly evil
it's still real-world evil
grand wedge
Corporation that only care for their own profit kind of evil ? Yeah that sounds pretty right
prime dome
They definitely have an Ingsoc/Big Brother/1984 thing going on though, with Symmetra saying something along the lines of 'Freedom is the ultimate slavery'
iron plume
more like general totalitarian shit
she says freedom is chaos
echo gate
I think the vishkar corporation is one of those cases where the workers are put under a false view of the company, made to believe they are doing what’s right for the world
while only the higher ups are in the loop about their true motive
it’s not outright “HEY GUYS IM AN EVIL CORPORATION AND I WORK WITH TALON”
sanjay seems cold and calculating
knowing how to manipulate others as shown in symm’s comic
heady hornet
tracer is gay
limpid agate
Correct.
peak escarp
no
because they haven't said so
that's not how evidence works
!!shitposting @obsidian basin
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grand bluff
@obsidian basin if you are not going to seriously discuss the lore, please go to #general-discussion
lament prawn
bait 101
grand bluff
Moving onwards.
opaque ruin
But tracer is gay
peak escarp
and?
livid onyx
👀
limpid agate
Here is something worth discussing.
Blizz made this shirt. Its on the Blizzard store
And, going clockwise from Ana
its all known support stuff
Ana, Mercy, Zen, Baptiste's tattoo, Mercy's wing, Moira, Lucio, Baptiste, Brig
And then... What is that
It looks like an atomic cletic knot
But that's not on any skin or icon or spray I recognize
This is Moira's knot
Which is similar
But different
So what am I looking at
Is this hero 32, a new Moira cosmetic, a hint to Overwatch 2 Moira design
What
iron plume
looks like unused moira concept to me
unless they really are making yet another support with a celtic scientist theme
valid terrace
Maybe Moira created life?
Either through the obvious means or artificially
It really is just a bigger version of the knot tho
valid terrace
Or maybe it’s a symbol for Oasis that is influenced by Moira?
rose pecan
either moira or maybe related to echo
they offer a poster with echo already so why not a support where we know she will be a new support hero
valid terrace
It would be an odd choice for an Echo symbol but I guess we don’t know much about her
rose pecan
if it isnt then htere are some possibilities:
3 circles around a centric area: atom, electrons around the proton core on eliptic curves
bright blue one reminds me of the symmetra teleport symbol
3 white dots can be the electrons but as well planets circling
brisk hinge
i have a question
how can Reinhardt charge into a whole wall without any minor/major dents in his armor?!!??!?!
and no scrapes either
like-
worthy rose
Future technology is probably the answer
Also we do know the armor does get damaged. Reinhardt wears his old armor quite frequently and it's fallen apart over the years
rose pecan
from the comic with reinhardt and brigitte we see that it gets damaged and that she helps him repair it
brisk hinge
Your right
worthy rose
He's been wearing that same armor since he was a crusader for 20+ years at the very least;
rose pecan
considering the future it would be something newly enhanced
peak escarp
that icon on the shirt looks like an atom to me
echo gate
maybe echo is nuclear
errant glen
then she'd be green 🙄
echo gate
I can’t tell if you’re serious or not
worthy rose
He's not and also it's unknown or unseen if echo is nuclear powered
echo gate
yeah i’m speculating
limpid agate
Or maybe it’s a symbol for Oasis that is influenced by Moira?
I didn't check that
Lemme check that now
Nope. Just a Ministry logo
worthy rose
What
valid terrace
shirt
zealous stream
What weapon would be great for a new hero (besides echo and sojourn)
pliant sparrow
Wouldn't mind seeing a musical instrument as a weapon
worthy rose
oh wait we have that
gusty glade
Basically
clever rivet
A railgun, maybe?
pliant sparrow
Railgun seems like it'd be a tank weapon
peak escarp
why does everyone want a railgun?
that's the most common weapon I see on fan hero concepts
valid terrace
Some sort of tether based hero could be new
limpid agate
Railguns are iconic.
Since this is the lore channel
I want to see a playable version of the Eradicator. Brig is not comparable enough.
pliant sparrow
I want to see a guitar weapon
limpid agate
@pliant sparrow When you say guitar weapon, do you mean like:
- The guitar is a weapon (Eg: Elite Tauren Chieftain from Warcraft) https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/heroesofthestorm/images/0/09/ETC_box_art.png/revision/latest?cb=20170714210315
- The guitar is hiding a gun (Eg: Ukyou from Senran Kagura) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/295586890797678592/661018964771471379/D2ETMcYX4AIun1J.jpg
- Its literally just a guitar (Eg: Eddie from Brutul Legend) https://truefire.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/brutal-legend-eddie-rigs-battleaxe-box-artwork.jpg
zenith prawn
The guitar damages enemies by playing it. Not the guitar doubles as a weapon, it is a weapon.
iron plume
isn't it pretty much just a melee in brütal though
iron plume
ah aight that was a while ago
limpid agate
You play riffs to do magic
That's also the game where Lemmy heals by playing bass.
Which is similar to Lucio.
iron plume
yeah
white cobalt
I was about to said a instrument doesn't fit in the futuristic science fiction, but i remember Lucio
iron plume
lucio is basically "magic musical weapon" wrapped in realistic-ish sounding technobabble
limpid agate
I think that's all we are gonna get
iron plume
yep
limpid agate
If we get something else itll be like the ETC or Ukyou examples.
And even tehn
Probably just a skin.
iron plume
gangster ashe should've had a violin case smh
white cobalt
The only way I could see is if the guitar have a cast to some zombie omnic and meele
white cobalt
Yeah, a puppet or more like similar to Bob as ult
zealous stream
I was thinking of a minigun
limpid agate
Mauga
limpid agate
Id rather not get more melee weapons
As for besides Mauga, that would be asking for a third minigun hero
Because Bastion has one
white panther
Steve Irwin with a boomerang??
worthy rose
That would be nasty to implement on the returning bit, plus interactions with deflect and matrix. I could see something that you throw/place down and have to retrieve before the CD starts, but that's a bit outside the scope of this channel.
peak escarp
a boomerang/throwable weapon would be terrible to play
they tried it with Reinhardt
imagine not being able to do anything until your weapon returned
peak escarp
even then - as a McCree main I feel that pain
none of the characters we've seen look like they'd have a thrown weapon, do they?
maybe that mystery shuriken silhouette that is coming in OW2
worthy rose
what if torb could throw his hammer to repear his turrent because turret is so expendable its usually not worth it to walk over to it to repair it, and hammer doesnt have much uses beside repairing turrent
limpid agate
Reminder this is the lore channel. I think we got too off topic
marsh dirge
dont u think Echo, symetra, and atheana have the same color skeem?
spice hornet
anyone know Ashe's backstory and how she knows Mcree?
iron plume
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iron plume
should pretty much cover it
mccree was another leader in the same gang before being arrested by OW and joining them
worthy rose
@twilit nacelle
dusty granite
!!loreheroes mcree
iron plume
It’s not dead, it’s restricted by role
worthy rose
only thy trusted ones can use it
barren palm
Question: Is there any correlation between the Petras Act that outlawed Overwatch, and Petra (The in-game location)?
Just something that clicked into my mind to ask.
pliant sparrow
That was where it was signed, at least I think it was
peak escarp
there hasn't been any connection stated
the Petras Act was named for Director Petras, who was overseeing Overwatch when it fell
Petra is a real place
limpid agate
Petra is a real place in Jordan that you have seen in at least one movie
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Mortal Kombat 2, the new Aladdin movie, The Mummy, one of the Transformers movies (the one set in Egypt)
barren palm
Ah. It seemed like there would have been some connection. Too deliberate of a name, you know?
peak escarp
Director Petras is named after actual OW dev Bill Petras
no connection to the location
brisk hinge
barren palm
Alrighty, then. That just brings up the question of what inspired Petra as an in-game map. 🤔
peak escarp
it's an interesting-looking location
brisk hinge
It's based off a middle eastern landmark
peak escarp
and there seems to be some excavation going on there
brisk hinge
i forgot the name
peak escarp
the laptops throughout the map have conversations between archaeologists on them
Hamid Faisal is among them
barren palm
That name is unfamiliar to me.
limpid agate
To the important question, I think he is important.
peak escarp
limpid agate
He was mentioned by name by Ana in Bastet.
peak escarp
limpid agate
And his archeology guild is tied to many digsites.
Aside from the obvious Petra
There is also Ilios, Ayutthaya, and... I cannot remember if there was another.
brisk hinge
Oh ok
brisk hinge
Ok
limpid agate
So he may have ties to Overwatch too.
I think he is important, and that he will become a hero
But we've heard nothing since Bastet.
barren palm
I don't know why, but I don't trust the name Faisal. It just sounds... villain.
brisk hinge
How tf does Brigitte's passive "inspire" works?!
barren palm
That's like asking how Lucio's healing works, in my book. I just roll with it. 😐
peak escarp
she inspires people in battle, which gives them strength to power through their injuries
she doesn't actually heal with it
barren palm
So Brigitte gives everyone an adrenaline rush. Confirmed.
barren palm
Both her allies, and the enemies running from her.
brisk hinge
lmao
barren palm
It all makes sense now...
barren palm
The crazy long nails are only on the right hand, so I'm assuming she's a lefty.
brisk hinge
Lol
barren palm
As for the why... you got me.
I'm still asking about the face piece, but that's the low-hanging fruit of lore questions.
brisk hinge
What's the point of those nails
I think the face plate was caused by an accident
Maybe she was playing with the biotic grasp energy that turned reaper into what he is
Now
I think it just spilled on her right eye
idek
That's my theory
barren palm
She does like taking risks... 🤔
brisk hinge
barren palm
If her gameplay trailer is anything to speculate on... The run, the JoJo finger point when Soldier calls her out. The fact her ult is a freaking Kamehameha...
peak escarp
gameplay isn't lore
barren palm
Keyword being "speculate"
peak escarp
we haven't seen her do anything anime-ish in the lore
brisk hinge
How does sigma float
I think he harnested the power off gravity
Maybe he can control gravity?
In his ult, he actually does
noble field
Im a bit tardy to the party again on another topic discussed earlier about "factions"
If they ever want to do that and make an even amount...
it would be Overwatch, Talon, Helix, and maybe Null Sector.
worthy rose
They already have the concept art for at least one Null Sector hero.
noble field
ah really?
worthy rose
And Helix is probably coming in mostly as an NPC faction, because we might want to be the baddies without killing any named characters.
noble field
this may be off topic real quick but I REALLY want to see what Pharah's new look will look like
idk why im just kinda excited about everyones new look
worthy rose
Fat dude, Zenyatta with halo, and Robo-Moira could all be heroes.
worthy rose
They were basically remnants from the Omnic Crisis
barren palm
They're an Omnic extremist group.
worthy rose
Probably went into hiding and found somewhere to make the massive mothership between Uprising and Zero Hour.
limpid agate
We don't know their origins
If they are related to the first crisis omnics or not
They just showed up one day.
noble field
Hmmmm
worthy rose
huh
barren palm
Honestly, what I would like explained if who created the FIRST Omnic.
limpid agate
Omnica
worthy rose
Yes. If they aren't from the Omnic Crisis, I'd be very interested in seeing who made them. It looks like Talon didn't make them, which implies something else
noble field
never heard of Omnica.
barren palm
^
worthy rose
It's the corporation that started this whole mess by creating sentient robots. They went out of business before the Omnic Crisis IIRC.
barren palm
Coincidence...?
worthy rose
If they weren't out of business, the omniums would still be in use and whoever restarted them wouldn't be able to do it in secret.
limpid agate
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limpid agate
Overwatch is Back
Under the News Reports section
Has all the history you need.
Read that.
barren palm
Who put them out, then? Simple failure of business, or something else... How much you want to bet that Talon got them out of the picture to set up for the first Crisis. Doomfist might have been setting up the dominoes farther back than we think.
worthy rose
We don't know if Talon even existed back then. Doomfist wasn't around, and I'm not sure we have a clear idea of what their goals were before Doomfist took over.
peak escarp
the current Doomfist only came to power about 8 years ago
limpid agate
The first Doomfist also didn't exist until after the first crisis.
The current one is the third, and only became Doomfist 8 years ago
grand wedge
Wasn’t the first Doomfist a war hero? I thought he fought the crisis? He was called « the Savior »
frosty shell
Omnica went out of business because of some sort of fraud
peak escarp
they couldn't meet the numbers they promised to deliver
What came next is well-documented. The omniums began to break down. Independent analysis showed they would never come close to meeting the corporation's promises of growth and output. Omnica was investigated and forcibly dissolved after evidence of fraud was uncovered, its omniums shut down.
worthy rose
Unfortunate
pliant sparrow
Would've expected such a massively profitable company to be smarter with their targets
iron plume
well the whole thing seems like they actually weren’t profitable
fringe blade
I am not sure if this is already known or not, but I was watching some OW videos and Papa Jeff confirmed that Overwatch happens 60 years in the future
limpid agate
~60
teal meadow
i'm afraid just overwatch agents will have a redesign
lavish jetty
What’s wrong with a redesign?
iron plume
@teal meadow Where are you getting this? They mentioned all heroes getting new looks
and the site just says "heroes"
teal meadow
heroes like sigma that are fresh can't get a redising, also brigitte doesn't have one
iron plume
sigma that are fresh can't get a redising
why exactly?
he'll be over a year old by that point, and it doesn't have to be major
just fitting the style more
and brigitte doesn't have one yet
plus she's clearly being set up to be an OW agent so your distinction doesn't make much sense
meanwhile we have a much lesser suggestion for it for Lucio, but he does have a confirmed redesign
lament prawn
jeff also teased that people were gonna like the moira redesign, so its not just OW agents
its all of them
slate siren
They are not redesigns more like new shadders work + legendary skins with OW2
iron plume
they're redesigns of base skins
if we're talking extent of the changes, for some it's even less than legendaries
but the whole point is that their "normal" look is different
that's what a redesign is
slate siren
Classic skins still will be in OW2
teal meadow
i hope i can costumize them with skins even on story mode, cause i want the classic rein to be canon in my gameplay lol
i can't get used to that beard
worthy rose
Yes
devout sable
@peak escarp the great irony there is that in regards to lore, the sequence of events there is extremely vague and not well-documented at all
peak escarp
yeah
lament prawn
i'd consider them legendary in terms of effort, considering the models have pretty significant changes
i'd say it's arguably just as challenging to find a balance between something that's not too far from the original, fitting the character's personality as it is to come up with a crazy fantasy skin
they're also much more relevant than other lore skins so they need to be perfected
limpid agate
Wrong channel
echo gate
ah you’re right must’ve cllicked the wrong one my b
ivory cedar
Tracer is lesbian right
zenith prawn
Yes
timid eagle
Yes.
limpid agate
She is British
echo gate
yeah ik it’s a vine reference
the one we’re the girl goes “i’m lesbian” to her brother and he goes “i thought you were american?”
anyways moira redesign!!
limpid agate
What about it
orchid swan
wat?
silk lion
grand bluff
!!lfg @silk lion
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worthy rose
Hi, I just got Overwatch and am interested in the lore. What are the best official resources to learn about the lore?
peak escarp
most of the released origin stories, animated shorts, comics and short stories can be found here
if you want a list that includes all the little bits released in blog posts and tweets, I have a database set up
aside from that, the people here are (mostly) informative and can answer any questions you have
worthy rose
Wow...that document is EXACTLY what I'm looking for.
peak escarp
you're welcome
worthy rose
Have any novels/books/comics been released physically?
peak escarp
the first 12 comics were released in an anthology
there is a novel coming out later this year that will have a hard copy
worthy rose
Oooh
peak escarp
special limited release versions of some of the other comics were sent out to youtubers/influencers
you might be able to find them for sale online but they're $$$
there's also the Art of Overwatch artbook, which includes concept art produced up to 2017
worthy rose
But that stuff is all available for free digitally, right?
peak escarp
most of it, yes
I think the novel will be the first thing that's not available for free
oh - there's also a cookbook, but the lore in there is minimal and is mostly stuff we already knew
noble field
Is the stuff in the cook book considered canon? Or is that was a bunch of goofy stuff for shits and giggles?
becasue I got the cook book for Christmas lul
frosty shell
Some of it probably is
It says that Torbjörn's wife Ingrid is a chemical engineer, which we didn't know before
peak escarp
Michael Chu was a consultant on the book, so it's probably canon
noble field
Speaking of Micheal Chu. (I've asked this before and i think i forgot what everyone said), but i hear that people really dislike Michael Chu.
Some people say hes too fan-servicey, and just not a good writer. I just want to know if thats just bullshit gossip or whatever
peak escarp
a lot of it is just shippers being mad that he wont support their ships