Right
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
that's a complicated one, because "Orisa" is the personality module Efi installed in the dead OR15
she remembers being defeated, but she isn't the same omnic "person"
compare Orisa and Genji
Orisa was changed on the inside, but remained (mostly) the same on the outside
Genji changed on the outside, but stayed the same in the inside
brave tinsel
deep
zenith prawn
What are all the missiles in WPG for, and what about the rocket?
limpid agate
The rocket sends a satellite into space
Winston used that rocket to broadcast the Recall signal
Everything in the hangar is just old Overwatch supplies
zenith prawn
Where are they supposed to launch the missiles from?
Did Overwatch ever have ships?
Or is there an Ageis Ashore that no one’s telling me about?
spark scaffold
There might be something true about the overwatch navy thing
If you look back into the early days of overwatch when it was in development one of the designs for the map was a underwater sea base
There could of been swimming in the game
But that dream is gone now we have Rialto
limpid agate
1 - The sea base is Non-Canon
2 - It was in Galapagos
3 - We don't know whose it was. (OW, Talon, Helix, some othet nonexistent org)
4 -Rialto has absolutely nothing to do with it
If you mentioned Rialto just for the "swimming" gimmick (which would be poor in practice, it would be an indoor map like HLC), it's not the first map with water
You can drown in Volskaya or Oasis for example.
spark scaffold
- I know it is not in the game but I could off meant swimming could of been a thing as it was underwater
2.ok
3.O.K
4.Rialto to was a joke and even if the map if it was mainly indoors there could of been an outside area like horizon lunar colony
- Stop immediately shutting down every comment I post
peak escarp
this is a channel for discussion
Jewvia is just providing counterpoints
I don't think a swimming mechanic would work in Overwatch
maybe they could do it like Horizon, where outside the building is low gravity to simulate the buoyancy of water
valid terrace
Maybe we’ll get some ice in Toronto where everyone does the Lúcio slide
But that’s likely the closest we’re getting
maybe a story mission where the specific characters would be able to but I doubt it
worthy rose
To be fair, Jewvia does come off as rude and condescending to a lot of people @spark scaffold - Just ignore it I guess.
valid terrace
Mods generally have to be that way as it makes their job way easier
If your boss had no backbone your workplace would be a mess
rose pecan
besides of rio de janeiro (lucio), sweden (torb, brig), toronto(soujourn) (and the "South East Asian"/ Indian map that was shortly teased (utopaea? symmetra))
you guys think they will explore more places related to already existing characters? (Swiss for mercy, ireland for moira, netherlands for sigma)
limpid agate
Would you prefer this was a wasteland of shitposts and unchecked nonsense, or a place where posts are deconstructed and discussed
If you want to make jokes or make poor statements without being criticized, you're in the wrong place. This is a discussion channel. Your say something, it gets discussrd. You say something wrong, people tell you that it's wrong.
There's nothing wrong with being wrong.
There is everything wrong with being stubborn and defensive when you are.
lavish elm
Lore only
limpid agate
@rose pecan Maybe. Aside from those 3, who else is missing a map?
lavish elm
Doomfiat if you don't count numbani
limpid agate
His predecessor was
Not him
Doomfist 1 was the savior of Numbani, Doomfist 2 was its scourge
Akande is just a successor to the title. He hasn't done much that we know of since he took over
Other than steal back his gauntlet
lavish elm
If there's gonna be an Ireland map it should be a Derry push map
If there's gonna be an Ireland map it should be a Derry push map
If there's gonna be an Ireland map it should be a Derry push map
Why did that happen three times
rose pecan
true yes, but i would love to see a dublin map
lavish elm
Nah fam. You want a Derry map. Such a historically rich city
lavish elm
plus you basically have the greatest push/payload map on Derry walls
limpid agate
Other than Junkertown
lavish elm
Detroit or East China Sea
zenith prawn
Lore only, please.
peak escarp
I wanted a Vancouver payload map, but I guess I'll have to settle for Toronto as the Canadian rep
limpid agate
I'm just glad its not Quebec
peak escarp
true
the lore locations I'd like the most are Rio and Utopaea, and it seems like we're getting both
The Swiss HQ or Singapore would be nice as deathmatch maps
limpid agate
Or the museum
peak escarp
ooh yeah
a good throwback
I can't think of anywhere else I'd like to see as main maps though
limpid agate
Updated with new exhibits
To show off newer lore creations
As well as other characters we may or may not ever see
peak escarp
we've got a few heroes without maps, but also a few maps without heroes
limpid agate
Like Paris
peak escarp
Paris, Ilios, Hollywood, Petra
Ayutthaya
Lijiang Towers? It's in China, but isn't really associated with Mei
limpid agate
Its more tied to Winston. Maybe Sigma. But neither have been there personally afaik.
peak escarp
could kinda be related to Sigma or Winston through Lucheng
but that's a big stretch
Havana
peak escarp
yeah I guess
timid eagle
That map seems to be reserved for the crossover cosmetics, if anything.
And, I personally like it that not every hero has a map associated with their home.
frosty shell
The museum is likely in America though, and a fourth map in America would probably be overkill
limpid agate
What makes it likely in America
Rather than in Switzerland
Is Switzerland, home to OW HQ, less likely than America, home to Jack and Reyes, as the location for the Overwatch museum
tidal mirage
Okay what are you guys talking about
peak escarp
the museum seen in the Cinematic Trailer
it seems like America because of the inept security guard
limpid agate
Seems like a silly reason
peak escarp
also the two boys seem American to me, but they could be tourists
limpid agate
There is nothing saying they can't be European.
zenith prawn
It would be pretty cool to have the museum as a map.
green tree
Amsterdam is also a good place for the lore for sigma
green tree
nederlands?
worthy rose
ja zekkers
green tree
lekker pik
frosty shell
Sigma's from the Hague tho
worthy rose
ìs he
frosty shell
Pretty sure he is
peak escarp
Siebren de Kuiper, Age: 62
Occupation: Astrophysicist
Base of Operations: The Hague, Netherlands (formerly)
Affiliation: Talon```
spice lake
Amsterdam is nogal typisch, denk je niet?
limpid agate
I hope OW2 brings improvements in that regard
peak escarp
even just use that space where the little description blurb is on the hero gallery
expand that one sentence description to a few paragraphs plus bullet points for age, nationality and allegiances
valid terrace
Is Bastion’s default skin canon?
clever rivet
Yes as it was in the comic "Binary"
valid terrace
Ah for some reason I misremembered him as orange my bad
timid eagle
@valid terrace Technically, his "Classic" skin is basically a weathered and sun bleached version of the Omnic Crisis skin.
peak escarp
Bastion's Classic skin is after Torbjorn gave it some upgrades
pliant sparrow
It’s also his appearance in the last bastion
Probably due to paint being stripped away over time
Well, same colour pallet
graceful oasis
Hey guys what it's the real name of Sombra??
peak escarp
Olivia Colomar
eternal hollow
do you just know all of the overwatch characters names off the top of your head?
🤔
iron plume
there’s what, 31
it’s not that hard
peak escarp
and this is why I wish the hero bios were in the game
knowing their names and ages shouldn't be impressive
it should be basic knowledge, like knowing how much damage their weapons do
iron plume
most people don’t know that either lmao
noble field
OW2 should add in hero bios
iron plume
at least not to the extent they think they do
peak escarp
that's another gripe I have - damage numbers should be included in the hero info page
people shouldn't have to try to do math to figure it out
but yes
hero bios need to be in the game for OW2, especially since it will have a story section
devout sable
there are some full names that I can't remember
like those of Ashe, Baptiste, or Sigma
mostly the more recent ones
peak escarp
Elizabeth Caledonia Ashe (with "Calamity" as a nickname she never uses)
Jean-Baptiste Augustine (I remember his because of the short story)
Dr. Seibren de Kuiper (remembered because of the Kuiper Belt)
I get more tripped up on ages, since a few seem older/younger than they are
like Zarya, Symmetra, Widowmaker
Symmetra and Zarya are both 28
clever rivet
*Siebren and Augustin
lavish elm
lore only
bronze tapir
can't wait for winter games
limpid agate
!!loreOnly
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
balmy swallow
But it is interesting o see if we get new lore for christmas though
unlikelynew gameplay stuff, but hopefully we get a one-pager for lore
or maybe lore related skin
peak escarp
maybe
paper marten
so what role will hammond have in OW2?
paper marten
huh
limpid agate
I don't think Hammond will be one to make the cut
limpid agate
So my predicted list of characters not in the story are:
Ashe, Junkrat, McCree, Pharah^, Roadhog, Sigma, Hammond, Zarya
^ - Pharah is either in or out depending on if Helix is a faction that we will get to fight or not.
If we get to fight Helix, Pharah is in. Otherwise, she is out.
paper marten
zarya will join Overwatch
limpid agate
Helix would give us an excuse to play Talon, as well as make the Petras Act from way back then relevant
I don't think Russia would accept Overwatch.
They rejected them in the first Crisis
I don't think they'll go there this time
paper marten
i really wanted a 50+ mine field with hammond as an ability for pve :/
limpid agate
You can still play him in hero missions
paper marten
yeah i know
limpid agate
I just think he won't be in the cinematic story.
peak escarp
I don't think McCree should be excluded
limpid agate
I think that was the whole point of Reunion.
peak escarp
they said we'll be seeing more if him
limpid agate
McCree won't be there, so he sends Echo in his place.
If we see more of him, it'll be in hero missions
peak escarp
in the "What's Next" panel
limpid agate
I think that, other than maybe Sigma, every one of those heroes will get a Hero Mission.
paper marten
i think junkrat should be in since he has some thing important
that maybe the omnics want
peak escarp
every hero will get hero missions
limpid agate
Not every hero will get a hero mission
But every hero will be playable in them
And "seeing more of him" means more than just "in the story"
peak escarp
that's what the devs said
limpid agate
Could be a short story, a comic, hero missions, etc.
paper marten
and what about symetra?
limpid agate
Symmetra is very likely to be in the story. One of the destinations is India.
paper marten
scrap metal
peak escarp
and the Junkers would fight them
paper marten
lots of parts
peak escarp
there are easier sources of scrap metal and parts
paper marten
maybe even repair the omnium
peak escarp
the omnium that went nuclear and has been converted into a city?
paper marten
yeah
paper marten
it would be a “safe zone” for null sector because of the radiation
killing any humans nearby
peak escarp
it hasn't killed the Junkers
paper marten
because they adapted
peak escarp
other humans would adapt
paper marten
but the humans outside didnt
peak escarp
the Australian omnium was abandoned to the Junkers because it was worthless
limpid agate
Before picking random locations
Its important to look at
Why they are attacking them
They are all places where omnics and humans live in debatable peace.
They have nothing to gain from attacking places like South Korea, Russia, or Australia
paper marten
they want to separe humans from omnics
limpid agate
Their bigger targets would be places like Japan, Numbani, or America.
paper marten
besides those squid robots already attack korea
peak escarp
they're called Gwishin
paper marten
i know i just dont know how to write it since im spanish
and in the spanish version they call them guisin
so sorry
peak escarp
close enough
south kiln
I’ll be your Mei and you can be my McCree. Let’s get freaky
peak escarp
how about no
limpid agate
McCree and Mei have never met.
balmy swallow
unlikely null sector will go to junkertown, unless that "treasure" is extremely valuable to the omnics
There is nothing of value over there except for ecraps.
and everyone in junkertown is more than happy to destroy any omnic in sight.
we do not know if mei mccree have met before
but even if they did it would not be anything long and substential
while mei/mccree are both ow members, they designation is extremly different
peak escarp
we generally assume that if we haven't seen it happen or been told it happened, then it didn't happen
balmy swallow
there is no reason they would have to interact
would say they know each other due to fame, but not personally
that said, highl likely Winston-Mei know each other before frozen though
balmy swallow
not jsut that
everyone in the world recognize winston, i mean how many moon born gorilla that talks do you have
but the drawings on winston and what not at the base too
Also, we know rein met mei first time in the "ice to meet you" incident
so it is for sure mei is quite unknown to the ow innercircles
spark scaffold
!!toxicity
valid terrace
Besides likely getting predator, do you think any other NS heroes could be in the works?
worthy rose
?
peak escarp
possibly
valid terrace
I think an eradicator type tank could be fun
Maybe with a rounder shield
I’d like to see what the mindset of their soldiers looks like
Like if they are a hive or just a group of Omnics that upgraded themselves
limpid agate
Eradicators are uniquely the only Null Sector omnic we haven't seen yet
!!wiki Null_Sector
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Null_Sector
limpid agate
Other than Bastion/Orisa of course.
There is no Eradicator function that we have seen yet.
valid terrace
Either way they’re still canon
Might make even more sense to be a discontinued model that doesn’t appear in pve anymore
limpid agate
Historically canon
But they don't seem to exist present day
Making an eradicator hero unlikely, in my opinion.
Null Sector is in a weird place, where they have a pile of units and no corresponding heroes
Whereas to counter that
Talon's known unit pool has mostly corresponding heroes
And all 3 units that are confirmed for OW2 have a corresponding hero
Sniper - Widow
Trooper - Baptiste
Heavy - Mauga (In development)
valid terrace
Technically we have 2 Null Sector heroes
They just don’t have anything to do with it
limpid agate
Yes, but in their case, they are quite literally the hero.
Whereas the trooper/sniper are not quite literally Baptiste or Widow
valid terrace
Fair
peak escarp
2 null sector heroes?
peak escarp
ah
devout fjord
Is the eichenwalde castle based on any real place
craggy wharf
Castle is based on Hohenzollern Castle I believe
wispy thicket
Where was Ashe born? I know she’s from a southern state in the U.S. because of the accent but specifically?
peak escarp
there are hints that she's from Texas
oil rigs in the background, bluebonnets in the foreground
clever rivet
She's from Arizona
peak escarp
source?
her base of operations is Deadlock Gorge, Arizona
doesn't say she's from there
devout sable
oh, these are oil rigs
I was wondering why she's got medieval catapults in her backyard
peak escarp
Twitter
for example, Symmetra's base of operations is Utopaea, India, but she was born in Hyderabad, India
it's these
and bluebonnets for reference:
worthy rose
Tfw doc knows more about your state than you do
peak escarp
google is your friend
dense estuary
I mean TX sure would check off a few tropes, Shes got a cowboy/girl vibe and is a mean shot with her Winchester
prime dome
That and her mugshot
noble field
Hey Doc can you tell about my state ohio and how the fuck it snows 4 inches in November?
jk
balmy swallow
whatever it is ashe is big on the rich spoiled brat of some plantation owner vibe
foggy hull
i love when it does actually manage to snow here in ohio
we've had what, 3 christmas's in a row now with either rain or sun
cerulean hornet
"Lore discussion"
vale orchid
Insert !loreonly here
peak escarp
yes, we discuss lore
worthy rose
@normal mango
iron plume
stop randomly pinging people here
iron plume
don't do it in this channel or you won't be here for long
worthy rose
witch channel?
iron plume
lore discussion
the one about lore
worthy rose
ok
opaque tundra
Is omnic energy a physical substance or just light? What even is omnic energy in the first place?
I've theorized that omnic energy is a life source
Kinda like blood
I've noticed while looking at other omnics that blue is a very common color on headlights
And on Luna's body
Max and Bob are unique
Their different colors could just be a design choice honestly
peak escarp
they probably are
reef imp
I have something that could be potential inspiration for a character. Does that count as something I should post in here or should I go to general
zenith prawn
General.
left hamlet
How old would Orisa be by Overwatch 2?
limpid agate
1 month
left hamlet
So the doomfist attacks were post-recall?
limpid agate
Yes
peak escarp
in the comic Masquerade Reaper tells Doomfist about getting part of the Overwatch database, which we saw in Recall @left hamlet
he also talks about the events of Alive and Infiltration
opaque tundra
Ow 2 takes place a year after recall so Orisa would be one year old
limpid agate
No, she wouldn't
She wasn't alive when the Recall went off
She was created after Masquerade
Which was long after Recall
peak escarp
Orisa was created closer to Zero Hour than to Recall
she was created around March/April of the year after Recall
opaque tundra
hopefully the novel will clarify this
peak escarp
hopefully
valid terrace
Do doom and soldier have any canon opinions on each other besides the implied connections?
peak escarp
Jack thinks Akande deserves to be taken down along with the rest of Talon, but we haven't heard their personal opinions on each other
valid terrace
I figured as much but just thought I’d confirm
spark scaffold
All of the comics story's and shorts are about the same time of the recall unless its implied it's before the recall
mystic summit
[New Lore]
grand wedge
Damn @peak escarp you're here too ^^
cunning spade
we need a lucio lore :(
valid terrace
He’s going to be in the ow2 story and the Orisa book
zinc vector
@eve-
valid terrace
Do you guys think the regifted emote for Sombra implies that Zarya sent her a christmas gift?
The robot is the same as from Zarya’s Christmas emote and the name of it points that out
It could also just be a gag using the only other present opening emote that doesn’t involve puppies
iron plume
the emote is called “regifted”
it’s obviously intentional
but I doubt it’s got lore implications
valid terrace
Forgot about that, my bad
peak escarp
some might not feature at all
Symmetra has a connection through Sanjay, so she might get featured
the Junkers probably won't unless they somehow become involved in the overall plot
valid terrace
There will likely be some new shorts and comics in the months after the release as well, since ow2 will give them some much needed funds for their artists
foggy notch
Still theres no release date?
noble field
I personally am gonna keep my expectations low for the release and say probs Q2 2021
around the same time in 2016 when OW1 came out
chilly peak
Imo they won't release OW2 during OWL season
peak escarp
that's why I guessed holiday 2020 or spring 2021
limpid agate
Spring 2021 is mid-OWL
peak escarp
I mean winter 2021
limpid agate
Do you mean January
Because OWL typically runs from February to August
And then finals follow
October-January is when OWL is off
peak escarp
really?
I didn't realize OWL started so early
I thought it didn't start until March
limpid agate
Feb
peak escarp
huh
limpid agate
So it looks to me like
peak escarp
then yeah, holiday 2020 is the best bet
limpid agate
BlizzCon 202X
Release date following that, but before American Thanksgiving
peak escarp
depends how far along they are, but I can't see it being later than 2021
clever rivet
Fall 2020 or Fall 2021 is most likely
zealous stream
If you think about it, most people in this server are older than all of the overwatch characters
peak escarp
if you mean "were born before the Overwatch characters" then yes
everyone in the server was born long before any of them were born
zealous stream
Yeah sorry
zealous stream
Sigma would be born on 2014, making him the oldest character in the Overwatch universe, since it takes place in the 2070s, 2076 to be exact.
zealous stream
2076 would be much accurate just saying
zealous stream
Yeah
peak escarp
so we should avoid treating it like it is
otherwise people will call it a retcon when we get the real year and it turns out to be different
peak escarp
why does it matter?
peak escarp
whether Sigma was born in 2014 or 2020 or 2016 he's still 61 in present day OW
so his year of birth doesn't matter
zealous stream
Yeah but we'll find out sooner or later
zealous stream
Maybe
peak escarp
the only hero whose year of "birth" is important is Orisa
zealous stream
Yeah she's like 1 month old
peak escarp
because she was created the year after Recall
zealous stream
Yeah
peak escarp
which is the same year OW2 is set in
zealous stream
This server feels lonely
peak escarp
all the regulars aren't here
zealous stream
Yeah we need more people discussing about this
Anyways you know that every character is getting a new look?
What do you think your favorite hero would like?
peak escarp
I hope McCree's look shows that he used to be in black-ops
something a little more serious
peak escarp
so far I like the direction they're taking with the designs
they tell a bit of the story through visual design, like Tracer looking more modern and mature, or Torbjorn looking like he's gone into retirement and adopting Bastion
and Genji being able to accept himself
limpid agate
Some of them tell a story
Some of them are Mercy/Winston/Lucio
Even Tracer feels like a poor example
Mei/Torb/Bastion/Genji feel like they have developed storywise with their skins
The other 4... Less so.
peak escarp
the bit about Tracer comes from the Blizzcon panel where they talked about it
peak escarp
I didn't really pick up on it until they mentioned it
limpid agate
Rein has armor made by Brig.
So I guess that's fine
I forget if Winston got a new skin or not
limpid agate
Okay so
Winston/Mercy/Lucio/Tracer all look like, if they have any story excuse for the redesign, is mostly a handwave "time has passed" kind of thing.
Because Tracer looks more or less the same as she did 7 years ago, in terms of character
She certainly doesn't seem more mature
peak escarp
she did to me, but maybe it's because she wasn't smiling as much as she was in her default pose for OW1
limpid agate
I will say
Their outfits look more like armor
And less like clothes
Universally
Other than Genji, of course
limpid agate
But that's kind of the point for him. And Torb too.
peak escarp
yeah
based on using storytelling to dictate design choices, I'd expect Zarya's redesign to look more military
pastel plank
But why would genji need clothes
limpid agate
Because he is able to accept himself as human
pastel plank
I streak the whole time
opaque tundra
I don't Orisa will change much
It's a little weird to me that they would redesign new characters like Baptiste and Sigma
peak escarp
if Echo gets released for OW1, she'll get a redesign too
zealous stream
I wonder what soldier would look like 
pastel plank
Deleted
limpid agate
!!shitposting @pastel plank
twilit nacelleBOT
@pastel plank Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
pastel plank
Oh shit
prime dome
Do newspapers actually copyright their papers the year they are printed? Because the newspaper in Havana that teased Storm Rising has a copyright of 2060
peak escarp
they removed the copyright date on it
but when it was originally posted it did have ©️ 2060
they probably realized it was a mistake
iron plume
Mercy’s change is “the armor is actually new instead of one that was i a storage crate for 5 years”
worthy rose
Probably more like "Torbjorn gave it an update". That armor is probably expensive, so it's probably easier to upgrade than start from scratch.
iron plume
may well be
I’m just saying it’s not just “time passed”
torb is probably pretty loaded tho
limpid agate
“the armor is actually new instead of one that was i a storage crate for 5 years”
is exactly just “time passed"
iron plume
yes, it’s exactly the same as lucio getting a new haircut
🙄
and totally different from mei getting a less puffy coat
frosty shell
Lucio's new hair might get explained in the Numbani story
limpid agate
Mei went from having a coat to armor
Mercy went from having armor to different armor
Its the same transition as Tracer or Winston
Its not the same transition as Mei, who went from having clothes to armor.
Lucio, I'll at least concede, also went from clothes to armor.
You could argue its the same for Tracer and Winston. Battle Clothes/Space Suit vs Slightly More Reasonable Battle Clothes/Space Suit
worthy rose
Can’t wait for Bastion to wear a hat
iron plume
so mercy’s problem is that she... already had armor?
there’s grasping at straws and there’s this
limpid agate
I don't understand your point
iron plume
I don’t understand yours
how is getting more reasonable clothes story progression while getting an upgraded armor isn’t
limpid agate
A lot of the OW2 skins are just handwaived as "time passed" without much more meaning to it, while others are meant to reflect the heroes new positions in the story or their characterization.
Mei gained armor because she became a combatant
Torbjorn lost his armor because he is retired
Bastion is wearing Torb's hat because he is now Torb's pet.
Genji is wearing clothes because he is at peace with who he is now.
iron plume
Genji’s been at peace during ow1
limpid agate
Tracer/Winston/Mercy are just wearing upgraded armor based on their old armor. They are more or less the same, time just passed.
Genji's been naked since ~6 years ago.
iron plume
Mercy’s cast off the preconceptions of her work from old overwatch
if you wanna play this game
and also lore wise she’s not been wearing the old one either
but that’s neither here nor there
limpid agate
She has been. She wore it in Valkyrie
iron plume
once
limpid agate
And Zero Hour
limpid agate
Which is 2/3 of her present day appearances.
Make that 3/3.
Though I will concede its Reflections
And the artist takes a lot of liberties
But she is, for some mystifying reason, wearing her Valkyrie suit under her scrubs.
iron plume
we know it’s not true from the story
limpid agate
Nonetheless, Mercy wearing the Valkyrie 2.0 is no less a sign of character progression as Winston wearing Spacesuit 2.0 or Tracer wearing flight jacket 2.0
If they wore their same OW1 defaults, the same message would have gotten across.
Genji wearing people clothes or Mei wearing armor is a different story.
iron plume
so would for anyone else lmao
limpid agate
Rein I'll leave as a story for another day, because his armor is more about Brig than him.
iron plume
it’s a nice detail but it’s not a “message”
limpid agate
Disagree.
Character designs are a good way to show progression as a character changes over the story.
Mercy's new skin does not do that.
limpid agate
Genji's does. Even if technically he was at peace at the start of OW1, he was naked for longer.
Then what does her new skin represent.
That her default wouldn't.
iron plume
Ive said it multiple times at this point
limpid agate
Mercy’s cast off the preconceptions of her work from old overwatch
iron plume
her story is largely about letting go from it
it’s the reason she could allow herself to join the new one
sure the armor is not as overt as mei’s
because mei changed from being a lab scientist to a combatant, and mercy was already in the field
but both Ana and Mercy pretty much spell it out in Valkyrie
limpid agate
I would say you could argue that letting go of the past symbolism if everyone and their mother wasn't getting a new (OW2) outfit to distance them from the old (OW).
Sure it is a bigger deal for Mercy compared to other heroes, but when every hero in the game is getting the same or greater treatment, it kinda loses its meaning.
When your transition is the same as the overall game's same transition, its kinda hard to make it feel special.
iron plume
so, “changes only count when i like them to”
it’s about change for others but not all in the same way
winstons armor got more overwatch because he’s the leader of the new one
mercy’s got less
limpid agate
winstons armor got more overwatch because he’s the leader of the new one
Fair.
Mercy's got less
How
If you were arguing that "Mercy created a new suit herself specifically for her use in heroism rather than the old one which she simply created as a proof of concept and then had the role forced upon her"
I would have agreed with you.
But your argument is just
iron plume
a more detail-heavy personalized look as opposed to looking like a uniform
iron plume
how about you stop telling me what my argument is
limpid agate
Every argument you made is the same as if she were just wearing OW1 default.
iron plume
especially when you don’t read it
limpid agate
so, “changes only count when i like them to”
Strawman for a strawman.
iron plume
lolk
it’s what that comes down to though
covert marsh
How is this guy a mod?
pastel plank
We will never know
keen peak
Hmmmm
iron plume
he does good mod work ¯_(ツ)_/¯
dealing with shitposting and working info/bots
plus no other one is ever in lore d lul
prime dome
Yikes
limpid agate
If you have a complaint about the moderation, feel free to DM @sullen pagoda @covert marsh @pastel plank
Otherwise, keep it outside this channel. This is for lore discussion, not staff discussion.
zealous stream
Did he get kicked out?
lost reef
Yo
zealous stream
Would sigma get a gru skin?
peak escarp
no
rotund hearth
limpid agate
I think the junkers will be in ow2
If there's any story missions in Australia
That's a big if though
In my opinion
peak escarp
last we saw them they were getting kicked out of Junkertown
maybe we'll see them somewhere else in OW2?
limpid agate
I dont think they'll be in the main story at all
Not everyone will
So if some people won't make the cut
I think they won't
In a game about Overwatch vs Talon/Null Sector, they won't have much to do.
Story wise
valid terrace
Scrap some bots?
We just don’t know their current situation, same with almost all the side faction heroes
paper gazelle
It's not just going to be Talon and Null sector only though if I'm not wrong, the official website also states "other enemies of overwatch"
limpid agate
Other enemies
The Junker duo are relatively small time
If they show up, it won't be in the launch story
As I see it
If you get other enemies, it'll probably be Helix
So Talon has someone to fight too
limpid agate
And before someone suggests it
They have no reason to declare war on Junkertown at this time
They're mostly harmless.
chilly peak
There might be missions about fighting against Los Muertos, Vishkar, Deadlock, Gwishin, renewed Shimada clan. And of course many not known yet enemies.
hexed orbit
i hope sombra is gonna be important in ow2
craggy wharf
"They have no reason to declare war on Junkertown at this time
They're mostly harmless."
Uhh....
Isn't it built on the remains of an Omnium?
That the ALF STOLE FROM THE OMNIC AND BLEW UP
If I were an omnic, and you hated humans, wouldn't you go and get revenge for what they did?
My prediction is that one of the missions will be in Junkertown, and Junkrat & Roadhog will help OW to fight off Null sector.....
chilly peak
Kinda wild speculation. But there has to be something with The Junkers. Particularly with Junkrat's treasure.
"He came to notoriety when he discovered an extremely valuable secret in the bones of the omnium. Though few knew the nature of what he found"
limpid agate
@craggy wharf They was Overwatch. Not Null Sector
Null Sector also doesn't have much of a reason to attack if they are taking Talons orders
Talon is trying to start the war by attacking places where peace exists but is thin
Junkertown already hates omnics.
There might be missions about fighting against Los Muertos, Vishkar, Deadlock, Gwishin, renewed Shimada clan.
How many factions do you think they're gonna make
A fun to fight faction is more than just two or three enemies
And a few of those like Los Muertos are small time
Also, Vishkar doesn't need it's own units thanks to Sanjay being on the Talon Council.
pastel plank
Is every single character in the overwatch roster available in overwatch 2's story mode?
valid terrace
No
But they will be in hero missions
Not everyone is important to the story atm
The hamster is just rolling around somewhere
limpid agate
Its like Shooting Star vs. Recall
Or Going Legit vs Masquerade
Hero Missions are missions where you can play as all heroes
But they are not core to the main story.
visual grove
limpid agate
!!shitposting @visual grove
twilit nacelleBOT
@visual grove Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
pastel plank
MonkaW
limpid agate
@pastel plank Final warning.
valid terrace
Have they stated whether the book will have any connection with in game loot?
Or will it end up like most of the comics as a self contained bubble for anyone that cares?
valid terrace
There’s a book coming soon featuring Orisa and Efi
limpid agate
Probably no loot
valid terrace
Also having Doomfist and Lúcio I believe
covert oak
there is a book?
valid terrace
Not yet
valid terrace
There are channels better suited to these outbursts
covert oak
what do you mean?
valid terrace
This is one you can actually get in trouble in
covert oak
i am excited that doomfist is going to be included in something
valid terrace
Fair enough, people before you were spamming the MonkaW post as a meme I thought you were bandwagoning
covert oak
MonkaW
peak escarp
the novel comes out in May, so there's a while to wait
pastel plank
Is it like a light novel or a fat ass deep lore novel
Cause I'm a boolworm
Bookworm
Please don't be light, that's gonna disappoint me
covert oak
i hope its a picture book
covert oak
where does that link lead?
peak escarp
to Amazon
peak escarp
how?
covert oak
it is saying other people say chivalry is dead. chivalry is respecting other sexuality
and people dont do that anymore
peak escarp
chivalry is respecting everyone
covert oak
yes
peak escarp
not specifically sexualities
covert oak
but he is referencing that
peak escarp
I don't think so
valid terrace
If anything he’s likely asexual as he has very little compassion for other people
covert oak
or mabye trans
peak escarp
chivalry is knightly qualities, like courage, honor, courtesy, justice, and a readiness to help the weak.
has nothing to do with sexuality
covert oak
he suppresses his inner femininity by working out and being as masculine as possible
limpid agate
!!shitposting @covert oak
twilit nacelleBOT
@covert oak Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
covert oak
that doesnt mean he cannot make correlations between chivalry, which here you are saying is readiness to help the weak, justice, and honor. the correlation is he is saying people do not respect him, and help him. that is why he serves himself.
and also no im not shitposting
these are my beliefs
and if you think my beliefs are shitposting then shame on you
peak escarp
also he can't be trans
covert oak
i am saying he could be internalizing it
worthy rose
Wait
limpid agate
"And they say chivalry is dead" is not evidence
Especially considering that line means
The exact opposite
worthy rose
Quick question
worthy rose
Does Torb have grandkids?
covert oak
yes
limpid agate
All those children in Reflections are his grandchildren
limpid agate
Multiple
worthy rose
HMMMMM
limpid agate
Not all. Brig has no kids
covert oak
i think torbjorn and Reinhardt are distant cousins, or related in some way
limpid agate
Based on what. If you have nothing to base it on, you will be disposed of
covert oak
their faces have the same structure, their bears are the same color, and they both have the same type of armor
peak escarp
Torb and Rein are best friends and comrades in arms
covert oak
^
worthy rose
Errrr
valid terrace
They have different armor
worthy rose
Depends
peak escarp
also both are Europeans of northern ancestry
valid terrace
If you wanna go this route then technically all humans are distant cousins
Technically all life
limpid agate
Shitposting absurd theories will result in a loss of access.
covert oak
that is also true
limpid agate
@covert oak Consider this your final warning.
peak escarp
if they were related it would say so
covert oak
not necessarily
valid terrace
You’re basically saying “wouldn’t it be quackin’ crazy if...”
limpid agate
Your entire "Theory" is crack based on nothing. Don't be a fool and waste our time.
@worthy rose Reaper had a family too.
worthy rose
Ah
limpid agate
Its implied he had kids
worthy rose
I hope to see that explored in the future then
valid terrace
There’s no strong evidence for it, so it isn’t worth bringing up outside of daydreaming
limpid agate
Yes.
valid terrace
It’s presumed to be his technically
worthy rose
Wasn’t it in Reflections?
limpid agate
They confirmed it in Bastet
valid terrace
Damn now I have to reread Bastet brb
limpid agate
It was at the part with Vincent, where they talk about their lives during Overwatch. Reaper had a family, Ana was married, Soldier was alone.
covert oak
really? did you not see i have evidence? They are both from the same region, have similar hair, they are good friends, which could also mean they are related, reinhardt and brigitte interact alot, implying mabye they are also related. if i am banned from this channel then Taigavia is way too strict
worthy rose
Torb’s from Sweden tho and Rein is from Germany
covert oak
so? i have relatives in germany and i am in the U.S.A
worthy rose
The closest I see is Rein being like a god father to Brigitte
peak escarp
Rein and Brigitte interact because he's her godfather
worthy rose
Ah
covert oak
i am related to my godfather. that doesnt mean they still couldnt be related
peak escarp
but they aren't
covert oak
proof?
covert oak
so? we were not told tracer was lesbian?
peak escarp
we were
peak escarp
it's in the hero bios
limpid agate
They're not even the same race.
peak escarp
it's what I've been saying the whole time
limpid agate
Its like saying Genji and D.Va are related.
I've already given you a final warning, we're done here.
Moving swiftly onwards.
worthy rose
Tai, I got another question
Is Genji and Hanzo’s father deceased?
Cause I imagined a role for him (wont go off topic obviously)
pastel plank
He is
limpid agate
Yes.
pastel plank
His death itself led to hanzo and genji's fight
limpid agate
^
worthy rose
Man, I need to reread all the lore and stories and watch all the shorts again. I’ve forgotten a lot of stuff
pastel plank
Same
But i watch dragons occasionally
So it's fresh in my mind about the shimadas lol
worthy rose
Also, Lucio’s father is alive right?
pastel plank
Who actually manage the shimada place after hanzo left
worthy rose
Uhhh
limpid agate
We don't know about Lucio's
A lot of what Lucio says about him is in the past tense.
worthy rose
Those guys walking around that Hanzo knocked out in the short
limpid agate
So he is presumed dead, but unconfirmed.
worthy rose
Since he made all the gear and stuff, he’d be a cool ally to have
pastel plank
So like, sojiro's goons are taking care of the shimada castle huh
valid terrace
Yup
There’s supposedly some council that chooses what goes on
They’re the ones who instructed Hanzo to attack Genji
valid terrace
Not on hand gimme a minute
valid terrace
It’s in his bio it was the clan elders who made him
pastel plank
Oh yeah
worthy rose
Another quick question
valid terrace
So they are leading it now probably
pastel plank
I forgot that the shimadas are not just mafia lol
valid terrace
They kind of are though
worthy rose
Was Hammond the only non primate on the colony? Or is it unknown?
valid terrace
We know they had other subjects like dogs but we don’t know if any were on base when the revolt happened
So far there isn’t any evidence but there really wasn’t for Hammond either so who knows
worthy rose
I know they definitely had apes other then gorillas cause if you look on the cameras in the first attack point on the one that has baby Winston on you can see a rather sinister looking chimpanzee
peak escarp
they had gorillas, chimps and orangutans
worthy rose
I actually thought Hammond was gonna be a chimp at first lol
peak escarp
the gorillas (except for Winston) were the main troublemakers
pastel plank
Sigma mentioned that he haven't been to horizon for a time
Or some sort
Is he like, on that part of the base or something else
pastel plank
Ah
Would be cool if we get another space map
That way
We can explore more of sigma
peak escarp
a space station map would be neat for deathmatch
worthy rose
Sigma actually seems like a pretty decent guy other then talon manipulation haha
peak escarp
he's the quirky professor archetype
worthy rose
Yeah he’s a bit bonkers
pastel plank
Also, next year's archive better have new content regarding sigma dude
Or i will riot
worthy rose
PLEASE
peak escarp
no new mission for Archives next year
worthy rose
Oh
peak escarp
they already said so
worthy rose
😢
peak escarp
they're doubling down on OW2 work now
worthy rose
That’s fair
pastel plank
Dang
peak escarp
I'd rather have OW2 done sooner than have another Archives mission
worthy rose
I’m also guessing events are gonna be a lot smaller as well
worthy rose
Since this Christmas event only had 4 legendary skins
peak escarp
probably the same as they have been since summer
pastel plank
Or we get a new animation pogU
peak escarp
4-6 legendary skins, a handful of other cosmetics, no new game modes
worthy rose
I hope we learn more about the deadlock gang
limpid agate
I have a feeling that Archives content will end up as permanent in Overwatch 2.
peak escarp
I hope so
pastel plank
Dude, i want zen lore
peak escarp
Zen lore will be in OW2
limpid agate
He is in India
They will probably explain why.
Zen doesn't need major lore content.
He isn't an important character.
pastel plank
Might be interesting if he met doom
valid terrace
Fair but he is the most connected to the Shambali and the Iris so he’s the gateway to fleshing those out
Idk if Doom would care beyond Zen promoting peace
worthy rose
I wonder what Orisa is gonna do during the story mode
valid terrace
Probably nothing
worthy rose
Maybe as an ally in a Numbani mission or something?
peak escarp
she might get a mission like Lucio's, where she gets introduced to Overwatch
worthy rose
I feel like the first few missions is gonna be a bunch of recruitment missions
valid terrace
I personally think she’s one of the likely recruits if all goes well
Efi is an OW fan
pastel plank
Interactions are not enough, i want looreee
limpid agate
My predicted list of characters not in the story are:
Ashe, Junkrat, McCree, Pharah^, Roadhog, Sigma, Hammond, Zarya
^ - Pharah is either in or out depending on if Helix is a faction that we will get to fight or not.
If we get to fight Helix, Pharah is in. Otherwise, she is out.
peak escarp
patience is required
valid terrace
They probably won’t bother making side factions unless there’s a sizable addition
limpid agate
^
valid terrace
Helix being the most likely
limpid agate
Things like Deadlock or Los Muertos are too small time
worthy rose
Guess you’re right
valid terrace
Even Junkers imo
limpid agate
Things like Gwisin could happen if its just a new coat of paint, or they become part of the Null Sector forces.
Helix is the third biggest faction we know of
They have a huge global influence
Are enemies of Overwatch
And conveniently
Are enemies of Talon too
So if you want missions where you play as Talon heroes... They need someone to shoot at
worthy rose
Soldier stole his gear from Helix so I’d imagine they wouldn’t like him
valid terrace
He mostly took old Overwatch gear they were keeping secure
limpid agate
Don't repost.
valid terrace
I wouldn’t even be mad if they actually added in more interactions
peak escarp
they will eventually
valid terrace
The last few characters have none atm
peak escarp
Sigma's are still incomplete
Baptiste is missing any, Ashe only has McCree
Hammond has 2, I think
valid terrace
At least Sigma acknowledges Horizon
Hammond talks with Winston and has map temperature call outs like Rein and Junk
Dunno if there’s more
worthy rose
When everyone else first played the game, did you get confused when a bunch of characters like Torb started freaking out about Numbani
peak escarp
Sombra has 2 interactions with Hammond
valid terrace
I don’t usually see that combo so that would explain things
peak escarp
she compares him to her stuffed bear, Arturito
valid terrace
I’ll dig for them later
worthy rose
Roadhog needs some more interactions
valid terrace
Most characters do
worthy rose
He has one with McCree and the rest are just with Rat
pastel plank
I lagged lmao
valid terrace
They’re going to add a lot in ow2 so they say
worthy rose
Nice
valid terrace
Though that may just be referencing the story interactions and not multiplayer
limpid agate
Roadhog not talking is probably intentional
Even in his comics
Or The Plan
He speaks a grand total of what, 3 times?
And they're all to Junkrat
And that is counting this as two times.
worthy rose
It would be nice if a few characters said something to him tho, even if he says nothing back
peak escarp
Hog is a quiet guy