And temporary for just that mission
#lore-discussion
balmy swallow
Oh so it is not a perminant thing then
basically only thing to grind is level to open up more skills
balmy swallow
I would say if the pricetag is not too expensive ow2 sounds nice, not OMFGITGREAT but nice
we know ow2 is not out yet til next blizzcon it seems
does it mean we will have 0-1 new heros before that?
likely no new lores until that either =.=
peak escarp
there's a novel coming out next May
balmy swallow
o.o
balmy swallow
full novel? or small one like we had
balmy swallow
ok i am sold
limpid agate
Is that the cover?
peak escarp
yes, it was shown at one of the art panels
peak escarp
no, they just mentioned things we already knew
who the author is, what the release date is
peak escarp
they did say "maybe other heroes" when talking about who would be in it
but I might be remembering that wrong
balmy swallow
like, tracer got her chrono upgraded with better harness and what not
also there is a picture showcasing some of the neo null sector droids
at least one is really big, not cinematic big but bug
peak escarp
parts of the redesigns tell the story of what they've been doing since the fall
balmy swallow
yes ... though they never explain why lucio's hair glow now
peak escarp
like Torbjorn has set up a business and has taken in Bastion
Reinhardt's armor has been upgraded by Brigitte
balmy swallow
though i suspect the business (and map featuring it) is probably what he had been doing after he got disposed of by original ow
peak escarp
yeah
balmy swallow
yes it is MK9 now
the number changes
also unplayable map that is disappointing so far since no cat
i was checking zoomed in all the pictures of that map
trying to find a hidden cat in it, but nope =.=
limpid agate
What map
peak escarp
there could be a cat in the spawn room on Gothenburg
limpid agate
Okay, was hoping to get this
Unrelated to the conversation
I just wanted a clean picture of India
peak escarp
I asked Nesskain if he would post clean versions of the pictures seen in Zero Hour, but so far no response
balmy swallow
that flying doughnut is still impressive
limpid agate
I think the donut is Utopaea
balmy swallow
and those race car is nice too
balmy swallow
in monte (thank god nto castro)
limpid agate
I think you fucked up your own joke
balmy swallow
utopaea would be nice, but the town under it is cute also
balmy swallow
oh, on that, fully hope to see cameo of korean race car
and a workshop track where we can make race car game
peak escarp
I'm rewatching Zero Hour, and either it's a huge coincidence and they all just happened to show up in Paris at the same time, or Brig, Rein, Mercy and Genji all arrived together
balmy swallow
now we can assume winston is broadcasting the mission to those people
only way they know of that, at least some of it
I mean it aint easy driving a giant truck around random emergency places
so we can assume at least rein/brig got some kind of message so they get there
echo/genji/mercy is strange too
but at least we can say two of thsoe can fly really fast
the other one is... ninja
still the timing is kinda strange
makes me wonder if mercy is carrying genji for it
but from the mei intro we know this is the first time for rein/brig to meet mei which is weird
i mean mei was in ow during rein times
granted rein may not have noticed
peak escarp
Mei was a scientist, Reinhardt was a front-line soldier
it's likely they never crossed paths
balmy swallow
also it can be said mei was not that famous before the incident
and rein rarely read fun news
since the mei survive incident is pretty big thing it seems, and she is on tv
also brig is still a baby lil girl in the eyes of tracer that is cool
peak escarp
she was on TV because she was reporting on the blizzard hitting the UK
she was famous because of her story though
frosty shell
"now we can assume winston is broadcasting the mission to those people
only way they know of that, at least some of it"
Also, clearly everybody knew about the attacks
It would be on the news everywhere, just like when there were actual terrorist attacks in Paris 4 years ago
So even if Winston just sent a message saying "We're coming" they could definitely have been inspired to show up
Echo is probably the most unusual seeing as she was all the way in North America last we saw her, but at least all the others were in Europe or Asia beforehand
I'm curious whether Mei's involvement in new Overwatch was public knowledge, at least before Zero Hour
Also, we know Mercy didn't like Old Overwatch, but did we ever actually get lore on what she thought of New Overwatch?
New Overwatch seems more defensive
peak escarp
no, this is the most we've seen her post-recall
her other appearance was in a tent in the middle east reading Genji's letter
frosty shell
yeah, so it might not be fair to use her reservations about pre-fall Overwatch to make it seem unusual why she'd want to rejoin
devout sable
I did mention earlier that while she'd be reluctant to join Overwatch, she'd still do it if she saw it as the best way to protect people
these attacks could've been what made up her mind
worthy rose
@limpid agate shut up you and your indiana
cosmic crest
Bothers me how Mercy was the only character in Zero Hour that didn't have an animated short
supple bear
peak escarp
probably her Marvel comic
limpid agate
Also, we know Mercy didn't like Old Overwatch, but did we ever actually get lore on what she thought of New Overwatch?
They suggested that this is a story we will be seeing
placid monolith
Yeah, with the old leadership not being willing to join it might give some good contrast to things. I hope we'll get completely new characters for it too. I wonder if that officer will get to keep her job for not arresting Overwatch.
peak escarp
what could she really do? there was 8 of them and 1 of her
limpid agate
2 of her including the omnic
But
Yeah
Not much you can do but
Look the other way
dense estuary
Also she was Paris PD, It could be seen as not her job without interpol.
Also when someone saves your bacon you let the little things slide
and the bacon of most of the city you protect and serve
umbral fiber
Also they were shell shocked at a talking gorilla with a taser cannon
pliant sparrow
she might have been a childhood fan of overwatch as well
peak escarp
obviously
valid terrace
Are you being sarcastic?
peak escarp
!!loreonly
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uncut jungle
Press F for me
peak escarp
no
peak escarp
caduceus
last bramble
i mean
peak escarp
it's a symbol that represents medicine
last bramble
thats kinda weird since she is the angel of the team
i dont see why she would switch sides honestly
peak escarp
it's weird for the doctor to carry a symbol that represents medicine?
steel peak
Yeah, isn’t it the staff of the Greek god of medicine
rotund jay
No
rotund jay
Caduceus is the wrong symbol, Mercy's equipment is actual named incorrectly
peak escarp
!!shitposting @last bramble
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last bramble
oh oop
peak escarp
caduceus is the wrong symbol . . . but it has still become associated with medicine because medical associations have used it incorrectly
last bramble
xD
last bramble
take*'
peak escarp
this is a serious discussion channel
rotund jay
right so anyways
I have a question regarding one of Sombra's skins
so, did Sombra ever actually work for Talon
peak escarp
she currently works for/with Talon
rotund jay
she has a Talon skin from Archives but i'm under the impression that she's not an "employee" per say, more of a freelancer who's just working with but not for them
peak escarp
whether her Talon skin is canon is still unknown
rotund jay
yeah it seems very non-canon imo
since she doesn't work "for" them
she's got no reason to have a talon uniform or whatever
worthy rose
She is still considered to be an agent of Talon and a subordinate of its Inner Council
She must follow Reaper's orders and Doomfist considers her an underling
mystic summit
ngl kinda want mercy to be the surprise bad person
mystic summit
no still have overwhelmingly more good peopple
but none of them really secretly bad
peak escarp
that's a bad cliche
peak escarp
a twist like that would be bad because Mercy has never shown any indication of being anything but a good, purehearted person
for that to work believably, she'd have to show some weakness or flaw
we also haven't had any bad guys turn out to be secretly good either, for the same reason
mystic summit
there's been very little lore for mercy anyway
peak escarp
enough to show that she isn't secretly evil
mystic summit
not enough to show anything really
toxic flame
i think one healer who already worked for OW, but ended up the bad guy is enough. and that is moira
mystic summit
hopefully ow2 we see a lot more little details of the character's personalities
moira was already borderline anyway
and so was reaper
toxic flame
yes, he was a member of OW, but i meant a healer. i dont think the story writers will pull more stunts like that
mystic summit
the story writers need to pull a better twist because everything is just so predictable and cliche
it's like clear good vs bad
toxic flame
mercy in game can be really mean with her voicelines, but i dont really think its any foreshadowing for her ending up evil
peak escarp
it's a story about heroes
of course things are going to be clear good vs bad
there isn't a whole lot of moral grey area in optimistic superhero stories
toxic flame
yeah andi it was like that since the begining. i dont think theyre gonna shift the tone just like that
mystic summit
just one twist, it's all i ask
not the soldier is gay kind of twist either
tho that kinda just came outta nowhre from chu's twitter
toxic flame
well thats a very minor character detail so i never really paid much attention to that anyway
but who knows, maybe theyrell deliver some cool twist with the story missions
i just dont think itll be evil mercy
mystic summit
tho tbh there might be too much outrage if mercy turns out to be evil
so they wouldnt do it out of that
peak escarp
twists are usually bad writing
mystic summit
respecting the fanbase that actually likes mercy as a good hero
there are plenty of good twists in writing
peak escarp
being able to see where the story is going is a good thing
peak escarp
good twists are hinted at long in advance and don't feel forced or unexpected
mystic summit
they could've been hinted in a way we havent seen yet
then again OW lore is not exactly fleshed out so not much room for hints
peak escarp
but if you establish the story in one direction but then suddenly take a different direction, that's bad writing
toxic flame
it may be, but its not like there isnt a lot of faulty writing. if they wanna have a twist of any kind, they will do it even if its not a good idea
peak escarp
I think the twist that they've set up right now is that Talon and Null Sector are working together
that's what the scene at the end of Storm Rising was supposed to show
mystic summit
seems kinda obvious
if it's false no harm done. If it's true, it's kinda whatever no surprise
azure lance
what is lucio's canon feet size?
I can't figure it out since he's always wearing skates
peak escarp
. . . why do you want to know Lucio's foot size?
azure lance
I want to know if his toes fit in my mouth
peak escarp
!!shitposting
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azure lance
worth
inland basin
basically
livid elbow
I hope that, in OW2, we will be seeing the return of familiar faces at least, I do not mean playable characters, like characters we have not seen in a very long time
livid elbow
Like Dae-hyun, Alejandra, Brian, Timmy, I feel like there is potential for expansion for their characters that have yet to be taped into
prisma wren
While most of the test subjects were gorillas or other primates, there were some exceptions, including a hamster named Hammond.
does this mean there were other animals besides the apes and hammond?
livid elbow
I wonder if he will like join Talon, like be the Winston of the bad guys
limpid agate
@prisma wren There is a dog on the poster for it in London.
You can see it in the Wrecking Ball teasers
Not in game
patent rover
Wrecking Ball will probably stay a neutral character like Junkrat due to him not having any "Bad blood" with anybody
he's one of those characters that just exists
worthy rose
hey! quick and random question but.. will Junkrat be in OverWatch 2?
worthy rose
YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
limpid agate
Not everyone will be in the story, but everyone will be playable
worthy rose
thank god lol
prisma wren
jewvia can you show me the dog poster?
balmy swallow
also it is promised that more story mode will be added, and at launch only a few is available, i hope that means story/lore development
yes the poster ... or more like wall art
that includes a dog, and monkey
in addition to the typical primate we know about
think the poster changes a bit with more or less posts on the wall.
but this is one of them and dog is still visible.
also yes monkey.
patent rover
What if the dog is a reference to the Russian space dog? that would be amazing
Any ideas on Echo? I mean she seems like the Overwatch version of Cortana from Halo.....
patent rover
She's an advanced AI with FAR more power to her than we know she could be some higher omnic like zenyatta but better
patent rover
trust me this is blizzard they make random shit special more than we think
peak escarp
if anything, it's Sojourn who will be the ultra special one
since she's apparently crucial to the plot of OW2
patent rover
Sojourn looks like a relative of soldier 76 tbh
frosty shell
She'll also tell us more about the past
patent rover
well we only know like 4 or 5 soldiers from that program when there was over 76 of them
Reaper and Morrison are a good example of wtf the soldier program was... making a captain America but an army
peak escarp
we only know two people who were in the American army's Soldier Enhancement Program
Morrison and Reyes
patent rover
But what I'm saying there are dozens of them
Morrison was 76
and Reyes was 24
what about 1 - 23 and 25 - 75?
I doubt they are ALL dead
peak escarp
I'm sure a lot of them died in the crisis
or died from complications relating to their SEP treatments
patent rover
but that's just it, it was a chaotic time and I doubt only 2 could live through it
peak escarp
there are probably more surviving members out there
patent rover
And what if Sojourn was one of them
peak escarp
I'm just pointing out that the only two we know of for sure are Morrison and Reyes
Sojourn is Canadian
I don't think she would be part of an American military program
patent rover
UN
what if there was a UN
they left so much out in that part of the story that it could be filled with anything and everything
and yet we have nothing
but we know there is something
patent rover
if morrison was from the program and was put in overwatch wouldn't that mean the program is more than just "An american thing"
peak escarp
no?
patent rover
exactly
peak escarp
it literally was just an American thing
Before long, he earned a coveted position in the government's controversial and still-classified (but widely acknowledged) "soldier enhancement program." Military scientists shaped Morrison and other inductees into the perfect soldiers, blessed with superhuman speed, strength, and agility.
patent rover
shit.
peak escarp
it was run by the American government
patent rover
see the lore is so fucking deep that it can go into the sprays or a voice line we think nothing of
peak escarp
oh believe me
I think about it all the time
I even learned how to datamine the voice files so I could hear them clearer
patent rover
I hate/love that tho
worthy rose
Did they ever reveal any details about that mysterious character known as Liao?
Or are they just gone?
worthy rose
They have revealed nothing
foggy notch
in the museum fight, at the end when two brothers hug each other, there's a picture showing overwatch people in their background. some of them are far behind the picture and grey but one is red and is obvious. any ideas who it is?
fresh tapir
opaque tundra
In the picture in the background, why is Zen there?
iron plume
Because the museum short was made a long time ago before the nature of Overwatch the organization was established, and was used to show off their hero concepts
Lucio is there too
livid elbow
I just realized that Sojourn might be related to one of those characters that we saw during the Ana origin story, the one with the robotic arms
All I hope for is that we get to see certain characters faces again, I mean besides the playable heroes, like the supporting characters that help move the plot along
lament prawn
sojourn is the one in ana’s origin story
livid elbow
I knew that, just didn’t want to make any objective statements that would get slammed like last time I made wording errors
short dust
steel elk
OwO
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limpid agate
That team picture had been retconned, but Wildebeest is still a canon member of Overwatch
rotund jay
Time sensitive question, is Sombra’s translocator canon
peak escarp
yes
rotund jay
What characters have non-canon in game abilities
Like Mercy’s Rez and brig/lùcios heals aren’t canon
stable plinth
mercy rez is in the zero hour cinematic, even tho mei isnt really dead but just in really bad shape
lucio heal is as canon as zen's tho
peak escarp
we haven't seen Lucio do any healing yet
and we haven't seen Zen at all
I made a list
the only heroes we've seen use every ability are McCree, Pharah, Reaper, Tracer and Winston
and some abilities are canon, but work differently than they do in the game
limpid agate
@peak escarp We see Balderich do Firestrike in The Last Bastion
peak escarp
noted
but we haven't seen Reinhardt do it
we also see an OR14 do what is essentially Fortify against Reinhard in Honor and Glory
pliant sparrow
widow has shown all her abilities
limpid agate
Chain Hook in both Going Legit and Wasted Land
peak escarp
ah, the Wasted Land one was at the bottom of the page, so I missed it
where was it in Going Legit?
there's a chain at the end, but no hook
limpid agate
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limpid agate
Weird but ok
valid terrace
Didn’t we see Hammond’s grappling claw and guns in his origin story?
And both his forms too
peak escarp
we see them, but we don't see them used
and the grappling hook he used on Winston's pod isn't the same one he has now
foggy notch
@limpid agate yea thats him. why haven't we seen him?
limpid agate
He's not important
His concept has been recycled into 3 heroes
Reinhardt, Orisa, and Brigitte
foggy notch
thanks
and hey, in Zero Hour, when Rein shakes hands with Mei everyone shake their heads as if "oh he started again". is there any reason why they ALL did that?
peak escarp
because they know Reinhardt's personality and he's always like this
foggy notch
u lost me
peak escarp
like I said, he's making a joke
timid eagle
Yeah, Reinhardt loves his share of dumb puns/dad jokes.
storm rune
who doesn't
hexed portal
lol
pliant topaz
Who would win in an all-in battle? Overwatch vs Fortnite?
dawn halo
Too vague of a question to be answered, and I'm not qualified enough to even answer it.
pliant topaz
Who would win, Pharah and Mercy vs Korra and Asami?
valid terrace
I don’t know who they are but Pharmercy is a pretty powerful combo that doesn’t seem bearable by normal people
pliant topaz
Ok, another more famous femmeslash. Pharah and Mercy vs Anna and Elsa from Frozen.
pliant topaz
People ship them.
limpid agate
Korra and Asami would destroy Pharah and Mercy. Pharah only has a rocket launcher, Korra and Asami are more powerful than that. I'd wager even with Mercy's healing.
Not much a rocket launcher can do up against Earth and Fire bending either. That stuff can be straight overpowered.
peak escarp
couldn't Korra just metalbend Pharah's suit until it breaks?
limpid agate
Mercy's too then
In terms of power levels, Overwatch characters are
Very very weak
Compared to heroes from other franchises
They're street tier at best. At best.
pliant topaz
I only compared them, because obviously, these couples are very similar.
limpid agate
How are they remotely similar
peak escarp
Pharah and Mercy aren't a couple
pliant topaz
How are they not similar? Pharah is similar almost a copypaste of Korra, and Asami slightly resembles Mercy.
limpid agate
Your better contest of questions would be Pharah/Mercy vs Heavy/Medic. Both are a heavily armed soldier with a pocket medic that has gear capable of superhuman medicinal feats.
Pharah is not remotely a copy paste of Korra.
pliant topaz
The head is.
peak escarp
the only thing they have in common is their haircut
limpid agate
The only thing they have in common is they are fit girls with dark skin. Nothing about their capabilities, characterization, relations, etc.
pliant topaz
And the skin color.
worn solar
Pharah and mercy would probably beat heavy and medic, if they stay in the air heavy's minigun has too much damage falloff and spread to outdamage mercy's healing
limpid agate
Which is pretty pointless to base this kind of thing off of
@worn solar Lore Mercy can't undo death. Bullets to the head are still lethal. What calls this up as a question is whether or not Pharah's armor can save her from a fatal bullet for longer than Ubercharge.
pliant topaz
What is the channel for this kind of BS?
limpid agate
Overwatch characters are severely underpowered.
worn solar
A single direct hit from a rocket is probably enough to kill anyone
Especially the heavy who moves slowly and doesn't seem to be wearing any protective equipment
limpid agate
Yes, but.
In Meet the Medic
The heavy has already survived an onslaught of missiles
Thanks to Ubercharge
So its just a question of
worn solar
Oh if the medic had an ubercharge it would be a totally different story
limpid agate
Can Pharah survive long enough for Ubercharge to wear off
pliant topaz
Who is Heavy and who is Medic? They sound like robots.
limpid agate
Team Fortress 2
worn solar
If Medic starts with Ubercharge, Pharah is screwed unless she can get to cover
limpid agate
Like Pharah and Mercy, the two are an iconic pair of healer/healee from their respective game, which is a pair of a soldier with heavy weapons and a pocket medic.
Pharah/Mercy can fly, but Heavy/Medic can be completely invulnerable for a period of time.
worn solar
I assume this means Pharah and Medic start with their respective ults too
worn solar
Right
limpid agate
Ults or Uber needing charge is just gameplay balance
worn solar
You know
In lore the Medic doesn't become invincible when he ubercharges someone
It's only his target
So if Pharah was quick on the draw she could kill Medic before Heavy spun up
limpid agate
Nice catch.
pliant topaz
I never played that game. But I played StarCraft. So, to make it even. Who would win, Phrah and Mercy vs A Ghost and a Medic from StarCraft.
worn solar
The ghost probably
The ghost would turn invisible and hit them with an EMP
Then snipe both of them
pliant topaz
Wasn't EMP a spell form Science Vessel?
worn solar
Not in starcraft 2
pliant topaz
I remember BroodWar more than SC2.
pliant topaz
Nuclear Launch
Or the Ghost simply locks Pharah down while flying and she dies from the fall.
worthy rose
what about talon
peak escarp
what about talon?
peak escarp
things had to be put on hold while Doomfist was in prison
but now that he's out, the plan he made with the omnic from Null Sector can go forward
Maximilien seems to be hesitating though
valid terrace
Other Talon leaders tried to take control, but Doomfist reclaimed it pretty easily
worthy rose
xd
peak escarp
they kept Talon afloat while he was in prison, but they didn't have Akande's vision
they just wanted to use Talon to gain wealth and power
fringe blade
I find it funny how Tracer says 'how much you've grown'
to Brig
Isn't tracer like 1-2 years older
limpid agate
3, yes
Its weird
Though the last time they met
Brig may still have been in school
peak escarp
it may have been 5-6 years since they met last
if Tracer hasn't seen her since the fall of Overwatch
Brigitte was a teenager back then
fringe blade
I mean, I guess
But they age gap was really small
I guess puberty just hit Brig really hard
patent rover
I just want the punch kid to be back in the story
timid eagle
Also, Brigitte might have been a skinny teenager.
Becoming a beefcake engineer in such a short span must’ve been a shock to Tracer.
nova wyvern
@patent rover yes
true fulcrum
oh? :0 I wanna see it
cinder portal
I also wanna see it :D
stable plinth
Another visual was revealed on an artist panel, its india for sure, not sure we had the name though
thick depot
The picture on the wall
I don't think we've seen it before
Or have we?
Because I'm really curious
(Near the seat labelled 'Morrison', at the beginning of the Zero Hour cinematic)
charred lodge
Hanzo use to use a sword?
worthy rose
Yes, before he Anakin'd Genji.
charred lodge
So the sword that is in hanamura belongs to him?
worthy rose
Almost certainly, as implied by Dragons.
You can see the notch where one of them swung really hard and they locked blades, presumably exchanging a bit of dialogue and Genji dealing out a quippy one-liner.
foggy notch
any idea why omnics attacked humanity?
pliant sparrow
not completely sure
grand tangle
who was first to exist (lore wise) Ashe or B.O.B (arguing with a friend about it)
foggy notch
Bob was Ashe's butler
u can see spray of her being a kid and stealing other kids' candies
i'd say Bob was her butler
like from when she was a little girl
peak escarp
yeah
grand tangle
Wasn´t it stated somewhere that he was her family´s butler before ?
foggy notch
well that makes more sense as in Alfer Pennyworth for Wayne's family
peak escarp
we dont know when BOB started serving the Ashe family
but we see him with her as a teen, so about 20 years at least
grand tangle
I mean, he could have also been built/hired because Ashe´s parents wanted little to nothing to do with her
peak escarp
possibly
they were busy being successful businesspeople
no time to take care of their own kid
they gave her everything she could ever ask for - except for a loving family
grand tangle
Most rich parents seem pretty irresponsible, I mean, my own parents let me drive around with a car on our property
worthy rose
Are Genji and Hanzo the only living Shimadas?
grand tangle
We don´t know
but it´s likely they are
at least when it comes to Shimadas as in descendants of the leader´s family
foggy notch
Shimada is a clan, the clan lives, but the true heritage dont. i mean in reference to the Junk Revenge interactions -> Ana: I once met a man who could summon a dragon as you do.
Hanzo: Impossible. Only my clan possesses the skill. My brother could, but he is dead.
@worthy rose
Sujiro (their father) is dead too. so if u refer to family as father and son i would say those are the only ones but if u refer to as a clan, no the clan lives on.
something that bothers me is in Retribution comic, its obvious that mccree wants to kill Antonio but when Reyes does he's the only one complaining about all of it and genji is Moira are just silent about it (when he does the act) why all of a sudden Cree changed his mind?
vital tundra
peak escarp
because Reyes told him it was better to take him alive
which makes Reyes killing Antonio when he was the one who said not to all the more frustrating for McCree
foggy notch
anyways there shouldve been a satisfaction in Cree's mind cause he wanted that too anyways but we dont see it through the mission we just see him complaining
worthy rose
Because the plan wasn't to kill him
And Reyes is a methodical person who usually sticks to the plan
So McCree was like "what the heck man, where did that come from"
peak escarp
^
foggy notch
what i meant is, is it related to some sort of group in ow universe?
foggy notch
a cultural thing i guess
and one other question
how is torb related to building bastions?
peak escarp
he helped design them
foggy notch
before the omnic crisis?
foggy notch
actually i asked that cause i just read the comic!!
peak escarp
and from Torbjorn's bio:
Before the Omnic Crisis, Torbjörn had gained notoriety for designing weapons systems used by countries around the world. However, his belief that technology must serve a better vision for humanity put him at odds with his employers, who desired to control his weapons using networked computer intelligence.
foggy notch
so he designed the weapons but others use them for AI beings?
foggy notch
thats the reason he hates omnics?
peak escarp
it was other people who put AI in them
partly
he hates what happened to his designs
he feels responsible for the crisis
foggy notch
and what was the motivation for null sector?
peak escarp
Null Sector thinks omnics are superior to humans
they want to run things
during the King's Row uprising they masked that by saying that they wanted "omnic rights"
but now it seems like they're just declaring all out war on humanity
peak escarp
I guess? I'm not familiar with Terminator's story
foggy notch
the guy in storm rising?
foggy notch
who works with Talon
peak escarp
he was the one setting things up with Doomfist
foggy notch
setting what things?
peak escarp
their alliance
foggy notch
storm rising was after the crisis?
peak escarp
yes
foggy notch
after the london incident ?
peak escarp
yes
peak escarp
he likes her more
pure prairie
I ship genji and angela
peak escarp
so do the writers
pliant topaz
80% of the people who know the characters don't give a damn about a so-called official story, and ship Mercy and Pharah. Only people who actually play the game ship Gnegy and Mercy. The outsiders want Mercy and Pharah and don't evenknow a robot called Genji exist.
rancid cairn
I ship bastion and widow maker bitches
pliant topaz
I ship anything that doesn't involve a male character.
junior robin
pliant topaz
And Widowmaker and Angela, and Angela and Soldier, Tracerwidow, etc. The point is, what do people like. Nobody cares about the robotic ninja x Mercy compared to the myriads who ship Mercy and Pharah.
Fictional characters are but what we, real people, make of them. And for all I've seen, Pharmercy is lore.
limpid agate
This is not a place for ship posting
Ship posting is shit posting.
The only relevant relationships are:
- Tracer and Emily
- Amelie and Gerard
- Torbjorn and Ingrid
- Ana and Sam
- Jack and Vincent
The only inter-hero relationship given any credence is Mercy and Genji.
Pharmercy is 100% not lore.
pliant topaz
It's for people. These characters don't exist but through people's mind as they are not real.
cosmic crest
I don't like most OW ships, but disallowing discussion of them entirely seems rather harsh
pliant topaz
I actually got in to OW through all the yuri fanart there is. I even thought it was an only-female game back then.
limpid agate
Then go it elsewhere
pliant topaz
Real people's perception of things > Game lore/story wise stuff. But I get your point. You don't want people talking about ships in a channel about talking strictly about what the game has.
limpid agate
If it's not relevant to the canon it's not relevant here
peak escarp
as far as we know Fareeha and Angela only met once when they were children
stuck jolt
where is junkrat'
pliant topaz
I know this has nothing to do with the lore. Just a random comment to give context about what I said before. When I started to see Pharmercy fanart, I didn't know who they were, and thought I was seeing Korra and Asami, and thought ''Asami looks kind of off.''
peak escarp
we don't know where Junkrat (and Roadhog) is currently
they were last seen trying to get back into Junkertown to blow up the queen, but we don't know when that was
stuck jolt
a sad day for junk mains
peak escarp
most of the lore we've gotten has been set around the same time as Recall (within the same year, I think), so The Plan is probably a current event
I would like to know how long ago Wasted Land was though
dusk violet
I'm calling it. The next hero after Echo and... Soljorn(?) will be Junker Queen with a cinematic possibly picking up after The Plan or showing how the Junkers deal with the current Null Sector invasions. I'm also counting on some new Sombra lore and Team Talon lore as a whole. I have a theory that the Null Sector invasion was caused by external, namely the illusive organization Sombra wishes to uncover, the "People who really run the world"
They could honestly do so much lore wise. Other characters deserve some love too. (Symmetra, Zenyatta, Hanzo, Zarya, etc.)
limpid agate
I have a theory that the Null Sector invasion was caused by external, namely the illusive organization Sombra wishes to uncover, the "People who really run the world"
Have you played Storm Rising?
The ending cinematic is Doomfist plotting an arrangement with the leader of Null Sector
And in Masquerade, he talks about having a war to start.
And in game he brings allusions to his plans too
The mastermind behind the Null Sector invasion is Doomfist
frosty shell
"Null Sector thinks omnics are superior to humans
they want to run things
during the King's Row uprising they masked that by saying that they wanted "omnic rights"
but now it seems like they're just declaring all out war on humanity"
Is this ever actually said anywhere?
They do clearly want to kill humans (on King's Row they say DESTROY ALL ORGANICS)
limpid agate
Null Sector is a group of Omnic Supremacists.
frosty shell
Yeah, presumably
Or at least an omnic terrorist group
like the IRA or ISIS or whatever
They probably do believe in Omnic superiority since in most ways Omnics are superior
clever rivet
Yeah, pretty much
worthy rose
they should add an overwatch character that can mase people
limpid agate
That can... What?
dusk violet
@limpid agate Where was that stated though? Doomfist never called him the Null Sector leader nor did the omnic call himself that.
vivid cedar
Sad that I missed the shipping discussion. How do you think Genji and Mercy kiss... among other things?
dusk violet
I'll rewatch to double check but I'm almost positive neither of the 2 things above happened.
limpid agate
@dusk violet They said he was the leader in an interview at Blizzcon
Unfortunately, I don't know which one
dusk violet
@limpid agate Makes sense because it definitely wasn't in cinematic
limpid agate
It was also fairly obvious before it was confirmed that it was a Null Sector omnic given both the context and the colours
limpid agate
One of the character's popular fan nicknames was Null Hector
Furthermore, it was a purple omnic that. And the context of what Doomfist was saying matched perfectly with Null Sector. Not to mention his ideals of starting a war also paralleled theirs.
dull quarry
torb is actually adopted by Reinhardt and he is a 12 year old boy
limpid agate
!!shitposting @dull quarry
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peak escarp
it was pretty likely from the context that the Storm Rising omnic was connected to Null Sector
I'm happy we get to see the results of that meeting finally happening
neat pivot
What do you think McCrees "unfinished business" is?
fleet nymph
probably something to do with the Deadlock gang, other than that it's anyone's guess
frigid grove
Mcree probably knows Reaper is Reyes
Who else uses dual shotguns that never sound satisfying
frigid grove
Not that we know of
peak escarp
(although when they do meet, McCree will probably be able to guess)
frigid grove
Gabriel vs. Jack happened 6 years ago
That's a lot of time
I'm sure he's heard of a literal black man tossing around dual shotguns and saying Die a lot
peak escarp
fringe blade
I am rather curious what McCree is currently doing
timid eagle
He's either tying up loose ends or recruiting more members for Winston's cause.
worthy rose
Well McCree most likely has heard of Reaper, since he is an infamous terrorist
Maybe he suspects he might be Reyes but he doesn't know him as well as Morrison and Ana did, so I think it'd be much harder for him to connect the dots
viral moss
how would genji, rein and the others in the new cinematic know that winston and the gang were in France?
pliant sparrow
they would've seen the null sector attack on the news
it's a massive event with worldwide impacts
short scaffold
thanks for the heads up fam
pliant sparrow
: )
terse oak
Wow thanks discord for only just giving me the moderator ping
limpid agate
That Chu post is also before Doomfist and Moira were heroes
pliant sparrow
did max exist?
young moon
i wonder what will happen in the relisionship of genji and hanzo
rapid nebula
Hello
young moon
hi
wind root
hey
clever rivet
We didn't know about Max until the Doomfist comic (around July 2017). That Chu post is 4 months prior from that. @pliant sparrow
livid elbow
I have another question, since Overwatch 2 takes place after the events of Overwatch 1, how does Winston still have glasses? I mean, Reaper clearly crushed them under his foot, and when driven off, we did not see Winston go to pick up the glasses, did he get new ones? Did he comeback later to get them and fixed them?
clever rivet
He only broke them in the reveal trailer iirc
limpid agate
Yeah you're right
But he had the glasses again in Reflections, which was after the museum short
livid elbow
Maybe, he got them back somehow and repaired them, they a clearly important and would not see any reason for him to lose them, I just hope someone or Blizzard addresses this question
livid elbow
One can hope, before it gets too late
limpid agate
I don't think it's a big thing worth explaining
livid elbow
I mean, in my opinion, as a important item so dear to Winston, I think it would be important as to know what fate awaited the last momento of his adaptive father.
smoky tide
Mei was frozen for 1000 years
clever rivet
Mercy is 37 iirc
smoky tide
My bad 9 years
clever rivet
She was around 18 when that picture was taken, I think
pliant sparrow
anywhere from late teens to early twenties
pliant sparrow
she went to university very young then?
pliant sparrow
i don't know much about universities but here it's usually 18+ so it's surprising to see
unless i've seriously messed up my maths
peak escarp
maybe it's different in Europe, but in Canada you can graduate high school at 17 (due to having a late birthday) and start uni right away
peak escarp
Angela is a bit of a prodigy - she was dreaming of tissue regeneration when she was 14
so maybe she skipped some grades
exotic thicket
!
peak escarp
after she was the head of surgery for a Swiss hospital
so probably in her late 20s
she was there at least 8-9 years ago, since Genji is there and she saved him
she would be 29 during Retribution
we don't know how long she was part of Overwatch before that
clever rivet
Yeah, 17 for university isn't young. I started uni at 17
hasty surge
typo in your last sentence?
how do we know that tho? is there any reads or prove I can see?
peak escarp
how do we know what?
that she was in Overwatch 9 years ago?
or that she joined in her late 20s?
clever rivet
She'd be 28 then
peak escarp
Ziegler rose to become the head of surgery at a prominent Swiss hospital before pioneering a breakthrough in the field of applied nanobiology that radically improved the treatment of life-threatening illnesses and injuries. It was this expertise that attracted the attention of Overwatch.
if she started uni at 17, and a medical degree in Switzerland takes 6 years (I looked it up), she would have finished school at 23
give a few years to become head of surgery (rising quickly, since she's "a peerless healer" and "a brilliant scientist")
and she could get recruited by Overwatch around age 26-27
plenty of time for her to be there to save Genji's ass life
hasty surge
wait is this from her bio?
I got it thanks
also how do we know that Mercy was an orphan?
peak escarp
Because her parents had been taken by war, Ziegler was opposed to the organization's militaristic approach to keeping global peace.
hasty surge
oh and did Michael chu said anything about the photo that was taken?
peak escarp
he discusses that photo at this timestamp
“So, you know, you’ve got your prime original generation characters Gabriel, Ana, Jack, Rein and Torbjorn; you have an 11-12 year old Pharah; you have McCree who’s just been recruited into Blackwatch; and you have a university student Mercy who’s visiting the Overwatch base.”
we can find when the picture was taken through basic math - Pharah is 32 now, she was 11-12 in the picture, so the picture was taken 21-20 years ago
which means McCree was recruited into Blackwatch around age 17
hasty surge
also was there anything to suggest that who raised Mercy?
peak escarp
she's a close friend of the Lindholm family, so they probably fostered her
or at least sponsored her education
hasty surge
hmm then do we have anything to suggest at which age Mercy became an Orphan?
peak escarp
the earliest mention of her is from Torbjorn's letter to his wife, written about 23 years ago
she was 14 then, and she visits Torbjorn in the hospital
since her parents were "taken by war", I would assume her parents were deceased by then
hasty surge
but the war in question here was it the 1st ominic crisis?
peak escarp
I would assume so
it's the only war we know of in the OW timeline
I made a post a while ago breaking down Mercy's personal timeline
peak escarp
the first omnic crisis started around 30 years ago and ended around 25 years ago
Overwatch was founded somewhere in that time
hasty surge
then can we assume that she has been living with her parents at least until age 7?
peak escarp
I guess so
if her parents died in the war then she would have been orphaned somewhere between the ages of 7 and 12
hasty surge
yup
pliant sparrow
was the omnic crisis the largest loss of human life in a war ever?
hasty surge
and we are facing oninic crisis 2 now?
worthy rose
Only in Russia it's considered to be a full-blown Human-Omnic war
In the rest of Europe it's mostly just the Null Sector/Talon causing shit, but not a full world war as of yet
I didn't know
charred lodge
We are not supposed to get a new map.
grand tangle
What´s the point of McCree commenting "Ashe has never liked the coffee here" on Route 66 sometimes ?
frigid grove
You guys were talking about Mercy and the Omnic war
grand tangle
good memories ? he doesn´t really seem to like Ashe. Personally, If I don´t like someone I don´t talk about them
peak escarp
I'm pretty sure I mentioned Mercy and Pharah's ages where it was relevant
frigid grove
@grand tangle maybe he didn't like what Ashe had become
pliant sparrow
he used to be close with her
he's not anymore but he seemed to enjoy his time with deadlock gang
peak escarp
Ashe and McCree had good memories together
Ashe only hates him now because he betrayed the family by joining Blackwatch
timid eagle
Is there a reason why Ana and Baptiste's respective short stories are not on the OW2 timeline?
peak escarp
a few of the shorts and most of the comics aren't either
it's a very selective timeline
it also only covers Overwatch - it doesn't cover Talon's side of the timeline
celest fulcrum
I want the French officer to be part of the lore 🥺
celest fulcrum
I meann- like more. U know? 💀
opaque tundra
i want the french omnic to be the mastermind of Talon
limpid agate
He isnt.
He's just the money laundering accountant
With a number of business ventures that also bring in profits to Talon
normal patrol
I think they meant the omnic in zero hour, not max
limpid agate
Oh Zero Hour
I got confused
I thought you were talking about Storm Rising
My bad
The Omnic from Zero Hour has nothing to do with Talon, that's silly
I'm pretty sure they meant Max.
Who is from Monaco, which is a city state in France.
normal patrol
Yeah that would be kinda silly, I just wanted to clarify who they meant earlier
limpid agate
I'm pretty sure they meant Max
pliant sparrow
knowing some of the questions asked here i doubt they meant max
steady fjord
Someone know what Grey mean?
peak escarp
nothing
it's just a broken texture
some artist was probably told "make it grey" and decided to have a sense of humor about it
opaque tundra
I meant zero Hour omnic it's ok
limpid agate
Why would that omnic have any remote relation to Talon
limpid agate
!!shitposting
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grizzled fulcrum
BUT OKAY, i like the fanarts here
limpid agate
Then don't shitpost.
lament prawn
i doubt that grey thing is just a broken texture
it was added in deliberately late into the map and there was enough circulation about it for them to notice and fix it
lament prawn
o
limpid agate
More reasons why ship posting is shit posting.
rotund jay
id suggest a designated shitposting channel but i'm too lazy to send modmail
iron plume
wicked nexus
who is the true villain? genji or hanzo
valid terrace
What do you think Bap is up to if he isn’t joining Overwatch?
limpid agate
Probably the same thing McCree is up to
clever rivet
He more or less will join OW based on the ending of his short story. If not, he'll probably wander and avoid Talon.
valid terrace
Fair
Do you guys think Pharah will join up once she realizes the opportunity is there, or would she stay with Helix
worthy rose
I meant like, what's the best place to start? The cinematics or the comics? And is there any particular order it would be best to read/watch them in?
valid terrace
They’re fairly independent from each other but I’d recommend cinematics then comics then short stories
worthy rose
I didn't know there were short stories as well oof
valid terrace
Then media posts and extra stuff if you’re brave
There’s only 2
And they’re like 5 pages without pictures
Character Bios are good as well
worthy rose
Where can you find the comics/stories/bios?
valid terrace
Tap the top where it says lore-discussion
Then tap pinned messages
There’s a few lists
worthy rose
I can probably find the chronological order of them somewhere
valid terrace
@peak escarp has a pretty accurate list
He checks here pretty often he can post it when he sees
worthy rose
Alright, thanks
limpid agate
Anubis was put into the Anubis facility
Which looks like its built into the great pyramids of Giza?
Or at least
A big tech pyramid
That is in Giza
Yes
PMC
Its recently started
Not as recent as Null Sector's invasion
But recently
wicked nexus
they say that reaper/gabe wasn't evil when he join blackwatch. is it true?
limpid agate
Joined Blackwatch isnt exactly the right word
It was kinda created for him
He used to be the leader of Overwatch
But Jack was a better leader, so Jack took that job
And Reyes got Blackwatch instead
Which he preferred anyways
He only became "evil" in recent years
Retribution is the start of his downward spiral
gleaming quest
I don't necessarily think he preferred it. He was pushed to the side and the bitterness built up.
frosty shell
I have an admittedly mostly unsupported theory that Reaper wants to bring Overwatch back in a stronger form by starting a global war
worthy rose
@gleaming quest IIRC Chu said he preferred to be out of the spotlight.
Makes sense, but it's something else instead.
gleaming quest
I have so many problems with Michael Chu but I do accept his statements
frosty shell
He did want to be out of the spotlight at first
But he could've changed once Blackwatch was semi-suspended
limpid agate
He won't.
peak escarp
why do you care so much about his parents?
why not care about some important parents, like Pharah's father
even revealing Mercy's parents could be worthwhile, if they had a connection to the Lindholms
rose pecan
if your parents are not overwatch heroes or were at some point affiliated with overwatch or the omnic crisis, they usually don't get much spotlight
rare oracle
OW did a good job on the maps though actual places
molten quarry
What is hanzo's great-grandmothers' pet birds' uncles' middle name?
rose pecan
very likely to be lee or li
worthy rose
Anyone else curious if Emily is Irish or English? Random thought I know but has her nationality been confirmed?
rose pecan
presumed itsbritsh, but was never confirmed
worthy rose
Looks too pale to be English in this universe but what would I know? Just from what I see aside from people screaming ginger moaning Irish I can see it in her mannerisms slightly too???
Been reading the comic again recently and I would love if they do confirm it
I take it she doesn’t travel as much as Tracer either
rose pecan
widow looks to blue to be french? 😄
worthy rose
Difference there is resurrection or different health flow. I blame Moira
limpid agate
Resurrection?
Widow maker never died to begin with
She was never even put in a near death state
She was just genetically altered
clever rivet
What Talon did to Widow besides brainwash her was lower her heart rate. That makes her undetectable to things like thermal and heartbeat sensors because her heart rate is so low. Making her skin blue was just a side effect.
limpid agate
It was more because snipers slow their heart before they shoot for better precision
So Talon took the extra step
She was also said to be conditioned, not brain washed
clever rivet
ah
I need to review the timeline again because I haven't looked at it since like, mid 2017
valid terrace
I mean, that technically is brainwashing, it’s just the more manual approach
stable plinth
no, its well known here in france we all have blue skin
limpid agate
!!shitposting @stable plinth
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limpid agate
@valid terrace Brainwashing != Conditioning
It may be semantic
But that's the word that was used
Conditioning is... I'd say it's more gradual and internal
For instance
Every time someone says please, they get a dollar. Every time they don't, they get slapped. So they are conditioned to say please.
So they're conditioned to say please
But not brainwashed
hasty surge
So widow is conditioned to kill?
Or listen to talon?
I'm I right?
But how do you condition someone to kill their significant other
quaint cove
she was definitely brainwashed
pliant sparrow
brainwashing can change someone's entire personality too be an essentially different person mentally
it's a legitemately real thing although probably not as advanced as in the overwatch universe
and it normally starts from a much younger age
do we know if widow is effected by stockholm syndrome?
valid terrace
From the scattered sources I imagine her as something of a trophy wife
It’s not really that important to the character tho
As she hasn’t shown any internal growth or reflection on her past except when she visited the grave
Possibly just to remember the kill and nothing more
peak escarp
we don't know
not only does "brainwashing" have a different meaning to most people than "conditioning", the term "brainwashed" doesn't appear anywhere in Widowmaker's bio page
Talon operatives kidnapped her and subjected her to an intense program of neural reconditioning. They broke her will, suppressed her personality, and reprogrammed her as a sleeper agent. She was eventually found by Overwatch agents, apparently none the worse for wear, and returned to her normal life.
mystic python
Widow was 100 percent brainwashed
worthy rose
My poor Widow baby ;n;
mystic salmon
Is tracer technically a half ghost like Danny Phantom?
peak escarp
no
quaint cove
no, she's completely substantial bc she can't go through walls
mystic salmon
She disappeared for a bunch of years and never ate so I wasn't sure.
worthy rose
Gonna catch em all cuz she's Lena Oxton
mystic salmon
Oh.
peak escarp
She reappeared months later, but her ordeal had greatly changed her: her molecules had been desynchronized from the flow of time. Suffering from "chronal disassociation," she was a living ghost, disappearing for hours and days at a time. Even for the brief moments she was present, she was unable to maintain physical form.
quaint cove
and, as well as that she was going in and out of time, so, things like hunger and sleep probably wouldn't affect her?
river mason
