at least we know they do have exact years in mind for Overwatch, even if they won't tell us
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
the only year we've had mentioned in the lore was 2060, which was when Maximilien bought out Don Rumbotico
Almost two centuries ago, Clara and Basilio Diaz used their savings to open a small rum distillery. It was a modest family business, specializing in small batch, barrel-aged rum. Until 2060, few outside of Cuba knew the name Don Rumbotico, but the brand was wildly popular in Havana. Alicia, like the generations of Diazes before her, is an expert rum-maker. The classic Don Rumbotico recipe is a closely-guarded family secret, and one celebrated as a Cuban favorite.
limpid agate
Meaning the absolute earliest date the game takes place is 2067
The common speculation is just 10 years later
So it depends on how long Max has been running business
neon heron
wut is my lore
mystic summit
when do we see those damned kids again
limpid agate
Which kids
peak escarp
Timmy and Brian?
last inlet
museum boys
devout sable
probably never
peak escarp
it would be funny to see them in the background of something
like, as a cameo/easter egg
mystic summit
museum boys should be drinking age now
mystic summit
just sayin
limpid agate
It hasnt been 10 years
mystic summit
are we still technically in the "recall" phase of cinematics
peak escarp
yes
mystic summit
time has barely gone by
peak escarp
although they've said that's wrapping up
limpid agate
Correct
mystic summit
the heroes are still being introduced
peak escarp
very little time has passed in the story, and they keep telling the story out of sequence
bright edge
how long it took form that time DF was defeated by winston to the time when they retrieved gauntlet?
peak escarp
Doomfist was defeated by Winston 6 years before Doomfist attacked Numbani and stole the gauntlet back
bright edge
and how long Genji has this particular cybernetic body?
peak escarp
we don't know exactly when he got his cyber body
but it happened at least 9 years ago, probably more
bright edge
yeah, i'm trying to place it in time between sparrow and his standard skin
Rialto mission was 8 years ago and that's when he had his blackwatch body
peak escarp
yes
we don't know when before that that he fought Hanzo and how long his recovery took
timid eagle
I’m down. She seems like a cool cyborg.
fallen grove
I'm 90% sure it will be echo
craggy wharf
Sojourn is confirmed to be an upcoming hero. So is Echo...
fallen grove
I'm still waiting on lao(I think his name was that). The one that was in the animated short of winston calling overwatch members back. Not many people have noticed it but hes also been seen sitting around a desk with talon
Ah nope nvm not liao it's another one
Dude with 3 spikes in his hair to the side that's in the old picture of overwatch with soldier, ana, rein, little pharah etc
devout sable
the mohawk guy, right?
fallen grove
Yup
craggy wharf
Question to everyone:
Out of all of the unanswered questions out there about the lore, what question do you want answered the most, and why?
devout sable
My list:
• what happened for the omniums to reactivate and attack humanity?
• how exactly did Overwatch neutralize them?
• where are all the civilian omnics from and what exactly were they doing during the Omnic Crisis?
• what exactly happened in the Overwatch HQ explosion?
• what's the deal with the eye conspiracy thing? (ironically I care about this one the least)
ripe dove
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devout sable
It's annoying because except for the last one, these are either basic worldbuilding stuff (wherabouts of civilian omnics during the Omnic Crisis, how the omniums were pacified), or known by several characters in the cast (Overwatch HQ explosion)
Like, by now we should've at least gotten Jack's perspective of what happened at the Overwatch HQ
Jack should've told Ana all about it
But we get nothing
craggy wharf
yea, I agree with those, I feel like we need the worldbuilding before the rest of the story can really begin
worthy rose
- Yet to be discovered if ever talked about
- They did coordinated attacks on all the omniums up until the golden age of Overwatch I assume. Like before they recruited others and became more than a strike team I'd say.
- I don't necessarily think there is like a civilian omnic back then. I think there was just labor units who worked on that but that was about it. As for what they did, Likely either shut down or destroyed or in hiding. If they had sentience then likely the ladder but otherwise shut down I'd say given how many King's row omnics there seem to be and given King's row's stigma against omnics, I'd think it's safe to say they were shut down since I doubt the UK made any more of them.
worthy rose
I'd like to see some questions about Reaper answered
But not really questions about how he works because I care only up to a certain point, I don't take him too seriously
I'd like to know what happened to him when he fought Morrison and also why he was stalking that family
limpid agate
what question do you want answered the most
-
Omnic Crisis - Why it happened, what OW did to shut them down -> Can explain why Russia/Korea are still at war
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Anubis - What is it really -> Silence the Athena/Anubis correlation, explain more about an interesting mystery character, makes a good 1 off short around the start of Overwatch's downfall
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Sombra's Eye - Is it the Iris? What is it? -> Want validation of theories, but its also a potential big deal in the big picture.
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Talon Associates - Is Casino related to Max? Is Sanjay more than just a suit? Is the ex-Overwatch mohawk guy with bionic pecs on that council? -> Want to learn more about this selection of characters in general.
-
Shimada Dragons - Just say they're hard light -> I hate hearing that magic exists.
worthy rose
Another Meka pilot, and probably the most likely to be connected to other characters in the lore.
craggy wharf
got it
strange notch
limpid agate
!!shitposting @strange notch
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strange notch
What is !! shitposting
craggy wharf
Thanks
limpid agate
@strange notch Shitposting is a post that is shit. It does not comply to serious discussion strictly related to lore. Example: Random emote spam.
strange notch
Oh ok sry i was just going to a channel where people were not talking just to look at the emotes... My b
frosty shell
Also, mohawk guy is not Liao.
Liao was likely going to be in the cancelled First Strike graphic novel
@Lorenerd's list is good too
Also lore semi-misconception that's really common
It is never said that Overwatch shut down the Omniums themselves
It is just said that OW took out the Omnic command and control
And that Russia shut down their Omnium without the help of Overwatch
I'd love to know more about the Crisis
"Where did the civilian Omnics come from" is a huge deal for me
devout sable
@frosty shell I like to use "pacify" and "neutralize" when talking of what Overwatch did with the omniums
cause we don't really know if they disabled them, or rendered them non-hostile, or anything
which, again, is the kind of thing that should be known in-universe
limpid agate
Any mystery that should be known in universe should not be a mystery
frosty shell
Yep, though presumably the Nigerian and Australian Omniums remained operable after the Crisis
peak escarp
biggest mystery I want answered (since everyone else covered the heavy stuff) is what happened to McCree's arm
frosty shell
Yeah that's a good one
devout sable
well, up until recently, everyone's guess was that Deadlock happened
peak escarp
but it turns out that wasn't it
devout sable
so now we've got nothing
frosty shell
Couldn't it have still been a possibility that Deadlock did it, just not BOB and not right there?
peak escarp
I thought it happened during Uprising (we see McCree get ambushed in the comic), but Torbjorn doesn't know about it so that got ruled out
frosty shell
When is it said that Torb doesn't know?
peak escarp
frosty shell
OK
peak escarp
maybe it happened when McCree went looking for Ana
frosty shell
I wonder if McCree didn't lose his arm in one piece, but damaged his arm and preferred to replace the whole thing in order to shoot better
limpid agate
If Torb doesn't know
frosty shell
Wouldn't Torb have known about it if it happened during the Ana trip?
limpid agate
its post OW
frosty shell
Yeah exactly
peak escarp
not if McCree didn't go back to Overwatch after looking for Ana
he did leave before the fall (although we don't know when)
limpid agate
If McCree just disappeared after losing his arm and failing to find Ana
There would probably be a bigger deal about a "disappearance"
Plus his cited reason of leaving was because he didn't want to choose sides in the civil war
Not anything about failing to find Ana
frosty shell
It seems that civilian Omnics lived near omniums, given that Numbani is located near an omnium and that the Australian Omnics got to keep their omnium and the surrounding territory
Though I've belabored this point already in many previous discussions
devout sable
McCree went looking for Ana?
frosty shell
Says so in Bastet
peak escarp
Reyes sent him to look for her after she went MIA
he wouldn't accept that she was dead
devout sable
@frosty shell someone had a theory that civilian omnics were kept unconscious within the omniums, linked up to its systems and used for processing power during the war effort
I kinda like that one
frosty shell
Makes sense
I imagine the first Omnics to come out of the reactivated Omniums were civilian types too
Speaking of that, here's an inconsistency in a theory I have which mostly fits the evidence
It appears that the OR-14s were built in the Omniums before the Crisis
From Orisa's story page: "Originally put into service before the Omnic Crisis, the OR14 "Idina" line of security robots was built in Nigeria's massive manufacturing omnium. After the war, they were taken out of production, along with many of the other models used during the crisis. "
I even wonder if "OR" stands for "Omnica Robotics" or similar
worthy rose
OR is just to justify OR-15 -> Orisa
frosty shell
It is
But it fits the theory as a headcanon (though it isn't great evidence for the theory)
This indicates that Omnica did make non-civilian robots, though I doubt they'd be as dangerous as the Crisis versions
The Bastions, however, were designed for SST Labs not Omnica
(we know they're separate companies, at least now, because SST is on the Numbani stock ticker)
However, if Omnica did indeed make OR-14s, why are the Crusaders unfamiliar with them?
limpid agate
They may have designed them, but not put them into production
frosty shell
It says they were "put into service" before the Crisis
limpid agate
The Omniums were self-improving factories that took whatever designs that were optimal and weaponized them
!!loreHeroes orisa
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frosty shell
Admittedly, there are ways around my theory
limpid agate
Originally put into service before the Omnic Crisis, the OR14 "Idina" line of security robots was built in Nigeria's massive manufacturing omnium
Probably because Germany isn't in Africa
frosty shell
I already quoted that
limpid agate
If it was just the nigerian one
frosty shell
Yeah, but couldn't all the Omniums have started making OR-14s after the Crisis started?
frosty shell
That we know
limpid agate
They probably only were expecting what it was already making
And then this new thing comes out
"What is that"
"We weren't briefed on African designs"
frosty shell
Yeah that's obviously a possibility
A good counterargument is that the Omniums might not've thought that OR-14s would be necessary until now
limpid agate
Its like going into a war expecting to fight Tie Fighters, and the Empire busts out Republican Delta class fighters
For a Star Wars example
frosty shell
Yep
limpid agate
Delta class fighters were the "Jedi starfighters"
So throwing out a wave of 10 or 20 of them would be unexpected
Especially when they no longer have Jedi
But they still have the ships plans in the databanks
They used to make them
frosty shell
However, that blows holes in my theory that civilian Omnics were being actively produced by the Omniums because at the start of the crisis they only had civilian plans
Because I imagine that if Omnica made OR-14s the Nigerian omnium could just send over the plans to all the Omniums
So perhaps Omnica didn't make OR-14s, as while the wording certainly implies that it's not outright stated, or they acquired the Bastion plans or similar fast enough that they didn't need to build the OR-14s, or Omnica made other battle robots they could use in the early days, or my theory about civilian Omnics could be completely wrong of course
The theory that civilian Omnics were used for processing power makes sense
devout sable
@fallen grove https://imgur.com/a/sF6yMsE
here's all instances of the mohawk guy
might not be the same person on each of those
@frosty shell one thing we can say for sure is that Bastions were used all over the place
and probably so were OR-14s, even though they were a late introduction
frosty shell
The civilian Omnics would also be able to do many different tasks
fallen grove
He is in a comic too
Not his face, but his hair style is in a comic where theres a talon meeting
frosty shell
One of the big advantages the Omnics would have is that they can probably design new weapons in a fraction of the time that humans could
devout sable
@fallen grove yeah, I included that
fallen grove
Ah okay
peak escarp
the first Doomfist was the "saviour of Numbani"
limpid agate
Wrong
He killed the Scourge ~6-7 years ago
He destroyed the OR15s in the present day
frosty shell
Wouldn't that be 6-8 years ago?
exotic rock
when he killed the scourge THEN he wreaked havoc in numbani
exotic rock
maybe lol
frosty shell
That was in Singapore 6 years before
limpid agate
The Doomfist anime was in Singapore
frosty shell
Nice to see you learn
devout sable
The timeline is as follows:
• 8 years ago: Ogundimu defeats his mentor and claims the mantle of Doomfist
• 6 years ago: Storm Rising happens, the Overwatch strike team finds out about Doomfist's whereabouts from Max and ambushes Doomfist in Singapure (the confrontation is shown in Doomfist origin story), Doomfist is then defeated by Winston, captured, and held in a Helix facility for 6 years.
• present day, February: Doomfist is broken out by Reaper, travels to Monaco and Venice to settle some matters with other Talon members (Masquerade comic)
• present day, March (?): Doomfist steals his gauntlet from the Numbani Heritage Museum and trashes the city's OR-15 units
worthy rose
Sigma is the most interesting character storyline wise
Fight me
I don't find him interesting at all.
true fulcrum
I love Sig's lore
wooden sable
yeah, its really cool
abstract crater
Sigma’s story is definitely the most interesting
I’m pretty sure you can find a video of it on YouTube
lament prawn
this is a lore channel
foggy notch
Did Bob rip Cree's arm?
iron plume
Twitter
timid eagle
@foggy notch No, Bob didn't. Ashe was trying to threaten McCree when he sent them off on that payload.
While it hasn't been confirmed, a lot of people have speculated that McCree lost his arm during his recon mission in London during the Null Sector Uprising.
valid terrace
vacation
plain hawk
peak escarp
rude
iron plume
hamstermilk please log into main
limpid agate
@timid eagle Unlikely. Torb didn't know he was missing his arm
He most likely lost it after he left Overwatch
limpid agate
@distant swan Its not lore
distant swan
limpid agate
What
The existence of ELO Hell or the lack thereof
Has literally nothing to do with Overwatch's story
Its not lore. I will not repeat myself again.
hasty surge
Why does jewvia even bother explaining lol
wintry verge
@limpid agate you do know they are talking about McCree
weak granite
Michael Chu is a shitty writer. Applause
devout sable
and you are saying that based on what?
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worthy rose
Then he fits perfectly into Blizzard
devout sable
@weak granite again, either talk about something specific or say nothing
weak granite
Wow unironically defending Michael Chu
iron plume
unironically being a dva main
devout sable
defending him over fucking what. you still have't said shit about any actual problems
livid marten
@weak granite please don’t just mindlessly argue or rant here. This channel is for serious discussion only.
If you’re willing to properly discuss lore related stuff then go ahead, otherwise please chat somewhere else.
weak granite
Lmao
devout sable
@livid marten something tells me they're just gonna keep shitposting
peak escarp
personally I don't find him that interesting, but you do you
stone frigate
valid terrace
I want a character that’s more connected to the Omniums and with some motivation to reactivate them
It could explain away why some are still active
worthy rose
i hope
peak escarp
I'd rather have it as a separate game, so the competitive players and people who don't care about story can stick with original OW
rose pecan
you think both games will have continued support? Kinda doubt it, but lore wise it would be great, especially if new pve maps are introduced with own story (as well as pve characters or similar)
dry portal
You realize if a second game is made they’ll probably make a second team for that game aswell
lament prawn
what
it'll be part of the overwatch franchise, throwing out the current heroes and introducing new ones we dont know would be dumb
tidal crest
valid terrace
Theoretically yes but it’s so far in the future he is just irrelevant and or dead
zealous ermine
Wait isn’t a mercy like in her early 40’s?
dry portal
37
limpid agate
@wintry verge
McCree
I deleted the messages I was warning him for.
A second team
What did you mean by this?
@dry portal
peak escarp
why wouldnt the Overwatch team make it?
dry portal
I’d just think they would manage the second game with a second team
If the second game is gonna be more lore focused
peak escarp
the Overwatch team is probably big enough to handle a spinoff game
timber sundial
am i allowed to post links in this channel?
peak escarp
if they're relevant to the lore
timber sundial
its relevant
im just writing someone about the lore and was wondering if i could post it when its doen
its not fanfic
peak escarp
I guess that would be okay then
devout fjord
a lot of heroes have really strong wrists
firing shotguns and revolvers one handed isn’t easy
dry portal
They probably have to train a lot to do that
I mean Reaper is a very, very heavily trained soldier
And Mcree is a former bandit and black ops member
So they def have a lot of training
limpid agate
Reaper is not just trained
He is literally super human
And I'm not talking about the smoke
sharp trench
Reaper before he got turned into Reaper was part of blackwatch
prisma wren
is the irin doomfist skin canon?
peak escarp
no
wintry verge
a
wild mulch
Agreed
worthy rose
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hasty jacinth
The lore is kinda hard to understand, and I'm thinking of writing a short book series about the lore and history of Overwatch. Anyone up to help me out a bit?
Probably gonna start with the omnic crisis
Or something significant
peak escarp
we don't know much about the omnic crisis
hasty jacinth
That's why it would be good to write a book about it
A fan made extension of the lore
That goes more in depth
peak escarp
we like to leave writing the lore to the professionals
hasty jacinth
Bruh
peak escarp
Fanfiction is not canon and should not be discussed here.
hasty jacinth
Do we know anything about the civilian omnics?
Like, where were they while the omnic battles were happening
devout sable
not much, unfortunately
I presume they were a thing before the Omnic Crisis
a theory that's popular around here is that they were kept unconscious within the omniums during the Crisis, linked up with the systems and used for processing power
@peak escarp I do think a fan effort to expand on the lore wouldn't be too bad, as long as it stayed consistent with the lore that we do have
it's just... all but impossible to make sense of it all
with all the unknowns that we have
I was surprised that I was actually able to come up with a workable theory for Sombra's conspiracy thing
foggy notch
Theres an interaction between reaper and moira before the match starts
Which shows reaper isnt satisfied with what moira had done to him
I know he asked her to do these stuff to him but did he really wanted get this far?
worthy rose
You mean this?
"Moira: Your body seems to be adapting well to the changes, Gabriel.
Reaper: You call this "well"?"
Well yeah, he was visibly stressed in the Moira origin story when he was being given those wraith powers
golden valve
moria deff fucked reaper at some point
devout sable
Reyes seems to have been fine at first
iron plume
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devout sable
but then his condition deteriorated greatly
also, I think they meant that in the sense of "fucked him up"?
iron plume
but yes, I don't think he's pissed at her for the condition
worthy rose
Depends when Moira started experimenting on him
iron plume
sure
valid terrace
Probably when she joined Blackwatch
worthy rose
He still did not have those wraith powers in Retribution
devout sable
he might've, actually
worthy rose
Well he did in the game, but for gameplay reasons
devout sable
Moira and Reyes talk about the possibility of "side effects"
iron plume
or rather she brings up her enhancements
we don't know whether the powers were already manifesting but she did experiment on him before then
worthy rose
The possibility, depends if they were already showing
I'll look into it
You're talking about this? @devout sable
"Moira : How are you feeling, commander?
Reyes : Fine. No ill effects so far.
Moira : Let me know if that changes."
That would imply he was already starting to have wraith powers, yes
valid terrace
I’d like to think she isn’t solely responsible for the changes either, as he may very well have been deteriorating as a side effect of the Soldier treatment, and Moira helped him adapt to the situation and control it.
There just isn’t enough to say either way
But having his wraith powers come from within makes for a better plot point imo
peak escarp
I think what she did was only possible because of his SEP conditioning
if she did that to an ordinary person they wouldnt have survived
worthy rose
That probably played a role, yes
valid terrace
At first yes, but tinkering with Reyes let her understand and replicate the ‘wraith form’ for normal people.
worthy rose
Since Reyes and all the other people who participated in the SEP were basically superhumans
So stronger and more endurant than normal humans
valid terrace
Unless Sniper teleports aren’t canon idk
devout sable
@peak escarp I think she might've done some of that – a "lite" version of sorts – to Talon snipers
valid terrace
And to herself most likely
devout sable
yeah
peak escarp
my thoughts on the snipers (and Moira herself) is that she used some of Reyes's DNA to juice them
giving them powers like his
devout sable
the way that'd work is that it doesn't make them unkillable the way Reaper is
but it does grant them that extra mobility
peak escarp
exactly
worthy rose
alright guys so i dont understand why lucio ball is canon to overwatches story
someone explain rq
peak escarp
it isn't
worthy rose
Both lucioball and role queue are just gameplay things that have no effect on the lore.
opaque tundra
If something like Lucio ball did exist in the lore, that would be so confusing yet entertaining at the same time
opaque tundra
Maybe Lucio invented a new sport that forced everyone to dress up as him
And have the same technology
Why do hover vehicles exist if there's technology that allows ppl to fly
peak escarp
flying is very fuel inefficient
zinc vector
Guys what do you think about Overwatch 2
teal meadow
that if it's real, that means Lucio is a new member of overwatch
craggy wharf
I mean, did we ever doubt that at some point everyone would either become part of OW or Talon? They clearly have been grouping them up since the beginning, so it would only make sense
if the leaks are true, then I suspect that the Rio mission will be where OW & Lucio meet up for the first time
The question then becomes, if the Rio mission is real, what 4 characters will be playable?
We can likely assume Lucio, but then who are the three others?
devout sable
@craggy wharf everyone? not too sure about that
craggy wharf
would wouldn't be directly aligned with either OW or Talon?
worthy rose
Probably not
Let me explain
As of the lore is rn; Lucio is a world renowned DJ celebrity; He, as of right now, doesn't have any connection to any of the members. While I agree it's likely that he will probably join OW in story, I don't think he'll be instantly OW right away, I think it'll be something along the lines of, as you progress, you unlock more heroes that get recruited into the game.
Also some characters are just hard neutral. Wrecking Ball, Ashe, and DVA are doing their own thing even if their own moral alignments may sway one or the other. DVA can't leave Korea due to the gwishin and thus will likely be unable to join OW until the Gwishin is handled. Wrecking ball literally only wants to explore the world and have a good time. Ashe is running her own gang and based on her M.O, she's a thief of sorts who weapons smuggles but being an outright terrorist I wouldn't say fits her and joining Talon doesn't seem to be something I'd think she'd do. Do business with them? Probably. Actually do the dirty work for Talon? No.
craggy wharf
I guess. Then I would like to change my statement, that in OW 2 everyone will be aligned with either OW or Talon.
Dva: OW
Ashe: Talon
Wrecking Ball: If he teams up with Junkrat/Hog, then Talon
lament prawn
ashe is her own boss, she doesnt work for anyone and does not want to
devout sable
yeah, it would be pretty bizarre
lament prawn
hammond just wants to explore, not be a terrorist
worthy rose
I think heroes should retain their autonomy and not be categorized into one of the two blocks
I like how currently all the Talon heroes have their own agenda and their belonging to that faction doesn't strip them of their individuality
devout sable
I do think Junkrat and Roadhog could do some paid gigs for Talon, and a lot of independent heroes could eventually join Overwatch
autumn oasis
Ashe is not working with Talon she is her own boss i think it would say nuetral on her instead
devout sable
but that's it
it definitely won't, and shouldn't be a "literally everyone picks a side" thing
worthy rose
I would find it very cringy actually
autumn oasis
Welp i would not like it if it said Ashe, Roadhog, Junkrat would be saying Talon becuasd that would not work becuase they're on there own it would make more sense if it would say on them Nuetral
worthy rose
The Overwatch story shouldn't be restricted to the whole drama surrounding Talon
That would just snuff out the individual stories of the heroes
autumn oasis
Yeah it shouldnt be Talon vs Overwatch only becuase then they woukd just leave the omnic crisis and all of those good parts and blackwatch
worthy rose
Not just that, mainly because it would make the world feel much smaller
That conflict should just be restricted to Europe but you can have other conflicts in other parts of the world, like Russia vs. the omnics, the drama with Vishkar, etc.
I'd really hate if everyone just converged into one storyline, it would make things so much more boring
autumn oasis
Yup it rlly would and we cant just ignore the Iris i think that the Iris would be quiet interesting to see some more about
Yeah it kinda would
But we have a little ticket in though to Russia vs the Omincs from the sombra Cinema where Zarya came in
peak escarp
. . . you joined an Overwatch server and you don't know what Overwatch is?
quasi leaf
widowmakerXtracer????
peak escarp
no
quasi leaf
lmao yes
peak escarp
not canon
peak escarp
seriously? Tracer hates Widowmaker's guts and would probably rather die than be in a relationship with her
quasi leaf
Hi im kassy, tylers friend andddd....
worthy rose
There's nothing to suggest a relationship, they haven't even met more than a few times (plus a possible few months between Uprising and Retribution), and they hate each other because they tried to kill each other twice in the span of at most a couple months. And Tracer's already with Emily.
quasi leaf
widow hates tracer but secretly tracer loves widow! thats why tracer goes after widow! what about he two weeks that widow get sent back to overwatch/
what do you think happens between them.
worthy rose
Sent back to overwatch?
peak escarp
she was a victim of whatever Talon did to her
quasi leaf
yes
peak escarp
and also married to Gerard
worthy rose
Source on that
quasi leaf
there was a two weeks spam that widow went back to overwatch
peak escarp
Two weeks later she killed Gérard in his sleep.```She went back as a sleeper agent. Nothing to suggest that anything happened. And she was still married during that time. And that was six years ago.
peak escarp
Tracer would not "secretly love" the woman who killed Mondatta
crystal jolt
huh i don't know wut any of you are talking about
worthy rose
Pharmercy is also cute but they've already practically confirmed mercy and genji
And it would be really stupid for literal mortal enemies to suddenly forget their entire backstories and fall in love.
peak escarp
it would be incredibly stupid
it's a good thing Overwatch lore isn't written by 12-year-olds
worthy rose
It would be like one of those cringy fanfictions where D.Va and Pharah decide to drop everything and work security for Lucio's show, then they get attacked by Talon for some reason and Newverwatch decides to come in, so they all drop everything again and decide to join up.
quasi leaf
i am not 12, im 16
worthy rose
And they all fall in love just because
quasi leaf
I am a gay girl and wold love to see it
peak escarp
good for you
quasi leaf
idgaf but a lot of girls would love to see this
peak escarp
still not going to happen
quasi leaf
one day it will
limpid agate
What's this about
quasi leaf
(tyler is comming back. bye )
limpid agate
@quasi leaf Ship posting is shit posting
You want to make Widowtracer posts, keep it outside where it belongs
limpid agate
I don't care who is typing, you are responsible for your own account
Don't call people bitch either
Consider this your final warning
quasi leaf
jkkk
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards
worthy rose
The lore says that Genji found peace when he had Zenyatta help him after he left Overwatch
But he seems a lot better in Storm Rising already
peak escarp
healing is not linear progress
he might have been getting better, but then had a setback that made him worse
like getting thrown into a car by Doomfist
and being taken out of the fight because his cybernetics were damaged
limpid agate
It's also only around Mercy where he has been shown to be more relaxed
He doesn't have similarly comfortable interactions with the rest
autumn oasis
Hey ya guys im just wondering does any of you know a little bit more about reapers lore ik pretty much the basics that he was in blackwatch and he got turned into that thing by Moira and later in joined Talon and that Jack got the Formal thingy promote
Thingy
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worthy rose
Reyes was BFFs with Morrison through the SEP and for most of Overwatch. He was the original leader of the Overwatch strike team, but after the Omnic War ended Morrison became the leader of Overwatch the crime-stopping organization. Chu confirmed that Reyes was ok with it because he didn't want the spotlight.
Then he hired Moira and got augmented (although we don't know if he had his full powers prior to the HQ explosion), possibly because of genetic issues involving the SEP modifications.
Then things get blurry. It's clear that there was a rift between Reyes and Morrison, but most of the original hypotheses were shot down by new lore or official statements. It's likely that Talon blew up the HQ, but some stuff doesn't line up ("they did this to me", but Reaper is a leader in Talon). We'll probably get a massive plot twist that no one expected eventually, and everything will make sense.
Actually, what if Sombra's conspiracy was behind everything? Overwatch is infiltrated, Reyes notices. Morrison and Reyes have an argument about whether this thing exists, causing Reyes to suspect Morrison of working with them to take over the world. This culminates in a fight, during which the conspiracy leaders realize controlling Overwatch isn't worth it, so they blow up the HQ and think everybody dies. Reyes goes to the next most powerful organization he can think of--Talon. He needs resources, and it aligns with Talon's goals to not get overrun by this conspiracy. He sets off being edgy and killing people he thinks were infiltrators in Overwatch. Mondatta was for Talon's normal goals, but he's also to create more chaos so Talon has more breathing room to get things done without revealing themselves. The gauntlet was Reyes' concession with Doomfist: Get the gauntlet, and DF can help more with fighting this conspiracy instead of his normal conflict thing. Any gaping holes that anyone can see?
autumn oasis
Thx
worthy rose
The second thing was just a theory though
Don't take that as canon, and it probably won't be.
autumn oasis
Alright ty
crystal jolt
ok im back
worthy rose
?
devout sable
worthy rose
That could be true. But imagine how anticlimactic it would be if Sombra's big enemy that she's basically spent her whole adult life fighting is actually just automated Wikipedia. There's no way they're just dropping an obvious plot hook like that.
white cobalt
Spoilers of new ow || https://gear.blizzard.com/media/catalog/product/cache/708c010b20c27f48fca8719d434040d2/1/9/19-ow2-fine-art-gallery.png ||
worthy rose
I hope you can play as the antagonist, it would be a mastodontic missed opportunity if Talon heroes only served as enemy bosses
quasi leaf
Ok I’m back from being muted, sorry about earlier
limpid agate
Where are ||Torb and Bastion?|| @white cobalt
I guess those 2 were always in the
"maybe" category
But its interesting they aren't there and ||Mercy|| is
frosty shell
Yeah I guess they weren't part of the first group
Whatever happens with Baptiste and Mercy might get her to join
limpid agate
I can see why people thought ||Echo would be hero 32||
If this is the art that they got
But ||the Sojourn models|| make it rather questionable and confusing
Which one is it?
I guess if I had to make a personal guess
Based on all the info we have
white cobalt
|| https://gear.blizzard.com/media/catalog/product/cache/0b71f7e2a676607f0998b860f42844dc/1/9/19-ow2-fine-art-gallery.png || Opening this link is better quality
limpid agate
||Echo is hero 32, Sojourn is on comms for now, Blizzcon mission is the Battle of Rio, the playable team is Tracer, Reinhardt, Lucio, and either Mercy or a 4th non-Mercy hero, and Mercy is also on comms||
But given this roster
I'd guess ||Tracer/Rein/Lucio/Mercy||
The only other options are either ||second tank Winston, second healer Brig, Genji, or Mei||
white cobalt
I wasn't expecting || Mercy and Genji || being part of the new OW
Always thought || Mercy being stubborn about to join a new team and prefer to be helping injured people ||
iron plume
I'd hoped she wouldn't
peak escarp
click on it
iron plume
settings - text and images - show spoiler content always
if you want it to show up always
ocean granite
thx
limpid agate
||Mercy|| being there is bothersome
||Mercy, Soldier, and Brig are the 3 heroes against Overwatch||
||2/3 of them are here as part of Overwatch suddenly||
iron plume
||Brig's objection was mostly to the old power structure and people in charge, not the idea itself||
||Mercy|| is more bothersome to me
Maybe it's a "help out but not join" situation though
iron plume
I sure hope so
worthy rose
I'm afraid Mercy is not going to make her own MSF organization @iron plume
iron plume
and that it's not ||"don't you want to keep tracer/genji/brigitte safe"||
white cobalt
Also || Rein new armor, seems made by Brig, the logo on the left its shown in one of the Brig skins ||
worthy rose
Looks pretty interesting
I've got to wonder though
Does this mean the animated short at Blizzcon is about this game?
And not about Mercy, Baptiste, etc.
iron plume
probably sets it up
peak escarp
seems likely
iron plume
||"alright fine, thanks for saving me from Talon, i'll join new overwatch if you pay me one billion dollars, Winston, now off I go"
see what happens to mercy and the gang in overwatch 2||
tulip jetty
||aha i now know how to secret message||
peak escarp
I think either the short will set up OW2, or it will explain why ||Mercy rejoins Overwatch||
or maybe both
tulip jetty
foggy notch
Sigma's mental problems are both interesting and scary
Like what could a guy like that do to the society
Yelling "whats that melody"
Did he get mind blowm up in space?
Like in a shuttle or on a station?
peak escarp
on a space station
probably the one you can see a hologram of above Lijiang Towers Control Center
zinc vector
What are your thoghts on ||Overwatch 2||
peak escarp
read up a bit, we discussed it earlier
peak escarp
it looks interesting
zinc vector
yeah but litteraly every other hero has got a crap ton of lore
iron plume
lol
zinc vector
most of the important ones do
iron plume
what "crap ton of lore" does Lucio have, or Mercy, or Zarya
well zen isn't an important one
zinc vector
yeah good point but he litteraly made genji the cyborg he is
iron plume
The heroes that genuinely have a lot of lore are at the direct helm of either the old or the new overwatch conflicts
peak escarp
Zenyatta only made Genji be at peace with himself
peak escarp
it was Overwatch who made him a cyborg
iron plume
and that's about all he did that's relevant to the story
and we know about that so what's there to explore
zinc vector
what i meant is genji would not be in the game if it wasnt for zen
peak escarp
sure he would
iron plume
Zen wouldn't be in the game if it wasn't for Genji
peak escarp
he'd just be angrier
iron plume
Genji would just not have the plot point
zinc vector
ok
iron plume
he'd still be edgy, or he'd just spent years traveling, or he'd bang mercy and work it out
zinc vector
guys lets discuss what the futre of zen might be if he ever gets any more lore
iron plume
The Zen-relevant lore that has the biggest chance at happening is explanation/exploration of the Iris
because it's relevant to the world at large
we might see what caused Zen to leave the order
zinc vector
do you guys think that echo will be the next character
peak escarp
the best we could hope for with Zen is that he joins new Overwatch
peak escarp
but if he doesn't join he'll be even more irrelevant
joining is the best way to get him more lore
iron plume
I've brought up the best way to get him more lore
the Iris is a subject to which he of all heroes is the most directly related
in new overwatch he'd not be in the top 10
peak escarp
but the Iris is irrelevant to everyone except Zen
and why would we care about Zen if he's not part of the main story
iron plume
it's a worldwide religion
that has deep ties to the human-omnic conflict
and a personal influence on the game's poster girl
plus something something sombra maybe
peak escarp
maybe
iron plume
the rest aren't maybes though
it's not in the direct story
but overwatch isn't just about the direct story
zinc vector
cant wait to see the new overwatch
iron plume
if they're making books about the life of Numbani and Orisa, they can make an exploration of the world and philosophies
that happening isn't too likely
but if it does Zen will be front and center or at least near
whereas him joining overwatch is just "oh he does the same thing but in overwatch soooo that's it"
zinc vector
not to change the conversation or anything but do you guys think tracer is going to make it to smash??
peak escarp
him joining Overwatch would give a reason for exploring his backstory and the Iris - otherwise it's just worldbuilding for worldbuilding's sake
the Orisa book is relevant because of Doomfist
iron plume
that's still worldbuilding for worldbuilding sake
him being in ow doesn't make his religion any more relevant just because he's the 12th most important member of new overwatch
I'm not saying it's particularly likely
but if it happens it gives zen a lot
joining overwatch gives him a quarter of fuck all
zinc vector
@iron plume not to change the conversation or anything but do you guys think tracer is going to make it to smash??
zinc vector
oh ok
iron plume
also also don't ping me
zinc vector
ok
peak escarp
or both could happen
iron plume
well, yes
peak escarp
we could find out about the Iris and Zen could join Overwatch
iron plume
but the whole point was comparing the effects on his relevance
peak escarp
I still don't see how learning about the Iris would make Zen more relevant
iron plume
learning about iris is our best chance of getting more zen lore, in my view
zinc vector
what do you guys think of hanzo joining the new overwatch
iron plume
or at least zen lore that isn't "he's doing the same thing over here now"
peak escarp
I think Hanzo might join
he's got some soulsearching to do first, but once he has forgiven himself, he might go look up Genji
zinc vector
i dont think they will communicate well with each other
limpid agate
Hanzo has potential
He's the only antagonist that isn't really a villain
All the Talon cast with the exception of Sombra/Sigma have their reasons to be in Talon and not Overwatch.
And Junkrat/Roadhog are way too chaotic to ever team up with Overwatch
Sigma has no reason to change sides, he doesn't even fully understand what's going on
And Sombra... Plays the side that favours her most. Overwatch might not welcome her though.
valid terrace
Zarya isn’t really a villain either
limpid agate
She isn't an antagonist
She's in the same group as Lucio and D.Va
Unrelated to Overwatch but still heroes
valid terrace
I’d argue she’s less good than either of those two but in the same boat yeah
valid terrace
She’s really just a nationalist and that’s her character
limpid agate
She is still a hero, but she hates Omnics
She's okay with Lynx, and exclusively Lynx
valid terrace
She’s also under Volskaya’s thumb though, so if Katya decides to join Talon or forward the crisis we don’t actually know which way Zarya will go
I put her with Hanzo as lawful neutral
Sym also isn’t directly a villain there’s a decent grouping
limpid agate
under Volskaya’s thumb
1 - Not anymore
2 - Volskaya is also not under Talon's control
They explicitly tried to kill her because she wouldn't cooperate
And not only did she get out of it
She also scared the one who had leverage over her
As for Sym, I forgot she existed
She and Hanzo can have redemption arcs
But Zarya is 0% antagonistic
And neither is Volskaya
Neither of them would have any reason to oppose Overwatch
They might not welcome their aid
But they would not actively fight against them
Vishkar/Junkers/Talon/Hanzo are different
They would actively fight against them
Hanzo being the edge case, where its more specific that
He would actively fight against Genji
But is currently sorting through some shit
valid terrace
Fair
limpid agate
Zarya is in the same boat as Orisa or Zenyatta
Or DVa
Or Lucio
I also forgot about Ashe. She's another antagonist that won't join
valid terrace
I feel like Orisa/ Efi would love to join OW if someone realizes they exist
Also would you count Soldier as antagonistic?
limpid agate
Overwatch:
Tracer, Winston, Mei, Genji, Reinhardt, Brigitte
Former Overwatch Heroes:
Torbjorn, Soldier 76, Ana, McCree, Mercy^
Non-Overwatch Heroes:
Baptiste, Bastion, D.Va, Lucio^, Orisa, Pharah, Hammond, Zarya, Zenyatta
Antagonists:
Ashe, Hanzo, Junkrat, Roadhog, Symmetra
Minor Talon Antagonists:
Moira, Sombra, Sigma
Major Talon Villains:
Doomfist, Reaper, Widowmaker
^ - ||Leaked to be part of Overwatch, or at least on their mission in some capacity||
Of the heroes in antagonist and below
Hanzo is most likely to get a redemption/hero arc
Followed by Sym
And maybe Sigma, depending on how they write him
We know very little about Sigma
valid terrace
Right
limpid agate
The rest have no reason to ever join Overwatch
Either Overwatch has no reason to want them even if they would be willing to join for a price (Moira, Sombra, Junkers), or they would never consider joining (Ashe, Doomfist, Reaper, Widowmaker)
Moira just wants someone to fund her research and let her do it without limits, she isn't loyal to Talon specifically
Sombra is doing her own thing and is using Talon resources for it. In exchange she's an agent.
Junkers are 100% willing to "Go Legit" if it pays well and they get to keep making noise
But Overwatch wouldn't want any of those 4
valid terrace
Likely not yeah
Sombra could potentially bully her way in with information/ blackmail but I don’t see a good reason to do so
limpid agate
Ashe is too loyal to her gang and wants things to be done her way specifically, rather than answer to someone
Doomfist's goals directly go against Overwatch's
Reaper wants to kill Overwatch
Widowmaker is conditioned to obey Talon and enjoy murder
On the topic of that antagonist list
Looking at who would join Talon
Junkers would easily work for them
And Symmetra already is manipulated by a Talon leader, but she doesn't know it.
Ashe/Hanzo never will concede to Talon though
valid terrace
Wrecking Ball would be in a bit of a gray area as he doesn’t necessarily care what happens he just craves freedom
valid terrace
Has a done anything heroic, or even notably good?
As far as I know he’s only escaped the moon and beat on other gladiators
proud geyser
OK
So I was reading about Overwatch 2, and some 4chan leaker said that "Widowmaker is going to kill Tracer's Girlfriend and they will have a difficult relationship".
but 4chan leaks are almost always fake.
peak escarp
it's completely fake
zenith prawn
That sounds really, really fake.
Blizzard has made it abundantly clear that they don’t like Widowmaker / Tracer
valid terrace
Do you have any speculation as to Echo’s origin?
Specifically where she was made, not so much as her actual backstory
She has a clear Vishkar color set and possible hard light but her insignia is a bit off if it’s meant to be a brand of sorts
She could be in-house from OW glory days
Or from the Omniums or some one off creator like Efi
I think it’s one of those but if anyone has another suggestion like Talon or something I’d like to hear it
zenith prawn
Also why was she packed up inside of an apparent bomb casing?
valid terrace
Well that’s probably just a stasis pod of sorts and it’s bomb shape is likely coincidental
Unless it was a military enforced train I guess
teal meadow
but they leaked the image of a cutscene where Lucio was standing near soujorn, rein and mercy... doesn't mean he's with ow now?
foggy notch
Reaper: What did you find in there, rat?Junkrat: No idea what ya' sayin' mate.
Any ideas what they r talking about?
teal meadow
wha? when does he say that?
foggy notch
Temple of anubis
valid terrace
Probably Junkrat’s great treasure that he found in the depths of the Omnium
No one knows what it is other than it’s valuable
It’s also the motivation for him hiring Roadhog as a bodyguard so that’s viable
He has similar voice lines with other heroes but I’ve unfortunately not heard the Reaper one
spare flint
It's his awkward significance in the plot. It's like Junkrat and Roadhog they added as low-key jokes before deciding every hero needed to have a part in the lore and went "So, uhh, you have a treasure and people want it, and that's your role, I guess."
worthy rose
have we known why Reaper is so against OW ?
limpid agate
Not everyone is relevant
@worthy rose He used to be part of Overwatch
He blames then for his current corpselike state
Among other things
worthy rose
his current state is just due to his own experimenting isn't it? With help from Moira
limpid agate
Also the swiss HQ explosion
He looked normal before hand
Also, he didn't experiment on himself, he isn't a scientist
Its from a mix of the Soldier Enhancement Program and Moira.
worthy rose
we know he and Soldier go way back but what really happened to the team ?
limpid agate
30 years ago, it was Soldier/Rein/Reaper/Ana/Torb and someone named Liao who was never mentioned again
Over 20 years, it recruited many others including Mercy, McCree, Winston, Genji, Moira, and Tracer. Mei was also just a scientist
In the final year of Overwatch 6 years ago it all went to shit
Ana went MIA, McCree/Genji quit, Rein was forced to quit, and Soldier/Reaper fought to the death in their Swiss HQ, which exploded and made the world think both are dead
So it shutdown
worthy rose
right, Reaper formed BlackWatch. What caused them to fight to death in the Swiss HQ? Was it just bad blood over the time or was there a specific event at the time?
limpid agate
Blackwatch was also ~30 years ago
Reaper was given it
He used to be the leader of OW, but Soldier took his job
Which he was okay with. He wanted the blackops job instead
The Swiss HQ fight is a long story starting from Retribution
To keep it short, tensions grew between th two and it became a sort of civil war between Blackwatch and Overwatch
limpid agate
!!wiki
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hasty jacinth
How did winston come to earth?
limpid agate
Watch Hammond's origin short @hasty jacinth
limpid agate
No
hasty jacinth
To see if it could fit in the current lore
Is there a channel to talk about fan made lore??
You should make one
limpid agate
valid terrace
If it’s a theory, it can be discussed here, if it’s user made fiction without basis, it belongs elsewhere
hasty jacinth
But where
hasty jacinth
Is there a discord for fan made lore?
Cause people dont care in general chat
It makes sense
valid terrace
Not yet
devout sable
somewhere out there, probably
hasty jacinth
Imma make one I guess
valid terrace
At least not an official one
limpid agate
No advertising here
Especially not in this channel
This is a place for lore discussion only
valid terrace
Do you guys think the Rio mission with Lúcio will be against Vishkar or some other threat that Lúcio came back to help fight?
valid terrace
If that’s the case, then I’m honestly more interested to see Symmetra’s perspective than any of the good guys tbh
She would probably stay neutral and leave Vishkar midway through
Or at least sabotage them somehow
hasty jacinth
What are the origins of vishkar?
limpid agate
India
valid terrace
They were likely formed sometime after the crisis as a new Omnica of sorts
limpid agate
Not a new Omnica
What are you talking about
They have nothing to do with Omnic production
valid terrace
They both want to enhance civilization through technology
limpid agate
Not really
hasty jacinth
👌
limpid agate
They are war profiteers that exploit the masses under their domain and call it better
They go to places wrought with poverty, build a city, and then use the locals for cheap labour
valid terrace
And Omnica was caught lying and I think embezzling?
Both share some wider similarities
As the ‘big corporation with a smile’
At least how I see it
limpid agate
Omnica was shut down for fraud
Vishkar is colonizing wartorn areas
It's completely different
valid terrace
I just see them in the same light is all
I’m not saying they are definitively the same
limpid agate
I don't see how you can see them in the same light
Like, in that sense
Overwatch fits the same definition
valid terrace
That’s fair but most of the history is from their perspective so the bad stuff gets pushed away a bit
That’s why I want more Sym lore
To get a better perspective on Vishkar
limpid agate
Vishkar is a construction company that is effectively colonizing where they build
Symmetra was selected from poverty by them because they felt shr was gifted
valid terrace
Well yeah but that’s just the surface
limpid agate
They match a lot of tropes held by fantasy empires
hasty surge
blizzard could have remove it tbh
limpid agate
They said she is unrelated to both Athena and Vishkar
They just wanted something on her facr
And in the end, that something ended up being a second face
peak escarp
also, Echo isn't a unique model
there are chassis that look like her in the market area on Temple of Anubis
hasty surge
what are those tho?
hasty surge
any reason why are those at anubis?
peak escarp
there's a robot parts market
peak escarp
yes
lament prawn
thats interesting
lament prawn
yeah
limpid agate
Hmm
It seems that
Rather than fill the white space with blue stuff
They just removed the white space entirely
Whatever, i still think she looks uncanny and am not looking forward to her
But she was inevitable
Give Sojourn
devout sable
white space? blue stuff?
limpid agate
Picture 1 - Long white face with blue Athena logo
Picture 2 - Long white face with blue Athena logo
Picture 3 - Short white face with a long black metal plate instead
limpid agate
yes
I dont know how to describe it
Its got 3 holes in it
Reminds me of an exhaust pipe
lament prawn
its just
the fact that she was given a face is the overall design choice
the way there is an inner head projecting said face, it just has to mean something special about her in some way
imo
then again it could just be the technical explanation of why an omnic would have a face, but its so prominent when it could have been hidden on the inside and explained elsewhere or something
limpid agate
Yeah, here is something special
She has a face
Other omnics don't
It could just as easily be a design decision
Why does Orisa wear a tribal mask for a head and the other OR15s don't?
Because Efi wanted her to
limpid agate
I see too many people say that
The face signifies that she is someone's downloaded consciousness or some other crap
lament prawn
but the way its projecting is so prominent and open for all to see that it could be special
limpid agate
I think its just
Their original design looked bad on a model
So they tried making it a face instead
lament prawn
im not saying it has to be that and only that, just that its special in some way
lament prawn
even her introduction compared to ashe just had that feeling
limpid agate
Its just a blue blob
peak escarp
it could also be a way to show that she isn't an omnic
peak escarp
omnics all have metal faces
limpid agate
Blue blob ended up looking bad on a model
So they made it into a full face
And it looked less bad
lament prawn
if this is in response to me, not my point
if it was just one single head piece with a face on the front then i'd easily say it has no further explanation than being a cool design choice
and it still is a design choice, because that always comes first with heroes
but they made it so prominent that there's an inner faceless head piece projecting the face
that's what's getting me
im just theorizing here
limpid agate
Theorizing what
lament prawn
that there might, imo be something special about her and her alone, nothing specific or anything about the transferred conscious theory
limpid agate
So in the same sense that
Among a fleet of Talon Snipers, 1 of them has a crop top
While the rest have long coats
Or among a fleet of Talon Heavy Assault
One of them takes his helmet off
Is that what you meant?
lament prawn
no
lament prawn
to me those are just cosmetics that add to their personality, and you might categorize echo's face being projected with them, and thats fine
i just feel like it might be special
lament prawn
i just said what i meant
lament prawn
i cant really think of something similar either
light parcel
Why does the overwatch site say Soldier:76's is unknown when he is clearly Jack Morrison.
peak escarp
because in-universe his identity is a mystery
lament prawn
perhaps if tracer came out and we didnt know her origin story, but i wouldnt have thought anything of her chronal accelerator aside from being a piece of tech
so not that either
limpid agate
I dont see how Echos face is any different than Orisa's head or Lynx's rabbit ears
its an arbitrary physical characteristic unique to the character that is used to give them a unique appearance as well as an additional outlet to express personality
lament prawn
you're probably right that its nothing special
light parcel
@peak escarp ahh...aight thanks
lament prawn
but again, its just that this feature is very prominent https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/180471683759472640/638823250344017921/unknown.png
might as well mean nothing, just my opinion
limpid agate
Robots and Omnics dont have facial expressions
So every omnic tries to show them in different ways
Orisa has her eyes
Lynx has their ears
Snowball has a display panel
Zenyatta is stoic
Bastion is old
And expresses emotion exclusively through body and sound rather than face.
Echo has a human looking face
peak escarp
it's not unique to Echo
limpid agate
I cant remember there being a reason for Shodan to have a face
@peak escarp The body isnt
The face might be
peak escarp
she's just the first one we've seen turned on
lament prawn
yes i know that, it might just be a technical explanation of how her face works, but why make it so prominent when it could be hidden and explained somewhere like her bio?
peak escarp
limpid agate
The similar shaped bot in Recall has no face
The Recall bot has the same physical model
But is active when his photo is taken
And does not have a projected face
So with those 2 examples of machines with similar bodies - Echo and Recall Bot - I'd make the guess that she is unique
peak escarp
maybe Recall Bot is the one that's unique
peak escarp
and chooses not to have a face
peak escarp
that is the more likely case