#lore-discussion | Overwatch | Page 475

worthy rose Oct 4, 2019, 3:49 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/w9E38x1.png

inner pilot Oct 4, 2019, 3:49 PM

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so blackwatch is also part of overwatch?

worthy rose Oct 4, 2019, 3:50 PM

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How he changed or turned bad I’d like more elaboration on but some ppl think it’s enough

inner pilot Oct 4, 2019, 3:50 PM

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and what turned him evil? and he did he get his shadow powers?

worthy rose Oct 4, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Blackwatch was a division of overwatch

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Like how ecowatch is a branch of it which mei was

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Or was it ecopoint

limpid agate Oct 4, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Ecopoint

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@inner pilot

wasnt reaper good once?
He was. Retribution was the start of his downfall. As for where he "got" his shadow powers, there are 3 possible times.
1 - 30+ years ago in the Soldier Enhancement Program, which is where Soldier got his superpowers too
2 - 8/9 years ago with Moira. Even if she didn't give him the powers, she at least had a major involvement in its development.
3 - ~6 years ago when the Swiss HQ exploded. He was fighting Soldier 76 in there. People thought both were dead. In the present, his skin looks pale like an undead, most likely thanks to this

inner pilot Oct 4, 2019, 3:54 PM

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oh boi

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time to read

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okay im a little confused. so who is moira again? storywise

limpid agate Oct 4, 2019, 3:55 PM

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ik widow was tortured
Tortured is the wrong word. She was mentally conditioned and genetically altered to be the perfect loyal sniper. I don't know if torture was involved or not. Could have been genetics + positive reinforcement. Take away her ability to feel things, condition her by giving her surges of dopamine/pleasure when she kills something or obeys.

worthy rose Oct 4, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Moira was the scientist who gave shadow powers, the irish geneticist

limpid agate Oct 4, 2019, 3:55 PM

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!!loreHeroes moira

twilit nacelleBOT Oct 4, 2019, 3:55 PM

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To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/moira#story

Overwatch

Moira - Overwatch

Moira uses biotics to both hurt and heal—but always for her own benefit.

worthy rose Oct 4, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Moira was created because Chu wanted to create a “evil” healer to do the sorts and the game needed someone who could heal a crap ton

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It’s actually very interesting to me how the writers made characters relevant to the story

inner pilot Oct 4, 2019, 3:58 PM

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whos chu?

worthy rose Oct 4, 2019, 4:02 PM

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Baptiste for example was a newer creation than Sojourn and didnt have an initial tie in which they now made to be the person who is probably going to rescue mercy

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Chu is the lead writer for the story

inner pilot Oct 4, 2019, 4:03 PM

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i dont know any of those names

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except for baptiste

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is baptiste good?

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ah

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i see now

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what are your predictions for the next hero after echo?

limpid agate Oct 4, 2019, 4:06 PM

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Don't know yet

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Its hard to predict 2 heroes in the future

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Maybe Sojourn

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She is confirmed to be in development, and is a shorter term project than Mauga or Junkerqueen

inner pilot Oct 4, 2019, 4:07 PM

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do you have an image of her?

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cant imagine anything from that name

worthy rose Oct 4, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Im in class with my phone sorry didnt save a pic of her

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If you want to learn more darktoaster

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You can watch the compilation of overwatch cinematics and character origin stories and go ask questions from there

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Also read the short stories

inner pilot Oct 4, 2019, 4:09 PM

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i have the feeling everyone in the overwatch community is in school and really bored xD

worthy rose Oct 4, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Im in uni and nearly out the next hour

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If you have questions just dm me and I’ll happily answer them

inner pilot Oct 4, 2019, 4:11 PM

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thank you. very kind of you ^^

peak escarp Oct 4, 2019, 4:21 PM

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📎 sojourn.png

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this is Sojourn

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she was the one giving you orders over comms during the Storm Rising mission

worthy rose Oct 4, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Yeep

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She was also in the Ana origin story

inner pilot Oct 4, 2019, 4:33 PM

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ah i see now

keen mantle Oct 4, 2019, 5:06 PM

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I wish we would get Liao

peak escarp Oct 4, 2019, 5:15 PM

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I wish we would just find out who Liao is

devout sable Oct 4, 2019, 5:20 PM

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they should either be shown/mentioned already, or just retconned out

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one or the other

peak escarp Oct 4, 2019, 5:22 PM

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at this point I don't even care about the outcome, I just want to know one way or another

lament prawn Oct 4, 2019, 5:23 PM

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liao is pretty much just a name, they can fit whatever character they want into that

iron plume Oct 4, 2019, 6:07 PM

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i think an interesting resolution would be the original liao being confirmed dead and a hero being their child

lament prawn Oct 4, 2019, 6:48 PM

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"the original liao"

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liao 2

iron plume Oct 4, 2019, 7:16 PM

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!!loreonly

twilit nacelleBOT Oct 4, 2019, 7:16 PM

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This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

placid sonnet Oct 4, 2019, 7:16 PM

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oh sorry, I thought i was in a another room XD

limpid agate Oct 4, 2019, 8:07 PM

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@worthy rose If you dont have an image saved, you can just link to the wiki page with !!wiki

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Such as !!wiki Sojourn

neat pivot Oct 5, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Personally my money's on junker queen for next hero. But could be sojourn, or echo, or even mauga.

peak escarp Oct 5, 2019, 7:09 AM

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the devs said Junker Queen was a "long term" plan

neat pivot Oct 5, 2019, 7:11 AM

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Where did they say that? And someone said something about sojourn supposedly being a short term plan? Huh?

peak escarp Oct 5, 2019, 7:12 AM

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Jeff said it during ohnickel's Storm Rising stream

neat pivot Oct 5, 2019, 7:12 AM

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interesting

peak escarp Oct 5, 2019, 7:12 AM

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he also said that Sojourn is a hero they've had a design for for a long time, but haven't found the right time to add her to the game

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same with Echo

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Echo has existed since the first round of hero designs when they pitched the game, back in 2013

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and Sojourn's earliest design was seen in Recall

exotic rock Oct 5, 2019, 1:46 PM

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yeah

sacred siren Oct 5, 2019, 1:57 PM

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ö

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teal meadow Oct 5, 2019, 2:14 PM

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can we talk about junkenstein's lore even if it's not canon?

worthy rose Oct 5, 2019, 2:16 PM

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what do you wanna know about it?

valid terrace Oct 5, 2019, 3:59 PM

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How those ravens found legitimate help at all lol

peak escarp Oct 5, 2019, 4:07 PM

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trained messenger ravens?

valid terrace Oct 5, 2019, 7:30 PM

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I guess

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Seems like they just randomly went around

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Jehovah’s witness style

teal meadow Oct 5, 2019, 9:52 PM

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@worthy rose like, witch mercy wanted to help junkenstein but with something in return.....we never got to see what she really wanted from the doctor

limpid agate Oct 5, 2019, 10:09 PM

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His soul

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Probably

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Junkenstein and his monster became her servants

keen ore Oct 6, 2019, 2:57 AM

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I don't really know if this belongs here or not, but have you ever thought about how Sigma's backstory is kinda like the tell tale heart?

peak escarp Oct 6, 2019, 3:02 AM

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how so?

keen ore Oct 6, 2019, 3:15 AM

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Well, think about it

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Two men are doing something for a greater good but in the end become insane and hear a noise they can never stop hearing

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And people think they're gone insane when in reality they think they're fine

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But they are actually insane

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Then in the end, they both suffer consequences of trying to figure out that noise

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The man in the tell tale heart confesses about killing the man while going even more insane while Sigma becomes insane to the point of floating and being sent to a mental asylum before getting freed by Talon

limpid agate Oct 6, 2019, 3:23 AM

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The Tell-Tale Heart is about someone trying to prove they are sane by carefully describing the murder they carried out in precise detail.

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Sigma doesn't question his sanity because in his mind, he has no reason to

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While the other protagonist is so desperate to prove his sanity that he confesses his crime.

keen ore Oct 6, 2019, 3:25 AM

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But there are still some similarities tho but you are absolutely correct my good friend

limpid agate Oct 6, 2019, 3:29 AM

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I'd say the part about hearing noises and thinking you are sane when you are not are common to most stories of insanity

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Both were in Darkness, for example.

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A number of games with sanity gauges also do this to the player directly, such as Amnesia or... I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but its a Lovecraftian Horror

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For a Blizzard example, there are some members those corrupted by Yogg Saron that qualify. The other Old Gods too, to a lesser extent.

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The big difference is the obsession over the beating/the melody.

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But the obsession with sounds in the first-person games depend on your own perception as the player

spare flint Oct 6, 2019, 9:18 AM

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How did McCree lose his arm?

timid eagle Oct 6, 2019, 9:33 AM

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It's not known, but some have speculated that he could've lost it during his "vacation" in London during the Null Sector Uprising.

maiden quest Oct 6, 2019, 10:37 AM

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https://youtu.be/RVeuUTEpBqQ?t=577

Does Baptiste say "I fak you in the head" ? Right after saying "Fully Healed"

flat mantle Oct 6, 2019, 10:48 AM

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that does sound like that, but he's speaking Haitian Creole, I believe

maiden quest Oct 6, 2019, 11:06 AM

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ooh

devout sable Oct 6, 2019, 11:11 AM

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GWchadThinkeyes

spiral swan Oct 6, 2019, 11:18 AM

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yeet?

misty hound Oct 6, 2019, 3:07 PM

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so the Year of the Dog skins for Genii, Zarya, Pharah, and Mercy all have glowing circles with a creature symbol in it right? Tracer has a glowing circle on her chrono-accelerator right? Tracer = Golden Dragon!! BOOOOOMMM!!!!!

dense estuary Oct 6, 2019, 4:18 PM

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I do suspect McCree lost it in some incident while Symmetra was likely a voluntary augmentation. Considering she generates some of her constructs from that cybernetic hand it might even be a standard thing for people in her job at Vishkar.

hasty surge Oct 6, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Also are there ravens im junkerstein's lore?

peak escarp Oct 6, 2019, 6:17 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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the Lord of Adlersbrunn uses them as messengers

true fulcrum Oct 6, 2019, 6:56 PM

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I never knew he is called Lord of Adlersbrunn

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that's nice

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it's German and means Eagle's Well

peak escarp Oct 6, 2019, 7:01 PM

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it also comes from the name of Reinhardt's mentor, Balderich von Adler

peak escarp Oct 6, 2019, 7:52 PM

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probably next week

worthy rose Oct 6, 2019, 9:48 PM

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jojo kimian na boken

keen mantle Oct 6, 2019, 10:52 PM

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i hope we get the genji skin from that comic next week

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for the halloween event

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its been awhile tho

peak escarp Oct 6, 2019, 10:53 PM

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I don't think we will

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they would have done it by now

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plus it doesn't really match his silhouette

peak escarp Oct 6, 2019, 11:53 PM

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I do want a skin for Genji though

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and I'm surprised they haven't done a mummy skin for Ana or Pharah yet

fallen kraken Oct 7, 2019, 2:07 AM

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When/how did reaper get his abilities? Like how he teleports

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Pls ping me with the answer

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 2:42 AM

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@fallen kraken see Moira's origin story

fallen kraken Oct 7, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Ok

hasty surge Oct 7, 2019, 8:42 AM

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How about we look at it in a science way

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How do you think he teleports?

spare flint Oct 7, 2019, 10:38 AM

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Apparently he turns into sentient gas that can fully and totally re-materialize into Reaper

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Nanotechnology?

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I'd say nanobots disintegrate Reaper, fly around carrying his cells effectively communicating to each other, and rematerialize him

placid monolith Oct 7, 2019, 10:40 AM

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Nano machines, son! Maybe his actual body is just a "brain in a jar."

spare flint Oct 7, 2019, 10:40 AM

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I have no idea how his brain could still function while disintegrated using nanobots

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@placid monolith Like, Reaper is actually a brainless body made out of flying nanobots remote-controlled from miles away? That would make more sense actually

placid monolith Oct 7, 2019, 10:41 AM

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Yeah

spare flint Oct 7, 2019, 10:42 AM

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That means behind that mask is a robot of sorts

placid monolith Oct 7, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Hmm.. Ana did recognise him

spare flint Oct 7, 2019, 10:43 AM

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I guess they tried to make it look like him

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And it's still controlled by the same personality

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So, the guns are materialised into by even more bots flying around Reaper

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Actually that'd be a bit impractical. Maybe dense nanobot spheres in his cloak?

placid monolith Oct 7, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Everything about Reaper is just extra and impractical though.

spare flint Oct 7, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Nah he's invincible and can get around as easily as air

spark compass Oct 7, 2019, 11:28 AM

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Maybe when he was human he ripped such a fat vape cloud that he died and his souls inhabited it

spare flint Oct 7, 2019, 11:45 AM

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🤔

worthy rose Oct 7, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Reaper still has feelings so he can't just be a robot

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He went out of his ways to stalk what is most likely his family for example

glad acorn Oct 7, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Does someone there know the game the Lab in VR on Valve ?
Because there is a blue ball on a desk and it looks like the one in Antartica with the GREY inside...

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Why would an unrelated game be related?

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@placid monolith @spare flint As far as we know, there are no Nano machines in Overwatch. We also know Reaper's condition is genetic, not mechanical.

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!!shitposting @spark compass

twilit nacelleBOT Oct 7, 2019, 2:44 PM

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@spark compass Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

placid monolith Oct 7, 2019, 2:50 PM

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I thought the medicine stuff in OW were all nanite based rather than classic chemistry.

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Based on what

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Mercy's work is in the field of Nanobiotics. Not nanotechnology

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She's not an engineer

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Nor a computer scientist

placid monolith Oct 7, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Nanabiotics is still nanotechnology and should use similar tools for molecular construction.

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Do you know what Microbiology is

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Or rather, the nanobiotics that actually exist

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Theyre not nanobots

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:34 PM

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I'm so tired of nanobots this and nanites that

sudden sequoia Oct 7, 2019, 3:39 PM

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I feel it’s safe to say the existence of supernatural abilities is more likely than nanobots. If doomfist can beat a bunch of OR-15’s like they stole something, without his gauntlet than it’s not outside of the realm of possibility (inside the lore) that reapers wraith and what not are a biological enhancement/mutation.

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Doomfist has a cybernetic arm, and we've seen McCree's cybernetic arm crush a steel(?) train frame

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so it's completely believeable that Doomfist could punch through solid concrete

sudden sequoia Oct 7, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Yeah but he fought these 3-4 OR-15’s one handed? His regular arm has to have some serious power as well imo

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:42 PM

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his family runs a prosthetics company

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of course he'd have a top-of-the-line model

lean prawn Oct 7, 2019, 3:43 PM

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and he's a master martial artist

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:44 PM

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that too

sudden sequoia Oct 7, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Reaper is one of a kind so it’s hard to really make a comparison to other heroes in lore I’d say the closest thing to his wraith would be Hanzo dragons but that’s most likely hardlight tech but nanobots is a little far fetched as an explanation for wraith

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These are valid facts I didn’t consider

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Doomfist's right arm is prosthetic

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:45 PM

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nanobots doesn't work as an explanation because Moira is a geneticist, and her experiments were responsible for his powers

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 3:46 PM

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The closest to Reaper's powers is Moira

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Who has the same powers more or less

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Or the Talon Snipers

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Who appear to have similar too

sudden sequoia Oct 7, 2019, 3:48 PM

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I’m aware of that but what about his left arm do we know if that’s prosthetic or not? Not that it’s outside the realm of possibility that a martial arts master beating a few robots one handed. Yeah the snipers do have similarities I forgot about them

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 3:49 PM

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It's probably not real either

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He has a shotgun in his hand

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And panels on his forearm

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:50 PM

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he doesn't have the shotgun knuckles in the comics

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 3:50 PM

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We've never seen him use the shotgun though

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:50 PM

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could just be a gameplay feature

sudden sequoia Oct 7, 2019, 3:50 PM

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I think they said it was an after thought because he needed some projectile to balance him in game iirc

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Probably

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:51 PM

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that's the same reason Reinhardt got his firestrike (and the hammer throw they tried out in alpha)

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Either way

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He had the gauntlet when he destroyed the OR15s according to his trailer

sudden sequoia Oct 7, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Really now I thought he fought the OR-15’s in order to retrieve the gauntlet

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:52 PM

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the article that describes his attack on Numbani airport makes it seem that way

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but some people think it's vague

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 3:53 PM

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I think it's vague. I'll rely on his visual trailer

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It seemed that, in that context, it was meant to be canon to me

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:55 PM

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I think that it was shown that way just because it was a gameplay trailer, so they were restricted to using the in-game model which has the gauntlet

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 3:55 PM

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I disagree

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:55 PM

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After escaping from the facility, Helix lost track of Ogundimu until he resurfaced in Numbani, where he clashed with the newly introduced OR15 defense robots at the Adawe International Terminal, easily destroying them and reclaiming the Doomfist.

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the description from the article describes the order in which he completed the tasks

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but like I said, there is some debate about it

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Yes. And I am on the side that disagrees

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:57 PM

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there's equal evidence for both, so it's inconclusive

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 3:57 PM

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I don't see this as actions in sequence, but actions in parallel

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In English, both can be written in that way

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:58 PM

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maybe the novel next year will include a flashback to the fight, since Efi witnessed it

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 3:59 PM

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As did Orisa

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She fought in it

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Might be the prologue

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 3:59 PM

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📎 000000038FDD.0B2-Before_Efi_rebuilt_me_I_was_defeated_here_by_Doomfist._I_must_learn_from_the_memory.ogg

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this line indicates she remembers it too

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Yup

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 4:00 PM

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so then, she would remember being an OR15 and not having her current personality

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that must be weird

valid terrace Oct 7, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Probably similar to remembering a dream

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Knowing it’s real is a bit strange but same thing really

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Isn’t she canonically still 2 months old?

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 5:50 PM

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the ages in the bio pages don't get updated

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the Orisa that is in the game is 2 months old, even if the story progresses past that

valid terrace Oct 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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I figured as much

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I’m guessing she’s around 10ish months at this point?

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Besides new characters really not much has been added to current Overwatch

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I guess the book will tell for sure

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 5:55 PM

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the most recent thing to happen was Zarya fighting Sombra in Dorado

valid terrace Oct 7, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Oof really?

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 5:55 PM

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which was a few months after Orisa was created

valid terrace Oct 7, 2019, 5:55 PM

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I thought it was one of the cinematics

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 5:56 PM

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most of the cinematics happen shortly after Recall

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within the same year, I think

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Orisa was created over a year after Recall

lament prawn Oct 7, 2019, 5:57 PM

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i still think having the destroyed airport as part of the map and an OR15 skin for orisa was too good an opportunity for them to have that as part of the trailer (im not picking sides on whether he had the gauntlet or not, just saying i think they would have included that in the trailer regardless of whether he had it in canon)

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 5:57 PM

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📎 recalltimeline.png

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I made a rough timeline to list when everything happens

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I don't have WYLB on there, but it's set 3 days after the recall was sent out

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so it happens about the same time that Mei is in Antarctica building her freeze gun

valid terrace Oct 7, 2019, 5:59 PM

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What’s the second Lúcio one on there?

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 5:59 PM

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that's just showing how long his world tour is

valid terrace Oct 7, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Ah gotcha

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 6:00 PM

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it started in late summer, and he had a new year's eve concert in London

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it could have continued longer than that, but we have no other references to it

valid terrace Oct 7, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Pretty cool, I always just thought the cinematics were sequential par the Bastion one

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 6:03 PM

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the only things we have solid dates for are Infiltration (Sombra says during the ARG that after the attack on Dorado's power plant which happens Nov 1, she's heading to Russia), Mei's journal (which has dates from Oct 28 to Nov 2) and Masquerade (the fight in Venice happens during Carnivale, which happens in Feb/Mar, depending on the year)

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the rest I figured out based on references to those things

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and a little bit of guesswork

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if we knew when Orisa's birthday is, I could figure out how much of my timeline is correct

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I have her being built in late March

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but if that's wrong, I'd need to shift around everything else

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also if we knew the year, I could figure out the dates of anything that has a full moon (and there's quite a few)

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📎 moon.png

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enough that I think they're intentional

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and not just there for aesthetics

devout sable Oct 7, 2019, 6:12 PM

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you sure?

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if anything, seeing the full moon so often

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it makes me feel like the Overwatch team just really likes it

lament prawn Oct 7, 2019, 6:14 PM

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same tbh

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behind the scenes video for shooting star said since the scene was almost entirely above water with very little to tell the audience how things are laid out, they relied a lot on the moon and the directional lighting that gave

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doesnt really prove anything but

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 6:16 PM

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I think some of those could be just for aesthetics

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but the one in Bastet (why specify a full moon in writing? just saying "the moon" would work well enough) is definitely intentional

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and probably the one in Reflections that you can see through Torbjorn's window - the panel looks like it was drawn like that intentionally to show the full moon

lament prawn Oct 7, 2019, 6:18 PM

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yeah you have a point about those

iron plume Oct 7, 2019, 6:18 PM

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i mean
full moon just sounds more mysterious

lament prawn Oct 7, 2019, 6:19 PM

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momon

iron plume Oct 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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shut

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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I get that for animated scenes, you want the full moon so the scene isn't so dark

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those I can accept as a practical choice

lament prawn Oct 7, 2019, 6:21 PM

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also that crisp view of the horizon lunar colony

iron plume Oct 7, 2019, 6:21 PM

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they're not a choice based in practice lmao

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no one would've blinked an eye at the lighting in any of these if the moon wasn't there

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it's not for the lighting, it's for the cool effect

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and yes the horizon colony

lament prawn Oct 7, 2019, 6:22 PM

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they said it was for the lighting in shooting star

iron plume Oct 7, 2019, 6:22 PM

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a full moon has long been given special meaning in literature

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 6:22 PM

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but even if they aren't intentional, they do mean that it happened at a specific time, since full moons can be predicted centuries in advance due to how regular the moon cycle is

iron plume Oct 7, 2019, 6:22 PM

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well yes

lament prawn Oct 7, 2019, 6:22 PM

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would be weird to have harsh white moon lighting without a full moon

iron plume Oct 7, 2019, 6:22 PM

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and that time comes around once every month

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so deriving any kind of timeline is, well
tricky

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 6:22 PM

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combined with other factors to tell us what month it is, I can use the moon to find the day

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but if I don't know the month and year, the moon is useless

lament prawn Oct 7, 2019, 6:23 PM

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i personally dont think they're taking that into consideration

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other than the two you pointed out at least

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 6:24 PM

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whether it's intentional or not, they're stuck with it

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they can't now say (for example) that Shooting Star happened on X date if X date isn't a full moon

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they couldn't say that that scene in Bastet and the scene in Reflections are a week apart

lament prawn Oct 7, 2019, 6:26 PM

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also true, but im not sure how much that's gonna matter

valid terrace Oct 7, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Maybe they messed with moon so it’s always full?

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 6:26 PM

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tbh they probably don't have exact dates figured out for these events, just months/seasons

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and the exact date doesn't make a difference

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I just really like figuring out timelines

valid terrace Oct 7, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Definitely appreciate the effort too

lament prawn Oct 7, 2019, 6:27 PM

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same

valid terrace Oct 7, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Keeps everything nice and tidy

peak escarp Oct 7, 2019, 6:27 PM

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it's all because of Lord of the Rings

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there's a day-by-day timeline in the appendix of the books that tells you when each events happen

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ever since I read that, I've loved having things timelined out

iron plume Oct 7, 2019, 6:31 PM

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oh man do not watch 24

limpid agate Oct 7, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Have you considered that maybe the moon is always full

📎 moon_phases_diagram.png

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Like, perpetually

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As in, there is something that is artificially keeping the moon lit and full

lament prawn Oct 7, 2019, 9:11 PM

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might be the excuse they use if their dates end up not lining up because they never thought of it

frosty shell Oct 8, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Sounds like Time Cube

valid terrace Oct 8, 2019, 6:37 AM

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They could potentially slow the moons revolution speed to the same rate as Earth’s

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No idea why or how but they added a hamster to the game

peak escarp Oct 8, 2019, 6:42 AM

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what does Hammond have to do with anything?

placid monolith Oct 8, 2019, 6:46 AM

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~~Moon is just one big hamster ball.~~ But perhaps the events just happened to the schedule of the moons. At least I hope they'll take that into account if they make a proper timeline.

worthy rose Oct 8, 2019, 6:55 AM

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ok so my lore is that all the thicc female skins are pornstars

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and mei is dating soldier 76

peak escarp Oct 8, 2019, 7:00 AM

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!!shitposting @worthy rose

twilit nacelleBOT Oct 8, 2019, 7:00 AM

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@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

worthy rose Oct 8, 2019, 7:03 AM

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@peak escarp im really so sorry but i just dont care

peak escarp Oct 8, 2019, 7:03 AM

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then why say anything?

worthy rose Oct 8, 2019, 7:03 AM

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because i just dont care

peak escarp Oct 8, 2019, 7:03 AM

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stay in #general-discussion with everyone else who doesn't care

worthy rose Oct 8, 2019, 7:03 AM

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i dont play this game

peak escarp Oct 8, 2019, 7:03 AM

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then why are you even here?

worthy rose Oct 8, 2019, 7:04 AM

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because i just dont care

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now listen you 7 year old stfu and get tought a lesson

peak escarp Oct 8, 2019, 7:04 AM

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try learning some grammar and maybe stop wasting your time

teal meadow Oct 8, 2019, 9:22 AM

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@ion#7659 Imagine trying to be funny by saying you don't give a fuck about the rules in 2019

wispy temple Oct 8, 2019, 12:34 PM

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WidowLUL

dense estuary Oct 8, 2019, 3:11 PM

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I doubt even OW has the technology to slow the orbit of the moon, Also if its orbital speed matched the rotation of the Earth only one side of the Earth would ever see it and tides would get all messed up. locking it into geostationary would be bad. I suspect reliable full moons in some of their lore videos is mostly a way to excuse the lighting conditions. Or maybe someone did in fact build a huge reflector satellite so that the Earth never shadows the moon allowing Horizon to be in reliable daylight all the time for its solar panels or something.

devout sable Oct 8, 2019, 3:23 PM

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I think the common appearance of the full moon is just a stylistic thing, with no lore implications

zinc ledge Oct 8, 2019, 4:00 PM

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what the hell

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what is this long winded moon speech that everyone's talking about

valid terrace Oct 8, 2019, 4:19 PM

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The full moon is seen at a much higher rate than normal so everyone’s wondering if it’s for show, coincidence, or alteration

zinc ledge Oct 8, 2019, 4:35 PM

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im sure its just a coincidence

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its nothing

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just like the wheelchair on Lijang Tower was

limpid agate Oct 8, 2019, 4:40 PM

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That's different

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The wheelchair was a map edition people wrongly assumed was to tease Hammond

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Instead, it seems that it may belong to Dr. Chao

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The moon has not only appeared full in every single appearance (shorts, comics, on game, literally whenever its night) but was also said to be full in text format in a short story too

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So people are questioning why, is it style or is there a reason

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It could go either way

zinc ledge Oct 8, 2019, 4:53 PM

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the moon is not gonna be a playable hero

peak escarp Oct 8, 2019, 4:54 PM

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obviously

pliant sparrow Oct 8, 2019, 4:54 PM

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I wish

limpid agate Oct 8, 2019, 5:38 PM

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My point was that you were incorrect on the assumption being made

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Moon - Frequent appearances lead to speculation that it is intentional. Other side is that it is just a stylistic choice

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Wheelchair - Speculated to be related to Hammond or Dr. Winston. Instead it was related to Dr Chao

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A better parralel would have been

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Pharah's ring, or the Bruins game in the background of that same image

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The ring was used to speculate that she was a Canadian Engineer. That was debunked

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The hockey game was meant to say she in Canada. This was confirmed

pliant sparrow Oct 8, 2019, 9:32 PM

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I’d say it’s likely just a stylistic choice to give the sky some vibrancy

fallen kraken Oct 8, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Where is the chat for hero concepts

fallen kraken Oct 9, 2019, 12:50 AM

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I'm trying to make one for an omnic support

limpid agate Oct 9, 2019, 1:32 AM

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If the hero does not exist in the lore

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This is not the right channel

fallen kraken Oct 9, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Then what is the right channel

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That's what I'm asking

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Asked it 2 hours ago

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@limpid agate can you answer my question?

limpid agate Oct 9, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Then there isn't one

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Try #general-discussion

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Maybe #overwatch if you don't get ignored

valid terrace Oct 9, 2019, 4:55 AM

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isnt Zenyatta enough heal bot for you?

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i mean i get that noone cares about him both in meta and in lore but he still exists

ember arrow Oct 9, 2019, 5:56 AM

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NO

teal meadow Oct 9, 2019, 10:45 AM

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Should we really consider sombra a villain? She seems to be more of an anti hero

placid monolith Oct 9, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Eh.. She's a heel to Zarya's face. Might turn around.

iron plume Oct 9, 2019, 11:30 AM

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an antihero is morally grey but still works for the “good”

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we’re yet to see Sombra actually do that, although there’s been hints

sharp trench Oct 9, 2019, 12:04 PM

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i hope to see some more lore based missions like we saw with uprising

limpid agate Oct 9, 2019, 12:16 PM

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She is still an antagonist

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She will never be a good guy

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But there's potential she could work with the good guys just to further her own goals

zinc ledge Oct 9, 2019, 2:25 PM

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between good and evil

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self-interested

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which depending on who can benifit her self-interest the most, that's who she will allign with

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means to an end

valid terrace Oct 9, 2019, 2:45 PM

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I see her mostly as an anarchist

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Vying to reach the top of the chaos

pliant sparrow Oct 9, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Anarchy sees closer to doomfist, although he’s not a complete anarchist

peak escarp Oct 9, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Doomfist doesn't want anarchy, he wants conflict

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📎 000000049C88.0B2-Order._Chaos._Means_to_an_end.ogg

worthy rose Oct 9, 2019, 3:31 PM

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Sombra is self motivated, she wants to be the one pulling the strings of the world and not being the one pulled. Wanting anarchy is having the entire world in shambles with no government which isnt what she wants because who wants to rule over a destroyed world?
Doomfist just wants humanity to evolve further. Humanity in his eyes benefitted from the omnic crisis and he wants that survival of the fittest to the world to come back

dense estuary Oct 9, 2019, 4:41 PM

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first she has to find out who has been pulling hte strings, Her intro video showed some big diagram linking back to a singular organization of some kind.

frosty totem Oct 9, 2019, 6:34 PM

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sombra doesnt want to rule over the world, she just wants to expose the truth

limpid agate Oct 9, 2019, 8:09 PM

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It sounds more like

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She does want to rule the world

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But from the shadows

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She has an addiction to manipulation and the mantra that knowledge is power

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She believes that there is an entity with knowledge above her that is pulling the strings

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And she is trying to find it

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What would she do when she finds it?

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Naturally, she would exploit it. Manipulate it

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And then she would be the one who holds all the cards

pliant sparrow Oct 9, 2019, 9:47 PM

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I think she’s just paranoid

worthy rose Oct 9, 2019, 10:33 PM

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have you considered the word "mania"?

toxic wasp Oct 9, 2019, 10:40 PM

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more zen lore 👏

worthy rose Oct 9, 2019, 10:44 PM

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1 word

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RELAXATION

peak escarp Oct 9, 2019, 10:49 PM

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are people still going on about that?

lament prawn Oct 9, 2019, 10:51 PM

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people are blowing this zen lore meme out of proportions and are gonna be disappointed when its not as insane as they thought

peak escarp Oct 9, 2019, 10:51 PM

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finding out who Zen was before the Shambali won't make a lick of difference to the story

lament prawn Oct 9, 2019, 10:51 PM

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im hoping they end up tying him into the main conflict somehow but in terms of the immediate "soon™" lore we're meant to get, i'd be down for something super spiritual and emotional

worthy rose Oct 9, 2019, 10:53 PM

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@peak escarp you have no idea how calm that robot is, do you

peak escarp Oct 9, 2019, 10:53 PM

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he's very calm

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that doesn't make him important

worthy rose Oct 9, 2019, 10:55 PM

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it does make him a MEEEEEEEEEEEEME

peak escarp Oct 9, 2019, 10:56 PM

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have you seen his emotes?

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he's very immature for a robot guru

toxic wasp Oct 9, 2019, 10:56 PM

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oh no i dont do it for the meme

worthy rose Oct 9, 2019, 10:56 PM

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ik

lament prawn Oct 9, 2019, 10:56 PM

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i love that part of him

worthy rose Oct 9, 2019, 10:56 PM

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that's what makes him a good character

toxic wasp Oct 9, 2019, 10:56 PM

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i just genuinely want just more lore

worthy rose Oct 9, 2019, 10:56 PM

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CANCER-CURER

peak escarp Oct 9, 2019, 10:56 PM

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people forget how young he is

toxic wasp Oct 9, 2019, 10:56 PM

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idc if its good or not

worthy rose Oct 9, 2019, 10:56 PM

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curing cancer with every emote

toxic wasp Oct 9, 2019, 10:56 PM

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20

peak escarp Oct 9, 2019, 10:57 PM

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yes

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15 years younger than Genji

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yet he's supposed to be a wise old sage robot who teaches everyone the ways of the world

clever silo Oct 9, 2019, 11:00 PM

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I wonder how much Omnics know about the world already when they’re

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Born?

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Turned on for the first time?

peak escarp Oct 9, 2019, 11:01 PM

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they're probably programmed with basic knowledge

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and some might have a personality module, like Orisa's custom one

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plus training for whatever task they're made for

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like being a store clerk or a factory worker

limpid agate Oct 10, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Zen is not important

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If people get Zen lore

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They're just gonna say "That was it?"

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Just like Mei or D.Va

peak escarp Oct 10, 2019, 12:04 AM

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at best Zen lore would be more worldbuilding, telling us more about omnics or the Shambali

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like how D.Va's lore expanded on MEKA

limpid agate Oct 10, 2019, 1:08 AM

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At best

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You might get Zen joining Overwatch in the present with Genji

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With most of the short not being in the present

zinc ledge Oct 10, 2019, 5:07 AM

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If we get more zen lore

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it should be about how he mentored Genji

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but id alos like to see them explore that whole 'Iris' mumbojumbo

limpid agate Oct 10, 2019, 5:08 AM

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There isnt much Zen can tell us about the Iris we don't already know.

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Of what he does know

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Any mystery on the truth of what the Iris is, if its real

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He wouldn't be able to answer

toxic wasp Oct 10, 2019, 7:01 AM

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if they were to do an animated short they should do one for lucio :)

teal meadow Oct 10, 2019, 8:57 AM

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i don't see zenyatta joining overwatch, but i can see him joining their cause

limpid agate Oct 10, 2019, 12:13 PM

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What

last inlet Oct 10, 2019, 12:17 PM

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Guess he means supporting their cause

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Without actually joining.

worthy rose Oct 10, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Mercy and Reaper?

worthy rose Oct 10, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Heavy and Medic?

hasty surge Oct 10, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Heavy is Mauga and Medic is Mercy

iron plume Oct 10, 2019, 3:55 PM

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psst the medic is baptiste

valid terrace Oct 10, 2019, 8:01 PM

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“Do I look like an angel of mercy to you?”

limpid agate Oct 10, 2019, 8:14 PM

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If you are talking about story parallels.

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Medic has none in Overwatch

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Heavy is... Somewhere between Reinhardt and Zarya in personality.

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Medic is like a mix of Moira and Junkrat

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As for their partner dynamic... There isn't one comparable storywise.

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Maybe Reaper/Moira

real reef Oct 10, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Maybe Reaper/Moira
"Is THIS going to work?"
"Ahaha, I have no idea!"

limpid agate Oct 10, 2019, 10:03 PM

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Yes

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The maybe is because they're both calmer

valid terrace Oct 11, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Some of Mercy’s lines are references to the medic

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Her staff is very similar mechanically

dense estuary Oct 11, 2019, 4:04 AM

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Moira will always remind me of the priest in WoW

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her heal particle effects match that of holy spec and her attack matches shadow

grand bluff Oct 11, 2019, 5:14 PM

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This is the #lore-discussion channel and should be used only as such.

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 8:29 PM

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is there gonna be a new animated short?

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 8:30 PM

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most likely

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we haven't gone a Blizzcon without one in the last 3 years

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 8:30 PM

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a yes

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I like them lol

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 8:30 PM

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me too

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 8:30 PM

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When is blizzcon?

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 8:31 PM

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November 1-2

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so 3 weeks from now

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I'm hoping it will be a short featuring Baptiste and Mercy, as a follow-up to the short story that came out in June

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:41 PM

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all the shorts so far have featured the characters that can be considered more relevant or "iconic" in terms of overwatch

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comparing someone like tracer to someone like hammond

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considering we've gone this far with no mercy short, i'd say she's up there regardless of whether or not there was a story that warranted a follow up

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but who knows

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 8:42 PM

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she is also the last former Overwatch member that we haven't seen post-Recall

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Last playable*

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Sojourn's movements are still a mystery.

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She has potential to become a main character in a short, comic, or story.

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all the shorts so far have featured the characters that can be considered more relevant or "iconic" in terms of overwatch

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Based on what? What defines an iconic character?

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:46 PM

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imjust judging by what ive personally seen online

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:47 PM

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How many of those only became "iconic" after their short

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If you go by story importance.

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:48 PM

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some characters such as tracer, mei, d.va, winston, sombra, from what ive seen, appear to be more relevant in general than say, hammond or sigma (sigma is excused because he's new but he does have good short potential too)

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Ashe, Hanzo and D.Va are still very irrelevant

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:48 PM

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not relevant plot-wise, i mean just publicly relevant

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Publically?

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No one gave a shit about Bastion before its short

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Sombra was a 4 month arg

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Mei was generally disliked

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:48 PM

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damn it i dont know how to explain this properly

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its just something i noticed, dont know if it means anything

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:49 PM

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I would say Hammond is more popular than pre-short Bastion.

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Giving Hammond a short

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Would buff his popularity

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Likewise, look at Baptiste

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:50 PM

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maybe its the heroes that came with launch or soon after that just appear that way to me

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Baptiste comes out, no one gives a shit

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Baptiste gets a short story

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People like Baptiste now

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:50 PM

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im not ranking them by which ones i like, just the ones that seem the most popular online

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im talking about just the shorts

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Short Story is similar but weaker effect

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Its a big thing that dives more into the character and makes them more popular

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:51 PM

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i wouldnt mind at all if they released a short featuring what i'd consider a less iconic character, i'd love a hammond short given he's one of my favorites

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Maybe i am wording it poorly but

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"Iconic Character"

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You are saying that, it makes sense for a character who is popular to get a short

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I am saying that, getting a short makes a hero feel "iconic" afterwards.

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Bastion was not "iconic" before its short

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But after?

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 8:53 PM

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most forgettable character for me right now would probably be . . . Symmetra? she's the one I always forget when making lists

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Or Bob. Bob is probably the biggest character since Doomfist.

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People love Bob

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If Bob was just dropped on Ashe without the short

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No one would care

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But we got the short, we saw Bob, then we got him as an ult

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And he became "iconic"

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:54 PM

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im the one that's wording it poorly, i suck at explaining my thoughts, but let me ask this: have you (exluding your personal opinions on the characters) noticed that the likes of tracer, d.va, mei, widowmaker, reaper, and mercy appear to be more popular online than hammond, zenyatta, zarya, or brigitte for example?

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if not then i probably subconsciously made up those ideas

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Zenyatta is very popular online, mostly for his lack of lore

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:55 PM

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You realize that, other than Reaper, those are all just traditionally attractive girls

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That fan artists love drawing

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Brigitte is infamous because of her controversy

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:55 PM

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As opposed to Zarya or Hamond or Zen

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:56 PM

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im not talking about attractiveness

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:56 PM

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appear to be more popular online

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:56 PM

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i'd put winston on my list of perceived iconic characters lol

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Its because people think they look pretty

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Reaper/Winston are the main antagonist/secondary protagonist

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Even people who don't give a shit about overwatch like characters like Tracer or Mei or D.Va

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And there are people who think characters liek Reaper, Genji, and McCree just look really cool

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:58 PM

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yeah exactly, those are the ones i noticed seem more "iconic"

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:58 PM

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The unpopular ones are generally the girls that get little fanart comparatively (Zarya, Orisa, Sym) or the males that are considered less cool as designs (Zenyatta, Hammond, Torbjorn)

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:58 PM

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a lot of them have insane public reach to players that dont even play the game

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Its not about them as characters

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its about them as designs

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 8:58 PM

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it's all about visual appeal

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:58 PM

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The shorts are about giving characters time to shine

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While general popularity comes from physical design

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Personality is also a big thing

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:59 PM

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maybe so, its just i felt like those are the ones that have been featured in shorts so far

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:59 PM

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people love Lucio or Reinhardt or D.Va for their personalities

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 8:59 PM

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them being in shorts did help with their popularity

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 8:59 PM

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Lucio and D.Va had shorts?

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 8:59 PM

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I mean the list Jupit gave earlier

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 8:59 PM

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not all of them, there are only so many shorts as of now

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:00 PM

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do we really know Lucio's personality? he hasn't had much chance to show it

limpid agate Oct 11, 2019, 9:00 PM

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he shows it a lot in game

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:01 PM

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im not saying they'll forever only choose "iconic characters" for their shorts or if that perception is even a thing outside my brain

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im really hoping we get a lot of cinematic content for the lesser loved characters come the "second generation of overwatch"

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but for the next short, i think mercy is likely even disregarding the baptiste story, but i too hope its a follow up to that

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:02 PM

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yes

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even before WYLB came out I was saying Mercy should be next

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the internet wants a Lucio concert where Symmetra shows up to arrest him and D.Va is there working security for some reason pharaheyeroll

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multi-heroes are great, when they make sense

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:08 PM

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was it made by the same person that wanted pharah to be d.va's mechanic in shooting star?

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:08 PM

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but there's no point in shoving in unrelated heroes just to have them there

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oh I saw that "rewrite"

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complete nonsense

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:08 PM

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i didnt, i just remember you mentioning it

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:09 PM

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no, the Lucio concert idea has been said by many people

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if they're going to have Lucio and Symmetra clash, I'd rather they show him breaking into Vishkar to steal the sonic tech

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Sigma needs a cinematic

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:13 PM

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i wish i was more interesting than i already am about that conflict but i just dont like those characters as much

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 9:13 PM

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His escape with talon

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:14 PM

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wasn't so much with Talon

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more like they raided the asylum and stole him out

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he probably wasn't very aware of what was happening

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Owkey then they make a story were he and talon attack some boiis

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:15 PM

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just like you said, sym is the most forgettable to me too - i look at the giant hero gallery and i see so many heroes and think "wow, there are so many", then i look through them to see who im forgetting and they all make sense until i see sym and realize i forgot

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:15 PM

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I'd prefer something less action-heavy with Sigma - maybe a short story showing him working with Moira and how Talon manages to keep things secret from him

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Nah they gotta show his awesome powers on a cinematic

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:17 PM

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if they go action-heavy, i wanna know the full potential of his abilities in-universe

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Jupz cause controlling gravity sounds like a big deal

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:17 PM

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i wanna know how he receives orders and how he reacts to them, whether he snaps into reality while causing chaos

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Or maybe like the first part of the cinematic will be him talking to Moira or someone and at the end there will be a short raid will you'll see his crazy side just destroying things

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:18 PM

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he has a few voice lines of desperately wanting to get the payload moving because he's scared of what might happen if he doesnt do it, perhaps punishment

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:18 PM

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I don't think they take him on many missions

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Like something as the Darth Vader scene in Rogue One if you guys have seen that

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:19 PM

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they literally took him to be a living weapon

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if they havent yet, they must have some at least slightly major plans for him

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(talon, i mean)

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:19 PM

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According to Blizzard, Sigma is “unaware” he’s “being used as a living weapon.” Instead, he’s largely working off-site, in a lab Talon has granted to him.

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:20 PM

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what

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he's being used alright, but how as a living weapon in that scenario?

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 9:21 PM

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How I understand that is that he's connected to some machine and if he controls gravity there it will effect some other machine outside that'll do the damage

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I know it sounds like bullshit

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:21 PM

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we don't know why they "rescued" him

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or how he remains unaware of being used

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:22 PM

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we dont know the specifics of why, but in general to be a living weapon

thorn flint Oct 11, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Probibly because he was gud in science/universal crap

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:22 PM

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When Talon discovered De Kuiper's existence, they infiltrated the facility and broke him out, planning to use his brilliance and research to further their plans. In their custody, De Kuiper slowly gained control of his powers. Now, gravity moved according to his will, and he was closer than ever to achieving his life's goal. But the same experiment that had opened his mind had also fractured it, and he struggled to keep the pieces together.

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:23 PM

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makes sense he'd have a lab to further his research (which i wanna know more about) but what's the point of not using the dude that can control gravity on important missions

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Probably because he's still unstable

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:23 PM

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they wanted him for his research, not his powers

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Oke but living weapon doesn't sound like a researcher

thorn flint Oct 11, 2019, 9:23 PM

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BECAUSE IS POWERS ARE LIGMA

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Jk

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:24 PM

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!!shitposting @thorn flint

twilit nacelleBOT Oct 11, 2019, 9:24 PM

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@thorn flint Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Imagine

ember pollen Oct 11, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Where's my Zen lore at?

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:24 PM

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none of the official sources call him a living weapon

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:24 PM

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his research would definitely be beneficial to them, but what, are they trying to recreate his powers on others or are his powers just gonna go to waste?

worthy rose Oct 11, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Oke but tbf in his animated trailer he was looking pretty menacingly

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:26 PM

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he did

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maybe that was a glimpse at his future

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right now he's just used for his research, but when he masters his abilities, who knows?

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:26 PM

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i swear i thought the living weapon thing was official

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that was pretty much the phrase i based his entire relevance on

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:26 PM

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it's not mentioned in his bio

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Jeff might have called him that though

lament prawn Oct 11, 2019, 9:28 PM

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oh the living weapon thing was in the tweet that revealed the origin story

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Introducing Sigma - an eccentric astrophysicist who hopes to unlock the secrets of the universe, unaware that he is being used as a living weapon.

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I see what you mean

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everything else seems to have dropped that though

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hmm

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wouldn't be the first hero whose in-game abilities aren't canon

undone moss Oct 11, 2019, 11:07 PM

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whats overwatch

devout sable Oct 11, 2019, 11:32 PM

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@undone moss you mean, like, what Overwatch is in-universe?

undone moss Oct 11, 2019, 11:32 PM

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._.

dense estuary Oct 11, 2019, 11:38 PM

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The best way I could describe Overwatch at least during omnic crisis is kind of like XCOM, An internationally funded group of specialists in science and combat formed to fight the omnics and eventually end the crisis.

devout sable Oct 11, 2019, 11:40 PM

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during the Omnic Crisis, it was a strike team assembled in secret by the UN

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afterwards, it became a global peacekeeping organisation

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and then, 5 years before present day, it was disbanded amidst controversy surrounding its operations

dense estuary Oct 11, 2019, 11:43 PM

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I have always figured what they do now is possible due to funding from patents from their peaceful R&D years, Would not be hard to have held them in shell companies. Or Winston himself has a stash of patents to draw licensing fees off to fund operations. When they got disbanded the UN in theory would have shut down known OW accounts.

devout sable Oct 11, 2019, 11:43 PM

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it had a black ops division called Blackwatch that was primarily tasked with taking care of criminal organizations and other sorts of things that Overwatch wasn't really allowed to do

dense estuary Oct 11, 2019, 11:44 PM

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yea Blackwatch did the jobs that were too dirty to have an OW name, And if I remember right it hit the fan when people found out about it after that operation went sideways.

peak escarp Oct 11, 2019, 11:44 PM

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yup

granite fog Oct 12, 2019, 1:16 AM

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What happened to Genji that made him a cyborg?

pure egret Oct 12, 2019, 1:19 AM

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his brother "killed" him

granite fog Oct 12, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Oh that's horrible.

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But Genji wasn't exactly dead.

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Was he?

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 1:44 AM

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No, but he was definitely a step away from kockin' on heaven's door. If it weren't for an Overwatch unit (which included Mercy) that saved him, he probably would've died that night.

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If his Blackwatch skin is any indication, the damage Hanzo inflicted on Genji during their violent confrontation was pretty vicious.

granite fog Oct 12, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Oh dear.

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:03 AM

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I find it hard to believe that the fight was so bad that half of his body is cyber from the blackwatch skin.

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Like I’ll probably understand a arm sliced off but a arm and legs? Idk man what did Hanzo do to him? Burn him?

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:08 AM

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Between the two, Hanzo was the better sword hand and is being brought up to be the next successor to the Shimada clan.

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Genji, in contrast, only wanted to live a life of a playboy and had little interest in his family's illegal businesses. Yeah, he excelled and loved training as a ninja, but part of that could've been so he could use it to be a babe magnet.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:09 AM

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I just walked into a deep discussion

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Nvm

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Lol

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Saw the edit with the babe magnet and immediately lost my mind

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But yeah that's true

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:10 AM

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My point being, is Hanzo was being conditioned to continue leading the clan, in the chance anything happened to his father.

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Genji became a liability.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:10 AM

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But what happened to his father

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:10 AM

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I think he died.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Damn

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:10 AM

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He died of natural causes.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:10 AM

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Mine just left

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:11 AM

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The clan elders quickly provoked a near-fatal confrontation between the two brothers that ultimately resulted in Hanzo deserting the clan and Genji destroying it.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:11 AM

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So Genji's just doing his own thing and hanzos like chop chop

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:11 AM

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But how does Genji get his ninja stars from his arm? Does he have some in them?

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Are you talking about his Young Genji skin?

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Same way reaper has infinite amounts of shotguns I guess

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:12 AM

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No in the cyber skins but yeah how does that work for his young skins lol.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Tesseract?

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:13 AM

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?

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:13 AM

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If you know what that is

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:13 AM

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From marvel?

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Not everything in-game equals to lore. But Genji would most likely have them loaded into his arm.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:13 AM

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It's a small object with an infinite amount of space

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Not from marvel

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The actual thing

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Well it's not real

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Sorry never heard of it.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:13 AM

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But now marvel

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Just hope we get the swordsmen skin for Genji this Halloween.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:14 AM

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*not

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:14 AM

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ANYWAY....

Side tracking aside, that's basically how Genji became giblets and Hanzo became the dictionary definition of a stereotype ronin.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:14 AM

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What's weird

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Is how the hell is he alive

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Like I get the cyborg part

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But my man was dog food

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:15 AM

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Plot armor.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:15 AM

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You are not going to replace your liver with a bunch of mechanical patts

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*parts

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:15 AM

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That, and Dr. Angela Ziegler was a literal miracle worker.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Still tho

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Well this is in the future with self ai robots so I won’t be surprised.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:16 AM

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From a medical standpoint

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There's realistically (meaning if Hanzo had full intent to kill and hit the right spots to) that he would be alive

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No way he could be alive

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So either he's dead or he was downloaded into a machine and is just a robot with a meat suit trying to pass as a cyborg

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Also

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:18 AM

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We haven't learned the 1:1 retelling of exactly how Hanzo put his brother through a (metaphorical) wood chipper.

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:18 AM

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I don’t like the idea of his brain downloaded into a body.

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Plus he’s still human as we see from the black watch skin.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:18 AM

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(Meatsuit)

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:19 AM

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And in the Dragons animated short, Genji still has his organic parts when he taken off his mask.

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:19 AM

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Yeah.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:19 AM

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True true I'm not saying that I'm right I just threw the ide about there to have fun

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*idea

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:19 AM

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Understandable.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:19 AM

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Why does hanzo only have feet armor?

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:19 AM

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That's fair.

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Lmao I heard that joke somewhere.

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So when he steps on Legos he’ll be ok and have the last laugh.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Like if you could chose between your vital organs and your toes which would you choose?

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:20 AM

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Are you talking about Sigma?

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Moving aside from Genji and hanzo why did Reinhardt leave overwatch?

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:21 AM

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I think it says in the lore somewhere bout. Having sensitive ankles or some crap but still

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:21 AM

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I don't know why Talon couldn't give the fella proper footwear.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:21 AM

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In his talon skin he has shoes

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No I'm talking about hanzo

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:21 AM

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But

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But

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Reinhardt

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:21 AM

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What bout him

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:22 AM

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In the Storm Rising event, Tracer and her superior officer (and Mercy) had chimed in on Reinhardt being barred from field work. We don't know why.

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:22 AM

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Why he leave overwatch I said?

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Yeah that’s why I’m curious.

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I feel like he’s the type of guy that’ll never leave overwatch.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:22 AM

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REINHARDT AT YOUR SERVICE (Me trying to keep him alive as mercy) TIME TO DITCH MY TEAM AND CHARGE THAT RANDOM REAPER

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:23 AM

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"Having served into his late fifties, Reinhardt was faced with mandatory retirement from combat operations. Torbjörn, only four years younger than him, was particularly incensed that the organization simply "pushed Reinhardt out" after giving everything of himself in years of service."

That's what it says in Rein's wikipedia article.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Oof

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So he got booted for being old

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Oof

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But for real though if I see an enemy that just says charge all over ima charge.

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Yeah, the little guy was so infuriated with this, he wouldn't forget the incident. When Brig came into the picture, Torb related the unfairness of it all to her when growing up.

zenith cloud Oct 12, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Y'all ready for blizzcon?

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Man I just want the Halloween event.

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But yeah I am hope we get a animated short though.

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:25 AM

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Especially when we didn't get one at GamesCom this year.

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I did love the short stories we got. Baptiste's in particular added so much flavour to his background.

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Reminds me of Finn from Star Wars lol.

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But anyways I am interested in the new overwatch novel coming out.

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:27 AM

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There's a new novel?

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:28 AM

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Kinda disappointed that it’s about Orisa instead of the more cooler characters but this could be a chance to make her more interesting.

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Yeah it was leaked by amazon and it will have orisa and the girl who made her, lucio and doomfist.

timid eagle Oct 12, 2019, 2:28 AM

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Eifi, Orisa, and Doomfist I get.

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But Lucio?

ember pollen Oct 12, 2019, 2:28 AM

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Lol yeah but lucio makes it sound better.

worthy rose Oct 12, 2019, 2:29 AM

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kek

worthy rose Oct 12, 2019, 3:44 AM

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I hope it's not necessarily about orisa

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but more so a collection of stories

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cause as much as I think orisa is fine, I wouldn't necessarily think a security omnic who is the youngest in the cast would be the one to be put a significant amount of attention on

limpid agate Oct 12, 2019, 4:07 AM

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But Lucio?

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Lucio has been to Numbani

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Its a stop on his world tour

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Efi is also a fan of his music

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I think the story will be exclusively centered around the heroes of Numbani, and Lucio is more of an appearance for a few chapters rather than a leading role

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Like Echo in Reunion.

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Or Soldier in Hero.

worthy rose Oct 12, 2019, 4:17 AM

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imagine being mad at a military force for retiring an old dude

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Like, bruh you got old. Live your life.

limpid agate Oct 12, 2019, 4:18 AM

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That's not why he retired

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That's just what people say

worthy rose Oct 12, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Ah

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I know diddly tbh

limpid agate Oct 12, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Likewise

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It seems like they did more than just make him retire

worthy rose Oct 12, 2019, 4:19 AM

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I hope we find out

limpid agate Oct 12, 2019, 4:20 AM

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As far as we know, only Reinhardt and Sombra know

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And Reinhardt took it really hard.

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I'd imagine Jack knows too.

worthy rose Oct 12, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Maybe he has a terminal illness or something

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Who knows

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I'm sure it's something cool

limpid agate Oct 12, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Its not a terminal illness

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He was retired 6 years ago

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And its not for his fighting prowess

worthy rose Oct 12, 2019, 4:21 AM

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yeah 6 years is a bit long for a terminal illness

limpid agate Oct 12, 2019, 4:25 AM

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It also wouldn't be as big a deal to Sombra

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Nor would it be a mystery

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 5:57 AM

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I think it might have been a bad judgment call he made while leading a mission

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so he was forced to retire rather than face the fallout from that decision

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also someone earlier said that Sojiro Shimada died of natural causes

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this isn't confirmed

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all we know is that his death was sudden and unexpected

devout sable Oct 12, 2019, 10:23 AM

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@limpid agate Tracer and Mercy also know, they talk about it in Storm Rising

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I don't think it was much of a secret within Overwatch

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there was an incident of some sort that involved him

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they don't go into much more detail

limpid agate Oct 12, 2019, 12:52 PM

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@Lorenerd ✨#5295 It sounds to me that they know he retired, which everyone does. I don't think they know why

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He's taking retirement hard, and they know it was forced on him, but that's where it ends.

devout sable Oct 12, 2019, 1:48 PM

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didn't they say stuff like "did you talk much with Reinhardt after what happened", and "he's taking it all very hard"?

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sounds like they know about a bit more than just his retirement

dusty granite Oct 12, 2019, 2:37 PM

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did u know that sombra joined blackwatch before talom?

worthy rose Oct 12, 2019, 2:46 PM

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She did not join blackwatch before talon

dusty granite Oct 12, 2019, 2:48 PM

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yup for like a short time

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sorry i mean she was offered

iron plume Oct 12, 2019, 3:01 PM

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she wasn’t

devout sable Oct 12, 2019, 3:11 PM

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@dusty granite she didn't, and she wasn't

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whatever you're thinking of, it must've been a fanmade thing

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what is that canon is that both Talon and Blackwatch had an interest in Shimadas

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Reyes contemplated recruiting Hanzo into Blackwatch, but doesn't seem to have ever gotten around to it

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Talon has invited Hanzo and Genji's farther Sojiro to join them, which he refused

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and Talon has an interest in recruiting Hanzo, which he would be likely to refuse

dusty granite Oct 12, 2019, 3:33 PM

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hanzo doesnt wanna join anyone.. he just wants to hate himself for hurting genji

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guess ur right

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but reyes shouldve killed winston

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you thinks they'll add hanzo's dad as next dps?

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😎

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Hanzo's dad is dead

dusty granite Oct 12, 2019, 3:36 PM

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😨

placid monolith Oct 12, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Is Winston Sr.'s death confirmed to have happened in the moon gorilla uprising?

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 5:24 PM

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yes

placid monolith Oct 12, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Darn. I was hoping he might still be out there somehow.

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 5:24 PM

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he and the other scientists were tricked into an airlock and ejected onto the surface of the moon

placid monolith Oct 12, 2019, 5:25 PM

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What a shame

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Harold being alive would leave big plot holes

deft hollow Oct 12, 2019, 5:30 PM

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What a shame. He was a good man. Lips smack what a rotten way to die

pliant sparrow Oct 12, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Now the other subjects could end up being heroes

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In particular the other two that are numbered (unless they’ve already been named)

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 7:05 PM

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which subjects, the Horizon ones?

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📎 specimens.png

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I think only Simon has a chance at being added as a hero, but not for a long time

pliant sparrow Oct 12, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Yeah the horizon ones

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Simon was the ringleader of the Horizon uprising

pliant sparrow Oct 12, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Was specimen 8 up there before hammond was added?

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 7:11 PM

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yes

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Specimen 8 Hammond was listed on the map since the beginning

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people just assumed he was a chimp or something

pliant sparrow Oct 12, 2019, 7:14 PM

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Ah

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So chances are they won’t be adding anymore

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 7:14 PM

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not likely

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not unless the Horizon storyline gets revisited

dense estuary Oct 12, 2019, 7:48 PM

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I mean unless more of them found a way off I doubt any are still alive, I mean eventually Horizon would just start to break down

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I figure the base did require semi regular rockets just with parts and such for the engineering systems.

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 7:49 PM

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there's plenty of food though, and I don't think the apes need much else

dense estuary Oct 12, 2019, 7:50 PM

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I am thinking more the air and power systems

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Not all of that can be maintained with locally sourced material.

pliant sparrow Oct 12, 2019, 8:34 PM

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The apes are intelligent, more so than most humans, chances are that in the universe if overwatch they’ve found a stable source of food

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Maybe even escaped horizon

devout sable Oct 12, 2019, 9:23 PM

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@peak escarp I mean, there's the "Harold's alive but in coma" theory

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 9:23 PM

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how would that make any difference?

devout sable Oct 12, 2019, 9:23 PM

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it would leave an opportunity for him to wake up

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 9:24 PM

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all signs point to him being dead

devout sable Oct 12, 2019, 9:24 PM

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eh, I guess

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but he's the one dead character that I feel may not actually be dead

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 9:25 PM

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it would require a big explanation

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it's extremely unlikely

limpid agate Oct 12, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Unkilling a character works once before it becomes tedious

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They did it with Genji

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That's enough

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And I dont mean in universe examples

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I mean thise to us as players, like Genji

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 11:36 PM

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resurrecting a character who is confirmed dead sets a dangerous precedent and removes all danger from the story

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just look at DC/Marvel comics - there's always some alien tech/time travel/Lazarus pit to bring people back to life, so any character death is meaningless

devout sable Oct 12, 2019, 11:47 PM

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@peak escarp would it really

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literally just show Harold lying down on a hospital bed

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show flashbacks of him being rescued, possibly by Winston

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 11:48 PM

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but how would he get there? how would rescuers not get attacked by the apes?

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having Winston rescue him would retcon his feeling of being without a family in Reflections

devout sable Oct 12, 2019, 11:49 PM

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would it really?

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Winston would obviously know that Harold's not exactly dead

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 11:49 PM

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I think it would

devout sable Oct 12, 2019, 11:49 PM

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but he's also still gone

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though I suppose he would be spending the time at Harold's bed

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 11:50 PM

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people with family who are alive but not with them don't act like they have no family

devout sable Oct 12, 2019, 11:50 PM

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so yeah, I guess that does put a hole in that idea

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 11:51 PM

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it would also been a retcon, since Harold was said to have been killed with the other scientists

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and I'm against any retcon of previously established facts

devout sable Oct 12, 2019, 11:52 PM

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I don't think there was a statement that specifically named Harold as being among those killed

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that's the only reason I'm leaving any room for doubt

peak escarp Oct 12, 2019, 11:52 PM

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not specifically, no

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but it did say the scientists were all killed

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and Harold is one of the scientists

pliant sparrow Oct 13, 2019, 12:18 AM

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Harold is dead, would prefer to see an unnamed survivor e.g. a worker over him

supple bear Oct 13, 2019, 12:29 AM

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Omnics don't grow up like humans right?

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Like they'll look the same throughout their entire life

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same height, size, etc.

pliant sparrow Oct 13, 2019, 12:31 AM

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They could upgrade but yeah they probably never change

zenith prawn Oct 13, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Can’t an Omnium upgrade Omnics?

worthy rose Oct 13, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Omnics do change

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but their change is like the way people change once they're adults and such

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For example, Omnics of the UK are made as work labor robots and we see that Zen's designs looks strikingly similar to those type of omnics, and he found religion and moved past his initial labor programming of sorts

zenith prawn Oct 13, 2019, 2:01 AM

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“Omnics...Omnics never change”

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 2:43 AM

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there is some art of omnic children, but that could just be art and not a representation of actual child-sized omnics

limpid agate Oct 13, 2019, 3:05 AM

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@devout sable I think Dr. Chao is supposed to fill the story thread you are talking about

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A scientist from HLC that survived.

devout sable Oct 13, 2019, 3:06 AM

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oh, yeah

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forgot all about that

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lines up with the wheelchair, too

limpid agate Oct 13, 2019, 3:06 AM

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We don't know anything about her, other than she was not explicitly listed among the dead, she used to work there, and she is now on Earth

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We don't know if she was there during the uprising or not

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But she would explain the missing suit

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 5:21 AM

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I think she left before the uprising

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otherwise I think she would be a bigger deal

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the news bulletin says "Lucheng CEO is a former Horizon scientist" - if she was a survivor I think it would mention it there

worthy rose Oct 13, 2019, 5:52 AM

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who you guy think will get an animated short

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in blizzcon this year

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 5:53 AM

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Mercy

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with Baptiste as guest star

zenith prawn Oct 13, 2019, 6:08 AM

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I was kinda hoping that “What You Left Behind” would get made into a short.

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But that’s unlikely.

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 6:08 AM

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I think it would be too long to be a short

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but a sequel is a good idea

worthy rose Oct 13, 2019, 6:27 AM

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They're definitely doing new material this time. If they just made WYLB into a short, I'd ragequit Overwatch for at least a week.

fringe stone Oct 13, 2019, 11:38 AM

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Why am I not going into eu server?

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That's really annoying.

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Did Blizzard prevent Koreans from entering the eu server?

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want to play games with Europeans, too.

worthy rose Oct 13, 2019, 11:41 AM

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uh guys

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when halloween event

lament prawn Oct 13, 2019, 11:43 AM

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how do you guys even get here

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this is a lore channel

fringe stone Oct 13, 2019, 11:44 AM

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I think the Halloween event will be held in November.

worthy rose Oct 13, 2019, 11:44 AM

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that sucks

lament prawn Oct 13, 2019, 11:46 AM

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???? why would the halloween event be in november?

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next likely date is oct 15th with the switch release

chrome laurel Oct 13, 2019, 1:02 PM

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True
A blizzard employee also confirmed something is happening to overwatch on the 15th other than the switch release

upper quartz Oct 13, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Its most likely the 15th

deft hollow Oct 13, 2019, 2:59 PM

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I wonder if they will give a character a switch exclusive skin like link for tracer

worthy rose Oct 13, 2019, 3:44 PM

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call

limpid agate Oct 13, 2019, 5:45 PM

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!!loreOnly

twilit nacelleBOT Oct 13, 2019, 5:45 PM

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This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

worthy rose Oct 13, 2019, 6:54 PM

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omicc

solar perch Oct 13, 2019, 7:50 PM

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@deft hollow Link for tracer what? As in Legend of Zelda link?

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Oh NVM for some reason I thought you were saying there already was a link skin I was like huh?

deft hollow Oct 13, 2019, 7:52 PM

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Id like to think they do switch exclusive ones. I guess the closest to link would be that elf one she has lol

solar perch Oct 13, 2019, 7:53 PM

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You mean like a skin that only switch users can get? That wouldn't really surprise me much, but it sure would piss me off

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 8:17 PM

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I'd be disappointed by Switch exclusive skins

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I want to be able to get everything on my main account

devout sable Oct 13, 2019, 8:17 PM

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I'm still disappointed by the non-recurring items

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I want those cute D.va sprays dammit

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or the OWL sprays

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 8:17 PM

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this is why I make sure to get everything while I can

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even event skins, since one day they'll stop offering them I just know it

devout sable Oct 13, 2019, 8:18 PM

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I got two of the OWL sprays

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but I didn't have a stable internet connection at the time

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so I couldn't keep the stream up for all of it

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 8:18 PM

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the only things I'm missing are Blizzcon 2016 Bastion, the Summer Games 2016 spray and icon, and Bundesadler Reinhardt from last year

devout sable Oct 13, 2019, 8:19 PM

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I've been trying to max things out for about a year

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spent far too much money on lootboxes, in hindsight

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 8:20 PM

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same

devout sable Oct 13, 2019, 8:20 PM

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but as of late, I guess I kinda just stopped making the effort

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 8:20 PM

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with fewer items per event, I find less need to buy things

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at least Halloween having a PvE event means I'll play more and earn more boxes

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I hardly played at all during Summer

lament prawn Oct 13, 2019, 8:22 PM

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im at the point where i keep getting duplicates in loot boxes if theyre not epic or legendary

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but i am missing a lot of stuff because i got into ow late

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 8:22 PM

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if you're getting dupes it means you've got all the sprays and common stuff

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unfortunately that doesn't make rarer drops more likely

lament prawn Oct 13, 2019, 8:23 PM

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dont really care that much for sprays tbh

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but then again i care more for highlight intros than skins lol

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 8:23 PM

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my favourite are emotes

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I'm always disappointed when we don't get any for events

lament prawn Oct 13, 2019, 8:24 PM

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i like the emotes too but highlight intros pair the character shown in those with some cinematic flair

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its a shame we only see the same few ones in real matches

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 8:25 PM

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I have mine all set on random, unless it's an event, in which case I set the event highlights

lament prawn Oct 13, 2019, 8:26 PM

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i always stick to my favorite unless i have two favorites then i randomly alternate

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 8:26 PM

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I want Soldier to get a new one

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he hasn't gotten one since the lootbox update

lament prawn Oct 13, 2019, 8:27 PM

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hammond’s “pop up” highlight has a bit cut out from the start where the ball comes out of a roll and lands on its legs that was only shown in the gameplay trailer, shame

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sombra needs a new one too but no one’s gonna use it anyway lol

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and im one of them

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my actual favorite sombra highlight is “pulse” but i cant let go of the hacking one

peak escarp Oct 13, 2019, 8:29 PM

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I don't play Sombra enough to care about my highlights for her

lament prawn Oct 13, 2019, 8:29 PM

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i only just realized a few weeks ago that i didnt have any highlights unlocked for reaper or sym bc i never play them

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i got one for reaper now but nothing for symmetra

dusty granite Oct 14, 2019, 3:59 AM

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best hammond one is dramatic

worthy rose Oct 14, 2019, 6:06 AM

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the lore I believe in

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FREE HONG KONG Mei

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is best mei

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😁

peak escarp Oct 14, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Mei is from the mainland

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she doesn't care

limpid agate Oct 14, 2019, 6:59 AM

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Hong Kong's independence would have ended in 2047

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Overwatch takes place several decades after that

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Hong Kong is not relevant to this channel

valid terrace Oct 14, 2019, 6:59 AM

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Do you think Mei would prefer the collapse of China or their perpetuated pollution?

limpid agate Oct 14, 2019, 6:59 AM

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It very likely doesn't exist in Overwatch

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@valid terrace She is very much concerned with the environment.

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That is quite literally her entire character and motivation

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She is an environmentalist

valid terrace Oct 14, 2019, 7:01 AM

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But would it enable her to shut down entire industries?

limpid agate Oct 14, 2019, 7:01 AM

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She's a researcher

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She doesn't have that authority

valid terrace Oct 14, 2019, 7:01 AM

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I just mean if she could not that she can

limpid agate Oct 14, 2019, 7:02 AM

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Maybe not

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Its useless to speculate about it

valid terrace Oct 14, 2019, 7:02 AM

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She’s a little too nice tbh

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Especially for someone who’s lost everyone that we know she cared for

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Except Snowball I guess

dense estuary Oct 14, 2019, 7:13 AM

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honestly its unknown if the OW era China is anything like our current one. As a world power military wise the Omnics would have gone at them full court press.

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A robot war probably shattered a lot governments as we know them

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Horizon Lunar Colony was run by Luncheng Interstellar which comes off as kind of SpaceX type thing. So that is some hint of alterations given a private company is running the lunar colony rather than the government space agency.

nocturne topaz Oct 14, 2019, 8:34 AM

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Omg🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

devout sable Oct 14, 2019, 10:21 AM

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@limpid agate hm, did they get muted posting the free Hong Kong Mei here?

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or did they get in trouble in other channels?

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personally I do feel that Mei would've been sympathetic

dusty granite Oct 14, 2019, 12:09 PM

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did u know in castiilo there is a room for sombra and that in there it says she has connections w/t overwatch

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aalso she got her translocator from winston

devout sable Oct 14, 2019, 12:15 PM

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I mean