a retcon like that would cause a chain reaction of other retcons
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
so it's better if they didn't
and contrary to popular belief, they dont retcon things often
limpid agate
What's this about.
Making nanobiotics nanobots would be a mess
You would be fucking up:
- Reaper's entire character
- Moira and Mercy's entire research and technology
- Ana's gun, and how the darts don't work on Reaper
- Presumably Baptiste and Soldier 76 as well.
Its biotic
Its not robotic
opaque tundra
Overwatch can kinda explain how a freaking immortality field works but not how a bunch of floating metal balls work?
Tbh explaing Zenyatta's orbs would be kinda easier
Because all cars in OW hover
That technology could easily be copied over to small objects
limpid agate
Immortality Field is probably less of an immortality field
And more of a force suppression field
Which makes it look like an immortality field
opaque tundra
It must be pretty strong
limpid agate
The biggest point of evidence for that I can find is
WHen he used it in his short story
He blew up the entire pier, but he was simply knocked over, while Mauga was completely blown away (presumably)
And the ground around him was still intact
opaque tundra
Why isn't this technology being used in wars
limpid agate
Beacuse Baptiste made it
limpid agate
He's a former terrorist on the run
Do you really think anyone interested in saving the world would buy that patent.
limpid agate
A little more than knocked over
It sounds like the impact he took was relatively minor.
Compared to the rest of the shit around him
Chunks of concrete blowing high into the air, capsizing boats
And he's just knocked over and winded
flat mantle
they wouldn't have specified 'battered but breathing' if the impact couldn't cause him to not be breathing, so yeah
limpid agate
Well alright
I guess I toned down his injuries
Either way, granting "immortality" seems like a non-descriptive effect
devout sable
it's still kinda funny how the way it was described in this situation was pretty much exactly the way it works in-game
hasty surge
Because it's meant too
tranquil sun
anyone else bothered by how a little too many of the lines in the short Infiltration rhyme
rose wave
i t s a n o t h e r a r g
weak granite
Michael Chu sucks
They're still in Korea
Apparently Dva is probably the only one who can't fake being ok. So she deals with the ptsd by always preparing for the day
limpid agate
@onyx ivy They were just on a break after the previous battle. The next wasn't expected to start for a while so they went off base. Instead the omnics launched a surprise attack months in advance.
@weak granite D.Va does not have PTSD.
limpid agate
Being sad != PTSD
limpid agate
That's not PTSD
weak granite
That is PTSD
Talk to a vet
PTSD isnt just shocks or flashbacks
PTSD is also about coming home and realizing it's not home anymore.
Because the battlefield is where you want to be
weak granite
That is Dvas problem
She doesnt want to go back to her life
She wants to be ready
She wants to be at the base
Because shes afraid she wont be ready when she needs to be
limpid agate
She doesnt want to go back to her life
Based on what? She is eating ramen while working on a mech with her best friend, "just like when we were kids"
She is prepared and wary
That's not PTSD
onyx ivy
this got dark fast
weak granite
Please dont act like you know what ptsd is. I have studied the issue for so long i have gone through PTSD more times than I can count.
SO SHUT THE FUCK UP
weak granite
PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE IT HARD FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME TO GO HOME
because people like you think PTSD IS ALL FLASHBACKS AND VIETNAM
NO
IT ISNT
limpid agate
I don't
weak granite
ITS HARDER
limpid agate
A better example is Baptiste.
weak granite
and fking Dva goes through that
limpid agate
Have you read his short story?
weak granite
Stupid
onyx ivy
This question was a mistake
limpid agate
Don't blame yourself
onyx ivy
Well...
limpid agate
You asked about Meka squad, and what happened is
Nothing
They're still there
They just took the day off because they earned it.
Its not like her squad all decided to go home, they were probably just elsewhere in the city or the opposite end of the base.
Based on the dialogue, it seems more likely that her crew was off celebrating in the city.
Announcer: At just nineteen, she's become a national hero. Only last week, she risked her life again, defending the city from the Gwishin omnics. She and the MEKA squad took a few hits, but they pulled off another victory! Now, D.Va is celebrating with some hard-earned glitz and glamour!
Dae-hyun: *chuckles* Hey, Hana, shouldn't you be out signing autographs, or something?
Announcer, in background: She's spending ... at the hottest spots in the city! Eating the finest foods, then hanging out with other super stars! Well, life wasn't always like this for D.Va, she had to...
Although it focuses more on D.Va as the hero
Rather than her crew as a whole
But that's just speculation based on the context.
onyx ivy
I actually meant "why are their suits still in the base?"
onyx ivy
Their suits are in the map
limpid agate
None of them are fighting on the map, so their mechs are just in the garage
D.Va is a playable hero
So her mech is absent (at least I think its absent)
The map conflicts are generally non-canon or dubiously canon.
onyx ivy
Yeah, but why would they just abandon the mech?
limpid agate
They didnt
The actual conflict doesn't really have any reason to exist
A fight between the cafeteria and the dorms over the hangar
The devs just put the mechs in the map to show them off. Theres no reason for them to abandon them, nor is there any reason for them to climb aboard the mechs
limpid agate
What are they supposed to do, fly in the background shooting at the water? Or just be 5 empty garages with no mechs inside for the players to enjoy looking at?
Its just a design choice
There's no story reason behind it
D.Va's room isnt shown in the short
onyx ivy
Reall?
limpid agate
The short takes place in the hangar
limpid agate
Also, shorts generally use fabricated versions of the maps
Look at Honour and Glory
onyx ivy
Still, it would be nice to play as the other MEKA.
limpid agate
In Honour and Glory, the map doesn't make sense
The in game Eichenwalde and the short Eichenwalde are two different Eichenwaldes, physically
but the one in the short looks good for cinematic effect
And the one in game feels good for gameplay effect
its just a design choice for why things happen
onyx ivy
True.
limpid agate
To give context
There is a scene where Balderich and the crew are crossing the bridge at the end of point B
And moving down the payload's track towards point A
They ask where is Reinhardt when underneath the high-ground bridge
The next scene is Reinhardt coming from the bridge
And passes by where the team balderich is with should be
But they arent there
Balderich then shows up from an unknown side and tells Reinhardt to get back with his team
Who, according to gameplay layout
Should be exactly where he is standing
But isnt
There are a lot of other confusing scenes like that
onyx ivy
I did not know that.
limpid agate
Honor and Glory: http://bit.ly/2A4FxRa
Watch the short, trying to pinpoint where they are at all times
It doesn't work
Its just what looks best for design, which is fine
So things like the rest of MEKA squad leaving their mechs in the MEKA base
is just a design choice
Or Widowmaker leaving her rifle lying around her house... Winston facing combat when trying to launch the Recall satellite... Horizon Lunar Colony having airlocks where both doors can be open at the same time
Its just gameplay design choices
And lets not mention the launch KOTH maps all being both teams starting in the same exact ship piloted by Lena Oxton
onyx ivy
Wasn't the plane Tracer flew a fighter jet?
limpid agate
!!wiki Orca
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Orca
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Slipstream
limpid agate
Which she also flew
storm rune
ok can we talk about sigma? we'll talk about sigma
peak escarp
what about him?
worthy rose
ANYONE WANNA LEARN HOW TO MAKE SOME SIMPLE MUSIC WITH FL STUDIO??? CALL ME RIGHT NOW!!!
broken leaf
peak escarp
!!loreonly
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
lament prawn
thank you headlesssteel, very cool đż
zenith prawn
The slipstream apparently has a forward swept wing with a canard configuration. It's got a droopy-nose. Bad conclusion: the Sukhoi OKB was purchased by Overwatch and work on the Su-47 continued.
Worse conclusion: goddamn Belkans...
lament prawn
conclusion: youre a plane fanatic and none of that info matters in ow
zenith prawn
Duh.
I pay attention to planes in fictional universes and nothing else.
It's not that hard to tell.
lament prawn
okay, didnt mean anything bad by it
zenith prawn
No I know what you mean.
Sorry if I came over as a little retaliatory. That's not what I intended.
lament prawn
đ
viral raptor
can u give me some zenyatta lore?
limpid agate
!!loreHeroes zenyatta
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To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/zenyatta#story
valid terrace
Itâll be a light read to be sure
peak escarp
most of Zen's bio isn't even about him
it's about the Shambali
I think maybe Zen doesn't have much lore because he just hasn't done much in his life
he is only 20, after all
and he's a monk
valid terrace
I think his whole idea is to cross paths with and by extension connect the âwanderersâ like Genji Mei WB and Bastion
But we havenât seen any except Genji and even that is sparse
valid terrace
Well we at least know Mei was in the Himalayas and the other two easily could have
peak escarp
Bastion was in Northern Europe
valid terrace
I didnât realize he was so sheltered
peak escarp
Germany and then Sweden
valid terrace
Well I guess he either crossed the sea or went by the mountains
Probably sea since he had an octopus on him
valid terrace
Surprised he even held up in his current state
Maybe circuits are waterproof in canon?
peak escarp
I suppose so
valid terrace
Makes sense to an extent
Would cause even more inconsistencies if they added a character that uses water
peak escarp
valid terrace
Seems like heâs just saying theyâre waterproof even if they donât look like it
Or that Bastion happened to luck out and not drench his robobits
peak escarp
I think it's the first one
it would be a pretty big design flaw if omnics weren't water proof
valid terrace
Yeah but standard Omnics like Zenyatta seem like they donât even have normal circuits
Almost like if you asked someone if a brain was waterproof
Mechanically they look like they use some sort of Hydraulic but idk
peak escarp
if omnics weren't waterproof the omnic crisis could have been won with fire hoses
valid terrace
Lol yeah but even broken bot Bastion seems fine
frosty shell
Bastion could've grabbed onto the bottom of a ship too
valid terrace
Also donât forget Gwishin literally lives underwater
So at least modern Omnics definitely pass
peak escarp
so which path do you think is more likely:
Red path is more over land, but brings Bastion closer to people and has a greater risk of being seen
blue path is more water, but away from populated areas
valid terrace
I feel like he just wandered from one funny creature to the next with Sweden being the destination by pure happenstance
peak escarp
this is a wandering journey that takes ~15 years or so
and it's coming out out the water in Northern Sweden, so it was probably in the ocean there for some reason
(tbh I don't think the artist/writers had geography in mind and were just trying to imitate monster movies)
valid terrace
Nah I think 15 years is honestly enough time to find him even in America
I still believe heâs travelled more than just Europe
But with a higher population density than the mountains or tundra thatâs where we find him again
peak escarp
hard to say
valid terrace
Also do we know if Omnics can communicate with each other remotely without using phones or holopads?
Specifically modern Omnics?
peak escarp
we haven't seen them do it
peak escarp
if they're using cellular data isn't that the same as using phones?
peak escarp
they would just have phones built in
they'd still have to know the recipient's "number" and they'd have to accept the call
valid terrace
Well I was just thinking they would keep the servers and ip addresses that we already have today
peak escarp
so it would be voip?
peak escarp
I assume all omnics come from an omnium
valid terrace
Not Orisa lol
peak escarp
we haven't heard of them being created any other way
technically she was - the OR15 she was built from came from an omnium
Efi just put her back together
Orisa was a kitbash
valid terrace
What is the nearest Omnium to Numbani anyways?
peak escarp
I think there's one in Numbani, iirc
peak escarp
the ones we know of are in Australia (destroyed and turned into Junkertown), East China Sea (active; producing Gwishin), Nigeria (active; used to create the OR15s), Russia (active; under omnic control) and Detroit (status unknown - it was in First Strike so may not be canon anymore)
we don't know of any active omniums in Europe or South America
peak escarp
it was an underground city built for the omnics
valid terrace
Ah ok
peak escarp
underneath a power plant
While much of modern Britain was built on the backs of omnic laborers, they have been denied the basic rights that humans have, with most omnics forced to live in the dense, claustrophobic city-beneath-the-city known by some as "the Underworld."
valid terrace
My guess is that the South American one would be in Rio since it would explain why Vishkar wanted there specifically besides a high population
peak escarp
that's plausible
dense estuary
the detroit one would make sense to still be canon. If OW detroit has even a remotely similar timeline to our own there would be a crapload of cheap land for Omnica Corporation to buy up and build an Omnium.
frosty shell
The dates given when Kings Row was first announced indicated it might've been built during the Crisis but that's probably non-canon
peak escarp
the underground city was starting to be built when Uprising happened
you can see the groundbreaking ceremony in the intro
and you can see construction equipment in the final stage of the mission
frosty shell
That's not the underground city, though
I doubt the name "Turing Green" would be given to the slums in the Underworld
I interpreted it as Turing Green was supposed to replace the Underworld somewhat
But Null Sector didn't like making peace with humans
limpid agate
Turing Green was supposed to be before Underworld
Underworld didn't exist 7 years ago
We go into what is now Underworld, and its just a power plant
frosty shell
makes sense
There was probably an Omnic slum somewhere else that got demolished (perhaps to help build Turing Green)
And they moved under the power plant because there wasn't anywhere else that locals would let them build
grim kiln
how much of genji is fucked up?
im curious
because some of his limbs are full on robotic so were the legs amputated, like does he have stubs, or does he just straight up not have legs
dapper thicket
Seems like he basically got Anakin'd except he didn't lose his other arm beforehand
peak escarp
more or less
although we don't know how much of his injuries were caused by his fight with Hanzo and how much was amputations to facilitate the cyborgization process
the minimum we know is that the fight with Hanzo left him unable to walk
which could mean he lost his legs, or just his spine was damaged
dense estuary
Genji is basically samurai robocop
based on my estimates of how much of him is still meat
hasty surge
why does he need those "tubes' on his good hands?
also he probably has some issues with his spine since he need the external spine
or is it there to support the rest of the suit?
young raptor
My country is Kyrgyzstan and we border with Tajikistan. In lore of Overwatch they merged my country with Tajikistan and my country is Kyrzhikistan in Overwatch universe
I hope that we will get hero from Kyrzhikstan
exotic rock
@hasty surge I'm pretty the tube things were just to grant his non-robotic arm more power.
young raptor
@hasty surge just google the countries, as for kyrzhikstan see the comics about torbjorn
hasty surge
It's alright many of the stuffs are just speculations anyways
It's a different spelling
hasty surge
Did Michael Chu said Kurjikstan is Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan combined?
I can't seem to find anything on it haha
raw wraith
peak escarp
Kurjikstan is just a fictional Eastern European country
autumn fjord
4
mortal escarp
frosty shell
kyrgyzstan is pronounced differently too
worthy rose
bet
young raptor
@peak escarp Kyrgyzstan is former Soviet Republic and culturally Eastern European
limpid agate
Yes
Kyrgyzstan is a country from former Soviet Union
Kurjikstan is not a real country.
torn epoch
What is lucio's lore?
limpid agate
!!loreHeroes lucio
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/lucio#story
torn epoch
So not a lot of lore about lucio
sage yoke
didn't papa jeff say we should be expecting more zen lore or did i just imagine that
peak escarp
maybe
I dont think the next Overwatch game will be out for a while, even if it is announced at Blizzcon
sage yoke
probably not, i keep my expectations low. also i'm kind of surprised we haven't had a new short since they usually release one in september and november each year
peak escarp
I hope we get more lore before the next OW game comes out
we'll get a short at Blizzcon
we usually get one in August at Gamescom, but Blizzard didn't go this year
misty hound
does lore and origins behind Skins count as a lore discussion, or would that go In another channel?
misty hound
i know, but i mean like the Year of the Dog skins for Genji, Mercy, Zarya, and Pharah. are those ok?
limpid agate
None of them are canon
They are just thematic skins based on the four winds
Or something along those lines
polar night
four winds?
limpid agate
Maybe winds was the wrong word and I'm thinking of Mahjong
But its like, 4 gods of the cardinal directions
polar night
still no clue
misty hound
the for sole directions on a compass, four guardian beasts, and the four seasons!!
limpid agate
Yeah
misty hound
and four elements
polar night
oh makes sense
peak escarp
misty hound
yes
peak escarp
azure dragon, vermillion bird, white tiger, black turtle
limpid agate
Suzaku, Genbu, Byakko, and I forgot the Dragon's name
peak escarp
Seiryu in Japanese
polar night
makes sense now
limpid agate
Thanks
misty hound
North: black tortoise, Winter, Water
East: azure dragon, Spring, Wood
South: vermillion bird, Summer, Fire
West: white tiger, Autumn, Metal
limpid agate
Metal?
limpid agate
Not Gold or Earth?
limpid agate
Air is also a traditional fourth element
Metal seems
Odd
But what do I know
Fire creates earth (ash);
Earth bears metal;
Metal collects water;
Water nourishes wood.
Okay I guess it is Metal, not Gold
misty hound
eh. i don't really care. i just go where Mythology goes.
peak escarp
the western traditional four elements are earth, fire, wind, water
the eastern traditional five elements are wood, fire, earth, metal, water
misty hound
if you couldn't tell already, Genji is my favorite hero even though i don't have the game yet.
peak escarp
I'm always impressed by the amount of research that goes into skins that reference something
misty hound
guess what... where i am, it's NOT High Noon!!
polar night
same
misty hound
i think Genji's ult is underrated
dim oasis
Why
misty hound
where I go to school, any talk about Overwatch is usually something bad about Genji, sometimes that his ult is trash or something like that.
worthy rose
ECHO
misty hound
what?
valid terrace
Try bringing it up in #overwatch or #overwatch-serious @misty hound
misty hound
ok. sorry.đ
devout sable
@worthy rose ?
steady helm
ECH0 is probably gonna be the new hero
peak escarp
probably
steady helm
u saying that cause its probably gonna be ECH0 x Mcree
peak escarp
I'm saying that because it's been a year since Jeff said "We need more time for Echo"
I don't care what their relationship is
pseudo bolt
What do you guys think the next animated short is gonna be?
peak escarp
I'm hoping it's a follow up from What You Left Behind
where Baptiste goes to warn Mercy
peak escarp
and if not that . . . then I want to see Lucio's rebellion against Vishkar
pseudo bolt
Agreed!
opaque tundra
i really want a zenyattta animated short
pseudo bolt
ooh with genji in it too
opaque tundra
y e s
pseudo bolt
Lol yeah he has no lore poor zen
peak escarp
I don't care about Zenyatta
iron plume
there's not much lore you can tell about him
he's an interesting character, but he doesn't have interesting story potential
peak escarp
he's not going to make the plot move forward
iron plume
maybe sigma what?
pseudo bolt
like a sigma short
iron plume
maybe but doubt it
pseudo bolt
yeah he's to recent
iron plume
they likely would have a plan for someone like him
but yeah doubt for many reasons
true fulcrum
I doubt that Sigma would ever really get a specific short
like yeah I'm sure if they'd ever make a Talon based short, he'd be in there but otherwise I doubt it tbh
worthy rose
Mcree and Ashe ship 
peak escarp
@worthy rose this is not the place to discuss ships
robust sedge
oh god
flat mantle
why does he not like rich people though?
lament prawn
probably just the stereotype of rich being arrogant and selfish
not all of them are like that but he knew ashe so
flat mantle
that's fair, I was wondering if there was a deeper reason
robust sedge
oh G O D
peak escarp
@robust sedge what?
robust sedge
whay dose @worthy rose have to say stuff like that
peak escarp
because they have no tact? idk
peak escarp
unless it becomes important to the story, I don't care about the heroes's relationships
worthy rose
I had to scroll up to make sure you were talking about ships, because actual relationships tend to be important >.>
Like, Reaper's relationship with Soldier helped lead to Overwatch's downfall
maybe not the sole cause, but a contributor
peak escarp
that would be an example of an important relationship
limpid agate
And a non-romantic one
peak escarp
but like, two heroes dating would not be significant to the plot
limpid agate
In this context, it was a discussion of romantic relationships
Those are almost always unimportant
Of the ones in the plot we have:
Widow/Gerard - Defining to Widowmaker's character
Ana/Sam - Defining to Pharah's character
Torb/Ingrid - Defining to Brig's character
Tracer/Emily - Protagonist's love interest
Soldier/Vincent - Not really a big deal, just used to show he's lonely
Reaper/??? - Not really a big deal, just used to show he had a family/is the opposite of Soldier
Genji/Mercy - Teased but unconfirmed, the only potential inter-hero relationship.
peak escarp
I find the non-romantic relationships more interesting anyway
like the mentor/student relationships between Rein/Brig, Zen/Genji, Reyes/McCree
remote oriole
winston is his own father?
valid terrace
He took up the name since he didnât have one prior
He was specimen 20 something I think
So the scientist that taught him to dream is basically his father figure
Also why he hulks out when you break his glasses since they used to be/ are in reference to Winston the scientist
valid terrace
Yeah most of it is referenced in the recall short
remote oriole
is that video?
limpid agate
@worthy rose Winston's father figure is Dr. Harold Winston.
Vincent was Soldier 76's boyfried 30 years ago, they broke up around the crisis. He hasn't done anything notable since.
worthy rose
Ty <3ă @limpid agate
willow night
peak escarp
for what?
worthy rose
Only if the computer was an omnic
limpid agate
Was a discussion from #overwatch , disregard
dense estuary
I am honestly curious if OW(setting) has a Mars colony too. Horizon on the Moon seemed well established, And in real world we could see BFRs(Starship now) to Mars by the mid 2020s at the most optimistic schedules. Fun lore angles of a Martian colony could be either no Omnics at all, they never wanted them. Or the ones they have never rebelled because Mars was too far away to get the signal.
prisma patrol
There would definitely be a mars colony
The only thing is it probably doesn't fit into the lore
It's possible humans landed on Venus or Mercury
But I doubt anything beyond that
With the rocky planets, you can stand on them
Gas giants you die before you get anywhere near them
peak escarp
Venus and Mercury are still pretty deadly
peak escarp
Mercury is too close to the sun, and Venus has a sulfur atmosphere
prisma patrol
Venus is hotter
I'm not saying it happened, just that it isn't out of the realm of possibility
Blizzard is pretty limited with lore though
dense estuary
Now despite hover tech existing, the Gibraltar map does hint that rockets are still depended on for getting up to space though. As you are escorting that drone spaceplane thing to a rocket.
pastel steppe
Did anyone on the overwatch team talk about where the moon base is on the moon? 29ish days of day and 29ish days of night seems depressing
delicate fox
tbh that sounds like a hella good nap
devout sable
humanity probably landed on Mars, but a colony...? seems unlikely tbh
pine aurora
poop
tranquil sun
is Reaper Mexican
if so, where are the Spanish voice lines
frosty totem
do you think junkrat knows he is in a game?
limpid agate
Obviously not
peak escarp
a lot of heroes have voicelines that are references to real-world things, or quotes from famous people
frosty totem
but no one breaks the 4th wall like this
peak escarp
the voice lines are also not canon
frosty totem
its an interaction, not a voice line
cunning ledge
the closest he has to that is when he says something like "start the victory timer, it won't be long now" when the game's almost over
peak escarp
same thing
cunning ledge
which obviously isn't canon
peak escarp
none of the heroes know they are in a game because the game itself isn't canon
frosty totem
frosty totem
the one with winston
limpid agate
I know peoole who use terms like death flags and plot armor in real life contexts
Allusion to a media that exists in game and irl != Awareness of being in that media
frosty shell
also junkrat is kind of kooky so it's not that weird that he'd make jokes like that
peak escarp
Junkrat actually has two copies of that line in his files
I believe the newer one is directed at Wrecking Ball
lament prawn
d.va breaks the fourth wall in several lines
"ohhh, that's gonna be play of the game"
not even sure if that actually plays in-game but its in the files
although it makes sense for her being a gamer and all
final compass
This may be a stupid question but is Reinhardt telling the story of junkensteins revenge canon?
final compass
Ah ok, just didnât know if that one comic was canon or not as junkrat and roadhog were in it and I doubt they knew them
peak escarp
the halloween party and Reinhardt telling the story is canon
but the Junkenstein story itself is fictional/an AU within the story
robust sedge
L O R E
frosty shell
Junkenstein being based on Junkrat is a little weird
But I imagine the basics of Reinhardt telling a scary story are canon
limpid agate
Other than the name, it's got nothing to do with Junkrat
peak escarp
the characters in Junkenstein's Revenge look like characters we're familiar with for the sake of the audience (aka us)
to the characters hearing Reinhardt's story, they probably imagined the characters looking different
frosty shell
the name "dr. jamison junkenstein" is a pretty weird coincidence though
valid terrace
Despite him not hearing it, do you think Reyes based his Reaper persona on the one from Reinhardtâs story?
Life imitating art and all that
peak escarp
I have a theory that Reyes took the Reaper persona from an urban legend that was based on him anyway
based on the fact that "Reaper" has been active for decades despite Reyes only being Reaper for ~6 years
peak escarp
Reaper's entire bio page reads like an urban legend anyway
"Some speak of a black-robed terrorist"
valid terrace
True
peak escarp
Soldier's bio is also written vaguely, but with a bit more concrete terms
worthy rose
Yes, I also think he was already Reaper back when he was still in Blackwatch
Maybe in the final stages when all the drama was already escalating
worthy rose
Okay kinda fan lore thinking here but. Echo is actually Athena?
valid terrace
Athena would very likely know Winston is a gorilla due to monitoring his vitals and general time around him, while Echo has only known him as a scientist with an unknown depth in their relationship
Also her âwaking upâ wouldnât make sense since Athena is already active
worthy rose
Hmmm that's a valid point. Is all we know based on mcrees animated short ?
valid terrace
Until Blizzcon drops, yeah pretty much
limpid agate
@valid terrace @worthy rose We also know Echo is not Athena because the devs told us they are not related.
devout sable
yep, there seems to be no connection between Echo and Athena
placid monolith
Does Pharah know yet that Ana is alive?
peak escarp
Ana wrote her two letters (the one she reads in her origin story, and another one explaining where she's going with Jack), but so far Pharah hasn't responded
placid monolith
Ahh, nice. Where's that second letter?
By origin story do you mean Mission Statement comic?
As I don't recall her having any other media.
Hmm.. I may have forgotten some of the shorts too.
peak escarp
âI⌠left her a message,â Ana said.
âYouâre sure you can leave things like this? It could be a long time before you see her again.â
If ever.
Ana sighed. âShe never responded to my first letter.â
Jack winced. âSheâll come around in time. She loves you. Did you tell Sam anything?â
âI will, eventually. Maybe,â Ana said. âI made a big enough mess of his life without having to give him the news. None of us are very good at saying goodbye, are we?â```from the last page of Bastet
placid monolith
Ah! I should read that.
peak escarp
it is a bit of a fluff piece, but it shows Jack and Ana's characters out of combat a bit
placid monolith
Which story has Fareeha reading the first letter?
hasty surge
When was the last time genji and sym had a legendary skin?
last inlet
Didn't Genji just get the Kendo skin?
peak escarp
Symmetra got Figure Skater last winter
last inlet
So, not even a year ago for both
peak escarp
when was the last time Tracer got a skin?
low breach
tracer got a skin last new year event, so still sooner than symm
teal meadow
i wish they made a new comic about another halloween party between the members of overwatch
it was kinda interesting seeing them in a free time during halloween being togheter
placid sonnet
peak escarp
who?
lament prawn
gabrielle reyesse
peak escarp
. . . who?
night sigil
Gabewad
valid terrace
I think Orisa might be in the longest skin drought
Last anniversary is the newest one I remember
Ana is from last summer games so both are over a year
Doomfist and Sombra are from last Halloween
worthy rose
For the next Halloween I'd like an unmasked Reaper skin
It would have the right amount of spook. I've also wanted to see his face ever since the Old Soldiers comic
peak escarp
I feel like when (if) we do ever see his face, a lot of people will be disappointed
most people imagine it completely monstrous, with extra eyes or fangs or deformed
worthy rose
I doubt it will be something so graphic
peak escarp
it's probably just his normal face, but greyer and emaciated
worthy rose
I agree
Which by itself would be pretty horrifying
Imagine having a tanned friend, and then seeing him all corpse-like one day
peak escarp
tanned
peak escarp
I think Ana's shocked reaction was more because she thought he was dead, not because of how he looked
worthy rose
Hmm, I never thought of it that way
lament prawn
they can stylize the damage on his face in an unexpected way so as not to disappoint
whatever they do, it'll probably be creative
they wouldnt underdo such a big revelation
lament prawn
đż
worthy rose
Probably not what it is but damn would it be shocking
lament prawn
why tho
worthy rose
idk cells constantly regen and degen. my mind is kinda funny like that
peak escarp
lol
plush lake
oops
lament prawn
lmao
worthy rose
devout sable
@peak escarp he's definitely pale and ghastly
but people are always going for strange stuff like glowing red eyes
I don't get that
peak escarp
yeah me neither
peak escarp
does he?
worthy rose
Yes
Also there is a depiction of him on the official website with glowing red eyes
peak escarp
I think the glowing eyes might be a gameplay consideration - make it easier to track where his head is
when he uses wraith in the shorts, he becomes an amorphous cloud
worthy rose
Probably, yeah
frosty shell
"I think Ana's shocked reaction was more because she thought he was dead, not because of how he looked" - On TVTropes I saw speculation that the face actually looked perfectly normal too
There's definitely other reasons for Ana to be shocked than him looking terrible
However, he must look somewhat bad because he uses it as evidence that Overwatch wronged him
peak escarp
I agree that he probably doesn't look normal, but multiple eyes and looking like an eldritch abomination is going a bit far
worthy rose
If he looked like an eldritch abomination he'd have multiple eyes and other additions on the rest of his body too
teal meadow
He probably has some scars
worthy rose
I mean the other answer could be that he looks like a burn victim
limpid agate
Considering we can see his arm
And it looks like a corpse
I'd imagine he just looks undead
last inlet
Emaciated maybe, but recognizable?
last inlet
I was surprised there was any at all, honestly
It's officially licensed, right? I wonder if the writers contributed to it
last inlet
Yeah, from what I could tell off the tweet, it was basically just "Gabriel Reyes liked to make and eat churros with Jack and Ana"
although there's Roadhog's fairy bread too
Which gave some flavor to him
lmao "flavor"
peak escarp
the OW writing team are credited as "creative consultants"
peak escarp
I'll do a full rundown of the tidbits when i get my book next week
last inlet
But it's good that they also put effort into linking it with the property
peak escarp
yeah
elder scaffold
can't wait to get the cookbook so I can create shitty food
graceful mason
can't wait to get the cookbook as its the only Zen lore ever
limpid agate
Numbani novel coming in 2020
Featuring Efi, Orisa, Doomfist, and Lucio
Will probably learn more about it within the next month
Blizzcon at the latest
No official announcement from Blizz, just the Amazon page
devout sable
"named after the powerful spirits who guide her people."
didn't she literally just add 'a' to OR-15
peak escarp
it's also from orisha
from a writing standpoint I think they might have worked backwards - they wanted to name her after these spirits, so they made the robots OR-15s so the name would work
worthy rose
I wonder how they're going to fit Lucio in the novel.
peak escarp
he did play a concert in Numbani during his tour
worthy rose
True but does he have any relation to Orisa, Efi and Doomfist though? I assume it's going to mainly revolve around them so im curious
iron plume
it's tangential so far
his most prominent feature in-game was a tour of numbani
and efi likes his music
I assume it's set somewhere around that time
or maybe the next tour
he's also like
closest to it theme-wise
rio aside
valid terrace
Whatâs the timeframe on it?
Modern day?
Iâd like Efiâs reaction to the ow crew v Doomfist very much
worthy rose
I mean Efi admires Overwatch
valid terrace
Was that a big monkey? A ninja? Some space goblin?
iron plume
considering it's a full book it's possible we'll see both
maybe not efi's reaction to the fight since she'd be like
5-ish?
but some exposition on it
valid terrace
peak escarp
reaction to what fight?
peak escarp
yeah, that fight was in Singapore
valid terrace
I just meant in response to Doomfist
peak escarp
the book would have to be set in present day, since Orisa was only built after Doomfist escaped prison
iron plume
it doesn't all have to be present day
peak escarp
and Doomfist escaped prison after the Christmas following Recall
iron plume
but the main story would be
valid terrace
Is Orisaâs release video chronologically before Doomfistâs?
peak escarp
Doomfist's origin story is set 6 years ago, framed with scenes of him in present day escaping prison
Orisa was created after he escaped prison
valid terrace
He didnât have his gauntlet yet though is that right?
peak escarp
it's not clear, but I don't think so
he was on his way to get it when he attacked the airport
valid terrace
I know it was part of the Numbani map after Orisaâs release up to Doomfistâs
Ik the game isnât canon but it seems to follow along
limpid agate
I'm of the party that argues he stole the gauntlet first, then destroyed the OR15s
But either way
It's the most recent event in the timeline involving him
After Signapore, after the breakout, after Masquerade
elder scaffold
has any of the origin stories made you cry? I think the only one that made me cry was Ana's its just so sad
midnight shoal
Honour and Glory made my eyes water a bit.
Oh
You meant Origin shorts
Not cinematic
peak escarp
Ana's is very touching
limpid agate
@gentle portal SFW
little crag
Idk what we're talking about but someone mentioned Ana and I wanna add that I've asked a lot of people what characters are their favorite based off of lore, and a good amount said Sombra or Mercy, I think someone said Genji.
PErsonalLy my favorite is Ana, I love the whole war mother arc, she's the grandma of the roster I get that but all jokes aside she's a pretty great character
limpid agate
Story wise, I like Doomfist best
I wanna see how the novel works with him
He's always been a consistent character
Junkrat is also good comic relief
Also ended up liking Baptiste more than expected
I see those are all dudes though. Ana and Sombra are up there story and personality wise too
Visually and gameplay wise, my favorites change
peak escarp
how about heroes you like the least
little crag
tbh i cant say much about disliking the characters, all of them are really interesting and some of them have little to no background, but i guess Reaper. Not that he's bad in particular, just not as interesting imo
in game, that's completely different. Reaper, doom and sym would have to be the most annoying in game characters
and a really good mercy who doesn't let their teamates die and somehow knows how to dodge all your shots
peak escarp
just talking about the lore here
little crag
ohh right
peak escarp
I'm honestly not a fan of Tracer
peak escarp
there's just nothing about her that appeals to me
little crag
understandable
peak escarp
her design is kinda generic, her personality is too peppy and her backstory is about the only interesting thing about her
little crag
i agree with the back story part. dont really understand how her design is generic but i can respect that
and yea i guess the peppy personality is a bit annoying
peak escarp
pretty much every lesbian ever has short brown hair
little crag
LOL okay yea that's a good point
frosty shell
d. va always had an appeal IDK 100% why
before we got the game my brother named her as the favorite
last inlet
I'd have to say Tracer too, mostly because of her personality and voice
little crag
did your brother continue to like her after he got the game?
frosty shell
ehh we got the game right before she got nerfed slightly
he's not a fan of any particular hero
in comp, he likes playing tank the best I think
Ever since getting FIFA he hasn't played OW much
lethal dagger
Donât haze me but Brigitte has always been one of my favorites
peak escarp
I like Brigitte
I want to see her character show more
right now all her voice lines are pretty generic
I'd like her to have more interactions with OW members where she questions them about how they treated Reinhardt
worthy rose
Brigitte has a stupid story and stupid personality
Ngl I just hate her character overall
peak escarp
then in your opinion, who has a good story and personality?
worthy rose
Junkrat and roadhog, it really inspires me
worthy rose
I like how they are
peak escarp
fair enough
lethal dagger
In game Brigitte can be a pain I know but with her recent rework sheâs bearable to play against now
peak escarp
I'm excited that we're finally getting an Overwatch novel
that's been top of my wish list since the beginning
I hope it leads to more
peak escarp
so that means we all have to actually buy it
no pirating
sales numbers speak the loudest
limpid agate
how about heroes you like the least
Zarya. She was okay before, but Searching really ruined my impression of her.
Not a fan of Tracer or Hanzo much either
Zen and Sym are also forgetable
And I don't like how Blizz is handling D.Va
peak escarp
I think I could like Hanzo if he gets that redemption arc everyone wants (and it's handled well)
but right now I don't like him
limpid agate
Him and Sym are about the only heroes who could reasonably earn a redemption arc
peak escarp
I guess it would be more like a forgiveness arc? he just needs to forgive himself and stop being so wrapped up in guilt
but all this "I can never go home" and "I have lost my honor" gets real tiring
Symmetra just needs to find out the truth about her boss and decide what to do about it
last inlet
Basically, expand on the conflict that started in her
keen mantle
isn't kinda implied at the end of the short he starts his redemption arc
peak escarp
we got a seed of doubt in A Better World and then . . . nothing
keen mantle
also sym is canonically autsitc
last inlet
as for Hanzo
peak escarp
@keen mantle yep
last inlet
I don't know how that's implied. What was given was a choice
He didn't seem like he'd lean towards anything
keen mantle
idk just the way he lowers his bow and his expression
and the afterwards
with the dragons reconciling
peak escarp
it's implied, but I want to see it
keen mantle
saw it on blame the controllers twitter
hopefully its a lore one and not a silly halloween one
last inlet
For me, it's not quite the same as when things happen off-screen, but it did disappoint me when the cliffhanger from Infiltration ended up being continued in a comic, and not a very great one
keen mantle
I kinda wish overwatch would flesh out existing characters more before getting into new ones
last inlet
Well, it also has to take the game into account
peak escarp
yeah, that was the biggest disappointment so far
keen mantle
@peak escarp what novel?
peak escarp
it's a novel featuring Efi, Orisa, Doomfist and Lucio, and it's coming out May of next year
limpid agate
@keen mantle
i think it was mentioned theres a new lore comic btw
saw it on blame the controllers twitter
That's not a comic
Its his fan hero concept
keen mantle
Oh whoops
hasty surge
How are they gonna link Lucio with Efi Orisa and Doomfist?
limpid agate
He has similar ideals to Numbani's
And will probably be there on tour
Efi is also a fan of his music
peak escarp
a common scenario people suggest for a Lucio short is him in concert in Korea and D.Va shows up
it would be funny if the novel turned out to be Lucio in concert in Numbani and Orisa shows up
last inlet
"hello it's me, dva Efi, your biggest fan"
zenith prawn
@keen mantle sym is autistic?
peak escarp
zenith prawn
Now I just need a character with serious back problems and Iâll be completely represented lol
peak escarp
lol
zenith prawn
Make it tracer. Maybe she ejected at some point.
I mean she had to have got out of the slipstream somehow.
New headcannon: tracer ejected from the slipstream and wound up disconnected from time and with a nonspecific but nevertheless painful back issue.
This is what DQâd here from flying.
valid shell
@zenith prawn Reinhardt has canonical back problems.
zenith prawn
Oooh! Link?
valid shell
zenith prawn
Fair I guess
valid shell
I doubt you'll get a hero where "ooh oow ouch oof ow my back ow" is a core part of their character.
That's a little hyperspecific.
zenith prawn
Yeah no
Iâm just joking around
Tracer is the character I most relate to I guess
valid shell
I doubt the energetic athletic speedster sprinter will end up having back issues in addition to her whole chronal disassociation thing, which is her most notable feature.
Best you'll get is throwaway lines about her Chronal Accelerator harness being heavy.
zenith prawn
Headcannon doesnât have to be actual cannon
valid shell
It does stray into fanfiction, though, which isn't applicable here.
zenith prawn
I guess. But I mean sheâs a pilot which is what I can sorta relate to.
valid shell
D.Va's a better candidate. Still something of a pilot, but gaming and poor posture go together.
And she's ejected a thousandfold more times than Tracer.
hasty surge
@peak escarp what did you write to jeff?
valid terrace
Itâs not his lol
Some dude asked a while ago if Sym was autistic and Jeff hard confirmed it
hasty surge
Which part of the comic that says or hinted that she is autistic?
flat mantle
in 'Symmetra: A Better World' there are a tonne of little hints around. the first time I read the comic I picked up that she was autistic, although I am as well so perhaps it's easier for me to tell. even that just proves it's written well
vale phoenix
zenyatta
crystal ore
That Some Like Psychic Link Yâall Autists Got
zenith prawn
Yes. Absolutely. Autism telepathy.
inner pilot
i have to add new lore to overwatch
okay we have winston
and hes a scientist still
and then comes tracer
and she asks him what hes doing. hes actually trying to do a stronger shield field. reinhard joins. they joke a little together. in the back you can see hanzo thinking if joining ow is the right thing to do. we change to night. they are all eating. i mean the whole crew. you can see ana and soldier talking. ana asks him why he wont take off the mask to eat. he says that it has to stay on incase something happens. he just takes off the lower part to eat. suddenly it gets quiet while they eat. tracer says something strange is up. then suddenly she jumps on hanzo. they fall on the ground. a shot is made clear.
talon attacks. genji and widow were scouting and widow wanted to take one out. genji saw who she wanted to kill so he tried to stop her. her shot missed because of that. alarm goes on. they run to get their stuff and try to follow widow and genji. hanzo hits widows leg and genji tries to carry her away. he sees hanzos arrow and wonders if hes doing the right thing.
i have to think about the continuation tho
just wait
lean prawn
channel topic tho
limpid agate
This is not a fan fiction channel
Also I'm very confused. Widowmaker is Talon, and Hanzo is part of neither
You should probably read Old Soldiers or Bastet, the mask is just one piece and he takes it off rather often
inner pilot
thanks for your feedback
i will change it soon
also i thought it would bring a nice dynamic if the two dragon brothers would join either side to find out if its the right thing to do
worthy rose
But... one is a literal terrorist organization and the other is a vigilante group that is bent on doing good
inner pilot
yes and genji is still unsure wether his way is right or wrong
he may become a spy for ow later on
worthy rose
But he was already a member of OW
inner pilot
i think there should be a fanfic section for ow here
worthy rose
And he is very sure he is right
inner pilot
so people can think about new interesting stories
well he told hanzo in a way
maybe hanzo is the only one who knows that genji is good
and therefore he acts as a spy
but everyone else thinks he betrayed ow
so that the enemys dont distrust him
worthy rose
But hanzo was never part of Ow
Also pretty dumb considering they fight on the regular so hanzo is in line of sight to be killed or so
inner pilot
@obtuse star is it possible to make an overwatch fanfiction channel for people who want to make their own stories and theories about the overwatch lore?
i didnt know they fight on regular bases
also maybe hanzo is trying to find his way
he wants to bring honor back to shimada
worthy rose
No?
worthy rose
He kind went awol after he thought he killed his brother and stepped down from leadership as a result and has been working as a mercenary while every year on the eve of his brotherâs âdeathâ returns back to the shimada castle to honor his brotherâs memory
inner pilot
was hanzo a real dragon? or how is it meant to be interpreted?
i know little to nothing so its nice to get to know some more lore
worthy rose
No hanzo was not a real dragon
The story told in âdragonsâ was to draw a parallel between the shimada brotherâs.
The narrator of the story was Hanzo and Genjiâs father because he was the one who told them this story. They arent literal dragons. Of course you cant take the story to mean the same thing.
Genji is representative of the green dragon and hanzo blue but we know that genji never had any interest in becomming a shimada leader and just wanted to chill and do his own thing. Hanzo took leadership seriously.
But the blue dragon striked down his brother which hanzo also actually did. And now lost and seeking redemption he learns to find his way by his brother just like the dragon story
inner pilot
ok ima read this now. give me a moment
ohhhhhh
actually
the dragons animation is my favorite
i love the soundtrack
do you know the name of it by any chance?
worthy rose
Sorry no idea; Iâm more story analysis than actual soundtrack guy but Iâm sure you can find it
inner pilot
ill look for it. i just hope they released a song about it
also
do you know why mccree called that robot partnerĂ
?
worthy rose
Echo
inner pilot
is that her name?
worthy rose
Just to be clear, echo is NOT Athena
inner pilot
i have no idea
worthy rose
Yes the feminine robot is called Echo
worthy rose
Winstonâs AIn
inner pilot
the winston robot?
worthy rose
No idea
We havent gotten much lore about Echo
We know that apparently she will be giving a crap ton of lore
inner pilot
oh nice
worthy rose
But when that is, is unknown
inner pilot
so we dont know anything about mccrees and echos rl yet?
worthy rose
Ppl think it will be this yearâs blizzcon
Nope, other than they are familiar with one another we do not know
Btw OW doesnt really do ships because they focus more on story
The only soft ship implied is genji and mercy
worthy rose
It wasnât a relationship but itâs subtly hinted at but nothing hard confirmed
A valentine voice line about giving chocolate and some lines I believe in Storm Rising event
Which is about as far as Overwatch touches on romance
inner pilot
is it also possible for the queen(i think thats it) of junkertown to be a releaset character some day?
i forgot about that short tho
worthy rose
Storm rising wasnt a short
It was an archives event in game
Also itâs possible, the devs said they had more plans for her but what plans that is, is unknown
Either a bigger role in the story
A playable character
Or whatever else we dont know
inner pilot
why not both? haha
worthy rose
Cause their character design philosophy usually has a gameplay reason, a story reason, or they just liked the design but it seems to focus more on gameplay recently
inner pilot
also. in those shorts. the ow crew is all split up. did they get together now or are they still trying to find one another?
worthy rose
Mixed bag
Tracer, winston, probably genji, reinhardt, and brig, i think torb, answered the call but soldier, Ana, and mercy have yet to answer the call if they choose to do so at all
Winston knows where they roughly are
But so does Talon
inner pilot
ah i remember the thing about winston
worthy rose
Cause there was a short story
worthy rose
Theres a short story by blizzard where it turns out some former ow agents turned dark or to talon and got winstonâs call and instead of answering sold it to talon
Reaper succeeded in retrieving part of the database, he says so in Masquerade
No
Yes, I will find the quote
Send pics plz â¤