Sigma to Winston (Hammond?): Do you ever miss it? The moon/Do you ever miss it? Being in space?
Sigma to Zarya: You are a very strong woman. But gravity is stronger.
Sigma to ??? (Tracer/Reaper?): You are an anomaly with immeasurable potential. What is there to cure?
Sigma to ???: Possibly. All things are potentially possible, but with enough time? I think so.
Sigma to Reaper: What a strange and fascinating molecular makeup. It could be worth examining.
Sigma to Mei: Dr. Zhou. I've read your work; it's brilliant.
Sigma to Moira: Dr. O'Deorain, the main components have gone missing. Do you know where they might be?"
Sigma to ???: States of being are interchangeable. Time is an illusion.
Sigma to Winston: (sighs) He was a good friend. And you were much smaller back then.
Sigma to ??? (Tracer/Reaper?): I would like to study the peculiarities of your condition. Perhaps we could find a way to stabilize them!
Sigma to ??? (Widowmaker?): I saw you at Luna's Cabaret the other evening. Would you care to go together sometime?
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
Sigma also has a response (probably after asking someone out to Luna's Cabaret): Apologies. I wouldn't wish to intrude.
dry portal
I’m assuming that Sigma is talking about Dr. Winston in his Winston interactive
peak escarp
yes
true fulcrum
yup that's all incomplete ones so far
I'm hoping for them to be complete soon
peak escarp
same
peak escarp
last time most of the voice files were modified was April, when they added subtitles
dusty basalt
subtitles?
dry portal
Oh I just thought they’d make the responses before releasing him out of ptr
dusty basalt
i dont really understand baptiste
dry portal
He seems fleshed out
Especially since he has his own short story
What’s wrong with him
true fulcrum
I love Baptiste
dry portal
Same
peak escarp
I think he's a good example of a bad guy gone good
we already have a few good guys gone bad with Reaper and Widowmaker
true fulcrum
Stormtrooper Finn 2.0 but I still appreciate it
peak escarp
if you look hard enough, you'll find parallels between all the heroes and other fictional characters
dry portal
Because before the Crisis he was just a normal dude
peak escarp
before the crisis he was a child with a family
peak escarp
the crisis took away his family and gave him a reason to fight
Mercy was also a child with a family - the crisis took away her family and gave her a reason not to fight
true fulcrum
I heard he wen't to the army but they didn't wanted to fund him
and didn't saw his talents so he teamed w/ Talon?
dry portal
Nah he was part of the Carribean coalition right?
peak escarp
Baptiste joined the Caribbean Coalition when he was old enough (after the crisis), but when they had nothing left to do he moved on and joined Talon
dry portal
Ye
true fulcrum
oh yeah that
dry portal
Makes sense for him to join aswell
peak escarp
After his service was complete, Baptiste struggled to find a demand for his unique skills. He turned to one of the few opportunities open to him: joining the Talon mercenary group, one of the many organizations that were poised to profit off the chaos in the war's aftermath.
true fulcrum
my brains fried man from the heat over here
dry portal
Talon didn’t have such a giant title as it does in modern OW
peak escarp
they weren't a known terrorist organization back then
dry portal
^
true fulcrum
understandable
peak escarp
they were just known as a mercenary group
dry portal
Oh yeah his old men came after him
He even said that in his short story
I think
Also what happened to Mawga
peak escarp
yep
the only way you leave Talon is in a casket
Baptiste kinda blew him up when he was running away
but it's left open ended so he could return
true fulcrum
ayee
dry portal
Ah
So when does that scene in the bar with Baptiste and Mauga and the other guy take place
peak escarp
present day
about 2 days after the recall message gets send out
at the same time, Mei is in Antarctica building her freeze gun so she can fix the antenna
dry portal
So Mauga is alive then
peak escarp
probably
teal meadow
Wonder if mauga is still togheter after the big explosion or he lost some body part or got some scars
smoky niche
whos mauga
true fulcrum
maybe he got some cybernetics as well
I'd kill for more cyborgs in game
Mauga's the big buff dude in some of Baptiste's sprays
and I think he's featured in his backstory as well
smoky niche
ohh
steep silo
Hello
smoky niche
I just watched Mcrees short right and it had echo in it wat does she have to do with anything
steep silo
We talkin bout mauga
smoky niche
changed the subject
smoky niche
havent seen that either
smoky niche
wait overwatch has books
smoky niche
you type really fast
dry portal
Thanks
dry portal
Well he’s one of Baptistes close friends while working for Talon
Here lemme get a photo
smoky niche
and how do you post photos
dry portal
Good point
urban sedge
Upload it somewhere and get the link
smoky niche
ok
smoky niche
what if you screen shotted it
dry portal
Wouldn’t that still be an image
smoky niche
but it has no link does it
dry portal
Unless you got the link to the screenshot
Which is just equivalent to getting the link online
dry portal
We mean of a certain photo
It’s in Baptistes short
And that’d be more work than it’s worth so Dming was a much easier option
smoky niche
cant find a way to post it so i will just tell you
urban sedge
Literally google Mauga and the photo is there
smoky niche
in numbani theres this thing and it says SIGMA Bot couture or something like that
urban sedge
And?
urban sedge
It’s just a brand
dry portal
Yeah
smoky niche
you sure about that
urban sedge
Yes
dry portal
It has nothing to do with the character
smoky niche
you really sure
smoky niche
wait actually
urban sedge
Unless they reveal Sigma is actually an undercover tailor I am pretty sure
smoky niche
nice i just found an undercover clothing company
what if talon is making bots and then that company is making clothes for them
urban sedge
That’s close to shitposting so I’ll stop it right there
worthy rose
What you mean?
worthy rose
Talon is a terrorist organization so you can't shut it down
smoky niche
oh
worthy rose
Overwatch was shut down because it was corrupted at the end
smoky niche
How
worthy rose
Due to Reyes and Blackwatch's activities
worthy rose
The covert ops of Overwatch that was led by Reyes, aka Reaper
smoky niche
that guy is so annoying
bout to pop your dragon blade then comes up behind you and eliminates you
worthy rose
He's my favourite character actually
steep silo
Y
smoky niche
and isnt blackwatch bad
steep silo
They used to be good
smoky niche
oh and then they became talon?
dusty basalt
its what the goverment used to fight the omnics? i think
or just wars in general
in america
smoky niche
like captain america
worthy rose
It was a program through which they would give certain chosen people supernatural strength, agility, and reflexes
smoky niche
like soldier
steep silo
Well it’s what the world leader at the time thought was needed to defend people from the threat of Monica
worthy rose
Like Reyes himself actually
steep silo
Omnics
smoky niche
Ok
worthy rose
Actually Reyes was a little unlucky because he had some genetic problems, likely a result of the SEP
smoky niche
what is so bad about omnics
worthy rose
The fact that they were trying to annihilate mankind?
worthy rose
That seems like a good enough reason to stop them
smoky niche
what about zenyatta
worthy rose
Well he is the minority
steep silo
Oh and communism
devout sable
what
dusty basalt
communism?
smoky niche
and that bot in the storm rising short where this bot whas trying to protect people
also communism isnt as bad as people think
dusty basalt
some robots good some bad
smoky niche
just putting it out ther
worthy rose
There are examples of good omnics, but the majority of them were the "evil" bastions produced by the omniums
urban sedge
Y’all better not talk about real politics
worthy rose
Also even the good omnics can get hacked by the God Programs
smoky niche
is bation an omnic
dusty basalt
i dont think we should discuss communism in here man
urban sedge
Yes
smoky niche
yes
devout sable
yes, Bastion is an omnic
worthy rose
if I am not mistaken Pharah had an omnic friend who got hacked by Anubis
And he had to kill himself
smoky niche
whos anubis
dusty basalt
a god program
smoky niche
is that in temple of a noob
worthy rose
A super intelligent AI that got locked
smoky niche
oof
dusty basalt
its protected in temple of anubis i think
worthy rose
And has the power to take control of other omnics
smoky niche
cool where
dusty basalt
my phrarah lore is bad sorry
devout sable
"protected" sure is one word for "quarantined"
dusty basalt
no
smoky niche
why was she exiled
dusty basalt
ana has a robotic eye thing though
devout sable
!!loreHeroes ana
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/ana#story
dusty basalt
she is meant to be dead
worthy rose
Of the playable heroes only Reaper and Soldier were super soldiers
dusty basalt
her eye was shot out by widowmaker
well i dont know if it was shot out but it was shot
smoky niche
yeah i know that
dusty basalt
sorry
smoky niche
thats alright
devout sable
the only known characters who were inducted into the Soldier Enhancement Program were Morrison (Soldier) and Reyes (Reaper)
peak escarp
smoky niche
why
devout sable
what do you mean why
smoky niche
justin knowdoke?
devout sable
what?
dusty basalt
whom
smoky niche
that guy or girl in the photo
worthy rose
You mean Janina Kowalska?
peak escarp
Janina Kowalska
devout sable
her name is listed as Janina Kowalska, it's a Polish equivalent to Jane Doe
peak escarp
aka Ana Amari
smoky niche
yeah that
peak escarp
that's her CT scan from after she got her eye shot out
devout sable
her actual name is Ana Amari
smoky niche
oh
peak escarp
she had amnesia
smoky niche
i thought she was super soldier
dusty basalt
so it was just a fake name thing
devout sable
more like she couldn't remember her name at first
smoky niche
they should give spiderman skin to lucio
dusty basalt
ana is a very odd character letting her child and partner man thing think she was dead
smoky niche
she was protecting them
dusty basalt
for copyright reasons they cannot give lucio that skin
smoky niche
dang
smoky niche
because if talon knew she was dead they wouldnt come after her family for interrogation
dusty basalt
i didnt think of it like that
smoky niche
just a guess
peak escarp
Pharah was 26 when Ana went missing
smoky niche
either that or shes old
dusty basalt
i thought she was a child
smoky niche
how old is ana
peak escarp
Ana is 60
dusty basalt
rein is the oldest i think
smoky niche
or older
worthy rose
Rein was born in 2010
dusty basalt
i thought it was 2015
smoky niche
no cause he knows ana
worthy rose
Shrug
peak escarp
@worthy rose what makes you think that?
worthy rose
@peak escarp Original lore
dusty basalt
rein is like 61
worthy rose
Says he was born in the 200's
smoky niche
wait when is overwatch set
worthy rose
2000's
peak escarp
we don't know what year it is currently in the story
dusty basalt
its from the future poland
smoky niche
like 2000 and what
peak escarp
it's "60 years from now"
smoky niche
we are all dead noww
worthy rose
2006-2020
dusty basalt
what are you even saying
peak escarp
so between about 2070 and 2080
smoky niche
wait how do they have advanced technology
worthy rose
Yeah
smoky niche
oh thats how
dusty basalt
im pissed off at overwatch for having such a cool concept but no storymode thing
worthy rose
Yes that's my point
dusty basalt
60 years is a alot in terms of tech
peak escarp
no cell phones
worthy rose
They have it BC its th FUTURE and 70-80 years is a long time, most humans don't live that long
smoky niche
yea and we probably wouldnt have the resources the way the worlds going now
devout sable
@dusty basalt there's Archives mission and stuff
peak escarp
60 years is a lot in terms of technology
worthy rose
There is a lot of research in 60 years, so it's not really so absurdly advanced
dusty basalt
archives isnt very good
devout sable
@peak escarp tbh, we've kinda slowed down since then
worthy rose
I could see Hanzo's ultimate being a thing 60 years into the future, for example
dusty basalt
we got airpods tho
devout sable
there's not that much difference between now and 10 years ago
smoky niche
airpods are for people who cant afford wires
peak escarp
all it takes is another innovation to give technology another leap forward
dusty basalt
like micro robots forming into one giants dragon super weapon
peak escarp
it's not nanobots
worthy rose
Minus the whole "the dragon is lethal to you"
smoky niche
is hanzo a magicina
peak escarp
it's also not magic
smoky niche
what
dusty basalt
its genitics
smoky niche
whaat
dusty basalt
i dont have a clue what causes the dragon thingys
devout sable
it's probably some sort of photonic tech, similar to what Symmetra uses
dusty basalt
oh yea
peak escarp
closest explanation is that it's some kind of hard light construct
smoky niche
lame
peak escarp
that is biologically activated
smoky niche
cool
worthy rose
Or MAYBE magic
devout sable
embedded into tattoos is my guess
dusty basalt
like a qr code
smoky niche
hanzo mains are the worst
dusty basalt
this is l o r e
worthy rose
HOW DARE YOU
devout sable
the world of Overwatch doesn't really have magic
smoky niche
oh yea
worthy rose
Inhale
devout sable
I mean, there's tech that's basically magic, in terms of how malleable it is, but still
smoky niche
but what about moira
dusty basalt
hanzo is really interesting in lore terms
dry portal
Moira reverse engineered Mercy’s nanobiotics
worthy rose
Yeah, Hanzo is a Sad Conflicted Boi
dry portal
Instead of healing it slowly kills them
smoky niche
oh
dusty basalt
nice
dusty basalt
moira is very smart
dry portal
Most things can be explained
smoky niche
overwatch is confusing
dusty basalt
yep
dry portal
Even if it’s technobabble every character can be explained
All 31 heroes
And all side characters
smoky niche
even ZENYATTA
and echo
smoky niche
explanation for echo please
peak escarp
she's a robot
dry portal
We don’t have much info on Echo yet but we should in the near future
She may be the next hero
Zen is a former Shimbali
smoky niche
shimabli
dry portal
One of the omnic Nepalian monks
dry portal
That’s just where the Omnic outcasts fled
peak escarp
the monks chose to make their headquarters there
dry portal
To the mountains
smoky niche
cool
peak escarp
but he and Genji still live in the Nepal village below the monastery
smoky niche
lol
peak escarp
it can look confusing until you get things explained
smoky niche
did you know that overwatch was the first team based FPS
dry portal
Is it
peak escarp
wasn't TF2 the first?
smoky niche
apparently
dry portal
Do you mean class based
dry portal
Becuase team shooter existed for a while
unique sorrel
Wasn't TF2 first? It's team and class based
smoky niche
awkward silence
worthy rose
Sometimes you forget this is a team-based game
smoky niche
yea
true fulcrum
burn but fair enough
worthy rose
It's not really meant to be a burn
It's that I play a lot of deathmatch so sometimes I forget about the original premise
But whatever
dry portal
burn?
smoky niche
no one plays capture the flag
shell pewter
What should be Zen's lore anyways
pliant sparrow
Something that makes him less boring than he is right now
shell pewter
Do you think someone designed him?
Maybe he used to be a war omnic like bastion but evolved
dry portal
Well he’s probably on of the outcasts onmics
Or atleast there descendants
He’s only 20
shell pewter
wtf omnics have age
pliant sparrow
The rocks have an age
shell pewter
I guess I just didn't think about omnic age
pliant sparrow
Hell the universe has an age
dry portal
Anyways the omnics, being discriminated by humans fled to the Nepalese mountains
Where they all experienced what the called the Iris
Now they worship it in a Omni-Buddhist fashion
With many,many obvious Buddhist parellels
shell pewter
When did genji leave blackwatch to join overwatch? Or did he first get his training by zenyatta?
dry portal
Blackwatch is overwatch
And zen never trained him
His family did
He was built to be an assassin
Zen was almost like his therapist
shell pewter
Why does genji calm him "master"
dry portal
And when he was cleansed he joined OW main corps
He was his master
He helped him through his mental struggles
He was very hateful at the time
shell pewter
I see
dry portal
And Zen was able to teach him peace
shell pewter
so twenty years ago, zen was built, but for what purpose? To teach peace to genji?
dry portal
No
We don’t exactly know why
2 reasons
Possibly
1 he was a simple Omnic made by an omnium
2 he was made by the Shimbali
1 seems more likely
But we’ll find out when he gets his backstory
shell pewter
who is shimbaly again
dry portal
The Omnic monk group
The ones who live in the Nepal mountains
Mondatta is one of there leaders
shell pewter
Oh right
dry portal
Now the only thing I can see being able to make an argument that the Shimbali made him is his forehead
It has a 3x3 dot design
Like most Shimbali do
But he could’ve just had that attached onto him later
We don’t know for sure
peak escarp
Zenyatta could have been built as a service omnic
dry portal
Yeah
shell pewter
That's... Unlikely
peak escarp
you can see a shopkeeper omnic in Reflections that is the same model
shell pewter
@dry portal story makes more sense lel
dry portal
It’s just a thought
Anything’s possible
Hopefully we do get his lore eventually
And more insight about the Shimbali in general
Like what the Iris is
shell pewter
Maybe the 3×3 is the Iris plug that zen got plugged
dry portal
Could be
shell pewter
That's a 2×3
peak escarp
yeah
dry portal
But yeah we’ll find out hopefully soon
Has Jeff or Chu said anything about Zens missing lore @peak escarp
shell pewter
Jeff removes zen because he couldnt come up with lore
dry portal
Do You know when he said it
peak escarp
it was during Seagull's Sigma stream
dry portal
Woah that’s recent
peak escarp
yes
shell pewter
dry portal
I rly do hope we learn more about the Iris
peak escarp
I don't see why everyone cares so much about Zen getting lore
dry portal
The Shimbalis tech interests me too
peak escarp
why not get lore that moves the story forward instead?
pliant sparrow
Zen exists?
peak escarp
he's not exactly important right now
shell pewter
Zen's lore would really push the story's sense
dry portal
I mean I would like to get all the founding members stories settled before we go
He was in the first launch roster
dry portal
I want his lore too
peak escarp
and Symmetra
dry portal
Don’t we have a bit on Symmetra
lament prawn
i mean its canon that he has a form of healing that’s even gotten mercy interested, so he can be more of an asset to the story than being genji’s mentor
shell pewter
Maybe zen was a servent, and he escaped, and then he formed overwatch, but later, people realized the founder was an omnic, so overwatch got shut down
dry portal
Wait what
peak escarp
Zenyatta was never a member of Overwatch
shell pewter
Wait zen wasn't in overwatch
peak escarp
no
peak escarp
his connection to Overwatch is through Genji
dry portal
Like Baptiste
shell pewter
oh crap
shell pewter
That's changing everything
dry portal
Wait did you think all the heroes were in OW?
dry portal
Maybe in the future
But for now no
Not even Hanzo is in OW
Or Lúcio
I don’t think
pliant sparrow
Overwatch is older than zen how did he found it?
dry portal
Also true
peak escarp
the ones who are former Overwatch are Ana, Genji, McCree, Mei, Mercy, Moira, Reaper, Reinhardt, Soldier, Torbjorn, Tracer and Winston
Brigitte and possibly Bastion have joined Overwatch post-Recall
shell pewter
Moira Never joined overwatch
peak escarp
she was in Blackwatch
shell pewter
Neither did reaper
dry portal
^
peak escarp
which is part of Overwatch
lament prawn
hanzo might join too
dry portal
Yes Reaper did
pliant sparrow
She was blackwatch which is a branch of overwatch
peak escarp
Reaper/Reyes was a founding member of Overwatch
shell pewter
I'm very confused
pliant sparrow
Soldier: 24
lament prawn
im curious what they’ll do with the heroes that arent affiliated with talon or overwatch
iron plume
Blackwatch was part of Overwatch
dry portal
They were both part of the SEP
shell pewter
What is the Connection between blackwatch and overwatch
iron plume
Moira and Reyes were both in BW
dry portal
Blackwatch is the black ops branch of OW
iron plume
and Reyes was in the Strike team before then
peak escarp
Blackwatch was the black ops division of Overwatch, which did the dirty work like kidnapping and assassinations
dry portal
Uses for more dark and secretive missions
Which is what got OW finally kicked out
For doing dirty work
peak escarp
known members were Reyes, McCree, Moira and Genji
shell pewter
So blackwatch is another team or the same team as overwatch
peak escarp
same team
iron plume
it's part of overwatch the organization
it's not the same "team" if you're talking about the strike team like the four people who were in Uprising
shell pewter
I know nothing about the lore of overwatch holy crap
dry portal
You gotta catch up friend
peak escarp
there's a lot to know
dry portal
But I’ll be here
If u wanna know
And @peak escarp has a shit ton of lore links
She can get u them
shell pewter
Thanks, u guys
peak escarp
I'm going to make lore vids soon too, now that I'm over my cold
starting with a general timeline
dry portal
Nice
shell pewter
What's your YouTube
dry portal
A lot of the lore videos on YouTube rn are missing a lot of the facts
Especially the full timeline ones
dry portal
Aight I found you
peak escarp
I just have old gameplay vids and PotG montages there for now
shell pewter
Cool I'll sub
dry portal
Same
devout sable
@peak escarp is dash included among Genji's canon abilities?
peak escarp
so I'd say yes
dry portal
So what I’m wondering is why abilites ingame aren’t counted as canon
Why wouldn’t they be
dry portal
So Hanzos storm arrows wouldn’t be considered canon?
They seem to have the same function as the dragons
Able to manipulate light to creat things
lament prawn
storm arrow replaced scatter arrow
and at the time of the short, scatter arrow was still there
we just havent seen storm arrows as an ability in canon yet, so for now we cant confirm
dry portal
Oh
I mean idk some abilities seem canon
I feel like they should be treated like how we treat voice lines and skins
Some are canon
Some are not
lament prawn
well, thats how we're treating them
but unlike skins which literally tell you whether or not they're canon, abilities dont
dry portal
What about voice lines
lament prawn
i think thats just common sense, we know tracer never shot down reaper and mocked his "death comes", but the interaction with genji where she blames herself for mondatta's death is only there to show that side of her
its hard to look at an interaction like that and go "nope that doesnt mean anything"
iron plume
I mean idk some abilities seem canon
I feel like they should be treated like how we treat voice lines and skins
Some are canon
Some are not
We do treat them like that
the abilities that the characters have shown to possess outside of gameplay are canon
worthy rose
Everything is canon
iron plume
the others are in limbo, unless explicitly deconfirmed
iron plume
assume no until yes
dry portal
Although I guess that is needed for things such as the dark age of Beta Abilities
Such as Lúcio being able to slow time
devout sable
@dry portal the standard for whether an ability is considered canon is whether it made an appearance in lore material
dry portal
So storm arrow would be considered non canon then
iron plume
yes
devout sable
it would be more accurate to say that it's not featured in canon
iron plume
it's possible for it to be canon, unlike, say, resurrection
devout sable
^
iron plume
but it's not so far
dry portal
Yeah it just seemed likely since it has the same consistent function
It’s able to fabricate things out of presumably light
Which is what both dragons and storm arrow does
iron plume
I think if storm arrow is featured in canon it's just going to be him pulling the arrows back faster
dry portal
He makes arrows out of some energy from the tattoos
iron plume
and not energy magic ones
since the only limit to his normal rate of fire is gameplay
dry portal
Wouldn’t that not be consistent on how the tattoos work then
Plus why wouldn’t they just make him make arrows
iron plume
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lament prawn
but then again, we can make educated guesses on what are canon. i'd say ressurect is not, but mercy's gun, which has made no appearance in canon, could be
iron plume
an ability can be overall canon and not work quite the same as in-game
iron plume
some more than others however
dry portal
I’m just saying idk why they’d remove him creating arrows instead of just making him create arrows
lament prawn
they're either nerfed for balance reasons or buffed for smooth gameplay and responsiveness
iron plume
yeah
see blink for the former and self-destruct for the latter
lament prawn
oh self destruct is a big one
it's in character for d.va's gamer side but obviously not canon because she doesnt just blow up something that expensive and summon a new one from the sky
iron plume
or, rather, self-destruct (at least 1.0 self-destruct) is pretty lore-y
Call Mech on the other hand
lament prawn
she had no other out and it was a pretty creative way of kinda introducing her ult in the lore, but she probably would never do it otherwise
its not an "ability" in the lore exactly
iron plume
it's an ability in the sense that it's a thing she can do
devout sable
what most amazed me how on-the-nose the description of the immortality field was
like, it was basically described as working literally the way it works in the game
lament prawn
if it were programmed into her mech, but she needed someone else to get the reactor to overload then shoot it for it to actually blow up
dry portal
So wait I’m confused
What was different about Dvas destruct in the short compared to game
lament prawn
i mean, i doubt you'd be able to stand in it and survive a bullet to the head
devout sable
in the short, there was no ability to self-destruct, she just found a way to blow it up
along with the gwishin omnic
dry portal
Oh
Also in Baptistes short he survived a giant explosion using the field
So idk what kind of science it uses
devout sable
yeah
dry portal
But it’s pretty damn powerful
devout sable
in reality it's probably something more along the lines of impact reduction field
dry portal
Ye
lament prawn
"activating self destruct sequence!" like its an actual thing programmed into her mech. which is in character for sure, how game-y it feels to toss out a mech and call in a new one
devout sable
some people actually took the in-game voice lines to mean that she actually added that functionality and started blowing up mechs left and right 😒
lament prawn
if sombra's emp was canon, she can cause much more damage in the lore than she does in-game
dry portal
She can also hack a shit ton more
Like a giant synevagor’s arm
Or however it’s spelt
iron plume
svyatogor
dry portal
Ye that
iron plume
A for effort though
dry portal
Also now that I think about if Sombra is smart she should be able to beat almost all OW heroes with hacking
Since 90% use a lot of high tech
lament prawn
just hack tracer's accelerator away, boom no more tracer
dry portal
Only ones she probably couldn’t beat are like the Junkers Sigma and maybe some others
dry portal
Most of there stuff is still a technology with a energy source
dry portal
Oh yeah def
iron plume
electric doesn't mean electronic either
dry portal
His tactical visor would probably not work
dry portal
Ye but it sure helps
iron plume
Ana
dry portal
Reaper?
lament prawn
i mean, an emp as we know it kills all electronics in the vicinity with no hope of bringing it back
iron plume
not really
an emp fries unshielded electronics
but shielding electronics is easy enough that an expensive consumer-grade device will have it
not to bring up military stuff
dry portal
All Omnics probably get ultra countered by Sombra
peak escarp
if you want a good demonstration of how Deadeye looks like in canon, watch Reunion
lament prawn
not to mention this is a sombra emp, she probably upgraded the hell out of whatever we know to be an emp
iron plume
i mean i know ow is science fantasy and all
peak escarp
his showdown with Ashe is a Deadeye, down to the sound cues
iron plume
but how the hell do you upgrade an emp
dry portal
Yeah McCree is just a dude with a gun
Most Sombra could hack is maybe his arm
Depending on what it’s made of
iron plume
it's a big fuck off explosion of energy
you don't make it not a big fuckoff explosion of energy
lament prawn
well not upgrade the emp itself, but as an ability, combine in with other stuff, like a... mass auto-hack? yeah she can probably do that
iron plume
Torb is pretty safe too imo
dry portal
Also by hack depending on what it is she may be able to control it
Oh yeah definitely
iron plume
his gun isn't techy and I think his turret is hella shielded
lament prawn
his turrets not so much
lament prawn
she hacked volskaya's turrets no problem
iron plume
she hacked the electronic controls
lament prawn
oh wait there was a control board
iron plume
on the central
dry portal
Yeah she can probably turn the turrets against him
iron plume
we're talking about frying with an emp
lament prawn
what about tracer's chronal accelerator?
iron plume
I don't think Torb's would be too susceptible to that either
Volskaya's mechs were hacked because of central control
dry portal
I thought you guys were talking about hacking
iron plume
the turret as far as we know is self-contained
dry portal
Doesn’t it have a system that differs its targeting from friend and foe
iron plume
which is self-contained
sure if sombra gets inside of it or something
but at this point might as well blow it up
mei's pretty safe too i wager
dry portal
Ye
iron plume
her stuff is pretty low tech
lament prawn
hacking it would probably be no big deal to her, might as well turn it against them
iron plume
he'd get wiped out if unshielded
but I doubt he is
we may get a moment of realization where a piece of his armor breaks off and he's vulnerable or whatever
actually that would be kinda neat
dry portal
I just imagine Sombra hacking into genjis cybernetics and making him do some dumb shit
lament prawn
like murdering hanzo
dry portal
Lel
Reinhardt would be relatively ok
Only thing he needs to worry about is his shield
lament prawn
but from a writing perspective, if it were canon, they'd probably pick and choose what gets affected and what doesnt for the sake of plot and expect us not to question it
dry portal
It’d just depend really
If we had more understanding of both Sombras hacking and the technology of Ow it’d be easier to decide
Like Torbjörn turrets
lament prawn
but emp, visually, is more of an "epic" ability the way she spreads her arms out and glows and this massive bubble expands in a shockwave throughout the area, it'd probably be an endgame type of ability that causes a lot of damage
dry portal
Probably
Not sure what it’d rly do much of tho
It’s still an emp
She even describes it as such
lament prawn
kills all shields, tracer gone, no comms, all the lights are out, overwatch are scared and confused
just because its not a bullet or an explosion doesnt mean it doesnt cause havoc
dry portal
Would she be able to disable pulse technology
Like the Tesla canon
Or pulse Pistols
And bombs
dry portal
True I guess
Winston would probably be ok with just Primal Rage
Since everything else he uses is technological
lament prawn
we already got our sombra short so im not counting on seeing emp any time soon, but hopefully at some point
its just visually such a cool thing
dry portal
Are there any Sombra comics
dry portal
I’d probably still be able to find more about her hacking cybernetics and abilities
So I’ll probably go look there later
Also by one do you mean there’s more?
lament prawn
it means im not sure if she has made any appearances in other comics because its been ages since ive read them
but i dont think so
and she doesnt do much in terms of abilities in searchng
dry portal
Oh
dry portal
I probably need to read the comics tbh
I’m pretty sure Doctor sent me a link to them
Do they have a specific order?
dry portal
Oh ok
I’ll check those out later then
I’ve been very interested in the lore of OW as of recent
Whole reason I joined the server a few weeks ago
lament prawn
same lmao
i dont know anyone that cares much about it and joined the big ow server on the off chance there'd be a lore channel
dry portal
I merely assumed
If this one didn’t have one I would’ve gone for lore specific channels
But if thankfully did
iron plume
yep
peak escarp
there isn't really an order to the comics, since they aren't connected
but overall, counting the shorts, comics and short stories, the order would be:
Recall -> Alive/Rise and Shine/What You Left Behind/Honor and Glory -> Infiltration -> Old Soldiers -> Bastet -> Reflections -> Masquerade
those are the ones that focus on the plot rather than just character moments
worthy rose
In the comic Old Soldiers, Reaper tells Ana "They left me to become this thing. They left you to die. They left me to suffer."
Who's Reaper talking about?
bright edge
Overwatch
worthy rose
Why would he say that though
He fought against Morrison and then the HQ collapsed on them
They didn't actually leave him to die
bright edge
Moira experimented on him to become Reaper. He was in blackwatch back then. They agreed on experiments, after overwatch fall nobody cared how agents are. Ana was presumptously shot dead by widowmaker. They didn't helped her either.
worthy rose
Was it made public that Moira was experimenting on Reyes?
I thought it was just a thing they had going on in secret
bright edge
Not really public, but i doubt moira had fully equipped lab and wasn't supervised by either overwatch or blackwatch
devout sable
@worthy rose he's talking about Overwatch and Morrison
worthy rose
Why would he talk about Morrison when he was basically fighting him? They were enemies when Reyes became Reaper
devout sable
we don't really know anything about what really happened at Overwatch HQ
worthy rose
I suppose it could just be Reaper having an irrational hatred and not thinking clearly
I'd love to see that event in an animated short since it was the single most defining moment in the history of Overwatch
devout sable
feels like it'll never happen, with how cagey Blizzard is being about it
pliant sparrow
Is ana still the better sniper than widow?
slate oasis
ana was never a better sniper than widow
widow was always better than ana in sniping
but hanzo is definitely the best sniper
pliant sparrow
Ana would have beaten widow if she didn’t recognise her though
cunning ledge
Ana had Widow beat (she predicted where she would grapple, or something?) but she hesitated to fire the killing shot after she realised it was Amelie
devout sable
@slate oasis this channel is about lore, not gameplay
@pliant sparrow who knows, maybe there'll be a rematch that'll allow us to find out
worthy scarab
turbid flicker
lore is cewl
dry portal
Correct
stark plaza
can you guys help me
limpid agate
With what
peak escarp
I think even now, Ana is probably the better sniper
limpid agate
Depends on what makes a brtter sniper
Ana is better in every way but one
She hesitated
Widowmaker doesn't
Ana sees every kill as a person and family she is unfortunately destroying
Widowmaker rnjoys killing
peak escarp
valuing the lives you have to take is a positive, not a negative in my books
peak escarp
in terms of technical skill, Ana is better
iron plume
we don't know if modern ana is
dry portal
So @stark plaza what’s wrong
rotund girder
genji is the better sniper
supple bear
were soldiers helix rockets made by helix security?
limpid agate
!!shitposting @rotund girder
twilit nacelleBOT
@rotund girder Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
peak escarp
he raised a bunch of Overwatch bases
limpid agate
@supple bear They're called Helix Rockets because they move in a helix formation
They were part of the Heavy Pulse Rifle that OW was developing before they went under
wicked heron
Why is soldier 76 gay
limpid agate
Same reason Widowmaker is straight
peak escarp
This event comes after a week during which multiple former Overwatch bases were targeted.
limpid agate
!!loreText
twilit nacelleBOT
Short Stories:
Bastet: https://bit.ly/2QuXHmM
What You Left Behind: https://bit.ly/2Fh7MRz
News Reports:
Fading Glory; Jack Morrison: http://bit.ly/2f9TPq4
Experimental Weapon Stolen: http://bit.ly/2fMrKsj
Lucio's Synaesthesia World Tour: http://bit.ly/2flja2U
LumériCo: http://bit.ly/1XAJfd1
Overwatch is Back: http://bit.ly/1TAWebT
LumériCo Revealed: http://bit.ly/2e6P5oj
Portero Steps Down: http://bit.ly/2fk8Bes
Efi Oladele Interview: http://bit.ly/2miMZkT
Horizon Lunar Colony: http://bit.ly/2reMSKx
Attack on Helix: http://bit.ly/2tn45mk
Oslo Attack: https://bit.ly/2uHKXUr
Don Rumbotico: https://bit.ly/2VtzZKX
Documents:
Mei's Adventure: http://bit.ly/2fMxRg4
Torb's Letter: http://bit.ly/2HK4CWa
Venice Declassified: https://bit.ly/2Hs807B
Cuerva: https://bit.ly/2BHEqd9
Travel Guides:
Oasis: http://bit.ly/2iPTM4K
Paris: https://bit.ly/2GEyOoq
limpid agate
Experimental Weapon Stolen
Should clear things up
The name is probably the same as Sigma
No relation to the company
peak escarp
Helix Security was the ones tasked with guarding them
stark plaza
how did widowmaker become blue
limpid agate
Talon slowed down her heart so that she would become the perfect sniper
stark plaza
thanks
peak escarp
not a smurf
acoustic tendon
Are any of the characters related
limpid agate
Ana/Pharah are mother/daughter.
Torbjorn/Brig are father/daughter
Genji/Hanzo are brothers
That is all
peak escarp
it was lost during Operation White Dome
dry portal
Ye that
peak escarp
Reinhardt saved his life
acoustic tendon
okay
final flax
Is Hanzo and Genjo part of the Yakuza? Or just a crime family
limpid agate
The Shimada crime syndicate
worthy rose
basically future yakuza
mighty surge
Neo Tokyo Yakuza ftw
rotund girder
What’s shit posting
late elm
pliant sparrow
Late 2070s i think
devout sable
2070s-2080s, yeah
hushed lily
so what's the deal with sigmas whole music thing he has going on
urban sedge
An experiment with black holes went wrong and completely shattered his mind so it ain't as functional. He started hearing music which he deemed was the Universe's melody
Personally, I think it's kinda like a state of schizophrenia
stark notch
If only schizophrenia would give u the power to control gravity irl
pliant sparrow
It’s possible he’s more in tune with the universe than most people
He may have seen or heard something that can only be found through black holes
Good luck guessing what that actually is
dusty basalt
sigma is too supernatural
limpid agate
As opposed to Tracer or Reaper?
pliant sparrow
None of them are really supernatural
lament prawn
why would you straight up just make a statement like that without backing it up, as if they tossed sigma into the game without giving it a second thought
dusty basalt
mate he flys
worthy rose
I'm not sure what the fuss about Sigma is all about
Zarya has been having control over gravity since release
Did people forget her ultimate is a black hole?
dusty basalt
shhh
worthy rose
Which means she manipulated gravity, just like Sigma
But apparently Sigma is now very special and too supernatural for the game
worthy rose
And second it's not an actual black hole
IN GAME ABILITIES ARE NOT ALWAYS CANON UNTIL SHOWN IN LORE OTHERWISE
Which she is using, so she is manipulating it
dusty basalt
how does sigma even levitate? does he just control gravity out of his hands? im very confused
worthy rose
It's like saying that if I stab someone it's not me who kills you but the knife
I don't care if they are not canon, because in the game she still has that ability and obviously that is relevant
peak escarp
Sigma manipulates gravity without a weapon or any tools
dusty basalt
thats confusing
dusty basalt
zarya uses a tool to do it, so it makes more sense
worthy rose
Since Zarya was systematically doing the same thing anyway. Yes obviously there are some tiny differences, which most people do not even know about
You calling it a black hole is also wrong; If it was a black hole of that size, literally everything would be destroyed and the world would be destroyed by a single use
You don't have to repeat it, I already got it
dusty basalt
oh stop being so technical
worthy rose
that's not even a technicality, it's science; what you stated is like having a flashlight and calling it a sun
worthy rose
Yes. And you already explained it once. No need to repeat it. Sorry if I called it a black hole, clearly I need to learn more about that topic.
Also really not every ability is canon; Mercy's Rez is absolutely not canon
lament prawn
sigma's experiment went wrong and it affected him, giving him the ability to control gravity
just like how tracer's accident gave her the ability to control time
worthy rose
That was not my point
dusty basalt
ok
worthy rose
My point was addressing someone who claimed that Sigma was out of place/too supernatural, which I don't agree with
limpid agate
Sigma, Tracer, and Reaper all have supernatural powers granted to them by unfortunate accidents. Much like a lot of super heroes in comics.
peak escarp
Tracer's accident didn't giver her the ability to control time
dusty basalt
if you dont agree with me, dont flood this channel
peak escarp
it made her disconnected from the timeline
limpid agate
Well, its not the sole thing
lament prawn
she needs the accelerator to control time, but without the accident giving her chronal disassociation the accelerator would be useless
limpid agate
Its a mix of accidents plus technology and training that helps them control it
worthy rose
I'm just making an observation
limpid agate
And Reaper's may have existed before his accident
worthy rose
Sorry if I disagreed with Sigma being too supernatural
dusty basalt
its a videogame at the end of the day.
limpid agate
Sigma fits in the context of the universe
His powers are no stranger than Tracer or Reaper
Who were the first two heroes created
lament prawn
its a video game but it has a fleshed out universe and characters
worthy rose
If you can't handle criticisms or rebuttals to your argument, then don't bring up bad or poorly worded statements
worthy rose
Also sorry to whoever brought up about the Sigma music thing, I know you got lost somewhere in this sea; there is actually a connection there with like a theory or something
lament prawn
sigma's story is meant to be crazy, just like his mind is, but he fits in the universe
limpid agate
On Sigma's music
The big theory is that what he is hearing is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis
limpid agate
Its a mathematical concept
worthy rose
Also Sigma is kind of in a weird zone cause besides his character origin story, we don't know what abilities he truly has and only have speculation
limpid agate
At the very least, he is capable of creating singularities
worthy rose
I doubt he was straight up forming blackholes and if he was, his ability to control them would already just be overwhelmingly beneficial to Talon since they could quite literally kill anybody and everything