you can go for a FSTW type of thing, with less of a focus on story, but then it feels detached from the player
#lore-discussion
worthy rose
you can go for a D2, where you focus on story, but then it feels too serious in nature
peak escarp
FSTW?
worthy rose
fortnite save the world - the PvE mode that for some reason nobody knows is amazing
dry portal
It’s a bit Grindy for my taste but I heard it’s good
worthy rose
it's been overshadowed by the corporate success of its adrenaline-releasing brother
it is very grindy, but i enjoy that
put some music on, kill husks
peak escarp
I like the Archives missions - just make more of those, and string them together in a narrative
dry portal
Same tbh
worthy rose
the main problem with the archives missions is
dry portal
They give more story to vanilla OW players
worthy rose
you can't do a hard version
peak escarp
I dont want a hard version
worthy rose
that's not what i mean
peak escarp
I want to enjoy the story
worthy rose
not in terms of gameplay
dry portal
What do you mean by hard version
worthy rose
i mean in terms of cooperation
in order to win in the archives, you play well
like a normal overwatch game
dry portal
Do you play with randoms?
worthy rose
this differs from other pves
because other pves like borderlands or d2 requires some degree of cooperation
worthy rose
if you want to cooperate in archives, you either play with friends, which smashes the immersion, or you play with randoms, who you can only communicate with through language barriers
peak escarp
if you don't focus targets, you die
dry portal
Playing with friends ruins immersion?
peak escarp
I play with friends all the time
worthy rose
and make the wheel better
dry portal
Same
peak escarp
we get into it
worthy rose
if we make the comms wheel far, far better
peak escarp
sometimes even roleplay a little
worthy rose
the characters could show more
vc wouldnt break immersion
and you could actually internationally cooperate
i speak a broken mix of 7 different languages, and i find i focus more on trying to talk to my winston teammate in broken italian than i focus on the story and feel of an archives mission
peak escarp
I internationally cooperate every day
lament prawn
when it comes to story games, i have a weird love for scripted/staged/partly linear missions which everyone seems to (rightfully) hate. i'd much rather have the game make sure i was in the right place at the right time to have a pre-made visually breathtaking view of mercy swooping in to save me, as opposed to have mercy be another player doing awkward movements with only voice lines to show her character
worthy rose
@lament prawn somewhat agree, but it can feel old if overdone
if the comms wheel could break off into 6 sections
each with 6 more callouts
you could show a ton of spirit
peak escarp
that's way too complicated
peak escarp
their character is shown in the chatter during the mission
limpid agate
That would be a terrible UI
lament prawn
yeah i agree, but there's so much potential. perhaps if it wasnt a cutscene - if you could move freely, but the rest of the (AI) characters have scripted animations, such as something like mercy or winston landing in as prep for a mission before everyone heads out
limpid agate
Comm Wheel is supposed to be fast
worthy rose
but it is supposed to be fast in PvP
limpid agate
Not segment each time
worthy rose
when you outsmart enemies
peak escarp
McCree yelling at Reyes for blowing the mission, Reinhardt mentoring Tracer, etc
peak escarp
we already have plenty of that
worthy rose
especially through my idea for a potential com wheel and potential short cutscenes during the mission
peak escarp
that would be a nightmare on a controller
worthy rose
then only 16 voicelines
instead of 36
up, down, left, right
do something like rocket league
rocket league has quick comms, it's proven that can work
peak escarp
there's already about 50 interactions that play automatically
and more play as you repeat playing
worthy rose
and i feel they're stale especially seeing as they convey a focus on intercharacter relationships rather than the subtle personality of individual characters
one of, in my opinion, best voicelines in the game
is sigma's hum
it shows nothing
but so much
peak escarp
I played a lot of Retribution - there isnt more than 1-2 minutes between dialogue, and that's when you're supposed to be killing things
worthy rose
it's small, convenient, and it conveys things about sigma as a person you don't need to analyse to somewhat understand
it isn't the amount of dialogue, six
it's the quality and effect of it
limpid agate
Your idea for a comm wheel would be obstructive in what is supposed to be a fast paced fps.
Likewise
limpid agate
Cutscenes mid mission pull you out of the mission.
worthy rose
the story missions shouldnt be fast paced fps games
peak escarp
the Retribution dialogue showed their character very well
limpid agate
The Last of Us is an incredibly slow game
peak escarp
Overwatch is a fast-paced shooter
limpid agate
Story missions should feel like Left 4 Dead or Payday.
worthy rose
i agree
peak escarp
they're not going to change the genre for Archives
worthy rose
never played payday
peak escarp
they tried it with Lucioball and it sucks
worthy rose
but i think they shouldn't treat the pve the same way they treat pvp
limpid agate
There is no reason to add entire wheels of extra voice commands to make a tedious UI
peak escarp
that's why they have to make a new game for PvE
worthy rose
the state of archives is that they are pvp missions with more dialogue, some form of story basis, and tons of weak bots instead of 6 strong heroes
lament prawn
if OW2 could just have those half-cutscenes where time slows down and you have to press a button at the right time to pull something off, but with two players having to do that, and being able to experience it from two perspectives based on who you're playing. i love it when the "interact" key is more than just a button press but has an animation as well
lament prawn
im really excited to see what they pull off, so much potential
worthy rose
weak as in weaker than you, negevia
limpid agate
6 AI controlled bots are also weaker than the enemies in PvE
peak escarp
no QTEs thanks
limpid agate
So that's irellevant
peak escarp
those are horrible
worthy rose
negevia
limpid agate
@lament prawn Please no.
worthy rose
that's not the point
limpid agate
There is not 1 FPS that has ever done those well.
Red Steel tried
It was not successful
limpid agate
And thats just the lower enemies
worthy rose
why debate it?
limpid agate
The Heavy Assault, Snipers, Eradicators, Bastions, OR14s
Are stronger
Maybe not the Eradicators
But definitely the others
A Null Sector Bastion is significantly more powerful than a playable Bastion
lament prawn
im sure they wont do it, i tend to like a lot of things in games that most people feel bog down the gameplay and make it more restrictive, i just enjoy when the gameplay blends into a cutscene
worthy rose
i feel that an overwatch LAOW would work well
limpid agate
... LAOW?
worthy rose
where every character (out of 4) starts individually on a short singleplayer mission
that leads you onto multiplayer ones
with a good comms system
@limpid agate limited area open world
lament prawn
we can assume they'll evolve the story game further than what we have in current OW, and im excited to see what features they add regardless of complexity. im so used to overwatch having such simple mechanics
limpid agate
At the very heart
worthy rose
i said an overwatch laow
limpid agate
Team based and FPS are the two main core values of Overwatch before you get to the PvP or PvE
limpid agate
Starting in single player
worthy rose
you have a hub, you travel to story missions
limpid agate
Goes against hte game
limpid agate
Yeah that sounds really boring
worthy rose
is the tutorial inherently against overwatch>
limpid agate
The tutorial is a tutorial
lament prawn
didnt they want to evolve overwatch as a franchise?
peak escarp
the OW tutorial is terrible
limpid agate
And it also sucks
worthy rose
then if i somewhat influence ow2 into an laow, then just don't buy the game
peak escarp
barely teaches you the basics and doesn't cover team play at all
limpid agate
Not the same thing
limpid agate
WoW is not Warcraft 4
worthy rose
that's because it has a name
limpid agate
Hearthstone is not Warcraft 5
limpid agate
Not what I mean.
peak escarp
the second Overwatch game will have a name too
worthy rose
when they call overwatch 2 by its name, i will call it by its name
limpid agate
WoW is not Warcraft 4, the 4th game in the Warcraft RTS franchise
WoW is a spinoff of Warcraft
worthy rose
are spinoffs no longer consequential?
lament prawn
overwatch 2 is the placeholder name given in the rumor
lament prawn
we all know what we're referring to
worthy rose
that it is somewhat related to overwatch
and a second game
there is no difference betwen second overwatch and overwatch 2
limpid agate
There is
limpid agate
Blood Dragon is not Far Cry 4
worthy rose
- second one
limpid agate
They didnt go
worthy rose
Second Overwatch Game
limpid agate
Far Cry 3
Far Cry Blood Dragon
Far Cry 5
lament prawn
neg means "its not a sequel to overwatch, its a spinoff/completely different game" but we all know that
worthy rose
so can i just not at all call super mario bros 2 super mario bros 2?
it's a spinoff by technicality
limpid agate
They didnt go:
- Final Fantasy 6
- Final Fantasy Tactics
- Final Fantasy 7
worthy rose
i have to say "the second super mario bros game"?
worthy rose
it is irrelevant whether or not it is a sequel
i call it overwatch 2 because it is overwatch, and it isn't the first one
limpid agate
All we know is they are making a second Overwatch project. Could be a spinoff. Might not even be a different game, it might just be a large expansion pack to overwatch itself
worthy rose
exactly
limpid agate
We dont even know if its a new game
lament prawn
what's the point of this argument, they're just using the placeholder name that was in the article, we know its not a sequel
worthy rose
negevia
limpid agate
Because Overwatch 2 is dangerously misleading
glass igloo
its obviously just minecraft 3
worthy rose
it isn't though
limpid agate
It is
worthy rose
dangerously?
limpid agate
I have had to tell so many people that Overwatch 2 does not mean the game is replacing the Overwatch they are playing now
worthy rose
if they announce it isn't a direct sequel, i will go, oh, okay, cool
if they announce it is
i will do the same
limpid agate
Because when people see 2, they see, new game, replacement, sequel
peak escarp
people see "Overwatch 2" and think it will replace Overwatch
worthy rose
then i will proceed to call it "operation jeff"
lament prawn
we were discussing what this PvE story game would include, obviously its not a full on competitive sequel that's going to replace current OW
limpid agate
Like with:
Doom 2
Quake 2
Unreal Tournament 2(003)
Borderlands 2
Call of Duty 2
Need I go on?
limpid agate
Its not a placeholder name
worthy rose
it is!
every gaming journalism piece calls it that!
it's a placeholder until they announce what it is called!
be it a dlc, a sequel, a spinoff, or a fuckin disney movie
worthy rose
potential!
limpid agate
Consider that's their headline
peak escarp
we should say 2OW, not OW2
worthy rose
2OW and OW2 means the same thing!
if the order of the words is relevant, i insist you call it the second mario bros game
limpid agate
You've entirely missed the point
worthy rose
i understand the way people will treat the name of it being OW2
limpid agate
I'm just gonna end this and move on, this is going nowhere
worthy rose
but i think it's silly to focus on that
i think in order to dispel rumours of it being a sequel, we should be told the project name
limpid agate
You're still new here. You dont understand how many people come in every day or so and ask about when Overwatch is being repalced by Overwatch 2, is it worth it to keep playing if its getting replaced, should I buy the game or just wait for the sequel, etc.
worthy rose
but until then, the only harm caused by calling it OW2 is? fan theories?
i'm not new here, i've lurked this discord for 6 months.
lament prawn
Overwatch = competitive fps team shooter
Overwatch 2 = competitive fps team shooter but newer/better
Second Overwatch Game = whatever next overwatch game comes out, be it PvE or a mobile game
limpid agate
^
worthy rose
i understand that's how it works psychologically
but as you say
it will ruin the basis of overwatch as a game
limpid agate
Second Overwatch Game is the set of all Overwatch games that are the second to be made
Overwatch 2 is specifically, the sequel to Overwatch 1
worthy rose
to change the genre
so i won't call it "the second overwatch game"
if it's different
i will call it by its name
unless that happens to be OW2 🙂
glass igloo
second overwatch game will be a turn based strategy, change my mind
limpid agate
Overwatch 2 exists in Second Overwatch Game, but Second Overwatch Game does not exist in Overwatch 2.
worthy rose
RTS OVERWATCH
agreed
@limpid agate
but i disagree that it is inherently bad to call it OW2
limpid agate
A strategy game would be neat.
worthy rose
no, negevia, i was joking
rts overwatch would suck
it would devolve into starcraft
peak escarp
I like rts games
worthy rose
i like them too
limpid agate
Devolve into Starcraft or Warcraft?
peak escarp
it would be a good chance to explore Overwatch as a paramilitary group
limpid agate
depends on the angle they take
worthy rose
but i would like to think that blizzard can come up with some new stuff
it would be good for lore, sure
worthy rose
but the best way to advance OW lore is probably through a cinematic game
limpid agate
Which would be not-great
limpid agate
but the best way to advance OW lore is probably through a cinematic game structured campaign
worthy rose
a game with a central hub world, narration, and music would bring together a minimalistic zen-based storyline
why not a structured campaign with cinematics? @limpid agate
lament prawn
i will take anything that progresses the lore, but its a huge part of my enjoyment of any medium if it has cinematic elements (be it entirely a movie or a game that has cinematic bits)
limpid agate
Cinematics dont define a good story.
limpid agate
I disagree. The cinematics are great, but I would prefer a less cinematic game and one more focused on the gameplay, while developing the story through that.
lament prawn
the people in charge of cinematography and animation wont be the ones doing the writing, so having both is great for me as someone that enjoys both personally
limpid agate
For instance
worthy rose
i personally think games that focus on gameplay more than cinematics often lack in immersivity when it comes to the awkwardness between fight and dialogue
lament prawn
^^^^^
worthy rose
if you've played an assassin's creed game, the fighting and missions are often compelling, the dialogue often works and makes sense, and i enjoy roaming the maps
limpid agate
I think cinematics are what interrupt immersion.
lament prawn
overwatch plays as smooth as butter, but i keep hoping that the potential story game wont just be awkward non-immersive player movesets
limpid agate
I think a great example of balancing lore and gameplay is
Doom
The new one, Doom 2016
limpid agate
There is exactly 3 cutscenes.
worthy rose
as one form of immersion is shattered by the other
limpid agate
1 - The first 10 seconds of the game when you wake up. Then you go straight to killing demons
worthy rose
you're not a cutscene sort of person, are ya?
limpid agate
2 - A forced 3 minute cutscene where you're in a room hearing about the plot of the game. This is the worst part of the game
3 - The end of the game.
worthy rose
i think the perfect balance of lore and gameplay is call of duty: advanced warfare
it gives you introductions and setups to missions
lets you play through a mission uninterrupted
then continues the storyline flawlessly
glass igloo
csgo has a good lore and gameplay
limpid agate
!!shitposting @glass igloo
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worthy rose
hell yeah @glass igloo
don't get me wrong, i enjoy games with little to no lore
i spend years on sandboxes, ages on tf2 and an ungodly amount of time playing cheap platformer games
glass igloo
what do you mean shitposting
worthy rose
but i think overwatch as a lore medium is growing slowly
limpid agate
All the story is given to you through the gameplay itself.
- Holovids that show what happened
- Collectibles that explore the lore
- Bestiaries that provide information
- Dialogue comes in through comms (Like Archives) while you are playing in between hordes to give character and story direction
- Simply looking around the map presents more about the lore of the game
worthy rose
and the community is impatient
limpid agate
You dont need a cutscene
peak escarp
I like environmental storytelling
worthy rose
i have never played doom, negevia
limpid agate
You should
worthy rose
so i don't know if the storytelling in it is good
peak escarp
I think the OW maps do it well
worthy rose
it's too expensivee 😦
the ow map design is great
shows character and kick
i think the best way to visually show off a character's style in overwatch
is highlight intros
peak escarp
maps are often overlooked as a source of lore
limpid agate
i think the best way to visually show off a character's style in overwatch
worthy rose
ashe bullet walk shows all you need to know (markswoman, smug, good at what she does)
limpid agate
Is their core animations in gameplay
How they hold their gun
How they wave
Their motions as they act
lament prawn
it just comes down to what you enjoy, i enjoy cinematography and animations that i know were made and put there on the off chance that maybe the player will interact with this thing if they want to, but unfortunately for me thats not very popular. at the end of the day, it should be an interactive story, so as long as they pull that off well ill be happy
worthy rose
i think that's good, but not everyone can catch onto it
limpid agate
Even reloads or just how they turn around
peak escarp
the 1st person animation is really good
peak escarp
theres a video on it
worthy rose
i'm gonna go to sleep
nice talking with you
hope OW2 cough sorry the second overwatch is set like doom
lament prawn
yeah, i watched that video, that channel is great as a whole
they did everything they could to squeeze character into the animations, but they were very limited by game balance and a competitive environment. with that gone, there's so much more potential
limpid agate
A PvE game could allow them more flexibility.
I just hope that at the end of the game
It still feels like you're playing Overwatch. Like you're still playing a fast paced team based fps
peak escarp
yeah
lament prawn
eh, its personally the characters and universe that makes it for me, a story shouldnt be dragged down by needing to be fast paced and the team if it doesnt have to, especially when the whole point of the game is story
of course it should feel like you're part of a team, with overwatch being overwatch (as an organization)
and the battles should be fast paced
but imo i wouldnt mind some gaps and breathing room for story
limpid agate
At the end of the day
Its a video game
Its good to have lots of story
And there are many ways to not sacrifice gameplay for story
lament prawn
story aside, i really wanna see how the battles will evolve and what features they'll add, and weather or not said features will be completely different per character (now that they dont need to have a set number of "ability 1, 2, ultimate" for each character to be balanced)
limpid agate
But if you slow the game down to one with poor pacing because you want to explore more story than the gameplay allows
It doesnt matter how good the story is if the game is shit
lament prawn
sure, bad mechanics will of course break a game
but if its a story game, then everything needs to complement the story
this all depends on just how reliant the game will be on story, we've yet to see that
peak escarp
too much story and you've just got a visual novel
too much game and people will complain about wanting more lore
lament prawn
not necessarily, they can squeeze more voice lines into the gameplay or have a longer game entirely, and that gives you more story
i wanna be able to blink into the air as tracer
dense estuary
Unsure where in the timeline I’d want a pve SP game. Busting bots in the Crisis is probably not a bad place to set a storyline game.
dry portal
I do like your idea of how combat on OW will evolve tho
lament prawn
i personally want it to progress the lore into the future, but having flashbacks/time skips could be a thing
dry portal
I would like to see more dynamic fighting and abilities
lament prawn
same
limpid agate
A PvE game gives more room to make the heroes more complex
Give them more mechanics or more overpowered mechanics
lament prawn
exactly, im excited to see what they pull off with that freedom
tracer blinking up onto high ground, unlimited d.va boosters for full on dogfights, sombra hacking different bits on the map to use them to her advantage
dry portal
I’m especially excited for that environmental aspect
Some characters being able to use the environment to there advantage like Doomfist throwing cars at people
night thistle
Tf
peak escarp
?
graceful bronze
peak escarp
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worthy rose
If they make another character gay im quitting
true fulcrum
plot twist they are all gay in a way
devout sable
@worthy rose that's your problem
urban sedge
urban sedge
10 straight characters good
10 gay characters bad
abstract timber
thats one way to look at it
another way is to say
out of 100 average people around 9 are gay
so it would make sense that 1/10 characters is gay
and even so
who cares
devout sable
I'm hoping for some bi and trans representation myself
abstract timber
why
devout sable
because why not
abstract timber
because its not necessary
urban sedge
Why not?
devout sable
it's not necessary to leave bi and trans characters out either
abstract timber
trans are like 0.9 of the population
urban sedge
See it like that my dude
devout sable
lol
urban sedge
When Skyrim came out, I was amazed that I could pick a female character
It just... like wow you know
abstract timber
like
urban sedge
I played a female character every run
When trans people get a trans character it's the same
abstract timber
i'm a jew and israeli and i dont give a damn i'm not represented
devout sable
okay, that's you
abstract timber
half the characters are crazy russians or robots
devout sable
some other folks feel differently
abstract timber
you want that play something thats meant for it
devout sable
and yet, I'd like to
abstract timber
where you can customize your character
this is a competitive esports shooter
the characters are just that\
characters
and should be built up based on their personality and history
devout sable
funny how you don't respond "who cares" to the people who oppose any more gay characters
urban sedge
The thing is, Benz
Why do you care? Is it gonna affect you in any negative way?
abstract timber
and not if they like sleeping with guys or chicks
devout sable
this convo started with someone telling they'd quit the game
if any other gay character gets added
urban sedge
Because if it ain't affecting you negatively, but it can affect others positively
Then well, I don't see the problem
Do you?
abstract timber
i dont appreciate it
its like when companies put up 50 pride flags
supporting lgbtq is cool
urban sedge
And why's that bad?
abstract timber
but doing it for the sake of business isnt
it promotes hate from a whole lot of idiots
keeping things minimal is how you prevent chaos
urban sedge
You think OW would do it for business?
urban sedge
How about making it visible to normalise it?
devout sable
"don't do a thing because reactionary bigots will hate thing" isn't a great argument
urban sedge
We're talking about a world where a woman gave herself witch hands and there are floating monk robots
And you wanna talk normal?
abstract timber
you cant call something only 0.6% of the entire population are
as normal
its not so much that
devout sable
do you think redheads are normal?
abstract timber
no
they're unique
same thing
but still
theres a hell of a lot more redheads then trans people
if you really wanted to incorporate it just like say reinhardts ally in the crusaders was trans
something minimal that is comfortable
urban sedge
Comfortable
worthy rose
Does anyone actually give a shit
urban sedge
This dude apparently does
worthy rose
Like if a comic comes out tomorrow
Where one line mentions that Reaper is gay
I wouldn't give a shit
People blow this out of proportions
abstract timber
yeah but making a character gay for the sake of gay people
i just feel like when you prioritize appealing to a community over good character development
it annoys me
urban sedge
Making a character gay doesn't ruin his development
worthy rose
You would be right if the character being gay actually hurt their character development
abstract timber
is
urban sedge
God forbid supporting minorities 
worthy rose
Did Soldier being gay ruin whatever character development he had?
abstract timber
no but it didnt make alot of sense
worthy rose
It feels like people are just blowing this out of proportions
abstract timber
idk theres just no reason to make them gay
tracer is gay thats enough
ana is middle eastern thats enough
zarya is russian thats good enough
you dont need something to perfectly represent you
in a goddamn esports shooter
urban sedge
If that's how you see it, then we have too many Americans because they ain't that common in the world
urban sedge
Do you agree with me?
abstract timber
partially yeah
urban sedge
We should have more Chinese
abstract timber
on that i disagree
urban sedge
And Symmetra is not enough
urban sedge
Well OW feels like making characters gay
abstract timber
and not based on catering to an extremely specific community
devout sable
why not?
I think we're way past time for a black woman hero actually
it's not a particularly narrow category
and yet it's still completely absent from the roster
sure, there's some lore characters
but there's no actual, playable hero
and at this point, it actually feels kind of jarring
urban sedge
Well the thing is, as long as there are people who think games are just shallow click click pew pew entertainment and don’t realise they’re gradually emerging as tools in social matters, there will be those that don’t get it
So 
worthy rose
Y’all think sigma gonna be gay?
devout sable
@urban sedge I think they get it actually, which is actually part of why they don't like it
worthy rose
So the thing about this is; they're really trying not to make it a big deal
Soldier was gay apparently from conception but there's not a way to make or show that he was a homosexual without it being shoehorned in
Cause if you go too subtle like even just complimenting ppl would go "Well we don't really know"
but if you go hard in the paint people will go "Well they're just shoehorning diversity and frankly i don't appreciate it being pushed down my throat
And they're also trying to not stereotype gay people because it comes off as offensive to the lgbt crowd
So they tried to go subtle with the Soldier's old picture of a person type thing but ppl claimed it was poorly written and personally I'm mixed about this because there is no real way to go about this
Also so far we have had no indicator of Sigma being gay
peak escarp
if Blizzard was pandering to the community we'd have a lot more gay characters
worthy rose
That’s true.
devout sable
I'm still waiting for bi Genji 😞
true fulcrum
I want a bi McCree
but for Sigma I want him to be with Moira, that'd be great
even if it wouldn't make any sense but ye 😔
urban sedge
It wouldn’t make sense but it’d be dope
true fulcrum
exactly
peak escarp
I want McCree to be confirmed straight and in a relationship just to annoy all the shippers
worthy rose
That would be amazing
true fulcrum
hahaha I mean I wouldn't mind either
but Cree looks bi to me I can't help it
haha
peak escarp
😈
worthy rose
But shippers really don't care
peak escarp
no, but they would still complain
they complained when he looked "too white" in Reunion
worthy rose
Yesssss
true fulcrum
oof wth
worthy rose
Watching them struggle was the best part of Emily existing
true fulcrum
sometimes people can get rly weird with the characters
true fulcrum
lmao Icaro I love shipping stuff
but at the same time, I couldn't care any less
people bickering over ships is the dumbest thing
worthy rose
I don't, I find it cringe and most of the time completely nonsensical
peak escarp
agreed
worthy rose
Usually ships should at least have some basis in the lore
true fulcrum
I know what ya mean
I got the curse of being creative though as an artist
so my mind often wanders out of lore area, I'm guilty of that
I hate fanfics though, never read that stuff
this is cringe to me hahaha
worthy rose
I mean, do what you like
I just find it weird to ship a 60 years old ghost with a 30 year old (?) blue lady
peak escarp
but also, she's his dead best friend's wife and murderer
worthy rose
Eh I just came across some fanart of that and it got stuck in my head
devout sable
I still can't over how Sombra is actually older than Zarya
limpid agate
I read speculation that the next short will debut during OWL grand finals
Specifically
At half time
Because Blizz hasn't announced a half time music act yet
Like they did last year
peak escarp
anything would be better than last year
worthy rose
When do they take place?
limpid agate
September 29
worthy rose
Thanks
dense estuary
29th in Philadelphia.
smoky niche
have you guys noticed in numbani it has SIGMA Bot cotures or something like that
how do i post photos
reef dagger
About Sigma...
I'm a bit curious about his Hyperspheres
Like, why precisely does he wield two, I wonder?
(in one hand, at that)
urban sedge
Honestly, I think that's just for gameplay purposes
limpid agate
^
peak escarp
a lot of things are just for gameplay purposes
dry portal
Yeah he can most likely summon more I assume
He merely does 2 for gameplay
Just like cooldowns on abilities such as Dvas boosters
worthy rose
irl he just holds out his hand and shoots an infinite stream of bouncy balls of succ. I hope.
urban sedge
Bouncy balls of succ 
Yeah he doesn’t fight
But I think the canon is he’s pretty feckin OP
urban sedge
I want more Sigma lore so much
dry portal
Same
dry portal
Not exactly
worthy rose
Ik
peak escarp
he's damaged
dry portal
He’s more of insane
urban sedge
You’re feeding a troll
worthy rose
Assuming im a troll?
dry portal
Gotta feed the cattle sometime
urban sedge
Lol
worthy rose
Barb toxic
worthy rose
Thanos snap
urban sedge
There’s that Sigma spray that shows his brain as a black hole. People went nuts thinking it could be canon that he has an actual black hole in his head
dry portal
I’d assume his head would crunch like a walnut if he had a black hole for a brain
urban sedge
The creator said himself it’s because people in asylums don’t wear shoes, since they could hurt themselves with the shoelaces
And they wanted this touch of crazy in his design
Which was spot on
worthy rose
I only buy the hottest skins for the female characters
dry portal
Nice
peak escarp
don't be gross
dry portal
The scar lines on his eyes were a good touch
peak escarp
their summer skins are tasteful
worthy rose
Can you believe
dry portal
I also like how they didn’t just make him generic insano sicko dude
worthy rose
People were complaining about sigma being an old white man
dry portal
He’s very polite to most of the cast
peak escarp
I didn't see that many people complaining about it
just people complaining that people complained about it
dry portal
Unless you’re looking in the depths of twitter than sure
worthy rose
The trash side of the community were
peak escarp
I tend to avoid Twitter comments
worthy rose
WhAt is ThAt MeLoDy
dry portal
Like idk I feel like there’s more to Sigmas character
He’s insane but he’s still a genius
urban sedge
Oh there is so much
worthy rose
I think thats my favorite line
dry portal
I feel like he knows he’s being used
urban sedge
He's not entirely incapable of being a functioning person
dry portal
By Talon that is
worthy rose
Plot twist
urban sedge
He basically developed double personality
prisma wren
symmetra is autistic?
worthy rose
Sigma faked being crazy
dry portal
Is she?
worthy rose
Yeah symettra confirmed autism
urban sedge
Is she?
prisma wren
thats what i heard
peak escarp
yes
prisma wren
thx
worthy rose
In the comics it showed her behave the way an autisitc person does
peak escarp
Sigma wasn't locked up for being mentally ill, he was locked up because he suddenly gained gravity powers and couldn't control them
he was a danger to everyone
prisma wren
is this considered shit posting?
dry portal
I’ve thought I heard that he sees his gravitational powers as musical notations
Which sounds baller
urban sedge
Well the primary cause was because of that. And he became cuckoo while in lock-up
That sounds amazing
peak escarp
my theory is that he hears the Music of the Spheres
dry portal
You get grav powers and a sick melody 24:7
urban sedge
Hehe... sounds. No pun intended
peak escarp
urban sedge
Well there was this pre-socratic philosopher that said the universal truth is based on an universal music
dry portal
So it regards all cosmic things as music notations
That’s a cool theory
Where do U find this stuff
prisma wren
where does doc find this stuff
urban sedge
I need to remember his name
dry portal
Damn bruh I’m reading people’s minds today
dry portal
Respectable
urban sedge
Actually... it was Pithagoras
dry portal
OW lore is cool
urban sedge
Doctor I respect the sheet out of ya
urban sedge
Yep
prisma wren
what happened to binge?
urban sedge
I lurk around here sometimes just watching the discussions
urban sedge
Shameless self promo 😛
peak escarp
I keep a database of all the lore (and lore-adjacent) that we get
dry portal
Damn
urban sedge
Damn it has links. It has everything
Thanks so much for sharing
dry portal
Imma cop this if you don’t mind
peak escarp
go ahead and bookmark it, I keep it updated
urban sedge
You MVP
peak escarp
so if you ever wonder why I have links so quickly
urban sedge
Doctor is not, in fact, a bot
peak escarp
I also keep a document with all of Chu's lore relevant tweets and forum posts
he hasn't shared anything in a while
dry portal
Chu is the head writer right?
peak escarp
yes
peak escarp
yes
dry portal
I need to follow him
peak escarp
but he doesn't post a lot during the summer
urban sedge
I don't have Twitter. Y'all are all I have
peak escarp
I should add instagram on there too, but I don't use it
urban sedge
Was watching Spree's stream and someone said Sig and Hog had the same voice actor
Glad to know that ain't true
Because I was really confused
peak escarp
that's . . . not even close
urban sedge
It ain't
Anyway. Someone needs to give Boris a nobel prize
Well not a nobel
A prize.
peak escarp
I had an argument once with someone who thought Orisa and Athena had the same VA
peak escarp
here's another thing for the new people/lurkers
prisma wren
wrecking ball has 2 VA
prisma wren
or are you not counting the one who does squeaks
dry portal
Did you make that?
dry portal
Goddamn
peak escarp
it's a calendar of all the releases we've gotten since 2016
it helps visualize the release patterns
peak escarp
I get a bit obsessive when I find something that I like
dry portal
Fair
dry portal
This is more of me just wanting more omnics but I wish we could play as Bob
Like make it like Symmetras old ult
You can double click to take control of him
dry portal
Who’s that
peak escarp
dry portal
Ooooooooo
peak escarp
we've been calling him Predator 'cause he kinda looks like Predator
peak escarp
others call him Null Hector because they think he's a Null Sector leader
but he doesn't have an official name
he's seen in the cutscene at the end of Storm Rising
dry portal
Wait holy shit I’m stupid
urban sedge
He hs a lot of hero potential
urban sedge
It was in Arcade for a good while
dry portal
Rly???
urban sedge
Ya
peak escarp
I really wish they would upload the Archives event cutscenes on the official channel
dry portal
Am I blind??????
Although I haven’t played OW in a good minutes
But idk I feel like o would hear of this
urban sedge
I mean if you came back only couple of months ago you missed it
peak escarp
Storm Rising was in April of this year
and it was also playable during Anniversary in May
peak escarp
thank you
I keep having to find a new link for the cutscenes
the last few I had got de-listed
that's the problem with having to use unofficial vids
urban sedge
Why are they taking long to upload it?
urban sedge
Oh
peak escarp
or Tracer's origin trailer from 2014
dry portal
Ok just got back from watching it
So is Max still in custody in current day OW or did he break free
limpid agate
Which cutscenes got delisted?
peak escarp
it's good to check links that aren't official every so often
in case they get broken
@dry portal Max is free in present day
see the comic "Masquerade"
limpid agate
peak escarp
oh yeah - Roadtrip isn't posted officially either
limpid agate
!!loreShorts
twilit nacelleBOT
Animated Shorts:
Cinematic Trailer: http://bit.ly/1yhzaCC
Recall: http://bit.ly/1T1Aky8
Alive: http://bit.ly/1PSJV5x
Dragons: http://bit.ly/1WAZs3c
Hero: http://bit.ly/1ToCD1E
The Last Bastion: http://bit.ly/2b3TsNN
Infiltration: http://bit.ly/2emetBC
Rise and Shine: http://bit.ly/2xcMYoH
Honor and Glory: http://bit.ly/2A4FxRa
Shooting Star: https://bit.ly/2MCgtuP
Reunion: https://bit.ly/2AJhhHo
Origin Trailers:
Tracer: http://bit.ly/2fDNQxI
Soldier 76: http://bit.ly/1FpWpDB
Ana: http://bit.ly/29zamjl
Sombra: http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
Orisa: http://bit.ly/2liKFy8
King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
Doomfist: http://bit.ly/2tWoWzZ
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
Brigitte: http://bit.ly/2GSto50
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Ashe: https://bit.ly/2F2SPor
Baptiste: https://bit.ly/2TeM1Kq
Sigma: https://bit.ly/2JJTVWE
Other Videos:
A Moment in Crime - Junkers: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Are You With Us?: http://bit.ly/2fle4Uw
We Are Overwatch: http://bit.ly/1Pd9XmJ
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2MLHf44
Roadtrip: https://bit.ly/2RLk08M
Storm Rising: https://bit.ly/2MLHkEU
limpid agate
The last 3 on that list and Tracer Origins
Are not listed officially
The rest are
peak escarp
I highlighted the unofficial videos in my database so I can remember to check the links periodically
none of this would be a problem if Blizzard kept a list of their own damn lore
I know they never will, but I wish they'd revisit Uprising and add intro/outro cutscenes to match the other two
limpid agate
It has an intro scene
Its the origin trailer
But no outro
So no closure
It just... End
limpid agate
"Congagutations, you saved the hostages"
peak escarp
yeah, some closure would be nice
show the hostages being saved, maybe whatever fallout there was for Morrison after he disobeyed orders
prisma wren
hostages?
peak escarp
the Uprising mission is to save the hostages that Null Sector took
Mondatta, the Mayor of London, and some others
it's not actually that clear - the intro doesn't mention the hostages, and it's only in a few of the interactions
prisma wren
so they were held hostage in the final place in kings row?
peak escarp
yes
prisma wren
ah
peak escarp
who?
narrow field
Don't worru
random egret
Hello
desert hawk
That new dude, what’s the deal with him?
limpid agate
Can you be more specific with your question @desert hawk
dusty basalt
sigma
limpid agate
!!loreHeroes sigma
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/sigma#story
desert hawk
Ty
raven sail
guys liao might just be mercy but they needed to switch identities so the people in the ow universe dont know who she is.
peak escarp
no
raven sail
why not
limpid root
Wouldn't make much sense
peak escarp
because Mercy was a child during the omnic crisis
limpid agate
!!shitposting @raven sail 1221#4898
twilit nacelleBOT
@raven sail Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
limpid agate
Saying something absurd for shock value means you're shitposting
Don't try being a smart ass or wasting anyone's time
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to lore. Consider this your final warning.
pliant sparrow
Is there the possibility that liao is dead?
pliant sparrow
MIA also possible?
peak escarp
there's a lot of explanations for where Liao is
the most boring of those is that Liao got retconned out and doesn't exist anymore
pliant sparrow
Hope that isn’t the case
Since it’s a character they can literally do whatever they like with
worthy rose
Can we consider them a possible hero in the future? It is hard, since the developers haven't mentioned them since even before the game released.
timid eagle
I'm personally waiting for the game to have updated voice interactions with the cast for Sigma. Moira, Mei, Winston, and Mercy come to mind.
lament prawn
i doubt they'd retcon a character with no issues and barely any lore that they can make up whatever they like about them and slap the name liao on that character they created
peak escarp
I think they'll add more interactions soon
Sigma has half-finished interactions that need completing
pliant sparrow
Yeah liao has the most creative potential of any character short of the ones we don’t even know exist yet
timid eagle
We really don't have much to go with, outside from the fact he was a founding member of the organization.
pliant sparrow
We don’t even know their gender lol
peak escarp
I'm hoping Liao is female because I don't want Ana to be the only female founder
lament prawn
considering they're a founding member as relevant to the main plot as ana, jack, reaper, etc they need to flesh them out properly if they ever expand on them
pliant sparrow
Do we even know if they’re human?
timid eagle
At least Sojourn looks cool. And it would be fun to have another cyborg character added to the cast.
peak escarp
considering they helped found Overwatch during the omnic crisis, I'd be very surprised if Liao turned out to be an omnic
pliant sparrow
Who knows, they could have been a reprogrammed omnic, a sort of secret weapon against omnics
urban sedge
A little cliche. But interesting
zenith prawn
K-2SO wants to know your location
worthy rose
Why does gender matter
Why does race matter
Why can't you just let them make good characters with THEIR views and not yours
urban sedge
I have a legit question tho. It's very very small and dumb but it sat on my mind
Sometimes when Sig kills Mei, he says "you're just a scientist!"
And like... what's even the sense in that
He's a scientist too
dusty basalt
she cant control gravity
urban sedge
So he means "you're just a scientist while I'm a scientist and have the power to bend the laws of gravity to obscene levels"?
dusty basalt
he just calling mei basic i guess
urban sedge
LMAO
lament prawn
i think he means she shouldnt be on the battlefield
which she's not, in terms of lore
dusty basalt
oh yeah
urban sedge
It makes a little more sense to me
dusty basalt
i thought simga was just flexing
urban sedge
According to Sig's personality he doesn't really mind his powers
He ain't the flex type
(Would be fucking funny to see it as him calling Mei basic tho)
dusty basalt
basic ice bitch
so whats the deal with roadhog acting and looking like a pig
is it a radition thing
peak escarp
he likes pigs
urban sedge
Who doesn't? They're cute
dusty basalt
pigs can get sunburn
urban sedge
I need to read more about Hog. Does he have some breathing illness or smth?
dusty basalt
radition posioning i guess
urban sedge
Very fair
worthy rose
pigs in a blanket
jovial spade
How did he get so fat? LOL
tacit fossil
Do we actually know what happened to Mccree’s arm or is it just a mystery, it is implied that it was Bob in reunion but is there any conformation?
last inlet
Nope
We don't know a whole lot about the various replacement limbs people in the game have
Though I think we have a good idea about Torb's arm
sudden sequoia
It was confirmed by Michael Chu that bob didn’t take McCrees arm.
smoky niche
did echo replace it or was it an engineer
sudden sequoia
Who knows it’s the future so those could just be futuristic prosthetics that he got at a hospital for all we know
devout sable
what we know is that no one in Overwatch knows what happened to his arm
and that Bob wasn't the one to deprive him of it
it's just fodder for a story we will see in what, 5-10 years?
tacit fossil
Do you think we will ever see a post recall reunited overwatch
I can’t say I really do
But I hope we do
peak escarp
they've said they're almost done wrapping up the intro phase of the lore
dealing with the responses to recall and introducing the non Overwatch/Talon heroes
after that I expect we'll see more of New Overwatch working as a team
I think in the second phase of the story we'll see some of the free agents get brought in to one side or the other
Baptiste might take Mercy's place, Orisa or Lucio might get scouted into New Overwatch, Sanjay could finally induct Symmetra into Talon
Hanzo and/or Zenyatta could follow Genji to Overwatch
(at least, that's what I'd like to see happen)
devout sable
@peak escarp "almost done" probably means 2-4 years
peak escarp
maybe
devout sable
sorry if I'm sounding overly pessimistic as of late
it's just all taking so fucking long
dry portal
I mean there is speculations for another OW game right
Or atleast that’s what I’ve heard
peak escarp
it has always been slow
zenith prawn
So the fighter planes in Honor and Glory look exactly like what you would get if Sukhoi made a manned IAI Harop lol
Plus a little Belkan wizardry perhaps...
keen mango
worthy rose
I find Reaper the most interesting
I'd like more stories about him, even if he appears quite frequently in animated shorts and comics
devout sable
lorewise? it's hard to say
pliant sparrow
Sigma is probably my favourite so far