I mean we did see Reaper single handedly take out a Volskyaya mech
#lore-discussion
dry portal
dry portal
He was?
peak escarp
Recall happens before the Museum in the timeline
pliant sparrow
He gets hit
worthy rose
For an instant he was knocked by the mech
pliant sparrow
Right at the start and he stumbles when getting back up
worthy rose
And he was like bleeding wraith-like blood
But at the end he managed to destroy the mech
pliant sparrow
Does reaper heal when he reforms?
peak escarp
he seems to have trouble saying solid when he's injured
worthy rose
He can heal his body
lament prawn
yeah, recall is another case of that
worthy rose
He regenerated it after he was almost incinerated by Winston
pliant sparrow
Not quite incinerated
lament prawn
he left gibraltar still in the form of smoke
worthy rose
Yes, almost incinerated. He evaded at the last moment by going into wraith form
pliant sparrow
More his heart was pushed to the point it shouldn’t be beating and his brain was probably fried to the same degree as an electric chair
worthy rose
Actually I can't tell what exactly happened to him
pliant sparrow
Which is an insane amount of durability
worthy rose
If he was actually incinerated or just went into wraith form at the last moment
lament prawn
if he does have trouble staying solid while injured, maybe he didnt deliberately wraith in recall
lament prawn
you could say the same for tracer, she just recalls when she's about to die
you can kill both in theory with a shot to the head
worthy rose
Tracer's Recall is not infinite
lament prawn
enter ana and widowmaker to kill the opposition
pliant sparrow
Only ways I see of killing him are a direct shot to the head or temperature
lament prawn
well yeah, there's the case of the accelerator getting destroyed or running out of juice
worthy rose
Remember in the cinematic trailer where she had to hide and wait for a time after her device got damaged by Reaper?
Whereas Reaper can just teleport at will
pliant sparrow
Tracers reaction time is fast enough to dodge a bullet with recall
lament prawn
she doesnt even have to dodge
pliant sparrow
That makes her nearly impossible to hit
lament prawn
she can dodge with blink
pliant sparrow
Mind you it was close range against widows rifle
worthy rose
Also Reaper's ultimate was very strong in the trailer
It looked like he could just keep it up for an unlimited time
pliant sparrow
And even the slowest bullets move at something like 400 m/s
worthy rose
I'd say if all abilities are taken into account then Reaper is the most powerful
He loses if physical strength alone is considered
pliant sparrow
He’s up there
lament prawn
is sombra's emp canon?
brig and rein's shields go down, genji's cyborg body just drops, tracer goes back into the void, and all omnics just die if so
pliant sparrow
An Emp with a radius equal to or bigger than that already exists
However it wouldn’t make your legs forget how to run and would probably kill genji
worthy rose
And Reaper would also start malfunctioning
lament prawn
yeah i listed some of the possibilities if her emp actually does kill all electronics
pliant sparrow
Also omnics seem to be put to sleep by Emp
pliant sparrow
And reaper doesn’t malfunction because wraith isn’t electrically based
Emp will only work with electricity present
lament prawn
tbf the only connection between sombra and emp is that they both involve technology, EMP doesnt have much to do with hacking
pliant sparrow
Nope it’s genetic engineering from moira
dry portal
Yup
Moira was able to make his cells decay and regenerate at a hyper-accelerated rate
Which is how he wraith forms
pliant sparrow
And also how he seems to survive everything
worthy rose
That's interesting, I thought he had some cyborg parts like Genji
dry portal
So another thing on reaper is there a confirmed reason on where he gets his guns from or is it not explained
pliant sparrow
Not explained
dry portal
Like I was thinking maybe a pocket dimension
Or like maybe he’s storing them in himself
lament prawn
i initially thought reloading by tossing his guns away was in-game character flair, but it seems to be canon
pliant sparrow
Although it seems feasible that they disappear with him since his clothes do as well
lament prawn
if recall is anything to go by
worthy rose
Yeah, he does that in Recall
dry portal
Yeah he does it in Winstonand Tracer vs talon
He pulls them from somewhere
Idk where
pliant sparrow
Decaying then and storing them around him?
lament prawn
tracer wasnt wearing her slipstream pilot outfit while in chronal disassociation either, things like that are just not explained in a universe like this
and i dont mind
worthy rose
That doesn't explain what he did in Recall
Unless he decays infinite pairs of shotguns
pliant sparrow
Or maybe he creates them seeing as they also have an anti healing affect in canon
worthy rose
Yes, that's what I think too
pliant sparrow
It’s possible they dissapear after use
dry portal
I’m assuming when he drops them they come back to him and he reloads them inside himself?
Idk just a thought
pliant sparrow
They disappear
lament prawn
also, are tracer's pulse pistols and pulse bomb using any of the same tech as her accelerator? i dont know where i got that idea from, i guess its just the way they reload internally and have the same color
worthy rose
In Recall he throws away one pair of shotgun and pulls out another one from his robe
So it's not the same pair every time
lament prawn
do her guns recall the bullets?? the particle effect around the cylinder have the same swirling effect as her recall when she does it
pliant sparrow
Pulse bomb is winstons invention
Originally meant to be a shield
But he fucked up I think
dry portal
Probably doing the same thing Orissa does with her plasma gun
lament prawn
no, that's his own shield
pliant sparrow
Ah
dry portal
She’s absorbing it in the air to create ammo
peak escarp
her guns use "pulse" ammunition, which is energy based
lament prawn
it doesnt even have the same design - i read that same comment under the video
dry portal
Is it the same ammo Soldier uses?
pliant sparrow
Pretty sure pulse bomb is winstons creation though
lament prawn
perhaps, i doubt she made it herself, but what was shown in recall is his shield
it looks the same in-game
pliant sparrow
Pulse weapons seem fairly common now
lament prawn
huh, yeah, but soldier has to actually put a clip into his gun while tracer doesnt
peak escarp
energy is cheaper than bullets
pliant sparrow
True
dry portal
When Soldier got it he called it a “experimental heavy pulse rifle”
pliant sparrow
Tracers may generate energy and soldiers may be placing an energy store
devout sable
@peak escarp I still hate how Tracer's guns didn't do anything to Doomfist
like, if he had some kind of energy shield, show that
if the projectiles didn't hit him, show him blocking or dodging
peak escarp
it was a fast-paced scene
pliant sparrow
He may have been enraged by it
dry portal
He’s a very thick skinned man lmao
peak escarp
showing him activate a shield would have slowed things down
devout sable
not activate a shield
just show him in some sort of energy bubble that absorbs the projectiles
pliant sparrow
He definitely sounded like he was at least annoyed by the bullets when he lunged for tracer
peak escarp
just a visual effect on her shots could have sold it
devout sable
literally just show the projectiles being 'absorbed' by something
but instead we only get some kind of weird lightshow that doesn't threaten Doomfist one bit
pliant sparrow
Shurikens > energy pistols
dry portal
Also on a side note Doomfist looks like a fucking unit in his short
He looks in the high six foot
pliant sparrow
Well considering that he’s 7’1
dry portal
Damn
pliant sparrow
The man is a behemoth
peak escarp
if it came down to a contest of strength, Zarya would be the strongest natural human easily
worthy rose
She is the strongest woman in the world no?
peak escarp
yes
dry portal
I mean yeah she’s carrying a vertiberd turret as a weapon
peak escarp
a world record holder, iirc
peak escarp
she took it off an armored vehicle
dry portal
Ooooo
pliant sparrow
It’s heavy to the point that Russian soldiers can’t even get it off the ground
It’s a literal tank gun
peak escarp
yup
worthy rose
I wonder how she compares to those mechs that Reaper fought in Volskaya
peak escarp
they seem to have similar guns
pliant sparrow
Mechs might be more advanced
worthy rose
Yeah, they have similar weapons
lament prawn
it looks big enough to be the main barrel
pliant sparrow
Anyone want to explain how the hell Russia lose a war when they have guns that control gravity
peak escarp
its not really controlling gravity
dry portal
They have both the numbers and firepower
pliant sparrow
Still would be broken as hell in real life
peak escarp
it's just making a temporarily strong gravity well
pliant sparrow
Imagine being able to group up your enemies in an exact location
Without them having any escape
peak escarp
the advantage that the omnics has is numbers
pliant sparrow
Unless they’re some 50 year old edgelord
Omnics have the advantage of technology
They’re literally giving the Russians their tech
Which means they know exactly how to counter it
Ez win for the robotic brains
peak escarp
the omnic that gave Volskaya the tech isnt one of the ones she's fighting against
pliant sparrow
True
pliant sparrow
hmmm where has that happened before in history
peak escarp
only all the time
pliant sparrow
ah yes how could I have missed that
peak escarp
but it shows that omnics are not one monolithic entity
pliant sparrow
That’s good
peak escarp
they have factions, and they don't all agree
lament prawn
so we know that omnics feel physical pain akin to humans
but bob was blown to bits in reunion
pliant sparrow
Shambali monks are another example
peak escarp
some want the fighting to stop, and are willing to help humans
lament prawn
upgraded by ashe?
peak escarp
BOB was put back together
pliant sparrow
Omnics might have pain sensors
lament prawn
he was, but i mean they seem to be able to hurt if you just hit them hard enough
pliant sparrow
It might be possible to remove them for some models
e.g I doubt the omnic crisis bastion models felt pain
pliant sparrow
The head is probably where all the data that makes them them is stored
pliant sparrow
wait doom is taller than BOB?
pliant sparrow
Let me check
peak escarp
omnics seem to store their computers/processors in their head
Mondatta was killed by a headshot
lament prawn
the camera zoomed into his head
but there was no mark there, and the impact effect was on his chest
iirc
peak escarp
but other omnics survive having their heads removed and bodies destroyed
lament prawn
pliant sparrow
Seems around 7’
lament prawn
oh, huh
peak escarp
Alive didnt show a wound because of rating
pliant sparrow
Guess it might depend where in the head as well
pliant sparrow
Still may be considered too violent
peak escarp
a gaping head wound of circuits and wires is just as grisly
drifting shadow
just remember all cars in overwatch are wasting energy by floating all the time
pliant sparrow
You’d be surprised what trailers and shorts get flagged for nowadays
Hell the colour red can be reason enough to completely ban a video from a country
lament prawn
hanzo shot an omnic in the chest with an arrow, and an omnic was missing an arm with sparks spewing out in the teaser, but yeah a straight up close up would be more violent
they could have composited the shot differently in Alive, but that would take away the symbolic shot of his lights going out which i would not take away
peak escarp
yeah
pliant sparrow
That was a nice touch
peak escarp
having his face blown off would have ruined it
pliant sparrow
Yes
lament prawn
i dont mind at all that they didnt do that, im actually glad
i just thought it was a chest shot and that, like humans, could and would kill
if the omnic version of the heart was stored there
lament prawn
true
peak escarp
it's hard to tell what's actual omnic rules, and what's done for comedy (like BOB sweating oil or being just a head)
lament prawn
i shouldnt have brought it up in the first place - it wasnt even bothering me, i really really dont mind the stuff that goes unexplained in a more pixar-ish universe
pliant sparrow
Theory, BOB has upgraded himself so extensively that he has robotic pores and now sweats oil
lament prawn
as long as the good characters and good story are there
(and the cinematography and animation)
peak escarp
as long as things have internal logic and don't contradict themselves, I'm willing to accept a lot without needing an explanation
pliant sparrow
How many characters have died since or during the same time period as recall?
pliant sparrow
Yeah
peak escarp
just Mondatta and Vialli
peak escarp
lots of mooks though
worthy rose
Reaper killed many former Overwatch agents in that time period
peak escarp
and that Suit from Junkrat's comic
pliant sparrow
Although I suppose that the scourge counts if it’s any time
dry portal
Wait who’s Vialli?
worthy rose
Isn't Vialli the guy from Masquerade?
Who rebelled against Talon and was put down by Reaper and Doomfist?
pliant sparrow
Was it?
peak escarp
Vialli was killed in Masquerade
dry portal
Wait is he the guy from that temporary blackwatch mode
pliant sparrow
Ah
lament prawn
short out at any time now? or has the august time frame past and now its unlikely?
peak escarp
Antonio was killed 8 years ago
pliant sparrow
So gru’s last name is?
peak escarp
pliant sparrow
Ah ok
peak escarp
his real last name us unknown
peak escarp
no
dry portal
Wait where’s that document from
peak escarp
dry portal
Ah thanks
worthy rose
As far as completed assassinations go
We have Reaper and Doomfist killing Vialli and his faction
And Reaper killing former Overwatch agents
Also they killed some members of Doomfist's prison no?
pliant sparrow
Maybe
How did doomfist punch himself out of jail?
Or was that just for the trailer
peak escarp
Agent ||McCree|| also secured a position ||as a waiter in a nearby restaurant.||
pliant sparrow
Wait what?
dry portal
Wait was that in his Blackwatch days
pliant sparrow
Ahh
peak escarp
it's from the memo in the link
I'm filling in the blanks
Doomfist did punch his way out of jail - he has a cybernetic arm
pliant sparrow
Why the fu... who gave him the cybernetic arm?
pliant sparrow
As in why would they give one of the most dangerous men in the world a cybernetic arm that allows him to punch through concrete
peak escarp
it was built into his body
dry portal
So did he like fight in the crisis?
pliant sparrow
Yeah
peak escarp
removing it would require surgery and probably be a violation of prisoners rights
worthy rose
Yes, it seems like they should have just taken out the battery or something.
peak escarp
he was a teen during the crisis
peak escarp
Doomfist is 45, the crisis was 30-25 years ago
worthy rose
You could definitely make an argument for a robotic arm being a security risk
dry portal
So did he lose it just from one attacking him
worthy rose
Future medicine.
pliant sparrow
Eh
peak escarp
But when he lost his right arm in the aftermath of the Omnic Crisis, it seemed his martial arts career was finished before he had reached his prime. His company's cybernetic prosthetics allowed him to recover from his injuries, even making him stronger, but these enhancements rendered him ineligible for competition.
dry portal
Damn
pliant sparrow
That must have crushed him
worthy rose
In the aftermath?
peak escarp
Doomfist looks normal for his age
pliant sparrow
Most people his age aren’t behemoths that are trained extensively in most marital arts though
That might have something to do with it
peak escarp
compare him to Terry Crews, everyone's favourite DF stand in
also a muscular dude who is fit
pliant sparrow
True
peak escarp
and Terry is 6 years older than DF
peak escarp
I had to look it up to be sure
peak escarp
45 isn't as old as most people think
pliant sparrow
True
peak escarp
neither is 37 or 39
pliant sparrow
But you don’t normally expect a 45 year old to be able to fight like he can
Most of the time they stop it by the time they’re mid 30s
peak escarp
you do if he's a trained fighter
pliant sparrow
Hmm
I’m just surprised that he’s 45 really, I expected him to be late 30s like Ashe
peak escarp
the one that surprised me was Zarya
pliant sparrow
What’s her age?
peak escarp
I thought she'd be older
pliant sparrow
Haven’t really checked hero ages
peak escarp
28
pliant sparrow
That’s surprising
She stopped lifting competitively before her prime?
Or during it
peak escarp
I'm not sure what age is prime for weightlifting
peak escarp
so Zarya's age
pliant sparrow
Seems to depend when they start training to lift
pliant sparrow
Lmao what
pliant sparrow
Damn 20 and he’s already figured out the meaning for existence
Going strong zenyatta
peak escarp
he was built post-crisis
dry portal
Zenyatta is on the anti-doomer vibe
pliant sparrow
Makes sense
I’d be interested in seeing a voice line with zen expressing fear for once
See what really scares him
peak escarp
I want to know what Zen's original purpose was
dry portal
Glitches probably
peak escarp
my bet is he was a salesbot
dry portal
I assume that’s a sentient bots worst fear
lament prawn
they probably all see sombra as the devil then
peak escarp
I also want to know his original designation
he wasn't given the name Zenyatta off the factory floor
even Snowball is SB-9
dry portal
I’m very interested in Zenyattas Buddhist designed tech
His ball chain seems to be able to do a lot of things
He can fire balls of energy, heal, and do some weird corruption shit
peak escarp
we dont know how much of what he can do is canon
Jeff said some things are just for gameplay, specifically answering a question about Zenyatta's abilities
but he didnt elaborate
dry portal
Damn
peak escarp
but there is an interaction between Zen and Mercy where she talks about his healing, so there is something to it
dry portal
So do you think Zenyatta built that tech himself or
Because if so he’s pretty intelligent
peak escarp
I think he's just using the Shambali's tools
dry portal
Whos Shimbali
peak escarp
the monks
wispy drift
Yea
zenith spindle
Who else wants a zen animated short
supple bear
zen or lucio
wispy drift
I kinda want a symetra short
tidal ferry
I want a zen short. We really don't know alot about him. And I do play a decent amount of zen sooo
limpid agate
Im just waiting for the monkey paw
"I want a D.Va short"
And then we get Shooting Star
tidal ferry
Exactly
restive flower
If they don't show a short soon, they better double up on the shorts during BlizzCon
dry portal
So I’ve always wondered what Sigma’s hyperspheres are made of
I always imagine they’re some type of triangular nanobots since Sigma seems to be able to control them freely in his idles. He also reminds me a lot of Dr Callahan from Big Hero 6 who can control an army of nanobots with a device
limpid agate
As far as we know
There is no such thing as Nanobots in Overwatch
People keep saying nanobots to everything. Mercy, Reaper, Sigma.
We have seen him deconstruct the hyperspheres. They look physical, not robotic.
And that makes more sense for Sigma
He's an astrophysicist
Not a robotics engineer
No, that's Torbjorn
And he sure as hell doesn't use nanobots
dry portal
So he creates them?
Also so what kind of technology are the dragon tattoos then
Are those like implants
limpid agate
What kind of technology is Symmetra's gun?
Or Zarya's barriers?
Or Lucio's music?
dry portal
Isn’t Lucios music soundwave tech made by Vizzcorp
limpid agate
Vishkar.
dry portal
Ah
limpid agate
Its an application of hard light.
As is Symmetra's gun
Its speculated barriers are also an application of hard light.
Its also speculated that the dragons are too
Hard Light is the Overwatch handwave tech.
Not Nanobots
If something seems transparent and comes out of nowhere, its probably hard light
dry portal
Hmmmm
So why do the dragons seem to come out of there tattoos
They don’t seem to come from the arrow or bow
limpid agate
Same reason why Symmetra's hard light comes out of her hand
Or Lucio's comes out of his roller blades
Or Zarya's speculated hard light comes out of those pink holes all over her armor.
dry portal
So there just like technological tattoos?
limpid agate
Probs
But that's just speculation
It fits more than all the "magic" or "nanomachines" crap people like to say based on nothing
dry portal
Ye magic seems a bit far fetched
supple bear
do we have a pinpointed age for Soldier: 76?
peak escarp
he's in his late 50s
supple bear
but we don't know the exact age, correct?
peak escarp
nope
in 2016 Chu said he was 1 year younger than Reyes, but the ages he gave at the time turned out to be incorrect
so we dont know if that still stands
supple bear
how do we know that he was incorrect?
peak escarp
because he was talking about the Ana group photo
the photo was from 20 years ago, Reyes was 35, Jack was 34
but Reyes is 58 now, not 55
supple bear
can we assume that the photo was from approx 20 years ago, or do we know for a fact that it was from 20 years ago
peak escarp
we dont have video of that panel, or a transcript, just a summary
so we dont know if "20 years" was exact or rounded
but it's likely similar to the "60 years from now" date of Recall
and isnt an exact number
limpid agate
Who knows
supple bear
ic
limpid agate
Maybe the Omnic Crisis was 35-29 years ago
And Overwatch swooped in 30 years ago
And shut it down in 2
Much like D-Day to the end of WW2.
peak escarp
I choose to believe that Jack is a year younger than Reyes
limpid agate
The entire 35-25 years ago for an unknown duration
Is all we know about when the war was
supple bear
so 57 years old
peak escarp
yes
that would make him one of the youngest original strike team members
tied with Torbjorn
peak escarp
Liao is a big fat question mark
they may have changed their mind about Liao and retconned her out
she might still exist but be dead
who knows
supple bear
how do we knows its a she?
supple bear
fair
peak escarp
also I would be very disappointed if Ana is the only female founding member
supple bear
also do omnics have nationalities?
i noticed that on the gamepedia pages, bastion, orisa, and zen don't have nationalities
peak escarp
they probably dont care about it like humans do
maybe their sense of kinship is based on their model or production run, or what omnium they were made in
supple bear
so orisa, for example, wouldn't be considered a citizen of numbani?
peak escarp
she lives there
she was created there
Numbani sees omnics as equals, so she would have citizenship
supple bear
okay, but could you say the same for bastion and zen?
peak escarp
Zen probably isnt from Nepal
he wouldn't consider himself Nepalese
same with Bastion being German
humans care a lot about nationality/ethnicity/race, because it helps categorize others
humans already categorize omnics as omnics, so they dont need anything else
supple bear
so basically omnics are considered both a race and a nationality?
peak escarp
I guess
I'm just theorizing
they haven't really gone into detail on the subject yet
last inlet
I'm guessing the people who accept them at least see them as sentient, but don't think too hard about them as a human race
While the people who are hostile towards them have a hard time seeing them as human, possibly due to what happened during the war
Or just because they're robots
Idk
peak escarp
like I said, maybe omnics care more about model ("a Bastion?! run!")
last inlet
Yeah, I guess if we're gonna, uh, anthropomorphize them further, that'd be the closest thing they have to races
If they care about nationality, then that's easy. It's just where you live
supple bear
is pharah considered half egyptian, half canadian or half egyptian, half native american
or in other words, what is her father considered?
peak escarp
her father is First Nations
last inlet
I forget the Tumblr post of the girl who was proud to see Pharaoh wearing skins based of her people
Might have had the name there
peak escarp
based on the art style of her Thunderbird skins
last inlet
So I guess she'd be considered both?
But it'd make more sense to split by ethnicity and nationality. Kinda.
peak escarp
I live in that area, so I'm pretty familiar with the style
I wonder if we'll ever get more info on Sam
last inlet
It'd be nice, but I figure that'd have to come with more for Pharah specifically
peak escarp
yeah
last inlet
I don't know that stories with Ana would put much importance on him
peak escarp
maybe if we got to see the original team meeting
or see the rest of the before Overwatch
supple bear
do we know if pharah can speak arabic?
like obviously she doesn't do it in game, but do we have any proof that she may be able to?
supple bear
also why does she take her mothers last name and not her fathers
peak escarp
her mother was a hero and the 2ic of Overwatch
and she idolized her mother
Pharah chose to take her mother's name
supple bear
but from birth she would've had her fathers surname right?
and then eventually decide to change it
supple bear
we don't even know sams last name do we?
peak escarp
nope
ivory briar
People call dva baby dva when she’s out of mech but in the lore dva is 17 so she’s young adult dva
peak escarp
she's 19
worthy rose
Do we know if Reaper ages? Is he effectively immortal?
fair summit
Lcaro very very good point
wild lark
hes 58 i guess
dry portal
Yeah he is
But his cells seem to be able to infinitely regenerate aslong as he doesn’t take a substantial amount of damage
So if he doesn’t get killed he should never die
fast tendon
so zenyatta lore when?
dry portal
Hopefully soon
We have bits and pieces but not a full explanation
I’d be fine if he even showed up in someone elses short like Mcree or Tracer
spiral yarrow
Guys i think i fixed the issue, hanzos second dragon is from his father
devout sable
... what issue
lament prawn
i think they meant mystery
the real reason he has two dragons is because they wanted a consistent hitbox for his ultimate lol
but idk if they implemented a lore reason for it
dry portal
I just assumed he had an extra tattoo
But for maybe a story reason both Genji and Hanzo originally had 2 dragons but then once Hanzo “killed him” he lost a dragon just like the Chinese pictorials showed of Genji’s dragon dying so now Genji only has 1
supple bear
is roadhog australian or a new zealander?
peak escarp
there's strong hints that he might be Maori
supple bear
i've always thought he was australian, but he has a skin called kiwi so now im confused...
frosty shell
He does live in AU
peak escarp
there are Maori living in Australia
frosty shell
and has for many years
supple bear
are you referencing the toa and islander skins?
frosty shell
I wonder if he moved to AU in order to make money from solar farming?
peak escarp
the Toa/Islander skins
plus his teacup has a NZ pattern on it
and he has voice lines referencing NZ culture
supple bear
the wops wops one?
peak escarp
and "Beached as"
frosty shell
And the word "mako" originated from NZ
peak escarp
this is a Maori design
"mako" is Maori for shark
the same pattern appears on the bedspread in Roadhog's house
supple bear
So we can assume that he's from new zealand, but lives in Australia
frosty shell
I asked this before: did Jeff pronounce Mauga as "Maung-a," which seems to be how it should be pronounced in Samoan
supple bear
i just say "maw-ga"
last inlet
If he ends up with voice lines in the language, the voice actor might know how it's supposed to be pronounced and they'll jot it down.
Then again, there was still confusion with Baptiste
peak escarp
pronunciation doesn't matter that much
dry portal
So wait do we know who that person was that McCree saved from Ashe
lament prawn
her general conecpt design was there since before the game launched
lore wise, i dont think we know much
we dont know why she's shut down and put into storage all this time
but we can assume she knows the core overwatch members and was a member herself since she knew what mcree meant when he said "we're getting the band back together"
dry portal
Neat
I hope we see more of the earlier members of overwatch that we see on the shorts and trailers
Such as Ana
lament prawn
we do have a good amount of lore on her
but it would be nice to see an ana short at some point
possibly in her captain amari days, but that would take us into the past and not the future
dry portal
Ye I mean I’d like them to be implemented into the game such as that Liao guy
Or that one guy who’s crouching in that black and white OW photo
lament prawn
all i want now is a mercy short and more on echo
pliant sparrow
All I want now is a second game focused on story
dry portal
I’d be ok with that tbh
A second game about the sci-fi work of overwatch
OW’s lore is one of my favorites in video games
pliant sparrow
Same
lament prawn
i cant wait
lament prawn
thats very likely at this point, but it could be more
they want overwatch to be its own big franchise branching out into multiple mediums
dry portal
That sounds fucking amazing
lament prawn
i really hope they keep at it, i dont want overwatch to die whenever they hit an amount of heroes they're happy with
dry portal
Same I hope we can keep getting more lore and stuff
supple bear
wait is this that rumored overwatch 2 game
dry portal
Especially a story mode or movie/tv show
It could flesh out more lore
And they did it with WOW
supple bear
i heard that was going to be more like an expansion than a sequel
lament prawn
the current game engine cant handle anything more complex than what they're doing with the archives events, so a new game is likely
but i dont mind, i want a game engine dedicated to that
to allow for more interesting missions
supple bear
a story mode would be great
pliant sparrow
Something like an animated series is what I would love to see
dry portal
Same
pliant sparrow
I doubt it’ll happen unless Overwatch gets a story mode
Or the lore is all caught up
peak escarp
WoW is a spinoff
dry portal
The movie?
peak escarp
World of Warcraft is a spinoff of the Warcraft franchise
Overwatch is the start of a franchise, and will get sequels and spinoffs
just like Warcraft and StarCraft
peak escarp
the Blizzard president has said a few times that they're looking at expanding the Overwatch franchise soon
so new games set in the Overwatch universe shouldn't ba a surprise
I'd be happy with any kind of game, because even if I don't play it, it's still an opportunity for them to expand the lore
peak escarp
Brack
To accomplish this, Brack said that as well as continuing "to add new heroes and new maps and new experiences" over the upcoming 2019/2020 financial period, the team is currently "working on the existing game as well as […] focusing on the other work that they have".
"other work" could be new games
but more importantly
“Overwatch is a huge tentpole franchise for Blizzard and we’re continuing to dedicate the resources and the attention, so that we can continue to grow the community and the franchise over time.”
it's hard to call just one game a franchise
dry portal
I’m excited
peak escarp
I don't care what anyone says, I'd even love a mobile game
pliant sparrow
Eh not if it’s some pay to win bs but a mobile game could work
worthy rose
I'd say maybe a game with the structure of Warcraft III would work well
zenith prawn
I kinda hope we get the same heroes plus more in the next game.
worthy rose
So you could have a story campaign for Talon, Overwatch, maybe Vishkar, and other factions in the world
zenith prawn
It's kinda alienating to have a new game in an established franchise with totally unfamiliar characters.
The other thing is that I want the loitering munitions ana uses in the ana comic.
limpid agate
The what
lament prawn
i'd be happy with literally anything overwatch, but i'd prefer something that exists within a digital 3d world (anything from a mobile game to the rumored PvE story game to a cinematic series/film) than comics or short stories, although i know none of those would disappoint either
zenith prawn
loitering munition. It's a whitewashed term for suicide drone or cruise missile with extra steps.
page 7
last panel
It would make a nice ult.
There are more shown on page 4 first panel.
limpid agate
For a different hero
zenith prawn
Yeah.
limpid agate
new game in an established franchise
Its more likely an expansion or spinoff
Than a sequel
zenith prawn
I suppose.
limpid agate
Right now the most likely result in a PvE spinoff, like Rainbow Six Quarantine
worthy rose
I'd love if there were some missions were you could change the course of events
Like maybe you could play as Reaper and stop the recall
zenith prawn
For a game which is noncannon in its own universe that makes a lot of sense.
worthy rose
These could be secret missions for a canon game
In general I think it'd be cool to actually play in the animated shorts
Like I don't know play as Sombra and infiltrate Volskaya
worthy rose
Warcraft III also had some secret missions that weren't canon
I could see Blizzard doing something like that again
zenith prawn
I still want Tracer's hoverbike
dry portal
Damn you deleted like 3 messages
zenith prawn
I felt it was irrelevant and I sent them too quickly.
pearl blade
urban sedge
Maura 
zinc vector
Echp
urban sedge
Or however you spell it
zinc vector
Echo
peak escarp
Echo is most likely
they had to start over on Mauga, so I doubt they'd have him ready by November
zinc vector
@peak escarp didn't we already talk about this
urban sedge
Wasn't aware of that
peak escarp
Sigma was going to be Mauga, but they decided it didn't match his personality
so they made Sigma instead
they do still want to make Mauga though
urban sedge
I am very thankful
zinc vector
BlizzCon is a good place to announce it
peak escarp
last year at Blizzcon Jeff said "Echo needs more time"
I think a year is enough time
zinc vector
Ya
urban sedge
We do need more omnics
zinc vector
Exactly @peak escarp did they talk about Mauga?
peak escarp
it was on the Sigma stream with seagull
zinc vector
Cool
supple bear
i hope we get junker queen soon
zinc vector
Do you think Overwatch will re form
zinc vector
That would be a cool addition maybe like a team with Winston tracer and maybe soldier
Oh yeah and torb and brig
And ana
peak escarp
new Overwatch is Winston, Tracer, Reinhardt, Brigitte, Torbjorn, Bastion, Genji
Soldier and Ana haven't gone back
supple bear
what are soldier and ana doing?
i feel like it was at the end of the bastet comic?
peak escarp
they are teaming up and going to visit "old friends"
zinc vector
Who do you think is gonna be the next talon hero
peak escarp
I think they're going to join Winston, but everyone else seems convinced they're going to go see Mercy (even though Jack said "No Angela")
Mauga will probably be the next Talon hero
supple bear
how would you guys rank the other MEKA members from most likely to be a hero to least likely
peak escarp
I don't think any of them are likely to become heroes any time soon
Overlord is the only one that really has the potential for interesting gameplay
supple bear
thats the flying mech right
peak escarp
the one with drones
zinc vector
Quick question is basp still part of talon
supple bear
bap?
urban sedge
No
supple bear
he left them
peak escarp
Baptiste left Talon 4 years ago
peak escarp
she was on a military transport train, probably being relocated after Soldier's raids on former Overwatch bases
supple bear
is grand mesa the only one we know he raided
peak escarp
This event comes after a week during which multiple former Overwatch bases were targeted. In each case, the intruder stole experimental weaponry and other military equipment from the facilities. Guerra has confirmed that similar items were taken from Watchpoint: Grand Mesa, including a prototype for a heavy pulse rifle.
Grand Mesa is the only one named, but there are others
supple bear
what role do you guys think sanjay would enter the game as?
peak escarp
support or damage
supple bear
assuming blizz has plans for him
peak escarp
probably damage
supple bear
so those sanjay tank concepts are probs shot down now right?
since we have sigma, and probs mauga soon
urban sedge
There are so many DPS compared to heals and tanks...
peak escarp
it's a shooter game
urban sedge
Everyone shoots. It's a team game
peak escarp
there's only so many ways you can heal or block damage
there's also more Damage than the other two roles because it used to be Offense and Defense
it's two roles combined
supple bear
offense and defense was kinda stupid tho...
peak escarp
yes
urban sedge
Oh yeah I remember that
peak escarp
but Blizzard wants it to have roles, so here we are
they could make things a bit better by having hybrid heroes, who can be picked in either role
urban sedge
Roles are a spectrum anyway. Everyone says Mei is the third tank, Moira is dps and what not
limpid agate
Moira is not dps
urban sedge
But that ain't gonna happen
limpid agate
She has the worst dps in the game
Mei is meta because she is the third tank
But that's gameplay
urban sedge
I'm telling what everyone says
limpid agate
The difference is
Pros dont play Moira like a dps
Pros play Mei as the third tank
Which is why she's meta
But that's gameplay
peak escarp
the next three heroes will probably be
Echo at Blizzcon
Sojourn or Mauga in March
the other of those two in July
supple bear
junker queen?
supple bear
who said that?
limpid agate
Mauga is too soon
They just recently scrapped him for Sigma
He's gonna take longer than 2 heroes
peak escarp
depends if they immediately started redesigning him when he got scrapped
limpid agate
Not really
peak escarp
or if they're still designing him
limpid agate
Because the thing is
They would have been already working on the next two heroes
By the time they got to the stage in development where they moved to Sigma
My predictions for heroes 32+:
32: Echo
33/34: Sojourn
35-38: Mauga and Junkerqueen
supple bear
do you guys think we'll ever get more than 1 hero at once?
supple bear
oh...
peak escarp
too hard to balance more than one at a time
supple bear
i was hoping maybe like a reveal of both of the remaining Deadlock founders
speaking of which, i wonder if they're even alive
limpid agate
They can still reveal both
Just not make both playable
Like Echo/Ashe
Revealed together
But only 1 was added
And the other was confirmed
supple bear
in reunion, if ashe was going to carry out a mission as big as blowing up a military freight train, i feel like the other 2 should've been there
im thinking they're either dead or in custody
peak escarp
they could have been elsewhere
the train was unmanned, they probably didn't see it as a difficult job
urban sedge
I'd rather have one hero at a time anyway. Since they said they'd stop at what, 40 heroes?
I want it to last as long as possible
peak escarp
they didn't say how many heroes they would stop at
urban sedge
Hmm someone told me it'd be around that number
peak escarp
people have been throwing around a lot of numbers but I haven't seen anything official
limpid agate
They never said they would stop
supple bear
why would they stop at a certain number
limpid agate
They never said they would go on forever either
You might be thinkin of Rainbow 6
Which said their goal is 100 operators
supple bear
wouldn't they just go until the games dead
limpid agate
Which would be 40 seasons
urban sedge
Not sure if there is a point where too many heroes becomes impossible for the game to be balanced or something
Then again I think I'm saying a lot of bullshit
supple bear
if anything, more heroes would make it easier to balance wouldn't it?
the more heroes you have, the less synergies become too OP
peak escarp
we have about 30 heroes, but look at the pros
urban sedge
Hmmmmm
peak escarp
they all use the same 8-9 heroes
urban sedge
idd
limpid agate
Last season was better for OWL usage
This season... Its still only 2 mandatory heroes
There's at least 8 in rotation. Maybe more.
But that's gameplay
peak escarp
if all the heroes were balanced, we'd see more variety
but again, that's gameplay
from a lore perspective, more heroes means more lore
so I don't want them to ever stop adding heroes
urban sedge
I def don't want that either
frosty shell
40 was the number of hero concepts they made
paper gazelle
I thought I heard that in the long term the game is going to have a max of 50 heroes?
worthy rose
where'd you hear that
dull sky
Meme review 👏👏
worthy rose
Where's the Lucia lore
peak escarp
who?
peak escarp
that would be weird
peak escarp
that's not how it works
fringe blade
When should the short be released again
prisma wren
patent junco
Awwwwwwww
worthy rose
Does Reaper ever use that grenade attack after the cinematic trailer?
lament prawn
i dont think so
worthy rose
he does not in game and as far as I'm aware, not in the comics either
lament prawn
might as well replace his shadowstep with that, i hear that ability is used less than his ultimate on average
urban sedge
^
dry portal
So is Deadeye like some kind of aiming tech like Soldiers visor or is McCree just rly accurate
frosty shell
there's nothing really indicating anything else
And we'd've had no way to guess Soldier was gay unless we realized that picture in Reflections was of him and his boyfriend
though it's possible changing "chicks dig scars" to "scars look good" was done for that reason
peak escarp
McCree just has really good aim
his showdown with Ashe in Reunion is an example of that
teal meadow
was baptiste in talon before ow got disbanded or not? i can't locate when baptiste left talon in the main timeline
dry portal
Baptiste felt kinda thrown into the story with not much else. But I guess he could be used to show the civilians in the aftermath of the crisis
teal meadow
so he was with talon when overwatch was a thing?
peak escarp
yes
devout sable
@zinc vector my bet's on Genji being bi
lavish laurel
Why does Baptiste have bottom energy?
devout sable
what
lavish laurel
Also, why would Genji be bi?
devout sable
I dunno, it seems fitting
and a flashback to his playboy days could be a good way of showing him with female and male partners alike
pliant sparrow
Doesn’t seem unreasonable
wheat torrent
cerulean flame
I kinda want a mini br for ow
peak escarp
isn't that what Deathmatch is?
frosty totem
sombra is bi
worthy rose
ohmy
limpid agate
@frosty totem Source
dusty basalt
someone has a fan theory
urban sedge
?
supple bear
do we know how long mei and the rest of the ecopoint crew were supposed to be in cryostasis?
dusty basalt
i thought it was 6months
peak escarp
it wasn't really said
cobalt marlin
Is there really any Sombra lore
cobalt marlin
Any new*
supple bear
i don't think so
peak escarp
we learned that Sombra has a secret app that gives Baptiste a direct line to her
supple bear
oh yeah
im dumb
peak escarp
I wonder who else has access to that app
last inlet
She doesn't seem to have very many close friends, but probably some people from Dorado
timid eagle
She probably still has connections to the Los Muertos gang, as she was a former member before flying solo.
dry portal
Wait Baptiste has ties to Sombra?
peak escarp
they are friends
twilit vigil
@peak escarp hey again could you shed some light upon Torb and his family please, its lsome of the lore idk yet thanks if so.
peak escarp
what about them?
twilit vigil
whos involved with him i only know ties between him and reinhardt and hear people talking about him and brig
peak escarp
Torbjorn's wife is Ingrid, Brigitte is his youngest daughter, and he has a bunch of grandkids from his other kids
Reinhardt is Torb's best friend
twilit vigil
yeah cheers the 2nd part i knew the 1st is new how many kids did he have?
twilit vigil
yeah thanks a lot, also any comics and ties i could find with pharas problems with her mother?
peak escarp
it isnt mentioned much
The letter in Ana's origin trailer is a letter she actually sent to Pharah
Pharah hasn't responded yet
twilit vigil
oh okay i just picked up on this also by soldiers starting conversation with phara
you probably have heard it
peak escarp
not much
twilit vigil
mmm didnt think so
zenith prawn
Jeff specifically said the “International Space Station” I think in one of the videos. Indicating that somehow it still exists in the mid-far future.
That’s a miracle if I’ve ever heard of one.
peak escarp
his bio says "an international space station", without capitalizing
not specifically the ISS
zenith prawn
Oh.
peak escarp
Believing that he was close to achieving his goal, he performed his most important experiment on an international space station.
zenith prawn
Okay. Thanks.
dry portal
I hope we see more of Sigma in other shorts or maybe his own
His powers seem rly strong and not fully known
zenith prawn
Honestly I just wanna see more space stuff.
twilit vigil
Sigmas so new to me that im bad at him or maybe im not used to his play style
dry portal
I rly like his lore
peak escarp
I think the space station he did his experiment on was the one seen in hologram form on Lijiang Tower Control Center
dry portal
He seems to be one of the strongest hero’s in canon
Ingame itself his status is debatable
twilit vigil
yeah there where a lot of ties to that @peak escarp
zenith prawn
I’m very interested in space, aircraft, and weapons systems so I would love to see more lore in that regard.
twilit vigil
You play rainbow Doctor?
peak escarp
nope
twilit vigil
okay sorry just the name
graceful quail
do you all thinks sombra is gonna become good?
limpid agate
No
dry portal
Probably not
Don’t know why she’d black mail the Russian prime minister if she was gonna become good
supple bear
volskaya isn't the prime minister of russia
dry portal
Oh I thought she was
supple bear
isnt she just ceo of volskaya industries
peak escarp
she's just the president of Volskaya Industries
zenith prawn
Does volskaya make ammo by any chance?
peak escarp
they just make mechs, as far as I know
zenith prawn
Darn. VolskayAmmo would make a nice pun on TulAmmo
zenith prawn
Does the word “ammo” exist in Russian though?
If I had to guess, that brandname is for US exports.
iron plume
ammo is not a brand name
but no, it’s a different word in russian
there’s a word that has the same etymology as and similar sound to “ammunition” but it means equipment
zenith prawn
No I mean TulAmmo. My guess is that it’s a brand used by Tula Arsenal for US exports.
peak escarp
TulAmmo?
limpid agate
Ok cool
iron plume
It seems to be an export specific thing then yes
“VolskayAmmo” isn’t really close enough for the reference to make sense
zenith prawn
@peak escarp It’s a brand of cheap Russian made steel-cased ammo. I was thinking it would be interesting if Volskaya industries made more than just mechs and turned out ammo too.