Itll be Echo for sure
#lore-discussion
limpid agate
iron plume
¯_(ツ)_/¯
peak escarp
Echo is the safe bet
north flame
Well, kind of. I have a feeling it's somewhat circular/oval like since the one bullet flew through the skylight
limpid agate
I made some predictions when we learned of Sigma
peak escarp
I predict Sojourn for the spring hero so she can be used in Archives
limpid agate
Gonna change them now with new Mauga info
north flame
So it would be very difficult to ricochet stuff back at yourself unless you hit it square
limpid agate
32 - Echo
33 or 34 - Sojorun
Archives 2020 NOT YET A HERO - Predator first look and name
35-37 - Mauga and Junkerqueen
north flame
You could do some interesting stuff with junkrat grenades if you do a ricochet shield and not count it as the wall hit
Considering what Jeff said about wanting to add more barrier tanks, I hope JQ if she is a tank doesn't get a massive shield and is intended to be more personal/duo oriented
limpid agate
Mauga is a barrier tank
north flame
I'm ok with him
peak escarp
despite what the forums/reddit think, I don't think they're going to stop releasing damage heroes entirely until the number of support and tanks are equal to damage
north flame
But JQ was a mech fight champ
peak escarp
some of the heroes they have planned are obviously damage heroes
north flame
We're going to see more DPS introduced, and as much as that pains me to say, that's the reality
limpid agate
Im thinking Sojourn is gonna be damage
Just my first impression from her character
She doesn't sound like a support
peak escarp
I think a ratio of 1:2:1 will be what they're going for
limpid agate
With the exception of the Talon heroes, all the supports have a very supportive personality
north flame
I agree jewv
peak escarp
since they almost have that now and it would be relatively easy to maintain
north flame
If she is a support, she'll be a more commanding bap imo
peak escarp
I think Echo could be support or damage, but I'd like damage just to subvert expectations
north flame
Design heavily implies support though. I'd like to see a pseudo from her kinda like zen
north flame
Smooth, clean, crisp
limpid agate
Echo will probably be a support
north flame
Tanks are typically clunky imo and DPS are raggedy
peak escarp
a lot of people think her design matches Symmetra's turrets
limpid agate
Jeff said on stream last Blizzcon
That he wants characters to look like the role they are supposed to be
He said it in response to chat spamming that she was a support and looking pleased
peak escarp
DPS are raggedy
north flame
Sym obviously is intended to be a utility character compared to the other dps
limpid agate
She was a support at launch
peak escarp
I wasn't comparing her to Symm, I was comparing her to Symm's turrets
north flame
But a lot of the DPS are raggedy either in story or design
peak escarp
which do damage and always have
limpid agate
And Sym's turrets are part of Sym's character
peak escarp
I wouldn't call Tracer raggedy
limpid agate
They have the same visual design as her chair
peak escarp
or Widowmaker
north flame
What's another word that encompasses a large part of the dps class? Skittish/high strung ig
Not all of them are raggedy, but as a group they are for the most part
peak escarp
tough
untold cradle
I mean generally what indicates DPS for me in this game is generally regular body frames, but they usually have bulk or some sort of visual indicators that tells you "they probably fight"
something bulky about them
peak escarp
tough is a good word, although Mei is an outlier
iron plume
that's a bit of a stretch either way
untold cradle
Supports generally have a really "clean" or thin look to them.
iron plume
almost all of the roster has a "they probably fight"
north flame
Definitely not
limpid agate
Mei/Zen/Lucio come to mind as characters that don't fit that
iron plume
baptiste, ana, mercy, brig all have combat looks
north flame
Mercy does not look that combat oriented imo
untold cradle
I'd argue "eh" with Mercy looking combat ready, but the rest are all right
and it makes sense too
because that's what they're design is supposed to tell you
iron plume
...yes
which means healers still have combat as part of their design
so the whole thing about dps having that is a bit moot
untold cradle
it's hard to describe for DPS
really.
the category is so broad and filled with completely different characters with very disticint visual designs that it really doesn't make sense to pin them to one specific descriptor
with Tanks it's easier because they're either really big or bulky due to game design.
and you can get the majority of the supports down easier because they generally have weaker physical attributes compared to DPS or Tanks
to indicate that they're "frail"
iron plume
what supports are frail
untold cradle
but you obv have one's like Brigitte or Baptiste that have more physical components going on
Zen, Mercy
iron plume
questionable
untold cradle
Zen literally doesn't wear any clothes besides pants and some sandals, and even then his robotic frame is fairly thin compared to the likes of Bastion or Orisa.
and Mercy doesn't have any super strong indicators that she can fight really outside of the staff (but even then her design of being an angel is a super strong indicator that she helps or assists people)
Moira is very slender and barely shows much resistive features at all (and if you want to go a step further her design still shows the yellow that is commonly associated with healing in OW)
Lucio doesn't really look like he can really do "damage" (his gun is made to look like a speaker, and outside of his leg "armor", he doesn't really have any strong bulkiness to him)
In contrast, characters like Soldier are designed with this sense of bulk. He's carrying several different devices and potential weapons on him, has a visor that covers his face which exudes a sense of danger or mystery to him, and he's obv carrying a gun.
iron plume
you're trying to fit the evidence to your existing claim
your argument for "all supports look out of combat" is that 4/7 supports don't look immediately imposing
and even for those it's a stretch
Symmetra, Sombra, Mei don't look that dangerous either
Tracer has a slender frame, small guns, and bomber jacket for armor
Torb, just Torb
the only class that specifically has a look close to unified are the tanks and it's because of the gameplay
and even then they're wildly varied in how that frame is actually presented
untold cradle
I can agree with some of this. Another strong indicator for supports is that they usually have the color yellow attached to them in some way.
iron plume
that's closer
untold cradle
Symettra is a weird one since she was designed under that aesthetic of a Support hero
but then they changed her.
limpid agate
With the exception of Junkrat and Tracer
Supports are yellow
Or have heavy yellow
limpid agate
Baptiste is yellow
iron plume
he's got some orange i guess
limpid agate
Its more exception of Ana
iron plume
yeah that too
limpid agate
Moira/Lucio also are only yellow when they heal
Damage/Speed turn them purple/green
lament prawn
“the payload must move, or.. or-.. no, no! it will move. it will.”
uhh sigma?
in terms of voicelines, payload/objective/kills are often treated as part of their mission
“the enemies of talon will be eliminated” - widowmaker
does that earlier voiceline suggest something about sigma’s relationship with talon or just his instanity?
peak escarp
he seems very concerned about what happens if he fails
lament prawn
yeah thats what im on about
untold cradle
Ever since the Origin Story, I had my suspicions.
Now this slightly hints toward it being a possibility.
peak escarp
I'm trying to sort heroes by colour, but most of them have 2 colours in their outfit that are dominant, not just one
lament prawn
see which is more dominant in their simplistic icons
untold cradle
Yeah, a lot of the heroes have two really strong colours
Soldier with his blue and white/red
Lucio is a strong green to me honestly
Tracer is orange/light blue
peak escarp
Lucio has a green shirt but blue leg armor
Mei has a white parka with blue trim and blue leggings
untold cradle
I always associated Lucio with green. It's weird.
peak escarp
his logos are green
lament prawn
his frog icon is green too, its his color
untold cradle
I don't think any other characters have a strong green like Lucio, right?
peak escarp
no
lament prawn
all his DJ hologram stuff is green too
peak escarp
Sigma has a teal sort of colour and Wrecking Ball is a dark teal
one thing I have noticed
lament prawn
i’d go for the hamster’s color
peak escarp
with the exception of Mei (ice themed) and Symmetra (hard-light is cyan), all the heroes that wear mostly blue have a military background
peak escarp
Ana, Baptiste, Pharah, Roadhog, Soldier, Zarya
well, in Roadhog's case I'm not sure if the ALF was actual military or just a militia
but same idea
D.Va's bodysuit is also mostly blue
I want Sigma to be out already so I can look at the voice files
lament prawn
i wanna see the highlight intros and emotes most
as always with every hero
i usually just watch a bunch of those while queuing for a match
peak escarp
I think they'll have those up in a week or so
peak escarp
for Baptiste and Brigitte they announced it on Twitter then added them to the PTR
for Wrecking Ball they showed off one design in an art livestream and then they were added
lament prawn
oh, huh
peak escarp
there's a surprising amount of personality information that can be drawn from the voice lines
and a bit of personal info too
like Mei has issues controlling her temper
and Junkrat lives in a trailer
peak escarp
lament prawn
never would have thought that to be part of her
uggh im on my phone
i swear i used to be able to play these
peak escarp
New year's resolution... hmm... I still think I could do a better job controlling my temper!
peak escarp
she also has several mean/aggressive responses to Junkrat
lament prawn
fire and ice
makes sense
her temper must be nothing compared to others though
she was reduced to tears by a sentence
peak escarp
maybe she thinks she doesn't control her temper, but really she's a sweet girl who maybe snaps at people on occasion
peak escarp
I'm guessing that two of Sigma's legendary skins will be his orange prisoner suit and his while lab suit
probably recolours of the same skin
wonder what else they'll come up with
valid shell
Not really. Fox/Marvel doesn't own helmets and red/black/purple.
peak escarp
like Moira's Bowie skins
valid shell
Considering Blizzard's got Bowie's son on the payroll, I'm sure that one was cool.
peak escarp
they do?
valid shell
Yeah. He made the Warcraft movie.
valid shell
Also Moon, which is what the palette-swap of the Bowie skin was named.
It's all connected.
valid shell
At that point just roll all scientist references into one skin.
Not really a lore skin tho.
deft hollow
I love Sigma and his physics jokes
dapper robin
And his Dutch lines
timid eagle
I’m expecting him to get one of his outfits (from his origin trailer) in the Archives event next year.
I’m otherwise not sure what he will get, cosmetics-wise.
timber sundial
cunning ledge
honestly some of the best voice acting in the game
interested to see how many non-english lines he has in total
deft hollow
Weirdly he quotes Winston too so it must be a lunar quote or something
paper gazelle
Gotta say I'm actually really impressed with Sigma but the reason for his bare feet though
I honestly don't find "to sell the asylum look" a good reason
I'd myself want to believe that in Talon, either you have weird footwear or you wear none at all
worthy rose
He could have just preferred it that way
If the dude could float why would he wear shoes
flint sequoia
zen wears shoes
worthy rose
Zen used to walk
lament prawn
its a design choice, the game isnt exactly realistic
why does mercy need angel wings?
because its a visually appealing design and fits her character, it doesnt need a logical/realistic in-universe reason
going from mega big armor in the torso to bare feet is a deliberately harsh contrast, like his personalities
wet bobcat
that would be kool
but i feel one of those will be an archive skinn
for the sigma skin
cloud shard
The guy got his mind torn apart by a black hole let him get it toes out
lament prawn
yeah, at least he's not wearing crocs like tracer
last inlet
@worthy rose I like how he said that, but like... Sigma used to walk too
worthy rose
True that
He probably still does, i doubt he floats temporarily but you never know what lore brings next.
Hm... maybe this means his Gravity/Black Hole powers are perpetually active.
bright edge
Sigma is probably not getting oasis skin. The oasis skins are for ministers of that place (i.e. Moira is minister of genetics there) I doubt that someone that wascsent to asylum holds that position. Maybe if he was one in past
bright edge
I thought she was, what skin description says?
peak escarp
it doesn't have a skin description
bright edge
Was there any other known ministers?
peak escarp
Minister of Geology Anya Al-Shahrani
frosty shell
heck, Symmetra isn't 100% a scientist and she got one
I wonder if Winston overlooks the ethical issues with Oasis because of their pursuit of science?
compact spoke
Is Sigma's ethnicy/country of origin really Dutch? Or is that only from the voice actor's accent?
last inlet
It's why I play Soldier
worthy rose
@compact spoke. Yeah, his profile on the site says he from the Netherlands.
Sigma, I mean.
compact spoke
Cheers @worthy rose
digital sierra
Honestly for Sigma skins I really want to see something surely based off space. Like an astronaut Sigma.
Out of the latest releases I really like this one just because of how, intriguing his entire background is.
last inlet
Maybe we'll get something based off Horizon, simply because he was on an international space station. Surface-level connection
peak escarp
he does have a map interaction for Horizon
"I never thought I'd be back here. It's beautiful . . . and cold."
last inlet
The warmth of life has been extinguished
worthy rose
About the Sigma shoe thing, they do say sigma is an 'eccentric' person, even Einstein didn't wear socks
last inlet
It does make his design interesting, if only because he's one of the only ones barefoot by default. Wonder if his skins will keep that.
worthy rose
Honestly i don't see why people get so worked up about the fact that he doesn't wear any footwear. It's just feet. It's part of his design, no matter how much you whine about it it's not getting changed. When will people learn?
last inlet
Wait, people want it changed? I thought people were being meme/actual fetishists
teal meadow
@worthy rose feets are disgusting for some people. It's something like armpits or nipples
teal meadow
I also find feets disgusting..But hey. It's your body
But of course this logic can't be used here because it's some weird feets he has and also old
teal meadow
Honestly, who gives a shit about animal feets?
worthy rose
I mean im alright with people having their different opinions on it, thats how it works, but some are whining so much about it that it becomes annoying. Hope its over soon so we can all just enjoy playing him without people commenting on everything that is only slightly off.
clear basin
Who else can’t wait for zen lore
lament prawn
i cant wait for zen lore
peak escarp
when they broke him out of the government facility that was holding him
we don't know exactly when
worthy rose
yeah
and now he's slave
REEEEEEEE
I want Stigma
to help destroy overwatch
like, it'd make sense, but at this rate, do we know what talon memeber are present at the destruction?
lament prawn
do you genuinely want overwatch and its agents to be taken down or do you think it would make an interesting arc for him to want to take them down?
peak escarp
current Talon members are Doomfist, Reaper, Moira, Sombra, Widowmaker and Sigma
in the origin trailer, you can hear Reaper and Widowmaker's gunshots
so those two at least were there
peak escarp
what does Blackwatch have to do with it?
lament prawn
i want talon to cause a conflict so big that it causes this avengers style team up where characters like d.va (plus more meka) and hammond find themselves fighting along side overwatch (not officially, just in the sense of "woah, that's d.va from meka!" and "woah, those are overwatch agents!" comments coming from either side)
worthy rose
Mot the ex-black watch memebers went to talon
peak escarp
even in-universe it's a mystery
the official story is that there was an explosion at the Swiss HQ triggered by Morrison and Reyes fighting, and Overwatch was already being investigated for corruption so it got shut down
but there's more to it than that
peak escarp
and technically its 5 years, counting from when the game was announced
lament prawn
the only reason im not going insane over missing or non-existent lore is because im holding out hope that eventually we'll get a big cinematic/interactive story experience that they're saving the overwatch universe for, instead of spoiling everything in tweets or comics here and there
but what they've laid out so far is a great foundation to get us hooked
worthy rose
If you count
waiting a year
for a short cenamatic
I mean, the latestest one wasn't lore filled
peak escarp
Reunion had plenty of lore
worthy rose
(as we hoped)
lament prawn
why did this fantastic fleshed out universe have to be tied to a competitive shooter game where the majority of the players couldnt care less about the story :sadcat:
peak escarp
it introduced Echo and gave us world building on the Deadlock Gang
worthy rose
and it's for this story
I meant storm rising
if the devs did a sombra ARG, it'd make the fans more happier
peak escarp
that gave us lots or worldbuilding too, and cleared up part of the timeline
worthy rose
and those who couldn't give a damn
well, they wouldn't help
The hype behind her reveal
No one has seen any OW hype compared to that
when she hacked onto the screen
lament prawn
i get this weird feeling whenever someone refers to a player with "there's a tracer top left, no recall" as if they only identify with the characters from their health bar and cooldowns
worthy rose
eb
peak escarp
what else would they say?
worthy rose
Remeber in the Beta, when we all complained about the Tracer trailer showing her able to blink everywhere and in the game, it was straight
lament prawn
im not putting them or anyone to blame of course, its the best communication method for a competitive experience
peak escarp
it's hard to be concerned with the lore in a fast paced game
lament prawn
its just, i wish overwatch was more of a story experience, which im still hoping we'll get one day
worthy rose
Zombies
peak escarp
that's why the lore is mostly outside the game
lament prawn
the last thing i want is for their universe to go to waste when the competitive aspect loses its popularity
worthy rose
It already is
north flame
Zombies is lore simply because the game mode was liked in previous games. Doesn't count in my book.
They made something out of nothing
That's not how you're supposed to do it for it to be good
worthy rose
Zombies at first was a fun mini hidden game mode in WAW
there was no story
even in BO1, we skimmed the start
then b02
then b03
north flame
Either way, this doesn't even relate to ow
peak escarp
I'm fine with the lore being outside the game
I dont want to have to force myself to play a game just to enjoy the story
peak escarp
a large part of the playerbase hasn't even read the comics
lament prawn
if the game itself was the story, i'd be more than fine (although i prefer a cinematic experience)
worthy rose
not our fault
lament prawn
overwatch pve game when
peak escarp
if the rumors are true, maybe a year or 2
lament prawn
we dont even have confirmation that it exists
worthy rose
get to blizzcon
lament prawn
jeff said something big being announced in like 2 months
worthy rose
That's
lament prawn
any ideas on what that is
worthy rose
ow2
lament prawn
if that exists, the rumor said blizzcon
worthy rose
they've had so much failed and canceled projects at blizzard
peak escarp
he didnt say it was an announcement, he said it was "something special"
worthy rose
OW WAS A BREED FROM A FAILED PROJECT
Like, if it worked, make it again
that's big compaines
though, I hope there isn't a pay wall for dlc story
lament prawn
he said something special, but when he was refreshing everyone and listing everything again im certain he went over it like "big announcement in 2 months"
peak escarp
hmm
worthy rose
They may add a BR to OW2
peak escarp
I wonder if we'll get an animated short this August
worthy rose
sigma,*
lament prawn
battle royale in a story game?
lament prawn
isnt CoD more known for its multiplayer
peak escarp
the rumor compared it to Left 4 Dead 2
lament prawn
every character has different abilities, whereas in most BR games you drop in and look for stuff to make it more fair
worthy rose
yeah
lament prawn
i hope they dont add BR personally, but either way it doesnt make sense
worthy rose
Activision
they want money
Loot boxes exist
they can't do that in a SP
they need a way to make profit
Blizzard also are a money hungry group
peak escarp
they'll continue to profit off of Overwatch
worthy rose
They really won't
lament prawn
oh god you just made me think of skins in the story game
worthy rose
once OW2 is out
lament prawn
punk tracer
peak escarp
OW2 isn't going to replace OW
worthy rose
it will
peak escarp
it's going to be a different genre entirely
lament prawn
afaik OW has a steady playerbase, it just isnt mainstream anymore
peak escarp
according to the rumor
worthy rose
Each month, OWL loses viewers
lament prawn
i never watched OWL but i love the game
peak escarp
OW is still in the top 10 for most played PC games
worthy rose
tbh
OW was pushed of being a ESPORTS
at birth
not waiting to develop one, they pushed it
peak escarp
this isn't lore
worthy rose
lament prawn
i can guarantee once the rumored story game or a film drops all the comments are gonna be "hey d.va cant fly that long" or "hey tracer cant blink that much"
peak escarp
their abilities already work differently in the lore than in the game
lament prawn
i know, that was comment-reading experience from the shorts
you were wondering whether we would get a short this august
why wouldnt we?
oh you mean, a delayed short instead or no short at all?
peak escarp
because Blizzard isnt attending any events in August
lament prawn
i was thinking the (apparently zenyatta) short was going to be blizzcon
peak escarp
in previous years shorts were debuted at Gamescom or Korea Fan Fest
but they're not doing Gamescom this year
they could just release it on youtube without fanfare
just a twitter announcement
like the pre-launch shorts
and comics/short stories
lament prawn
you're more well-versed in release dates and speculation on whats to come, does it feel amount of content (in general, from skins to events to lore) is getting less? if so, is it the "giving up" kind of less or "break for something big" kind of less?
i dont want to be too hopeful for anything but i cant help it
peak escarp
the amount of content seems steady
lament prawn
what with the surge of writers being hired
peak escarp
its down from 2016/17, but up from 2018
the short stories are new
and when comics return it'll be up to 2017 levels
lament prawn
okay, i havent been playing overwatch all too long. are the comments always so negative? they make me feel like blizzard doesnt care about overwatch when clearly they do.
lament prawn
i know "dead game" translates to "i dont play the game anymore" but more than anything the comments made me feel like there was a time where we got like 10 legendary skins per event
peak escarp
a lot of people got their hopes up because just before launch we got 4 shorts and 6 comics
in the first year, we got 3-4 legendaries per event
summer games was 3 legendaries with 2 recolours each, Halloween was 4 legendaries, winter Wonderland was 5 legendaries
worthy rose
We haven't gotten a comic since Retribution
peak escarp
then Anniversary had 11 legendaries AND dance emotes for everyone
and people complained that it was too hard to get everything
worthy rose
And cinematics are 3 times a year tho some ppl think it might be 2 a year
peak escarp
it's only 2
worthy rose
mb
peak escarp
August and November
we get Archives, 2 animated shorts and 3 hero trailers per year
everything else is inconsistent
peak escarp
most heroes will get teaser tweets, although for the last 2 years they didnt give teasers for the Blizzcon hero
they did for Sombra though, so who knows
timber palm
so who's everyone's favorite character lore wise/character wise
worthy rose
SCP?
peak escarp
what's SCP?
vernal night
random examples
Thinking pieces of his backstory might hint at a similar organization in the OW universe
worthy rose
just spell out the acronym
vernal night
Secure, Contain, Protect
worthy rose
oh
He was secured by the Danish government after his experiment I'm pretty sure caused a massive explosion or accident
either them or Helix. Not yet another organization
vernal night
tl;dr: fictional crowdsourced stories around an organization tasked with handling weird/spooky, dangerous shit
worthy rose
That was OW
now it's kinda on Helix Security to do that
or
a government in which crazy shit happened in
Like Korea with MEKA
slim adder
Hmm
valid shell
Hmm?
slim adder
Hmm
valid shell
What?
peak escarp
no
kind grotto
Hmmmmm
plucky magnet
hmmst
dusty crag
lore sucks
worthy rose
Theory - Do you think Hanzo Has a death wish?
bright edge
"With every death comes honor, with honor-redemption"
"I must redeem myself"
untold cradle
He's trying to redeem himself for what he's done, but nothing really suggests that he wants to die.
somber bridge
hes not referring to his death im pretty sure
pretty sure hes referring to his status as a shimada assassin
cunning ledge
with every death (of a random goon squatting in my family castle)
he does also tell genji to kill him at one point
pearl cliff
so sigma doesnt know he is being used as a weapon because his mind is somewhat broken?
lament prawn
somewhat
rough frigate
i am winston IRL
iron plume
He was secured by the Danish government
whut
what does denmark have to do with anything
north flame
It appears talon suppressed his innocent side for the most part to allow the aggressive one to run rampant basically
rough frigate
who is talon's dad
rough frigate
talon, sr.
peak escarp
!!shitposting @rough frigate
twilit nacelleBOT
@rough frigate Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
rough frigate
@peak escarp you aren't helping me
peak escarp
then make sense and I will
compact jolt
does talon actually have like a founder
peak escarp
we don't know if they have a founder, but Doomfist seems to be their de facto leader
old breach
genuine question, is there a in universe explanation on how people respawn and don't DIE permanently
like that little hamster should stay dead
lament prawn
the game isnt canon, of course you cant respawn in the universe
even some of the abilities arent canon, like mercy's resurrect
old breach
sry i didn't know the game wasn't canon because im asking for a dumbo
peak escarp
don't worry, it's a common misconception
in reality, it would be more like the "downed" mechanic seen in many team-based games and in the Archives missions
when heroes go down, the medics can get them back up (or they'll die, whichever comes first)
lament prawn
its also referred to as "eliminated" not "killed"
zen can understand hammond without the mech translations
discuss
peak escarp
why would Zen be able to understand him?
only Winston can because animals all understand each other
lament prawn
it would be in character, what with his peace sign and taunt
but it would also make sense with his sort of "enlightenment"
peak escarp
are you sure that's an interaction for Hammond?
I've heard Zenyatta say that to Bastion
fringe blade
He says that to Hammon
Hammond*
I just checked
I wonder, why does Zenyatta ask Orisa if she has dreams/
Does HE have dreams?
last inlet
He might
Omnics are, at least mentally, very close to humans
Maybe he wants to see if Orisa could be the same
fringe blade
Its probably the reference to him being so engaged in the Iris
lament prawn
did he say in as in dreams for the future? or sleep dreams?
fringe blade
Hmm
Orisa says 'I do not dream as humans do. But it is my desire to become the hero Efi believes that I am.'
So its probably like a dream for the future
worthy rose
Soo who did max introduce the overwatch gang to?
last inlet
The way I understand it, it was colloquialism. He just set up a "meeting" between Overwatch and Doomfist, probably the fight between Genji, Tracer and Winston against him
Basically just telling them where to find him
reef dagger
I'm glad we're finally getting Zenyatta lore soon
He's basically one of the most interesting characters in my mind, but I'm a sucker for both robots and Eastern religion.
Also, I sort of think it would be neat to see another comic (or illustrated short story) with Brigitte, now that she's an official hero and all, but I guess it would be neat to see a lot of things.
frosty peak
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north flame
It's a Blizzard soon, we got a bit
peak escarp
it could happen at any time
peak escarp
I wonder what next year's Archives event will be - maybe it'll be something during the lead-up to the Swiss HQ explosion
terse creek
Maybe it’ll explain why Hammond is such a bitch
peak escarp
!!shitposting @terse creek
twilit nacelleBOT
@terse creek Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
terse creek
LOL
north flame
I'd love to see the breakout with Sigma now. Have the story go up to where they reach him
Then you have to have everyone escape
Now that I think about it, how would archives work for a talon group considering it's been from overwatch databases up to this point
lament prawn
whatever side we're on, i want to at least interact with characters from the other side in some way
like obviously tracer/widowmaker wont be AI we can just kill, but whether its listening to comms or being part of a cutscene, i want that
last inlet
Maybe the framing for a Talon Archive would be a report on what was known to happen, even if it's not a lot
lament prawn
not just anonymous talon goons
last inlet
Overwatch is just sayin "Here's a thing that happened, but we don't know all the details"
and the gaem mode is basically you filling in those details by playing it yourself
You get to be Talon
lament prawn
it would be really neat if we're on the overwatch team and we sometimes get to see widowmaker propped up on an inaccessible rooftop or hear sombra's invisible voice and things get hacked here and there
that would give the missions so much more life even if its not much
fringe blade
Honestly, Sigma shouldn't be the first one in line to receive a short
There are so many heroes with really lacking lore
lament prawn
i think everyone has a bias toward their favorite hero(es) but i agree, a lot of other heroes are more deserving than sigma currently
i want a mercy short with a sort of implied side message that tells us that heroes do, in fact, die
in the literal sense at least
north flame
Sigma's story is much more interesting imo than an act of revenge and finding inner peace
fringe blade
Yes, but its not exactly very fair
And I don't personally like that kind of story building
Invest all your resources into the 'interesting' parts, ignoring everything else
north flame
You want to retain and interest new players with an interesting character or keep the old players satisfied while ignoring how to expand the opposition so there can be a legit story
fringe blade
But by investing resources into a new hero, you aren't exactly building a 'legit story'
You are leaving out so many bits of the story, backstories, etc.
Not everything has to be about the main plot development
north flame
There is no story if you don't have a real antagonistic organization to combat the protagonistic one tbh
The one's you're asking for are sidestory tbf
fringe blade
Yes
north flame
Can have it, but don't need it to advance the real storyline
north flame
With as slow as blizzard is, I'd much rather see the main plot developed now until the others need to be fleshed out more
If the pve rumor is true, you'll get what you're asking for as well as myself
Give it time
fringe blade
Then, in my opinion, the story would become stale, if its always about the exact same thing, with the same characters etc.
lament prawn
whatever sacrifices, downfalls, wins, and successes that happen in the main plot, none of that will feel as good as when the characters are more fleshed out
fringe blade
Yea
lament prawn
then you'll love them more and you feel it when they win or lose
fringe blade
That's literally what world building is
It creates an imaginary world, where every part of it holds its own story
worthy rose
I would
love
to do an achirves
off the cenmatic
of inflitrating winstion hq
Widowmaker and reapear
tha'd be nice
fringe blade
When does that happen?
lament prawn
recall
worthy rose
pre-re overwatch reboot
fringe blade
But it was just Reaper
worthy rose
and widow
fringe blade
No
worthy rose
widow was there i swear
fringe blade
It was Reaper and Talon agents
lament prawn
it was just reaper and generic talon goons
worthy rose
may be thinking about the tracer+winstion
vs reaper+widow
which should also be an archive
leading to why the stormed the musem
etc
lament prawn
that was the cinematic trailer, in the museum
fringe blade
We know all of that though
And what's the point of repeating stuff that's been done before
worthy rose
Yeh
lament prawn
but A) they're only fighting each other, obviously you wont get to kill tracer or widowmaker, and B) we already saw it in cinematic form so it wont add to the story
lament prawn
yeah but thats months of work and money over a "would you play it if it existed?"
i can think of 20 different games i'd play if they existed
fringe blade
I don't even know if I would want to play the Cinematic Trailer
worthy rose
lol
fringe blade
Almost nothing happens lol
worthy rose
imagine
if they re-added tower catergory
for a lore reason
like "Tower" catergory is back
fringe blade
'tower'?
fringe blade
ah
worthy rose
because it was shapped like a tower
lament prawn
i dont get it
worthy rose
I dunno
lament prawn
was "sniper" its own role?
worthy rose
Yeah
fringe blade
No
lament prawn
we have enough heroes that can one shot me across the map
fringe blade
I don't think that was a thing
lament prawn
i dont remember it being a thing, although i havent been playing for long
and i havent heard of any beta category like that
i know there were 4 roles a while back
and none of them were sniper
fringe blade
And what do you mean, 'for a lore reason'?
lament prawn
unfortunately its gameplay first, lore second
they can throw in as many sniper characters in the lore as they want but they wont destroy the competitive scene with something like that
worthy rose
Reee
fringe blade
Why would you want specifically snipers
worthy rose
Sigma
is canon fodder
he's there for comp
we all know it
he has orisarein shield, rein shatter, dva matrix
His lore , is SOOOO useless
worthy rose
Like, we don't know when he takes place
fringe blade
One of the best ever released
fringe blade
I guess we can have opinions
worthy rose
Maybe because we don't have a time
lament prawn
they care about character development though, he was meant to be mauga but sigma's abilities didnt fit him so they decided to respect both characters and put them with sigma
worthy rose
for when Sigma is set
fringe blade
Moira's story is cool, but its kinda basic
worthy rose
and when he doesn't join talon
fringe blade
Like what?
worthy rose
other than one made for comp season
One which was LORE based
and not to turn the comp season around
fringe blade
You are mixing up the hero's ABILITIES and the hero's LORE
ABILITIES are non-canon, LORE is.
lament prawn
mechanics wise, all comp needs are the abilities and cooldowns and role, thats a very basic shell which they can fit any type of character into
worthy rose
Okay
fringe blade
They could've given him ANY ability, and not changed the lore a single bit
worthy rose
Which oc other than zen needs the most lore
lament prawn
they went for this backstory for a reason, be it to add to talon's forces or to expand the universe more, we dont know exactly what purpose he serves in the long run
worthy rose
I feel like Zen
fringe blade
Lucio
fringe blade
I would love for more Symmetra stuff, but idk
worthy rose
hands down
fringe blade
No
worthy rose
Who does then?
fringe blade
Reaper
fringe blade
??
lament prawn
some characters dont have as much lore as others, but the lore they have essentially completes their story thus far
like orisa
worthy rose
Or Genji
fringe blade
I mean, Orisa literally doesn't have a backstory
worthy rose
Hanzo could do with some more lore
fringe blade
She was created DURING the events of the story
worthy rose
ngl
lament prawn
thats what i mean, there's not much to tell yet until she's in a conflict or something
fringe blade
Hanzo's lore is kind of lacking, true
fringe blade
But the Shimada lore we have so far is the best lore in the game, in my opinion.
worthy rose
he killed his brother, that's gg
worthy rose
he "killed"
lament prawn
he thought he did
fringe blade
The Dragons short is amazing.
worthy rose
the best one
fringe blade
And the entirety of the lore between the Shimadas is amazing
worthy rose
I like tracer and widow's short
fringe blade
Ehhh
worthy rose
the dragon's short is an anime top ten fight
lament prawn
now that i see it happening to sigma, i so badly want widow to sometimes snap into her amelie reality before it fades again - too bad it would be a little repetitive with that happening to two heroes
worthy rose
eh
fringe blade
IMO, the shorts go
- Dragons
- Honor and Glory
- The Last Bastion
- Rise and Shine
- Infiltration
- Recall
- Alive
- Hero
fringe blade
...so?
worthy rose
but I see why
worthy rose
Graphics are amazin
lament prawn
its one of my favorites
twilit adder
Last Bastion is fantastic, I love my robot boi
fringe blade
Not really
worthy rose
why did they make soilder gay for money?
lament prawn
none of them were bad tbh
valid shell
Tf does gay for money mean.
worthy rose
it's what most think
lament prawn
i like the whole thing with alejandra's faith for her heroes is restored again after meeting soldier
valid shell
Most are fucking morons.
fringe blade
Him being gay actually makes a lot of sense
valid shell
And they teased it 4 years ago.
lament prawn
they havent given us zen lore for 4 years either, so what
valid shell
Reflections.
worthy rose
do tell
valid shell
Soldier was looking at a photo of Vincent.
valid shell
Except it doesn't.
worthy rose
me looking at a photo of my best friend dooesn'nt mean Im gay
lament prawn
why are you trying to deny it
valid shell
It explicitly means what if means.
fringe blade
He wants to feel like he was right
worthy rose
if soilder hadn't been announced gay during ana event, would you think he's gay from that phto
fringe blade
That's why
valid shell
For someone not trying to sound homophobic, you're doing your damndest.
valid shell
So I suggest we drop it.
fringe blade
Also, is that the only time we see his older face?
worthy rose
make their characters gay for money
valid shell
I suggest we drop it.
fringe blade
.....
worthy rose
- oka *
lament prawn
of course not many would think so, but they didnt just "make" him gay after that time, the photo tells us it was planned from the start
yeah, moving on
valid shell
Drop it.
fringe blade
Is that the only time we see 76's old face?
I don't remember seeing it anywhere else
fringe blade
That's why I said 'I don't remember seeing it anywhere'
worthy rose
We need more maxamillion
fringe blade
why
worthy rose
he's EPIC
valid shell
We see it in Old Soldiers.
fringe blade
he is an extremely boring and one sided character
fringe blade
I don't see anything special about him.
worthy rose
he's a mafia character
fringe blade
...?
fringe blade
And thats epic because...
worthy rose
He isn't epic
being a hero doesn't make you epic
you could be epic due to one thing
fringe blade
Quoting you 'he's EPIC'
worthy rose
it's what people see in the character
it's why not everyone thinks avengers are good
I meant epic because I like the fact that an Ominic is rising through talon, and is a mafia like character
that's why
I think it's unique
fringe blade
I suppose that's pretty cool
But I don't think there is any point in giving him any more lore
fringe blade
Why
worthy rose
explains what talon were doing
limpid agate
What is this about
fringe blade
He is saying that there should be a Max comic, I am saying that there shouldn't be
limpid agate
A Max comic could work to delve deeper into the Talon underbelly.
lament prawn
none of the characters are objectively worse or better than others, sigma is a very well written hero, but i personally like other heroes more because i dislike darker stories
fringe blade
Yes, but I feel like its kind of a waste of a comic
limpid agate
You say a Max comic would be useless because Max is not a hero
But
Hero was not a Soldier 76 short
It was a Alejandra short
fringe blade
I know
limpid agate
That Soldier 76 appeared in
fringe blade
I am not saying that he shouldn't have a comic because he is not a hero
I just find him to be a really flat character
Maybe it's just me, I dont know
fringe blade
Echo
worthy rose
The dreadlocks
fringe blade
Efi
worthy rose
I wonder who the dreadlocks hero is
lament prawn
everyone appears flat when you dont know much about them, but even now i wouldnt say he's flat
limpid agate
... Dreadlocks?
fringe blade
The omnic...?
worthy rose
yes
fringe blade
We don't know.
worthy rose
I call him dreadlocks
fringe blade
And he is called the Unnamed Omnic
limpid agate
Some people call him Predator
fringe blade
ewww
worthy rose
That's BadAssery
fringe blade
Honestly, he/she could be anybody
fringe blade
But the fact that they are affiliated with Null Sector seems likely
fringe blade
When did he say that
worthy rose
Hecould*
lament prawn
they already said zen lore is coming soon
fringe blade
Not really
lament prawn
that would be an announcement that says something we already know
sly ferry
tfw sigma gets more lore than zen
lament prawn
everyone says that after every hero drop, patience
fringe blade
???
urban sedge
Quick question
What country is Brig from?
sly ferry
i think sweden
limpid agate
Sweden
worthy rose
germany I think
lament prawn
sweden
limpid agate
She's from Sweden
urban sedge
Cheers
worthy rose
S w e d e e n ?
limpid agate
She is Torb's daughter
sly ferry
how is she that tall
limpid agate
Predictions for heroes 32+:
32: Echo
33/34: Sojourn
35-38: Mauga and Junkerqueen
urban sedge
lol
worthy rose
Echo
sly ferry
I HOPE ITS JUNKERQUEEN MAN
fringe blade
I don't know if Echo is 32, but she's coming soon
sly ferry
junkerqueen as a tank or a support
limpid agate
She is most likely 32. 32 is 1 year after her introduction.
sly ferry
mM
lament prawn
neither were baptiste nor ashe (correct me if im wrong)
limpid agate
No
worthy rose
Tha'ts all
limpid agate
The last year of hero releases was irregular
lament prawn
and sigma has talon ties
limpid agate
Never introduced
worthy rose
yeah ig
limpid agate
But we know 3 heroes who in development, and another that was formerly in development and they still want to make
lament prawn
he has a voiceline that suggests he was affiliated with the horizon lunar colony
worthy rose
the unknown is man's worst fear
limpid agate
@lament prawn He isn't related to Horizon
worthy rose
h e should be
limpid agate
@worthy rose Prior to Ashe, almost every hero was first teased 1 year in advance.
worthy rose
he has one voice line
lament prawn
didnt he have a voice line that said something about him "missing" the place?
limpid agate
Exceptions are Doomfist and Orisa
worthy rose
He h as o n e
lament prawn
thats what i heard at least
limpid agate
Its about space
Not Horizon
Sigma was not on Horizon when he had his accident
And his accident was unrelated to the ape uprising
fringe blade
He was on the other Space Station, the one displayed in Lijiang Tower, right?
limpid agate
That appears to be the case
lament prawn
i know he wasnt in the colony at the time of the accident and that the ape thing and his experiment were two very different accidents, i just thought the voice line suggested a connection from before the origin story took place
lament prawn
but missing "space" would make more sense ig, considering his profession doesnt exactly line up with horizon's scientists
lean prawn
not an asylum, some top secret government holding facility
gravity boi might be a bit too much for your normal looney bin
north flame
@limpid agate who is the one they want to develop?
worthy rose
I've done that been there