timid eagle
“Me too.”
#lore-discussion
lament prawn
he could just be the unexpected strong obstacle capable of eliminating threats in an unheard of way. people have come to expect an assassin sniper, the all-out close quarters shooter, the hacker, but eliminating an entire blockade with a wave of his hand gives them a way stronger edge
that's if he's as strong as people make him out to be, the different tone of the trailer is probably to portray his instability and insanity, not strength or power
worthy rose
You see that works if the goal is conquest
But that isnt doomfist’s goal
Have humanity fight eachother and omnics to grow stronger
worthy rose
Having a guy who can wipe out anyone and everyone doesnt help achieve that goal
weary copper
because that's what it seems like
lament prawn
whatever talon's end goal is, they'll obviously need to use physical force against people standing in their way (overwatch)
i doubt their guns are just for show
weary copper
I'm guessing because of the "melody"
he's hearing sounds that don't actually exist
also, from the hero trailer, voices as well
worthy rose
OW atm is seen as nothing more than a nuisance and not an actual threat. And since they rescued him post fall of OW, they wouldn’t be worried about it coming up again.
And it’s been shown that Talon under Vialli’s leadership was just a profiteer who didnt care for Doomfist’s goals. So again I ask, why pick him up
lament prawn
hm, possibly to eliminate the thought of such a smart and capable person being used against them?
they could kill him but A) bad writing and B) him being on their side is just a plus
their breaking him out may have just been another day on the job for them
worthy rose
They seemingly took him while he was in a sort of vegetative state so not only did they rescue what was basically a vegetable, they helped develop a suit and helped him gain some form of control again
lament prawn
ok no, going out of their way to pick him up in particular obviously means they see something in him - there's a lot of capable people out there if they want to eliminate obstacles
i mean if we're really talking doomfist's goals, isn't humanity technically evolving if people continue to make scientific breakthroughs like sigma?
valid shell
Huh.
There's been some stuff connecting him to Lijiang Tower.
Maybe the wheelchair belongs to him?
peak escarp
the wheelchair belongs to Dr. Chao
valid shell
Nevermind.
peak escarp
lament prawn
seagull streaming sigma gameplay in 20 minutes
huh, interesting interaction, that
not sure what exactly it means or will lead up to
peak escarp
it's just tying together some lose threads
people thought the wheelchair belonged to Harold Winston who somehow escaped the moon and was living in China in secret all these years
worthy rose
Yo doc mind rewatching the video. Someone claimed they heard moira orbs
peak escarp
I don't hear them
teal meadow
yeah ok, but where is that interaction from?
worthy rose
Okay good just making sure
So he was clearly freed during the how many years overwatch was shut down
When in those years is the question
peak escarp
Overwatch was shut down 5 years ago
worthy rose
Yea but for reaper to be with widow that means reaper was apart of Talon at that point which would be during those 5 years seemingly
peak escarp
@teal meadow the Overwatch Interactions channel has a better version of the interaction (there are more parts to it)
Mercy mentions bone density - someone with compromised bone density would be weak and unable to stand for long periods, hence the wheelchair on Lijiang
and from the news scroll on Lijiang Night Market, we know that the CEO of Lucheng is a former Horizon scientist - she must have left before the apes revolted
lament prawn
https://www.twitch.tv/a_seagull starting
untold cradle
Apparently Metzen was the one who gave the idea for "The universe is singing to me!" line
untold cradle
He floats and doesn't wear shoes
lament prawn
"zenyatta used to walk at one point, he didnt always float"
the most zen lore we've gotten since forever
nimble solstice
Bruh I called it he floatsss
upbeat prawn
How do you know
untold cradle
They showed it
nimble solstice
Also the rein shield thing
upbeat prawn
where
untold cradle
nimble solstice
Look at my past messages
upbeat prawn
tyy
peak escarp
he does levitate
they were developing Sigma's kit for Mauga, but realized it didn't fit his character
worthy rose
Mauga just got confirmed?
toxic orbit
worthy rose
I take it back he genuinely flies in his ultimate
I dig it
Updating with sigma now
peak escarp
Mauga is on their list of heroes in development
last inlet
As long as he's not just a Heavy Assault guy
last inlet
K
peak escarp
Sigma's story page is up
no split personalities
De Kuiper continues to develop his powers in hopes of unlocking the secrets of the universe, unaware that Talon is using both him and his research.```Where at?
peak escarp
last inlet
Ah the overall heroes page doesn't have him
peak escarp
it does
worthy rose
sigma cinematic at blizzcon? breaking him out?
last inlet
It didn't when I checked
peak escarp
well it does now
last inlet
Yeah after
frosty star
worthy rose
Feels so weird to hear an ult in your own language
peak escarp
what does he say?
teal meadow
what's that melody?!
worthy rose
Unsure if he says ''zingt'' or ''zinkt'' but basically its ''Het universum zingt/zinkt voor mij'' which is directly translated to ''The universe sings/sinks for me''
peak escarp
cool
teal meadow
this hero is more psychic than gravity
fringe blade
Its very similar. I don't know why I though turkey
worthy rose
😂
fringe blade
Its like that feeling when something is on the tip of the tongue but you just can't place your finger on it
You know?
worthy rose
oh man yeah i know all about that haha
i wish ptr was on xbox too, he looks so much fun to play
and im really looking forward to see more of his lore
worthy rose
i love how he doesnt wear shoes
fringe blade
lmao
long warren
These are the countries of origin correct?
peak escarp
was he even close?
worthy rose
absolutely not
peak escarp
😂
worthy rose
i also like how his previous base of operations is in my city c:
makes you feel special hehe
fringe blade
I mean, its a way to categorize i guess
white cobalt
fringe blade
'Subject Sigma'
worthy rose
Kuiper is a pretty common dutch name actually
fringe blade
The fact you can retract the shield and throw it out immediately is pretty op though
Its weird
He's like a mix of Reinhardt, Zenyatta, Orisa and a bunch of others
lament prawn
"what is this violence?!" upon getting a kill with sigma
what
he says it frantically like it shouldnt be happening
worthy rose
De Kuiper was quarantined in a secret government facility
This makes me question
which government facility
fringe blade
He used to walk?
long warren
Wait what?
fringe blade
I mean, thats cool
worthy rose
oh wow
long warren
Of course he used to walk duh
fringe blade
I guess it kinda represents how far he has come in his divinity
fringe blade
Its also funny how Sigma in-game has pretty much nothing to do with time and black holes
nimble solstice
Floating boyo
long warren
His Ult is a "Black Hole"
peak escarp
it's a little disappointing
long warren
But it doesnt work like one
peak escarp
I wanted a time ult
nimble solstice
It is I who was correct about floating
long warren
I wanted an ult that could curve projectiles
worthy rose
honestly his ult and abilities could have been lots of things
nimble solstice
-golf claps all around-
worthy rose
but i think they did great on those we have now
fringe blade
Yea, but it doesn't fit his lore
Almost at all
I guess the fact he can lift and throw enemies/float shows he has to do with gravity?
nimble solstice
yes
worthy rose
that would make most sense
i mean
obviously i dont understand how the meteorite (?) that he throws that boops people has to do with much but
still pretty cool
nimble solstice
Its rubble he holds together with their individual mass and laws of attraction/gravity
worthy rose
ahh
thank you
i missed a few parts of the stream where they explained his abilities due to it lagging
but that makes sense
long warren
I feel like Sigma and Zenyatta will have conflicting opinions
Both can float- Sigma gained it through Science and Zenyatta gained it through Spirituality
nimble solstice
How is sigma so broad n ripped if hes a astronerd who bends gravity to lift stuff and doenst ever do leg day
long warren
Talon refiting
worthy rose
well he can just have a generally strong build
nimble solstice
🔫 👀 I demand answers Jeff kaplan
worthy rose
and his armor makes him look bulky as hecc
long warren
Did Jeff discuss the "ITS IN ME" backwards easteregg in the Sigma origin story?
worthy rose
nope
nimble solstice
he was pretty broad as a astronerd though and on the gurney. I like his bigness tho
long warren
Did Sigma absorb the Black Hole or?
vale junco
ez btw to all yall saying that sigma had personalities from diff dinensions lol
turns out
the simplest explanation
was correct
long warren
Boring
nimble solstice
Idk where they got the diff dimensions from
peak escarp
yeah, y'all had it wrong
worthy rose
that doesnt even make sense in the slightest
long warren
We got the different dimensions because that wouldve been more interesting than just "Generic Mad Scientist #2"
nimble solstice
Trying to go too deep when its overwatch we talking about
worthy rose
feel like ppl were overthinking things
long warren
No clue
worthy rose
you could literally see him write with one in an earlier shot i-
nimble solstice
He isnt a generic scientist tho smh
long warren
He is tho
Scientist who's experiment went horribly wrong and now he is insane
Its so cliche its boring
vale junco
he was an overly ambitious scientist who went insane after his experiment failed
vale junco
ow is all about tropes
nimble solstice
overwatch is full of cliches
worthy rose
i mean it does make more sense than going the road of different dimension personalities 😂
so i honestly dont even mind
lament prawn
im glad that at least his game form isn't as dark as the trailer and everyone's theories made him out to be
nimble solstice
Anyways, if you dont like their explaination, make a fan fic, fan art ect
vale junco
im fine w the story i dont get why pll think its boring the way ow made his backstory i am 100% fine
lament prawn
im fine with cliches as long as digging down grants you a fleshed out and lovable character, as is the case with all the heroes we have
worthy rose
his backstory is fine
long warren
Not all characters are as cliche as Sigma is
nimble solstice
Bruh have you seen the actual cowboy in the game
worthy rose
Mcrizzle
peak escarp
he's not an actual cowboy
long warren
McCree is cliche duh
vale junco
how is sigma as cliche as say mccree, soldier or reaper
peak escarp
he's a wannabe cowboy
nimble solstice
Hes an ameriboo
long warren
Literally explained it just a second ago my dude
"Scientist who's experiment went wrong and now he is insane"
Thats his entire lore so far in a nutshell
vale junco
boohoo write ur headcanon
nimble solstice
Yo never know he could have been already mentally unstable before his experiment went wrong
vale junco
im fine w it
lament prawn
we barely know anything, you can make anything sound stupid if you dumb it down and word it like that
long warren
I was hoping he was creator of the thing Zarya and Orisa use
worthy rose
i really hoped he wasnt
long warren
Wouldve connected him to other characters
nimble solstice
not everyone needs to be connected tho
lament prawn
he's literally in talon
long warren
Rn Sigma is only connected to Talon and we dont even know how
worthy rose
i honestly would like to know how talon found out about him
long warren
^^^
nimble solstice
Sombra prob
lament prawn
there's story to that, we just dont know everything yet
long warren
Overwatch is all about characters being connected to eachother
worthy rose
yeah but how did they know about him being in there
lament prawn
overwatch is about an optimistic outlook on the future, their slogan never said anything about connected characters
d.va is not affiliated with neither overwatch nor talon
but she has her own story and its nice
devout sable
@long warren Overwatch's whole thing is the use of tropes and cliches
peak escarp
they're cliched on the surface
devout sable
cowboy, cyborg ninja, gruff soldier
long warren
There are still a few characters to be added to sombra's web
Baptiste, Mauga, Sigma, Orisa, Efi, ect
devout sable
who's Mauga?
last inlet
short story
nimble solstice
The tank everyone wanted on tumblr and got salty because they were like "bruh y sigma not black and trans"
last inlet
not a comic
long warren
Whatevr
last inlet
They do that with everyone Kerk
nimble solstice
Yea
devout sable
@nimble solstice people are sick of waiting an eternity for a single playable black woman hero
last inlet
Tumblr People TM are a lost cause
devout sable
tbh
last inlet
Look dude
long warren
BRUH SIGMA AINT NO MAUI! WHAT CAN I SAY EXCEPT F××× YOU
last inlet
if they don't get it perfectly right, they're not gonna risk it
long warren
last inlet
Maybe it's a problem of their own doing
grim thorn
True animalpuff
last inlet
by their, I mean the people clamoring so hard for it
nimble solstice
In a way, those people on tumblr n twitter are more racist and sexist. They hate so hard on things not going exactly their way
devout sable
we got three white women in a row and a fucking hamster before we got a single black woman
nimble solstice
We got a black dude tho
devout sable
well, Overwatch marketed itself on diversity and representation
nimble solstice
And we have orisa
devout sable
she's a robot
long warren
We have multiple black women in lore
last inlet
Did they tho
long warren
Efi made Orisa
nimble solstice
Her accent still counts dont you think
last inlet
And I mean...aren't they diverse and representative?
devout sable
not really
nimble solstice
Would you still say it's not representation if she were all in armor and never took it off tho
peak escarp
Jeff said they were developing this hero while Alyssa was writing her story, and intended to use Mauga, but they realized that this kit didn't match Mauga's style (he's more agressive, this is a more controlled, intelligent kit)
so they dropped Mauga and made up Sigma
devout sable
really, the only thing Blizzard needed to do to put this matter to rest was to introduce a black female hero somewhere before Wrecking Ball
peak escarp
they still have plans to use Mauga though
long warren
Ehh
nimble solstice
Might still make mauga tho
last inlet
Good thing Blizzard doesn't have to do anything
nimble solstice
Tru
nimble solstice
they will never shut up
peak escarp
or they'll just move on to some other target
nimble solstice
^
peak escarp
we have no Arabic men, or Aboriginal Australians, or Native Americans, etc.
long warren
Hero 32: Junker Queen (Damage)
Hero 33: Mystery Hero (maybe black woman) (any role)
Hero 34: Echo (Support)
Hero 35: Mauga (Tank)
I could see something like this
nimble solstice
where my el salvadorian or honduran machete weilder
peak escarp
Junker Queen is a long-term hero
she won't be next
I think it will be Echo as a Damage hero
or Sojourn (also Damage)
frosty shell
pharah has native american heritage
peak escarp
I know
devout sable
I just wish we got a black female hero before Wrecking Ball, cause frankly, the fact we still didn't get one has been bugging me too.
peak escarp
but she barely shows it
frosty shell
yeah we know
long warren
When do yall think Overwatch will stop getting more heroes?
35 = 
40 = 
45 = 
50+ = 
frosty shell
And it might've been made up just to justify her skins
worthy rose
I dont see the game being around long enough to hit 50 heroes
last inlet
Here's the thing
iron plume
I can see overwatch hitting 10-ish pretty easily
last inlet
No other demo cares as much
frosty shell
40 heroes was the number they had before cutting it down
iron plume
but not with this pace
last inlet
Because it's not a big deal
iron plume
they'll slow down
long warren
I think it depends on whether Overwatch 2 happens or not.
frosty shell
so 40 heroes might be a good cap
last inlet
I owuldn't be surprised if Echo ended up being the last
iron plume
make it a nice even 42
long warren
Jeff confirmed recently they have a decent amount of heroes in Planning/Testing phases
nimble solstice
I for one am happy about skins used to represent cultures as long as it's done well and they research first
Because I know they cant touch upon all placed in the world with heroes or maps
long warren
I think he said like 3-4 or something?
peak escarp
they had 6 heroes in development as of Blizzcon last year
iron plume
they have up to 6
also "planning/testing"
i'm pretty sure you're missing the most important part
long warren
And we've gotten a 3 characters since Blizzcon last year right?
frosty shell
I'd like a hero from another part of Africa
nimble solstice
Planning and testing doesnt = confirmed for release because they could be cancelled
long warren
I know
frosty shell
We only have 2.5 countries represented right now (2.5 because Numbani's not real IRL)
long warren
And Ana
nimble solstice
Oh and ana
frosty shell
One from Central, East, or Southern Africa would be good
long warren
Orisa is Numbani
Doomfist is Nigeria
Ana and Pharah is Egypt
frosty shell
maybe
long warren
Give us a hero from Venezula
nimble solstice
Because apparently mexico is only day of the dead. But I'll take what I can
frosty shell
Haiti was definitely a good choice for a hero
long warren
Northern South America is lacking rn
nimble solstice
that's why I jokingly asked for a Honduran or el Salvadorian machete weilder
frosty shell
I agree though that Sombra/Dorado is overly attached to well-known Mexican things like Dia de los Muertos
nimble solstice
kinda exclusively to dia de los muertos
long warren
I think like Columbia or Venezula would be nice
nimble solstice
Lol
long warren
Maybe Peru
frosty shell
Los Muertos would be a good gang name, but there's a lot more in Mexico to touch on
nimble solstice
a Mayan or Aztec based hero would be cool
frosty shell
I would be down for another South American hero
worthy rose
LMAOOOOO
frosty shell
well, there are still Mayan and Aztec people
nimble solstice
Shows how much you know about mexico and ect. They are still alive lol
frosty shell
yeah
worthy rose
doctor is that actually in the game?
nimble solstice
Maybe they dont live the same but their celebrations are still very much live
peak escarp
I assume so
frosty shell
I still wonder what country Sojourn is from
last inlet
That's nice
frosty shell
she has an American-sounding voice but I don't want a fifth american hero
worthy rose
thats got to be the most funniest thing
peak escarp
!!shitposting @midnight grove
twilit nacelleBOT
@midnight grove Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
midnight grove
Thats what they want you to think
nimble solstice
like if you at least try to explain it, I dont think itd be shit posting.
But if it's just a random comment. Then it kinda is
midnight grove
before he was put into the omnic body
he was a human
but then
He was a zoo keeper
nimble solstice
What if his mind isnt ai, but is actually a human mind from a quadriplegic who wanted a second chance.
But then that isnt lore and it's more of a headcanon and not really lore discussion
peak escarp
that's not how omnics work
nimble solstice
I know I was just giving an example about it ending up not being lore discussion
devout sable
the only robot character with a chance of having previously lived a human life is Echo
but Bastion and other omnics were mass-produced automatons
peak escarp
not even her
last inlet
"Simple Arithmetic" line from Sigma
peak escarp
there's no indication that that's even possible
devout sable
I mean, her name is Echo, devs avoided calling her an omnic, she has human face and mannerisms...
it may very well be
peak escarp
she can be a robot without being an omnic
devout sable
maybe
full basin
I am so happy Sigma is from the Netherlands 😄
I always wanted a hero that speaks my language xD
full basin
I am from Belgium so obviously he is still from another country, but still same language but different accent xD
worthy rose
Netherlands here xD
hallow vessel
in the blizzard board room they must be sticking pins in different parts of the world, one for each country, and then just go metal with americ, 'cause pariotisim
long warren
[cough] Canada [cough]
If we get a Canadian hero- they could be a rescue personell with like a Husky or something
devout sable
someone had the idea that the Canadian hero could be Pharah's half-brother
late torrent
so Sigma is half willingly in Talon, huh..
and between all the stuff happening in origin short there's a few years gap as well
modest cove
So we get another hero that can have gold balls right?
late torrent
Well, although they're not round... yes
pearl portal
thats too hard of an word
pearl portal
mhm
peak escarp
took you a while
peak escarp
oh lol
valid shell
Sombra has toe socks, DF has flip-flops, Moira has syringes on her feet, Reaper has claws...
last inlet
Widow has heels
pearl portal
there comfy
worthy rose
i love how his entire body is covered in armor but god forbid he wears any type of footwear
quasi siren
Sigma is the oldest character in the game correct?
flint sequoia
oof
pearl portal
to be fair mei was frozen for 8 million years
peak escarp
well, that adds one more hero to the list of Ph.D holders
worthy rose
@pearl portal and the cold never bothered her anyway
nimble solstice
tbh maybe he has a problem with stimulation and his feet like some autists have with their head and hats/hairbrushing/haircuts. thats what i thought at first
mellow quest
What if Sigma has become self-aware that his universe is a fictional universe and is trying to maintain his sanity? It explains why he says “Freedom. Imprisonment. It’s all an illusion.”
lament prawn
someone complained about the bare feet and ball on his back in the comments and another user replied, i really like their take on it as it makes a lot of sense - "Lack of shoes due to the fact that he doesn't need them as a character who floats/suspends himself using his control of gravity. It also supports the hospital scene when he is being wheeled as a patient as patients don't wear shoes. In addition, his bare feet help emphasis the gravity shackles around his ankles. (which emphasizes the prisoner motif talked about in the trailer and his lore.) It likely also helps to just show he isn't a complete cyborg, bringing flesh back into his design in other parts makes him a bit more human.
As for the ball on his back, I beleive it has something to do with the powering of his suit using his mind. From a gameplay standpoint it gives him a unique silhouette and possibly areas of focus for players to fire at. I think you are absolutely allowed to not like how these elements were executed, but as elements of character design they serve multiple purposes and are very effective. Interested in hearing your thoughts."
jovial sky
k
mellow quest
I agree with basically everything jupit said
lament prawn
not my words, its a user under the post in the comments
mellow quest
What do you think of my idea?
lament prawn
all the characters are designed to look unique and emit character. mercy is a healer and a doctor, her equipment and uniform probably dont require her to look like an angel with wings, but its a nice visual design choice they went for
peak escarp
it's part of Blizzard's design philosophy
they want you to be able to tell everything about a character just by looking at them
lament prawn
its honestly amazing
its part of the many reasons why i prefer stylized characters and universes over realistic ones
peak escarp
you should have a good idea of their abilities and personality just from their design
lament prawn
all the little things add up
i dont think the game would have caught my eye if all overwatch members wore matching dull informs with no exclusive equipment or abilities they each have
its a combination of visual character design, posing, and voice acting that bring out the character
peak escarp
yeah same
it was the visual appeal that caught my attention
I dont even like FPS games
lament prawn
its all exaggerated in a way where you dont have to spend your time digging up lore on the characters to get the gist of who they are and what they're like, but you do anyway because they caught your eye from the start
all the shooter games i liked in the past came down to either being badass or cool or tactical or just mutual friends that play the game, ive never dove so far into a game universe as i have with overwatch
limpid agate
I need to wait for emotes and voice lines
But right now
His split personality doesn't really exist outside the ally ult line
peak escarp
he does have a small moment in his hero select animation where he seems to suddenly realize what he's doing/where he is
reminds me of Junkrat's hero select
midnight shoal
Can I just say. I told you so.
peak escarp
told who so?
limpid agate
And what is it you said
midnight shoal
That Sigma would have the Kinetic grasp ability, That the Hyper spheres would be his primary, that he would be able to pick up debris to throw at enemies AND that his Ult would Lift up enemies.
peak escarp
those were some good predictions
untold cradle
at least my prediction about having something titled "Event Horizon" that comes with him was right
one of his achievements 
peak escarp
are his achievements up?
untold cradle
Yeah, one of them is getting 350 shielding with one use of Kinetic Shield
and the other is killing 3 or more people with his ultimate.
Assuming the latter is the cute spray.
peak escarp
neat
dusk mirage
balmy swallow
I am more interested in lore where if there is a chance he goes jackel and hyde
like personality change from tiem to time
also, Sigma is the name of an extremely important god/leader in a fantasy game series (that started blizzard games legacy)
Warhammer Fantasy universe.
Which as we know warcraft is inspired by, atl least, so to speak.
Ignore the current warhammer fantasy where you have return of sgna and dumb gameplay on tabletop after they scrap the unit formation based gaming system
sick hazel
someone edited a pic of capcom sigma with his toes out
i didn't save it tho feels bad man
prisma wren
is sigma on ptr?
limpid agate
That is what the picture, #overwatch-news and the game's launcher say
desert yacht
why do people come to the lore discussion channel to ask if he’s on ptr
common sense when
icy pond
This has probably been said a ton, I just haven’t seen it. Does it feel like Sigma realizes that he’s in a game?
limpid agate
No
icy pond
What about the part where he says ‘it’s all an illusion’ or the talking backwards partly confirming that he knows talon is ‘using’ him? (I feel like they’re trying to say he isn’t aware of it normally)
limpid agate
Not necessarily
valid shell
Sigma's literally The Flying Dutchman.
peak escarp
hopefully his voice lines, emotes and highlight intros will show his fractured mind better
flint sequoia
so basically the universe knows how to sing and its singing to him
limpid agate
No
worthy rose
That or he's hallucinating
fringe blade
In the timeline, when did McCree lose his hand?
fringe blade
I'm just wondering how long Echo has been deactivated
limpid agate
Dont know
hazy vortex
I think the most probable time is when overwatch disbanded
peak escarp
McCree lost his arm some time between leaving Overwatch and the events of Trainhopper
Echo didn't know about it, so she was either put into storage before it happened, or hadn't seen McCree between when he lost the arm and when she got put away.
fringe blade
Sigma's lore is amazing, his gameplay is mediocre
peak escarp
I wasn't expecting to be impressed
fringe blade
But I love the lore
peak escarp
oh yes
peak escarp
I have questions, and I want to see more about him
I didn't really have that with Ashe or Wrecking Ball or Brigitte
fringe blade
Yea
His gameplay could've been so much
Jeff should've been gone for quite a while IMO
the lore is going in an amazing direction, the game is not
(Except for Role Queue)
peak escarp
Jeff is doing a fine job
late torrent
Mediocre gameplay? Really?
The only thing that sucks about him is 0 mobility, but that's a trade off for his abilities I guess
Otherwise he has a lot of potential
hazy vortex
The pros are gonna take sigma and make him a core of their teams
The tactical flexibility of his barrier is insane if used correctly
But that's not lore so I'll stop
late torrent
Mhm
teal meadow
in game he sounds such a chill guy tho, exept when he ults
might be the armor that is helping him control iself?
fringe blade
I like the fact he has an echo-ey voice
desert yacht
i want to see his interactions with moira
elder scaffold
ok correct me if im wrong (which I probably am) you know in the uprising comic how mercy is assessing tracer. then fast forward a bit when they are going on the mission and there is a medic who looks a bit like mercy but ofc isnt because she literally was like right there and yeah. And a bit later I see one of mercys skins is that person and its called combat medic Ziegler. so is she mercy or am I just a dummy?
if not then who is she
desert yacht
the woman in the vehicle going to the mission with torb rein and tracer is mercy
if that's what you're asking
fringe blade
Combat Medic Ziegler is Mercy. Mercy's full name is Angela Ziegler. She was a medic with Overwatch during the Uprising, and went in during combat, thus a Combat Medic.
cloud shard
Probably right as overwatch was shut down
elder scaffold
yeah I know that but earlier in the comic mercy didn't have that haircut and she looks the recent mercy then like later she is a combat medic and looks like a different person.. :/ anyway oh I just realised she could of just let her hair down oohh
deft hollow
The real question is how does she stay looking so young
fringe blade
She has access to some of the best tech in the world
I wouldn't be surprised that she manages to look young
devout sable
she's literally only 37
long warren
Imagine a highlight intro for Sigma where he crushes the camera with his gravity and just stares into the shattered glass
I wish more highlight intros played with the camera. Makes them really interesting (the only few currently are Symmetra, Roadhog and Orisa (tho Orisa's is more like Rein is holding the camera while charging)
lament prawn
there's also doomfist punching the camera
perhaps we'll see one where sigma uses his ult to bring the camera up then smash it down, then looking down at it
there's also brig shield bashing the camera
and soldier hitting it with his gun
the highlight intros are cinematic goodies, i love when they're even more cinematic in hero trailers where they have more heroes in the background
http://prntscr.com/ojgy8q this one was really cool with the speech she had going in the background
cunning ledge
bright edge
You forgot about ana sleep HI
last inlet
Are people still surprised that a near 40-year-old can look young, especially in a stylized video game?
peak escarp
Mercy has her hair up in a ponytail while she's talking to Jack, then she has it down when she's getting ready to leave
lament prawn
does tracer straight up not age?
peak escarp
she does
lament prawn
slipstream tracer skin looks the same
and she looked the same in the captain amari days
peak escarp
women don't age a whole lot between 19 and 25
lament prawn
am i hallucinating or did she fight with captain amari
also i swear i heard somewhere official that tracer's accident affected her aging in a way - mei's cryo was mentioned there, as well as mercy's aging being affected by her own medical tests or something
peak escarp
Mercy ages normally
worthy rose
They do but thats like joke answers from chu
peak escarp
the image you're thinking of has been admitted to be incorrect
worthy rose
Tracer aging is canon but she is still young
peak escarp
Chu admits that they weren't going for accuracy with the image of the medal ceremony
they wanted to evoke a feeling of heroes, so they went with whatever designs they had at the time - Blackwatch Reyes, and Captain Amari
worthy rose
She did not fight captain amari
peak escarp
lament prawn
i meant fighting alongside captain amari, but i see now that its incorrect
teal meadow
Mei didn't aged because she was frozen, so she will age in future now that she is unfrozen
cunning ledge
yes
lament prawn
yeah i know that much, i just thought i heard an official list of characters that had their aging affected one way or another at a point in their life (thats not to say theyre stuck in time)
devout sable
@peak escarp 7-8 years ago, not 6
devout sable
... Uprising was 7 years ago 😛
hallow vessel
so i just put a Sigma theory trying to give another reason why talon selected him on the overwatch story forums and am just going to Copy-paste it here 'cause i don't feel like writing a lot
So I was watching a stream introducing Sigma and as a Tracer recalled out of his ult I had a thought, so every person even slightly interested in Astropyhscis knows that gravity and time are links and basically the same thing.
This would suggest that in the game’s lore and not gameplay, that sigma and tracer would have special interactions, most likely being that tracer’s abilities wouldn’t work as they normally would in sigma’s gravity (and by extension time) warping presence and ult.
The way this really becomes a theory is the fact that it would make sense for Talon to seek out Sigma To actively counter Tracer, seeing as she is one of the most annoying and inspiring members of reformed Overwatch
devout sable
I mean, Tracer isn't even a target right now
Widowmaker could've killed her after she killed Mondatta, but she extracted instead
so the way I see it, Talon sees Tracer as merely an annoyance
hallow vessel
fair enough, but to really sort this out i woould need a timeline of the shorts
and either why a gravity manupulating madman who can also hard counter a member of the overwatch team, i think talon would take it anyway, especally if the knew of Overwatch's reforment
peak escarp
(Also Tracer is 26 - I'm not very awake this morning)
counters don't really have much to do with the lore
hallow vessel
the that senceario i ment that Sigma would counter tracer in lore but not in gmae
as he can manuplate gravity and gravity can manuplate time
devout sable
I mean, I think they primarily saw a potential for him to be a living weapon
not necessarily against Tracer specifically
hallow vessel
but hey we all like a bonus
devout sable
I've got another theory on Sigma that is vaguely related to yours, in that it also involves time; I think his personality is basically fluctuating between different points in the timeline
peak escarp
Tracer doesn't seem to be on their radar, like Slignerd said
cunning ledge
interesting theory there
fringe blade
When absorbing Zarya's Grav, he says 'I have harnessed the harness', which I think is pretty cool
worthy rose
He also says something about Dragons when he absorbs Hanzo's ult arrow
fringe blade
I've absorbed the dragon or something
peak escarp
I wonder how old Sanjay is
peak escarp
@hallow vessel did you just necro a bunch of threads on the Story Discussion forums?
hallow vessel
define necro
peak escarp
revive a thread that has been inactive
peak escarp
hallow vessel
ooooh
peak escarp
you should take a look at when the last post was made - necroing threads is bad
hallow vessel
there was one about how amazing and beatiful Phara is and i kinda have to say something there
north flame
BTW gravity and time are only somewhat connected. It's time and space that are linked
worthy rose
Maybe sigma needs to be barefoot in order to be able to have his gravity voodoo stuff
teal meadow
No
The creator said it resamble the fact that in hospitals you don't have to wear socks
And also because if he had shoes he would look generic
peak escarp
it's an interesting touch
the reason I was wondering about Sanjay's age is that Doomfist is the youngest member of the Talon council that we know of
although I'd put Sanjay in his mid/late 30s
remote agate
Overwatch is going down a strange path
peak escarp
strange good or strange bad?
limpid agate
Is Sigma on the council?
peak escarp
I don't think he would be, if they're just using him as a weapon
I thought one of the people at the table looked like him, but that was before his bio was released
lean prawn
sigma doesn't seem like he's the most sound of mind
hazy vortex
Max is on his own team
grand bluff
Jeff mentioned during his play with Seagull they were looking for more Talon members to add--which is why they added Sigma. Is it probable we will get any more Overwatch members?
worthy rose
Wait, whos Max?
grand bluff
Ah yes
worthy rose
Ohh
grand bluff
I forgot already haha
teal meadow
How can sigma make junkrat sound normal? he sound really chill in game
he doesn't have any psyco voice line
like in the origin short
teal meadow
yes, in the game he sounds like he can control itself and act intellectual
i'm pretty sure it's because of the armor
i think talon is trying to help him a bit to control his problems, and also use him as a weapon
and also..... studying him and his research
lapis cloak
hey, I know the official story is that sigma doesn't know he's being controlled by talon, but at some point I thought I read that he does know
like there was a tiny clue
might have been seagull's stream
peak escarp
people were saying he knew because in his origin trailer he says "release me" several times
lapis cloak
yeah I saw that
peak escarp
but that is in response to being held in a government facility, not for being held by Talon
lapis cloak
there's also the tiny freeze frame in the origin trailer where he smiles
yeah that's what I concluded too
lapis cloak
I guess the thing about the reversed "release me" is that hidden clues like that are usually supposed to further a story/lore, not support it
like that's sort of been the case with other clues
And the whole dutch "release me" letter findings
worthy rose
Hope it shows what it is
^ about sigma
Anyway do you think this could mean that Talon did something to him close to what they did to Widowmaker, except less?
Or is it maybe because of his accident?
lament prawn
they dont really have a reason to go less on him in terms of conditioning
we dont see widowmaker snapping like that, although admittedly that would be cool
it could be a mix of both talon and accident
valid shell
They might have a reason.
To preserve his genius.
If they go too hard on conditioning him they risk losing that.
lament prawn
honestly idk how that would work
widowmaker still has her memories
and her brain functions and reflexes are tip top
although perhaps a mind as active and intelligent as sigma's might slip through the cracks sometimes and see whats going on
but then again, why such a creepy origin story to portray his insanity? i think it might be leaning towards the accident, but talon could have tried to close off his normal personality and amplify the one that's already mad from the accident
hallow flare
so im alittle confused about the reaper
gusty folio
peak escarp
@hallow flare how so?
peak escarp
his mask?
hallow flare
the face under the mask
hallow flare
imagine that face but disfigured
peak escarp
a lot of people think he had no face, but he must have one if Ana recognized him
hallow flare
ikr
peak escarp
also his skin would be paper white
you can see it between his sleeves and his gauntlets
hallow flare
ye
peak escarp
it can't be too horrifying
rated T for Teen
there's a reason they haven't elaborated more on the heroes with dark backstories (Widowmaker, Sigma, Reaper)
hallow flare
WHO DAFUQ IS SIGMA?!?!
hallow flare
sigma balls
peak escarp
peak escarp
yes
peak escarp
just announced on Monday
he was exposed to a black hole in a failed experiment and he gained gravity powers at the cost of his sanity
Talon abducted him from the institution he was in and now they use him as a human weapon
lament prawn
as much as i love pretty much all the other heroes more than sigma, now i just want a sigma short to see him snap into reality mid or post-battle for a brief reaction before going back
peak escarp
I'd like a comic/short story about him
particularly a short story, because those give more internal thoughts and subtlety than a comic
lament prawn
actually yeah, a short story would make sense for such a thoughts-heavy character
and that way the cinematic resources can go to another character
worthy rose
Hey doc, did jeff state Comics or comic this year?
hushed wharf
Somebody put the piano music from The Trailer and seperated it, Sounds really cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWFait1BDK8
hushed wharf
Im just glad I was correct in saying it is not that song twitter thinks it is
peak escarp
a run of comics
hasty surge
Has sigma pushed any lore forward?
limpid agate
no
north flame
Heard sigma was supposedly going to be in a short eventually
fringe blade
For the next short, I am either hoping for Lucio or Zenyatta
hollow tree
what we know is that zen's lore is coming up
I wonder if there will be any connection between zen and sigma
peak escarp
not likely
fringe blade
What heroes have gotten the least lore
fringe blade
I feel like the next short will either be Zen or Lucio
It just makes sense
Orisa doesn't really have a story we don't know about
*backstory
balmy swallow
Well, Question on Sigma, if you notice the background lore it mentions both psychological damage and psychic damage. That said papa jeff uses psychological damage all the way ... interesting to see if a bit of both exist.
Obviously we can assume his advance telekenesis is a psychic power that is gravity based.
@peak escarp What do you think on this.
Also, this is the case where while talon is doing things for their own gain, it does improve quality of life for sigma it seems.
if anything at least (for their own reason) does help him to control and overcome his own power rather than locking him up and treat it as is.
peak escarp
"psychic" can just mean anything to do with the psyche
so psychic and psychological mean the same thing
raven drift
lets just call him prof x
hazy vortex
Renosant, Jeff confirmed at some point, I can't find the exact source, that sigma is going to have a short, or be majorly involved in a short because he's one of the best characters, in the devs opinion, blizzard has come out with
worthy rose
He looks far more menacing in the origin story than in game in my opinion
devout fjord
It’s because he just floats fully armoured with his toes out
makes him look silly
all of talon has weird footwear
hazy vortex
Shoes are kind of uncomfortable and if you can float why wear them? Makes sense
lament prawn
sombra is the only character that can properly run and she doesnt even wear shoes
hazy vortex
Idk if you can class them as not shoes
worthy rose
Theyre more like socks than shoes
lament prawn
footwear, i wouldnt use the term shoes though
hazy vortex
They look a bit like what divers wear
lament prawn
you mean like the flipper thingies?
they just look like tight socks tbh http://prntscr.com/ojvwb1
unique bits and designs for the tech/futuristic elements as well
at least she has some sort of pad at the bottom
bright edge
What sombra wears are five finger shoes, used to simulate barefoot running
naive bolt
Torb made bastion
uneven flume
yo
hazy vortex
Oh yeah I forgot divers wore flippers
remote lotus
quick question
what is the official name of the spacecraft in overwatch
the one that you start at inside the game
does anyone know?
cunning ledge
on most of the control maps, you start in an orca dropship
apparently piloted by tracer
or some guy called ray if you trust jeff kaplan
but I still maintain that he's just shitposting
peak escarp
Jeff didn't say Sigma will get a short - Seagull asked "Sigma short when?" and Jeff answered that they're very eager to explore his story and his involvement in Talon
hazy vortex
That's what it was then, as I say I can't remember exactly and from what I remember hearing, it sounded probable
north flame
Yeah, a lot of the content creators took that as sigma is getting a short. Jeff just said he was interested in fleshing him out in the future possibly
But I imagine he's pretty high up on the shorts list now
worthy rose
Probably 2 weeks after they fix all the bugs
nova shore
if you wish for a zenyetta lore, say i :((
hazy vortex
Sigma is getting released on the first of September with role queue and the large balance patch
last inlet
It'd make sense to release him then. They also said they're cutting this season short
peak escarp
that's a long time for him to be on PTR
my guess is he goes live with the Aug 13 patch that brings the beta role queue season
so when Sept 1 and the new season hit, he'll be playable in comp
grand bluff
Yeah they said they wanted to do away with the comp wait for new heroes
peak escarp
plus the usual time between reveal and a hero going live is about 3 weeks
which would be Aug 13
grand bluff
I like this theory
quiet oracle
I'm 99% sure papa jeff said exactly that when he was on seagulls stream
peak escarp
he didn't
quiet oracle
“I think for [competitive], we’re gonna want to get Sigma in [competitive], I’m hoping Sept. 1,”
hazy vortex
Oh yeah it is comp on sep 1st
peak escarp
that's just for competitive
hallow flare
I have a theory c:
peak escarp
yes?
north flame
I think he'll be available in 222 beta once it hits live on the 13th
limpid agate
I'm thinking Sigma is a contender for strongest character in Overwatch
Joining the party (in my eyes) of Winston, Orisa, Reaper, and Sym.
grand bluff
Lore wise?
limpid agate
Of course
worthy rose
It really depends on how the gravity thing works.
limpid agate
It does
But an innate control of gravity is a powerful superhuman effect
Even if he has no time relativity manipulation
Gravity is powerful. They had to lock him up in a special facility just because of his singularities and insanity
worthy rose
Just looking at gameplay, it looks like he could probably crush someone to death
grand bluff
It does pose for a very interesting story and lore. I think the way they set him up has a big hand in it. The origin story was quite different to most we have seen
iron plume
funny you should bring that up, cause I think he's the best contender for the other "-est hero" discussion
I think he may straight up be the smartest one
limpid agate
One of, yeah
limpid agate
Contenders for that are probably Mei, Mercy, Moira, Torbjorn, Winston, and arguably under different circumstances Junkrat
peak escarp
Junkrat is the dark horse in that race, but I can see where you're coming from
limpid agate
He consistently makes high explosives and tools out of actual garbage
peak escarp
high INT low WIS
north flame
Junk is once of the smartest because he knows how to make something out of nothing, which is something I think only torb can do of the rest really
limpid agate
And Sym, but for different reasons
north flame
They live in a wasteland and he's making explosives from random stuff he finds just lying around ig
peak escarp
on just straight intelligence, I'd say it's between Sigma, Moira and Winston
limpid agate
No love for Mercy?
limpid agate
Id say shes an easy top 3
peak escarp
I was trying to narrow it down to three, and I had Mercy and Winston tied
iron plume
I'd say Moira, Mercy and Winston were roughly equal contenders before
but Sigma feels above them to me
orisa does have fortify
but she doesn't shine gold or anything
north flame
That's the dark storyline that gives that feeling
iron plume
she does the thing that or14s did in honor and glory, digging into the ground
north flame
If orisa has fortify, then she's strongest in lore imo
iron plume
eeehhh
north flame
Pretty easily
limpid agate
All of them have great feats of invention
peak escarp
iron plume
there's a difference between strength and endurance
peak escarp
fortify is basically this
iron plume
orisa is definitely close to if not the most durable
north flame
Orisa is a bunker. She has strength and endurance
grand bluff
Hm what about Ana?
iron plume
but that's not "strength"
north flame
Ana for strength or smarts?
grand bluff
Smarts haha
limpid agate
Mercy - Nanobiotic tech
Moira - Huge leaps in genetic manipulation
Winston - Solved Chronal Dissociation with minimal formal higher education
Sigma - Harnessed the harness
north flame
She has combat smarts
grand bluff
She did use Mercy tech so I suppose it's bunny hopping off mercy
peak escarp
she's a good tactician
iron plume
ana's smart but not really on the tier of several breakthrough scientists
peak escarp
but her smarts are more street smarts less academics
north flame
But minimal bio stuff
iron plume
or, you know
military tactics
limpid agate
Torb and Junkrat are fantastic engineers, but not scientists
peak escarp
Hammond too
limpid agate
Meis inventions are also not nearly as universally revolutionary are the other 4
north flame
Torb laid the groundwork for the majority of the droids it seems, and people branched off his work by recreating them
limpid agate
He created Wrecking Ball when he was ~4 years old
peak escarp
he'd be considered an engineer
peak escarp
north flame
I don't think that's enough to just outright qualify him, granted hes figured out how to manipulate some gravity with piledrive
limpid agate
Bruce was also an engineer, and Hammond built Wrecking Ball in his garage
I think Bruce may have worked alongside or even furthered his engineer training
north flame
I'm really stoked for blizzcon tbh
I hope we get some good lore involving mauga or echo
Aside from what we have on them both
peak escarp
they just had to start from scratch with Mauga
limpid agate
But his kit ended up being too different
peak escarp
he won't be ready until next year even if they start now
iron plume
I don't think it's straight up from scratch
north flame
Call me crazy, but I have a feeling he has a lot of his kit already done and he's near completion and in middle testing stage
limpid agate
Maugas saving grace is
iron plume
they must've had some other works for him
limpid agate
He will be faster
iron plume
but he's not the next
limpid agate
Than another hero
Because he takes a lot from the Heavy Assault
He won't take as long to create as a new hero from 100% scratch like Moira
north flame
I hope his shield is a ricochet with durability on it
limpid agate
So Genji
iron plume
I'd bet 1:1 on 32 being one of the three "not-going-to-be-31 girls"
Echo, Sojourn, Junkerqueen