#lore-discussion | Overwatch | Page 455

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 12:57 AM

#

also he did testing on himself that had nothing to do with what they were testing the animals for

#

they were increasing intelligence levels on animals and see how they cope with living on the moon

pearl portal Jul 23, 2019, 12:58 AM

#

soo im not great with the lore but was it only gorillas and hammond at the colony or were there more animals

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 12:58 AM

#

we dont know

#

we know it was mostly gorillas

#

but i doubt its all gorillas and one hamster

pearl portal Jul 23, 2019, 12:58 AM

#

a giraffe clearly

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 12:59 AM

#

they're going through all this to test animals, may as well take a couple different species up there

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 12:59 AM

#

2 things retcons, and surely making blackholes is safer away from all the humans

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 12:59 AM

#

it is, which is why he's in space

#

just probably not the horizon lunar colony

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:00 AM

#

Do any of the horizon scientists have dutch names?

pearl portal Jul 23, 2019, 1:01 AM

#

do we know any of the scientists besides winston

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:01 AM

#

in the origin trailer Sigma is in space, not on the moon

#

📎 nesskain-nesskain-2.png

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:01 AM

#

Gunshots, medbay or whatever

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:02 AM

#

Lucheng has a space station that had an emergency

#

📎 ScreenShot_19-05-21_16-10-48-000.jpg

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:02 AM

#

Circular

#

Seems about right then

pearl portal Jul 23, 2019, 1:05 AM

#

hmm true

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:06 AM

#

I would be surprised if this isn't the case

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:10 AM

#

Thats totally it man

#

2 warnings

#

One would be the blackhole area

#

The other looks kinda stuck on and turning around, could be either an escape pod or where talon borded

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:11 AM

#

lets hope for more interactions

#

something along the lines of "ah, the sight of one of my finest kills" on kings row

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:12 AM

#

Guys I just found this:

pearl portal Jul 23, 2019, 1:12 AM

#

hm

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:13 AM

#

oh

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:13 AM

#

nice find

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:13 AM

#

yeah I forgot you can't post images

pearl portal Jul 23, 2019, 1:13 AM

#

a link im guessin

#

oh

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:13 AM

#

I'll transcribe it

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:13 AM

#

So, the larger circular area has glitchy orange code

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:13 AM

#

post it elsewhere and copy the link

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:13 AM

#

Certainly the actual black hole spot

#

All around it are glitchy blue lines too

#

I reckon the smaller rotating sphere is where talon boarded, the other is the room where the magic happened

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:15 AM

#

Sigma uses his skills to be able to defend his allies in battle by absorbing the damage received to his robotic improvements. being a human shield. His mini rail gun helps him ward off enemies with damage and bleeding, Likewise it deploys an electric mesh in an entire area, safeguarding large scale areas.

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:16 AM

#

fake

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:16 AM

#

It's confirmed fake

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

#

it's the same hero kit as Nemesis from last year

#

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/nemesis-leaked-hero-29/238082

Overwatch Forums

Nemesis - leaked Hero 29

New character leaked, Nemesis A cyborg with railgun, high jump, electric nets, Regen, and call down nuke

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

#

a dead fake revived to be even less convincing

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

#

ah

#

whelp

#

Yeah it was posted like 8 hours ago

#

but the reveal trailer came out only 7 hours ago

prisma wren Jul 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

#

sigma has broken basically everything

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

#

also, Sigma doesn't seem to have any "robotic improvements"

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:17 AM

#

yeah

#

it's just armour

prisma wren Jul 23, 2019, 1:18 AM

#

i just want to know why the melody keeps on playing

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:18 AM

#

TALON?

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:18 AM

#

yes, talon

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:18 AM

#

He is described as a living weapon, so likely has unstable gravity like tracer has destable time

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:18 AM

#

it could he an auditory hallucination he hears during psychotic episodes

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:19 AM

#

Guys what do you think is up with his split personalities and forms?

#

Did the back hole experiment rip his mind apart?

#

and body

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:19 AM

#

It looks like he got split in 2

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:19 AM

#

or are they alternate versions of him?

#

no 3

#

he has three distinct personalities

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:20 AM

#

its very hazy at this point, he used to be just a scientist wanting to find out more about the universe, but something went wrong and caused him to go mad

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:20 AM

#

watch the origin vid from 1.00 exactly

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:20 AM

#

we dont know if he alternates between being normal and mad

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:20 AM

#

I don't think he was literally split

#

I think it was a visual metaphor

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:21 AM

#

for his personalities

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:21 AM

#

when the malfunction first starts happening, he is shown being split into two which ^^^ is probably a metaphor for his split personalities

#

his orbs also split into two in his idle screen

#

i think the three uniforms, as doctor suggested, are to just mark the different stages of his story

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:21 AM

#

though it could be that he actually has multiple personalities that control him at different times

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:21 AM

#

I think he will be a more seriously taken version of krieg from borderlands

#

He seems to have a violent side

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:22 AM

#

Though that might be too complicated gameplay wise

prisma wren Jul 23, 2019, 1:22 AM

#

as far as i can tell

#

he has a weak helpless personality

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:22 AM

#

I kinda read it as weak/ helpless mental-ward patient Sigma, controversial visionary/scientific extremist Sigma and War-mongering, destructive Sigma.

prisma wren Jul 23, 2019, 1:22 AM

#

scientist personality

#

and violent

#

personality

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:22 AM

#

yah

#

I just said that

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:23 AM

#

So krieg with 1 more personality

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:23 AM

#

yah

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:23 AM

#

winston has kind scientist mode and primal rage mode, widowmaker has amelie mode (which we've yet to hear back from) and assassin "i dont even feel the cold" mode, he'll be the first of his kind, but not totally unheard of

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:23 AM

#

a sympathetic one

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

#

Kriegs inner voice was in more power though

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

#

so a good and neutral and a bad personality in a way

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:24 AM

#

i still think her "i dont even feel the cold" line is her feeling the cold then denying it, how else would she know its there

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:25 AM

#

Since widowmaker was there, we know that moira was a part of talon whenever he was captured

prisma wren Jul 23, 2019, 1:25 AM

#

i wouldnt say helpless is good

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:25 AM

#

Do you think that the Violent side of him is the side that teams up with talon?

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:25 AM

#

Which might have been a while given graviton surge

prisma wren Jul 23, 2019, 1:25 AM

#

when hes helpless he seem crazy

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:25 AM

#

his overall instability is what talon took advantage of to get him on their side

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:25 AM

#

yeah

#

did they manipulate the experiment in a way?

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:25 AM

#

his core self presumably isnt a bad person

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:25 AM

#

Doubt it

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:26 AM

#

or are they actually controlling him

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:26 AM

#

I do not think Talon interfered

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:26 AM

#

Tweet says he is unaware though

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:26 AM

#

maybe with music?

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:26 AM

#

So his other 2 non violent personalities are the main ones?

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:26 AM

#

The music also appears to be before Talon retrieved him

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:26 AM

#

yeah

#

Maybe when they broke out Doomfist?

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:26 AM

#

@midnight shoal You can hear Widow's rifle, I don't think its the same prison.

#

It might be

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:27 AM

#

But then again what's a mental patient doing in a high security prison?

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:27 AM

#

But I doubt it

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:27 AM

#

so far we have two cases of "oh no something went wrong" (tracer and sigma) - coincidences that advance a story arent as good as a deeper meaning or purpose, but it was probably just an excuse to get them to where they are now as heroes

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:27 AM

#

He could be actually

#

It makes sense for him to be in a high security prison

prisma wren Jul 23, 2019, 1:27 AM

#

sigma was on the space station?

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:27 AM

#

I mean

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:27 AM

#

It doesnt make sense for him to become the hero in such a short time space

#

@prisma wren Possibly.

#

Not Horizon

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:27 AM

#

the violent side could have taken over

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:27 AM

#

But Lucheng

#

Lucheng has a space station too

prisma wren Jul 23, 2019, 1:27 AM

#

i wouldnt think horizon

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:27 AM

#

well i think the space station would actually have more errors if talon destroyed it

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:27 AM

#

And it also had an emergency

prisma wren Jul 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

#

yes

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

#

He might have been transferred back to earth first

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

#

@worthy rose His experiment would have destroyed it

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

#

Probs the space station

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

#

Not Talon

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

#

it could be where the experiment went down

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

#

Actually his experiment destroyed 1 room

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

#

I think he was on the space station before being committed/turned into a test subject

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

#

Go to lijang tower

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

#

Talon's earliest known involvement is retrieving him while he is "hearing music" and already subject sigma

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

#

and Talon rescued him from somewhere on Earth

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

#

1 room has an error and orange code stuff

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:28 AM

#

We dont know if Talon did anything earlier, but I doubt it

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:29 AM

#

I mean we don't know what happened between the experiment and him in prison

#

He could have done other stuff

#

Also do you guys think that his other personalities are un aware of what the others do/have done?

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:30 AM

#

He is described as unaware in a tweet

#

So yeah

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:30 AM

#

i think its a case of bad personality taking over against his will and fading out every now and then, essentially widowmaker 2.0 but talon didnt have to do any of the work

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:31 AM

#

Nah, his violent personality only talks in the armor iirc

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:31 AM

#

Maybe Talon is using something to keep the Violent side of him active

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:31 AM

#

talon manipulated him just like widow

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:32 AM

#

Or maybe he just think that he's researching with Talon and they have a mental trigger to get him to switch from scientist to warmonger?

#

Or are forcefully keeping him violent to control him?

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:32 AM

#

Again, we cannot say for certain

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:32 AM

#

Like a Hulk and Bruce banner thing

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:32 AM

#

How involved Talon is in his mental position

#

If at all

#

Its just speculation

#

Try not to frame it as certainty

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:33 AM

#

I mean he's supposed to be unaware of Talon using him as a weapon

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:33 AM

#

I think he was split into 2, then talon created his angry violent persona

#

The black whole scene shows 2, one either side

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:33 AM

#

he can be aware that he's working with Talon while still being unaware that they're just using him as a weapon

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:33 AM

#

Does that mean that ALL of him isn't aware or just some of his personanilites?

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:34 AM

#

he could think they consider him an ally, when really he's just a weapon

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:34 AM

#

Like he's been given funds by talon to continue his work

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:34 AM

#

my theory, his "release me" lines refer to his violent personality taking over him - which is also the personality that agreed to work with talon. it's not that he wants to be released from talon and they're holding him against his will, its that he wants to be released from the violent personality. said personality is also perfectly fine with whatever talon are making him do, just my guess.

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:34 AM

#

but they have a mental trigger to turn him into a mindless killing machine

#

Maybe the Violent side just likes killing.

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:35 AM

#

that seems like a bit of a stretch Jupit

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:35 AM

#

So it's doesn't care who it kills

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:35 AM

#

whats your take on it?

#

i want to know what he really wants to be released from

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:35 AM

#

I see two possibilities

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:36 AM

#

well, if someone who is being imprisoned against his will says "release me", it probably means that he wants them to release him

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:36 AM

#

talon granted him that wish, then

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:36 AM

#

Trapped in the event horizon?

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:36 AM

#

The question is

#

Who is he saying release me to

#

Talon

#

Or the violence

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:36 AM

#

or whoever was keeping him as a subject

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:37 AM

#

We dont know how involved Talon is in his mental state

#

IF at all

#

I dont think they are

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:37 AM

#

So that cinematic has his first event skins id say lol

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:37 AM

#

Which one

#

He had 4 outfits in it

#

Including default

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:37 AM

#

he might have some of those as his base legendaries

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:38 AM

#

but what with the "freedom, imprisonment, its all an illusion"? - to me, either talon "freed" him and he saw that he wasnt exactly being freed, or he got physically released but is imprisoned in his own mind

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:38 AM

#

I do not think he is a prisoner to Talon. I think he is a prisoner to himself.

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:38 AM

#

Sigma has no idea. I mean all personalities don't know. And Sigma Is either being forced to work for Talon or is willingly helping. But Talon is doing something to make him either develop his Violent side or makes sure it's in control to use him as a weapon. And his Violent personality is Just kill, kill, kill and doesn't know whats going on.

OR
2. The violent side Is aware of everything and agrees with Talon, but the other sides don't.

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:38 AM

#

I think Talon has nothing to do with his mental state

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:38 AM

#

thats what the whole eerie vibe suggests to me too

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:38 AM

#

A lot of people keep suggesting brainwashing because of Widow

#

Widow was never said to be brainwashed

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:38 AM

#

Freedom is being away from the voids pull, imprisonment is being stuck in the event horizon, with his mastery over gravity, both are an illusion

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:39 AM

#

She was said to be conditioned

#

And genetically altered

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:40 AM

#

He literally describes gravity as a harness

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:40 AM

#

I'm not saying they created the personality. I saying they're trying to get it to take over/be stronger

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:40 AM

#

he looked pretty proud of himself in that final group shot, i think violent sigma likes where he is.

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:40 AM

#

He says freedom outside in space, he says imprisonment when the black hole is on screen

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:40 AM

#

So he is aware

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:40 AM

#

They could be influencing him in that state

#

I can agree to that

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:40 AM

#

yeah.

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:40 AM

#

But creating it or having any involvement in that

#

I disagree

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

#

No

#

I'm not suggesting that

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

#

if sigma could just rip the world to shreds why doesnt talon use him more often

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

#

who says he can?

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

#

He probably has limits

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

#

^

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

#

that would make sense

#

but he does create a singularity

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

#

So?

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

#

Submissive "Normal "persona is the one trapped in the void, his "scientist" persona is at the edge of the horizon, seeing both. his dominant "Violent" persona is the one free to run amok

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

#

and besides, we havent heard of that many talon missions yet

#

museum, mondatta, what else?

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:42 AM

#

Nice summary @worthy rose

#

@lament prawn Volskya?

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:42 AM

#

ah yeah, that

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 1:42 AM

#

assassination of overwatch's leader iirc

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:42 AM

#

like mondatta, it was meant to be a clean kill on katya and thats it, but sombra had other plans

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:43 AM

#

IF talon could brainwash, why wouldnt they just kidnap every overwatch hero and brainwash them rather than kill them

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 1:43 AM

#

they dont have space for all of them i guess

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:43 AM

#

easier said than done

#

also bad writing

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:43 AM

#

@flint sequoia assassination of who?

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 1:43 AM

#

that one guy

#

widows husband i think

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:43 AM

#

Gerard

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 1:43 AM

#

former

#

yeah him

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:44 AM

#

he wasn't Overwatch's leader

#

he was a specialist who focused on anti-Talon operations

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 1:44 AM

#

oof

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:45 AM

#

we might be building him up too much just due to the sudden tone shift in their origin stories, we dont know his limits

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:45 AM

#

they tried repeatedly and failed, so they kidnapped his wife and turned her into a sleeper agent

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:45 AM

#

Read up @flint sequoia

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:45 AM

#

the tone in the video symbolized his insanity

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:45 AM

#

his armor has pieces that just float

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:45 AM

#

yah

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:45 AM

#

He must have mastery of gravity

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:45 AM

#

Magneto anyone?

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:45 AM

#

zenyatta floats, hammond's mech has pieces on it that float

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:46 AM

#

(I mean in the sense that he can make things float)

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:46 AM

#

also mercy literally floats? (her wings cant be doing the work)

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:46 AM

#

I mean. If we keep theorising about Sigma we're just going to be disappointed when we are wrong or don't get what we want.

#

Cars float

#

Like magnetism is a thing

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:47 AM

#

Basically none of zenyatta is canon, mercy is basically healing magic, hammond is magnets

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:47 AM

#

Hovering isa thing

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:47 AM

#

i dont really mind what we get, kinda wanna stray away from his lore at this point lmao

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:47 AM

#

I mean

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:47 AM

#

its just fun to theorize, nothing's a fact at this point

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:47 AM

#

they came up with a cool and really interesting idea.

pearl portal Jul 23, 2019, 1:48 AM

#

aight so jetpack cat fellas

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:48 AM

#

they really did, not gonna deny that

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:49 AM

#

behold

#

📎 jetpackcat.png

#

jetpack cat

#

you're welcome

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:49 AM

#

woo

pearl portal Jul 23, 2019, 1:49 AM

#

next hero right there

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:49 AM

#

Do you think that his multiple personalities are a result of his mind being split apart or are they from alternate timelines/universes as Black holes are theorised to be wormholes.

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:49 AM

#

oh no the people on twitter are gonna be mad because jetpack cat is white

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:49 AM

#

Oh no

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:50 AM

#

😂

pearl portal Jul 23, 2019, 1:50 AM

#

oh no

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:50 AM

#

/s

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:50 AM

#

I don't think he has multiple personalities

#

but that's just me

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 1:51 AM

#

well...

#

We can all be wrong

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:52 AM

#

"i will bring you a new understanding of the univiolence"

#

i think the idea of something taking over him into a more violent path is being pushed

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:53 AM

#

or those are two phrases from different parts of his life and the story is being told in a non-linear way

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:54 AM

#

whether he has two distinct personalities, or has one that's very unstable, we don't know

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:54 AM

#

I'm glad my sigma leak came to surface

#

I hope this hasn't been said already but

#

Is there any correlation with Sigma and Tracer's Chrono Accelerator?

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:55 AM

#

sure they're telling the story in non-linear fashion to symbolize his insanity but putting those two lines back to back - one calm, one violent, was a deliberate artistic choice, we just dont know what exactly it means yet

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:55 AM

#

Or I should say, is it possible that there is one

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:55 AM

#

i theorized about him having a connection with tracer a few days ago, but now i dont want that to be the case lol

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 1:56 AM

#

not likely to be any connection

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:58 AM

#

Is there any info on what exactly the background on the material that made up tracer's CA?

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 1:59 AM

#

likely to be the same tech used on the slipstream (the jet she was supposed to test pilot)

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

#

probably

#

Winston probably reverse engineered the teleportation matrix to make it

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 2:01 AM

#

im only asking bc it seemed like he was phasing in and out of existence

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 2:02 AM

#

i dont think we know what exactly was going on with him

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 2:02 AM

#

fair

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 2:02 AM

#

tracer was fading into different times, not out of existence

#

and he didnt have the signature blue hue she has

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 2:02 AM

#

true, that's fair

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

#

doesnt necessarily rule out that he may have worked on the slipstream project, considering his line of work might relate to the way time functions, but nothing's been confirmed or denied yet

midnight shoal Jul 23, 2019, 2:04 AM

#

What he said

#

anyway.

#

I gtg

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 2:05 AM

#

Slipstream was an Overwatch project

#

I think if he worked for Overwatch they would have mentioned it

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

#

yeah, good point

restive flower Jul 23, 2019, 2:15 AM

#

They should've casually tossed the name "Sigma" in the Baptiste short story

#

That way, Sigma's reveal would be less out of the blue

glacial siren Jul 23, 2019, 2:16 AM

#

Are we forgetting that Zarya already uses a black hole for her Ult. Pore Plot Development

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 2:16 AM

#

she doesn't use a black hole

glacial siren Jul 23, 2019, 2:16 AM

#

Whats her ult then?

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 2:16 AM

#

she uses a graviton surge

glacial siren Jul 23, 2019, 2:16 AM

#

HmMmMmM

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 2:16 AM

#

gravitons are particles that affect gravity

glacial siren Jul 23, 2019, 2:16 AM

#

Whats a ga=raviton Surge

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 2:16 AM

#

it's something made up for Overwatch, but gravitons are a real theory

#

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton

Graviton

In theories of quantum gravity, the graviton is the hypothetical quantum of gravity, an elementary particle that mediates the force of gravity. There is no complete quantum field theory of gravitons due to an outstanding mathematical problem with renormalization in general re...

glacial siren Jul 23, 2019, 2:17 AM

#

Dude. Its basically a black hole. Because in case u cant tell, a graviton surge occurs when there is a black hole. Nothing else can form one thay strong

restive flower Jul 23, 2019, 2:17 AM

#

TIL gravitons aren't confirmed to exist

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 2:18 AM

#

it doesn't look like a black hole, and it doesn't act like a black hole

glacial siren Jul 23, 2019, 2:18 AM

#

What do u thik a black hole is?

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 2:18 AM

#

black holes distort things and even light can't escape them

glacial siren Jul 23, 2019, 2:19 AM

#

They also emit insane grav pulls that can drag in objects and people

restive flower Jul 23, 2019, 2:19 AM

#

huh. I always thought gravitons were part of the elementary particle table. Guess not.

glacial siren Jul 23, 2019, 2:19 AM

#

And small ones can disipate

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 2:24 AM

#

Graviton Surge - Zarya launches a gravity bomb that draws in enemy combatants and deals damage while they’re trapped.

#

even in her ability description, it's not called a black hole

#

it's a gravity bomb

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 2:32 AM

#

im waaay late but whomst http://prntscr.com/oiq0m0

#

is this related to:
sombra: "you know, ive seen reinhardts overwatch file"
brigitte: "what are you getting at?"

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 2:36 AM

#

Probably not.

#

That character is from First Strike

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 2:37 AM

#

okay must've missed that

#

but they're directly connected to this myserious organization that sombra is trying to get to

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 2:41 AM

#

Sombra's trailer came out before First Strike was cancelled

north flame Jul 23, 2019, 3:10 AM

#

Black holes technically do not pull like you claim. It's just a concentrated area of gravity with a decent influence on the area around it. If it was a black hole, it'd be a solo kill ult because it would rip people to pieces as soon as it collapsed

untold cradle Jul 23, 2019, 3:11 AM

#

Black holes literally just tear apart matter.

north flame Jul 23, 2019, 3:11 AM

#

On top of that, feeding it would make it gain mass and actually last longer, so your claim is weak when you apply real physics

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 3:16 AM

#

technically he made a singularity bc if it was a full on black hole he would have died instantly

crisp ferry Jul 23, 2019, 3:28 AM

#

Well he didn't say he was creating a black hole, he said we would be able to harness the power of a black hole ( He is obviously referring to Sigma )

gritty oxide Jul 23, 2019, 3:28 AM

#

We can all agree that ow physics is fucked and shouldnt need to be justified

#

See: tracer, reaper, etc

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 3:35 AM

#

with those people yes but sigma needs explaining

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 3:49 AM

#

Saw an interesting theory

#

Sigma's name is because

#

He is the sum of his personalities

#

In addition to the science reference in it being a common symbol

strange pivot Jul 23, 2019, 3:51 AM

#

i wonder what the Dropship monitor in the Recall short is about

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 3:56 AM

#

im so confused with this origin story but im pretty sure everyone is

#

so how did he go from his lab to a stretcher looking thing

#

and the floor went away and a singularity pulled it back together

hasty surge Jul 23, 2019, 3:57 AM

#

How many personalities does he have and how does a black hole cause multiple personality disorder?

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 3:57 AM

#

the trailer jumps around a lot

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 3:57 AM

#

i think when it shows him in the armor it's the future of him

#

the timeframe in the trailer is likely when he was still under the effects of the incident

restive flower Jul 23, 2019, 3:58 AM

#

My interpretation of his origin story is
He was a scientist messing with black holes, but because of an accident, "Sigma" (I'm calling his evil personality that) was born.
The scientist wakes up in the process of being locked up. He does not know why, but it's because Sigma joined Talon and did evil things. Sigma was defeated and was captured. The scientist regained his sanity at that moment.

#

So in the PoV of the scientist, there was an accident and the next thing he remembers is waking up in prison.

#

Sigma says "RELEASE ME" and it cuts to him posing evilly

#

Talon breaks in and frees Sigma

#

The melody is probably a trigger to release the "Sigma" personality, i.e. Talon's brainwashing

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 3:59 AM

#

sigma is probably the most powerful member of talon how could he be defeated

restive flower Jul 23, 2019, 4:00 AM

#

We have no idea what his abilities are

#

just because he controls gravity doesn't mean he's strong

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 4:00 AM

#

what

restive flower Jul 23, 2019, 4:00 AM

#

Just because you control gravity doesn't mean you're strong

📎 latest.png

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 4:01 AM

#

do you know what you could do if you controlled gravity

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 4:04 AM

#

A picture was posted of a character who can control gravity

#

Gravity Manipulation by definition is not game ending.

📎 gravity-rush-remastered-listing-thumb-01-ps4-us-17nov15.png

#

Even Graviton is just strictly worse Magneto

📎 450.png

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 4:07 AM

#

ok but im talking about how the manipulation of gravity would be ridiculous with real life physics

#

you would also have manipulation of time

#

you could incinerate your enemies

#

it isnt just "i can make myself float and enemies fly"

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 4:09 AM

#

The only characters I can think of who can do that are

#

From Interstellar: ||The transdimensional beings||
From Jojo: ||Pucci||
From Doctor Who: Timelords

dense estuary Jul 23, 2019, 4:12 AM

#

Honestly considering the other stuff we see going on in this setting a guy with some gravity manipulation capability is not out of left field.

odd escarp Jul 23, 2019, 4:13 AM

#

hey guys in 1:45 in the sigma video there is a barcode and with the barcode reading app I got to the number "12117888" do you know what that means? xD

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 4:13 AM

#

gravity manipulation is not simple whatsoever

#

we still dont know the potential of black holes

dense estuary Jul 23, 2019, 4:14 AM

#

could just be an inmate number since he was wearing orange

#

a possible search point though would be to see if that number comes up in other blizzard properties to know if its a lore thing or blizzard thing.

#

we do know the setting has limited gravity control as evidenced by Zarya's weapon and the fact that a large moon base exists as well as all vehicles hover.

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 4:17 AM

#

they have limited gravity control

dense estuary Jul 23, 2019, 4:17 AM

#

large moon base would mean something far more efficient for cracking orbit than chemical rocketry.

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 4:17 AM

#

sigma literally harnessed the power of gravity

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 4:18 AM

#

You're reading too into literal words as well as real world physics

dense estuary Jul 23, 2019, 4:18 AM

#

still not terribly out of norm for the tech level of the setting honestly.

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 4:19 AM

#

Symmetra already breaks the fundamental laws for conservation of mass

dense estuary Jul 23, 2019, 4:19 AM

#

let us not forget that Project Slipstream was working with teleportation.

#

odds are they had successful drone runs before the Tracer incident

#

then there is widowmaker...

odd escarp Jul 23, 2019, 4:24 AM

#

sorry just writting now, the orange was in the asylum probably? this barcode is in his fight suit, ingame, we can see it in the end where he happears ingame!! 😮 ugh this is too much for IDK xD

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 4:25 AM

#

Barcodes almost always mean nothing

#

There may have been exactly 1 that mattered. May

#

The numbers shouldn't mean anything. Blizz just likes using barcodes in their designs

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 4:28 AM

#

he bought his suit from walmart

#

thats how the cashier scanned it

north flame Jul 23, 2019, 4:29 AM

#

So when I heard the short backwards, I heard It's inside me or something similar to that when he was on the stretcher. Was I hearing things?

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 4:30 AM

#

@north flame He says a lot of things reversed

#

Mostly things he said the forwards way though

#

"Release me"

#

"I've done it"

north flame Jul 23, 2019, 4:31 AM

#

I heard those, but that one caught my attention because he hadn't said it before that in the normal playthrough

#

It's possible I misheard since I was doing other stuff, so I wanted to know if I was solo on this or not

#

It's possible the singularity merged a few of him together from a multiverse

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 4:50 AM

#

thats what im wondering, how does a malfunction in his experiment lead to him being violent

#

mentally unstable or a concussion or something sure, but how that?

#

another reality where he was evil?

#

its way too much a stretch and im doubting it

#

also whoever pointed out the melody being a trigger might be onto something

#

we heard what is presumably his normal self going crazy over it with the “what is that melody?!” in a sort of like “get it out of my head” manner

#

before it takes over him i guess

rugged spade Jul 23, 2019, 5:01 AM

#

I think he might've gone insane trying to figure out the solution to his experiment

#

and the black hole failure just sorta threw it all out of whack

#

you're right, it's a stretch

#

but then again

#

Hammond

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 5:41 AM

#

what

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 6:09 AM

#

https://twitter.com/BorisHiestand/status/1153542444610465792?s=20

Boris Hiestand (@BorisHiestand)

@FroggySurprise Sigma is Dutch.

last inlet Jul 23, 2019, 6:28 AM

#

I'm guessing he'd know if they had him do lines in Dutch

#

Or just gave him basic background lol

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 6:31 AM

#

i assumed the violence part of his personality was a reference to how black holes are also destructive by adding to themselves.

he is after all a sum of 3 personalities (id, ego, superego) that were stretched apart.
id - def his armored talon version
ego - the broken version of him in the orange suit
superego - his scientist self

???

wise dragon Jul 23, 2019, 6:52 AM

#

I’m just gonna say that Sigma could very well be an entire league above Doomfist in terms of power scaling

#

Controlling the very laws of the universe is something Doomfist could only dream of doing

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 6:54 AM

#

I'm pretty sure Sigma is not just upscaling DF, he is upscaling most if not all characters

#

*that we know of

wise dragon Jul 23, 2019, 6:55 AM

#

Doomfist would probably be the next most powerful

#

At least of what we know of

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 6:55 AM

#

I mean, at this point, we gotta define what powerful really means

wise dragon Jul 23, 2019, 6:56 AM

#

Well true. I’m kinda defining it as “combat strength”.

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 6:56 AM

#

Strength as in physical strength?

wise dragon Jul 23, 2019, 6:56 AM

#

Political power is a whole different realm, and Sombra pretty much has that on lockdown

#

Doomfist or Winston probably has the most physical strength, but bending the laws of the universe could curbstomp pretty much anyone if Sigma truly has the ability to do so

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 6:58 AM

#

We have people like Sym or Sanjay, whose capabilities we don't really know

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 6:58 AM

#

dont they just bend light. hard light objects? sigma would just eat those up.

wise dragon Jul 23, 2019, 6:59 AM

#

Sym can create objects from light

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 6:59 AM

#

Thats if sanjay even uses hardlight tech

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 6:59 AM

#

not even light can escape a black hole

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 6:59 AM

#

He is only a negotiator

#

He probably doesnt even know how to use hardlight

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:01 AM

#

I mean, then we have Orisa

#

If we're talking physical strength

wise dragon Jul 23, 2019, 7:02 AM

#

Orisa is designed specifically to counter Doomfist

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:02 AM

#

She's an omnic

#

If we're talking pure physical strength

#

Does muscle beat metal?

wise dragon Jul 23, 2019, 7:02 AM

#

But those abilities might be somewhat useful against Sigma too

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:03 AM

#

Again, it depends what kind of powerful we are talking about here

wise dragon Jul 23, 2019, 7:03 AM

#

We also don’t know the full extent of Sigma’s capabilities yet

#

Just that he can control gravity

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:03 AM

#

Physically, I doubt he's very strong

wise dragon Jul 23, 2019, 7:04 AM

#

His physical strength is probably not good

#

Comparatively

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:04 AM

#

I think that the strongest character physically is either Orisa or Reinhardt

#

Doomfist seems to do most of the heavy lifiting with his prosthetic arm and the gauntlet

#

I'm just wondering, would Sigma be able to truly kill Reaper?

wise dragon Jul 23, 2019, 7:06 AM

#

Doomfist punched down a concrete wall with his bare fists

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:07 AM

#

That was his prosthetic

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 7:08 AM

#

hi

#

sigmas origin story was insane

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:08 AM

#

Reaper doesn't die normally, since he literally can't. But since Sigma messes with gravity and space and such, would he be able to kill him?

wise dragon Jul 23, 2019, 7:08 AM

#

Dude the origin story trailer was a trip and a half

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

#

xd

#

idk what to say

#

i was like wow

#

blizz

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

#

I find it strange that Helix didn't take DF's prosthetic

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

#

maybe it was more of an implant

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

#

helix?

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:09 AM

#

Helix Security

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:10 AM

#

removing it would cause harm

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:10 AM

#

Its possible

#

I always imagined the gauntlet came on instead of the prosthetic

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 7:11 AM

#

same

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:11 AM

#

But I guess its possible

#

And yet still

#

Do you think Sigma can truly kill Reaper

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:12 AM

#

yes. by turning him into a singularity 👀

#

if it has mass of any kind...it will be consumed.

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:13 AM

#

That's what I was thinking

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 7:13 AM

#

idk

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:13 AM

#

But I feel like the black holes of Overwatch aren't exactly black holes

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:13 AM

#

well, zarya's arent

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:14 AM

#

If it was a real black hole, the Earth would literally collapse in on itself, no matter how small or big it was. Even if it was really small, it would still do a lot of potential damage.

#

All the black hole seemed to do there was just some damage to a (space station?)

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:15 AM

#

unless they are unstable and break apart soon after creation

wise dragon Jul 23, 2019, 7:15 AM

#

It did separate Sigma’s personality

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:15 AM

#

in which they prob spit out everything all mangled/destroyed or just explode? idk

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:15 AM

#

That's why I am saying that in concept, the black holes seem to be quite different

#

Maybe his was some sort of copy?

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:16 AM

#

well his experiment failed right? so his maths was wrong but it was just correct enough to cause damage.

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:17 AM

#

He trapped it

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:17 AM

#

but like..we cant really know until we get his voicelines

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:17 AM

#

But the black hole still had some effect on him

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:17 AM

#

~~it is trapped within him~~

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:17 AM

#

Honestly, the game is becoming so much more 'sci-fi'/'fiction' than before

#

In the beginning, a lot of things seemed to be quite believable, and things that could happen in the upcoming future

wise dragon Jul 23, 2019, 7:19 AM

#

I mean we also had Reaper in the beginning

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:19 AM

#

IT IS @nimble solstice

#

It's 2076 boi

#

Ofc

#

I love my internet

#

It sends one message for 5 minutes

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:20 AM

#

i get that sometimes

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:20 AM

#

2076 isn't that far away

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:20 AM

#

:[

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:20 AM

#

Over 50 years from now

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:20 AM

#

Collecting and containing black holes is literally so far out there

#

We have 0 idea what a black hole even is

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:20 AM

#

sometimes the truth is stranger than science fiction 👀

small lake Jul 23, 2019, 7:22 AM

#

Sigma, some believe he is Greek, if we play the video backwards is any of the message in greek? anyone know how to identify it or understand it?

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:22 AM

#

@fringe blade it's a thing so dense, that even light can't get out of it

#

We know a lot of things about it

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:22 AM

#

That is pretty much it

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:22 AM

#

But it's still a fraction of we'll know in the future

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:22 AM

#

they are the true eater of worlds

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:23 AM

#

Basically the only thing we know is that its a star that collapsed in on itself, and is insanely dense, so dense that it interacts with light and time.

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:23 AM

#

@small lake nope, he just says sth like release me or what's that melody

#

@fringe blade everything with mass interacts with time

#

And light

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:23 AM

#

~~this is the melody~~: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e5-0t0pTF0 🎵

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:24 AM

#

Slowing and speeding up time only happens around a black hole

small lake Jul 23, 2019, 7:24 AM

#

I heard Get out!

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:24 AM

#

But a black hole just doesn't let it get out

#

Nope

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:24 AM

#

they sometimes do

#

rarely

#

but they do

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:25 AM

#

That's not really how that works

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:25 AM

#

@fringe blade the closer you are to a massive thing the faster time passes by

#

It doesn't have to be a black hole

small lake Jul 23, 2019, 7:25 AM

#

"Hold it together", "Release me", "What's the melody?", "Get out!"

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:25 AM

#

Yes

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:26 AM

#

Black holes are an extreme example

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:26 AM

#

Those calls for help

#

@fringe blade I can agree with that

small lake Jul 23, 2019, 7:26 AM

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEjTpDXINXA 1:23

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:26 AM

#

Sure, it slows down near massive bodies

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:26 AM

#

it slows when you go faster

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:26 AM

#

But near black holes, it doesn't stop, but as far as we know, it goes unbelievably slow

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:26 AM

#

But it speeds up

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:27 AM

#

Slows down

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:27 AM

#

Speeds up

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:27 AM

#

listen to the link i gave you to get lernt

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:27 AM

#

"However black holes are even stranger than that. As you get closer to a black hole, the flow of time slows down, compared to flow of time far from the hole."

#

Harvard University

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:27 AM

#

~~its from 2013 but still~~

small lake Jul 23, 2019, 7:28 AM

#

"Abilities Harness" is also mentioned in it.

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:28 AM

#

do you think time slows down because the simulation is having a hard time calculating all the captured loot in the black hole

small lake Jul 23, 2019, 7:28 AM

#

"Gravity is a harness"

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:28 AM

#

👀

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:29 AM

#

Time is relative

small lake Jul 23, 2019, 7:29 AM

#

I wonder... the jumble, maybe that's a sign of time speeding up.. so what If I slowed the video down? be right back.

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:29 AM

#

Still

#

Time will go slower near a black hole than, say, on Earth

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:30 AM

#

I'm fuccing mindblown atm

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:30 AM

#

Why

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:30 AM

#

Bc it's summer vacation

#

And I'm forced to

#

T h i n k

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:30 AM

#

lmao

small lake Jul 23, 2019, 7:30 AM

#

So slowing it to the Max, sounds like he says "Nothing Else Matters"

#

"Is everywhere?" hmm...

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:31 AM

#

???

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:31 AM

#

Where are you getting this from

#

lmao

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:32 AM

#

the universe smh

small lake Jul 23, 2019, 7:32 AM

#

The video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEjTpDXINXA I've slowed it down to the Max.

#

The video is backwards.

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:33 AM

#

You know, if you slow it down even more, he says 'I am the Unnamed Omnic'. Legit info

small lake Jul 23, 2019, 7:33 AM

#

He's a monster? free me?

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:33 AM

#

If you slow down anything you can hear anything

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:33 AM

#

sounds like sigma talk.

#

to me

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:34 AM

#

People hear what they want to hear

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:34 AM

#

Exactly

timid nebula Jul 23, 2019, 7:34 AM

#

What if everything he says back words leads to a whole sentence

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:34 AM

#

Nah

small lake Jul 23, 2019, 7:34 AM

#

Oh finally, someone who thinks out side the box, no offence.

timid nebula Jul 23, 2019, 7:35 AM

#

no offence taken

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:35 AM

#

Its honestly kind of annoying when people start to pull at tiny straws that make almost no sense, just because they want to feel like they are doing something productive

quaint plume Jul 23, 2019, 7:36 AM

#

We'll know today

#

When he gets on ptr

#

I'm womdering if he has some dialogue interactions with other characters

small lake Jul 23, 2019, 7:37 AM

#

Actually, I'm doing it because I find it fun and fascinating to tug at the small details that could lead to something else, plus I like comparing notes to others, I'm just doing tests on the same thing while noting changes if they are there or not. plus bored.

timid nebula Jul 23, 2019, 7:38 AM

#

try to record it and play it back reversed you might get a clearer understanding as to what he is saying

small lake Jul 23, 2019, 7:39 AM

#

I need to go have dinner, I'll try that later if I remember to, bye for now. 👋

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:39 AM

#

You know, if you raise the sound volume by 13 percent, then play it at 0:53 and listen for precisely 13 seconds while using 1 earbud, you definitely hear the words "Help me, I was kidnapped and tortured"

#

Try it!

timid nebula Jul 23, 2019, 7:40 AM

#

how did you even find that -.-

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:40 AM

#

Sigma is not Greek

#

he's Dutch

timid nebula Jul 23, 2019, 7:40 AM

#

im Grek

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:40 AM

#

I am just trying every option!!

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:40 AM

#

also

#

!!shitposting @fringe blade

twilit nacelleBOT Jul 23, 2019, 7:41 AM

#

@fringe blade Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:41 AM

#

I am not shitposting, just sharing something that I found!!

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:42 AM

#

it doesn't say that

#

you're making things up

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:42 AM

#

But I 100% did that and heard the words "Help me, I was kidnapped and tortured"

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:43 AM

#

@fringe blade The sigma video?

#

In reverse ?

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:43 AM

#

no you didn't

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:43 AM

#

Yeah, those aren't in the video.

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:43 AM

#

because it isn't there

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:43 AM

#

You wanna hear things so you are hearing them

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:43 AM

#

I am kidding of course

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:43 AM

#

OH.....sure...ofc

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:43 AM

#

Dude

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:43 AM

#

SUREEEE...you were kidding

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:44 AM

#

"You know, if you raise the sound volume by 13 percent, then play it at 0:53 and listen for precisely 13 seconds while using 1 earbud, you definitely hear the words "Help me, I was kidnapped and tortured"

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:44 AM

#

this isn't the place for "kidding"

#

this is a serious discussion channel

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:44 AM

#

@fringe blade U also said u aren't shitposting

#

Which one of your replies do we believe

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:44 AM

#

none

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:45 AM

#

Anyway I hope we get some interaction between Sigma and Zarya

#

Commenting about Zarya's Graviton gun

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:45 AM

#

I understand that people can have theories, but I find it frustrating when people try to make connections that don't make much sense and try to convince others about them

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:45 AM

#

I think it's made using tech/research Sigma created

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:45 AM

#

Sigma studies black holes

#

Zarya doesn't use black holes

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:46 AM

#

Gravity

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:46 AM

#

she uses a "gravity bomb"

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:46 AM

#

Sigma literally says Gravity is a harness

#

And I have Harnessed the harness

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:46 AM

#

doesn't mean they have to be related

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:46 AM

#

And Zarya has a Graviton Surge ability

#

@peak escarp I mean there is literally an ability in the video shown 3 times that looks extremely similar to Graviton Surge

dusty fable Jul 23, 2019, 7:47 AM

#

sigma is gru

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:47 AM

#

that was a black hole

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:47 AM

#

The black hole ball

#

@peak escarp That's what Zarya shoots out

#

Of her gun

#

Her Ult

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:47 AM

#

no it isn't

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:47 AM

#

Its not a black hole

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:47 AM

#

it doesn't look like that

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:47 AM

#

And just because it has to do with gravity doesnt make it a black hole

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:48 AM

#

We'll see, hopefully Jeff gives more info in Dev update

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:48 AM

#

itsn ot a black hole because the one in sigma's vid is drawn like a black hole

#

but zarya's graviton surge isnt displayed like one in game

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:48 AM

#

I wish Chu did updates like that

#

But strictly lore related

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:48 AM

#

yeah

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:48 AM

#

@fringe blade Chu is never even working

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:48 AM

#

...?

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:48 AM

#

a lore dev update would be nice

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:48 AM

#

He is almost always travelling

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:49 AM

#

...no?

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:49 AM

#

If you follow him on Twitter

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:49 AM

#

he travels for work

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:49 AM

#

He is always at cons, events and all

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:49 AM

#

they do a lot of location scouting

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:49 AM

#

@peak escarp K-pop concerts aren't work

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:49 AM

#

he's also allowed to have a life

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:49 AM

#

by that definition im dead

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:49 AM

#

That's weird logic

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:49 AM

#

do you expect him to be working 24/7?

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:49 AM

#

No....

#

I didn't say that

#

But he is always travelling

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:49 AM

#

and?

#

he still manages to do his work

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:50 AM

#

remote work exists

#

case n point, i work remotely

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:50 AM

#

otherwise we'd never get any new heroes or new maps

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:50 AM

#

Alyssa Wong wrote the baptise story

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:50 AM

#

so i can work while laying in bed in my pajamas

and he can work from the beach he's tanning on or whatever

#

lol

late torrent Jul 23, 2019, 7:51 AM

#

Considering all he has to do is set general line for the story...

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:51 AM

#

@nimble solstice Well, his work specifically requires him to work his team.

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:51 AM

#

i know

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:51 AM

#

@late torrent That I can accept

#

That he comes up with big pictures

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:51 AM

#

i work with pipeline work too

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:51 AM

#

Like a show runner

#

But doesn't actually write much himself

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:51 AM

#

you can talk to a team on slack

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:51 AM

#

I don't think he does a lot of writing exactly, he just tells his team what, who where etc.

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:52 AM

#

and apps like that

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:52 AM

#

And you know....maybe he's working on OW2

late torrent Jul 23, 2019, 7:52 AM

#

It's not like he does every single small thing

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:52 AM

#

Mostly

rich oriole Jul 23, 2019, 7:52 AM

#

Maybe sigmas ability is he throws the little orbs and they are mini Zarya ults?

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:52 AM

#

The PvE story game

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 7:52 AM

#

I'm just tired of people shitting on Chu when he doesn't deserve it

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:52 AM

#

@rich oriole Nahh they already did that

#

With Halt

#

I think they'll be mini holes

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:52 AM

#

tbh a lot of people dont know how pipelines work

#

for games

#

n stuff

boreal igloo Jul 23, 2019, 7:52 AM

#

That will suck an amount of incoming damage

#

And throw that damage back out

#

Through a second hole, a white hole.

#

Of sorts

rich oriole Jul 23, 2019, 7:54 AM

#

I JUST NOW NOTICED

#

In the trailer

#

In his right hand the black hole is redish orange and the left hand black hole is blue

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:55 AM

#

now you're thinking with portals

rich oriole Jul 23, 2019, 7:55 AM

#

O fuck

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:55 AM

#

also, imma look

rich oriole Jul 23, 2019, 7:55 AM

#

No way

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:55 AM

#

That represents his split personalities

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:55 AM

#

o tru

rich oriole Jul 23, 2019, 7:56 AM

#

Wait at the end when he says keep it together what does it say in reverse right after?

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:56 AM

#

release me

#

i think.

rich oriole Jul 23, 2019, 7:57 AM

#

Wait

#

Maybe

#

Hmmm

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 7:57 AM

#

thats why i say that in his search for the black hole, he became one.

#

in terms of personality

rich oriole Jul 23, 2019, 7:57 AM

#

I’m just like brainstorming anything rn I just want to kno so bad wht this boi do

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:58 AM

#

DUTCH

#

Thats what it way

#

was*

rich oriole Jul 23, 2019, 7:58 AM

#

O it was in Dutch?

#

Why did it say?

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 7:59 AM

#

He's Dutch

#

most likely

#

I knew i knew that accent

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 8:01 AM

#

also like

#

does he float

#

????

#

when they show his ingame animation at the end of it, he moves up n down like he floats a bit.

long warren Jul 23, 2019, 8:02 AM

#

The start of the sigma origin story- in the part that says "origin story" in reverse certain letters change and turn yellow- spelling out Dutch for "RELEASE ME"

#

So he is likely dutch

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 8:03 AM

#

He's def not floating

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 8:03 AM

#

its too awkward for an idle standing animation.

long warren Jul 23, 2019, 8:03 AM

#

Do yall think sigma is just insane- has tripolar disorder- or has multiple versions of himself trapped within the 1 body

#

Also at the end its not Idle

#

I think its a regular emote- or perhaps his Heroic Emote

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 8:04 AM

#

its an emote

long warren Jul 23, 2019, 8:04 AM

#

So of course pose will be awkward

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 8:04 AM

#

i know but he still looks like he floats

#

it shouldnt be awkard tho or thats just bad animating.

long warren Jul 23, 2019, 8:04 AM

#

Maybe its meant to be awkward?

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 8:05 AM

#

saying this as someone who knows about animation

#

in 2d and 3d.

long warren Jul 23, 2019, 8:05 AM

#

I mean he is insane

#

The description descibes him as eccentric

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 8:05 AM

#

I think it fits his personality

long warren Jul 23, 2019, 8:05 AM

#

Yeah

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 8:05 AM

#

yes but the movement he does doesnt represent that description

dusty fable Jul 23, 2019, 8:06 AM

#

I think hes either insane or experiencing multiple realities

pine hill Jul 23, 2019, 8:07 AM

#

those are not mutually exclusive

long warren Jul 23, 2019, 8:08 AM

#

I feel like they are when it comes to Overwatch

dusty fable Jul 23, 2019, 8:12 AM

#

whats yall’s fav backstory

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 8:13 AM

#

Genji

dusty fable Jul 23, 2019, 8:14 AM

#

I like widow

fringe blade Jul 23, 2019, 8:15 AM

#

I also love Reinhardt's

dusty fable Jul 23, 2019, 8:15 AM

#

a h

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 9:54 AM

#

ok but guys

#

what if sigma

#

actually realized he is

#

a fictional character

#

and the melody he hears is just the bg music of the game

#

👀

cunning ledge Jul 23, 2019, 10:06 AM

#

hmm

#

too meta

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 10:14 AM

#

Or...is it? jk
Ok well, I hope he comes out soon
Cant wait to relearn overwatch with him!

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 10:31 AM

#

The "Melody" he is listening to is actually the music tracer was listening to while she flew the ship that gave her powers

#

When tracer recalls you hear reversed samples of music sped up

neat pivot Jul 23, 2019, 10:32 AM

#

Don't say things in that way when you're just guessing

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 10:32 AM

#

?

neat pivot Jul 23, 2019, 10:32 AM

#

Oh sorry

#

Lol I just read up

#

My bad

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 10:33 AM

#

I was just wondering who you were referring to, its ok

neat pivot Jul 23, 2019, 10:34 AM

#

Luminary, and now actually upon reading it once more I'm not sure he was joking

#

Re:Chu, the popular Reddit circlejerk is that he gets paid and does nothing except "make heroes suddenly gay"

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 10:37 AM

#

who even cares if the characters are or arent gay tho

neat pivot Jul 23, 2019, 10:38 AM

#

The amount of cynicism and shortsighted ignorance never ceases to amaze me

#

Nobody should care

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 10:38 AM

#

Like..that's why fandom exists and ships n stuff

#

Change the stuff to your liking and disregard the canon stuff you dont like

#

but I guess some people dont have the imagination for it

neat pivot Jul 23, 2019, 10:39 AM

#

I'm convinced the internet as a whole should be R20+, there'd be fewer rabid idiots

tranquil sun Jul 23, 2019, 10:40 AM

#

lol, Ashe's origin story is still my favorite

neat pivot Jul 23, 2019, 10:40 AM

#

Well hers is fully animated

#

Kind of unfair to compare to these anime style ones

#

People complain so much about how they forcibly "make" heroes gay, as if it's a widespread problem or even a problem to begin with it

#

They did it gently and tastefully, it's like... That's character development

#

Now whenever a new hero is mentioned the kids crank out their cringey memes like "surprised he isn't gay and black and trans LOL"

#

Like wow.

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 10:52 AM

#

Idk if this is said, but with the sigma vid, is it possible that the stuff they say in reverse could be a story of it’s own? Because the stuff sigma says seems like he’s creating something, and it went wrong like in the beginning, due to him saying hold it together alot of times and afterwards saying “it’s in me”

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 10:53 AM

#

Tbh if a character WERE trans wouldnt it be disrespectful to out them as trans ANYWAYS lol

#

They make the character trans and other races or darker anyways in their fan arts...they're just really whiny. :/

fair void Jul 23, 2019, 10:54 AM

#

People on twitter are terrible

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 10:54 AM

#

Mhm

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 10:54 AM

#

It's not just Twitter

tranquil sun Jul 23, 2019, 10:54 AM

#

@worthy rose there is a song that plays but it's not Sigma's melody

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 10:54 AM

#

I’m 100% sure that if they made sigma trans then people would complain about him being insane and trans

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 10:54 AM

#

Yep

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 10:55 AM

#

But now they’re just complaining about him being white

fair void Jul 23, 2019, 10:55 AM

#

There's not even that many white men in the game lol

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 10:55 AM

#

like
So

tranquil sun Jul 23, 2019, 10:55 AM

#

they'll find anything to complain about

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 10:55 AM

#

Hes dutch

#

I think Dutch people would be happy to know there is a dutch here now

Kinda like I was happy to see a mexican character in sombra
And a dude that looks like a LA cholo in reaper with his beanie

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 10:56 AM

#

About around 93% at the max of the population is white in the netherlands

#

I’m extremely happy with a Dutch hero!

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 10:57 AM

#

I am irish and i love moira

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 10:57 AM

#

I’ve always wanted to get more into tanks than just zarya and d.va, maybe sigma could be the one

#

Maybe even my main if i like hit kit enough

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 10:57 AM

#

Pretty good to have a use for the 14 years i spent learning irish

#

That use is translating her voice lines

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 10:58 AM

#

Yeah!

#

It feels so extremely nice to have a voice line in your language!

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 10:58 AM

#

I think overwatch is doing good with their representation too

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 10:58 AM

#

Mhm they’ve touched everysingle continent already with atleast 1-2 characters

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 10:59 AM

#

And also with the maps

glass glade Jul 23, 2019, 10:59 AM

#

I love sombra cause she has so much lore connected to her.. + she is always making jokes about everyone + I'm Mexican so I understand everything she is says

#

saying*

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 10:59 AM

#

They even added a monk from nepal, overwatch has been doing really great on representation and people complaining that there aren’t enough heroes of color need to shush

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 10:59 AM

#

But for some people it will never be enough because it isnt specifically catered to their likes.

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 11:00 AM

#

I wont be suprised if sombra starts another arg for the lols

glass glade Jul 23, 2019, 11:01 AM

#

I believe that blizzard and the overwatch dev team should do whatever they want with their game.

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 11:01 AM

#

Same

#

I believe it’s not our game and we should be gratefull that they even push out updates that we ask for

glass glade Jul 23, 2019, 11:01 AM

#

A lot of people criticize them for literally everything. For example the events

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 11:01 AM

#

Like role queue

glass glade Jul 23, 2019, 11:01 AM

#

I started playing in June of this year

#

so I really liked the event

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 11:02 AM

#

I started playing on the first halloween update like 3 years ago, been on and off alot on ow

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:02 AM

#

Oh god, moira has a "Good news everyone!" voiceline

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 11:03 AM

#

XD

glass glade Jul 23, 2019, 11:03 AM

#

The event may not have much... but really like not only you can get those items... you can also get the items from previous years

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 11:03 AM

#

I hope sigma has a voice line that has something to with dams

#

Like “oh dam”

glass glade Jul 23, 2019, 11:04 AM

#

I really want to play him but when he comes out... everyone wants to try him out

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 11:04 AM

#

Play on no-limits

fair void Jul 23, 2019, 11:06 AM

#

I've never played PTR before. What will become available in terms of modes?

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:06 AM

#

Only comp right now

#

Role lock comp

fair void Jul 23, 2019, 11:06 AM

#

When sigms comes out i mean

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 11:06 AM

#

death

#

Complete destruction of all known technologies as people go back to being cavemen in a battle royale of who picks sigma first with leavers left and right due to them not getting sigma

fair void Jul 23, 2019, 11:07 AM

#

ouch

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 11:07 AM

#

All sigma all the time forever

tranquil sun Jul 23, 2019, 11:08 AM

#

isn't there a No Limits playlist mode every hero release

fair void Jul 23, 2019, 11:08 AM

#

I just wish they'd tell us when he's coming out

#

Hopefully today

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 11:08 AM

#

That's what I mean lol no limits

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:08 AM

#

Role lock no limits

tranquil sun Jul 23, 2019, 11:09 AM

#

i think "No Limits" applies to role lock
i mean it has to

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:09 AM

#

Balanced no limits

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 11:09 AM

#

No role lock limits

#

20 vs 20

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:09 AM

#

It will be a soft role lock

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 11:09 AM

#

Battle royale

glass glade Jul 23, 2019, 11:09 AM

#

Usually when a hero is revealed it takes up to a month or less till they fully release him/her into the game

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:09 AM

#

Seems like the wrong chat

tranquil sun Jul 23, 2019, 11:09 AM

#

well there are always custom games

broken nacelle Jul 23, 2019, 11:10 AM

#

It takes like 2 weeks for the hero to get from ptr to non-ptr, and 2 weeks for them to be allowed into comp

#

Which means that role queue will be there before sigma

devout fjord Jul 23, 2019, 11:16 AM

#

In the sigma trailer

#

I noticed a single Widowmaker shot sound effect

#

any significance?

#

obviously widow is a talon member but seeing as only one shot got fired it may be important

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:17 AM

#

Other than she and reaper broke him out of whatever facility he was being kept at no

#

Time line wise this means it happened relatively close to when Overwatch shut down.

devout fjord Jul 23, 2019, 11:18 AM

#

also there was another bullet sound

#

which sounded like a pistol

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:19 AM

#

Where and when he got broken out of, there’s not but we know it was post widow joining

#

I only heard the reaper and widow guns

devout fjord Jul 23, 2019, 11:19 AM

#

not a revolver or a laser pistol like we see in overwatch now

#

possible hint at a new hero?

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:20 AM

#

Does it sound like doomfist shots or sombra’s

devout fjord Jul 23, 2019, 11:20 AM

#

no

#

like a regular pistol

#

that you might see a police officer carry

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:20 AM

#

Oh thats probably just the security guards probably

devout fjord Jul 23, 2019, 11:20 AM

#

I’m not really well versed in guns

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:20 AM

#

Widow and reaper’s guns are very distinct

#

If this was just generic guns

#

Then likely the security guard

devout fjord Jul 23, 2019, 11:21 AM

#

there’s also a Moira orb sound chucked in

#

so she was there too

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:22 AM

#

I gotta rewatch cause I didnt hear those

#

Talon mission to kidnap sigma, moira reaper widowmaker and sombra maybe?

#

You wouldnt hear sombra

devout fjord Jul 23, 2019, 11:23 AM

#

Sombra was probably off making friends

#

I don’t think she really cares for talon

#

just her own personal gain

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:23 AM

#

Nah, thats later id say

#

She doesn’t; she’s team sombra first.

devout fjord Jul 23, 2019, 11:23 AM

#

I feel like Katya might not be her first “friend”

#

probably many worldwide politicians

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 11:24 AM

#

🤷🏻‍♂️

#

I mean they either cooperate

#

Or she leaks their shady dealings into light

devout fjord Jul 23, 2019, 11:25 AM

#

I’m really excited for sigmas gameplay trailer

fair void Jul 23, 2019, 11:37 AM

#

When would the gameplay trailer release?

lament prawn Jul 23, 2019, 11:37 AM

#

if im not mistaken i believe baptiste’s gameplay trailer dropped when he moved from ptr to live

#

so if this is the same case then we’d already know what the gameplay looks like by the time that happens

fair void Jul 23, 2019, 11:38 AM

#

Oh wow. So not before ptr

#

odd

devout fjord Jul 23, 2019, 11:51 AM

#

sigma has music as a part of his character

#

and Jeff had a Lucio shirt in the first teaser

#

sigma is anti Lucio confirmed

nimble solstice Jul 23, 2019, 11:55 AM

#

Lucio...lucifer..
Sigma...a sum of three...
Three..the father the son and the holy ghost.m
Sigma is god confirmed.

#

Also half life 3 confirmed

#

oh, I nust noticed his gauntlets are different

#

Like I guess maybe he can have a rein like shield or something if you look at it.

eager jackal Jul 23, 2019, 12:46 PM

#

He was speculated to face tank

fringe ridge Jul 23, 2019, 12:51 PM

#

hey ppl

#

so, sigma says something weird at the end of the origin story right?

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 12:52 PM

#

I believe it’s release me backwards

fringe ridge Jul 23, 2019, 12:52 PM

#

yup ok that's what I wanted to say

#

didn't know ppl figured it out already 😛

somber bridge Jul 23, 2019, 12:57 PM

#

he says a lot of things backwoards

fringe ridge Jul 23, 2019, 12:58 PM

#

what else did he say

devout fjord Jul 23, 2019, 1:45 PM

#

is his nationality stated

#

his voice actor is Dutch but that’s not a guarantee

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 1:46 PM

#

Nope never stated

devout fjord Jul 23, 2019, 1:46 PM

#

huh

#

is the nationality usually stated at this stage or later?

hot prism Jul 23, 2019, 1:59 PM

#

His voice actor confirmed that sigma is dutch

#

He said so on twitter

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 2:04 PM

#

Neat

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 2:11 PM

#

I have a theory about sigma

#

when he was experimenting with that singularity / black hole he tore realities or something, and now there are 3 alternate versions of him in his head. One is the version of Sigma that talks every time he is in the orange suit in the mental facility. He is doubting and scared. The next is the one we hear when he is in his science outfit, the normal sigma, the one before all of this happened. And the last is the one we see when Sigma is in his full suit, the evil and violent version who just wants chaos and destruction. There may be a fourth, a version of sigma who is constantly playing Gnossienne No 1 in his head over and over.

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 2:13 PM

#

It's not Gnossienne No 1

#

It's probably an original piece

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 2:16 PM

#

Either way

#

I just think Sigma has split personalities brought on by the failed singularity experiment

limpid agate Jul 23, 2019, 2:17 PM

#

Yeah probably

#

That part isn't the big question

#

The big question is, where did they come from

#

Was his mind fragmented. Was it your "alternate dimensions", or some other pseudo neuroscience

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 2:20 PM

#

Sigma's nationality

#

https://twitter.com/BorisHiestand/status/1153542444610465792?s=20

Boris Hiestand (@BorisHiestand)

@FroggySurprise Sigma is Dutch.

Likes

187

untold cradle Jul 23, 2019, 2:30 PM

#

I'd be really interested if his mind is now an accumulation of the memories and personalities of Sigma's from alternate dimensions. Did the Singulairty cause his mind to simply be fractured, or did his conciousness get spread across multiple realities, hence the reason why he can't seem to recognize the melody being played?

hazy vortex Jul 23, 2019, 2:40 PM

#

The melody could be related to the when he says the universe is singing to him

#

Seeing as he says what is that melody directly afterwards

lavish mural Jul 23, 2019, 2:47 PM

#

If you play the his jumbled dialogue at the end of the video in reverse, he says "release me"

peak escarp Jul 23, 2019, 2:48 PM

#

yes

#

he also says that in the trailer

lavish mural Jul 23, 2019, 2:49 PM

#

He reminds me of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 2:53 PM

#

I think the melody is his trigger

#

when he obeys talon

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 3:13 PM

#

o

timid eagle Jul 23, 2019, 3:39 PM

#

I won’t lie.

#

That was easily best trailer they've made. That was legitimately unnerving as fuck.

devout sable Jul 23, 2019, 3:40 PM

#

@untold cradle why do people always go with the alternate dimensions idea

flint sequoia Jul 23, 2019, 3:40 PM

#

why does his head look like it glitches at the end of the origin story

late torrent Jul 23, 2019, 3:40 PM

#

because of the theory of black holes

devout sable Jul 23, 2019, 3:41 PM

#

it really seems to be personality fluctuations between different point in time

timid eagle Jul 23, 2019, 3:41 PM

#

I thought he developed bi-polar disorder after the experiment had gone horribly wrong.

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 3:41 PM

#

I mean there is multiple theories with black holes

late torrent Jul 23, 2019, 3:41 PM

#

that looks completely different

#

bipolar disorder I mean

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 3:42 PM

#

Some think they’re worm holes, they do in fact distort time, the eat up everything including light, etc... his power set just goes with whatever they want

#

My only hope is they didnt see the black hole meme and then decide to make this hero

untold cradle Jul 23, 2019, 3:43 PM

#

People have theorized that black holes are

#

well shit

#

i was gonna say that ZaryaLUL

#

But yeah, people theorize that black holes are simply wormholes that can lead to parallel realities or timelines.

#

It's the idea that the preservation of matter in the universe has to essentially be constant.

#

Can't destroy or make more matter, it's simple recycled, so scientist like Stephen Hawking theorized that black holes don't actually destroy or break down matter, but instead it acts as a wormhole to an alternate dimension or some sort of unknown place that we can't even begin to comprehend.

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 3:46 PM

#

That would be pretty busted

#

Like gameplay wise

untold cradle Jul 23, 2019, 3:46 PM

#

Yeah, him being able to make black holes would be disgustingly strong.

#

I'm expecting Sigma to just control gravity.

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

#

Someone throws out a helix rocket then he just yoinks and redirects itb

untold cradle Jul 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

#

and maybe, if he tries his hardest, create a gravity well similarly to Zarya.

timid eagle Jul 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

#

So, he has a personality split that happened on the quantum level?

untold cradle Jul 23, 2019, 3:48 PM

#

Possibly. The singularity could've just messed up his mind and gave him DID or split personalities

#

but there is also the potential that he is actually multiple Sigmas from alternate realities put into one body.

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 3:49 PM

#

If he doesnt at the very least prevent pharah from flying then I’m gonna be a bit disappointed

timid eagle Jul 23, 2019, 3:50 PM

#

We have the hopeful dreamer/scientist, the post-experiment mental patient, the mind-controlled Talon agent, and the pianist.

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 3:50 PM

#

So heres the thing

timid eagle Jul 23, 2019, 3:50 PM

#

I mean, who else is playing that melody that looped in that trailer?

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 3:51 PM

#

I dont believe he is being mind controlled. I really think he is being manipulated by Talon since they call him a weapon (forgot the actual wording they used) but I do not believe he is under any type of actual mind control where he goes brainless zombie

#

And does as they please

untold cradle Jul 23, 2019, 3:52 PM

#

People theorize that it's some sort of control mechanism from Talon that triggers his violent personality, but I honestly think it goes deeper than that. It could be that it's a memory from another Sigma that he's not aware of, or it's a simple auditory illusion that he perceives to be the universe "singing to him".

timid eagle Jul 23, 2019, 3:53 PM

#

So....

#

Due to manipulating black holes, it seems that Sigma has distorted space, and merged all infinite multi-reality personalities of his being into one?

#

And they are all fighting for control?

untold cradle Jul 23, 2019, 3:54 PM

#

A potential possibility.

#

The "release me" is another part of it since you could perceive it as him just wanting to be freed from prison, but at the same time it's played near the end when he's already been indoctrinated into Talon.

#

Could just be his multiple personality disorder going out of whack, or it's a completely different Sigma trying to force his way into control of Sigma's body.

timid eagle Jul 23, 2019, 4:01 PM

#

Now I want to see him in action.

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 4:02 PM

#

Dont we all

#

My question is

#

What would Talon use him for?

#

A guy with the power to generate black holes is massive yea but it doesnt fit well into doomfists plans if everyone basically dies

#

If his plan is to stir up conflict then logically why would he be the one to pick up

valid shell Jul 23, 2019, 4:06 PM

#

We'll have to see his kit.

timid eagle Jul 23, 2019, 4:06 PM

#

Who knows. Maybe they originally indocturn Sigma for his experiment with Black holes as a boon.

valid shell Jul 23, 2019, 4:07 PM

#

He might literally be the muscle, albeit a genius-IQ hands-off kind of muscle. Moving vehicles or transporting stolen goods with gravity.

#

More Magneto than Hulk.

worthy rose Jul 23, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

But they have Mauga and other talon grunts for that type of thing. I dont think he’d be the cargo transport guy

#

“Why should you join talon?”
“I use the power of black holes to transport cargo.”