no ones theory is reliable
#lore-discussion
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late torrent
mhm
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everyone is speculating, no one is more valid than the other
last inlet
It's a song he's hearing
He can't get rid of it
That's just to point out something unique about him
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I give it a week before someone memes the song into something more..annoying, like baby shark lol
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...
mortal oak
I really like the fact that they left the video and origin story up for interpretation
last inlet
Maybe
mortal oak
Leaves a feeling of sususpense
vale junco
theres literally 0 theorizing here, we know he went insane after his experinent and gained gravity powers
mortal oak
Suspense*
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@vale junco Why is your theory considered valid and no one else is? Thats just bad debate at this point
last inlet
How is that a theorg
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no fun no fun
last inlet
That's literally what happened
late torrent
insane or not, something went wrong is all we can say atm
vale junco
its not valid but its reliable thats exactly what happened
mortal oak
^
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No one knows what happeend at all. He messed with a black hole
mortal oak
^ again
vale junco
and im saying thats exactly what happened
late torrent
xD
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@vale junco Its not, no one is valid, everyone is just guessing, you are just as right and wrong as everyone else
simple as that, stop trying to make yourself feel above, just enjoy the madness
worthy rose
Everyone is on the same page here except for you, Nai lmao. everyone is saying the same thing and then you're shitting on that idea by saying it's wrong
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doesnt matter?
late torrent
I do like the theory of mental switch by the melody tho
mortal oak
Hey hey hey
late torrent
like Talon brainwash on Widow
mortal oak
I think it’s fun to theorize
rain arrow
I have my thoughts, and things make sense to me, just as it does for him, everyone is free to believe what they want
long warren
I cant wait to see his weapon. I might buy his golden gun
mortal oak
We know that for sure
rain arrow
if you need to mob mentality people into agreeing with you, then it just puts more holes into your own
mortal oak
But other than that.. there’s nothing else really
late torrent
if it's a gun
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XD if hes gravity based, how much CC will he have
late torrent
there goes promise on no more cc heroes
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lol
mortal oak
Imagine his ult letting him control gravity to literally fly and rain fire from the skies or something
peak escarp
when did they promise that?
mortal oak
Fire as in gunfire
late torrent
after brig problems iirc
mortal oak
while being mobile
last inlet
I doubt they promised.
mortal oak
Like a pseudo pharah and mercy ult Pog
last inlet
They gave us Hammond
peak escarp
I don't remember seeing any such promise
mortal oak
They never did that’s why
rain arrow
well, his weapon seems to be those 8 sided objects in his hands...maybe they each do individual things? Like Zen?
mortal oak
Imagine this
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just fun to speculate and play around with the idea before release lol, how much is right or wrong
long warren
His weapons are transparent futuristic dungeon and dragons dice
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Sounds like the perfect hero for a dungeon master like me
mortal oak
Black holes have absolutely 0 light... it’s a black hole haha.
Picture this: he has multiple personalities. (Probably 2.) he has 2 different weapons with his personalities. One is a prism that shoots light, and one is a prism that takes light away. His ult changes his personality. The one that absorbs / takes light away could be like a Moira sort of weapon where he “drains your health”. And his prism could be something like symmetra that’s a beam of light. If this is the case you could see him being like equinox from Warframe.. having two forms. 2 sets of abilities.. his first set being his dark side.. having some sort of black hole kind of abilities that can absorb stuff (idk) and his other personality could have a blinding ability that could blind a target.
Sorry I’m sure none of that is the case
Would be a real cool hero ^
rain arrow
A new kind of support then would make your theory sound plausible
late torrent
but it's a tank
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Yeah...
mortal oak
He’s a tank, he has two personalities.. his defensive tank and his bullet sponge tank
worthy rose
his weapons are the two sigma balls. he can flop them around with gravity defying abilities. when he ults they turn giant and everyone gets sucked into the super gravity of his giant sigma balls.
rain arrow
Plus it kinda dips too much into the moria kind of thing..
mortal oak
Not nexessarily(?)
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Science used for good or bad?
mortal oak
That’s not at all what I said LUL
blazing patio
@worthy rose interesting concept of the weapons
mortal oak
Did you read it
rain arrow
Just making a damn comment dude, relax
mortal oak
Two personalities not good and evil
I didn’t say anything rude
Don’t tell me to relax ??
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Relax
blazing patio
dont fight in #lore-discussion please
peak escarp
reminder to everyone
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It's just an opinion, it's not making light of your theory
peak escarp
this is the lore discussion channel
blazing patio
^
mortal oak
Anyways.. that’s just a theory.. there’s lots wrong with it but you don’t need to shut it down and tell me to relax
True
peak escarp
gameplay ability theories should go elsewhere
mortal oak
Where then
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mortal oak
There’s nothing saying that ability theories can’t go here
peak escarp
!!loreonly
twilit nacelleBOT
This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
peak escarp
abilities are not lore
vale junco
i mean
lament prawn
having to ult to alternate between two different personalities would be very in-character for him, so that would actually make a lot of sense
nice thought
here i was asking for another character aside from d.va that has two different forms a while ago
peak escarp
they probably won't make another character with different forms, since D.Va was such a pain to program
lament prawn
i assume they got past technical difficulties involving two forms, considering they have d.va fleshed out and functional already, the only thing now would be more work regarding movesets and animations
although pretty much all characters introduce new abilities and playstyles, i assume they'd have run into issues with almost every character, or probably have a very flexible engine to combat that
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??? Thought...what if that last form, the evil one, the one we play as...is it even real? Like is it actually a part of his personality?
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No I mean, IS it actually part of him actually? Could it have been implanted to control him?
Talon isnt shy to brainwashing
What if what we are watching, is him actually going through the brainwashing itself?
And that melody he's hearing is playing during the brainwashing
Thats why it doesnt sound like its in the scene but like deep in the background
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Yeah, I saw that as well
While its hard to bring things to clarity with the teaser, we do hear Talon breaking him out of that facility, you can clearly hear widowmakers's rifle and Reaper's Shotguns
Theres the translation of the song he's questioning
slim fable
dusk mirage
I totally called Sigma's archetypes like yesterday
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Then last Theres the smile
dusk mirage
he's going to use music and movement to manipulate his gravity abilities and charge up like zarya
limpid agate
we do hear Talon breaking him out of that facility, you can clearly hear widowmakers's rifle and Reaper's Shotguns
That implies they are not responsible for the music
They simply retrieved an already broken man
peak escarp
I think the music is part of his psychosis
an auditory hallucination that only he hears
dusk mirage
but it's also what helps his mind relax and his gravity powers not overwhelm him
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@limpid agate apparently, the song doesnt have a set form based on the description. It can be played fast or slow, it was based to the creators desire to give it a new 'form' for the listener
basically, its not set anywher
dusk mirage
it is fast or slow but the quick-slow-quick is like a waltz
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and not constrained to a sence of time
dusk mirage
think of how a waltz moves
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er sense
dusk mirage
i think that's how he will have to move to maintain his gravity power balance
and think of the theories on space and time right. some say time is relative and Space-time is a term
tight river
just to throw this in here : maybe he has the ability to kind of suck up all the bullets that would hit him or a certain area and then focus them in a beam or a big ball of dmg?
dusk mirage
that makes sense he is gravity based and possibly barrier based
worthy rose
Love the cosmic horror vibes the trailer gave off.
tight river
might be either tank or dps must be confirmed tho this time around its not a 100% clear and i think thats the 1st time ever
rain arrow
He goes from 1 Solid state, to 2, back to 1, Then evil form shows and demands to be released, then goes to 3, then back to 1, but each previous form is in a different scene than normal, than 1, then goes back to his first state, and immediately goes to evil and stays there
worthy rose
Sigma is a tank.
dusk mirage
if you see the leak for the sigma picture and name you can see he's not a dps
and most likely not support
worthy rose
His ingame model is pretty big.
dusk mirage
obv he has mastered gravity
worthy rose
Yes.
tight river
ye
worthy rose
He bobbing very slowly.
dusk mirage
so no footsteps
tight river
like zen then
dusk mirage
flanker?
dusk mirage
flanking ability though
devout badge
thank GOD they’re adding another tank
tight river
ye
peak escarp
your tanks shouldn't be flanking
tight river
i hope he makes some sort of sound when walking
dusk mirage
like zarya
zarya works with gravity
and barriers like winston
who lived on the moon(no gravity)
tight river
ye but i dont think hes gonna use the same kind of abilities
worthy rose
Probs zarya's gun was influenced by sigma's research it seems.
tight river
how?
dusk mirage
i think he's going to use the same kind of ebb and flow abilities
tight river
i mean maybe
dusk mirage
because he's obviously music based
dusk mirage
everyone is linked in some way, you just need to figure out what links are the strongest
worthy rose
Didn't zarya got her gun from an omnic?
tight river
i dont know
worthy rose
But we do know those blackholes are related to sigma in some way.
peak escarp
she tore it off an armored truck
worthy rose
Maybe his research got sold off to different factions.
peak escarp
tight river
wheres this from
peak escarp
Zarya's gun and Sigma don't have to be connected
it's from the Overwatch Visual Source Book
worthy rose
Well his research could be connected to how the cannon was created.
tight river
ye
worthy rose
He didn't have to be directly involved.
peak escarp
sure, like how Mercy's research is the basis for most of the healing techniques
brazen flare
he must be the most interesting character so far i hope he gets a proper cinematic after zen
dusk mirage
"basis for most healing" the thing is its most, zen and mercy have a voice line where they discuss that neither understands how the other heals
worthy rose
That new writer at blizzard sure was worth it.
brazen flare
the new writer needs to redo all the story for all charecters
peak escarp
the story is fine, but the hero bios could use a rewrite
dusk mirage
oh def, the bios don't go nearly in depth enough about who the characters really are
brazen flare
hi cant wiat for zen lore stuff apprently hes next to get some love from what iv heard around the place
dusk mirage
but the thing is that's what the comics and the trailers do
dusk mirage
zen lore leads to geniji lore
brazen flare
hes the most mysterious one
dusk mirage
zen has the least amount of connections to overwatch
only through genji and being an omnic basically
tight river
shambali?
peak escarp
the monks Zen was a member of
tight river
aah
lilac quail
sigma has 2 buildings dedicated 2 himself
brazen flare
zen needs fleshed out like how he floats, what his enlightenment is
lilac quail
and a whoel company
brazen flare
like is it all mystical half mystic some science
dusk mirage
well they all have their own other archetypes, we know D.Va is a pro gamer with a few rivals and we know who those rivals are, lucio is a world renowned musician who provides the music to the Unity day celebration in Numbana
peak escarp
Sigma is not related to the Bot Couture company
dusk mirage
numbani
lilac quail
how do u know
tight river
how can we sure its his? @lilac quail
lilac quail
has his name on it
peak escarp
why would an astrophysicist own a company that makes clothes for omnics?
dusk mirage
and yes sym works for vishkar which specializes in hard light which is what barriers are made out of so there's that connection
tight river
i mean sure same name but
lilac quail
side job!
tight river
not only
tight river
ye
dusk mirage
so then we extrapolate from there
lilac quail
Meaning of word sigma
Etymology. According to a different theory, its original name may have been san (the name today associated with another, obsolete letter), while sigma was a Greek innovation that simply meant "hissing", based on a nominalization of a verb σίζω ( sízō, from earlier * sig-jō, meaning 'I hiss')
Σσς
Sigma meaning 200
peak escarp
it has a lot of meanings
lilac quail
sigma is also a buisness method
worthy rose
Props to blizzard on this one. They totally surprised us on his origin story.
lilac quail
yea even if the were hints they were barely noticiable
gentle schooner
Yeah. I definitely think it was the best origin story, the voice actor and music totally made it
tight river
ye very intriguing
lilac quail
freaky.
worthy rose
There wasn't any narration which was neat.
rigid shale
isn't soldier gay?
dusk mirage
soldier totally gay
lilac quail
u could hear reapers shotguns and widows sniper during the weird attack scene
half pasture
Yeah this is great, but a still tiny part of me that wishes he was a Mad Fashion Designer and not a Mad Scientist
dusk mirage
which is why he synergizes with tracer
lilac quail
u could hear reapers shotguns and widows sniper during the weird attack scene
dusk mirage
maybe he's a mad scientist composer
dusk mirage
melody?
lilac quail
ye
dusk mirage
why not? it's an ominous back and forth piano melody
dusk mirage
a melody i think is between song and tune
lilac quail
i geuss
dusk mirage
not fully fleshed like a song, not a simple whistle likke a tune
so a piano melody
and he says "gravity is a harness, i have harnessed the harness"
lilac quail
i wonder why the melody confused him OOH MAYBE HE USES AN ABILITY THAT PLAYS MUSIC AND MAKES PPL GO "insane" OR LIKE STUN THEM
dusk mirage
so he's figured out how to manipulate gravity and in this case different scenarios
im thinking he plays music that speeds himself up and maybe slows down the enemy
lilac quail
yea but i dont know how gravity would infect ur mental stability
dusk mirage
but he's definitely mentally unstable
lilac quail
for sure
dusk mirage
so he just needs a way to project that into someone else
you notice he's shifted around a few times in the video
lilac quail
yea time
lilac quail
only tping to places hes been
lilac quail
kinda like the Jumper movie with hayden
dusk mirage
ok just like that
but you know who made tracers time travel controller?
winston, who is from the moon
where there is no gravity and he was doing experiments on time travel
time-gravity-space are all linked
trail walrus
what will sigma's abilities be?
lilac quail
yea
dusk mirage
im just gonna link my reddit post if that's ok,
lilac quail
sure
dusk mirage
some of it might be off since i wrote this before the full video
I also included some mauga stuff to link these 2 together
lilac quail
A somewhat disturbing origin video describes him as an "eccentric astrophysicist" who is "unaware he's been turning into a living weapon." Living weapen eh?
dusk mirage
he's been working with gravity so much he's being pulled apart
trail walrus
he's a human shield
dusk mirage
since he's basically harnessed black holes like zarya's ult
trail walrus
btw
peak escarp
Zarya's ult isn't a black hole
trail walrus
anyone played titanfall?
peak escarp
it's a graviton
dusk mirage
ok still a big ol ball of gravity
sounds a bit like a black hole to me
just a different name
trail walrus
the shield of the titan will like sigma's ult
little hamlet
Sigma better be able to catch bullets and send them back
midnight shoal
Do ya think he'll have the Titan fall projectile redirection as an ability (possibly his shield)?
little hamlet
his ult might be an aoe slow
midnight shoal
What about having him stopping people from jumping?
dusk mirage
or a large shield that pushes people out
trail walrus
no i think he floats them up
midnight shoal
And slowing them down
dusk mirage
both reasonable
midnight shoal
That could work
little hamlet
an aoe bob knockup
dusk mirage
so by slowing them down he speeds himself up?
midnight shoal
^
trail walrus
if you shoot him, he'll do more damage
midnight shoal
It looks like he floats like Zen tho
trail walrus
while in his ult
trail walrus
he's a tank
lilac quail
he talks about the univers sing to him
dusk mirage
so is zarya
midnight shoal
IT could be that the more you shoot his Shield the more powerful it gets?
as in more health
trail walrus
he can deploy multiple version of himself
midnight shoal
Like a Zarya bubble and Hammond shield
dusk mirage
so a little more vulnerable too?
lilac quail
yea like hammond or maybe it spreads the damage around and makes his sheild larger or gives it more hp
midnight shoal
Or he could have an AOE slow/speed
dusk mirage
like lucio
trail walrus
he does float
dusk mirage
like zen
trail walrus
if you look at the end of the trailer it looks like he's floating
dusk mirage
who has no footsteps o;O
trail walrus
:0
midnight shoal
maybe pushing down his opponents and lifting up his teammates
dusk mirage
we're talking in circles but that's because everything is connected
trail walrus
like a black hole
midnight shoal
He seems to have three personalities
little hamlet
Introducing: The Sanity Meter players perception of the game distorts as Sigma influences his enemies
dusk mirage
he's gonna make mirror images using his teleporation
midnight shoal
O_O
trail walrus
maybe even make them use their abilities
dusk mirage
that would be a little op
trail walrus
maybe
broken nacelle
Idk if this is already said yet, but each time he “breaks” or goes mad he says “hold it together” in reverse uwu
midnight shoal
Does anyone think that the orbs he's holding will be a kind of projector/lightning rod for his 'clone'
Or that they're his primary?
broken nacelle
I think those are the things holding him together
dusk mirage
maybe he'll throw them out like a sombra and they'll project an image of himself
trail walrus
i think does orbs will make the enemy float
trail walrus
or his primary
broken nacelle
Maybe those will absorb bullets and stuff
And maybe shoot them back or just absorb them
trail walrus
no that's hs ult
little hamlet
his primary is supposedly a rail gun
dusk mirage
maybe he'll throw them like zen orbs and they'll hone in on enemies since they're gravity based
trail walrus
he's
broken nacelle
Tru tru
midnight shoal
probably has some sort of Halt/mini grav ability
trail walrus
he's a tank
broken nacelle
Don’t we have enough of those? XD
midnight shoal
no
last inlet
No
dusk mirage
he's a hybrid tank like zarya
midnight shoal
Also he's our first Talon tank
trail walrus
yea
dusk mirage
an off-tank if you will
broken nacelle
(Talking about halt abilities)
last inlet
Is he tho
dusk mirage
so he's not gonna be tanky like rein
midnight shoal
yeah
broken nacelle
I wish for a main tank
last inlet
Do we have his abilities?
midnight shoal
no
trail walrus
maybe
dusk mirage
we have speculations
midnight shoal
we can only speculate
dusk mirage
at this point he may only have 20 abilities
last inlet
So then
trail walrus
but his ult we do have
broken nacelle
All we know is that he’s possibly dutch, completely insane
last inlet
How do you know
midnight shoal
Does anyone think he'll have a slam/crush ability?
dusk mirage
and we can only know if we were right after he comes out
broken nacelle
I don’t think he will
last inlet
You're talking as if you know tho
dusk mirage
i think the slam/crush will be on mauga
gentle schooner
No? Wouldnt make sense imo
little hamlet
We'll know tomorrow
dusk mirage
@last inlet we're all making educated guesses
trail walrus
have you being researching?
midnight shoal
I mean he could pick up someone and then slam them into a wall or floor
dusk mirage
i've literally been doing research for like 3 days on this stuff
midnight shoal
or pick up a rock/object and hit them with it
broken nacelle
Huh
trail walrus
the video came out today tho
dusk mirage
i've been paying attention to overwatch lore since the very beginning so I know these connections are there even if they are miniscule
and i've watched it like 5 times
trail walrus
ok
dusk mirage
i've pored over the leak of his name
midnight shoal
I mentioned that before hand
last inlet
dusk mirage
i've played the PTR and seen his item on the payload
broken nacelle
Nice
little hamlet
which map?
midnight shoal
y'all played Titan fall before?
trail walrus
yea
broken nacelle
Dorado or numbani most likely
dusk mirage
There's just so many connections i could talk endlessly but if i did you'd never get a chance
midnight shoal
then you all know what I'm thinking
trail walrus
the shield?
midnight shoal
yah
dusk mirage
i think it was numbani but i haven't been playing since ive started ranting
broken nacelle
We need more shield tanksssssss
dusk mirage
this is another barrier tank
maybe shield too
but not a rein kinda shield
more like a winston kind
broken nacelle
We only got 2 really, winston doesn’t count imo
trail walrus
he's a human SHIELD
dusk mirage
like zarya
broken nacelle
Unreliable shield
last inlet
Where are you getting this info tho
dusk mirage
unreliable in the hands of an unskilled player
little hamlet
I'm betting he splits into three copies
dusk mirage
im connecting threads from previous lore
broken nacelle
From inspecting the vid, looking at him, thinking about what the community has been annoying ow about
midnight shoal
Or maybe collects projectiles
last inlet
Lore usually doesn't dictate gameplay
broken nacelle
Like more shield tanks and stuff
trail walrus
and abilities
midnight shoal
I think he might have some sort of distortion barrier or a event horizon that will nullify/decrease damage around him.
trail walrus
me too
broken nacelle
Kinda like a worse baptiste e?
dusk mirage
if it were a better one bap would be useless right?
broken nacelle
Maybe it’ll stay ontop of him?
dusk mirage
every character has their own niche
broken nacelle
For like 12 seconds unless destroyed
dusk mirage
and we're trying to narrow down Sigma's niche
trail walrus
i think for his primary he'll collect rocks and throw them
midnight shoal
His ult could be an Aoe like with Mei
broken nacelle
Aerial control 
dusk mirage
definitely but you have to crouch down to pick them up
his aerial control is from his primary homing fire!
midnight shoal
He could pick things up and use them as a shield
dusk mirage
his gravity zen orbs
broken nacelle
Pick those pharah’s off
broken nacelle
Get those low elo skrubs like me an easy counter to pharbruh
midnight shoal
He could just have a field of rocks/orbs floating around him like a shield
dusk mirage
yeah but he's tech based not nature based
somoene like zen would have rocks floating around them
midnight shoal
I mean we see it in the origin vid
dusk mirage
that too
last inlet
For some reason, I'm remembering how excited people got about Baptiste and a possible relation to health packs until he came out and, disappointingly, no health pack stuff
midnight shoal
(although those could be scraps of metal)
dusk mirage
skins are all related to these events and heroes
broken nacelle
Who wasn’t dissapointed at how op baptiste is?
dusk mirage
maybe so @last inlet but I'll still be excited for the character even if 10% of what i've said is right
trail walrus
they're in the trailer
trail walrus
finally
broken nacelle
Said big daddy jeff
last inlet
. Jpg
dusk mirage
then cast your doubt aside!
think "maybe they're right, who am i to say they aren't"
last inlet
No one's saying you aren't right
trail walrus
i think he'll suck up things then use against the enemy
broken nacelle
We’re all here to game theory
midnight shoal
I really hope that he has a bubble area where damage is reduced, kinda like a reverse amp matrix but in all directions around him.
dusk mirage
it's all skepticism
midnight shoal
So that people can stick near him when storming an objective or choke point
dusk mirage
i think he will have something to keep allies close
last inlet
I hope he has foreign language voicelines and that's it. I actually sorta trust Blizzard to give a whole new way to play
trail walrus
i also think he kind of in a way slows down time
midnight shoal
An Event Horizon if you will
dusk mirage
both of the other music/harmony/melody characters have abilities that make your allies come to you
midnight shoal
'cause gravity bends space and time?
midnight shoal
so he's the anti tracer
dusk mirage
yes!
dusk mirage
but while tracer is traveling through space using time travel, Sigma is traveling space by contorting gravity
broken nacelle
If so i’m maining him y’all can catch me maining sigma
dusk mirage
same
trail walrus
i think he'll suck things up
broken nacelle
You dutch/flemish too?
dusk mirage
so you think he'll be gay?
broken nacelle
Idc if he is
midnight shoal
Could actually be that he can slow people down. Either by increasing the gravity or decreasing it, levitating them
dusk mirage
lol jk
broken nacelle
I only care about him being dutch and if he’s actually a good hero
dusk mirage
all heroes are good in the right hands
midnight shoal
I really hope he can make people float
broken nacelle
Yeah but i’m a hardstuck plat boi xD
midnight shoal
no IT jokes plz
midnight shoal
@broken nacelle same
dusk mirage
gotta pull back and figure out what is making you hardstuck
midnight shoal
Well I'm slowly climbing still
dusk mirage
2-2-2 will helm tremendously
midnight shoal
I haven't hit the 50/50 coin flip victory stage yet
broken nacelle
Yo
midnight shoal
Yo what?
broken nacelle
Last few seconds when the music gets louder
There’s a certain math stuff
Anybody know what the hell that is? XD
midnight shoal
gravity formula
?
broken nacelle
In the middle it sort of distorts everything away but that
Probs idk
I’m terrible at math xD
midnight shoal
also he has a miny black hole in his hands
broken nacelle
2 i think
dusk mirage
well the formulae at the very beginning are mirrored
midnight shoal
in like 4 shots
It literally looks like that image we got from an actual black hole
broken nacelle
Well reverse them
Maybe overwatch has figured out how to travel at the speed of light and they’re hiding it
midnight shoal
He has two types of orbs. One is encased in metal another glows gold and has no case.
dusk mirage
probably, i dont know much about physics and math so i'd have to do way too much research to figure out what these formulae are
but he's talking about gravity and using "g(h)" and "G" as a variable
trail walrus
who do you think nerfs him?
broken nacelle
Pharah existing nerfs everything below diamond
dusk mirage
counters to him would be people that counter movement abilities and people that can stop shooting him if they need to
junk would feed him
broken nacelle
dusk mirage
booping him would probably disrupt something
trail walrus
and hook
dusk mirage
people that counter zarya would counter him
midnight shoal
I think he might counter Doom and other high mobility heroes
broken nacelle
Destroy space and time with a singular boop
dusk mirage
except for the ones that don't rely on movement, because he will use him movement abilities to disrupt the enemies
broken nacelle
Palkia and dialga are quivering
midnight shoal
if he can prevent them from jumping or can slow them down or can lift them up then he counters them.
dusk mirage
yes
broken nacelle
Wait
midnight shoal
?
dusk mirage
anti-mobility, mobile hybrid barrier tank.
trail walrus
what about hammond
broken nacelle
How about he can stop an ability as it happens
dusk mirage
ham would wreck him
broken nacelle
Like doomfists e, tracers blink
dusk mirage
ham moves too fast for the gravity to disrupt him enough before he got out of it again
broken nacelle
Ham will go ham on him
dusk mirage
because right all you have to do is get away from a black hole and you're fine again
broken nacelle
I’m sure we’ll all know we’re wrong in a week
trail walrus
yep
dusk mirage
i've thrown out so many ideas i'll at least be a little right
broken nacelle
He’ll be a support hero dps that gives out armor packs xD
dusk mirage
he's gonna be a little kid
broken nacelle
and he can WALLCLIMB
dusk mirage
and melt into the ground
dusk mirage
and jump 1000m into the air
peak escarp
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dusk mirage
oof
trail walrus
damm
broken nacelle
Oof
midnight shoal
double Oof
broken nacelle
I think this counts as speculating?
midnight shoal
yeah
dusk mirage
i give permission to the mods if i was completely wrong on all of this you can ban me
but you wont know until he's out
midnight shoal
so tomorrow?
trail walrus
or next week
midnight shoal
that too
peak escarp
probably tomorrow
broken nacelle
Tomorrow will be more lore
midnight shoal
yee
last inlet
I mean you're at least speculating on lore
peak escarp
Baptiste was on PTR the day after his trailer too
broken nacelle
Over 2-3 days he’ll be on ptr
last inlet
Hmmm
trail walrus
is he in the PTR?
midnight shoal
nah bro
last inlet
Hopefully his bio is online soon
broken nacelle
Who knows
trail walrus
it depends on his play style
peak escarp
why would it be an ARG
midnight shoal
His orbs could slow people down
broken nacelle
Why not xD
peak escarp
Sigma was already announced
midnight shoal
(sorry)
trail walrus
so he'll be in the PTR tomorrow?
peak escarp
probably
broken nacelle
I think the first leak was accidental so now they’re scrambling to get everything together
midnight shoal
most likely
peak escarp
I think the first leak was on purpose to build hype
broken nacelle
I gotta work tomorrow dahm, anyways!
trail walrus
well it work
broken nacelle
I think he’ll be a main tank-ish hero who absorbs projectiles, although with limits
broken nacelle
Mhm
I think he can take reduced damage or none at all as he absorbs the projectiles
trail walrus
like in titanfall
untold cradle
I’m imagining that his kit will mainly be about him manipulating the trajectory of projectiles that come at him and either redirecting them back at enemies or storing them to create some sort of collected energy blast.
broken nacelle
^ very possible
trail walrus
that could his ult
untold cradle
I wanna see his primary fire though, since those two little black hole prisms that they showed in his IGM seem to be it
broken nacelle
Maybeeee
He can only shoot projectiles that have been fired at him
Like he gets shot by idk, a soldier rocket
trail walrus
i think his abelites will deploy a different version of himself and as his ult he'll suck up projectiles thrown at him and use them against the enemy
broken nacelle
He can only fire that soldier rocket back whenever he wants
broken nacelle
Idk if that’ll work though
trail walrus
why?
eager lodge
I don’t know if anyone had picked this up but if you play the end of the origin story backwards he says “ release me”. The origin story hints at the fact that his personality has split and it’s as if the good side of his personality is aware that talon has taken control of him and he wants to be set free
broken nacelle
At the end if you reverse it and read the letters turning from blue to orange it spells “bevrijd mij” or “free me” ye uwu
broken nacelle
I’m guessing that’s his ult
eager lodge
Kinda like winstons primal rage?
broken nacelle
Maybe
untold cradle
Generally the two theories are that he either has split personalities or the black hole incident caused three separate versions of himself from different realities to merge into his one body
dusk mirage
why not both together?
broken nacelle
I don’t know if alternative universes are confirmed in ow tho
dusk mirage
they aren't not confirmed though
broken nacelle
Who knows, maybe it’ll be confirmed tomorrow
trail walrus
its a black hole
dusk mirage
they're in the abyss of "they don't have lore on this subject yet"
broken nacelle
A black hole bends time and space but not even we know if it’ll lead to an alternative universe
peak escarp
"release me" is a normal thing to say when you're being imprisoned against your will
trail walrus
there's a theory that the black hole is a gate to another universe
broken nacelle
All we know is that blackholes suck up everything
dusk mirage
because we don't know enough about the science of gravity and space
trail walrus
tru
eager lodge
Half in the black hole?
dusk mirage
like what we're doing here, the scientists in the lab are all speculating
it's all very "meta"
broken nacelle
Then he would be like tracer without her little thing to keep her from ghosting
He would completely shatter into time and space
untold cradle
No matter the outcome, I think he’ll be super interesting
broken nacelle
Mhm
trail walrus
yea
broken nacelle
Hopefully he wont be another brig
trail walrus
i think he'll be a main tank
broken nacelle
He got split personality disorder most likely after the black hole incident
we need more main tanks imo
broken nacelle
How so?
queen wraith
hammond is a main tank
broken nacelle
By merely existing as a meatshield?
eager lodge
He takes a lot of the enemy teams damage and resources
broken nacelle
Tru
queen wraith
he iniates group battles
eager lodge
Anyway back to sigma
queen wraith
this is the purpose of the main tank - to go first in the battle
broken nacelle
But he lacks a shield
eager lodge
Any idea about sigmas main fire
broken nacelle
Probably a zen-ish attack
broken nacelle
Maybe he can only fire the projectiles he has absorbed?
queen wraith
I am more into moira's attack style
broken nacelle
Will make him insanely interesting to play
eager lodge
I like that
potent vault
I would love to see a hero that uses physics objects that are part of the map to attack
broken nacelle
And could be extremely powerfull if not countered
eager lodge
The only problem is more projectiles do more damage like others
queen wraith
he definetly will
broken nacelle
Mhm
broken nacelle
Hopefully he wont end up being a brig
trail walrus
i think he will nerf goat
broken nacelle
I honestly can’t wait to see what my ranks are in certain roles
eager lodge
I’m a main tank player however I have a very high win on dps so it will be interesting
broken nacelle
I like playing mccree and tracer
eager lodge
I hope he won’t be in the comp thing though
broken nacelle
But i flex onto basically any hero
trail walrus
i haven't played in a year
eager lodge
Cause it will cause the mmr to be more broken
broken nacelle
Who needs mmr?
when you got black holes
Anyways we’re going off lore topic
Lets head out before we get kicked out of lore
worthy rose
one of his abilities has to be a slowed gravity CC
"gravity is a harness"
legit if a reaper is dropping down bout to ult
slow his fall speed
broken nacelle
Pharah boop only it keeps them mid-air?
worthy rose
no
eager lodge
Maybe you can cause hero’s to either go up or down, like orisa pull
worthy rose
it slows them down, even vertically
eager lodge
Yeah like orisa pull
worthy rose
no
eager lodge
Or maybe like a slow trap
worthy rose
orisa pull forces a player into a certain spot
this would just slow the player down
and lower their gravity
worthy rose
it'd mess with flankers
eager lodge
Wait do you mean just the ground or also in the air
worthy rose
it'd slow a player horizontally and vertically
flint sequoia
how are they going to make his ult not similar to zarya's but still related to gravity?
worthy rose
they'd walk slower and fall/jump slower
flint sequoia
other than just flipping gravity or something
worthy rose
@flint sequoia gobble damage instead of gobbling players
flint sequoia
so its defense matrix but ult
worthy rose
its either that
eager lodge
Yeah I’m travelling and get back on Thursday so I’m literally dying inside
flint sequoia
how long do heroes usually be on the ptr until theyre available on live game
eager lodge
A month
flint sequoia
oof
eager lodge
Or a few weeks
worthy rose
moira they teased then they waited out for blizzcon
eager lodge
He will probably come when role lock comes to the live game
flint sequoia
so aug 13 maybe
worthy rose
so less than a month
eager lodge
Maybe
flint sequoia
he's into gravity why would he have a railgun and electricity fields
broken nacelle
Oof
peak escarp
that's the Nemesis kit from last year
worthy rose
also the video player doesnt fit the site either
peak escarp
the grammar is atrocious
worthy rose
also 3 star difficulty 
flint sequoia
well he might be
worthy rose
imma be honest
flint sequoia
but then again mei is 3 stars (i think)
worthy rose
i dont think he will be a 3 star
flint sequoia
yeah mei is 3 stars
peak escarp
we know nothing about his kit
broken nacelle
That makes pharah -2 stars
peak escarp
he could be 3 stars
flint sequoia
he will prob be 2 star ngl
worthy rose
if he is a 3 star hero he better have a kit to back it up
lament prawn
wish i hadn't read the replies for the tweet about the origin story, why do people enjoy being so negative?
peak escarp
because people will never be satisfied
flint sequoia
its 2019
lament prawn
anyway, the little orbs he has in the idle animation at the end show them starting off as one orb then splitting into two - probably a metaphor for his split personalities
so perhaps its two personalities, not three
flint sequoia
well
flint sequoia
probably not
lament prawn
we dont know, but that sounds in-character if it is the case
flint sequoia
because his other personality is a wekk science nerd
lament prawn
it doesnt necessarily have to be two forms like d.va, could be like winston's primal rage
kind scientist, raging gorilla
lament prawn
winston is kind when you dont break his glasses
flint sequoia
what if tracer breaks his glasses on accident
untold cradle
judging from the trailer I think there are 3 separate personalities:
Pre-Black Hole incident Sigma
Captured/Insane Sigma
Talon Sigma
worthy rose
👀
worthy rose
can we talk about how a gravity scientist forgot black holes have event horizons?
flint sequoia
yeah...
pearl portal
listen maan people forget sometimes
untold cradle
They could also potentially be different versions of Sigma from alternate realities, but we don’t know enough about his lore to really ascertain
lament prawn
i dont know if he'd have an individual personality for the place he works for
lament prawn
maybe its just normal scientist wanting to find out about the universe, then the mad lad
untold cradle
Not where he works for, it’s for his rational regular self
pearl portal
if we have alternate reality sigmas ima feel bad for some people trying to figure it out
lament prawn
its mixed at this point. the very first shot of the malfunction shows him splitting into two (as his orbs do) which leads us to believe in him having two distinct realities or personalities or whatever, but then there's the case of him appearing in three different uniforms
untold cradle
I really just want to know exactly what he went through during the black hole incident, since it could mean a number of different things about his mental state
peak escarp
I think the splitting is a visual metaphor
worthy rose
i just question how a man can get so close to a black hole and his molecules dont get all rearranged.. wait
untold cradle
It would be really interesting if “Sigma” is actually a collection of the memories and personalities of multiple Sigmas across different realities
pearl portal
clearly it aint a good mental state fam
untold cradle
I think that’s the case too, just entertaining the idea
peak escarp
the different outfits just represent different parts of his story
lament prawn
i love the complexity and depth in his character, i just hope the overwatch universe doesnt take a turn into this darker version of it and that its just sigma
deft ledge
Do you guys think he is floating?
deft ledge
Yeah, he is bobbing up and down in the last scene
untold cradle
Multiple personality disorder is the most likely case
flint sequoia
yeah i just was about to say "wait he floats"
worthy rose
they added
untold cradle
But it would just be so interesting if he’s the accumulation of the memories/personalities of multiple people stuck in one body
flint sequoia
wat
deft ledge
?
flint sequoia
lol
worthy rose
no way he has a shield
deft ledge
It even has a blue liquid tube under the weird object on his arm
worthy rose
probably to charge blackhole
untold cradle
His powers will probably not be associated with shielding in-game (at least not the traditional blue shield type). The suit is most likely there for him to actually channel and control his powers
lament prawn
talon are taking advantage of his insanity, but how do they know said insanity wont lead to him abandoning them or screwing them over during a mission? did they promise something?
untold cradle
Space guy, he works with space, made the black hole in space
peak escarp
(also I think he may be linked to Lucheng Interstellar's space station, since you can see him in space in his trailer)
lament prawn
it can tbh, what other map would be more fitting for the preview?
untold cradle
He most likely worked with Lucheng
peak escarp
Lucheng has a space station that experienced an emergency
this could be that emergency
worthy rose
yeah
peak escarp
also here's the whole gallery if you want to see the high quality art from the trailer
I wonder how much information Nesskain is given before he works on these trailers
this is his 7th origin trailer
pearl portal
how many orgin trailers have their been
peak escarp
every hero has had an origin trailer
worthy rose
Did Lucio and Zen have one?
peak escarp
*every hero since launch
worthy rose
okay yea
peak escarp
different artists did Ana, Sombra and Orisa's
Doomfist's was an anime fight
Nesskain has done every one since Moira, plus the intro trailer for Uprising
the only launch heroes that have origin trailers are Tracer and Soldier: 76
I wish they would make them for everyone else
lament prawn
why does the only version of tracer's i can find have terrible audio quality?
is it on their website or something?
hasty surge
Well bastion's binary or what ever the short is called
peak escarp
Bastion's would be The Last Bastion
@lament prawn it's not on their website
it was never uploaded
lament prawn
the last bastion had no dialogue and was one of the most emotional ones, you dont need words to tell a story
peak escarp
the only version is the one someone recorded at Blizzcon
lament prawn
hmm, why was it never uploaded i wonder?
brisk bay
I just watched sigma origin story, and I think this is the first time I've actually cared about OW lore
peak escarp
they probably forgot
brisk bay
that video was DOPE
lament prawn
one's already available for all to see, and they showed it publicly at blizzcon - i doubt it was supposed to be a vip special experience, its an origin story for a character
brisk bay
do we have any further lore for sigma apart from the origin video?
pearl portal
not yet i think?
peak escarp
just that right now
lament prawn
sigma's lore route is probably meant to please those who prefer a darker story, i think im just gonna stick to my tracer/hammond/d.va/core overwatch in general lore lmao
worthy rose
sigma's voice actor and sound design legit made the trailer for me
finally something out of overwatch were im not caring more about something else than the action. mccree pie
brisk bay
agreed
sigma lore is for sure the most intriguing aspect of OW lore I've seen
loving it
lament prawn
overwatch has such a vibrant universe with, imo, great writing, if only they'd present it in an organized manner in a preferably cinematic or interactive experience
they delivered brigitte's "but a hammer and tools can't fix all problems" line more emotionally than tracer retelling the time she got physically ripped out of time.
peak escarp
they're come a long way in 5 years
pearl portal
has it been five already
lament prawn
they really have, here's hoping its not a two in one deal that comes with darker writing
north flame
I'd prefer a bit of darker writing to flesh out the shadier organizations
lament prawn
to each their own obviously, but there's so much of that out there and overwatch was meant to be one of the far and few optimistic and cheery outlook on the future
peak escarp
same
lament prawn
and so far, they've stuck to that until sigma
peak escarp
I don't want things getting too dark
pearl portal
i dont see how they could get toooo dark
lament prawn
watch pretty much any futuristic movie
or see the tone/mood in cyberpunk 2077
promising game but ugh, the dull atmosphere
really takes me out of it
pearl portal
if theres one character that should be dark its widow
worthy rose
So i think sigma originates from the moonbase
lament prawn
widow is pretty dark
worthy rose
But talon attacks the area to kidnap him
So did talon actually kill all the scientists, and blame it on the apes?
pearl portal
jetpack cat flew to the moon
worthy rose
How do you know he wasnt?
A lot of the rooms look like it, plus at the very end they show him there in game
lament prawn
well its not really confirmed, but that colony specializes in testing animals, and they're called "specimen" while sigma is referred to as "subject"