Imagine a giantly buff omnic female
#lore-discussion
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fringe blade
I just honestly don't see why people assume that the omnic is a male
There isn't any indication that he is male nor female
fringe blade
Voice changers are a tool that criminals use
and being an omnic would make that 100% easier
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Which we haven't seen used in OW universe
fringe blade
And?
Doesn't mean it doesn't exist
Just because something hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't be used.
late torrent
It's called consistency
fringe blade
...
We never had a situation in which we saw a character who it would make sense for to use a voice changer
late torrent
Also
Using voice changer in call is logical, using voice changer in meeting undiguised is illogical
fringe blade
And...?
late torrent
Considering high end meeting he probably knows a lot about him already
What's the point of voice changer?
You think Doomfist is so stupid as to meet with completely unchecked person?
In that case there wouldn't even be a meeting
Considering the way they're speaking, Doomfist clearly knows who he's speaking to, there's no point in hiding identity
Rather using voice changer would be inappropriate towards other side
fringe blade
It doesn't mean that the omnic knows that DF knows. The omnic is going to meet with a dangerous criminal, the head of a giant criminal network.
fringe blade
They would try to keep as much anonymity as they could.
What if DF doesn't know their real voice?
late torrent
The fact that DF is doing a personal meeting already means something
fringe blade
Yes, but it doesn't mean that DF knows EVERYTHING about the omnic.
late torrent
Does the voice matter to DF? If he knows the identity
And likewise, does it matter to hide the voice if it won't help anyways?
fringe blade
If I were the omnic, I would try to hide everything about myself that could be used against me, even if I knew that my 'enemy' knew my identity. What if you go into a meeting completely uncovered, revealing information that wasn't previously known
late torrent
The problem in that judgement is the profile of the omnic
Df wouldn't meet with a small pawn, right?
fringe blade
Which means that not revealing even the smallest bits of info could be extremely crucial.
If it was a small pawn, who cares.
But since the omnic is the big bucks, anything is valuable.
late torrent
Someone on equal or bit smaller standing as DF means there should be already a lot of info
Voice changer is only for personal security, for small pawn it would matter a lot
fringe blade
A voice can be used for a lot of things.
balmy swallow
More like, in the case of the predator-doomfist meeting, the predator is actually on a losing battle, and doomfist is actually offering help
there is really no reason for a voicechanger in this case
since we can assume to start the meeting the predator identity is already quite known to doomfist
in fact using a voicechanger would cast doubt on doomfist.
it is likely to be a meeting between these two only, and not to other people.
so with such a level of contact, a voicechanger is both useless and unnecessary.
hallow vessel
well if there is a voice changing hero, that could previde in game mechanics
such as that charater randomly yelling chatter that you would usally here from your own team
hasty surge
I think this argument is just really unlikely
hallow vessel
such as a teammate saying "behind you"
hasty surge
That would be bad story writing
hallow vessel
i see that
plush copper
yes
lament prawn
http://prntscr.com/og9f73 have these two met?
worthy rose
Not that we are aware of
late torrent
Exactly what I was trying to say... it just isn't good for the story to pull half-assed things like voice changer
hasty surge
^
Anyways moving on
It's a question where hammond is now after he left the junkers
Teaser that he met up with neo overwatch?
worthy rose
No
Hammond has no place in story if I’m being honest. He only existed to further expand on horizon and junker lore
He himself based on his character
Would likely not join OW
Cause he’s all about adventure and seeking thrills than doing active good
late torrent
True
worthy rose
Im putting hammond as more of a gameplay reason character than a lore character
His addition was more so for game play and not much else
terse creek
Nah Hammond brings so much depth into the game
His backstory if not the most complex then the most important
worthy rose
Is that not what I said? Gameplay not really for lore
terse creek
Without Hammond setting the spot for overwatch I doubt the game would’ve been developed
hasty surge
He would join ow with winston
hasty surge
Yes
worthy rose
He was friends with winston a long time ago but he has no obligation to winston to do anything. Let alone seek him out
peak escarp
he could hear about Winston and go looking for him
because they were friends
Winston might convince him to join
or if not join, then at least stick around and not wander the world
worthy rose
That’s kinda his thing tho. He stayed in junker town to have a good time and is now done with that and just wants to explore the world. Stopping Talon or doing anything for winston wouldnt follow his character
peak escarp
we barely know his character
worthy rose
We know what he’s done and that gives a good indicator of his character as well as harold winston talking about him in his trailer
peak escarp
Harold just talks about his adaptability and ability to overcome challenges
Hammond could see joining Overwatch as a challenge
worthy rose
He ran around a lot on horizon and the scientist lost sight of him frequently. He was basically a trouble maker who wanted to do his own thing and I dont think being tied down to an organization and just do good would fit him. If he wants to go roll around and check out paris or the great wall of china then so be it.
peak escarp
he probably wouldn't stick around for long
but Hammond is curious - he'd want to know what his old friend was up to
hasty surge
Overwatch does allow him to run around and explore the world
worthy rose
They really dont tho
Overwatch is currently illegal remember. Him being with them would only restrict him further cause rn he seems to be a free hampster
Or as free as you can get with a hampster ball with guns
peak escarp
Tracer doesn't seem to be restricted in any way
worthy rose
Cause she is doing it illegally. And she has Winston’s air ship thing. They travel for the purpose of stopping stuff. He wants to trVel for the purpose of having fun which based on his junker winnings I think he’s good
Rn no one is searching for hammond
But I’m sure some kind of law enforcement will eventually seek out tracer and winston for their deeds
peak escarp
okay
lament prawn
he used his time out of his cage to learn the skills of a mechanic, not because he wants to piss off the scientists or something
and i think his in-game style is more like game-d.va vs real hana song
they're trying to make him all cute with his emotes, highlight intros, sneezing, etc but could make him as relevant as they want when it comes to lore
winston could've been a raging hulk-ish gorilla that only had gorilla related emotes and no lore relevance, and we would never have expected the winston we have now
also yeah, tracer just like hammond is described as an adventurer
while i dont see his morals ligning up with tracer, he's a 14 year old one of a kind that's still learning and might not know what path to choose yet, i think there's equal chances of him doing good as there are for him being a neutral adventurer forever
i highly doubt they'll skip over a chance to have winston and hammond meet somehow, and i doubt such a meeting would go "you're alive?" and then they part ways again
peak escarp
. . . was someone seriously trying to argue that Predator is a female omnic using a voice changer?
lament prawn
yep
its one of those technically possible things that although possible, has no real place in a written story/character which gives the designers no reason to have such a thing
peak escarp
Jeff used male pronouns when talking about him
lament prawn
and there you go
worthy rose
Still nothing on hero 31? Disappointing event and delayed hero. Only a gender reveal.
peak escarp
I don't think the hero was delayed
Jeff told us about the schedule changes back in May
so they've had this on the books for at least 2 months
worthy rose
Still, the event was a disappointment.
lament prawn
while i know its the business side of things everyone must be hating, i cant help but appreciate the work and little details the artist side of blizzard puts into things, there's always something to appreciate
i always feel bad for them whenever a movie or game gets hated on
lament prawn
regardless, i dont think they're giving up on overwatch, just possibly planning something big (pve game?) and toning down the content for now before blizzcon
peak escarp
I just confused about them making content for Summer Games but then not adding it to the event
lament prawn
hm?
teal meadow
the predator has tron's voice actor, it's not modified, he can make that voice... so is male
teal meadow
maybe they forgot to put them, recently they forgot a lot
lament prawn
hm, interesting
some content obviously gets scrapped, but has anyone dug around the files? is there enough stuff to be added over time as the event goes on?
peak escarp
they did make duplicate voice lines for Anniversary, so maybe they forgot
teal meadow
^
peak escarp
Ashe's "bullseye" line is similar to one of McCree's elimination lines
teal meadow
or maybe they couldn't add ashe's line because other countries didn't managed to get the voice actors in time
(as a remind other countries have different dubs)
peak escarp
teal meadow
bullseye is a cowboy thing
might be just a reference to western movies
Btw, you think the storm rising secret character (predator) has a connection to echo?
peak escarp
!!shitposting @solemn tartan
twilit nacelleBOT
@solemn tartan Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
peak escarp
what makes you think that?
solemn tartan
He might be gay for the robot from storm rising
peak escarp
again, what makes you think that?
they've had a whole 15 seconds of screen time together
solemn tartan
Because slowly everyone in overwatch will be gay
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This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
peak escarp
still no
solemn tartan
Ooh
peak escarp
they're not related
solemn tartan
Mauga is the next hero
peak escarp
possibly
peak escarp
so? there's plenty of male characters who are potentially the next hero
solemn tartan
Torbjorn’s 84 children for next hero
peak escarp
the omnic from Storm Rising, Hamid Faisal, Bruce, Emre, Casino, Maximilien
peak escarp
yes
solemn tartan
How come no one talks about him in lore?
peak escarp
we haven't had any progression on that story
peak escarp
exploring the world, looking for adventure
solemn tartan
I want Hammond to join Talon
peak escarp
why?
solemn tartan
I want him to fight Winston
lament prawn
this is less lore related than the random fun skins we get
lament prawn
i really want more lore skins, they could be a fun way to introduce lore and speculation
solemn tartan
(Squeaky squeak)
I’m working with Talon
lament prawn
its not like the characters wear their signature uniforms 24/7
peak escarp
Hammond is not working with Talon
peak escarp
he's having a midlife crisis and trying to come to terms with the fact that his brother is still alive
solemn tartan
I heard he found junk rat
peak escarp
no
lament prawn
all the while being extra about it
solemn tartan
Yes
peak escarp
voice lines are not canon
peak escarp
no
lament prawn
solemn tartan
lament prawn
genji's having issues with his cyborg form, he needs reasurance
solemn tartan
Mcree is actually bi sexual
peak escarp
no
lament prawn
where did the mcree and hanzo thing even come from?
solemn tartan
Yes he did
peak escarp
because they're both attractive men and that's all Tumblr needs
lament prawn
good point
solemn tartan
Are you -89 brain cells
peak escarp
when did McCree meet Hanzo?
solemn tartan
They met in overwatch
iron plume
kay that's enough
solemn tartan
Yea if u chose Hanzo
peak escarp
Hanzo isn't a member of Overwatch
iron plume
!!shitposting @solemn tartan
twilit nacelleBOT
@solemn tartan Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
solemn tartan
How!)
iron plume
next one will be from mods
solemn tartan
That’s my theory
lament prawn
hanzo isnt even in overwatch
peak escarp
your theory doesn't work
lament prawn
player 1 can choose tracer and player 2 can choose widowmaker, that doesnt mean they work together
peak escarp
gameplay is not canon
solemn tartan
Sorry I didn’t know
lament prawn
some of the abilities arent even canon
solemn tartan
I watched a video
iron plume
people who don't know aren't so sure in their ignorance
and don't say the people who correct them have "-89 braincells"
solemn tartan
Where they said that voice lines were cannon
peak escarp
that video was wrong
solemn tartan
It’s a joke
peak escarp
this isn't the place for jokes
solemn tartan
I theory that Echo is Athena
iron plume
or at least not these jokes
peak escarp
she isn't
worthy rose
What is the most non-cannon ability?
lament prawn
off the top of my head, mercy's resurrect
solemn tartan
And made a twin
solemn tartan
Umm
peak escarp
lament prawn
there's that too, yeah
iron plume
resurrect isn't canon but she might have something close to it
worthy rose
We haven't had much zenyatta lore, transcendence could possibly be canon
iron plume
whereas we don't even know if zen actually heals
peak escarp
Athena is not a robot
lament prawn
she probably does, considering genji
peak escarp
she's the AI in Winston's lab
lament prawn
and is her caduceus staff's functionality even remotely close to what we see in-game? have we seen her use it in the lore?
iron plume
genji was brought from brink of death
which might sound close but is kind of a big deal
solemn tartan
iron plume
and we don't know how the staff works
worthy rose
attack beam seems non-canon. boosting the power of electricity, bullets, ice?
peak escarp
@solemn tartan stop
iron plume
yeah it definitely won't be canon in this form
solemn tartan
Mercy might be
iron plume
firstly because how would it work
solemn tartan
Working for Talon
iron plume
and secondly because she's a pacficist
solemn tartan
Because
iron plume
don't finish that
peak escarp
except she didn't
peak escarp
Mercy is a good person who opposes Talon
solemn tartan
Moira turn Gabriel into Reaper
peak escarp
that's the first right thing you've said
lament prawn
mercy's against even overwatch's use of lethal force and violence and only tolerates it because its for a good cause, she would never be interested or support talon
grand bluff
Yes that doesn't mean she's working for Talon. We have no other evidence to confirm that
solemn tartan
I theory Lucio might fight Symmetra
peak escarp
that's possible
worthy rose
she was even against the creation of the biotic rifle. she is a major pacifist
solemn tartan
Because she works for vishkar
I theory
Bastion might kill Torbjorn
Because of ptsd
Or injure him
peak escarp
I think Torbjorn would be more careful than that
lament prawn
main characters arent going to die by chance like that, that's bad writing
solemn tartan
I think we might get a Hammond Short
grand bluff
@solemn tartan don't just throw a bunch of random theories out there, it would be best if you were discussing lore that already existed rather than things that haven't
lament prawn
unlikely but fully supported by me :(
solemn tartan
Hammond needs more lore
peak escarp
a Hammond short would be interesting
peak escarp
Bastion has an interesting history
lament prawn
in-game, he's getting the cute/fun/lighthearted treatment d.va was getting up until she got her surprisingly serious and emotional short, so we might be surprised
peak escarp
and its story with Torbjorn also has potential
solemn tartan
You know Hammond might meet Winston
lament prawn
it would be nice for them to stray away from the generic use of fluffy animals as child's play or comedy
solemn tartan
And join Overwatch
peak escarp
he isn't
solemn tartan
He is handicap now
peak escarp
that's Dr. Chao
solemn tartan
Oh-
peak escarp
because Max said "Doomfist will be in Singapore in 3 weeks"
solemn tartan
Don’t report me for this I’m confused
peak escarp
and that fight happened in Singapore
solemn tartan
Can I write
lament prawn
i find it interesting that mercy warns tracer about using her chronal accelerator, knowing she has no other choice really
peak escarp
that would be cool, but I don't think it will happen
lament prawn
they dont have the rights, and even so it would not be lore related
solemn tartan
Oh
peak escarp
cross licensing is difficult with Nintendo
lament prawn
it would be a nice boost of publicity on both ends, but more on the overwatch side
iron plume
it'd 100% be more beneficial to overwatch than to nintendo
and they're infamously clutchy with their ip
solemn tartan
You know that Sombra might leave Talon
grand bluff
What makes you think that?
lament prawn
it's not like they'd be trying to own pikachu or even take anything from him character-development-wise
peak escarp
Sombra is more of a free agent - she works with whoever is useful to her
solemn tartan
She said that She only uses Talon for her own goals
lament prawn
i'd like to see what route she chooses once her "purpose" is done
peak escarp
right now, that's Talon
solemn tartan
In her reveal trailer
peak escarp
yes
solemn tartan
I think her goal is to have information on everyone
lament prawn
"if you hold the information, you hold all the cards"
and she basically does have information on everyone
i wonder if the slipstream accident wasnt a mistake
lament prawn
it was a test flight, if thats what you mean
lament prawn
but im wondering if someone deliberately caused the accident in the hopes of getting rid of the project, or tracer, but most likely the project
solemn tartan
Also who is Soilder gay for
solemn tartan
Then how he gay 🗿
Oh
Nvm
It wasn’t his ex
The were friends
Jack had feelings
peak escarp
he was his boyfriend
peak escarp
that's very homophobic of you
solemn tartan
Not the reason
It’s because when overwatch launches
I made a stupid bet with my friend
Before Over watch 2
lament prawn
why? the execution of both tracer's and soldier's homosexuality wasnt bad. they were both deep and developed characters, neither of which were supposed to be the "bland gay character" like a lot of games/movies had
solemn tartan
If Soldier was gay I had to give him 25 dollars
He said that in this modern age
Soldier was destined to be gay
twilit nacelleBOT
@eager rover Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
lament prawn
characters are supposed to be fleshed out and relatable, if they cant be gay then they cant be straight or anything either by that logic
solemn tartan
Like how Torbjorn had 84 kids)
iron plume
sounds a lot like shitposting
solemn tartan
I think Torbjorn might be Depressed
peak escarp
why?
solemn tartan
He hates overwatch
peak escarp
Baptiste didn't
solemn tartan
Well Rienharth got kicked from Overwatch
lament prawn
oh, ah yeah
peak escarp
maybe others were just in it for the money too
Reinhardt was forced to retire, but he still loves Overwatch
lament prawn
rein seems to have this mysterious thing going on that sombra knows about, any details about it?
peak escarp
yeah, a lot of people want story mode
lament prawn
here's hoping for a pve game
solemn tartan
Like they release new chapters every few months
And it comes with an animated short
lament prawn
i saw someone suggest a small mission for each character that gets dropped that would essentially be their origin story, would have been cool but the game doesnt support those mechanics and neither does blizzard's budget
peak escarp
they'd have to make a new game
solemn tartan
Blizzard does not care about the fan base and lore
lament prawn
leaks say otherwise
solemn tartan
It’s all about overwatch league
peak escarp
Blizzard might not care, but we do
lament prawn
there's a rumored "overwatch 2" to be revealed at blizzcon that says it might be a story PvE game
peak escarp
that's what I was talking about
lament prawn
the main game doesnt support the mechanics to allow for a fleshed out story experience, it needs to be running on a new engine
the placeholder name might be "overwatch 2" but it probably definitely wont be some sort of remaster
that type of thing is not needed and would ruin things
peak escarp
it won't be free to play
lament prawn
not in the near future
peak escarp
Jeff said "currently no plans for going free to play"
solemn tartan
Is junkinstien revenge cannon?
lament prawn
no
peak escarp
in a sense
solemn tartan
No like how they told a story
peak escarp
it's a story Reinhardt told at a Halloween party
solemn tartan
Yea that
peak escarp
but the characters in his story aren't Junkrat, Mercy, Roadhog, etc
they just look like them for the sake of skins
solemn tartan
Guys if there is one thing you want in the lore, what is it?
For me I want Gabriel back
peak escarp
I want to know how McCree lost his arm
solemn tartan
They already said it 🗿
peak escarp
no they didn't
solemn tartan
He was on a train
peak escarp
they said "that's a story for another time"
solemn tartan
And his arm blew up
solemn tartan
!!shitposting @solemn tartan
limpid agate
If you know it's a shitpost, why did you say it
lament prawn
something i want to know is whether or not slipstream's accident was deliberate, kinda unlikely but would make it even more personal for tracer considering she already gave up her pilot career over it
lament prawn
wasn't she like, a great pilot that always wanted to be one?
peak escarp
yes
limpid agate
Why would she deliberately crash a plane
peak escarp
she didnt stop being a pilot when Overwatch recruited her
lament prawn
im not talking about whether or not overwatch recruited her, im saying the accident is why she's an agent and not a pilot now (correct me if im wrong)
lament prawn
no, i mean whether or not someone deliberately caused the malfunction, obviously not her
oh, cool
limpid agate
For what purpose
peak escarp
there's nothing hinting that it was sabotaged, so I don't think that's likely
lament prawn
yeah i dont think its likely, they never touched up on her origin after that
worthy rose
ok so i had a question about tracer's chrono accelerator
its basically meant to keep her anchored into this time, right?
iirc before winston built it for her she would phase in and out of "time"
iron plume
yes
worthy rose
and another thing, the being that pharah and her team found/fought, was there just one comic on it or was there more to that story?
iron plume
there's backstory to how it was originally shut down in bastet
but nothing else present time
it's not much
worthy rose
oh yeaahhh i forgot about that
i basically went through a lot of older stuff and was just confused
i remember reading that Reinhardt had some weird psychosis/schizophrenic episode where he would see dragons randomly
(I'm probably remembering that wrong)
iron plume
it's not wrong but it's not entirely clear
he might be actually seeing them but it might also just be a visual metaphor
worthy rose
so is that where that voice line "i slay dragons" comes from?
iron plume
yes
worthy rose
ah ok, cheers
peak escarp
If it's not just a visual metaphor, Rein's forced retirement may have something to do with it
maybe he started hallucinating while on a mission and it put the team at risk
quiet oracle
with the new skins, is it canon that torb shaves his chest?
theres no way its naturally that smooth
peak escarp
his legs have plenty of hair, so maybe
people complained when McCree didnt have enough body hair
and that he was too fit
turbid ember
i don't see why that would be an issue lol
timid eagle
McCree being too fit? Uhhh....
peak escarp
Tumblr thinks he should have a dad bod
timid eagle
Dude is a homeless gunslinger for hire that also suffers from a bad case of vigilantism.
limpid agate
Tumblr thinks a lot of things that don't make any sense.
timid eagle
Doesn't really make much sense for him to have a "dad bod" when he's mostly on the run.
limpid agate
It doesn't make sense for any special ops Overwatch key player to have a "dad bod."
craggy oar
Tumblr lulw
limpid agate
Torb should be jacked
He's just short
He's not fat
Have you seen the size of his arms
Or the load he carries
timid eagle
I know his arms a beefy as heck. But he sports a tum-tum.
worthy rose
I imagine rein takes him out drinking a lot
hasty surge
I imagine rein goes drinking and brigitte stops him
limpid agate
I doubt that
compact jolt
Lol
worthy rose
she stops him from stinking up the van
static edge
How would Hanzo of known Genji was auctually genji in the animated film? all we got to see was his eyes and some of his skin?
peak escarp
because of the dragons
hasty surge
Well brigitte may stop him from drinking too much:p
static edge
yea
but before that
he said only a shimada can control the dragons and asked who it was
he only realised it was genji when he showed his face
peak escarp
who?
peak escarp
Mercy's name is Angela
peak escarp
. . . what?
peak escarp
okay, I still don't see how that answers who Evelynn is
hasty surge
It doesn't
Let's move on
Anyways my point
Mercy never had any adoptive parents correct?
peak escarp
none that we know of
although she was close friends with the Lindholms
and she must have had someone looking after her
peak escarp
we still don't know if she was at an orphanage at all
she could have been taken in by family
hasty surge
So we can't be sure that the name "ziegler" belongs to her adpotive parents or real parents
hasty surge
Lol there's nth new we can discuss
peak escarp
there will be something new soon Soon™
"Colomar" might have come from the street in Dorado
hasty surge
What's Colomar?
hasty surge
Cool
peak escarp
there's a street on the Dorado map that is "Colomar street"
hasty surge
We shall see if we are going to sombra's back story we might deal with the Los Muertos gane
Too many things in overwatch lore to explore right now
turbid ember
too many things?
dusty fable
I think it would be interesting to see if widowmaker gained atleast some of her memories back....
bitter valley
what about ZENYATTA LORE
somber bridge
bruh zen needs lore badly
he's legit recieved NO lore whatsoever
he's overdue for an archives blessing
bright edge
@dusty fable She was seen visiting her husband grave on christmas so she has some kind of memory
bright edge
you need to check Moira-Widow interaction, i don't have permission to upload stuff here.
How do you feel?
I don't feel, that's the point, right?
Or something like this
worthy rose
Close enough
worthy rose
They didnt. If they did they would have stated so.
We made a brainwashed emotionless blue lady. If she had amnesia, that would have been a big thing to mention.
dusty fable
hm
ok
tis sad
she probably remembers most
but doesnt care
have yall heard the line with ana and her
probably
grand bluff
Yeah as far as I understand it widow remembers everything, she just doesn't care anymore
The only "thrill" she gets is from a kill
frosty shell
Something I wonder
Does Widowmaker's conditioning have an electronic component?
If so, can Sombra hack it?
frosty shell
However, I assume part of it must be remotely triggered
Given how she suddenly snapped and killed Gerard
peak escarp
she was conditioned, maybe through hypnosis or something
limpid agate
Or simple Pavlovian Conditioning
peak escarp
I thought maybe Gerard had said a trigger word, but then I remembered he was killed in his sleep
lament prawn
is it likely that she'll ever turn normal?
frosty shell
I doubt that Talon would want Gerard's death to be left up to chance
lament prawn
i mean, going into the future past recall, i dont know how drastic changes will be. characters need arcs, sacrifices must happen, to keep things interesting and written well. widowmaker turning back into amelie would be a huge change, unless she merely swaps to overwatch and is still a sniper. a change as big as removing the widowmaker would be like another main hero dying or something, would they ever do such a thing?
frosty shell
Widow could turn normal again in lore
Though I don't think it'll happen soon
The fact that it took 2 weeks to kill Gerard definitely indicates Talon triggered things (though I guess there could've just been some sort of timer)
It's possible Amelie could've been maintaining a facade that whole time
lament prawn
yeah, doubt she was acting widow-ish that whole time
frosty shell
she wasn't
peak escarp
when Overwatch rescued her she seemed normal
frosty shell
yes
but she could've been secretly waiting to kill Gerard (though that's not how it seems to me)
lament prawn
yeah, must've been a really good act or a trigger, but in either scenario, why wait that long?
frosty shell
Waiting long makes sense
Someone as good as his job as Gerard would likely still be on high alert for a while
And Talon and/or Widow could've been waiting for the perfect moment
lament prawn
high alert, yes, but being suspicious about her?
lament prawn
okay, makes sense
frosty shell
Even Overwatch didn't know how Talon finally got Gerard, so the Talon plan was quite well thought out I'd imagine
lament prawn
im still interesting in seeing how far they're willing to go in terms of changes (everything from a character arc to a major death) as we go further with the lore and the game is no longer as accurate with how the characters are displayed in it
wait, overwatch doesnt know amelie killed him?
lament prawn
huh, i thought it was just a moment of hesitation at recognizing someone that used to be dear to her, regardless of what she knew about amelie's current state
frosty shell
It was, but in the comic the captions have her going "ohh... she must've killed gerard"
or a paraphrase
hasty surge
I meant wouldn't they mentally evaluate Amelie?
lament prawn
oh, interesting, i vaguely remember the comic but most of my memory of that scene came from the origin story video
peak escarp
Gerard was dead and his wife was missing
nobody made the connection that his wife killed him
lament prawn
but they are currently aware at least that widowmaker is amelie, correct?
frosty shell
well, Ana is
lament prawn
tracer got up close and personal in "alive"
frosty shell
Tracer probably never met Amelie
lament prawn
ah
peak escarp
Amelie was the wife of an Overwatch leader
frosty shell
We don't know how much of the rest of the world knows about Widowmaker
they presumably know a blue-skinned assassin killed Mondatta
and saw her on the OW Museum's security footage
hasty surge
How did ana knew then?
peak escarp
Ana was an Overwatch leader
frosty shell
she would've known Gerard and Amelie
peak escarp
she probably knew Amelie personally
lament prawn
okay, these types of revelations and little things would make an overwatch movie or series infinitely better
i need something now
frosty shell
these things were already in the comics
In short, we still don't know what triggered Amelie to snap and kill Gerard (other than the general brainwashing)
lament prawn
i mean like, overwatch in its entirety finally knowing that amelie is widowmaker
frosty shell
that might happen
lament prawn
i wonder if the regular shorts we get now will go on for long enough to the point where they're no longer treated as character origins and such
but that's probably why they're being made in the first place, so if we dont get a dedicated series/movie/game then they might stop once they cover enough characters
frosty shell
Most of the shorts aren't origins though
They just show off adventures of the heroes
lament prawn
well, not origins, but they focus more on a single character rather than an event
peak escarp
I think only The Last Bastion is an origin
lament prawn
i worded that wrong
lament prawn
good point about alive, but arent most of them revolving around recall and characters' responses to that?
i saw reunion as our introduction to ashe and echo
peak escarp
Honor and Glory, Rise and Shine and Reunion are all responses to Recall
I guess Dragons could be too
lament prawn
shooting star was more about showing the real d.va hana song than anything
and the message about her asking for help
about that, is the gwishin bastion skin meant to be similar to those gwishin aircrafts, or did they actually have gwishin-bastion type units?
peak escarp
I don't think the Gwishin have bastion units
it's probably just a reference
like Deadlock Torbjorn
lament prawn
ah
frosty shell
They might be able to make Bastions but those wouldn't really be useful at sea
limpid agate
Recall, The Last Bastion, Rise and Shine, and Honour and Glory are all origin stories.
Counting Recall because it shows what inspired Winston as a child, as well as being the origin of the main present day plot.
frosty shell
Is it fair to assume that MEKA is just one part of the Korean military's defensive measures?
lament prawn
i doubt korea's main defense is 5 gamers
frosty shell
yes
lament prawn
oh yeah
frosty shell
I wonder if the other military forces are attacking the Gwishin at the same time as the MEKAs
is what I somewhat mean to say
lament prawn
there was a description somewhere saying meka was formed to combat the gwishin attacks, but i'll have to go back to see if they worded it as "combat the attacks" or "help combat the attacks"
peak escarp
Twenty years ago, South Korea was attacked by a colossal omnic monstrosity that rose from the depths of the East China Sea. The massive, lumbering construct caused catastrophic damage to coastal cities before it was driven back beneath the waves. In response, the South Korean government developed a mechanized armored drone unit, called MEKA, to protect urban environments in future engagements with the omnic threat.
lament prawn
hm, doesnt rule out that the korean army is also fighting it
this "massive, lumbering contruct" is what d.va was fighting in the theatrical trailer?
peak escarp
I guess so
frosty shell
yes
peak escarp
yes
frosty shell
es
worthy rose
The mechs are new too
frosty shell
I know when we got Busan I was somewhat disappointed no Omnic damage was visible
peak escarp
MEKA was originally drones
lament prawn
i guess its not the same event then? the one we saw in the teaser?
frosty shell
The event we saw in the teaser must've been a different battle
lament prawn
different battle, same monster, i guess?
frosty shell
perhaps the one that knocked the other 4 mechs out of comission
peak escarp
the "We are Overwatch" teaser isn't canon
lament prawn
or same model at least, or similar
peak escarp
it's just a trailer for the game
lament prawn
hm, yeah, but it must have been based on something
peak escarp
to show off the characters
frosty shell
I do assume the appearance of the Gwishin in that is canon
lament prawn
such an abstract enemy cant be just there for show as a generic thing (like the generic bank robbery shown in soldier's bit)
or whatever tracer was doing in numbani?
i dont know
not canon, shouldnt take it seriously
frosty shell
That's probably not canon though we have no idea
The appearance of the Gwishin matches between We Are Overwatch and Shooting Star
The main advantage I can see MEKA having over conventional warfare is the ability to get up close to the Gwishin
We can't see how close this shot is to dry land, but it does tell us something about MEKA combat
worthy rose
@limpid agate is there anything about a "Sigma"?
limpid agate
!!wiki Sigma
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Sigma
worthy rose
ah ok
limpid agate
They're literally nothing
limpid agate
Based on?
worthy rose
There was an internal discussion with Blizzard with World Cup GMs and they shared with us a screenshot that had Sigma as the most played hero
They quickly deleted it but we were all able to download it
limpid agate
Lemme do some reading
worthy rose
I assume this will be discussed later but this sure would be another Ashe/Baptiste
limpid agate
Unfortunate
If it is related to Sigma, the fashion company
A fashion designer hero would be weird
But as of now, there is no character tied to fashion design or with that name/appearance
The only thing I can think of is
Sigma is the codename for someone we have the name of but not the face
Like Hamid Faisal or Liao.
But guessing which one it is would just be random, if its anyone
If it is someone we know the name of, it wouldn't be the first time it happened
Just look at Wrecking Ball Hammond
But that's not anyone we have the face of
So no Mauga
No Storm Rising Omnic
I think the only potential contenders for named people are:
Hamid (Arabic)
Emre (Turkish)
Liao (Asian)
worthy rose
So the meeting was just to inform us of possibly locking 2/2/2 into World Cup when we compete, and showed us the concept career profiles in their future patches
worthy rose
Well yeah he has to be, it's the tank cycle
limpid agate
The only other tank is DVa
And they have 5 games played for that role
Theoretically
worthy rose
The assumptiom is that he's an Off Tank
I was just curious if the name has any relevancy
worthy rose
Well, gonna learn more probably
limpid agate
Probably before September 1st
worthy rose
Oh definitely, they're most likely gonna have some background story released for it
So new hero leak
peak escarp
yes
we're already discussing it
it's not a face or name we've seen before
but it could be a codename for someone we know, like Hamid
dapper shuttle
Have we seen that blue boarder before? I think we have, on a dev account but I can't find sources
worthy rose
U mean around the level?
limpid agate
If you mean the blue on his head
All 3 of the names we dont have faces or codenames for that are potential heroes
Have blue links
Hamid's computers are blue
Liao/Emre were part of Blue Overwatch
All you can say is "He looks/doesn't look Arabic/Turkish/Asian to me."
To try and narrow down which one it is
peak escarp
it's a tiny headshot, it's hard to see what his ethnicity might be
dapper shuttle
Oh my bad sorry I meant the player's boarder, the blue lvl boarder
Greek
Sigma is a letter of the greek alphabet
worthy rose
Thats a diamond border
limpid agate
Ok
peak escarp
could be Greek
limpid agate
We dont know any Greek characters
peak escarp
could just be a codename
limpid agate
But we do know that Hamid has links to Ilios digsite
frosty shell
sigma could definitely be the development codename
limpid agate
So if you want to make the Sigma/Greek relation, that makes Hamid more likely than the others
dapper shuttle
Ioannidis more like?
frosty shell
is there a possibility someone in Blizzard faked the leak?
dapper shuttle
He's the greek one?
limpid agate
Sure, he's the greek one
But he's not the important one
That would be like, instead of giving us Hammond
We got Susan
dapper shuttle
He's the one at the site Talon has set its sights to
frosty shell
I don't want to believe the leak is real but it's not got much against it
limpid agate
It was given to World Cup GMs by Blizzard directly, and then deleted
peak escarp
and who is Sigma
limpid agate
Also that
frosty shell
There still are other possibilities (Sigma could be the code name for the hero)
limpid agate
Same
dapper shuttle
Sigma makes haute couture for bots IIRC
limpid agate
Sigma is the name of a Numbani fashion company
frosty shell
I'm not 100% sure why Sigma would be in this, but it would make sense considering that the Blizzard employees are likely playing a future patch
limpid agate
Which may or may not be realted
limpid agate
@frosty shell Heroes are typically a permanent member of the internal roster by the time we get the previous hero
frosty shell
makes sense
limpid agate
Baptiste was a permanent member of their builds when we got Ashe
Sombra when we got Ana
Etc
frosty shell
It's unlikely but Blizzard could be making fake s
limpid agate
The odds of that are non-zero, but basically zeo
limpid agate
At this point, it is safe to assume hero 31 is Sigma
frosty shell
My idea is that the hero portrait is real but the name is not
limpid agate
The problem is
What does Sigma mean then
Because usually, internal names are just descriptions of their job
Anchora is an Anchor tank
Gadget is a hero with many gadgets
Paladin is a paladin
Alchemist is an alchemist
hot prism
Zen lore coming soon™ per Jeff
limpid agate
lmao
frosty shell
it still seems odd that we've never gotten a hero leak this early except for this (excepting maybe Doomfist in internal patch descriptions?)
hmmmmm.... looking things up OWWC Mexico did indeed post the image
cloud shard
Sigma might be the long awaited Greek hero
peak escarp
doesn't anyone read the conversation before joining?
like 5 different people have shared that image
frosty shell
It still feels a little too good to be real
limpid agate
Reminder that "Greek" was just a misunderstanding from 2 years ago
peak escarp
misunderstanding of what?
frosty shell
That was nowhere near Sigma-levels of leak though
One Greek voice actor credited himself as a part of Overwatch
So people assumed that meant he would be voicing a Greek hero
peak escarp
ah
limpid agate
Someone was credited as the role "Greek" in Overwatch
People thought it was a hero
In reality
He was just speaking Greek for ambient noise on Ilios
frosty shell
yes
peak escarp
gotcha
limpid agate
Whether or not it made it in game doesn't matter. Its still something he did as work and can be put on his resume.
frosty shell
I can imagine a Blizzard employee putting Sigma in to throw people off but Blizzard's never done that
Sigma could be 32 but prob not
peak escarp
3 male heroes in a row? no thanks
frosty shell
I can't imagine nobody would notice Sigma before releasing that image
but that's just me making excuses
peak escarp
well, we'll find out soon
frosty shell
yes
peak escarp
in the next few weeks
frosty shell
Or the artwork could just be the filler artwork used for heroes before their real art gets put into the game? That doesn't quite fit though
Sigma being Emre makes the most sense to me
if he's a preexisting hero
But when did he become a tank, then
I'm betting he'll be former Overwatch
so that we can get another Archives mission
peak escarp
there's another 2 heroes before the next Archives
teal meadow
he kinda looks like severus snape
teal meadow
@peak escarp there's been 3 female heroes in a row. i don't see your point
peak escarp
that was before the numbers were even
now we have an equal number of male and female heroes - if they add too many of either, it will become unbalanced again
frosty shell
A problem with Sigma being real is that I don't know why we'd get 2 tanks with the same color?
but they might not've settled on Sigma's color
that could explain why he uses Reinhardt's
peak escarp
Reaper and Moira have the same colour, don't they?
frosty shell
but they're different classes
limpid agate
There are only so many colours
Rein/Winston are both grey
D.Va/Zarya both have heavy pink aspects. D.Va is pink, Pink is Zarya's second colour
frosty shell
ok you're right
limpid agate
Sigma at least looks like he is Grey with Blue
Which would be a new combo
OH
I know where I've seen that Blue before
frosty shell
my guess is they didn't realize that SIgma would come out after role queue was revealed
limpid agate
!!wiki Helio
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Helio
peak escarp
yeah
limpid agate
Same shade
peak escarp
Sigma has the same black and blue
limpid agate
Not suggesting its the same character or that they are related
Just that its the same shade of blue
worthy rose
So sigma is old helio?
frosty shell
It looks more like Overwatch Blue to me
peak escarp
no
worthy rose
Gotcha jewvia
limpid agate
It was bothering me all day
peak escarp
they don't look alike
limpid agate
That the blue there
Looked familiar
If we say that its Overwatch Blue
That narrows down our list of Hamid/Emre/Liao to
Hamid/Emre/Liao
frosty shell
but Hamid has never been cnfirmed Overwatch?
peak escarp
but Ana knows him
limpid agate
Since Ana/Jack both know him
frosty shell
yes
peak escarp
so there's a potential link
timber palm
wish they would drop junkerqueen already
limpid agate
And they knew him before Ana "died"
frosty shell
though no heroes who are ex-Overwatch currently wear Overwatch Blue
limpid agate
Which was Overwatch era
iron plume
they did and she was called ashe
frosty shell
I hope Junkerqueen doesn't actually come out
limpid agate
Junkerqueen isnt happening for a long time
iron plume
would be different with a visor though
peak escarp
nothing
worthy rose
im happy now
peak escarp
we don't know who he is
worthy rose
that is incredibly
coincidental
What type would he likely be?
we get leaks every week it seems
oh no i dropped my hero queue
oh no i dropped my new hero
peak escarp
they have a lot of big things coming out this summer
worthy rose
Well. If we take this as true. New hero. Never before heard of.