before or after jeff said that?
#lore-discussion
eager jackal
Maybe Jeff will remove rally and add jetpack cat for brig's ult
lament prawn
“caaat, do something”
then jetpack cat airstrikes the entire map
speaking of ults, giving the anti-violence angel an unlimited mag felt out of character
although i guess their options were limited during her rework
peak escarp
Jeff was making a joke
lament prawn
yeah, but he must have known that wording it like that would give people hope
maybe he wanted to gauge public reactions to see if it would be a good choice or not, but i dont see people talking about it much
the majority, including me, loved the addition of hammond
peak escarp
there isn't any way of adding an intelligent jetpack-piloting cat into the game that is compliant with the lore
stone spindle
Holds up a sign: TALON TANK WHEN???
turbid ember
why does mercy have unlimited ammo when ulting?
doesn't really make sense
lore wise
turbid ember
ik, but idk the reasoning lol
gameplay wise as well tbh
nothing else in her kit does anything to her gun, so ult feels kinda out of place for me
cunning ledge
I don’t think she’s ever actually used the gun in a canon appearance
hazy vortex
In the lore she probably carries it as a safety precaution
iron plume
<insert the “I’m a healer, but” meme>
wouldn’t be surprised if she didn’t have it lorewise
or if it was an incapacitation device, not lethal
violet canopy
Where TF is the zen lore
desert yacht
somber bridge
Zen exists purely to quantify why Genji has come to accept his cyborg body.
indigo oak
we need a genji x zen lore
lean prawn
there's also that little corner of the lore that involves the iris
lament prawn
i want mercy's first appearance after recall to be her swooping in to save someone like she did in the theatrical teaser
it would make sense that she wouldnt immediately answer like tracer did, considering "overwatch was shut down for a reason, maybe its best it stays that way"
peak escarp
she'll probably be in a tent, wearing scrubs and up to her elbows in blood
teal meadow
Can you speculate about theories on this chat of what will might happen in future?
teal meadow
I think zennyata is not involved that much because zen might become a new recruit in overwatch
teal meadow
He may join throw genji asking him after he helped him
peak escarp
that's the only way I can see him becoming involved in the plot
summer garnet
All I know is my boy Zenyatta needs some lore
limpid agate
Zen helped Genji before Recall
summer garnet
Don't do this to my boi, blizzard
peak escarp
I think Zen might join new Overwatch with Genji so he can reach more people
teal meadow
^
summer garnet
Genji is 15 years older than Zenyatta
peak escarp
maybe Genji gave him ideas of the good things Overwatch did in the old days
summer garnet
limpid agate
Zen and Baptiste are the most likely new recruits right now
peak escarp
Mercy could tell Baptiste to go join Overwatch if he really wants to help (send him in her place)
teal meadow
Junkrat and roadhog are less involved in the overwatch than zen tbh
limpid agate
They are their own subplot
teal meadow
Zen helped a ow member, junkrat and roadhog never had a connection at all
limpid agate
Junkertown overall had a lot of lore but is unimportant
teal meadow
Yeah, but why are they here tho
limpid agate
World building
cloud shard
They said they have big plans in the future for the junker queen
limpid agate
Going Legit shows
teal meadow
If it's not to rob them
limpid agate
They will do anything for money and explosions
peak escarp
no, they wouldn't pick a side
limpid agate
if Talon offered money to blow stuff up
Junkrat would say yes
If Overwatch offered money to blow Talon HQ up
They'd accept
But that's more of a Black watch thing
teal meadow
And then he rob them
limpid agate
And Blackwatch is dead
teal meadow
Also lucio got no connection at all with ow
limpid agate
Most Heroes don't
teal meadow
I still want to know about lucio's dad and vishcar
teal meadow
They are all connected by a character that is in ow.
Ashe=mcree
Hammond=winston
Zen=genj
Orisa=efi= that only took ispiration from ow i think
Exept for lucio, sym and dva
north flame
Orisa is not connected in the slightest lol
limpid agate
That is incredibly thin still
Because Ashe/Hammond were only related
Before Overwatch
Not after
peak escarp
Efi was a fan of Overwatch, she saw them as heroes and they inspired her
she even watched the Saturday morning cartoon
indigo oak
wait ashe n hammond r related?
worthy rose
not in the slightest
indigo oak
some1 said they were lol
turbid ember
bruh just look at them lol
sweet hazel
who is the blue girl in mcree's short called reunion
sharp trench
the omnic thing?
peak escarp
Echo
sweet hazel
who is echo
teal meadow
the blue girl you mentioned
sweet hazel
was she ever a character you could play?
stark vector
Nah, but she’s definitely going to be a character soon
sweet hazel
are there any other shorts or orgin stories with her
im watching all the characters shorts and orgin stories listed on the overwatch webstie rn
stark vector
She appears in the recall for like a split second
sweet hazel
i dont see that
i just watched recall
i saw reaper and a bunch of random dudes
wait like when he is recalling everyone
and its going through their names?
limpid agate
Shes in a retconned part of the cinematic trailet
peak escarp
the top right image is not Echo
the rest are meant to be the same robot
through different phases of her design
peak escarp
she does look like a more "modern" design of robot
compared to post-crisis models like Zen or Mondatta
or the crisis-era omnics like Bastion or the OR-14s
chassis similar to Echo's design can be found on the Temple of Anubis map
worthy rose
I wonder if there will be a next generation of omnics
like how omnics are to robots before them
I wonder if there will be something next
You can argue Genji a bit, I guess, since his feeling of not belonging even in a place where omnics and humans live in harmony is a part of his character
Considering Moira pushes the ethical boundaries of genetic experimentation, Mercy's bleeding edge healing technology, and how many heroes have robotic parts replacing limbs, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a human and/or omnic out there who want to see Genji taken further and create a bastardization of human and omnic.
Probably won't be a hero but could make a cool story if one does not exist already.
peak escarp
cyborgs are plentiful in the OW universe
a human with robotic parts is a cyborg
I don't think you could graft human parts onto an omnic
limpid agate
Ana (formerly), Doomfist, Genji, McCree, Sombra, Symmetra, Torbjorn, and arguably Junkrat all qualify as "cyborg"
Sojourn is also a cyborg.
peak escarp
I've seen a lot of people throw around the idea of Echo being a robot with a human's consciousness
but that sort of technology hasn't been seen in Overwatch, and is hard science fiction, so I very much doubt it
peak escarp
how would that work
an omnic's brain/computer is in the head
just like with humans
worthy rose
It could work in a few ways but ultimately it wouldn't because someone would need to be insane to do it
it'd be an unstable mess, like a freakshow. Not something cool like Genji
peak escarp
that's why they wouldn't do it
worthy rose
someone might try and it'd be a decent horror story
but probably wouldn't fit too well with OW's themes 
worthy rose
Are they adding new characters
peak escarp
yes
north flame
If that is actually the case, we'd probably need a nutjob coder/scientist
lament prawn
when they're creating lore for a hero, whats the "qualification" for them to be relevant enough to be considered a hero? individuals that are in or have a chance of joining OW/Talon? Because at some point, overwatch could have less to do with "overwatch" than it used to
I really want to see MEKA expanded on
more meka pilots, but obviously with very different mech designs, to the point where they could be large enough to be a tank or small enough to be dps/support.
worthy rose
you guys are way into this game
lament prawn
lore's what got me into the game to begin with, i just play casually for fun /shrug
they're doing a fantastic job with the universe so far
prisma wren
anybody else love the fact that in masquerade reaper is wearing the red death costume from the phantom of then opera?
stone spindle
If Hero 31 isn’t a Talon Tank, I S2J...
chilly peak
@peak escarp I think it's connected to OCD ^^. We can't create Talon 6-stack. We're missing something, there's a hole, it needs to be filled. We need to have it complete, whole. Something like that.
worthy rose
i will be able to unlock winged victory for mercy?
paper gazelle
ya
paper gazelle
np
thorn creek
what a friendly bastion
lament prawn
just dont make woodpecker noises
limpid agate
Gonna make a hard call here
31 is not Predator or Mauga
But number 3, Hamid Faisal
teal meadow
who?
worthy rose
A favourite around the lore discussion channel. Archaeologist from Petra who we have heard literally nothing about aside from some documents around a few maps.
No idea what his kit would surround, being an archaeologist he might be a builder/trapper? just speculation
In my honest opinion, Echo/Junker Queen will be the blizzcon release. I see sojourn as a 1st or 2nd quarter hero next year. I agree with Jewvia. Most likely one of those three. Jeff Kaplan already dropped that 'He' is hero 31, so i'm using that to justify my predictions. Mauga/Hamid look best fit. Predator maybe next year.
hasty surge
What if Bilzzard throw in somone we don't know about again?
worthy rose
Also a possibility.
But we know 5 heroes are in production, and we know the names of 4 and know of a possible 5th. I highly, HIGHLY doubt they bring a new playing in to the ring.
Being sojourn, echo, junker queen, mauga, and whatever predator's real name is
lament prawn
i want more meka, horizon lunar colony, and core overwatch agent heroes
worthy rose
Sojourn is a 'core' agent, who is very likely to come in to the roster next year.
Overlord seems like the only possible meka hero.
Would not surprise me
They have done that a lot
Ppl talk about how certain characters are teased or hinted but they do it in the broadest possible way
lament prawn
didn't they already show off some meka units that seem too close to d.va's, making it harder to make that hero unique?
worthy rose
Moira was “hinted” in a shadowey panel in the masquerade comic
Ashe wasnt hinted at all
Hammond was hinted at
@lament prawn Overlord is the only exception. Different shape, making it easier to define on the battlefield from a gameplay standpoint, and unique enough with the drones to be a hero. D.mon is far too big to make it through certain doorways, King and Casino seem bland but still somewhat possible I guess.
lament prawn
ah, interesting
thanks for the info
i thought i heard something about some sort of unidentified escapee on the horizon lunar colony aside from winston, which made some room in the lore for hammond to be introduced. does that mean it's impossible for any more horizon characters to appear in the lore?
although, i guess more than two would be pushing it, considering the ones we have now escaped together
worthy rose
Near impossible @lament prawn . Only Hammond and Winston were shown to be missing, and it is widely accepted that every scientist died in the colony, there is a theory that Harold Winston escaped but it is just that, a theory. All the other apes are in another part of the moon base from where we play on the map, or just dead.
lament prawn
oohh, having harold winston reappear and interact with winston would be nice, although i can hardly see it happening considering they made winston take his name and had a flashback scene of harold, further pushing the "he's gone" idea, and this isnt marvel so i dont see him coming back either
peak escarp
Harold is dead
lament prawn
honestly im a little surprised winston was on such good terms with any of the scientists, what with them locking him up and forcing tests and such and altering him against his will
but it makes sense if harold was the one kind scientist and the rest are moira-ish
petition to make the poor bunny a hero
peak escarp
no more animals
lament prawn
i was just kidding
that bunny's probably long gone anyway
i wonder how many non-battle kills moira has under her belt
peak escarp
I'm kinda fed up with people screaming for jetpack cat, I don't have much patience for suggestions of new animal heroes
lament prawn
eh, jetpack cat's not a suggestion that came out of the blue
if they're a fun hero that adds more vibrance to the universe, ill take them, regardless of what they are
peak escarp
it's still a suggestion that both isn't going to happen and conceptually, has already happened
Hammond is the outcome of the jetpack cat idea
lament prawn
hammond came from their wanting to make a "puppy-cute" hero as i recall, you can see it in the way he squeaks and pretty much all his emotes, im surprised how much backlash that got considering overwatch was never a realistic universe
they could have made his character more winston-ish if they wanted, but that wasnt the goal from the start
worthy rose
Overwatch was made to be an optimistic outlook on humanity’s future with of course some crazy elements
The most unrealistic thing about this game to me is that florida still exists
Global warming should have flooded that damned state
lament prawn
and i love every bit of it, tired of all the depressing futuristic games/movies we get, it's why im addicted to disney/pixar films
peak escarp
I was initially mad at them adding Hammond to the game, but once I read his backstory and his place in the universe was explained, it made sense
so I was less mad
the only other animal character I would accept at this point is Simon
lament prawn
they have so much variety in their lore and hero roster. the jack-gabriel conflict is for those that want serious-ish drama, d.va and the whole meka thing is lighthearted fun and not all too realistic, with a gamer joining the military and all, etc
it's to appeal to everyone, i assume most people arent fans of at least a few of the characters
worthy rose
#moiraDidNothingWrong
peak escarp
the cast of characters was what appealed to me
aside from McCree being basically my obsession, I love the cartoony feel of the game, how it isn't grimdark like a lot of shooters out there
past lotus
E
lament prawn
same, we have enough dull depressing games and movies to fill a lifetime, im surprised how little media we have similar to overwatch
it's why i also want more shorts or a possible series/film of some sort, to fill that empty void of cinematography with characters i already know and love
peak escarp
it's got the same sort of style/appeal that makes Pixar so appealing
lament prawn
exactly!
no wonder i got so hooked by the lore, having no idea what the gameplay even looked like at the start
worthy rose
I just want them to make 5+ movies like the MCU or make it a netflix animated series drawn the same as their cinematics or animated like the doomfist trailer
lament prawn
overwatch is a nice middle ground though, they don't shy away from showing gun fire and explosions, but they also avoid blood and gore and anything that makes the universe feel gray and dark
peak escarp
more animations would be great
lament prawn
i would pay big money for a netflix shorts series, but i personally prefer their 3D cinematics (although i understand how much more work goes into that)
peak escarp
maybe not movies, but a series would be great
worthy rose
i think they could easily do it and draw more ppl into the game
And story
But I dont think blizzard are ever gonna do that no matter how much fans want it despite the story is still open ended with lots of great characters and it would be greatfor diverse representation that isnt shoe horned and or forced
lament prawn
it would be hard to fit the whole roster into a movie, and even if they could it might be too confusing with the back and forth - but i wouldnt be against a closer look at tracer's whole slipstream thing, widowmaker redemption, sombra dragging overwatch to fight the anonymous threat, and then quitting talon
peak escarp
that's why the MCU comparison was made
they'd have to do solo/semi-solo movies that focus on a couple heroes at a time, then bring them together once they've been established
worthy rose
So like I imagine it to be like this
peak escarp
I forget how many characters are in the MCU, but they manage alright
worthy rose
The netflix series would mainly follow tracer and winston and their recruitments as well as individual journeys on occasion like how avatar the last airbender did it
lament prawn
since disney are already gobbling up everything in sight, can they just get the rights to the characters and work with blizzard to make OCU already
blizzard doesnt have the budget to make a series of movies, which is why i would prefer a series of shorts as opposed to a single film
but with shorts, you might not get enough time to get attached to the characters for any form of sacrifice to hit you as hard as a movie could
im not a psychopath but i wanna see tracer get caught in an EMP
that makes it three times, no more i promise
peak escarp
I would rather not have Disney get their mitts on Overwatch
lament prawn
as much as i hate the business side of a deal like that, if the characters are treated with respect and we get more content...
peak escarp
that's the thing
I don't think they would respect the characters
they would make changes
lament prawn
is there some sort of partnership, perhaps excluding disney, that ends up in blizzard writing the gist of the script, with the studio in charge of the animation?
worthy rose
Oh, Simon is another character that I want to see more of. If he does decide to appear, it will most likely be in a horizon lunar colony comic. I'm fine with one or two more animal heroes at a push, Simon is one I would like to see more of at least in the lore, not exactly inside the game.
lament prawn
simon?
peak escarp
Blizzard has their own animation department, and they do the job just fine
Simon was the gorilla who led the ape uprising on Horizon
lament prawn
they do, but i mean on a waaay larger scale
peak escarp
the "evil Winston" people wanted Hammond to be
lament prawn
ah
worthy rose
He would make sense.
But in general, I want more scientists in the game. Every time they say 'Scientists, adventurers, oddities' and I can only think of Winston, Moira, Mercy as the only scientists in-game
peak escarp
but for the moment, he's on the moon with the rest of the apes
so unless that changes, he won't be joining the roster any time soon
Mei is a scientist
she's a climatologist
worthy rose
Oh yeah
lament prawn
im gonna go binge the shorts for the billionth time in a bit. my favorites are the ones that have the "alive" or "shooting star" type of mood, the bit where everything goes mostly silent and d.va slowly looks up at the city getting closer, before giving in and asking for help, or tracer looking down at mondatta with a breathless "no," that's the stuff that gets me harder than any other art form can.
worthy rose
The next short will be August/November if I remember
peak escarp
yeah
worthy rose
Wouldn't mind a Zenyatta or Lucio short.
lament prawn
or mercy!
peak escarp
my favourite bits are the change in the music when Hanzo slides over to pick up the arrow for Dragonstrike in Dragons
and the whole sequence of Balderich's last stand in Honor and Glory
and Winston's "Are you with me?"
gets me every time
lament prawn
ohhhh, the music combined with rein's shield going up in slow motion, big yes
worthy rose
That scene also gives us good insight on the dragonstrike, it isn't a special arrow, it is something channeled in to the arrow I guess. Lore-wise. No sense, just for gameplay aspects I guess.
peak escarp
I wonder if he could channel dragonstrike though something other than an arrow
lament prawn
the artworks of the city in chaos during winston's speech made a big impact too
peak escarp
if he used a sword, would it just be dragonblade?
lament prawn
hmm, that short was produced in a way where green dragon symbolized one of the brothers (genji) while the blue symbolizes the other brother (hanzo), would be weird if they were interchangeable
worthy rose
Wants more in a televised format
peak escarp
it would still be blue
but it might function as dragonblade if he used a melee weapon
lament prawn
im pretty sure i heard the only reason hanzo has two dragons was for animation/mechanics purposes in-game
definitely looks cooler though
silent mist
? whats this about?
peak escarp
so maybe if Genji used his dragons with his shuriken, it might look more like dragonstrike?
lament prawn
possibly, we havent heard of any limitations regarding the "shimadas can summon dragons" rule
worthy rose
Could lead to a theory that hanzo is cybernetic in some form, and the dragonstrike is some particle or energy or something that writers like to slap on to anything they can't explain.
I wish they would just say magic
peak escarp
there is no magic in Overwatch
worthy rose
Cause there is no other way to scientifically describe the dragons and hanzo’s line “only a shimada can control the dragons”
lament prawn
my theory is ancient-ish genetic enhancement in shimadas that carried on through their blood or something, otherwise anyone can do it
peak escarp
they could be some kind of family secret and Hanzo was just being dramatic
peak escarp
because Hanzo is all about the drama
sneaking into his family home to ceremoniously honor the brother he thought he killed
having a midlife crisis at 38 and getting an undercut and piercings
lament prawn
hahaha i see it that way now
proceeding to kill/injure people on the way to do so, but who cares they're not genji
peak escarp
Hanzo's words should not be taken literally
lament prawn
watching shooting star again, i realized how much that changed my perception of d.va
its obvious now that they're using her d.va persona in-game, not genuine hana song
save for a few interactions/voicelines
lament prawn
like, entirely? i assumed in-game d.va was the persona or act she puts on during her streams or stage time or whatever
grand bluff
It's so immersion breaking to me to have so many differences in lore and gameplay. I understand why they do it but being shown how different the character is in game vs in shorts just confused me
lament prawn
the way they hide her injuries and make her out to be a hero in the news helped push that thought a bit for me
lament prawn
(not say she isn't a hero, but i mean the pose with her kissing her trophy and casual pose with her pistol)
peak escarp
I wish they would show more of Hana's real personality in the game
grand bluff
Yes
lament prawn
yeah, same
grand bluff
That would help so much if they did that
peak escarp
you see it really only in one line, when she talks about the destruction of Eichenwalde reminding her of home
the rest is all tough-girl D.Va trash talking and being cocky
lament prawn
that's the one i was thinking of, i assumed there were a few more
lament prawn
i once played one of her upbeat voicelines and it cut out mid-line and played that map triggered one, i very clearly saw the difference in tone
peak escarp
it gave us Hana's real personality, but it doesn't appear anywhere else
lament prawn
although the game-y radio filter her meka uses did taint it slightly
nice bit of detail that's the same filter heard when she was communicating in shooting star
peak escarp
and likewise, we didn't see much of her D.Va persona in the short
so it's hard to connect Hana and D.Va as being the same person, you know?
lament prawn
because there was no audience in her short
peak escarp
a better job could have been done showing her turn it on for the cameras
lament prawn
i think they took d.va being a gamer as an opportunity to break the fourth wall in-game - "woah, that's gonna be play of the game!" "pocket healer!"
peak escarp
like the press conference we see a bit of - that could have been shown with D.Va being confident and playing off their injuries like it was nothing, then she leaves the stage and drops the act
that would have also done a better job of showing how they're idols who aren't allowed to be seen suffering
lament prawn
i would have enjoyed something like that too, but not to the cliche extent where she pretends like life is good in front of her audience but in reality is depressed and being controlled by some manager
peak escarp
instead of the news report at the end saying D.Va was unharmed when we see her in a cast
lament prawn
peak escarp
it was supposed to, but it didn't quite work
we still never see the change between personas
we just see real Hana in the short, with D.Va being talked about
or D.Va in the game, with real Hana being alluded to
never both in the same story
worthy rose
Ppl also had an issue with it since it felt like the reverse of honor and glory
lament prawn
i think a live instantaneous switch might have been a bit hard. i mean, its not like she doesnt like her "hana" life, she would still be smiling and happy, just not quite beaming and doing the peace sign. a dramatic shift where she droops her shoulders and puts on a frown would have been too much, but less than that might seem a little unnecessary to see live
just what i think though
peak escarp
not that dramatic
just any kind of shift
like the difference between talking to a friend vs talking to a customer
people shift their tone all the time
lament prawn
okay yeah, i can see that
peak escarp
having her just interact with Dae-hyun means we only get one perspective
lament prawn
i think my subconscious expected the shift when she said "d.va online!" before boosting off in her mech
doesn't she usually stream those?
although that was a surprise attack, and we needed to see genuine hana asking for help
im surprised how many people in the comments were disappointed that she didn't say her ult line
kinda the point that she didnt say it
not to mention there's no such thing as an ult in the lore, they're all abilities, and i assume unlimited mechs and self destructing arent in there
peak escarp
blowing up her mech isn't something she would take lightly
lament prawn
oh yeah absolutely, she made that clear in the short
its logical that she wouldnt too
peak escarp
it would have been out of character (and a weird tone shift) if she said "nerf this!" before plummeting into the ocean
McCree didnt say "it's high noon" during his duel
although the clock did
lament prawn
ult lines are just supposed to iconic well-known lines for each hero and signals to the enemy when an ultimate ability happens
peak escarp
the only ones who say their ult line in the shorts are Genji and Hanzo (who are Extra™ anyway) and Ashe (who probably tells Bob to do something all the time)
lament prawn
it made sense for genji and hanzo to be extra, and ashe's was done so naturally and realistically that it made sense anyway, it's not a dramatic or specific line either
not to mention none of them had reverb turned up to the max
peak escarp
yeah
lean cypress
Nanites
worthy rose
There is a great almost canon thing in Overwatch that I want to be true
Actually 2 things in OW i want to be true and kinda possibly are
fringe blade
Which are?
worthy rose
That all if not a majority of law enforcement respects the OW members so much that they absolutely refuse to arrest them and or make up excuses as to why they cant or won’t cause tracer was caught on camera at the museum along with winston which I assume their government know where they live
lament prawn
also tracer was mostly immobile at the end of "alive" and there were guards everywhere after widowmaker left
worthy rose
And that McCree keeps a blog or so where he writes about his own actions in a positive light despite the media claiming otherwise
fringe blade
i imagine they function similarly to the peace corps
worthy rose
Also those guards I assume were more private sector like body guards than actual police
lament prawn
but i mean, winston initiated the recall knowing the risks, so there must have been a hideout or something
fringe blade
I feel like what Winston did didn't necessarily have to have been backed up by a lot of logic
Calling in a giant group of outlaws is a giant risk in anyway, even if you have a hideout
lament prawn
one thing that irks be about the cinematic trailer, that glass they broke to fall in? widowmaker grapples into the abyss of the sky to leave, winston flies into it, and tracer blinks into it, just... nothingness
i might have to watch it again
worthy rose
He is a citizen of I believe poland since he pays taxes to them
lament prawn
although it was just a cinematic trailer
worthy rose
And it’s kinda hard for the government not to know about the giant tax paying gorilla
lament prawn
i dont think this universe was meant to be picked apart this much lmao
its so far into fiction and stylization at this point
worthy rose
No i mean he really does pay taxes
lament prawn
http://prntscr.com/ofdxb1 okay widowmaker
worthy rose
And winston is a public figure since he was on the overwatch posters
worthy rose
It was in storm rising
lament prawn
interesting
fringe blade
Imagine doing all of that, risking your life, etc. and then having to go through being considered a criminal and an outlaw
worthy rose
I mean yea but I genuinely think no real law enforcement wants to stop them
lament prawn
it just dawned on me recently that tracer's entire clothing is a friendly warm orange, and the only cold blue on her is essentially her life support and symbol of her trauma
fringe blade
Blue is supposed to be a friendly, calming color
lament prawn
hmm, what ive gathered from watching a bunch of stuff on cinematography is that orange = warm, inviting, friendly while blue = dull, cold, dark
i assume thats partly why action films always have blue color grading and those dark hallways always seem to have that sort of tint
her accelerator is an icy blue too, not a sky blue
lament prawn
regardless, that's what it felt like to me and i think its cool
also in "alive" widowmaker is constantly coated in blue while tracer is around those orange lights
fringe blade
Its a turquoisy, which i believe (psychologically) is supposed to be also inviting and calming
lament prawn
i think considering the clashing of two very different personalities in alive and the way they used lighting to show the difference in their tone leads me to believe it was a deliberate design choice, but we'll never know for sure
fringe blade
they designed her before Alive
maybe they decided to go for it after they designed it, but idk
also, in Alive, when Widow shoots for Tracer's accelerator, was it just a coincidence that she also got Mondatta?
lament prawn
thats not what i meant, i mean they deliberately made those lighting choices in alive, so they may have also used the same color symbols in their character designs previously as artists
veeeery doubtful, she's a skilled shot and probably lined it up that way counting on tracer to blink away
especially considering she casually hoists her gun on her shoulder after the kill and says "looks like the party is over" without even worrying about the enemy in front of her
peak escarp
@worthy rose not Poland, Switzerland
lament prawn
what's a conveniently placed plot point?
worthy rose
It wasn't just a plot point, Widow's just that good at killing things.
limpid agate
^
It was meant to show that she was an expert assassin
Putting herself in a win win scenario
limpid agate
That's the convenient plot armor
lament prawn
some say her mission is over and she doesnt need to do anything anymore
worthy rose
I mean her mission in the opening museum trailer showed she had no problem shooting winston or tracer to kill
lament prawn
but if they wanted widowmaker to want tracer dead, they couldve had tracer just book it at the end. instead, widowmaker just barely disables tracer, then they have a shot of her looking down on her from above before turning around and walking away
limpid agate
Yeah
That's your
Plot armor
There is no reason, she's shown no hesitation to kill in the past
lament prawn
i wonder why they gave tracer a full beat before realization dawned on her when widowmaker said "the party is over." was she confused by the statement? was she too distracted by almost dying? i saw a comment that said she simply had too much fun chasing someone around rooftops that she forgot about the mission
limpid agate
Or just disbelief that a bullet she dodged killed Mondatta
lament prawn
or that
worthy rose
So does Tracer recharge with a port for her chronal accelerator or can it do that on it’s own
lament prawn
cinematic trailer suggests maybe it can on its own
limpid agate
Might just be near field
worthy rose
Thats what I mean
In the cinematic trailer we see her lose fuel mid fight while in the comic it seems she has to ride the train or walk back or whatever since it was out of fuel
worthy rose
This was set after during the new years comic in 2017 i believe
lament prawn
oh yeah i remember being confused about that but thought i got the timeline wrong a long time ago, then never thought of it again
perhaps they mean overwatch activity is illegal, not their uniforms
worthy rose
Overwatch activity is illegal
lament prawn
i mean she kinda needs the accelerator which she can hide in a backpack and still use effectively maybe
worthy rose
What tracer was doing I would say is an attempt at being a good Samaritan
What tracer and winston were doing in the museum was Ow work
She could but if something happens to it then she could disappear for a long period of time where as if it is constantly on her person then she is fine
lament prawn
explains all the straps
and uhh, plane seat belts on her shoulders
slipstream throwback
worthy rose
Yep
lament prawn
"bombs away!" voice line was a nice touch
why does she have so many lines compared to others?
limpid agate
She's the main character
worthy rose
She is the literal face of the game is the most popular character alongside Mercy and Dva
lament prawn
gameplay-wise i think a single iconic line would be more effective, just me though
its been years and i cant get over "heroes never die!"
last inlet
Maybe. But it's so quick that it might get repetitive
Her catch phrase is more the thing she says in spawn
lean prawn
Live with honor. Die with glory.
lament prawn
why would you do this to me
lean prawn
do you guys think there's gonna be growth in a hero's abilities over the course of the lore?
peak escarp
there has been already
Bastion's Ironclad passive represents the new armor Torbjorn made for it after taking it in
lament prawn
not really relevant but doomfist's power has been toned down for gameplay balance reasons
peak escarp
not the same thing
hazy vortex
What is bastions passive?
peak escarp
Ironclad
it gives Bastion damage reduction when in sentry and tank mode
Ironclad was added in Patch 1.8 in late Feb 2017
Torbjorn adopting Bastion was seen in the comic Binary, which came out a week later
it's hard to say which came first - did they write the comic first then decide on the passive, or did they make the passive and then decide to explain it as Torbjorn's upgrades
Small anecdote: when we reworked Bastion to include a passive damage resistance skill, I named the skill “Ironclad” to hint at Bastion’s (at the time unreleased) encounter with Torbjörn in the comic, Binary, as he’d be the one responsible for giving Bastion its new defenses!
stone spindle
Besides the Shimada Bros., wouldn’t it be cool if there was another Hero who could use “magic” like them?
worthy rose
Yea but hers have an actual in game explanation
last inlet
Zenyatta
fringe blade
Now we know the new hero is male
peak escarp
we already knew that
all the female candidates were taken off the list
so it was almost certainly a male even before Jeff said anything
limpid agate
All the likely female candidates*
D.Mon and Mirembe were not officially striked, but didn't really have a chance
@stone spindle There is no magic in Overwatch.
If you want something that looks like magic
Moira was designed to be kinda like a warlock
Sanjay also is always a contender with his access to Vishkar hard light
peak escarp
yeah, that's what I meant
any female characters who seemed likely to be hero 31 were specifically denied
which is a little odd - they haven't actively denied things that much before
usually they like to let people keep guessing
limpid agate
They've been doing it more since Echo
Before they only ever did it when the audience was too vocal over characters not in development
Liao and Recluse
Who I still speculate became Junkerqueen
peak escarp
tbh that would be pretty awesome
limpid agate
Of the mechs we have in game
None of them are as open as this
And this kind of, suspended human on robot legs
Fits Junkertown's insanity perfeclty
peak escarp
the fact that they're so vocal about Echo not being the next hero makes me think they're saving her for a special release - maybe Blizzcon?
limpid agate
Just... Redesign it visually to fit more. This can become a skin
peak escarp
I think it will be Echo for Blizzcon and Sojourn for the Spring release, so she can be playable for Archives
north flame
I'm definitely of the opinion recluse was the original junkerqueen
Enough similarities to be plausible
fringe blade
How often do we get 'out of nowhere' releases?
north flame
The last two have come from nowhere
The last batch of lore kinda just showed up as well as a precursor to a skin in game
fringe blade
Oh yea
So we need at least 2 heroes who have been hinted at
Weren't Ashe and Baptiste the only heroes who came out of nowhere?
peak escarp
yes
worthy rose
When you say out of nowhere do you mean like literally no mention in the lore/story
or like no one expected them to be heroes
peak escarp
mentioned/seen
worthy rose
Ah ok
flint sequoia
if blizzard made a movie of overwatch what should the main topic of the movie be
well actually i mean when should the movie be in the lore
worthy rose
It's why I said it needed 5 movies
1 for the original strike force days and their culmination of the first overwatch
2 for the end of the omnic crisis and the start of finding other threats cause Overwatch was around for a long time and expanded to a lot of different areas
3 would be the time tracer and the newer members of overwatch join and it ending with the fall of the original overwatch
4 would be the resurgence of Overwatch and the vigilante action with them coming together
5 would be Talon vs overwatch finale with new Overwatch coming into the light
And of course spin off movies for the individual characters with their journeys and personal goals
Such as Mei seeking out the atmospheric anomaly
Sombra with her Illuminati thing
unborn dock
valid shell
limpid agate
Without the mouth laser of course
worthy rose
I would love it if in canon he had an actual mouth laser and for that reason he doesn't speak
limpid agate
Recluse is a she
modest cove
balmy swallow
on echo, she is definitely blizzcon material
recluse is a she? @limpid agate how so?
I always see it as a IT. an omnic with the fake thing as a lure
crystal ore
She’s A Robot
crystal ore
Zen Is Not Woman
turbid ember
idk why but that made me laugh
crystal ore
Doctor The Exit To The Server Is Over There
peak escarp
?
crystal ore
U R Wrong Breathing Privallages Have Been Revocked
peak escarp
!!shitposting @crystal ore
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crystal ore
Doctor Is Scared to Talk To Me
crystal ore
And U Have A Stick Up Your Arse And Need To Pull It Out
peak escarp
because I was pointing out that Recluse is a human?
crystal ore
No
hazy vortex
@crystal ore grow up
crystal ore
@hazy vortex Chill Didn’t Know The Gestapo Was Here I Wont Commit Wrong Think Ever Again
hazy vortex
Good
crystal ore
Unlike Ur Codex
hazy vortex
I don't even play world eaters anymore, imperial Knights are better
Now let's get back to lore
peak escarp
the only realistic prosthetics we have seen have been on badguy characters - Doomfist has one, the cyborg girl who blew up the Rome facility in Retribution had one
theory - realistic prosthetics are illegal, to prevent cyborgs from cheating at sports and to prevent people hiding weapons within their prosthetics
hallow vessel
i dont think ive seen the cyborg girl befor
worthy rose
Wait what makes you think shes a cyborg?
limpid agate
She was hiding a bomb in her arm
Which she physically removes to retrieve said bomb
frosty shell
She probably just has a fake arm
timid eagle
Find it funny that the box she is carrying (somewhat) resembles the games loot box.
peak escarp
I think that was intentional
timid eagle
You could say that business is booming!
lament prawn
is widowmaker wired to get a rush out of killing?
its, according to her, the only form of emotion she feels at all
and is her visit to her husband's grave and interaction with ana a sign that feelings are resurfacing, or did she always feel that way after being brainwashed and only sees his death as some sort of ultimate sacrifice now?
hollow imp
There has been a lot of theorizing that her feelings are slowly starting to return, proof being from voice lines and animated shorts. It's not a stretch, as its impossible to permanently destroy the human ability to feel
worthy rose
I think there's a device in her helmet that applies the emotion-suppressing meds to her
lament prawn
i doubt she wears her visor 24/7, and if what you're saying is true then she'd feel immense amounts of guilt and regret after taking it off and might want to use her training to escape or destroy talon
worthy rose
So the reason she does what she does is because talon has removed her ability to feel. The only emotion she gets now is satisfaction at a good kill but the brainwashing might be wearing off given that she visited her husband’s grave so something might still be there but only time will tell
lament prawn
if a redemption arc ever happens with her, i wonder if it would be an immediate off switch with an emotional guilt/regret type of scene or if it would slowly fade like it appears to be now and she ends up just being indifferent about her whole former assassin thing
peak escarp
it would probably be a slow process as it wears off
lament prawn
would be nice to see her skin color slowly return as a sort of symbolism
peak escarp
my theory is that she wants to feel good emotions - she surrounds herself with her family home and wedding photos, visits her husband's grave, all trying to feel something
but its not working and she's getting frustrated
lament prawn
where does she surround herself with family/wedding photos? i really wanna see that
if she does all this in secret and talon is unaware, they might not know their reprogramming is slipping, and with each mission the rush of the kill could fade and she'd eventually use their not knowing of her situation to abandon them and eventually help take them down
that would be cool to see
peak escarp
the Chateau Guillard map is Widowmaker's home that she moved into recently
it used to belong to her family on her mother's side
lament prawn
oh, nice
peak escarp
her wedding photo (the one seen in her Archives spray) is seen several places on the map
lament prawn
i wonder if we'll get to play as talon in archives at some point
peak escarp
probably not
lament prawn
sombra hacking into overwatch comms and listening in
peak escarp
a lot of people think Widowmaker has no memory or doesn't remember what she did
but she does
lament prawn
"when i was a girl"
peak escarp
she just doesn't have the emotional connection to her actions
lament prawn
how much catching up left before we can go beyond the current in-game time?
did torbjorn respond to the recall? i mean, his daughter did
peak escarp
possiby
he is seen with Bastion, Winston and Tracer at the end of the Blizzard World trailer
also, parts of the lore have already gone beyond in-game time
Binary, Masquerade, Orisa's creation and Searching happen about a year after Recall
those events all happed after Christmas (Reflections) of the year Recall happened
and by my estimates, Recall happened around March
lament prawn
oh, interesting
peak escarp
from the description in WYLB, we know Recall happened about 4-5 days before a full moon
so if we find out the year, I can tell you exactly what day
for example, if the year is 2076 (the leading fan date), Recall happened on the 16th or 17th of March
hazy vortex
Doctor six, master of the moon
peak escarp
I really like tracking timelines
peak escarp
there hasn't been any announcement nevermind
teal meadow
there's an update rn
hazy vortex
That's what the oof was
teal meadow
hazy vortex
I played all day, with absolutely nothing interesting, did a placement match, and as I come off, BAM summer games
peak escarp
Hanzo's skin shows his bare legs
maybe now people will stop thinking they're prosthetics
teal meadow
I thought it was lucio the one that got speculated to have prosthetics
peak escarp
Lucio, Hanzo and Pharah
and all three have been confirmed to not have any prosthetics
lament prawn
they did not just do it to us with ana's victory pose...
hazy vortex
How much does sombra know about 'everything'?
peak escarp
what do you mean?
molten yew
`my mum has a lore
peak escarp
!!shitposting @molten yew
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molten yew
ok
hazy vortex
What sombras always being trying to find, who really runs the world
lament prawn
oh yeah, i always considered who or what she was trying to take down, never thought of how much she knows that we dont
worthy rose
Mind rephrasing that cause I’m having a hard time understanding what you are asking
lament prawn
the entity that "noticed" sombra in her origin
that she's trying to take down
this mystery organization, how much does she know about it?
worthy rose
She has that web she made
Connections to the organizations
A connection through overwatch and talon
How much they are aware of her now is a mystery cause she went “off grid”
lament prawn
if this entity really is a threat, she could have joined overwatch instead so they can help target it with genuine interest instead of using the terrosrist organization that is talon
let's hope alejandra doesnt pull anything silly
worthy rose
She couldn’t for multiple reasons
- She was just a straight up hacker working for a mexican gang and was good at it and not to keen on being restricted by rules and such especially when main overwatch was clean. Blackwatch would have been the one to take her in but they never found or busted her at all so no she would not work for overwatch.
- Sombra in her youth was a very powerless person. She was another orphan during the omnic crisis in one of the most heavily impacted areas of the world. A sense of helplessness and adverse reaction to anybody or anything having power over her I would say is her entire frame work. Have power and do the controlling. Never being the one controlled.
- Overwatch as of right now is closed and shut down. And she works with talon cause she knows there’s a connection with the organization and talon as well as Talon doing operations outside where she can get more info. That dude in anubis from old soldiers and volskya in infiltration are key examples. And what she is doing isnt exactly legal and she doesnt strike me as the person to play by other people’s rules.
- She has connections everywhere. She quite literally has a pie in every thing. Soldier found Ana because of her. It’s why he was in dorado. McCree and her also have a connection because who do you think told him where echo would be for the set up?
lament prawn
oh crap, i didnt know about that echo thing
but regarding rules, i doubt she really follows talon's rules or cares for their motives, she just pretends to and does what she wants stealthily
so wait, she's helping overwatch?
peak escarp
not directly
and its not confirmed
but she seems to be informing for McCree and possibly Soldier
lament prawn
that's probably better, knowing talon's goals and helping overwatch. i wonder what she'd do if talon were to straight up attack overwatch
worthy rose
Not really
She’s not helping overwatch to help overwatch
She’s sort of playing chess essentially
Making moves to draw out her adversary
peak escarp
she's playing both sides and waiting to see what happens
worthy rose
She doesn’t seem to care about Talon either. I think it’s like Moira where they are just a means to their specific ends rather than believing in the actual thing itself
frosty shell
wouldn't Chateau Guillard have been on Amelie's father's side?
peak escarp
at least there's something that acknowledges that Reaper is an American
I was worried that they had forgotten
peak escarp
I wonder if Genji was in kendo club in high school
summer garnet
Possible. Either way he likely did do kendo practice since he's part of the Shimada clan and all
worthy rose
And given how he just wants to have fun
I would imagine he'd be in the arcade or talkin to girls while wiggling those signature shimada eyebrows
fringe blade
I am really hoping that the new hero is really well thought-thru, if they are doing the event so soon
dawn halo
Genji is a ninja, so he must know kendo/kenjutsu.
balmy swallow
kendo is shit for fighting (too bad if you are a kendo person) as it is a martial art sports mroe than anything else, so safety first.
kenjutsu definitely
most traditional blade/weapon training would fall under some kind of kenjutsu group
even the so-called ninja groups have their origin tied to some kenjutsu training groups
fallow mortar
is solider actually gay
peak escarp
yes
fallow mortar
hahhahahahhahahahha
fallow mortar
no I just think its funny
the picture
of the guy with the solider tat
that says totally straight duder
I lost my shit
peak escarp
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balmy swallow
well to be fair we only know of ONE of his romance being with a male, and nothing else.
He can well be interested in other things also. So not improbable that he is pansexual.
peak escarp
balmy swallow
But as far as we know,a s of current he is without a mate
fallow mortar
true, but that still makes it wrong then he would be bi unless it was an experiment, but doubt he seemed really sad
peak escarp
he is gay, which means Reyes is most likely straight, since they are opposites in almost everything else
fallow mortar
well he had wife and kids
balmy swallow
that does not mean much.
peak escarp
he had a family
balmy swallow
but yes supposed to be polar opposite so a contrast makes sense
peak escarp
we don't know if he had a wife
balmy swallow
^
fallow mortar
the X-mas comic where he is stalking them
peak escarp
he was stalking a man and a woman and a child
fallow mortar
or knocked somebody up I guess
balmy swallow
we dont knwo who those ppl are, only that theya re important ppl to him
could have been his kids
or siblings
peak escarp
the woman or man could be his child
balmy swallow
^
peak escarp
he's old enough
fallow mortar
yeah maening he had kids
balmy swallow
Also, the deliberate parallel of styles used on the frame... similar to how the spawn used to watchover his family
peak escarp
or one of them could have been his spouse, and the boy isn't related to him
balmy swallow
so yeah whoever he is watching it is not a target he is trying to kill
peak escarp
right
fallow mortar
yeah overwatch confirmed it was his family
balmy swallow
also shows at least a small part of reaper is still human, so to speak
as in mentality
fallow mortar
and either way what your saying means he either had a wife or kids or both
peak escarp
I think he had a wife and that the woman in that picture is his daughter, but that's just my guess
peak escarp
of the founders, it looks like Soldier and Reinhardt stayed bachelors
Ana, Torb and Reyes had families
balmy swallow
wanda would be a nice name for his daughter
well soldier may have/had a mate
but by nature not have offsprings
peak escarp
in Bastet it says he never had a family
balmy swallow
well, he cannot if he is gay
peak escarp
He was too dedicated to Overwatch
peak escarp
a family isn't just kids and a wife
balmy swallow
well, in that case rein would "have a family"
definitely not kids and wife for rein as far as we know
but he seem to be part of torby's family
fallow mortar
yes I just saw the picture for the first time in a while and forgot about the man so it's probably his daughter or son
balmy swallow
I would actually like to see how the whole situation is from Reyes' pov
peak escarp
I meant that Jack could have had a husband, but didn't
balmy swallow
^
he could ahve adopted
but he wont
jack was too busy
and i suspect he did not even go steady with anyone else after that
lament prawn
we know about sombra, moira, and doomfists goals in talon, but do we know what reaper plans on achieving?
balmy swallow
at least not enough to be in some mentionable length
REVENGE
but dont know what he is takign revenge on, not all
we know he is seeking revenge over those who have caused the downfall of blackwatch and to him
we know he blames old ow agents for it
limpid agate
Reaper wants to kill ex-Overwatch agents
peak escarp
his motivation is unclear
limpid agate
@balmy swallow You're confusing Reaper and Soldier
Soldier wants to track down those who led to the fall of Overwatch
lament prawn
then everyone better answer recall quick
limpid agate
Reaper just wants to kill Overwatch agents because "They left me to die"
balmy swallow
well, i would say reyes does them same, but to those who cause downfall of his blackwatch crew
limpid agate
Not really
lament prawn
that amount of edge is in character at least
balmy swallow
Well those are traitor isnt it
limpid agate
No
balmy swallow
genji turncoat into ow, and mccree left
limpid agate
Overwatch is Blackwatch
balmy swallow
and we KNOW there were ex blackwatch agent in talon
limpid agate
And Genji became a normal Overwatch member after Blackwatch shutdown
balmy swallow
^
limpid agate
Thats... Not being a traitor
balmy swallow
depends on pov
limpid agate
That's like saying being transfered from sales to accounting makes you a traitor
Its the same fucking company
balmy swallow
I think not following reyes is considered a traitor in the eyes of reyes. not saying it is a right thing but yeah
Well @limpid agate in a way it can be a YES, if you consider inter-company rivalry, which is this case
limpid agate
Whatever the reason is that he wants vengeance for
Its not that
That makes no sense
balmy swallow
if i were in a big company in team-a, and soemoen switch over to a competing team-b, that makes us rivals if nto worse
limpid agate
But its not competing teams
balmy swallow
I just find reyes reason not flushed out
limpid agate
Sales doesn't compete with Accounting
balmy swallow
esp on the mccree part
limpid agate
If you want an alternative take
peak escarp
there's no indication that Reaper sees it like that
balmy swallow
i mean, if "they left me to die" is a reason, then mccree left waaay before that happens
peak escarp
Reaper's motivations are unknown to everyone
peak escarp
probably even Akande
balmy swallow
also, the reason of reyes being "left to die" is not entirely known behind the scenes too
limpid agate
Blizz shuts down the Starcraft team.
The Starcraft lead developer quits Blizzard after deleting the firewall. Then he becomes a project lead for EA.
His right hand quit before the team was shutdown.
One of his team members after the shutdown but before the firewall was deleted is transfered to Overwatch.
One of his team members after the shutdown but before the firewall just goes to work for EA instead.
balmy swallow
it has to be the swiss.
peak escarp
why the swiss?
balmy swallow
swiss incident
limpid agate
The problem with that is
The Swiss Incident
Is the aftermath of Reaper and Soldier fighting
Not the cause
They fight --> Swiss incident happens
balmy swallow
true
peak escarp
I have theories
balmy swallow
the are part of the ingredient of the incident
peak escarp
but unfortunately I'm at work and don't have time to type them out
balmy swallow
but not sure if any of them deliberately cause the explosion
which is probably reason of "reyes dying"
limpid agate
Its also the reason of Jack "Dying"
limpid agate
?
balmy swallow
i am not saying it is a "jack yeslls i have the high ground" case, but more likely
plush copper
but in reyes case it can be more literal
balmy swallow
reyes may have gotten mortal damge
and is fixed afterwards.
like by moira or whatever.
makes sense for "they left me to die"
peak escarp
@plush copper what do you mean "more literal"?
balmy swallow
as for jack he is not "left to die" he jsut survive, and media treat him as kia
peak escarp
neither of them died
limpid agate
I misspoke
balmy swallow
i dont think jack "literally climbs out of a grave" as one of the sprays
limpid agate
"They left you to die, They left me to suffer"
You being Ana
Me being Reaper
I mixed the two up
balmy swallow
i got it wrong also
hasty surge
Interesting bilzzard insider from jewvia
balmy swallow
it is a parody, no one is sad enough to be going from blizz to ea
hasty surge
You never know
peak escarp
he blames Overwatch for not finding Ana when she was thought to be KIA
he blames Overwatch for not finding him/helping him after the Swiss HQ explosion
limpid agate
I chose EA because of Command and Conquer, if there was any confusion.
peak escarp
he probably blames Overwatch for everything
balmy swallow
probably he just like to blame partly
though obviously people of talon would like to support him on his hatred.
but yes, i do see the Ana situation as the ow's fault
especially technically no one know of her getting shot on ow's side when they retreat
so technically she should be thought of as MIA rather than KIA
unless talon brag about taking her down with proof
peak escarp
they did think she was MIA
balmy swallow
would make sense so.
since there was no know reason to treat her as dead factually (no explosion and stuff on area that would point to that) and definitely no bodies
if blood and equipment is found it is actually proof that she might have made it out
So yeah the fact ow is not searching for her is a mistake.
usually organization as big as ow would have units dedicated for that, or subcontractor (many military would use subcontractors for these search/recovery type of stuff)
peak escarp
Reyes even sent McCree to go look for her
but she didn't remember who she was, and didn't want to be found
so they eventually gave up, and declared her dead
balmy swallow
the thing is, it should be jack and ow's job for that
peak escarp
McCree was an Overwatch agent
balmy swallow
and not reyes ahving to send hsi special aent mccree for such simple mission
peak escarp
Reyes trusted him the most
balmy swallow
Yes, and for good reason
but mccree is a talented special agent, and such searching mission was sipposed to be handed to more mundant personel, and not blackwatch
balmy swallow
so either reyes think of the mundane searches as incapable (possible) or jack did not send reasonable resources for that.
balmy swallow
in which case it makes sense
mundane one that is somewhat capable could have concluded that ana might be killed
though as some have said Ana's official record is still MIA
wait, does it mean pharah is having depanda benefits from ow all these years?
or at least til 18
or whatever age it is, and sam might be gettin git
peak escarp
when Ana went missing Fareeha was 26
she's 32 now; Ana went missing 6 years ago
Fareeha was also an enlisted woman when Overwatch fell
she joined the military in order to earn a resume worthy of Overwatch
balmy swallow
so no benefit for freeha
maybe for sam then
kinda sad for sam really
he seem like a nice guy
peak escarp
I'd like to learn more about Sam and his relationship with Ana and Fareeha
prisma wren
where did sam go?
peak escarp
he's still in Canada
prisma wren
so hes not dead?
fringe blade
Not as far as we know
lean prawn
reaper knows ana is alive tho, so he might be seeing a visitor soon
lean prawn
sam
lean prawn
sam is ana's husband, and reaper knows ana is alive
late torrent
Sam and Ana?
fringe blade
Yea
late torrent
Iirc it clearly says he's her husband
I highly doubt Phara is an illegitimate child
fringe blade
Ehh
About the new hero
I think he should be coming somewhere in the mid-end of August
19 or 26th
Its also interesting how much emphasis he puts on the word 'he'
late torrent
Well, we have 2 candidates, or something completely unexpected
But Mauga is still highly likely to be "him"
fringe blade
Who's the second?
late torrent
The male omnic in Archives outro
fringe blade
Ah
Right
But wouldn't that still be kind of unexpected?
We really don't know anything about the guy
late torrent
True
fringe blade
Is it even a guy
I was just thinking, is there any indication that the omnic's a male?
fringe blade
the omnic even has long (hair?)
and using a voice changer would make sense
in a risky buisness suh as that, you would want to conceal your true identity
late torrent
Not really in this case
fringe blade
Wdym
late torrent
Df isn't using one, so far we haven't seen any signs of criminal side using voice changers
fringe blade
DF is the leader of Talon, which is an insanely large corporation. I don't see why he would need to hide. Also, everyone knows who he is. He is a publicly known figure
late torrent
And it's meant to show us stuff, Blizzard would pull the "voice changer" card only if they really wanted to bamboozle the community
fringe blade
I dont see why not
late torrent
Is there a big need to do so?
fringe blade
It would be pretty cool