Anyways I don't think freezing parts of the body is actually scientifically possible
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
no, it would block circulation
hasty surge
It's a frostbite
peak escarp
yeah
hasty surge
Also just to note mei's cryogenic pod doesn't require them to fast
In the video mei is still seen drinking coffee
So whatever that is undigested or disgesting is freezed too
worthy rose
Keep in mind this is future scientific technology. Got no idea how far things advanced
It still blows my mind that by the 2070's florida hasn't sunk into the ocean due to global warming
limpid agate
It's an optimistic future
They're not going for realism
Odds are political borders will change in 60 years and some countries may just no longer exist
lament reef
Yet Haiti survived???
limpid agate
And that's not even looking at geographic borders like the ocean but flooding some islands
somber bridge
i mean, hypothetically time travel in our world does exist as well, so i can fully believe anything in the overwatch world
bright edge
about cryo freeze, yes we can do that but we don't have technology to unfreeze
somber bridge
who's to say they don't
safe geode
we dont know half the shit currently possible lol
worthy rose
mauga is basically the new hero right?
hasty surge
He will probably be a hero in the future
But if you mean hero 31
Likely
But we don't know for sure
stray laurel
Time travel is confusing as I personally don't believe it exists... as it just cant and it theoretically is impossible
As if you froze time... everything
Then you wouldnt be able to see as you would be freezing light particles which bounce off objects and reflect them back to us
And to be honest... if time travel was real why is hitler still a thing lol
hasty surge
Well there is a theory for fixed time travel as well
You go back in time kill Hitler as a baby
Then replace him with another baby
He becomes the actual Hitler instead
stray laurel
sounds big dumb
plush copper
yes
hasty surge
frosty shell
Haiti wouldn't totally flood
Even though the Overwatch world resembles our own pretty closely, there are some places (Hanamura, Deadlock Gorge) which would've been founded by our time in OW Canon which don't exist
So OW 2016 (or whenever OW lore splits off) would still have to be different
I'm curious which events from our world have been mentioned in OW lore
Off the top of my head I can think of the Cold War (mentioned in a sentence about the Omnic Crisis) and the Magna Carta (in Uprising)
worthy rose
Honestly I am still just waiting for our Hero 31 teasers
I can't wait to see what they add to the lore
if it is Mauga, then probably not much more than we already know
but if it is a new hero, then hopefully we get some more to put on that chart Doctor has
sharp trench
It better be Mauga.
peak escarp
I'd rather have the omnic from Storm Rising
worthy rose
i dont think its going to be mauga tbh
its probably gonna be someone else we havent even met yet
but then again it would be cool
In my opinion, the omnic from Storm Rising will most likely tie in to next years archives. He seems better fit for what will be Hero 34, this time next year, as soon as the event ends. But I could be wrong. They hyped up Mauga a lot, which makes me think he will be a Red Herring, but right now it could be one of many characters.
I would like any hero that is good for the meta. Lore doesn't effect them in-game, and as much as I love the storyline of this game, I think blizzard is prioritising heroes by necessity according to in-game issues, not lore connectivity
worthy rose
Yeah I didn't mean that, I meant the hero after the Archives event
and after anniversary for that matter
I mean, Hamid could even be the next hero. Or Sanjay, there isn't one clear choice.
peak escarp
based on characters who have been mentioned within the last 6 months, there's Mauga, Nguyen, Maximilien, the Storm Rising Omnic, Hamid
if you want characters mentioned since Baptiste's release, only Hamid gets dropped from that list
quiet oracle
Sojourn , but I think Jeff said shes not #31
peak escarp
right
weary copper
who are Mauga, Nguyen and Hamid?
peak escarp
Mauga is the big guy, Nguyen is the Asian guy
both were introduced in the short story "What You Left Behind" (Nguyen was also mentioned in Baptiste's release teaser)
Hamid Faisal is an archarologist working on Petra, who is also known to Ana
and may have ties to Oasis
worthy rose
We don't have any pictures of Hamid correct?
limpid agate
Correct
north flame
I feel Mauga is going to be added later TBH. Yes there's a lot of detail, but I'm on the fence about him being 31
hazy vortex
What details do we have about nguyen
north flame
He's a good shot
limpid agate
He is a Vietnamese analyst for Talon.
worthy rose
nguyen isn't the next hero
sharp trench
nguyen looks like that kind of guy who manipulates people to do shit for him
peak escarp
so does Maximilien
limpid agate
So does Sombra
Nguyen and Max will probably never be heroes though
But Nguyen does do some work himself in the story
worthy rose
i think, nguyen is like maximilien, he's just someone who bring something to the lore
but anything else
north flame
Nguyen is a bit different though. He'll get his hands dirty if deemed necessary. Maximilien strikes me as a full hands off approach
worthy rose
i know but in the novel, blizzard wants us to be interested in mauga, they have not put nguyen forward at all.
peak escarp
because the short story was about Baptiste's relationship with Mauga
Nguyen wasn't the focus
worthy rose
just, I see badly blizzard do a second news or a teaser where they put this time nguyen forward.
peak escarp
when they release a teaser, it's almost always clear who the hero is going to be
the only exception being the Operation White Dome report
worthy rose
yes but the operation white dome was connected to brigitte
north flame
Wtf is white dome again?
And wasn't it like years ago when overwatch was still a thing
peak escarp
north flame
Thanks 6
north flame
And his eye right?
worthy rose
the operation white dome was talking about the fact that reinhardt had saved torbjorn, that's why torbjorn gave reinhardt the right to choose his daughter's first name, so it was connected.
peak escarp
and due to Reinhardt saving his life, Torbjorn made him Brigitte's godfather and gave him the honor of naming her
yes
teal meadow
ffs i thought it was a leak of the hero
worthy rose
lmao
teal meadow
you fooled me
peak escarp
but from just that teaser, we couldn't have guessed that it would be Brigitte
north flame
Not at all. It doesn't even hint at her in the slightest
peak escarp
it wasn't obvious until the second teaser when they talk about naming his child
worthy rose
I had a sleepless night yesterday to watch the overwatch twitter, i'm so exhausted
north flame
Dates are different this year. For all we know it could be mid July or even late July before we see anything
teal meadow
it's more hype than patience
peak escarp
people say Orisa's teasers were a bait-and-switch for Doomfist, but Doomfist is never mentioned in her teasers
north flame
He was heavily implied in one though
peak escarp
the first teaser was an interview with Efi
teal meadow
it's mentioned since orisa was born after doomfist rampage at the airport
peak escarp
the second was a report about an attack on Numbani airport by an unidentified assailant
worthy rose
I think the mauga teaser will be in not long because the summer event will be in not long and it will hinder the release of the new character.
peak escarp
the third was Efi's shopping list
if people thought the second teaser was pointing to Doomfist, it wasn't because Blizzard said "Doomfist did it"
people just assumed (correctly) that it was him attacking the airport
teal meadow
well. you can't deny usually blizzard makes teasers from a third character that is not involved in game
peak escarp
how so?
teal meadow
like baptiste teaser. it was not either sombra or baptiste himself
peak escarp
it was a report about Baptiste
teal meadow
just some random guy that made a report
peak escarp
"random guy"
it was Nguyen who wrote the report
but Baptiste was the focus and it was clear the teaser was about him
teal meadow
Yeah, nguyen is just a character that will be forgotten, like efi and dva's kawaii friend from the short
peak escarp
Efi is all over Orisa's sprays
people wont forget her
Dae-hyun I will agree is forgettable
sharp trench
who the fuck is dae-hyun
teal meadow
are some sprays considered canon tho?
peak escarp
sharp trench
idk
sharp trench
o h
worthy rose
I mean, of course he is still a possible hero. Put it this way: Almost every character we have been shown in the lore, unless explicitly mentioned, has a chance of being a playable hero. Even if it is 0.001%. There is a chance for all of them. Dae-Hyun, Mama Hong, Jetpack Cat, Nguyen, They haven't been confirmed but they haven't been not confirmed
except jetpack cat 
sharp trench
we need jetpack cat
lean prawn
mama hong is a racist meme
worthy rose
mama hong is a reference for landlady
peak escarp
worthy rose
kung-fu hustle landlady
peak escarp
she's literally this
lean prawn
Brigitte's mug in her toast victory pose
sharp trench
we need jetpack cat
peak escarp
no we don't
sharp trench
yes we do
peak escarp
why?
iron plume
because we already have a moon hamster
lean prawn
Winston is a jetpack gorilla
worthy rose
because he's too little
lean prawn
another flying hero would step on pharah's toes from a gameplay perspective
peak escarp
the jetpack cat that everyone wants would be a nightmare to fight and would not make sense in the lore
there's a very good reason why Blizzard doesn't listen to the fans, and that reason is that their ideas are terrible
worthy rose
on the contrary, Pharah is the only aerial heroine, it would be nice if someone who steals his place.
peak escarp
her
worthy rose
I mean, echo has a zenyatta vibe to me, hovering not flying
hallow vessel
the other MEKA squad memeber (overlord i think) can fly and has drones which would make intresting gameplay, i just want drones 'cause they cool.
worthy rose
yes, i think he's the only one in the squad meka that can join overwatch
north flame
I'd love to get a full mech crew in game
looking forward to when that happens so I can bully people with robots
sharp trench
what
half pasture
I mean going by dva's short her mech can fly
modest cove
I want a mech or other hero that’s heavily armored but has weak spots (other than head)
Like bastion’s sentry but in a moving hero
Or with destructible parts/weapons/armor like a boss enemy
worthy rose
Why not
limpid agate
Why not what
stoic garden
?
worthy rose
test
hazy vortex
Anything on 31?
spark pine
tulip tulip
I say we stop how messy the lore in overwatch is, and restart with Overwatch 2!
broken oyster
limpid agate
What about him
People were literally asking for Hammond for over a year before he was released
peak escarp
he fits into the lore
limpid agate
And they knew he was an animal
broken oyster
I love wreaking ball! Love bashing skulls!
tulip tulip
🤔
broken oyster
tulip tulip
tulip tulip
🆗
broken oyster
Guys should we initiate the overwatch recall?
limpid agate
Serious discussion only.
tulip tulip
^ yes!
hasty surge
Moving on swiftly?
peak escarp
if Hammond had been an ape, I bet nobody would question him
hasty surge
Would it had fit the storyline better if he was an ape?
broken oyster
Hammsters are cool
tulip tulip
So are straight white men
limpid agate
Moving swiftly onwards.
broken oyster
Reaper here!
hasty surge
I believe we pictured hammond as a monkey right at the start
limpid agate
Maybe you did
peak escarp
people confused Hammond for Simon
lean prawn
hammond being a rabbit would've been cool too, but that would mess with that hamster-ball theme the mech has
limpid agate
I was arguing he could not possibly be a monkey for a long time
Although I thought he was jetpack cat
hasty surge
Maybe I did 🤷🏻♂️
peak escarp
Hammond was always smaller than a monkey
limpid agate
Which was probably closer, now that we've seen the end result.
hasty surge
But are we sure that they only generically altered mammals?
lean prawn
they were studying the effects of long-term space life on humans weren't they? or was it just genetically altered animals?
limpid agate
We've only seen mammals
broken oyster
Wreaking Ball is great tbh
peak escarp
they were studying the long-term effect of space habitation on humans, by using apes as a human analog
pliant sparrow
How did Hammond get into being tested then?
limpid agate
One of the scientists asks that too
peak escarp
scientific curiosity?
lean prawn
sometimes the could is just as important as the should
pliant sparrow
Hmm
hasty surge
Also do you guys think they numbered the specimens?
1-10*
Or random 2 digit number assigned?
pliant sparrow
Would make sense
peak escarp
they dont seem to be numbered in order
hasty surge
That would determine the number of specimens
peak escarp
Winston is older than Hammond
pliant sparrow
But we don’t know if there were specimens they got rid of
lean prawn
Hammond is 14 and Winston is in his 20s right?
peak escarp
Winston is Specimen 28, Hammond is specimen 8
pliant sparrow
e.g they might have been too dangerous
hasty surge
So we argue that whatever is on the screen is the all the specimens?
peak escarp
Winston is 29
hasty surge
What's the highest number?
hasty surge
So the question hpw many specimens were there?
lean prawn
there's like 5 on the screen?
limpid agate
hasty surge
Yes. Ty
lean prawn
you can't take over an entire facility with a band of like 7 animals
hasty surge
Winston is 28:p
So they can only track maximum of 9 specimens at one go?
Also we know that at least one specimen died in their care
And that the scientist names specimens after them
peak escarp
Nguyen got bit
limpid agate
Someone got airlocked
peak escarp
it doesn't say the nature of Nguyen's injury, just that it sent them to the infirmary
the link works for me
peak escarp
why would you go to the infirmary if you're not injured?
hasty surge
a place in a large institution for the care of those who are ill.
He could be sick etc
We don't know for sure
peak escarp
from the context it sounds like an injury
hasty surge
So we think Nguyen got injured by one of the gorillas?
peak escarp
they're talking about the gorillas getting more rowdy and aggressive
hasty surge
Do we think Nguyen is a scientist or specimen?
peak escarp
scientist
worthy rose
nguyen is an asiatic
peak escarp
not that Nguyen
limpid agate
Its a common surname
peak escarp
the Nguyen from Horizon is not Trang Le Nguyen from Talon
they've used repeat names in other places
there's a Flores on Horizon and a Flores in Lumerico
hasty surge
Zhang
Winston
Azzarelli
Nevsky
Yoshida
Patel
Dnyango
Flores
Khouri
Who is Nguyen?
Dnyango?
limpid agate
Where did you get the other names from
peak escarp
Dnyango sounds like an African name
north flame
I've never seen some of those names
peak escarp
there's a directory of scientists inside the cafeteria sort of area outside first attacker's spawn
maybe Nguyen wasn't a scientist, maybe they were just a staff member
hasty surge
The suits at the spawns
peak escarp
turn on notifications from the OW twitter - that way you'll get it from the source
if Nguyen was still on Horizon during the uprising then they're dead
limpid agate
Then check #overwatch-news
narrow nymph
^
worthy rose
nguyen is maybe the next hero
peak escarp
maybe
narrow nymph
Another animal/scientist or confirmed Harold Winston scientist?
peak escarp
Harold Winston is dead
steep sigil
winston needs a buff
worthy rose
i've check on rialto, in the armory, a weapon is missing, it looks like a pistol like that of nguyen
peak escarp
that gun has been missing for a long time
peak escarp
yes
peak escarp
people think it was a hint for Baptiste
worthy rose
hey just curious who has the most interesting lore?
peak escarp
that's a very subjective question
worthy rose
so do we know how mccree lost his arm or not
cuz thats been bugging me since day one
peak escarp
nope
hazy vortex
Something that happened after echo was put to sleep
peak escarp
"That's a story for another time."
hazy vortex
I thought on uprising his skin was missing an arm
peak escarp
nope
worthy rose
it was supposed to be an opinion question sorry lol
the question i had about the lore thing like who in your opinion has good lore
worthy rose
bruh when i first saw that skin i was like wtf happened to his arm
i like the scrooge skin because his belt says grumpy ass mofo
(gamf)
so im confused about dooms goal in talon
what is he trying to accomplish
doesnt he want omnics to rule or something
peak escarp
he wants to push humans to evolve by causing conflict
worthy rose
ok so makes sense
so he's head of talon
he tells them what to do and organizes and what not
peak escarp
basically
worthy rose
did he send widow and reaper to kill volskaya
chilly peak
Vialli did
valid shell
He's not really head of Talon.
Him and the other councilmen are the same, but he has the most clout.
worthy rose
understood
chilly peak
I wonder if there's someone even above the council
peak escarp
the rest of the council is okay with following Doomfist's plans
worthy rose
idk i just like doom and i wanted to know why he would send them to kill volskaya but now i know lol
chilly peak
Everything is in Mascarade comic
peak escarp
it's strange that in Masquerade, Doomfist says he's happy the assassination attempt on Volskaya failed
worthy rose
understood i should start reading
peak escarp
but in the game, he has a map interaction on Volskaya where he says "this time I will make sure we do not fail"
chilly peak
Volskaya wants to war keep going and going, with no winners or losers. It keeps her in power
Hm
My only guess it's miscommunitation within Blizz lore dep.
hasty surge
I think volskaya just wants to protect her people lol
hazy vortex
She does this by having a gruelling war with omnics though
So doom would have reason to keep her in power
worthy rose
¯_('-')_/¯
teal meadow
volskaya is just a coward, she is afraid to loose a war that she know it's impossible to win, so she decides to help the enemies
valid shell
loose?
hazy vortex
Lose
hasty surge
The Numbani omnics aren't the enemy
limpid agate
volskaya is just a coward, she is afraid to loose a war that she know it's impossible to win, so she decides to help the enemies
Wrong
The dirt Sombra has is that she is buying tech for her mechs so Russia can win the war from Numbani omnics
She is not at war with Numbani
She is at war with a rogue omnium
@teal meadow
frosty shell
maybe as for why Doomfist says "This time, I will make sure we do not fail" on Volskaya he just wants it to go better
idk
worthy rose
If he goes there, chances are that something came up that made him want to kill Volskaya.
peak escarp
yes
supple bear
also is the mercy and bap's relationship formal?
Like they're not close friends right?
They just know each other from working together in Venezuela
pliant sparrow
Do we have any idea how immortality works in the lore? I’m assuming a sort of protective layer applied to everyone
peak escarp
it's not really explained (and probably won't be)
iron plume
the way it's described it's an actual field
rather than something applying to the person specifically
cosmic reef
It's Overwatch. Physics don't apply there.
Additionally, they can't even explain how Zen works.
So focus on the actual story given, not the abilities. 
You won't find real answers anyway.
iron plume
it's fun to theorize
peak escarp
what's there to explain? he's an omnic monk
iron plume
and yes it's definitely an energy thing
cosmic reef
Lel.
It's fun to theorize but you won't get the ultimate answer.
It falls under the aspect of future technology.
iron plume
no one's claiming they have one
cosmic reef
Which raises the question why they don't put those fields in battles all the time.
iron plume
shutting it down because we won't is pointless
cosmic reef
Imagine those fields against the Bastions.
Imagine attaching such a field on the Reinhardts.
Like on their back or such.
They'd be invincible.
cosmic reef
They don't seem heavy.
iron plume
it's also experimental in present time
cosmic reef
Just give them multiple of them.
iron plume
whereas reins were fighting 20 years ago
cosmic reef
Winston struggles to craft a proper shield while Baptiste creates immortality fields.
Who's the scientist now, old monkey?
cosmic reef
Ah, I see.
worthy rose
I wonder who made the Immortality Field.
peak escarp
Baptiste did
peak escarp
his cells continuously decay and regenerate
cosmic reef
But how did he learn that?
supple bear
or made a prototype for him
peak escarp
he made it after he left Talon
supple bear
ahhh
iron plume
skins aren't canon
cosmic reef
Ofc.
iron plume
or rather specific things they can do aren't
cosmic reef
Else Winston would've been a gargoyle at one point.
peak escarp
It was something he’d been working on for months, and it was still just a prototype, but maybe…
cosmic reef
Which character is the strongest?
I mean like... not from gameplay.
But actual story.
iron plume
the most powerful is Ashe because C.R.E.A.M.
cosmic reef
Whether it's magical, physical, emotional, strength of will....
Just by who comes out on top.
peak escarp
C.R.E.A.M?
iron plume
cash rules everything around me
peak escarp
Symmetra could be the strongest hero
we don't know what the limits of hard-light construction is
she's basically a Green Lantern
cosmic reef
What about Moira?
Moira isn't a strong fighter.
But I can imagine her to be a great tactician.
Letting others do the work for her.
While she adjusts their bodies with her scientific achievements.
peak escarp
Sombra could manipulate people into doing what she wants
cosmic reef
You mean manipulating or hacking them?
cosmic reef
She manipulated the prime minister.
Joke's on her.
I don't have dirty secrets.
She could hack the omnics, I believe.
Kinda like the evil dude in Kingsman manipulated all the humans in the first movie.
But like with omnics.
But she wouldn't wanna do that, I guess.
That's something more fitting to Doomfist.
frosty shell
Did Mercy actually develop the nanobiotic tech that she is known for? Because if she did then you'd expect Baptiste to have known more about her than just "she was that doctor I met in Venezuela"
Mercy might've been one of many innovators
Overwatch took her in because she was already a good friend of the agents
peak escarp
Ziegler rose to become the head of surgery at a prominent Swiss hospital before pioneering a breakthrough in the field of applied nanobiology that radically improved the treatment of life-threatening illnesses and injuries. It was this expertise that attracted the attention of Overwatch.
she didn't invent it, but she was a pioneer in the field
frosty shell
yeah read that
I'd just always thought of it as "Mercy's tech" until a few minutes ago
peak escarp
it's easier to think of it that way
it's like saying Edison invented the light bulb
when really he improved on the previous work of other inventors
in the same way, Mercy improved on existing nanobiotic technology and made it better
worthy rose
Do you think Null -Sector were the ones who re-activated the omnium factories to create the bastions that started the crisis?
peak escarp
not likely
limpid agate
I dont think Null Sector existed back then
inner vault
in order for mercy's timeline to fit with the story of overwatch as a whole she would have to graduate med school at 12 YEARS OLD!!!! well dang someone did their homework. and yes i did the math it all checks out.
inner vault
uprising.
limpid agate
Was 7 years ago
inner vault
yep. and she is about 30 now
twilit nacelleBOT
To learn more, please visit https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/heroes/mercy#story
limpid agate
We have heard about her at 14 as a prodigy with big dreams in her field
And at 17 we have seen her as a student
inner vault
ok that makes sense
limpid agate
Next time you want to snark about the writers not doing their homework, make sure you do yours first
inner vault
lol
worthy rose
Who do you think re-activated the ominums? and how did they get Torbjorn's blueprints for the bastion?
limpid agate
Presumeably the same way anyone else can
From the patent
It was owned by SST Labrotories, not Torb. He just made it
limpid agate
I think its more simple that they took the patent
Which is public domain, and explains how they got all the different kinds
frosty shell
You wouldn't leak the full schematics for an attack robot publicly
I guess it's also possible the Omnics could've reverse engineered the publicly available schematics (from the patent or whatever) and then figured out the rest
limpid agate
It was the schematics for a security drone
And the Titan wasn't even that
It was made for highrise construction
frosty shell
Yeah the Titan schematics might've been semi-public
But something as potentially dangerous as the Bastions would probably not have all its schematics disclosed (and even if it wasn't considered dangerous, some of its design would probably be a trade secret)
The Bastions were described as "siege automatons" so I doubt they were not intended to be some sort of weapon
Yes they are described as "peacekeeping robots" but that could be in the security sense
A patent only needs enough information on a device's schematics in order to explain what makes it unique and innovative
manic wasp
obtuse granite
hammond
cloud goblet
lol
devout sable
is there some sort of summary for the Baptiste short story?
I never got around to read it, and I feel like I might never get to it
nova void
somber bridge
reef dagger
I wonder if Ashe's gun is actually some weird future gun that's both semi-automatic and lever-action
worthy rose
No, just easier to use the action when firing from the hip (probably)
You can still see her cycling it when spamming. She just does it pretty fast.
iron plume
yeah, it's like mccree's fth except with a less extreme difference
limpid agate
Your weirder gun is Widow's Kiss
iron plume
yeah
especially with the implication that sniper mode fires three bullets at once
limpid agate
Her gun is at least one of the oldest in the game
frosty shell
A better question is where Widow keeps her ammo in lore
peak escarp
she has a pouch strapped to her leg
but if she does her job right, she shouldn't need to reload
iron plume
if it took more than one shot you weren't using a jakobs widow's kiss
frosty shell
OK makes sense
I remember trying to calculate how many bullets each hero kept on them
shrewd oriole
“if she does her job right” man oh man you’ve never seen me play widow
grand bluff
This is about the lore of the character. She's supposed to be a sharp shooter--a sniper. She shouldn't miss
peak escarp
the only time she did miss was when Sombra sabotaged the mission
shrewd oriole
true, that was a good cinematic
peak escarp
and even then it was a grazing shot
she was able to line up the shot on Mondatta while falling through the air AND aiming through Tracer
shrewd oriole
but she wasn’t aiming for tracer at all
she planned for tracer to blink out of the way anyways
peak escarp
yes
but she was still blocking her line of sight to Mondatta
so Widowmaker had to aim through her
frosty shell
Widow did have those goggles which could've made it easier to find Mondatta
Also, I saw someone wondering why Mondatta didn't duck back into the building he emerged from
peak escarp
because his security team are idiots
frosty shell
I guess
hazy vortex
Alive is an incredibly frustrating short
Just how many things probably would have been done in any security situation in real life that weren't
frosty shell
Apart from not going back into the building, what did they do wrong?
Tracer notified security which was a smart move
It's not an unfeasible mistake for Mondatta's security team to have made, even if it is still a mistake
Makes more sense than Zarya's wild goose chase for Sombra
@hazy vortex what else should the security team have done that they didn't?
limpid agate
You can also see the reasoning
An unidentified shooter could be heard on the rooftops
You can either go into a building - Which the shooter would then infiltrate
Or you can get into the limo to escape - But be at risk during the walk
Now I doubt the writers thought this far ahead, but hearing an automatic weapon through the comms would suggest it's not a sniper, so the walk would be safer
Unfortunately, Widow's Kiss is also a sniper
Unless you knew the shooter was a sniper, it was better to head for the car
frosty shell
OK point
maybe Tracer should've been more specific then
Something else about Alive: does Tracer's line of "Trying to crash another party, love?" suggest they'd met before?
Even if the foreign dubs are wrong about the Mondatta mention in Alive, it can't have happened too long after Recall due to the time
peak escarp
that line made me think the fight at the museum happened before this
but I'm not sure
peak escarp
it could just mean Tracer has heard of Widowmaker's attacks before, not necessarily that they've fought before
frosty shell
Yeah but no one really seems to know who she is
It's possible Tracer might know through Winston's intel
I could be wrong, Widow might be well known
shrewd oriole
lore question: did winston and hammond know each other personally on lunar colony?
peak escarp
yes
peak escarp
because Winston didn't know Hammond left the moon with him
frosty shell
Yeah
shrewd oriole
ohh that’s right
peak escarp
Winston thought he was left behind
frosty shell
Hammond might not even know Overwatch exists
frosty shell
Does Hammond even really care that much about the world?
frosty shell
More than 9 years
peak escarp
between 13 and 9 years
frosty shell
Mei knew Winston
shrewd oriole
then he 100% should know about it
i imagine even in junkertown news about the world spread around
frosty shell
Even if he did know about Overwatch, Hammond doesn't strike me as the type to want to join Overwatch
peak escarp
but now that he's left Junkertown, Hammond may go looking for his old friend
frosty shell
Maybe
shrewd oriole
that would be my favorite cinematic if that happened
frosty shell
I wonder if the Junkers believe Wrecking Ball is an alien
shrewd oriole
they’ve got to know what a hamster is
frosty shell
His poster does seem to suggest they knew he came from space
frosty shell
Most of them have never seen him outside his ball
shrewd oriole
does hamster have any interaction voice lines? i haven’t heard any but i imagine he should have some with winston and junk and hog
peak escarp
how does his poster suggest they knew he came from space?
shrewd oriole
@peak escarp pretty sure it has him on the moon
or with space/the moon in the background
frosty shell
It's not
frosty shell
I thought the thing on top was supposed to be him falling to Earth
But it's up for interpretation
shrewd oriole
wait but he had to have shown himself at least once
peak escarp
why?
frosty shell
In lore, he probably doesn't have to open his hatch
shrewd oriole
because if the ball was an omnic it’d be destroyed, so they probably needed to know something was alive
peak escarp
someone might have vouched for him
shrewd oriole
true
frosty shell
(Bruce probably)
peak escarp
yes, Bruce
shrewd oriole
who
frosty shell
I wonder how smart Hammond is (he's obviously near human-level intelligence at least)
Given his mechanical expertise
Probably not nearly as smart as Winston though
peak escarp
Bruce is a resident of Junkertown, first seen in the comic "Wasted Land"
sharp trench
Winston is more intelligent then some humans
peak escarp
he owns a scrap shop, which can be seen on the Junkertown map between the 1st and 2nd checkpoints
frosty shell
Yeah Winston is smarter than the average person
peak escarp
it's implied that Hammond built his mech in Bruce's shop
frosty shell
^
frosty shell
I wonder if Bruce was the one who came up with the idea of entering Hammond into the mech fights
peak escarp
maybe
shrewd oriole
hammond probably needed a hobby lol
also i imagine hammond would also be smarter than the average human, you know with being able to translate hamster noises into english using technology
or were translators like that common
frosty shell
That's probably an AI
That does it based on Hammond's inputs
He probably didn't build it
worthy rose
About the voice line, i play hammond a lot and the only line i've heard is with sombra.
But it doesn't have anything to do with the lore, it's an irrelevant line.
frosty shell
The Bruce/Hammond deal would make sense - "I'll keep you safe, while you help me win this mech fight"
shrewd oriole
what’s the line? @worthy rose
frosty shell
Sombra tells him he looks like her teddy bear Arturito
worthy rose
Sombra would say: "Now i've seen it aol. I'm supposed to work with a giant rat?" Where hammond would react to it with a bunch of angry squeaks, sombra would follow up eith "Ugh, they don't pay me enough."
Ohh yeah that too
frosty shell
Maybe Roadhog/Junkrat's adventures are what inspired Hammond to leave Junkertown?
shrewd oriole
oh I think I’ve heard that
peak escarp
Hammond didn't make the Wrecking Ball AI
frosty shell
We don't know
peak escarp
frosty shell
He probably bought it on the market
Speculation: Maybe the AI is normally used to help developmentally-disabled children communicate?
frosty shell
I was counting the number of visible floors on Lijiang Tower
worn mica
Yeah?
frosty shell
I can't figure out an exact estimate but 120-160 floors seems close
But that's just visible; there are more not included in the model
worthy rose
if you were to make one change or addition to the lore, what would it be
personally i'd make it so that the reason zen floats is because he's afraid of the ground
peak escarp
. . .
shrewd oriole
my change would be that hammond could speak in winston’s voice
imagine the hamster with that voice
limpid agate
My speculation for the AI is
It came from the moon
And was in his pod
And was created so he could communicate with the scientists
@worthy rose This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to lore
Not meme suggestions
worthy rose
it would be cool to see a comic where genji teases zenyatta during his training, playing to genji's often lighthearted tone to his friends
limpid agate
Genji's whimsical side probably died when Hanzo tried killing him
worthy rose
genji is still friendly to mercy in a few intro voicelines
worthy rose
genji only acts like that to hanzo/people he's not the biggest fan of appariantly
limpid agate
Genji: That is not what they are for.
Genji: The heart of a man still beats inside of me.
Genji: Why don't we find out?
what are genji's lights for, exactly
limpid agate
He is very not whimsical
worthy rose
hi, pause for a second
why are you being a bit
you know
for lack of a better word
cranky
limpid agate
Why are you suggesting character traits that do not exist?
limpid agate
You were mistaken
peak escarp
Zenyatta is the whimsical one
worthy rose
nah zenyatta has no lore lol
limpid agate
Take the memes outside
worthy rose
he's flatter then a cardboard cutout of danny devito
limpid agate
Final warning
peak escarp
Zenyatta doesn't have much, but he does have some lore
iron plume
and having no stories isn't the same thing as having no personality
peak escarp
he disagreed with their method of hiding up in the mountains and preaching acceptance
iron plume
even for heroes that are heavily involved in lore, most of their personality is delivered in-game
peak escarp
he wanted them to go down and be among the people
so he left
also you can see his personality in his voice lines and emotes
he is only 20, and he jokes around a lot
inner vault
i have a theory about reaper. tell me if im right if you know
yknow how everyone is making fun of reaper for making shotguns appear from nowhere
i think that he is just using wraith form ( to an extent ) and using his atoms to create shotguns
its kind of hard to explain but it makes sense to me
peak escarp
something like that
inner vault
i cant find any lore explaining it so i made a theory myself
and trust me i looked throgh a LOT of lore
peak escarp
it hasn't really been explained and probably won't be
it's one of those "it works because it does" things
worthy rose
The in-game reload is probably just to look cool.
And maybe he has an extra pair somewhere under the coat
limpid agate
He does it in the shorts too
timber sundial
i just noticed that in one of torbs skins
he has earbuds in
what kinda music do u think torb listens too
he probably likes classical music idk he seems like he would
limpid agate
Keep in mind, his generation is generation Z
half pasture
Torb listening to them old-school Soundcloud rappers, none of this new robot crap
limpid agate
Germans love Hasselhoff
Torb is probably some kind of Swedish metal fan if I had to guess
balmy swallow
Yes, but remember that is the current older germans.
Rein is young at current time.
peak escarp
Hasselhoff is a cultural icon
balmy swallow
And current german kids aint listening to Hasselhoff in general
limpid agate
Does no one listen to Iron Maiden anymore
balmy swallow
I love iron maiden :3
limpid agate
Or Herp Alpert
balmy swallow
but i am also old
peak escarp
The Beatles were big when my dad was young and they just made a movie about the Beatles' music
just because music is old, doesn't mean people stop listening to it
limpid agate
My ex was a huge Beatles fan
balmy swallow
So we can assume rein picks up his taste of music during some kind of old music revival then?
limpid agate
It didn't even need to be a revival
balmy swallow
like how some kids now are introduced to old music with that guardians of the galaxy soundtrack
peak escarp
ask Lucie Pohl about Hasselhoff - she's German and she LOVES the Hoff
balmy swallow
So the Hoffman is going strong in germany still
limpid agate
And that's an album no one knows exists
By a band that wasn't even popular the first time
peak escarp
I feel like Hasselhoff will actually gain popularity after he dies
balmy swallow
Think about a Hoff movie being made about him during overwatch time, makes total sense
yes so much this
Like how we are probably getting a Cobain movie soon, and probably Bowie. (so so waiting for these two)
peak escarp
I actually saw him on TV today
the History Channel was doing a special on Knight Rider
balmy swallow
Old knight rider is great
and he knows how to do sattire on himself :3
he did that independant film music "Kung Fury" and mv for it so cute
I imagine maybe Rein would ahve quite some tv presense too at his younger time.
I mean he has posters. and properganda purpose he might show up more in the medias, since he seem loveable as a hero.
at least of the original Six he is the best for the limelight.
peak escarp
Rein was definitely part of the propaganda for the Crusaders
and all the founders were part of the propaganda for Overwatch
balmy swallow
Or maybe only 5 of them are propaganda, makes sense
of which rein actually love the propaganda thing. I dont think gabe enjoys that, and doubt Jack does. (not sure about ana and torby)
hazy vortex
How much lore do we have on the crusaders
frosty shell
I'm not sure if the general public would've known about Overwatch during the war
peak escarp
not during the war, but definitely after
quiet oracle
つ ◕◕ ༽つ Give Hero 31 Teasers ༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ
peak escarp
be patient
lilac yoke
maybe this week or next will be teasers ...
grand tangle
Why does Reinhardt always look so sad ?
limpid agate
Not always
grand tangle
Most of the time tho
limpid agate
His neutral face just looks like a frown
Mine is the same
People think I'm netral when I'm smiling
grand tangle
To me his neutral face doesn't really look neutral, Reinhardt always looks empty and lost, I've barely seen him smile or anything
peak escarp
he's had a rough past
limpid agate
and in his every voice line
He's the charming and booming Reinhardt
With a non happy looking face
grand tangle
I've also always asked myself why Zenyatta's trick or treat spray is a kid with a damn bucket (was it even a bucket ?) on his head, who's that even supposed to be ?
peak escarp
most of the Trick or Treat sprays are kids dressed up as the heroes
not the heroes as kids
Orisa's is Efi dressed as Orisa
worthy rose
Epic
peak escarp
which is absolutely adorable
grand tangle
I knew that, but it's kind of weird because not all heroes are known enough for anyone to get the idea to dress up as them
peak escarp
the sprays also aren't canon
they're just for fun
so it doesn't matter if nobody knows who they are
grand tangle
real question is : who dressed up as hammond 🤔
peak escarp
not all of them are kids dressed up
Winston's is baby Winston dressed as Dr. Winston
Soldier's is him being the grumpy dad handing out candy
Ana's is younger Ana with kid Fareeha
cunning ledge
depends what you count as significantly
it has definitely progressed
what you left behind, the baptiste story, being the most recent present day related thing
mystic summit
are you telling me zen and orisa were not humans as kids!?
sharp trench
orisa is F O U R years old
zenyatta is a FUCKING ROBOT
orisa is a FUCKING ROBOT aswell
peak escarp
she's a month old
she was built after the Masquerade comic takes place
the most recent story chronologically would bring her up to about 3-4 months old
lean prawn
so are we four months past recall?
peak escarp
Searching is the most recent story chronologically
it takes place about a year after Recall, and continues into the summer
Orisa was built about a year after Recall, by my calculations
in March/April
we know Masquerade happens after Infiltration (which happened in November) and Old Soldiers (which happened in December), so it must be the following year
Doomfist attacked the Numbani airport 3 months after his escape, which is also after he went to Venice during Carnivale (which is late February)
that puts him in Numbani in early March, and giving Efi time to build Orisa, that puts her creation in late March/early April
lean prawn
wait where does dive comp v doomfist take place then?
peak escarp
Doomfist's capture happened 6 years ago, 3 weeks after Storm Rising
lean prawn
which city?
lean prawn
wait where does he reveal doomfist's whereabouts?
peak escarp
this audio file was released as a follow-up to Storm Rising
it confirms what we already knew - that Doomfist fought Tracer, Genji and Winston in Singapore
sharp trench
how does rein's shield work
worthy rose
Hard light, ain't gotta explain s***.
north flame
I wonder if there's a diffference in combat grade hard light and building grade hard light
timid eagle
It’s probably much more durable.
inner vault
how does ana's bio garnade separate friend from foe
wait i have an idea
ana's garnades contain nanobots that soak into the skin near instantly and dont allox certain toxins and/or nutrients to flow throughout the body
ana probably has a neural implant to control them
this was the best i could come up with
valid shell
@inner vault Or she inoculates allies before the battle.
worthy rose
Or gameplay != lore
hasty surge
She probably swaps the grenades
peak escarp
or it doesn't tell between friend or foe
we haven't seen her use it
I hate the answer of "nanobots" for everything
we knows she chooses which ammo to shoot in her rifle
supple bear
do you guys think it would be possible to have the white dome or prague missions for archives?
for example, how would it play out for the torb player in white dome after torb gets injured
or maybe the mission would end before torbs injury? Then there could be a cutscene where torb gets injured and rein saves him?
peak escarp
if they were willing to give us Sniper Ana, they might be playable
they'd have to put Torb's injury in a cutscene at the end
supple bear
like widow style sniper ana?
supple bear
and how much info do we have on prague
peak escarp
not much
supple bear
im guessing blizz wouldnt want a 3 man archives mission
they seem to be sticking to 4
and with that in mind, wouldn't they have to make sarioglu a hero for white dome
timid eagle
They could also make him an NPC.
peak escarp
then who would the 4th player be?
hasty surge
I think bilzzard may make white dome an archives mission
After all they made it a 4 man mission
They have plans
midnight shoal
Uh guys are we assuming that Reaper's abilities are genetics based or technology based?
'Cause I think Reaper getting his powers from a corrupted version of Mercy's healing nano bots would make the most sense. Especially when Moria was the one to give him his abilities. I mean how else are you supposed to create an unlimited amount of Shotguns?
peak escarp
Reaper got his powers from Moira
Mercy was not involved
also, Mercy does not have nanobots
Reapers powers come from his cells being stuck in a continuous cycle of decay and regeneration
tame gull
IM HERE TO INFORM EVERYONE TO START A PETITION FOR ZENYATTA LORE
peak escarp
petitions are obnoxious and don't work
tame gull
...IM HERE TO RANT ABOUT WANTING ZENYATTA LORE
peak escarp
can you do it a little quieter? there's no need to yell
tame gull
im here to rant about wanting zenyatta lore, quietly
tame gull
;-;
peak escarp
as Zenyatta would say, "A warrior's greatest weapon... is patience."
hazy vortex
Overconfidence is a flimsy shield
timid eagle
“He goes down swinging.”
fervent ginkgo
Do I think? Does a submarine swim?
worthy rose
"Death is inevitable today"
ripe pebble
E X P E R I E N C E T R A N Q U I L I T Y
desert yacht
“Justice is defined by the hand that claims it”
reef dagger
I recall that in the Overwatch reveal trailer, Reaper was showcased using what appear to be grenade launchers (or perhaps grenade rounds for his shotguns) against Winston. Am I recalling that correctly?
cloud shard
Yeah, that was originally part of his ultimate I think
reef dagger
Although that trailer also showcases Death Blossom as well
limpid agate
No
"Nanobiotics" is the word used in Canon
But people see "nanob-o-" and think "bots!"
@cloud shard @reef dagger The smoke grenades were from his earlier concepts
They never made the cut
cloud shard
Yeah
limpid agate
Don't quote me on this, but I believe they experimented with loadouts
Could be wrong
But Reaper was the second hero they added to the game, and I don't think he ever had smokes since
reef dagger
They didn't look like smokes
limpid agate
!!loreShorts
twilit nacelleBOT
Animated Shorts:
Cinematic Trailer: http://bit.ly/1yhzaCC
Recall: http://bit.ly/1T1Aky8
Alive: http://bit.ly/1PSJV5x
Dragons: http://bit.ly/1WAZs3c
Hero: http://bit.ly/1ToCD1E
The Last Bastion: http://bit.ly/2b3TsNN
Infiltration: http://bit.ly/2emetBC
Rise and Shine: http://bit.ly/2xcMYoH
Honor and Glory: http://bit.ly/2A4FxRa
Shooting Star: https://bit.ly/2MCgtuP
Reunion: https://bit.ly/2AJhhHo
Origin Trailers:
Tracer: http://bit.ly/2fDNQxI
Soldier 76: http://bit.ly/1FpWpDB
Ana: http://bit.ly/29zamjl
Sombra: http://bit.ly/2fMt3aJ
Orisa: http://bit.ly/2liKFy8
King's Row Uprising: http://bit.ly/2p2pukK
Doomfist: http://bit.ly/2tWoWzZ
Moira: http://bit.ly/2hF7GXZ
Brigitte: http://bit.ly/2GSto50
Hammond: https://bit.ly/2lKVlU9
Ashe: https://bit.ly/2F2SPor
Baptiste: https://bit.ly/2TeM1Kq
Other Videos:
A Moment in Crime - Junkers: http://bit.ly/2fMsVYB
Are You With Us?: http://bit.ly/2fle4Uw
We Are Overwatch: http://bit.ly/1Pd9XmJ
The Plan: http://bit.ly/2uZiitC
Retribution: https://bit.ly/2EI9RCZ
Roadtrip: https://bit.ly/2RLk08M