I think racists still applies in this case
#lore-discussion
peak escarp
agile crow
Regardless it's kind of refreshing to have a hero with that kind of flaw tbh
peak escarp
since omnics are supposed to be considered people
agile crow
Yeah same
peak escarp
Zarya's racist too
peak escarp
yeah, she hates omnics
agile crow
All Omnics?
peak escarp
but she is at war with them, so she's got a good reason to hate them
agile crow
Okay yeah that's fair
Not sure I'd call that racist
You're allowed to hate the people you're at war with so long as you don't hate them bc of how they look/their race/dumb stuff like that
peak escarp
but she hates all omnics, not just the ones she's at war with
agile crow
Ohhhh
peak escarp
she hated Lynx 17 before even getting to know them
agile crow
Okay yeah that's racist my bad my bad
Weird that Overwatch would employ them
Well I guess Zarya wasn't in Overwatch but Torb was
worthy rose
They didn't care back then.
Torby was part of the original team back in the omnic crisis.
peak escarp
it was wartime
worthy rose
zen gets no lore
pliant sparrow
It’s not really racist considering they’re not humans, they’re technically a different species
peak escarp
the omnics were the enemy
agile crow
They're meant to be treated as humans
worthy rose
It wouldn't have been too unreasonable to suspect all omnics of treachery.
pliant sparrow
That doesn’t mean they are humans though
agile crow
And species-ist doesn't make sense
pliant sparrow
We don’t really have a term for it
agile crow
That is unreasonable
Being at war with people who share the same race as someone else doesn't mean they're all suspicious
peak escarp
using words we do have as an example, we could make up a word, like Omnicphobia
agile crow
Torb and Zarya are still good people/characters they just. Needed to chill
pliant sparrow
That’s true
devout cosmos
Yes you are right
pliant sparrow
Omnicphobia would make sense
pliant sparrow
Many
agile crow
Oki
pliant sparrow
You even see in the first cinematic when you open the game omnics trying to protect people
pliant sparrow
Pretty much
Although the amount of innocent omnics might have differed between countries
agile crow
Yeah, so being wary is understandable, but not hated
peak escarp
weary = tired
wary = apprehensive
agile crow
My bad
peak escarp
sorry, it's a peeve of mine 😛
agile crow
Winston reading the paper
pliant sparrow
Hating is understandable if they’ve suffered a lot because of the crisis
agile crow
Not of all of them though
This is the first genuine talk about racism I've had that is still respectful
pliant sparrow
If all you’ve experienced in your life is omnics trying to kill you and/or the people around you, you’ll have a good reason to hate them
Or being raised to believe they’re all evil
agile crow
But you can't treat them all bad because of that
Second one yeah you have to unlearn that
pliant sparrow
Do we know what baptiste’s stance on omnics is?
Considering he was orphaned because of them
limpid agate
Most heroes aren't all that xenophobic
pliant sparrow
Most don’t express xenophobia, a fair amount of them might be xenophobic still but probably aren’t
limpid agate
Its mostly just:
Zarya - Currently at war
Torb - Their creator
Junkers - Their culture hates omnics more than the rest of the world
Symmetra
At least I think Symmetra?
Don't remember why I thought that
pliant sparrow
Symmetra hasn’t really said anything about them I think
She’s had the one dialogue with zenyatta where she seemed to view omnics as machines
limpid agate
Zenyatta: Symmetra, you speak of law and of order, but you must know that life is chaotic by its very nature.
Symmetra: Hmph. To be lectured about chaos and disorder from a machine.
Symmetra: What can you know of life?
Zenyatta: Only that which I have observed, experienced and processed. All is one within the Iris.
Yeah she shows a lot of disdain
peak escarp
she doesn't hate them, but she doesn't see them as alive
pliant sparrow
She sees them as machines, nothing more
limpid agate
Sym and Zarya re the only ones to take negative interactions with Zenyatta
pliant sparrow
She might view them the same way she’d view a talking fridge
limpid agate
There is also one with Doomfist, but that's more a disagreement on tranquility than omnics
pliant sparrow
Yeah
limpid agate
Orisa has more with Torb/Junkrat/Zarya
limpid agate
Yes, but for Doomfist
Doomfist doesn't dislike either of them
But they dislike Doomfist
pliant sparrow
Yep
limpid agate
Orisa: Doomfist, you will be brought to justice.
Doomfist: [laugh], I like you.
That’s one of my favourite doomfist interactions
limpid agate
Doomfist overall is a great villain
limpid agate
Modmail
timid eagle
The current Doomfist is great, but I would like to learn more about his predecessors (especially the first, and only, heroic Doomfist).
I always liked his “I might lose, but you can’t win.” voice line. Comes to show how tenacious he can be.
hazy vortex
Wait did torb create the omnics?
peak escarp
some of them
pliant sparrow
He laid out the design
limpid agate
He is responsible for the designs of the Bastions, the Titans, the Idinas, and others.
sharp badger
Why does Zen still have no lore?
limpid agate
Because they stopped making comics and the shorts come out twice a year
peak escarp
and because Zen isn't important to the story
sharp badger
zen is always important
sly cosmos
@sharp badger thats correct
limpid agate
No, he isn't
His relevance ends with him helping Genji come to terms with his half-human state
And a comic/short of that would not interest me
sharp badger
They need to set up for future heroes / lore
Zen could be realted in some way we don't know yet
Related
limpid agate
And that's already mostly done for at least 3 confirmed upcoming heroes
Echo, Sojourn, and Junkerqueen
There is also the Omnic from the end of Storm Rising.
Which is a major setup
sharp badger
Next hero won't be any of those right?
limpid agate
Jetpack Cat is the only explicitly deconfirmed hero
limpid agate
Hammond exists after Jetpack Cat was rejected
They came from the same design origin
"We need a cute hero"
spring osprey
Can we just get Jeff in the game as an gamemaster
limpid agate
!!shitposting @spring osprey
twilit nacelleBOT
@spring osprey Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
spring osprey
@limpid agate sry then
desert yacht
i'm interested to see what happens to hammond
i wonder if in his adventures he comes across any of the other heroes, or if something happens between him and winston
dry charm
M'really interested ta see more on Mccree, I know he jus got n animated short n all that tells a lot bout him but he's such an interestin' hero
also....what about hero 89 or whatever he's called
Leader or Talon
Ta one on ta black watch photo??
I heard he's coming out ta play in game
an a reaper animation too
That's to ta picture I dunno why it came up as a link..
But ta guy on ta far left! That's him I swear s'gonna be him, he's responsible for why overwatch fell in ta first place-know, the rat?
S'my theory anyway
S'really cool ta hear bout all ta others though so lemme know if'm wrong
limpid agate
This guy?
@dry charm
Also can you use a better link please
Yours is just a list of all origin shorts
limpid agate
The guy on the left is unknown
Just that its not Liao
The one next to McCree is Sojourn
From Storm Rising
lament prawn
im hungry for a short, comic, overwatch 2 pve mission, or something where tracer has to destroy her own chronal accelerator as a last resort to get out of trouble
also, how does she use it to blink mid-air, if she can only manipulate time with it (not space)? does speeding up also increase her momentum (since we see her push off the ground whenever she does it)?
peak escarp
I dont think she could do that even if she wanted to
lament prawn
how come?
peak escarp
the chronal accelerator is probably designed to be quite durable
unbreakable in normal circumstances
lament prawn
good point, didnt give it much thought
although doomfist did rip the back out with his... doomfist, so i would assume at least heavy focused fire would do the trick
also her pulse pistols seem to be designed to work with her condition, despite that seeming a little unnecessary, is it because she can't blink or recall while holding regular objects?
almost forgot widowmaker damaged it a bit just by smashing her against a wall, and tracer checked over it when she blinked away from widow's bullet just in time (but that could just be her being overly cautious due to trauma with chronal disassociation)
peak escarp
there is also that - I dont see her ever willingly breaking it
too much trauma associated with being lost in time
lament prawn
i agree, but when its either that or death (or say, being turned into widowmaker 2.0) i think it could be a nice arc for her, learning just what it is to make a sacrifice but with the bonus of not killing her off.
devout cosmos
Thx
ember yacht
I think we really need zennyata lore
We dont know anything about the training between zennyata and genji and see if he have a relationship with another character. Jeff pls.
peak escarp
Zenyatta will get lore when he becomes relevant to the plot
worthy rose
(never)
peak escarp
(pretty much)
he might get some small bits here and there, in interactions or maybe a comic
but I don't think he'll get the spotlight unless he becomes directly involved in the story
tawny patio
monk man destroys talon from within
Let’s just stick to the never cuz
Let’s be real he can’t be too relevant
foggy notch
Well he saved Genji in a way
foggy notch
Genji suffered psycho trauma
He eased his pain
I'd say he's completely related cause Genji plays a main part in ow
limpid agate
Like I said
Releted
And sure, important
But no longer relevant
He did his job and has no reason to ever pop up again unless he joins OW with Genji
If he doesn't, he's become irrelevant
valid shell
"Zen is relevant because something something Genji" is exactly the problem.
foggy notch
Omit zen, there will be no genji
And its not the problem
If genji couldve gone better in any other way, he shouldve taken it
There was no reason to bring a guy named zen in the plot
But they did
Zen and Genji are related
As Mercy and Genji
You can't remove them cause they were part of what genji is now
limpid agate
No one is saying that Zenyatta's contribution was unimportant
They are saying that
Since that has been dealt with in the past
Zenyatta no longer has any relevance
If you make a present day piece of lore, Zenyatta will have no reason to ever be in it
If you make a future piece of lore, Zenyatta will have no reason to ever be in it
If you make a past tense piece of lore specifically about Zenyatta helping Genji, then sure he'll be in it
But we already have that story
And that is literally the only point in the past where Zenyatta specifically is relevant
In the present, and the foreseeable future
He is not relevant
meager hare
Rip
meager hare
What is Hanzo and Genji's connection?
limpid agate
Brothers
meager hare
Fr? I always knew they had something in common
limpid agate
!!loreHeroes
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sand valley
Everyone talks about getting more zen lore, but I honestly want to learn more about the shimadas
sure they have tons of lore
but the overwatch team could make it so much further in depth
meager hare
Fax
desert yacht
Genji and hanzo had their time in the spotlight
the Overwatch team seems to want to start moving the plot forward
so they’ll probably do something about mercy next and then start making more present day overwatch lore
finite bay
i want to learn more about ashe and why her parents ignored here for so long
peak escarp
sure if you took away Zenyatta, there would be no Genji (at least not as he currently is)
but if you took away Genji, Zenyatta would have no reason to be in the story
neither would Hanzo
Mercy was an Overwatch member and high-profile doctor before Genji was ever in the picture, so she'd still be around
I don't get how people can say Mercy is an accessory for Genji when her bio doesn't even mention him
sharp trench
i want another blackwatch mission
peak escarp
a Blackwatch mission against the Shimadas would be cool
it would give them an opportunity to make new enemy units
dusty tusk
i want more story for sombra
cunning ledge
there would be loads of opportunity for lore in side characters as bosses
damn i really want this now
pliant sparrow
A shimada clan vs blackwatch would be nice
Wouldn’t mind seeing something like genji and hanzo’s father as the Final boss
peak escarp
that wouldn't work
pliant sparrow
Wouldn’t it?
peak escarp
Sojiro Shimada died before Genji and Hanzo's fight
pliant sparrow
Ah
peak escarp
so we couldn't have both the Blackwatch team and Sojiro as an enemy
peak escarp
but the Shimada are a criminal empire with ninja roots - they could come up with some pretty cool ideas
pliant sparrow
Sounds like this would be a perfect opportunity to introduce a new character
dusty tusk
genji and hanzo have sister dont know about
peak escarp
pls no
dusty tusk
that would be cool
pliant sparrow
Possible mercenary hired by the clan?
The character design for that could be just about anything
cunning ledge
i was thinking like the bosses of the goons we saw in Dragons
the basic enemies are those guys with guns, the specials are ninjas who can deflect, and the bosses are named merc leaders, maybe a named shimada family member for the final boss?
pliant sparrow
There’s only three or four named shimadas I think
dusty tusk
maybe the shimada clan have something talon wants and hanzo trys to defend it
cunning ledge
hanzo, genji, sojiro
peak escarp
they could always add new ones
(but still pls no to a Shimada sister - keep it outside the immediate family)
cunning ledge
i'm all for a new shimada member, like genji's aunt or something like that i dunno
dusty tusk
maybe a female thats part of a rival clan
cunning ledge
while we're on the topic, reminder that this existed
still kinda sad it's gone now
peak escarp
I like the dragon painting better
dusty tusk
dragon painting is better
cunning ledge
my favourite part of dragons is how story genji has one of those conical hats to represent being an unrecognisable robot man
dusty tusk
u mean cyborg
cunning ledge
that's what "robot man" means, yes
dusty tusk
yes but cyborg sounds cooler
cunning ledge
not as funny though
cunning ledge
current running theory is null sector
peak escarp
possibly a Null Sector leader
dusty tusk
that would explain the purple on him
peak escarp
some people have also suggested he might be related to Anubis, but I don't think that's likely
Anubis was quarantined by Overwatch a decade ago, and only broke free recently (in Pharah's comic)
so he wouldn't have been free to negotiate terms with Doomfist
dusty tusk
i wonder if hes dps
maybe another sniper
do yall think max will be a hero cuz i think so
actually never mind cuz in stormrising he seemed cowardly
peak escarp
he did
dusty tusk
as soon as got caught "want make a deal"
supple reef
What abilities would he even have
lament prawn
any idea who "noticed" sombra? why is she so determined to find out, if all that happened is they found out her identity? i mean, she upgraded and covered herself after that. perhaps she is just trying to find out about this secret organization that runs the world, but is it to bring them down or to have a taste of world domination herself? i feel the former being far more likely.
"and when i do, ill be the one pulling the strings" hmm, now i dont know
peak escarp
I think Sombra panicked
she figured that only someone/something really powerful could hack her, and anything with that much power would want to control the world
there's a theory I like that whatever saw Sombra was just a passive observer, with no world domination or anything, just observing for the sake of knowledge
also the theory that Sombra's observer and the Shambali's Iris are two different interpretations of the same thing
lament prawn
that would imply that whatever the shambali are empowering/worshipping is sombra's biggest enemy?
but she wasnt the god hacker she is now, she was just hacking on a computer at home. with enough will and determination, anyone would be able to do that, surely it cant just be the major organization.
lament prawn
yeah true
for some reason i never thought her big ego was genuine, always assumed that was her skull icon mask and she actually had some emotions in there
but her only past trauma is struggling after the war and getting noticed, it seems
peak escarp
she doesn't seem like the kind of person who's putting on an act
lament prawn
we also dont know the extent of her being noticed
surely it wasnt just a big red eye icon, thats just simplistic design i feel, perhaps she got a threat of some sort
brazen sail
remember that Zarya and her colleagues know Sombra's real name
peak escarp
not her colleagues
brazen sail
so somehow they figured out who she was and that her name is Olivia
peak escarp
just Zarya
brazen sail
Then how did Zarya learn it?
limpid agate
Its suggested that Alejandra told her
brazen sail
that would make sense
peak escarp
it's not just implied, it's pretty much said
"You think that little girl has information that no hacker in the world has gotten?"
peak escarp
Sombra is from Dorado, the people there know her, and probably know her real name
brazen sail
but she lives in secret
peak escarp
everyone else in town protected her secret
brazen sail
Dorado's a big place though
peak escarp
they could be friends, or Sombra could be a frequent customer, or Alejandra's mother could know her
brazen sail
Sombra is 30 wtf
peak escarp
there's a few ways Alejandra could come to know Sombra's name
brazen sail
i thought she was like 19 or 20 smth
peak escarp
really?
brazen sail
yeah
peak escarp
she doesn't look that young
peak escarp
a lot of the heroes were children during the crisis or were born after the crisis
only Soldier, Reaper, Ana, Reinhardt, Torbjorn, Doomfist, Moira and Roadhog were adults during the crisis
brazen sail
Does Roadhog have any health issues from being around during the destruction of the Omnium
peak escarp
he suffers from radiation poisoning
which is what he needs his canisters for
hogdrogen combats the effects of radiation sickness
brazen sail
ive never gone this indepth in the lore lmao
pliant sparrow
Do we know if he went mad after the radiation poisoning or before?
peak escarp
maybe
cunning ledge
cancer is never mentioned?
peak escarp
but the big cities seem to be fine
Sydney is still normal
so it's likely just the outback
cunning ledge
i wouldn't be completely surprised if nanobiotics is an actual cure for cancer tbh
oh, wait
hang on
nevermind
pliant sparrow
Radiation poisoning often leads to mutations, cancer is a mutation
worthy rose
Hi
Okay so
if overwatch is over...
what is the gameplay of Overwatch? Is that not overwatch?
that sounds confusing
I'm not very invested in the lore of this game btw so the question also might sound ignorant and dumb
peak escarp
gameplay isn't canon
worthy rose
so its overwatch, it just isnt canon?
peak escarp
correct
worthy rose
poor pharah
peak escarp
the voicelines are all hypothetical
worthy rose
yeah a stupid sombra made fun of my pharah for never getting into overwatch
peak escarp
the scenarios don't matter, so you can have Talon heroes and Overwatch heroes on the same team
the only part that is canon are the Archives events
peak escarp
don't do that
worthy rose
I don't throw its okay
I just think the idea of throwing is really funny in a pathetic way
foggy notch
What do u mean by canon?
peak escarp
canon is use to refer to anything official or true or however you want to put it
anything that the writer says is correct
grizzled cipher
ok
worthy rose
Speaking of Roadhog’s dependency on hogdrogen, in the attackers spawn of junkertown he has a gas mask and a tank full of it by his bed
sharp trench
how are lucio and d. va connected to overwatch?
peak escarp
they aren't
worthy rose
Does Roadhog not have any weight related health complications?
somber bridge
I don't think so?
worthy rose
How much food even is there in junkertown? We don’t see any farms but they have a fast food place
agile crow
He may have breathing problems
peak escarp
just because it isn't there doesn't mean it doesn't exist
agile crow
Junkrat isn't wearing a gas mask so the air likely isn't dangerous, it may just be to help him breathe
I always just assumed he was unhealthy and has asthma or somethin
somber bridge
Actually, I don't think he's got health related issues, i think he's just got radiation exposure issues
agile crow
Would that affect breathing?
agile crow
I doubt he wears a gas mask for fun
somber bridge
Roadhog's mask is there probably to provide a fast way of inhaling Hogdrogen
since he just needs to jam the can in the hole
agile crow
Ah that would make sense
worthy rose
Then how is Hammond alive if the air is that dangerous? He only had little lungs
somber bridge
remember, Hammond came AFTER junkertown, not before
junkrat and roadhog were there for the australian radiation incident
the radiation of the outback has probably calmed down since the event
agile crow
Apparently Roadhog is likely of New Zealand Maori decent 😮
somber bridge
he is of new zealander descent
worthy rose
Take Chernobyl as an example. There is still deadly radiation surrounding it longer than the time period from the omnium exploding to present day. I don’t know how powerful and omnium core explosion is but I assume it’s worse, and thus it may still be very dangerous
agile crow
Thats not canon, Littler Jon
peak escarp
there's enough hints that it's likely true, but it hasn't been confirmed
somber bridge
it's borderline
agile crow
I mean there's a lot of hints of a lot of things
somber bridge
@worthy rose chernobyl is a fine example
there are parts of chernobyl which are actually fine to exist in
and you won't get irradiated
agile crow
You can survive in Chernobyl but not for a while
Like, a few years maybe but not a lifetime
worthy rose
True, but they’re living in the CENTER of the omnium.
agile crow
Hammond
worthy rose
Only neurologically
somber bridge
he's a super hamster basically
worthy rose
Physically it was a side effect, not an intentional mutation
somber bridge
picture winston but hamster
agile crow
Yeah he's got to be physically changed, he's big with a long lifespan
worthy rose
They didn’t actively try to make him larger
peak escarp
source?
agile crow
I mean he's 14, dude
peak escarp
hamsters don't just get larger when you make them smarter
somber bridge
Also, hammond is smart enough probably to have a way of countering the irradiation
peak escarp
maybe Wrecking Ball has some shielding that prevents longterm exposure
worthy rose
I can’t send a picture but it’s in his story on PlayOverwatch clearly stated as an unintentional side effect
peak escarp
space capsules generally have radiation shielding
agile crow
Not sending pictures in lore is really frustrating
somber bridge
the other thing is that Junkertown is probably radiation safe
peak escarp
In one of the many experiments carried out at Horizon Lunar Colony, animals were given genetic therapy to assess their adaptation to extended periods of habitation on the moon. As an unexpected side effect, several of them exhibited exceptional growth in physical size and brain function. While most of the test subjects were gorillas or other primates, there were some exceptions, including a hamster named Hammond.
agile crow
How would they make a whole town radiation safe
peak escarp
you can just copy+paste the text
agile crow
ohhh
peak escarp
so both his physical changes and mental changes were an unintended side effect of the genetic therapy
peak escarp
I wonder what were the intended effects of the therapy
worthy rose
Well the goal of the experiment on all animals was to see how they react to extended periods of time in space
peak escarp
if you want the trusted role just be active and helpful, that's what I did
worthy rose
Specifically habitation and brain function
peak escarp
but why do they need genetic therapy to see how they cope with living in space?
somber bridge
therapy was probably to make sure the animals didn't die in space
worthy rose
Mental coping I assume
peak escarp
if you were testing how ordinary animals deal with life in space, wouldn't it make sense not to alter them?
worthy rose
The lore is flawed when it comes to the lunar colony really. My guess is as good as yours
Maybe it’s a chip to monitor brain function in their tests
peak escarp
yeah, I don't think that one was clearly thought out
worthy rose
It’s the only inconsistent piece of lore really
tardy ibex
The only unexplained, don't get the two confused
somber bridge
again, if you're trying to figure out if animals can survive in space, you'd want them NOT to die, wouldn't you?
peak escarp
there's a lot of unexplained parts of the lore
somber bridge
plus, the side effects were unintentional
worthy rose
Off topic, but it’s coming up to new hero season, usually released near the end of June. We got any leads other than that it will most likely be a tank?
worthy rose
I remember them saying something to the effect of they want to focus more on the other roles, can’t remember exactly where I think it was an interview
somber bridge
a tank would be nice
peak escarp
then why not another support?
anyway, there's a few frontrunners for the most likely next hero, but we don't have anything solid yet
the omnic from Storm Rising and Hamid Faisal are the popular ones on this channel
worthy rose
I remember the Hamid discussion
The inbox from storm rising in my eyes would be a null sector leader
peak escarp
I'm leaning more towards the omnic, because we've seen him more recently
worthy rose
Omnic* not inbox
Thanks autocorrect
I can see him using a shield similar to that of the eradicator from uprising
worthy rose
True
somber bridge
and our omnic dude was matching Doomfist in height and build
worthy rose
I’d say the omnic is around the same size as Moira
somber bridge
he's around doomfist's build
peak escarp
maybe the same height, it's hard to tell
peak escarp
but Doomfist doesn't noticeably look up/down to speak to him
somber bridge
so i wouldn't be surprised if he's a minigun tank
worthy rose
I love the idea of maybe 1250 shield health but he doesn’t lose movement speed whilst the shield is up, he has orisa level health and maybe a small amount of mobility, he doesn’t look very stationary but it looks like he could hold his ground from his physical build
peak escarp
gameplay mechanics aren't a topic for this channel
but you can discuss who he might be and what lore possibilities he might bring in
I'm excited to see his plan with Doomfist finally come to fruition
worthy rose
Lore wise if he is related to null sector, he would 100% be a tank due to his role as leader or higher-up in the organisation
Reflected in his gameplay
somber bridge
i wouldn't be surprised if he's considered the "muscle"
peak escarp
why would him being a leader make him a tank?
none of the Talon leaders are tanks
none of the Overwatch leaders are tanks either
they're all damage/support
worthy rose
Brigitte is seen as a squire in the lore, and that’s reflected in her being a supporting role. Most heroes lore tie in to their position and role in the game. So if he is the muscle or a powerful leader, his physical form and background could reflect in his class
peak escarp
so he'd be more likely to be a damage hero
somber bridge
something i noticed
peak escarp
because all the other heroes with a "muscle" or leadership background are damage heroes
worthy rose
We haven’t seen his full body
peak escarp
the Storm Rising omnic looks like he might be a similar model to Zenyatta and other "civilian" omnics, just with extra augmentations
peak escarp
we haven't seen how big he is
somber bridge
the only example we have
is Doomfist talking to him
and based off of that scene
we can make the assumption that he's doomfist sized
somber bridge
exactly
i'd bet on him being a tank, but him being damage or support could also make sense
apparently Doomfist is 7 foot 2
peak escarp
the only one I'd say isn't likely is support
somber bridge
yeah, a 7 foot 2 support seems a bit far fetched
the most hypothetical thing i can see is he's a either another melee focused damage hero
or he's a tank
half pasture
okay I think he's unlikely to be a support, but a super huge support would be hilarious, not gonna lie
sharp trench
yes it would
limpid agate
Rein is 7'4
The largest support hero is Brigitte
Although Moira is also quite tall
sharp trench
7'4 god damn
limpid agate
If you want a big support, they need to be bigger than Brig
frosty shell
I didn't realize that the gorillas/hamsters becoming larger and/or smarter was an unintended effect
I wonder how that happened
It actually does make sense why they would've given them some modifications , because they might've wanted to make them more like humans
And maybe the changes weren't as big at first but the scientists were intrigued and decided to go all the way
timid eagle
Is being 7ft 4in with or WITHOUT the armour?
Because Reinhardt’s height (in his comic and animated short) has been inconsistent.
peak escarp
that's with the armor
timid eagle
Ah. So how tall is he, then?
frosty shell
It also says "genetic therapy to assess their adaptation to space"
So perhaps the genetic modifications allowed the ways in which the animals grew to adjust
They may have wanted to see if genetic therapy on humans could allow humans to grow up in space more easily
Also, it would make sense for Hammond to have a resistance to cancer
Most rodents get cancer pretty fast given that they usually have short lives and never evolved for cancer resistance
The exception is naked mole rats because they have a different lifestyle
Hammond has lived pretty long so he likely has some form of cancer resistance
finite bay
maybe radiation
caused it cause he does have a skin where he is in toxic waste that might make him ammune to caner
limpid agate
The only canon skin is his Junker skin, and even then its just the mech that's canon
timid eagle
Shame, as Hammond with a blue Mohawk is pretty sweet/adorable.
peak escarp
it's probably a reference to Junker Queen, who does have a blue mohawk
somber bridge
his other legendary skin is canon
although, not the mech
only hammond himself
the spacesuit skin has him in a, well, spacesuit
which he's been pictured in canon wearing in the past
worthy rose
I still think how empty Reinhardt's personal life history actually is is a sign of something or the other
We know jack shit about him when it gets down to it
peak escarp
it's not much different from every other hero
we don't know most heroes's personal life history
except Orisa, who we know everything about
limpid agate
the spacesuit skin has him in a, well, spacesuit
which he's been pictured in canon wearing in the past
No it doesnt
This is the space suit from the skin
Here's the basically pyjamas from his origin short
cunning ledge
i wonder if he still has the metal head plate on the junker skins
huh.
definitely not canon then
gusty folio
wait does overwatch have lore?
peak escarp
a lot, actually
pliant sparrow
How tall is bastion?
plush copper
oh nice
teal meadow
@cunning ledge it's most likely a fake hair, but since junkertown people couldn't actully see who was piloting wrecking ball, could be his design is fake
foggy notch
When they said junk was 193cm I stopped believing @cunning ledge
teal meadow
by fake i mean "non canon"
limpid agate
@foggy notch Junkrat is tall. He's just always hunched over in game
Like, really hunched over
You want to see how tall he is, make him lie down
foggy notch
Maybe his broken leg makes him taller
high thunder
does winston actually know hammond?
limpid agate
Also, he looks short compared to Roadhog
Because Roadhog is also huge
@high thunder Yes, they knew each other on the HLC
foggy notch
Then what roadhog is like 230cm?
limpid agate
Winston does not know Hammond is on Earth
high thunder
okay
foggy notch
He'll be a monster!
limpid agate
Roadhog is 2.2m
foggy notch
I dont wanna discuss heights
high thunder
what is hammond even doing
cunning ledge
???
limpid agate
@mystic summit @high thunder Its implied that they both joined Winston's Overwatch, based on the Blizzardworld trailer
But
Its hard to tell how canon that was
The part of Tracer/Winston/Torb/Bastion sitting around watching tv.
high thunder
okay
mystic summit
im just giggling at the thought of torb getting lost in the forest with bastion for years
so much time in isolation that they became mates in some way
peak escarp
years?
Torbjorn found Bastion in the spring after Reflections
so they have been together for a few months at most
mystic summit
doesnt matter, that's enough time for torb to get a little crazy
supple reef
Torb should really slow down, he doesn't need any more kids 😂
high thunder
that was desgustem
timid eagle
But, yeah. I feel Brigitte would get along swimmingly with Bastion. Unsure about Reinhardt, though.
limpid agate
!!wiki Bastion/Quotes
twilit nacelleBOT
For more information about the game, please refer to the wiki: https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Bastion/Quotes
limpid agate
Oh this page wasn't updated
Bastion: *happy beep boop*
As for Reinhardt, I don't think he would be particularily antagonistic
He does have the line ```Reinhardt: (On Eichenwalde) I killed many of your kind here, Bastion.
But at the same time
He was shown protecting an omnic in "We Are Overwatch", and was telling Torb to tone down the anti-omnic stuff in Uprising
worthy rose
were ana and soldier 76 best friends back in the day
valid shell
As best of friends that a CO and his 2IC could be after going through an extinction event of a war together.
peak escarp
Ana, Jack and Gabe were all pretty close
peak escarp
why would they
limpid agate
!!shitposting @worthy rose
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@worthy rose Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
worthy rose
sigh
timid eagle
They were all close. Torb, Rein, ....
vapid zenith
What does Roadhog mean when he says "I'm beached as, bro" in his new voiceline? What did Michael Chu mean by this?
vapid zenith
the more you know. thanks!
sand valley
ecks deey
worthy rose
Whats up with ana and torbjorn? When torb says that they all thought ana is dead, she says: I had to come back, I was worried you'd get bored not being able to stick your nose in my business. What does she mean by this?
foggy notch
Ana was assuming dead when shot by widow
In her scope ofc
That interaction is related to that event
worthy rose
I know that
But what does torb "sticking her nose in her business" does to have with that?
worthy rose
It’s just a casual like joke about why she came back. Like she jokingly thinks torb wouldnt have shit to do without her. Cause remember they’re close friends and war buddies. The line itself isn’t if any major lore significance but a seemingly close friendship
Like “I came back from the dead cause I knew you’d be bored and sad without me” type joking
nocturne horizon
idk if this makes since or not just wondering but what if "Detroit:Become human" is the prequel/alternative to the OW lore
worthy rose
It doesn’t make sense
And it isn’t a prequel or alternative
And the weird ideas you have about it don’t work
cunning ledge
the different concepts of robots in them are completely incompatible
worthy rose
Both have robots or sentient AI in place of oppressed minorities around the world but that literally is the only similarity
pliant sparrow
Detroit’s science is far less advanced than Overwatch’s
nova sky
I have a theory that Winston is actually a gorilla.
limpid agate
!!shitposting @nova sky
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@nova sky Shitposting will result in a loss of access.
hallow vessel
@worthy rose i would say that the junkers are probably opressed, seeing as they are mad/posioned
wooden sail
its an allusion to the middle east
hazy vortex
I guess it's the junkers being a minority is a connection to them being oppressed because they aren't sane
limpid agate
But that's neither true nor relevant
peak escarp
how are the junkers a minority/oppressed?
we don't know how the rest of Australia views them
hazy vortex
I didn't say it I tried to interpret it. Doesn't shoot me for it
limpid agate
!!loreOnly @covert hamlet
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agile crow
To be fair, in history people who are deemed "mad" or "insane" are generally not viewed in a good light, and they do all live in one kinda crappy area
So I can see where they're coming from
little fulcrum
agile crow
?
limpid agate
The Junkers are not an "oppressed minority"
And they are completely unrelated to the middle East, Overwatch version or real
agile crow
Okay I was just saying why I could see their point, besides aren't people allowed to discuss
Oh I wasnt talking about the middle east
limpid agate
They are, but it's still an absurd point
agile crow
My statement had nothing to do with middle east and also thats kinda rude
I was trying to say they likely felt like outcasts or lesser members
limpid agate
Scroll up. Most of the confusion comes from someone making that comparison
agile crow
I know, what I said wasnt related to the middle east part
limpid agate
The middle East part is the part I was saying was absurd
agile crow
I was just kinda like damn yeah they probably feel like a minority/maybe are bc they are poisoned and suffer things that "healthy people" dont have
Ohhh
limpid agate
They're not really a minority any more than, say, how city Americans view Texans.
agile crow
I thought you were calling what I said absurd and I was very confused
It's more akin to how people view people with AIDs, or lepers
agile crow
Duh
agile crow
But a lot of them are suffering radiation poisoning, correct?
limpid agate
So
agile crow
Also I didnt say they were lepers????
Okay so Im saying that it sucks to have that and people probably view them as gross
limpid agate
Not really
agile crow
Im done
limpid agate
I mean
agile crow
You say discussions are allowed and then you shut down anyone with a different opinion
limpid agate
If you can supply some evidence to your opinion it would be nice
But there isn't anything to suggest that in the lore we have
peak escarp
the suit in Going Legit didn't seem bothered by it
agile crow
Okay fine, my bad, christ
limpid agate
Its mostly just Junkrat that people get put off by.
And that's because Junkrat specifically is batshit crazy
He's not representative of the insanity of everyone else.
Most of the Junkers we've seen have a few screws loose if any.
Junkrat never had a screwdriver to begin with
Like, you can have your opinion, but if you're not going to support it with some evidence, I'm going to say its a poor one.
agile crow
Thats fine but you literally just shot me down every chance you got
limpid agate
Ok.
That's because I believe its a poor suggestion that has minimal root.
I'm willing to hear you out if you can supply something to aid your viewpoint
agile crow
You didnt give me a chance so Im not interested anymore, thanks
limpid agate
Ok, moving on.
brazen sail
ok
supple bear
which source stated that Japan filed complaints on Blackwatch activity?
limpid agate
Uprising comic
supple bear
Was the incident where Widow shot Ana in the eye through the scope before or after Gerard was dead?
peak escarp
after
limpid agate
Like, about a year or two after
supple bear
how long was it between when gerard was injured in the Rome explosion to when he was killed?
limpid agate
Less than a year
Its suggested Widow was active by the time of Uprising
Assuming this refers to Gerard
peak escarp
I still can't get over how they just used game screenshots as filler
you can even see the HUD
last inlet
Considering you can easily hide the UI (I've done it on accident), that's just egregious.
Heck, just crop the images, at least
hazy vortex
Lazy Dev syndrome strikes again
teal meadow
i don't get it, what is that image?
hazy vortex
Whatever you want it to be
verbal jewel
Where can I find this image ingame?
cunning ledge
it's from the uprising comic
but it's clearly just a bunch of screenshots of widowmaker scoped in
supple bear
why were the Australians upset when Australia gifted their omnium to the omnic community?
sharp trench
because they fought a big war against them
cloud shard
they also gave the omnics the land surrounding the omnium meaning that it displaced some humans
peak escarp
it would be like if after WWII they gave Poland to Germany anyway
the omnics lost the war, they shouldn't have gotten anything (according to the ALF)
supple bear
around what time did helix's anubis mission take place?
like around the time of which other events
peak escarp
present day
worthy rose
give him the timeline from the gdc
peak escarp
possibly shortly before Recall, because you can hear the newscaster mention a Helix mission taking heavy casualties in the background
most of the comics and shorts happened around the same time as Recall
probably within the same year
supple bear
are zenyatta and mondatta brothers?
if not, is their any familial relationship there?
worthy rose
I mean family not in the human sense
Like they don't run genetics for obvious reasons
but they're "Brothers" in that they are the same nepal monastary
supple bear
ok
also is there a reason they both have the same first name
or is that just a coincidence?
worthy rose
I think it's just a name they pick up cause again same monastery
Tekartha Zenyatta
Tekartha Mondatta
Not a coincidence but maybe just them wanting to show a form of comradery or whatever
peak escarp
it's a title not a name
it comes from "tech" and Siddhartha, the Buddha's birth name
Zenyatta also calls Orisa "my sister", so it's just a monk thing
or maybe the Shambali view all omnics as related, idk
supple bear
when was lucheng interstellar founded
limpid agate
Winston is 29 years old and lived on the moon all his life, as far as we know.
supple bear
is it fair to assume that the deadlock gang was founded after the omnic crisis?
because ashe is was born 39 years ago and the omnic crisis ended 26 years ago
so if she had founded it before the crisis had ended she would've been like 13 years old
and her origin story shows her when she founded it with McCree and 2 others, and i shes def. older than 13 in that pic
peak escarp
it was founded about 22 years ago
limpid agate
Which is post crisis
peak escarp
yes
neat pivot
What do you think next hero will be? Purple omnic, echo, junker queen, something else?
sojourn?
peak escarp
not Echo, Junker Queen or Sojourn
Jeff said they're not on the table for the next hero
somber bridge
I think it's the purple omnic, they make the most sense
worthy rose
With how fresh the character is? Not happening
unkempt trail
He might be fresh in the public's eye, but they might have had him cooking in development for a while now
desert yacht
clues will probably be coming out later this month i think
unless of course the schedule change is changing when they're launching the next hero
safe geode
they have released a hero on every july so far, so yeah unless they changed things up there will be something soon
chilly peak
distant ermine
i have a qustion about hero 31
can it be a healer becouse whe have got babtiste this year
desert yacht
then we might be seeing another tank
7 of both categories
I’m thinking we’ll get a tank then a healer so the number of dps is equal to the combined total of tanks and healers
So far we’ve gotten
Support
DPS
Tank
DPS
Support
Support
Tank
DPS
Support
it’s about time we see a new tank
but Hamid Faisal and Storm Rising Omnic, the two forerunners for the new hero category according to some of the notable lore regulars, don’t really sound like they’d fit the tank archetype
especially the omnic
limpid agate
Why not especially the omnic?
He looks to be about the size of Doomfist and Zarya
@desert yacht
Hamid I can get
The archeologist archetype is usually pretty nimble
Unless he gets an excavator suit for some reason
But I'd think the Predator would be a tank given his size. To me, he's the size of an eradicator.
teal meadow
new comic released
white cobalt
last inlet
Ooh
limpid agate
I'll read this later. Gotta head out now.
Skimming through the images, might add another character to hero 31 speculation.
cobalt marlin
Why does Zenyatta float
last inlet
Seems like it might be more for a skin
Or other cosmetics. Like Bastet
@cobalt marlin we don't know for sure. Lots of speculation but nothing confirmed
austere cosmos
woah
brave crescent
There is a new skin coming out of this new piece of lore. there is a leaked model of it. Though I do wish we'd get some big scale zen lore
north seal
Something about Sombra! Hmm
peak escarp
so we learned:
- Cuerva tracking down Baptiste happened shortly before Recall
- Baptiste worked with Mercy in Venezuela
- Baptiste left Talon 4 years ago
- Mauga is a Talon Heavy Assault (hero 31?)
- Baptiste is still in contact with Sombra
frosty shell
We also have a confirmed Talon mole in Overwatch
frosty shell
yeah
I imagine Gerard must've worked by himself most of the time then if Talon needed to kidnap his wife to get to him
foggy notch
There was a patch like 1.7gb some days ago
high thunder
dont know what that means but ok
foggy notch
Any idea what they r planning to do with it?
peak escarp
the mole is Sainclair
he's former Overwatch, and gave info to Talon before the fall
maybe the patch is for the skin event
like with Bastet
foggy notch
He looks just like baptiste
unkempt trail
That's because it is Baptiste
foggy notch
Then why r u calling him the mole!
unkempt trail
Look up, Doctor Six clearly told you the mole is Sainclair
The image is for the new Baptiste skin that will be released soon-ish
unkempt trail
No no, just a little confusion :D
foggy notch
Yea I got that
But that skin is better than the others
But I still think the spec ops is the best compared to this
So no new hero will be released?
Or new map or anythin other than skins?
unkempt trail
There's still time for announcements, but for now they'll probably want this short story to be the spotlight
foggy notch
Have they released a short story?!
unkempt trail
They sure have
https://t.co/lHyHBnsTSd
here you go
foggy notch
Tnx bud
hallow vessel
just finished reading thr baptisite comic, and oh fuck
civic tapir
Haven't finished, but Mauga new tank?
hallow vessel
probably
hallow vessel
he is descirebed as having two high ammo mini guns, and hard to kill, so likelly he will be basied off the talon Heavy/Assult from the archives games
hallow vessel
also ther is Sinclair and Roseline, they both are unlikely to be heroes but the more the merrier
peak escarp
the world could always use more NPCs
hallow vessel
and Esther who has more chance of being playable but still not much
winter olive
They all have equal chance of being playable
no confirmations on who the next hero is yet
so we just have to speculate
peak escarp
Esther? the teenage OW fangirl?
peak escarp
at least Mauga is a combatant
hallow vessel
he is deffiently comming
winter olive
more than likely, they confirmed next 6 heroes are tanks and supports and that was just after ashe release
winter olive
they confirmed it was tanks and supports as they had just merged offence and defence roles
peak escarp
source?
peak escarp
they're not going to have an equal number of each class
if anything, it will be 1:2:1
winter olive
we will alwasy have more dps than tanks or supports
peak escarp
which they're close to having already
worthy rose
Mauga is just Rein with guns
peak escarp
Mauga is a Talon Heavy Assault
restive flower
is the story better than the last one
timid eagle
Mauga reminds me of Maui. But like an evil, intimidating Maui who’s mind is just as sharp as he is large.
winter olive
if they release him they might go for a ranged off tank, so a dva orisacombo maybe
with a short charge that covers a short distance
timid eagle
So, basically the Talon Heavy Assault Unit from Retribution, but scaled back (somewhat)?
timid eagle
It hasn’t stopped Rein, Brig, or Doomfist. So what’s another charge ability?
winter olive
because they technically gave the talon heavy abilities to BOB
winter olive
check it out, the way BOB acts is similar to the heavy without the huge charge
inmstead having a slam and fling up
teal meadow
what if mauga got his face ruined for the explosion and now he is just like reaper?
timid eagle
Or, he will come out of the water, T2 style, and he is a liquid cyborg?
teal meadow
one thing for sure is that he might become baptiste's nemesi
timid eagle
Oh, yeah. I can already hear that big lug say something along the lines of “Hey, Baptiste. Remember when you tried to blow me up and left me to rot? Good times.”
timid eagle
Well, he does have a nice ass.
restive flower
I'm not sure if I want to continue
timid eagle
I’m only half kidding. It was definitely a weird way to start that story.
It’s otherwise great.
peak escarp
Baptiste is a looker
foggy notch
What do u mean by looker?
clever silo
I had to urban dictionary it also
timid eagle
He’s a handsome 30-something combat medic who oozes with charm.
clever silo
“one who is pleasant to look at, usually used for a young woman.
an attractive person.”
peak escarp
I bet all the ladies (and some of the men) want his number
restive flower
whoa, this is actually set in the present
peak escarp
yep
restive flower
i think. at least it's ahead of baptsite's origin story
peak escarp
I'll have to revise my timeline
foggy notch
I assure u baptiste is gay
peak escarp
I thought Cuerva finding him happened after recall, but it actually happened before
timid eagle
It at least takes place sometime after he killed that Talon squad in his origin video, that much is certain.
Also, it seems he worked with Angela for a time when he was globe trotting.
Hence why he’s asking Sombra to do him a solid.
restive flower
One of the teens against the wall straightened up. “I heard Overwatch is back,” she said.
So after Recall?
