lore-discussion

[opaque ice]

did we just find a way to end goats? No but we found a way to get one step closer

good talk

😄

[worthy rose]

Mhmm

So is there anything lore wise you’d like to know more about?

[opaque ice]

ill think about something because you will most likely know 95% of the lore or more so i will think about something

[spice grove]

can someone tell me what moira's healing pee is made of

[flint briar]

bio-regenerative molecules

[worthy rose]

It’s not pee and there is no real life equivalent for it. If I had to take a guess it’s like mercy’s healing technology but remodified in a different form like the way water can turn into steam or ice.

[spice grove]

ok so she discovered biomedical maybelline

like how aloe vera is good for burns

but why is her work unethical

ok she injected bunnies

big deal

what else does it say

[flint briar]

genetic experiments on people, for one thing

[spice grove]

who tho

she gave herself a nasty ass claw hand

and reaper agreed?

[flint briar]

those two are known. its suggested there are others as well, but i dont recall specifics

[spice grove]

hm

so she might be a colossal bitch or like not really that big of a bitch

like melisandre pre- and post-shireen

[flint briar]

also, she literally saps people's life force, so there is that.

[spice grove]

well i mean

other than being sinister, how is it better than freezing them to death

[worthy rose]

Basically whenever science does stuff, they have a list of rules and guidelines to follow to be ethical and such

[spice grove]

and stabbing them in the eye with an icicle

[worthy rose]

Moira doesnt follow any of that

I guess I would put her akin to like stem cell research and such. People got a morality thing about it

[craggy wharf]

Moira didnt have a double blind test study, therefore her work wasn't recognized by the scientific board and is therefore unethical lol

[worthy rose]

If you don’t know the easiest way to further stem cell research is through the use of fetuses which is a big moral dilemma thing for a lot of people

[spice grove]

lol

but human trials on grown-ass adults is fine

[craggy wharf]

no but seriously there are a whole lot of rules for science and stuff

[worthy rose]

To be fair her methods probably don’t fall in line with the normal scientific way of doing things

Hey man I never said it was a perfect system just providing an example

[spice grove]

yeah but i'm just trying to determine how much of a hoe she is

vaccinate an anti-vaxxer's child type of hoe or burn a child alive type of hoe

[craggy wharf]

probably the 2nd one

[worthy rose]

I mean she basically gives the middle finger to most people and is very apathetic to the trauma of others. She’s really “I’m doing my thing to see how far we can push humanity so dont tell me what to do”

Like her research could be used to further a lot of things I imagine but people have issue with how she obtained it

[spice grove]

i just wish they gave an example like she picked up ppl like in 'venom' and killed them in her experiments

[worthy rose]

Oh naw; I don’t think she did that

[spice grove]

then i'd be able to be like bitch you cray

[worthy rose]

Experiment with live animals? Probably

[spice grove]

but so far it seems like she was just fuck all y'all paperpushers i don't have time for science bureaucracy

[worthy rose]

Moira doesn’t do fucked up shit for the purpose of doing fucked up shit. She just doesn’t wanna be held back by other people.

Basically yea

[craggy wharf]

from Gamepedia: "she published a controversial paper detailing a methodology for creating custom genetic programs that could alter DNA...Many considered her work to be dangerous because of its perceived ethical shortfalls...and [Moira] was acused of having the same unchecked desire for scientific advancement that some believed had caused the Omnic Crisis"

[worthy rose]

She got made a head of Oasis, a fictional technocracy city state in the game that is hella thriving and prosperous as far as we’ e seen.”

[spice grove]

that's what it seems to me but then like why are ppl ewww moira ew bad bitch

like mccree has the cheek to sass her

and he was literally a criminal

[worthy rose]

I think that’s cause to him, Reaper was like a good foster father or sort and he probably knows that he got fucked in the head due to moira’s experiments as well as giving him ghost powers

[craggy wharf]

So they believe that its dangerous because her belief of scientific achievement lines up with what caused the Omnic crisis

[flint briar]

she has made advancements that could help people, but she has been doing it recklessly and dangerously

[worthy rose]

Basically like; she is Sho tucker from FMA brother hood

[flint briar]

not that bad, but kinda similar

[worthy rose]

That type of mindset except none of the family human connection

And just focused on the advancement of science

[craggy wharf]

Here's what I think:
Moira had pure intentions originally. She produced the study about DNA. it was unable to be replicated by others, calling it, and her into question. People dissented, damaged her reputation, then she decided "well if everyone already hates me then why should I play by their rules" so then she started doing insane shit

[worthy rose]

Oh I don’t think that at all

[spice grove]

well my conclusion is that i stan

[worthy rose]

I think moira was always this way and got real annoyed by people telling her what she could and could not be allowed to do

And then proceeded to do her own thing but tweaked the papers she made to fall in line with the scientific community

And that’s why they couldnt be replicated

[spice grove]

i don't like that this isn't actually stated

[flint briar]

overwatch lore can be vague, yea

[worthy rose]

Cause her method was unethical and she couldnt write “yea i messed with some fetuses to learn about stem cell research to help people.”

Not that she actually did that specifically

Just using an example

It’s left vague to let writers have room to write

[flint briar]

indeed.

one of my favorite things about her is that she only works for Talon for 2 reasons: they fund her work, and they dont question it

[worthy rose]

Basically yea

I imagine her work be expensive that Oasis itself can’t fund by itself

Also I assume to keep an eye on Reyes and his condition

[flint briar]

that would make sense, yea

[worthy rose]

Long term scientific study and not a friendship type thing

[flint briar]

indeed. he's an "intriguing specimen" in her eyes

[worthy rose]

Moira do get a lot of flack in the interactions tho

[flint briar]

Mercy openly denounces her methods, but cant denounce the results

at least, she seems at a loss to do so

[worthy rose]

I mean imagine if the cure to cancer was found but to do so would have resulted in 1000 cancer patients dying or so

[flint briar]

exactly

[worthy rose]

There be a lot that like causes an oof and would absolutely disgust normal sensitivity

[errant vessel]

or, maybe mercy can't dismiss her results because she's unwilling to repeat Moira's experiments to prove/disprove her science ?

[flint briar]

perhaps.

[worthy rose]

That too

But I assume Moira’s discoveries have been somewhat implemented in some capacity. The same way that one really brutal nazi doctor research notes and abuse of the human body are used today

They don’t abuse the body but they keep the notes and try to make better use of them

[errant vessel]

Also, the methods can be as important as the results. Yes, Joseph Stalin helped us win WWII, but he's still looked down upon as one of the worst dictators in history because he murdered 10s-100s of millions of his own people.

[flint briar]

she is a good example of the "end justifies the means" mentality.

[worthy rose]

Ah authoritarian dictatorships masking itself as communism

Also yea basically

I hope the PVE game they’re making does more to expand on the lore and story

[craggy wharf]

My theory is that the PVE will be new events moving forward, with the new Overwatch, now brought back together, fighting against the new Omnic threat and Talon. Then all of the old stuff can be in the Archives events.

[worthy rose]

I actually imagine it to be the opposite

I imagine it to start off with the first omnic crisis and the early days of overwatch

Young jack, gabe, rein, ana, torb, and whoever else

[craggy wharf]

hmmm.... maybe. But I feel like that fits Archives better and I dont think they would want to change it, as its their most popular event.

[worthy rose]

We literally havent had an original strike team mission for what is essentially robot world war 1

I’m calling it as that

[spice grove]

(i like how mercy is all like ABER ABER NEIN when she probably wouldn't even have her heilstrahl aktiviert if not for moira's discovery)

(moira is tesla and mercy is edison basically)

[craggy wharf]

I also think that Echo will be somehow involved in the new game, possibly as the new "mission leader" or something to that effect (like Athena). Jeff said that "we have big plans for Echo" at Blizzcon 2018, and they've probably been working on the new game for a year or two already

[spice grove]

(like maybe it would've taken mercy like 15 years to come up with the tech herself and what then no genji no genji's butt, no swiss chocolates, no buy me dinner when this is over)

[craggy wharf]

Let the old events go into Archive, and maybe they can do 2 events a year (as Storm Rising took 6 months), then make the new game "new Overwatch". This would also allow them to use more characters (as there are only a handful that were part of the original Overwatch that actually make sense- Storm rising we played as 3 characters we had already played before)

I get that there's a lot of history and stuff to be explored, but right now the story is moving forward slower than a snail, there's got to be something they can do to push the story forward in a big way

[worthy rose]

New stuff is great but if they havent written that far then just do the original missions

And then progress from there

[craggy wharf]

yea I guess

I dunno, I really hope that its lore and that its good lol

[spice grove]

(also excuse you me, ana wouldn't have her healing either if not for moira)

[worthy rose]

Mercy*

Ana took Mercy’s tech and made it into her sniper

[runic otter]

if overwatch 2 came out they should do like missions for each character

or like stories for each of them

to branch it out more

[worthy rose]

I agree but that’d be weird for characters like hammond who are just wandering around the world

[runic otter]

yeah true

i wish they would have more symmetra lore

[craggy wharf]

Hammond Junkertown fight club duh

[worthy rose]

Hammond left that tho. He literally retired as a champion and is now just wandering the world

How he is doing that with a giant ball with guns and getting through customs I have no idea

[runic otter]

hes touring in his ball

[spice grove]

@worthy rose but mercy's tech is based on moira's

[worthy rose]

Where did you hear that?

[spice grove]

i read it somewhere

i don't remember

like moira published her paper first of all

and like when moira was teased like the two papers in oasis or wherever by dr. and other dr. had very similar titles

so that's kinda the conclusion

[worthy rose]

I’m pretty sure it was the other way around. Moira’s healing stuff is based on mercy’s research and then Repurposed it
!!lorehero moira

[spice grove]

idk if official

[worthy rose]

I really do have to get better at remembering what the specific thing is

[peak escarp]

@spice grove you've got it backwards

Moira's healing came from Mercy's research

not the other way around

Ziegler rose to become the head of surgery at a prominent Swiss hospital before pioneering a breakthrough in the field of applied nanobiology that radically improved the treatment of life-threatening illnesses and injuries. It was this expertise that attracted the attention of Overwatch.

[peak escarp]

Moira was disgraced in the science community because her experiments could not be replicated

which means either a) she lied about the results or b) she lied about the methods

which are both big sins in science

[spice grove]

yeah you found it

that's what i read

but literally that sounds to me like mercy took tech?

although

i guess since it's MOIRA's reveal

he'd be referring to her

but what i don't get is

why did moira have to break rules for quick breakthroughs if mercy like already discovered it

[peak escarp]

Moira's breakthroughs aren't in applied nanobiology

[worthy rose]

It wasn’t in the same areas of research I imagine. Moira is a geneticist

[peak escarp]

her field is genetics

[worthy rose]

So like grey area of common ties but but the same thing

[peak escarp]

her experiment on her arm, what she did to Reyes and the Talon units - all genetics based

[spice grove]

ok so what mercy shoots nanobots out of the staff that repair tissue

[peak escarp]

not nanobots

[spice grove]

and moira does what, shoot natural material

[peak escarp]

nanoparticles

Moira shoots the same thing

same with Ana's healing grenade and ammo, Soldier's biotic field, and probably Baptiste's healing grenades too

[spice grove]

but like

how are some nanoparticles just nano and moira's are nano plus genetics

(i haven't slept in 27 hrs as a disclaimer)

[worthy rose]

Idk dude her fade abilities and life stealing hing might be her genetics showing but the healing itself might just be mercy tech

[peak escarp]

yeah

[spice grove]

no me gusta that explanation

imma e-mail michael chu

and ask mr. chu pls explain

[peak escarp]

good luck

he's very selective about the answers he gives out

[worthy rose]

They screen ppl at blizzcon too when asking questions

[spice grove]

i'll compliment his hair

[peak escarp]

ask him about his favourite ramen place

he usually responds to that

[spice grove]

hmm

[hazy vortex]

So in a nutshell you are complimenting Mr chu to try and loosen him up and then pounce on him with a question.

Good plan

[peak escarp]

I'm sure he doesn't enjoy people constantly badgering him with questions he's not allowed to answer

maybe just treat him like a person?

[spice grove]

i'll do you one better

i'll take him out to his favourite ramen place

and i'll make sure to mention it's no strings attached

should he feel inclined to feed into my moira stanning

that'll be great

if not, not

he gets ramen

and i get i guess whatever else they sell

'cause ramen is ew

[worthy rose]

Real ramen is fine

A bit too light for my palette personally

I mean real ramen made in a japanese restaurant is fine

[cerulean forge]

So does anyone know the significance moira has? Because aside from Reaper's ordeal I can't find much of anything.

[peak escarp]

that is basically her importance

she made Reaper who he is, she's a Talon leader, and she's Minister of Genetics in Oasis

[cerulean forge]

Really? I thought she would have atleast a little more.

although I am talking about overwatch

[peak escarp]

that's not enough for you?

she is also a former Blackwatch member

[cerulean forge]

Well I like character lore to be more than just titles

[peak escarp]

it is more than just titles

[cerulean forge]

Talon leader, Minister of Genetics, Former Blackwatch member.

Those are all titles

[peak escarp]

she was also discredited because the science community couldn't replicate her findings

and her experiments are what gave Reyes his wraith powers

[cerulean forge]

See that's lore

[peak escarp]

that's more than titles

[cerulean forge]

Not "uhhhhhhhhhhhhh oasis, you guys know what oasis is right?"

Going into her science background is lore

I dunno, I guess I'm spoiled from like tf2 and stuff

[peak escarp]

TF2 has lore? the characters don't even have names

[worthy rose]

Oasis is dope dude

It’s a technocracy than I’m wondering if it’s a secret surveillance state

They built a paradise in the middle of a desert just to say fuck you

To the rest of the world that was holding them back

[cunning ledge]

@peak escarp tf2 has an extensive lore

[high thunder]

what if mccree lost his arm in the battle at the swiss hq?

[cunning ledge]

like i'm not even joking it's a real thing but that's not what i'm going to get into right now

[peak escarp]

McCree wasn't present at the battle at the Swiss HQ

he left Overwatch before then

[cunning ledge]

as did genji

which i've seen some people miss

[frosty shell]

As far as we know, only Morrison and Reyes were thought dead at the HQ

[high thunder]

zh k

[cerulean forge]

@peak escarp you've obviously never actually went into the tf2 lore if you don't know they have names

[upper isle]

salut la team!! les bro vous pouvez follow ma chaine twitch sa m'aiderai beaucoup svp https://www.twitch.tv/biboui_
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[peak escarp]

I haven't, I'm just surprised, that's all

[foggy notch]

What is tf2?

[crude lichen]

idk

[foggy notch]

Touching conversation for the fans:
McCree: What's it like Genji? You know... as a cyborg.
Genji: Pain and agony. And what am I? Man or machine?
McCree: Then why did you agree to it?
Genji: I wanted to be able to walk again.

[peak escarp]

further proof that Genji agreed to being cyberized - it wasn't done against his will

[foggy notch]

Yea

And also I found this

Doc u might be interested

Reyes: Am I the only one who feels hungry?Moira: That could be an unforeseen side effect...
Reyes: I was making a joke.

Its during the retribution

And also this one

People were talkin about hanzo the other day

And no he isnt a part of blackwatch or overwatch

Heres the proof

Reyes: You know, your brother would've made a good agent.
Genji: (silence)
Reyes: Touchy subject

[peak escarp]

these are all from Retribution

which came out 2 years ago

[foggy notch]

Oh yea

From retribution interactions

Its funny but I hadnt heard a lot of them

Too busy shooting Talons?

But its obvious that jesse and reyes arent in good companion

[peak escarp]

https://youtu.be/t08aMMVLzi0

[foggy notch]

As in the breaching reyes says no but I can shoot u

And also they r blaming each other over and over

[peak escarp]

McCree is not happy about how things went down, and how out of character this was for Reyes

[foggy notch]

And in the deep mission, reyes is kinda uncomfortable with what he had done

[peak escarp]

a little

but he defends his decision

[foggy notch]

Well apart from that, they r having much more conflicts doc

He must defend it

But inside, he's regretful for what he had done

For conflicts check this out

Reyes: Trust me, Jesse, you should know by now; I won't lead you wrong.
McCree: Like you ever give me a choice...

cCree: Is this who we've become Gabriel?
Reyes: Blackwatch has always had one purpose: To do the real work of keeping the world safe. I thought you had the stomach for it. Looks like I was wrong

Its as if theres no future for them

[peak escarp]

that shows that Reyes likes making plans and sticking to them, with little or no input from anyone else

even McCree, who is basically his 2nd in command

[foggy notch]

But what mccree says in return seems like a word from a prisoner u know what I mean?

As if being forced to do stuff

[peak escarp]

well, he joined Blackwatch under duress

[foggy notch]

Yea I know

[peak escarp]

it was either join or go to jail

[foggy notch]

Anyways these voice lines were really interesting

Also check this out

[peak escarp]

they probably continued to threaten to send him to jail if he didnt behave

[foggy notch]

McCree: This is your fault commander! We had a plan! We could've walked Antonio right out of the city! I didn't sign up for this!

(Rarely)

Reyes: snappyMaintain operational silence, McCree!

[peak escarp]

I think McCree is right to be angry

they went in with a plan, one that would not pose much risk to themselves

instead, Reyes screwed it up and they had to run for their lives

[foggy notch]

But moira takes reyes' side

[teal meadow]

How old is baptiste?

[worthy rose]

36

[worthy rose]

Reyes "screwed up?"

He murdered a dude

A really bad guy, sure

But it was a murder during a hissy fit

[peak escarp]

hissy fit?

[worthy rose]

Exaggeration

But it was definitely impulse

[peak escarp]

yes

[worthy rose]

Guy got underneath his skin

[peak escarp]

it was still Reyes screwing up the operation

[worthy rose]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah

but I feel it really undersells it and why McMeme was pissed to hell

less of an "oopsie" and more of a "wtf dude?"

then again Reyes did feel the consequences of his actions... everyone did...

[peak escarp]

I don't know how "screwing up" sounds like no big deal, but whatever

[sharp trench]

can we get another blackwatch mission next archives event

[peak escarp]

that's a possibility

[sharp trench]

perhaps like

a mission where its reyes, possibly a new hero, genji, and moira

[limpid agate]

Please no

[worthy rose]

I doubt it

The time window of that is so small and would not work

[limpid agate]

I'd rather have the Talon mission

[peak escarp]

I don't think a Talon mission is likely

they've established that these are Overwatch missions

[hasty surge]

Talon tank?

[worthy rose]

Probably either Predator or someone we don't know.

[timid eagle]

I know that they don't have the resources to create an First Strike-style mission with the original team.

But I would love to see that.

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly @timber ravine

[twilit nacelle]

@timber ravine This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[worthy rose]

And i oop

[willow quail]

i MAIN BASTION

evil laugh

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting

[twilit nacelle]

Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[timid eagle]

Anyway....

I think the next PVE mode that they can add is a mission that takes place either during the fall of the Swiss headquarters, or a present day event.

Because most of the missions that have been presented are (for the most part) 'The Fall of Overwatch'.

[worthy rose]

The Egypt affair?

Shimada takedown?

[peak escarp]

that does make sense

it would round off the story arc nicely

afterwards they can shift focus, maybe to a different time period or a different group

[limpid agate]

Assuming we don't get Predator

Next event is probably Null Sector

[timid eagle]

Yeah, that story for Null Sector had, until now, basically fizzled out.

I remember someone had found audio files of unused voice lines for the Null Sector units.

[peak escarp]

they're not unused

the Null Troopers have chatter, it's just hard to hear them over the shooting

same with Talon Troopers

they're usually dead before they can speak

[timid eagle]

It's weird, as I can hear the sound samples from the Talon Troopers, but I can only hear the Null Sector units beepin' and boopin'.

And I recently replayed Uprising, so I know something is up.

[limpid agate]

Its more audible in all heroes

[peak escarp]

it could also be harder to make out the Null Troopers because their voices have so many heavy filters on them

[limpid agate]

Zenyatta/Sombra makes them talk

[timid eagle]

Anyway, where can Null Sector go? Be an affiliate for Talon?

[limpid agate]

But you usually cannot hear over the Bastion/Orisa combo

Its looking that way

[peak escarp]

Predator was setting up an alliance between Null Sector and Talon

which had to be put on hold while Doomfist was in jail

[timid eagle]

Right, that's the temp name for that weird looking Omnic during Storm Rising's final cutscene.

It felt so jarring and made me ask more questions than provide answers.

[peak escarp]

it's quicker than typing out "Storm Rising omnic"

I guess you could abbreviate that to SRO

[timid eagle]

An online friend dub'd him Marley.

[peak escarp]

some people also call him Null Hector

I like Predator though, so that's what I'll stick with until we get his name

[timid eagle]

True, and with that tidbit of the team developing a multitude of different heroes, who knows when he will pop up again.

But I remain optimistic about where the game is going.

[limpid agate]

He is a top candidate for hero 31

The other one I can see is Hamid Faisal, the Petra Archeologist with ties to many other maps and characters

[timid eagle]

There's also Sojourn.

[peak escarp]

not for hero 31

[limpid agate]

Sojourn, Echo, and Junkerqueen are confirmed not hero 31

[peak escarp]

but she's on the list for future heroes

[timid eagle]

Apparently, she's the black woman in this photo? https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/overwatch_gamepedia/thumb/8/8a/Ana_Overwatch_photo.png/800px-Ana_Overwatch_photo.png?version=c6d214cdf69e3b32caeb2b420b1d7c43

[limpid agate]

All 3 are also upcoming heroes

Yes

[timid eagle]

Unless if her design had changed since that artwork was posted, quite the jump from that to her current appearance in Storm Rising.

Though she still is consistent as a cyborg.

[peak escarp]

that photo is from 20 years ago

it's natural that she would look different 6 years ago

[timid eagle]

Of course.

But I never noticed she still had the cybernetic arms and chest cavity.

Even as far back as that.

[limpid agate]

Also worth noting

She was in Recall

And that is closer to her Storm Rising appearance

!!wiki Sojourn

...

[timid eagle]

Good catch.

https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Sojourn

[timid eagle]

Also, her voice actress in Rising is Cherise Boothe. Great actress.

[limpid agate]

Its also notable that her every appearance has robot arms and a popped collar

So those are probably the keys in her silhouette

[peak escarp]

notably, she has the same kind of collar on her jacket as Ana, only hers is flipped up

so when she becomes a hero, I expect she might get an Overwatch uniform like Captain Amari

[timid eagle]

She will probably have the same introspective interactions with Genji and Tracer. Though Winston seemed wary being around her.

[peak escarp]

although since Baptist didn't launch with his Talon skin, maybe hers will be saved for Archives as well

weary = tired
wary = apprehensive

[timid eagle]

Maybe intimidated? (Thank you, btw.)

[peak escarp]

yeah, Winston seemed intimidated by her

[timid eagle]

Which is odd, as she seem pretty chill with Tracer and tried to help Genji get used to his cybernetics.

More so that there were more systems replacing his old set he got around in Retribution.

[peak escarp]

maybe Winston is just slow to adjust to new people

that's why he tries so hard to keep his friends together

[timid eagle]

He's also a 800 pound nerd.

Awkwardness kind of goes hand in hand with the trope of awkward nerd.

[peak escarp]

when he hears that the strike team might get disbanded, his first question is "what will happen to us?"

[timid eagle]

That's true.

Maybe he is the type that struggles with getting used to new faces.

Then there's the whole Reinhardt situation.

I wonder what was that about.

[peak escarp]

it seems like he was responsible for leading the strike team on a mission that went bad (or was maybe doomed from the start)

and they decided he was responsible for the failure

[timid eagle]

It's also Reinhardt, so I have a feeling he step'd out of line for something/went too far with an opinion, which caused Jack more headaches than it's worth.

It could also be something medical.

[peak escarp]

could also be that

someone here had a theory that he was suffering from a mental condition that causes hallucinations and is brought on by too many concussions (frequently seen in football players)

[timid eagle]

Yep, I posted that theory.

And, if it got progressively worse, it would not surprise me Rein would like to go out in a blaze of glory.

Hence why he's been acting increasingly reckless.

I would not be happy if Reinhardt dies and he retorts something similar to Brig (to what Balderich said to a young Reinhardt before he went to town/died against that army of Bastion/OR14 Units) as he perishes in Brig's arms.

[peak escarp]

I would cry buckets if he died

but I expect that if they are going to have anyone die, it will be him

his death would have the biggest emotional impact

[timid eagle]

Yeah, and actually Die-Die. Not "I fake my death" Jack or "I was outplayed by a blueberry" Ana.

[limpid agate]

No one is dying anytime soon

If someone dies, it will most likely be because the VA dies

After that

They might start killing heroes in the story

Might

[timid eagle]

True.

Though I don't know how it will affect the PvsP part of the game if, say, Reinhardt dies.

[limpid agate]

They won't delete the hero

They'll just be canonically dead

[timid eagle]

That's fair.

[worthy rose]

I don't think anyone is going to die.

Not only is it unwise to do that during a growing game of personality and people who cling to chars like they're lifestyles, I highly doubt they'd let any single one die from their own attachment.

Arguably, the lore isn't exactly what draws people, but the game and how well they make people love the characters is a heavy selling point for many people. It's the fun stuff.

"He died canonically today oops" is something you approach cautiously.

[peak escarp]

it's definitely not something they'd do lightly

but they have said the possibility is there

[tardy ferry]

Already promised that playable heroes would not be removed due to their death in the story

But much more likely to kill off not playable characters than the playable ones.

And definitely not likely to kill off cute animals.

There had been replacement of VA already, though usually in non-english one.

And yes, for those who remember, Mercy.

So VA problem is not necessarily a reason for character death.

On lore though, the most likely character with a Death Flag is Rein.

But even that would be something a looong time down the road, and would not happen in the near future.

Currently for the newest part of the timeline (not flashbacks) we are still at the newverwatch assemble stage.

[foggy notch]

@peak escarp funny thing about blackwatch is as if no one is on the same page and yet they were a team

Check this

Tracer: Must be hard for us to gather intel with Blackwatch sidelined.
Genji: I wouldn't know.
Tracer: Don't you talk to your old teammates?Genji: No.
Tracer: You talk to us though.
Mercy: He likes us better

[desert yacht]

i like that exchange

one of my favorites from the event

[foggy notch]

And the talkings indicate that blavkwatch is still in power

Cause they have provided intel on max

But Genji isn't a part blackwatch anymore

And also it seems that genji's skin in Storm Rising is brand new back in the day and he's getting used to it

The one Genji keeps talking to is Mercy, I mean he only starts a conversation with her saying that she saved her.

And thats one of the first missions of Winston

Wanted to share these with u

I forgot this one, reinhardt had been recently retired from overwatch just a lil bit before Storm rising

[desert yacht]

yeah i know mercy and tracer had an exchange about it, how he was taking it roughly and how tracer should visit him

[foggy notch]

And it seemed like Sojurn had something to do withit

[desert yacht]

i'm pretty sure i've heard all of the exchanges some too many from how much i played that event

really?

i didn't get that impression

maybe

[foggy notch]

Tracer: What do you think of Sojourn? Change of pace from Reinhardt, isn't she?
Winston: I feel a little nervous around her, like she might do something terrible to me if I let her down.
Tracer: I like her though.
Sojourn: Just so you know, the line is open.
Winston: It's been an honour serving with you all.
Sojourn: Noted.

I mean winston is nervous around her, why would he be?

[somber bridge]

perhaps Sojourn is also a team tank?

[craggy wharf]

Winston probably is just a little scared of change. I think it probably takes time for him to get to trust people, that or shes actually a talon agent lol

[worthy rose]

I think she’s normal

She’s been with Overwatch for a very long time

[craggy wharf]

yeah I doubt they would do another double agent type thing lol

[worthy rose]

Also she’s not a tank

Tanks have a very specific size and I guess shape of sorts where they are big and bulky

Best case she’s a support but likely a dps

[craggy wharf]

Unless she has a mech-type thing maybe

i dunno

[worthy rose]

I mean I doubt it. From what we have seen of her she is modified like genji is

[craggy wharf]

well we know shes not the next hero and the next hero is 99.9% going to be a tank so Ig she is probably either a DPS or support, I hope support

[somber bridge]

Hammond. and D.Va both definitely disprove that rule of "tanks be big"

[craggy wharf]

yeah

[somber bridge]

since, by themselves, D.Va and Hammond are fuckin tiny

[craggy wharf]

honestly in terms of next tanks or stuff what if they just release the other 4 Mechs... Just be like "Oh yeah, you know how we had 6 heroes in development, 4 of them were the other Mechs"

that' be dope

[somber bridge]

Also, we can most definitely have two heroes filling the same role released one after another

[craggy wharf]

we could, but I dont think thats happened yet?

[somber bridge]

gimme a sec i have to google how to spell her name

Brigitte

[worthy rose]

Have you seen their models?

[craggy wharf]

I think it would be more likely for their next heroes to be Tank-Support-Tank-Support-Tank-Support-DPS

[worthy rose]

Their huge

[craggy wharf]

they already have their models lol

[worthy rose]

The tanks are the entire character mechs included

[somber bridge]

Brigitte was released after Moira was

[craggy wharf]

oh true

[somber bridge]

Yeah, but when you look at the character portraits of a character it ONLY shows their face kaeore

[worthy rose]

The confirmed upcoming heroes are Sojourn, Echo, and omnic predator man

[craggy wharf]

and none of them will be hero 31

[worthy rose]

Still has their mechs which are both large and bulky

[craggy wharf]

Papa Jeff said so several times

[somber bridge]

So, Sojourn being a tank doesn't have to come off in her character portrait, which is ALL we've technically seen so far

[craggy wharf]

If they're playable characters they're likely to be playable in OW2 tbh

[worthy rose]

I don’t recall him saying that about omnic predator man

[somber bridge]

who's omnic predator man?

i missed that

oh

[craggy wharf]

oh no true, nothing about Omnic Null Sector guy

[somber bridge]

storm rising dude?

[worthy rose]

The guy at the end of storm rising

[somber bridge]

yee

[craggy wharf]

yeah the guy at the end of storm rising who looks like hes from Null Sector

[worthy rose]

I don’t think he’s from null sector

[craggy wharf]

whats his alliance then?

[somber bridge]

I believe the scientific term is called "big fucking robot"

I'm pretty sure he's just a giant fuckin omnic

[craggy wharf]

ah yes tank you

[somber bridge]

and honestly, he looks dope

[craggy wharf]

ok need to go take a final will be back in a bit, really enjoy this channel and y'all tho, I dont get to discuss lore like this often

[somber bridge]

you also forgot

Junkertown Queen

who apparently ALSO has a mech

who's ready for Junkertown Queen with BOB 2: electric boogaloo

[worthy rose]

Like genuinely I dont. Besides a similar color scheme there isnt much else to go on.

My reasoning is that he’s an egyptian omnic and if you read the lore of anubis, it’s a shit show being heavily affected by the omnic crisis and left in a state of poverty. Their omnic human relations are in the air tho but his people could be just the poor or potentially oppressed omnics in egypt. I’m not outright denying that he isn’t null sector but we need more a bit more proof than a color scheme and a line about oppressed people that could apply to more than just omnics but I digress

Also yea junkerqueen is also confirmed iirc that she is an upcoming hero or they at the very least have plans for her

[somber bridge]

oh

there is an AI in OW lore called Anubis

soooo, giant robot dude COULD be Anubis

and whilst Anubis was killed in lore

[worthy rose]

Wat

[somber bridge]

he could've lived on through giant robot dude

[worthy rose]

Not possible

Mainly cause anubis was shut down in the pharah comic and before that was inactive. After it turned back on it’s immediate goal was to basically destroy humanity

It was shut down by Original Overwatch

[somber bridge]

well

[worthy rose]

Then restarted only in the pharah comic

[somber bridge]

Anubis is associated with the Afterlife

so I wouldn't be surprised if robot Anubis somehow cheats death

Zenyatta's still the coolest omnic though

[worthy rose]

I think it was just a fitting name cause it is in egypt and they stationed it in what does genuinely look like a crypt than anything else or it could be the fact that he tried to kill everything

Like how Athena is called Athena being the goddess of wisdom and winston’s personal AI who basically tells him stuff like he needs to exercise and such

[somber bridge]

exactly

i wouldn't be surprised if names in OW lore actually have purpose

Athena being athena, etc

[worthy rose]

I think it’s just fitting

“What do we call an AI that kills people and is based in egypt?”

Death

Egypt

=

Anubis

[somber bridge]

yeah i guess so

other thing i'd like to see

chuck me a map on that omnic colossus

[worthy rose]

What are you talking about

The only titan class omnics we’ve seen are the one in the opening cinematic and the big gwishin that dva fights

[somber bridge]

exactly that

a map on the giant robot that MEKA was made to fight? hell yeah, so much to work with there

honestly, a lot of lore left to be added to the game

[worthy rose]

I don’t think that’d be in overwatch. At least not this one. Potentially in the upcoming Overwatch PVE game but definitely not for archives

I mean yea

It was basically described as the setting up stage

Think MCU

We are still in phase 1

[somber bridge]

pretty much

[worthy rose]

It only feels longer cause I think people have a faster expectation for video games I guess

[somber bridge]

also, you can definitely make it a map for sure. You could make a dope KOTH map out of a giant omnic

[worthy rose]

I really don’t think so. Mainly cause that would imply the world never picked it up and removed it from wherever it was. Bastion units are one thing in an abandoned town

A giant titan omnic with weapons

Bigger than a bullet

[somber bridge]

ehhh, moving a giant robot that size isn't easy

[worthy rose]

In the middle of a city or beach coast

Naw

Yea but thats why you dismantle it

You ain’t gonna leave mecha godzilla in the middle of LA

You gonna scrap it and go from there

[somber bridge]

dismantling something that size would take forever

you could legit stage the map in the middle of dismantling

[worthy rose]

We are literally playing a game that takes place in the future with flying cars and actual mech suits and you think the hardest thing to do would be to dismantle a giant robot

[somber bridge]

not necessarily the hardest

much rather the longest

it's a robot of that size

[worthy rose]

I don’t really think so because you are not just build highways around a giant omnic that would have destroyed the city and you sure as heck aint gonna just leave it there.

[somber bridge]

not necessarily LEAVE it there, as much as haven't FULLY dismantled it yet

think of it like a building in tokyo

[worthy rose]

Truth be told I’m kinda expecting a DVA story line where we play mecha and fight the giant omnic

[somber bridge]

you can't blow it up and be done with it

you have to take it all down from top to bottom

[worthy rose]

I really dont think we’re gonna fight on a giant dead omnic. But we probs will eventually fight the gwishin as the Meka force in the upcoming PVE game whenever the heck it starts

[somber bridge]

yeah

next archives probably

still, we'd need more giant korean robot for that

[snow flint]

where is liao tho is he gonna be next hero?

[worthy rose]

Honestly we have no damn idea

They was mentioned as being important and then we never hear of them ever again

So ideally yea they should be the upcoming hero but we doubt it

[unborn pond]

it isnt true

[craggy wharf]

I think at this point, Liao is one of two things:
A) Scrapped entirely, idk maybe they decided they werent needed and went in another direction with the story
B) OW story team has saved them for a big reveal at some point

[snow flint]

or is junkerqueen coming up?

[craggy wharf]

I think Papa Jeff said Junkerqueen isnt 31 either

At this point I think hes said more about what characters 31 WONT be than stuff about what 31 WILL be

It isn't Echo, Sojourn, or Junkerqueen (Or Jetpack Cat) (From what jeff said)

[worthy rose]

They’re up and coming but I suspect the main reason why they arent out yet is because of gameplay reasons and needs

I’m pretty sure they said they were working on soujourn much longer than baptiste but baptiste came out first due to a gameplay need

They said they create heroes for a couple of reasons.

1. Game play need so like think esports scene I guess. Characters like brigitte to counter dive and baptiste to supposedly enhance bunker against goats
2. Cool character design. Literally the main reason Ashe got made cause the team saw her design and was like “Yes we need to make this a hero”
3. Story reason. Moira to show a bad healer of sorts. Sombra for a wider view of the world as well as a better look at Talon and such. And probably soujourn and echo

[craggy wharf]

yeah I understand that, I'm literally just repeating what Jeff said about Hero 31 so we can try to keep that in mind when theorizing about the next hero

[hasty surge]

I find it a possibility that jeff would pull an entirely new hero from scratch

[worthy rose]

I mean yea but that does a lot of issues

Hammond was a massive issue and apparently half the devs were entirely against it and the other half was entirely for

Cause why would you put a hampster into a space colony of primates

And game design wise he’s fun but doesn’t fit into a comp well and in fact had his own comp made where he fits best in

[craggy wharf]

I mean, the last 2 have been entirely new heroes from scratch with only a teaser/animation before (Ashe/Baptiste)

Before that was Hammond/Brig (2 that WERE hinted at)

[worthy rose]

Was brig hinted at?

Just cause she shows up in the story I don’t think that should include being hinted at

That’d be like saying Maxi is the next hero cause he was a focus in storm rising

[peak escarp]

Brigitte was featured in Honor and Glory, which was the last short before she was released

Hammond was released just after Horizon Lunar Colony got a rework that opened up Hammond's room

I'd say those count as hints

[craggy wharf]

yeah

[peak escarp]

also, an interesting observation - aside from 2016 which only had 2 releases, every year has seen the release of one of each class

2016: support, damage
2017: tank, damage, support
2018: support, tank, damage

[craggy wharf]

they did claim that they would be sticking to more Tanks and Support moving forward tho iirc

[worthy rose]

Brigitte being featured didn’t strike me as a hint.

Hints are more subtle that lead you to a conclusion. Like the changes to the horizon lunar base, the bedroom beside winston’s, the wall with the posters and mech fighting. Those were hints and teasers. Brig being in a short for a brief moment I dont think counts as a hint

[peak escarp]

it wasn't that brief

she was the one trying to tell Reinhardt not to go back

[worthy rose]

She was there a couple seconds teling him back but most of that short was about reinhardt and why he had to do what he did and go back

[craggy wharf]

I think I define hint as "previously shown/referenced"

[worthy rose]

The short could have not had her entirely with the overwatch coin in hand with winston’s recall playing in the background and it wouldn’t have changed much

[peak escarp]

if her absence wouldn't have changed much, then she was put there intentionally as a hint

[worthy rose]

So if Maxi was made into a playable character; you’d consider what we have so far to be hinted

[peak escarp]

yes

[craggy wharf]

ya

[worthy rose]

She was put there to be his side kick lie in the don quixote story that rein is based off of

[craggy wharf]

its more obvious than a usual hint, sure, but he was shown to be in the story previously so ya

[peak escarp]

a hint isn't just "previously shown/referenced" - it's "shown/referenced immediately before release"

that's why Hamid is such a strong contender

and the Storm Rising omnic

they were referenced most recently

the only reason Max isn't on everyone's list is because he seemed like such a pushover in the event

[craggy wharf]

plus his character is much more of just a money guy instead of a fighter

[worthy rose]

Mei is literally just a climatologist

Zen is a robot monk

Neither of which strike me as fighter

[craggy wharf]

fair

[peak escarp]

the difference with them is that we've already seen them as heroes in the game

[worthy rose]

Yea I know but the argument is “he cant be a hero cause he just a money guy and not a fighter” and then I presented two examples of not your traditional fighter/combatant characters

I’m not saying he is or isn’t going to be part of the game as a character but it’s a matter of a sound logic and reasoning behind it

Just wondering but have we received any new lore about oasis in the past year?

[peak escarp]

none that I can think of

[worthy rose]

Cause last year iirc was more about junkertown and the horizon lunar colony

Just wondering if they have like “we wanna focus on these areas” type thing when it comes to maps and such

You think we ever gonna get any lore for hollywood?

[peak escarp]

probably not

[peak escarp]

if you knew nothing else about Mei, would you guess that she could be a potential hero after seeing her in Rise and Shine?

I would

(I can't ask the same about Zenyatta because we haven't seen him in the lore yet)

[worthy rose]

No

[peak escarp]

https://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Hamid_Faisal

[hazy vortex]

Is it possible that Hamid could find something about the origin of the omnics in petra and I could motivate him to fight?

When did we find out all this lore about petra?

[cunning ledge]

with the release of the map Petra

[peak escarp]

it's sprinkled around the map on laptops/tablets

[hazy vortex]

Ok

[cunning ledge]

i wonder if the wiki lists the talon connection as canon

huh it doesn't

i guess it's not confirmed at all

[hazy vortex]

Have we observed any map changes recently that could be clues to the next hero?

[peak escarp]

nothing recently

[cunning ledge]

last map update i want to say was the havana poster?

[hazy vortex]

What happened to it?

[peak escarp]

the Havana poster was added to Numbani airport a few weeks before Archives

[hazy vortex]

Yeah so nothing significant

[peak escarp]

but it was an early hint at the next map

I take a peek at the maps every so often, but so far nothing new

some map changes don't lead to anything - like Ana's wanted poster showing up on Anubis

[foggy notch]

What does the number 25 mean on genji's silver skin?

[cunning ledge]

Probably nothing, like most other random numbers on character models

[desert hawk]

What is the Petra map? Wt is it important?

[peak escarp]

archaeologists from Oasis are digging up relics

there's possibly a Talon connection, since statues appear on Talon-related maps

[blissful sparrow]

Also, by the way, does anybody actually know what is Junkrat's treasure, even if it's it/not his.

[peak escarp]

nope

it hasn't been revealed yet

[blissful sparrow]

Probably Jeff will show us the "treasure" (even if it's one) in Overwatch 2 as it may be story based.

[peak escarp]

maybe

[valid shell]

This whole "X doesn't look like a fighter" thing has always confused me.

[worthy rose]

Do you expect your local veterinarian to also be a trained combatant to use idk a shotgun that shoots out tranquilizer darts?

[teal meadow]

you people really belivee overwatch 2 is gonna be a thing?

[valid shell]

This sure doesn't look like a fighter.

[worthy rose]

Overwatch 2 is just a placeholder name, it’s been rumored by highly credible sources that it will be a PVE game

[teal meadow]

it's a rumor

a leak

there are dozens of it on reddit

[valid shell]

That's what Kaeore said.

It's been rumored.

[teal meadow]

you can't expect it to be real

[valid shell]

You've both said the same thing.

Why is there contention here.

[peak escarp]

it's a leak from a somewhat credible source

also the Blizzard president said they wanted to expand the Overwatch franchise

[teal meadow]

Sure, and what's the credible source?

definetly not blizzard itself

[peak escarp]

so another Overwatch game will happen sooner or later

[worthy rose]

I think it was a game journalist who went into the game as well as former employees who left recently

[peak escarp]

the credible source is a Kotaku reporter who has reported on other things that later turned out to be true

[worthy rose]

That specifically worked in Overwatch

[teal meadow]

"an employee who left recently confirmed (insert fake news)*

[valid shell]

Did you bring this up to discuss it and it's lore implications? Or just to argue?

[teal meadow]

we're talking about this "lore game"

[valid shell]

We are. You're not.

[worthy rose]

^

[teal meadow]

overwatch 2 is supposed to be one so...

[valid shell]

Please take it to #general-discussion if you just wanna gossip about Blizzard. It has nothing to do with Overwatch lore.

[worthy rose]

^

[teal meadow]

"overwatch 2" it's supposed to be a "lore game", how is it not connected to this channel?

[valid shell]

Because you don't want to discuss lore. You just want to tell people they're wrong to believe it.

[worthy rose]

Because you are not bringing up any actual lore specifically. You’re bringing up that you think overwatch 2 won’t be real cause it hasn’t been confirmed yet by the company itself despite a game reporter who is mostly credible and former employees telling people the news

[valid shell]

Something something fake news, as you said.

[half pasture]

because "this is a credible source" vs "no sources are credible all is rumors" isn't actually a lore discussion

[teal meadow]

@worthy rose a game reporter? how original, there are thousands of leaks like that for every games.

but ok...

[valid shell]

Just stop.

[worthy rose]

Yea but this is credible. Lots of stuff are but if a source has proven credible then I say believe it. And you clearly dont wanna discuss lore so move your ass to general fam. If you wanna talk about lore or have questions then hey we welcome you to but if you wanna just talk as if it wont be real despite the sources being literal ex employees and a proven credible reporter then hey that’s your issue

[teal meadow]

not my fault you belive of everything in the internet, fam

[worthy rose]

Not my fault you don’t have anything worthwhile to say other than apparently suspect everything so get your ass to general

[teal meadow]

why? they are talking about their stuff. they didn't bring up ow 2

you guys did so..

[worthy rose]

You are bringing it up here which doesnt have to do anything with the lore. Your ass brought up OW 2 being fake without any reason for it but hey man enjoy being stubbornly in here

[teal meadow]

you people literally talked about it earlier, so stfu with your asshole attitude, lad

[peak escarp]

someone suggested OW2 might provide more information

that's it

[foggy notch]

I agree with edgy about attitude though

Cause they r lots of blocked messages for me here

Wonder who could that be..

[half pasture]

Is that helpful in any way

[peak escarp]

we should get back on topic

[foggy notch]

For me yea

Cause I know everyone has problems with a single dude

[teal meadow]

i don't want to keep the conversation, but i don't know what or who are you talking about

[timid eagle]

Regardless of what will be revealed, so long as it's fun, I'm down.

[high thunder]

this might seem dumb, but are the overwatch and heroes of the storm shorts canon (especially the genji and dva one)

[worthy rose]

No

It’s just a fun collab but not actual canon

[high thunder]

k

[iron plume]

imma ask you to refrain from the shitposting
as of the picture in Ana's origin, Mercy is 17 and Pharah is 12

but neither of them are in Overwatch yet

[high thunder]

k then

i'll delete that

[sudden tiger]

Make sym gay for Winston

[worthy rose]

I would warn for shitposting

[peak escarp]

!!shitposting @sudden tiger

[twilit nacelle]

@sudden tiger Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[sudden tiger]

Wh

I said they should

I'm serious

[limpid agate]

Final warning

[sudden tiger]

OK uhh

[peak escarp]

there's so many things wrong with that I don't even know where to start

[sudden tiger]

Why is being gay and trans bad

[peak escarp]

it's not

[sudden tiger]

Then why is it plural

[limpid agate]

Moving swiftly onwards.

[foggy notch]

Question

Is tracer's accent real of fake

I heard some english dude on qp tellin me she is total fake

No one speaks like that

[worthy rose]

Cara is Tracer’s VA who is also English. In england there are many different types of english accents and she was doing a specific one that wasnt native to her own

[cunning ledge]

if they're gonna have one english character from london, she's gonna sound like that

i can confirm not everyone actually sounds like that, obviously

[worthy rose]

He probably blocked me so he cant see the message

But I digress

[peak escarp]

her accent is exaggerated

[worthy rose]

Different region of the Uk have different accents

[peak escarp]

but it's Tracer's actual accent, she's not faking an accent in canon

[cunning ledge]

scottish hero when tbh

[peak escarp]

only if they wear a kilt

[cunning ledge]

why are you saying that like you're not serious

[peak escarp]

tbh we have enough European representation

[cunning ledge]

scottish hero with a giant claymore sword pls blizzard

yeah i guess

[peak escarp]

we need more S. Amerca or Oceania

and South/Southeast Asian

[foggy notch]

We have lucio

[peak escarp]

and that's it

we have Tracer, Moira, Brigitte, Reinhardt, Mercy, Torbjorn for Europe

[foggy notch]

We have ash mccree for na

[peak escarp]

McCree, Ashe, Reaper and Soldier for N. Amerca
Genji, Hanzo and D.Va for East Asia

[foggy notch]

Well doc europe contains lot more countries than na

[peak escarp]

so does South America

yet they only have one hero

[foggy notch]

Not as much as europe though

What about africa?

Doomfist

Except doomfist

[limpid agate]

Ana/Pharah/Doomfist/Orisa

[foggy notch]

It wouldve been fun if mei was from north pole

Or south pole

Antarctica

[peak escarp]

nobody lives at the South Pole permanently

[cunning ledge]

like, born on the north pole?

[foggy notch]

Orisa is a robot

[limpid agate]

That doesn't make sense

[peak escarp]

Orisa is still from Africa

[foggy notch]

But its a robot

[cunning ledge]

that's a pretty optimistic view of future polar exploration

[peak escarp]

and?

omnics are people in the Overwatch universe

[foggy notch]

Well that doesnt count

[peak escarp]

so why shouldn't they count?

[foggy notch]

Hmmm

[cunning ledge]

this is literally the plot of uprising god dammit guys

have you learnt nothing

[foggy notch]

What about bastion?

[peak escarp]

and if they don't count as people, they still have a place of origin, like electronics and cars

[foggy notch]

Hmmm well if u look at it that way

[peak escarp]

we don't know where Bastion was built, but it was deployed in Germany so most people count it as European

[foggy notch]

I was counting humans only

Not even winston!

[peak escarp]

racist

[foggy notch]

And people do liveon south pole

[peak escarp]

😛

[foggy notch]

Ice bergs

[peak escarp]

I meant that there aren't any people native to the South Pole

so you can't really be from there

[foggy notch]

I guess there is

People live there

And maybe some were born there

[peak escarp]

maybe

but it's all science research stations, so that's unlikely

[limpid agate]

There is no colony there

[foggy notch]

Its not always cold blizzard and stuff

Small amount of people

Like one or two family

In ice bergs

Ive seen the documentaries

Im sure

Not a whole city though

[peak escarp]

Antarctica, the southernmost continent and site of the South Pole, is a virtually uninhabited, ice-covered landmass.

[foggy notch]

What about north pole?

[peak escarp]

the North Pole has no land

[foggy notch]

Hmmm maybe it was siberia..

[peak escarp]

it's just an ice shelf

[foggy notch]

Are phara and ana connected?

[valid shell]

?

[foggy notch]

Maybe served in the same base?

[valid shell]

They're mother and daughter.

[foggy notch]

Cause they r both Egyptian

Damn I didnt know

🤔 🤔

[valid shell]

LOL

[peak escarp]

really?

[foggy notch]

I was never interested

So yea

[peak escarp]

well, now you know

[foggy notch]

Do we know her father?

[peak escarp]

his name is Sam

[foggy notch]

Is he in the plot?

Like in overwatch?

[peak escarp]

he's a First Nations Canadian from the west coast of Canada

no, he's not important

[foggy notch]

Hmmm ok

[foggy notch]

So hes not from canada

[peak escarp]

this spray features Sam and Ana with newborn Pharah

he is from Canada

[foggy notch]

Why is heblack then

[peak escarp]

he's not black

[iron plume]

that's not

what

[peak escarp]

he's First Nations

[foggy notch]

I have to look that up

[valid shell]

?

You've never heard of Native Americans?

[foggy notch]

Ive heard of those

Actually im not from us so cultural differences

[peak escarp]

in Canada, we call the native inhabitants of the land First Nations people

[foggy notch]

And what uve learnt in school differs from mine

[peak escarp]

there are 634 recognized nations of First Nations peoples in Canada

[foggy notch]

Hmmm are they related to the indians?

[peak escarp]

Sam is likely from either the Haida or Coast Salish nation

in America they would call them Indians, Native Americans or American Indians

[foggy notch]

Oh now I get it

Tnx

[peak escarp]

and I think some of our government documents still call them Indians, but it's very un PC to call them that now

the correct term is First Nations, or whatever specific nation they're from

[foggy notch]

Ok I'll keep that in mind

So how did they meet?

Ana and sam?

Pretty far

Canada and egypt

[peak escarp]

we don't know much

Sam is a public servant, meaning he probably works in government

he could have been a Canadian ambassador stationed in Egypt

[foggy notch]

Could have

But pharah serves the egypt military right?

[peak escarp]

we know very little about Sam, aside from the facts that he's from the Pacific Northwest and that he's a public servant

yes, Pharah was in the military

but currently she works for Helix Security International, a private security firm

[foggy notch]

Related to overwatch?

[peak escarp]

she always wanted to join Overwatch, but never got the invite (possibly because Ana didn't want her to join)

[foggy notch]

That's weird

[peak escarp]

Helix does almost the same job as Overwatch did

[foggy notch]

Is it still intact?

Or disbanded like ow?

[peak escarp]

it's still in business

they were the ones managing Doomfist's prison

[foggy notch]

And he escaped..

Just by punching the wall right

?

Well I learned a lot today thank u all

[limpid agate]

Moving on from that

Something tangically related to Overwatch but in line with what I was expecting from "Overwatch 2"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh6-UB7SAtM

Is something like this

To me it looks like Rainbow Six has beaten Overwatch to the punch

[finite bay]

yeah i also heard about overwatch 2 but all i know is that it is a story mode

[limpid agate]

THat's speculation

No one knows what it is or if it even is "Overwatch 2"

[peak escarp]

it's really just a rumor at this point

[limpid agate]

"Overwatch 2" itself is a misleading headline

[finite bay]

oh right

forgot bout that part

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me-box-of-shame-peek-look-embarrassed-gif-3954733

[unreal girder]

I recently watched the Mei origin story and it’s so sad...

[calm patio]

Why is it sad

[unreal girder]

Have you even seen it?

[finite bay]

it is all her work mates die

in a ice cold death

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-ice-squidward-spongebob-gif-3574058

[valid shell]

@finite bay Please stop posting le epic reaction gifs.

That isn't what this channel is for.

[finite bay]

ok

[unreal girder]

I know but I love snowball

[sudden tiger]

Where did Mei the the solar panels from in the short

If they had solar panels why did the building run our of power

[peak escarp]

it's hard to collect solar power in a snowstorm

[sudden tiger]

Yeah but after the storm why did the building lose power if they had solar panels

[peak escarp]

the solar panels Mei uses look pretty small

probably not enough to power a whole base

and the storm lasted for a long time

[sudden tiger]

But where did she get the from

[peak escarp]

they were probably in storage

for use with portable computers or other equipment

[sudden tiger]

Hmm maybe

I guess

?

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly @worthy rose

[twilit nacelle]

@worthy rose This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[nocturne narwhal]

hm

[grand dagger]

did you know tracer is gay

[valid shell]

Yes.

Anything else?

[tardy ibex]

I could be revising English but revising overwatch lore is more fun.

More than happy to clear up problems

[peak escarp]

!!loreonly @opaque walrus

[twilit nacelle]

@opaque walrus This channel is for serious discussion strictly related to the lore of Overwatch. Shitposting will result in a loss of access.

[grand dagger]

!loreonly @peak escarp

[peak escarp]

yes? I have been talking about the lore

[wet anvil]

is there anyway to prevoke a ban for an hour and a half?

My wifi went out during a compet match

tuff

[hazy vortex]

By the time it's sorted out you'd probably be of the ban

[onyx knot]

Do you think they will release a movie ?

animated movie

[peak escarp]

maybe someday

but not anytime soon

for now they'll just have the shorts

[open stirrup]

ok

[onyx knot]

Last short to come out was 7 months ago if they do short I think they should bring 1 out every month of something they are really good could watch them all day

[peak escarp]

shorts take about a year to produce

that's why we only get 2 per year

[onyx knot]

Really a year ?

[peak escarp]

something like that

animation is hard

and rendering takes a long time

at last year's Blizzcon, they said that the lines for Reunion were recorded in August 2017

[onyx knot]

That’s insane

[peak escarp]

and the voice actors had to keep quiet about the characters since then

[onyx knot]

Crazy that it takes that long for 7 minutes vid

[peak escarp]

a feature-length movie would take years to develop

Pixar movies take between 4-7 years

6-8 months of that is actually making the models and sets, and doing the animation

the rest is rendering

since Overwatch shorts are 6-10 minutes long, their rendering time is much shorter, but the animation process takes about the same amount of time

[spiral yarrow]

^ that has actually nothing to do with the lore tbh

[peak escarp]

I was discussing the logistics of creating Overwatch shorts

how does that have nothing to do with the lore?

[valid shell]

Animated features can take super long to make.

Like Redline.

Or The Thief and the Cobbler.

[foggy notch]

Thats interesting, like a short 5~10min animation consumes that much time

But it wouldve been better if any shorts would continue one part of the story

Unless shorts werent meant to be toward the story

[foggy notch]

Any reasons torb is against the omincs?

[teal meadow]

he just hates them because they are not people

he is basically what we call racist

but thowards omnics

[worthy rose]

He hates the idea of sentient robots. A lot of my computer engineering friends say that computers don’t do anything unless programmed to. He helped make the bastion units before the first omnic crisis began so he has a bit of guilt especially since his creation led to the most bloody and brutal war in the overwatch history

If you look at torb in game with his turret, there’s affection there

But him with most of the omnics is seemingly hostile even in the bastion torb comic. He sees bastion and decides to move it to safety even though his initial plan is to destroy it

[agile crow]

I see there's a lot of people with prosthetic limbs in Overwatch, were any of them born like that?

[peak escarp]

not that we know of

[devout sable]

@teal meadow bigoted, the word is bigoted

why do people try to use "racist" on stuff that doesn't concern race

seriously

[teal meadow]

as i said it's "what we call"

[agile crow]

Are the Omnics not a race of robots?

I'm pretty sure not every robot is Omnic, therefore racist could be the right term